1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcood Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: My guest today is Stue bergere host of the Stu 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Does America Show and co host of the Glenn Beck Program. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: So nice to have you on. 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Stew Carol, thanks so much for having me. This is great. 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: I am a longtime fan. I think you are really 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: smart and very funny. I was just telling you before 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: we started rolling that I love when you and Glenn 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: back were babies and you were explaining some urban, you know, 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: story to Glenn. It was hilarious. I watch it whenever 11 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm having a bad day. It was great. It was 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: some great slang in there that you had to explain 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: to Glenn as babies. It was perfect. 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: Yes, so we were able to do that. 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: We're very prepared with the chubby cheeks as well, already 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: kind of in place, so we didn't even need the 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: AI for that stuff. 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Thank you, and I'm a fan as well. 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: I love the stuff that you do, love your your 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: writing and all the broken over the years. 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: So thanks so much for having me on. 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: Thank you. So did you always want to be in media. 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: From a pretty young age? Yes, I really kind of 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: fell in love with radio. It started out with sports, 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: and you know, I was a big fan of you know, 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: a big New York sports fan and listened to WFA 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 3: N and New. 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: York, which was the first sports radio station. 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: And I was, you know, an obsessive fan, like listen 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: to every show all the time, and you know, to 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: the extent that you know, with my friends, we you know, 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 3: get the cassette recorder, we get around the TV. 33 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: We you know, do the play by play of the 34 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: NBA games. 35 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: And at first I wanted to do that, and it 36 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 3: kind of grew into a love for sports talk radio, 37 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: and eventually kind of grew into an idea of doing 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: entertainment around news, right, like doing something that like wasn't 39 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: the boring stuff that I feel like I heard when 40 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: it was when when I heard news talked about when 41 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: I was younger, you know, you're talking about I don't know, 42 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: tort reform and tax rates or whatever. 43 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: To do something that was also the most boring way possible. 44 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, exactly. 45 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: I mean I will say I do talk a lot 46 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: about tax rates and tort reform now, but I try 47 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: to do it as in a little bit more entertaining way. 48 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: Sometimes only sometimes as an infant. 49 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: So how did you get your big break? What was 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: the start of the journey for you? 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know, it was after interestingly, after high school. 52 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: You know, I was trying to get into the business, 53 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: and you know, you do. I dabbled here and there 54 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: trying to get started, and wound up moving back to 55 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: my hometown or my hometown area and heard an advertisement 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: for a promotions job. You know this, this is the 57 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: job where you go in and you the high end 58 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: of it is you're hanging balloons around car Dealerships's amazing. 59 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, it was highly Do you have the arrow 60 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: that you like? We did? 61 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: Don't make fun, Carol. We did have a prize wheel. 62 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: We had yep, we had that. 63 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: Did you ever leave that job? That's sounds like chill. 64 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 2: I tried to stay. 65 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: Uh And that one they actually shockingly did pay me for. 66 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 3: I think it was like five dollars an hour, six 67 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: dollars an hour, just slightly above minimum wage at the time. 68 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: And of course, as everybody who worked in that type 69 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: of job, like you, were trying to move around and 70 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: move up in in in the in this in the 71 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: radio station was it was a radio station called Casey 72 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: one to one in new Haven, Connecticut. Coincidentally, the morning 73 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: show host of Casey one to one in new Haven, 74 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 3: Connecticut was a man named Glenn Beck, who yeah, who 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: actually at that time was well known within the industry 76 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: for being a very successful morning show host on on 77 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: like an FM music station. Right like he was playing pop. 78 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: He was playing Britney Spears, you know, CD. 79 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: Was playing Britney Spears CD. 80 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I have tapes, Carol, I can break up. I 81 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: get them to you if you want to break a 82 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: big story. 83 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Why have you not given these tapes to anybody before? 84 00:03:59,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: How did you. 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: So? 86 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: He was and at that point he had gone through 87 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: a very successful career in huge markets and made lots 88 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: and lots of money. And he would even admit to 89 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: this when I met him. His entire career was in 90 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: a state of utter collapse. He had gone through and 91 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 3: he'd gone through a divorce, he had gone through alcoholism. 92 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: His career was really sort of tanking, and he was 93 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: at the lowest point of his career. But that was 94 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: the perfect time pick you up. I can't improve most 95 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: people's lives, Glenn, but yes, exactly. And it goes to 96 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: a place where one day we were at a car dealership. 97 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: It was a Toyota dealership. 98 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: He was doing commercials for it, and we had an 99 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: event where the listeners are all going to come out 100 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: and meet their their favorite host. And I kid you not, Carol. 101 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 3: Literally zero people showed up for this event. 102 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: Zero. There was nobody there. 103 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 3: So then it's just me and him and Glenn, who 104 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 3: was just at this point just trying to kill time 105 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: to get through this event he has to do. Starts 106 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: asking me questions, what do you want to do, and 107 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: what are your interests? 108 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: Why are you here? Why are you working at this job? 109 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 2: And I think you know that type of job, Carol. 110 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: It's like the typical person is there to like to 111 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: go to concerts, you know, get on the air, make jokes, 112 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: you know, yeah. 113 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. 114 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 3: And I you know, I had come from I had 115 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: lived in Florida earlier and listened to a station called 116 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: w IOD in Miami, and they had this really entertaining thing. 117 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: They'd be talking about the news the day. They had 118 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: really funny people on, really aggressive. It was in your face. 119 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: It was just I loved it when I lived there, 120 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: and I wanted to get into talk radio. 121 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: And at that age, I'm twenty years old. 122 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: Very few people want to do that, right, And Glenn 123 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: coincidentally was on that same path kind of around that 124 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: same time. He really cares about radio, really cares about 125 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: the industry, and was like, hey, here's a young person 126 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: who actually has some you know, energy and wants to 127 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: do news. And yeah, I was in the I really 128 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 3: wanted to do it, so I'm like, I'll do anything. 129 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: I'll come in overnight, so I'll do whatever you want. 130 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: And that's kind of how it started. 131 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Wow, hard work really works. 132 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: I was told well then that socialism kicked in and 133 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: luckily they paid me for nothing. 134 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: No, no, it's not how it works. 135 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: Actually, you have to you have to you know, work 136 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: hard and and and luckily have you know, be fortunate 137 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: to run into someone like, you know, Glenn in my case, 138 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: certainly be a great voice too. 139 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: Like I don't think you can give Glenn all the 140 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: credit and then nobody showing up to his event. You 141 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: have a real good voice. 142 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that. 143 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: What would you have done instead? What would a plan 144 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: B have looked like for you? 145 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: Gosh, you know, it was pretty early in my life 146 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 3: when I decided I wanted to get into specifically radio, 147 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 3: and radio as you know, you know, turns into podcasting 148 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: and TV and writing and all these other things. Now, 149 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: I was kind of happy to hide and never be seen, 150 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 3: frankly until everything got on the internet. 151 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: But I you know, it's an interesting thing. 152 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: I think my one of the things I really always 153 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: loved doing was working with numbers. You know, I'm sort 154 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: of a numbers geek. You know, I was the you know, 155 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: I was the kid who would I would create my 156 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 3: own sports leagues and have spreadsheets of all the play 157 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: of the fake players, and you know, so I think, honestly, 158 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 3: that's probably you go where the demand is and nobody 159 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: likes numbers, So I think I probably would have come 160 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: up with some you know, I don't know it was 161 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: investment advisor or accountant or something, probably honestly in a 162 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 3: world like that, because I do like working with numbers, 163 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: and I like sitting in front of spreadsheets for endless hours. 164 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: It's funny, it sounds like a nightmare. 165 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: To most people. 166 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Actually sounds too terrible. I had billionaire cliff Asnas on 167 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: the show, and he said, basically got into his career 168 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: because nobody likes math, and he liked math, So. 169 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: For that plan beuse, I would be begging Cliff for 170 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: a job. Is where I would be if I wasn't 171 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: in a stupid radio right now? 172 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: Do you feel like everybody because you said, you know, 173 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: radio leads to other things like writing and whatever. I 174 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: think most people we started as writers and now everybody 175 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: kind of has to have a podcast. Do you feel 176 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: like we're all just invading your space? Or ybody has 177 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: to have at least one. I have two podcasts, so 178 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: you know. 179 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: I know you have two podcasts, and everyone has at 180 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: least one, so I have to yeah, so. 181 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: Yes, please nobody want to read? It is hard? 182 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: It is hard now, I mean because I know when 183 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: I started with Glenn, I wasn't on the air really 184 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: at all. It was as a exclusively a producer role 185 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: when I started, other than occasionally chiming in on something. 186 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: And really where I started when it came to doing 187 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: this and being able to form my own voice as 188 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: a commentator was through writing. 189 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: I mean I did. 190 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: I was Glenn's head writer for years and years and 191 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: years and years, and I wrote a lot for him. 192 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: I helped him write his books, you know, I helped 193 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 3: him write like monologues and things like speeches that he 194 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 3: would do, and that really helped me formulate a way 195 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: to work through whatever ideas I did have. You know, 196 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: it's not almost natural when you're talking about communication and 197 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: like drawing out a story. I mean, I know by 198 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: reading your stuff it's like it is. It's not just hey, 199 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: here are my thoughts and you're just vomiting them out. 200 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: If you do that on radio or a podcast, you 201 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: might be able to hold onto a podcast, but you're 202 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: never going to be able to build a large audience 203 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: unless you know how to tell stories. And there's nobody 204 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: better than Glenn at that. I mean, he's in the 205 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 3: Radio Hall of Fame for a reason, and it's his storytelling. 206 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: You know, all those people who didn't show up to 207 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: the dealership, they really missed out that day. 208 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: They missed out. 209 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: I mean, he would tell you the work he was 210 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: doing at that particular period was not Radio Hall of 211 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: Fame worthy, but he went on to do great things, 212 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: and I think you're right. It winds up being this 213 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: world where you have to try to reach everybody everywhere. Now, yeah, 214 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: and I always I remember I listened to Rush Limbaugh 215 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 3: a lot when I was in that period before when 216 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: I was first learning and understanding that I wanted to 217 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: do talk radio, and I listened to Rush like everybody 218 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: did back then. 219 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: And one of the things I always. 220 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: Grew jealous of when it came to Rush Limbaugh's he 221 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 3: was the last guy who was able to do it 222 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: exactly the way. 223 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: He wanted to do it. 224 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: He wanted to do radio, he wanted to come out, 225 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: he wanted to do his show three hours a day, 226 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: and he would tell you what he believed was important 227 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: in the way he wanted to do it, and then 228 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 3: he would be done, and you go. 229 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: Home and he'd read, and he'd research, and you do 230 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: all those things. 231 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 3: But he didn't have to tweet fifty tears a day, right, 232 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: he didn't have to do five different podcasts. Like he 233 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: was the last real person who had so much power 234 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: and so much gravitas. 235 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: He didn't have to do that stuff. Of course we 236 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: have to today, right. 237 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: It's kind of Yeah, it sucks because you can't just 238 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: do this. You have to promote it. You have to 239 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: go out there and have people read you elsewhere. And yeah, 240 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: it's it's all. It's too much. It's too much. I 241 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: don't know. I might be done with this now. Just kidding. 242 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: Well, I read your stuff all the time, but reading 243 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: you on Twitter. 244 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm a writer. I consider myself a writer. 245 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed doing this and I think I do something 246 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: a little bit different here, but I still am a writer, 247 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: and everything kind of points towards that. So you know, 248 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: I get it. I get you being like, everybody, get 249 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: out of my space, because what are we all doing here? Yeah? 250 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: I know, come on. 251 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: It's fascinating though, because being in this industry for a 252 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: while before all of this started, you really like you 253 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: understand how this stuff has changed society. You know, in radio, 254 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: you know it's a joke and everyone they're lovable, but 255 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: everybody in radio is insane, like you. To get into 256 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: a business like that, you have to be crazy, and 257 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 3: that goes from the hosts to the engineers to the 258 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 3: executives in the most lovable way possible. 259 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: We're all insane. 260 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: And part of that has to go with you live 261 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: your life sort of just mining it for materials, right, 262 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: Like you're always going through life, and I know as 263 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: a writer you feel the same way. You go into 264 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: a restaurant and you have an interaction with a waiter 265 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: that tells you something interesting. It's Yeah, it's not just 266 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: a conversation. It's going to, you know, be in your 267 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: next column or in your next show. And I feel 268 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: like what we've done with the podcast and particularly social 269 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: media is we've turned everybody into a broadcaster. We've turned 270 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: everybody into a column writer. Everyone is mining their lives 271 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: constantly for material, and I think that's at least part 272 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: of the reason everyone's going insane. So much of it 273 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: is performative, and I don't know that that's healthy for everybody. 274 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: We should leave that with the crazy people that we 275 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: wanted to go into radio and writing. 276 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think that we know too 277 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: much about each other, Like we can't know every single 278 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: random opinion you have, which we do, and you could 279 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I hated you because you said that thing, 280 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: and it's too much. 281 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true. That's true. 282 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: What are you most proud of in your life? 283 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: I'm most proud of my life. That's a really interesting question. 284 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: I think I could give you this. I certainly am 285 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: proud of my kids and my family and all those 286 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 3: boring true answers. 287 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: When it comes to when it. 288 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: Comes to all of this, when it comes to doing 289 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: media and thinking about politics and all those different things. 290 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: I think probably I'm most proud of my attempts at 291 00:12:55,280 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: making all of my judgments and decisions and and points 292 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: on issues. I try to really do that independently from 293 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: everything going on. You know, a lot of times you 294 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: have these there's these big movements, everyone's going this way, 295 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: everyone says this is the thing. Yeah, And I try 296 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 3: to pull myself out of that all the time, and 297 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: it's not always easy. 298 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: And in fact, I don't know if you're the same way. 299 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: I suspect you are maybe in some sense, Carol, But 300 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: like I sometimes have to guard myself from just being contrarian, right, 301 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: Like my instinct is to see everyone going in one 302 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: way and be like, no, the other way, yeah, And 303 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: so I try to pull myself out of that as well. 304 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: Like I remember when Breaking Bad was on TV and 305 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 3: everyone was raving about it, and I'm like, come another 306 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: one of the Like I was just constantly no, no, no, no, 307 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 3: would not watch it, and then one day, I don't know, 308 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: I was on a plane or something and started watching it. 309 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: I was like, this is incredible. Like I just missed 310 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 3: out on the first three seasons of Buzz on the 311 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: show out of that sort of inner contrarian, so trying 312 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: to avoid being contrarian, but really pull yourself out and 313 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: look at it what's going on, and think about what 314 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: is actually true. I'm always on that search of what's 315 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: actually true rather than what the party believes today, or 316 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: what the president said or what the president didn't say 317 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: or whatever. So much of I think people's opinions these 318 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: days are controlled by what they're against or what everyone 319 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: they lay like is for. And I really try to 320 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: pull myself out out of that, even if it annoys 321 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: the audience at times, and I think they appreciate it. 322 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: I think they appreciated it. 323 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 3: When you're writing as well, it's like you want to 324 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: have someone who's going to say, look, I know they're 325 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: saying this, but this part's true this time right, And 326 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: that's what I want out of a show that I 327 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: listened to. 328 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: I agree, you know, but how good does it feel 329 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: when you're a contrarian and you're right? If you hadn't 330 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: liked freaking bad, that would have been so much fun. 331 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: You know. I didn't like the movie shash Ank Redemption, 332 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: and I tweet about that like once a year. Once 333 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: a year, my followers get to hear how shosh Ank 334 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: Redemption is actually a bad movie. 335 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: That's great. I had the same thing with the Bob biopic. 336 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: That just I didn't see it. Yeah. I love Bob Dylan, 337 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: and a. 338 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: Lot of people do. 339 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say he's my favorite, but I know a 340 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: lot of people do, and he's certainly a legend and 341 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: should have a really good movie about his life. 342 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: That wasn't it. 343 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: I don't even Timothy Shallome was fine in the movie. 344 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: The problem with the movie is number one, what's interesting 345 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: apparently about Bob Dylan's persona is that he just underplays everything. 346 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: You know, some serious situations going on. He's like, I'm 347 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: gonna go over there and write and that's it, and 348 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: that's the So that's all he did. He didn't do anything, 349 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: and then nothing apparently happened to Bob Dylan in his life. 350 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: Carol. Yeah, the biggest. 351 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: Controversy in this movie is some people wanted him to 352 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: continue playing acoustic and he was like, I'm gonna start 353 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: playing an electric That. 354 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: Was it, right? Yeah, Yeah, I heard that was a 355 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: big deal. Dylan going electric is like the boomers still 356 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: talk about it, so they do. 357 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 3: I just don't feel like he didn't need two hours. 358 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 3: It's like a short film. Con would have been fine, 359 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: I think for that one. But yeah, so I do 360 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 3: apreciate it, and I like Shashank, but I like the 361 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: people who will come out and say, Nope, it wasn't good. 362 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. 363 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: That's right once a year. Just look for that tweet. 364 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: I will, I will, I will. Even though I like Shoshank, 365 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: I will like the tweet when I see it. 366 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Carol, I promise we're going to take a quick break 367 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show. Give 368 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: us a five year out prediction. It could be about anything, 369 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, the country, the world, music, anything. 370 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: All right, let me give let me, let me give 371 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: you this one because some people are talking about this, 372 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: but I'm pretty aggressive on it. I think in the 373 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: next five years we are going to wipe out the 374 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: last twenty five years of the increase in obesity. 375 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's a good one. 376 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: I think it's we're going to make incredible progress. 377 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: And then and I think it's the GLP ones are 378 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: the thing that gets a lot of a lot of attention, 379 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: and I think that's a huge part of it. But 380 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: I think also the Maha stuff is another part of it. 381 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: People really thinking about their health differently. And if you 382 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,959 Speaker 3: think about that type of difference, I could come up 383 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: with a lot of really negative things to say, and 384 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 3: I say them all the time, but like as a positive, 385 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: if we can get that under control and have a 386 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: massive reduction in that, the improvement in our health overall 387 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: is going to be massively impactful to the world, to 388 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: our politics, to really everything. I mean, people living longer 389 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: and enjoying their life better. I think that would be massive. 390 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: Now. 391 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: I think we're going to rethink a lot of the 392 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 3: ways that we you know, when it comes to medicine 393 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: and health and how all that stuff works together. I 394 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 3: like Peter Attia quite a bit. You wrote a book 395 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: called Outlive, which talks about longevity in a way that 396 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: I think is really effective. I think a lot of 397 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: good things are coming that way. Now, we'll probably light 398 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: ourselves on fire in our politics and none of it 399 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 3: will matter. But if we last for five more years, 400 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: I think we'll be a little thinner. 401 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: That's big. 402 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 403 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: Look, you know, I have to say I was a 404 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: little irolly about Maha and about RFK juniors such a 405 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: lib like I just wasn't into it at all, but 406 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: I've been kind of impressed with the things that they've 407 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: been doing since he's been in there, And it's the 408 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: one that I kind of say that was where I 409 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: was probably most wrong in this last campaign. I think 410 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: I was really thinking that this guy was, you know, 411 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: climate change warrior who was never going to change his stripes. 412 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: But he he's been very pleasantly surprising, and I agree 413 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: with you. I think it's going to be huge that 414 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: people are going to be thinner. I already see the 415 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: people who are on GLP ones. They're they're moving more, 416 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: they're posting workout videos like it's it is making other changes. 417 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. 418 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 3: I mean even to the point of, you know, people 419 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: losing gambling addictions and alcohol things that are totally unrelated 420 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: to weight, right. 421 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: Something I didn't hear about that. What does it do? 422 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they think, you. 423 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: Know, again, it's still new, and I understand some people 424 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: have skepticism over any new drug. That's you have to 425 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 3: always say that, but like, I think, you know it 426 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 3: it not only goes after they think it goes after 427 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: Addiction centers. One of the things, if you you know, 428 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: there's people who are overweight oftentimes just have that sort 429 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: of food noise going on all the time, like, oh gosh, 430 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: there's in a Claire over there, I. 431 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: Got to eat this a Claire. 432 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: I'm so hungry. Claire got to eat the Claire. And 433 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: this seems to go after those those centers where whatever 434 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: that thing is, you know, whether it's you know, biting 435 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: your fingernails or you know, you know, wanting to constantly 436 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: gamble or you know, all these things. Drugs interesting, seems 437 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: to show even improvements there, not to mention things like 438 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 3: you know, even Alzheimer's and of course the things associated 439 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 3: directly with weight, you know, the diabetes and heart conditions. 440 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: So I think we're on the vergess of some really 441 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: massive improvements as far as that goes. And and I'm 442 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: with you honestly on the RFK Junior stuff, Like I 443 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 3: still at some level remain skeptical of him individually. I'm 444 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: not I would not say I'm a fan. You know, 445 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: climate was a big part of that for me as well. 446 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 3: Oh luckily he's not in control of that. But I 447 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: see that I saw that bubbling up, all that stuff 448 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: bubbling up before RFK. 449 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: It wasn't It's not just a one guy thing. 450 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: I think that's something where people are trying to get 451 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: back to thinking a little bit more carefully about what 452 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: they put in their bodies. I think COVID, I know 453 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: you've written extensively about this. I think that whole era 454 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: emphasized that quite a bit. And now there's these things 455 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: that might aid people and actually getting it done. It's 456 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: not just hey, will power yourself through it, which is 457 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 3: difficult for a lot of people. I think it's hey, 458 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: you know, we have these things. Some of these are medications, 459 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 3: some of these are just lifestyle changes. Some of this 460 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: is exercise. I mean, you know, you know Peter Artia 461 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: talks about this in his book. It's like the best 462 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: drug being not a drug, but exercise. Right, people doing 463 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 3: these things. I think there's real hope here. So I'll 464 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: give you one optimistic one for five. 465 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: I love that. I love it. So that is so optimistic, 466 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: people living longer, living healthier, Like, what could be better 467 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: than that? I have loved this conversation. You are smart 468 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: and hilarious and I really enjoy speaking. To leave us 469 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: here with your best tip for my listeners on how 470 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: they can improve their lives. 471 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: You probably have a million of these that are like 472 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 2: really high level, and then big. 473 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: Some people that are like, you know, get your car 474 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: cleaned like anything. 475 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: Let me give you one little one that I learned 476 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: myself as a parent growing up. You know, you're, of 477 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: course go through life, you have kids, and you're in 478 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: a busy time, right, Like, fundamentally, when you have children, 479 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: you're in maybe your busiest time. 480 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: You're thinking about your career, thinking about everything else. 481 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 3: And as you have little kids and they start to 482 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: look at you and talk and I you know, a 483 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: lot of times you're distracted, right You're on your phone, 484 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: you're doing different things, you're thinking about work, you're thinking 485 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: about all those other things, and a million different times 486 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: when you're at the peak moment of being distracted and 487 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: thinking about real life adult things, your kid is going 488 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: to come to you and say, in my case, daddy, 489 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: and they will say, Daddy, what. And all I can 490 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: say about that is every single time that happens to you, 491 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: look at them, stop what you're doing, watch, and most importantly, 492 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: when they're done, they're going to look at you and 493 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: make sure you're looking. 494 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 2: At them in the eyes. When that happens. 495 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: I love that. 496 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really think you know, my connection with my kids, 497 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 3: I swear is based strengthen so much by that. I 498 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: always tried to do that because they would do something. 499 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: They'd roll on the ground, or they'd throw something the 500 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 3: air and catch it or whatever it was, and in 501 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: their mind it's the most amazing thing, and all they 502 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: want to do is share it with you. 503 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: And if you're looking at your phone in that moment, 504 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: you're letting yourself down. You're letting them down, and you're 505 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: really doing yourself a disservice. So I would say, just 506 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: try to do that one thing. 507 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: Stu. I love that he is Stuper Gear. Check him 508 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: out at Studa's America and on the Glenn Back Program. 509 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on to do this. 510 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: Was great. 511 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 2: Thank you Carol. This is awesome.