Speaker 1: It is Thursday, May Night.
Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy Hour is brought
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Speaker 1: And now a guy.
Speaker 2: Who married his wife for her looks just not the
Speaker 2: ones he's been getting lately.
Speaker 3: Brian Sexton. That's for sure, because her birthday was last weekend.
Speaker 3: Yet Mother's Days this weekend and our anniversary is the
Speaker 3: week after. You want to talk about pressure, right, but
Speaker 3: how do you how do you do that?
Speaker 1: Can you bundle gifts? Listen?
Speaker 3: I did last year because it was our twenty fifth
Speaker 3: wedding anniversary. Happy birthday, Jen, Yeah, yeah, we went to Croatia.
Speaker 1: Listen.
Speaker 3: I can't do that again this year. Once is enough, everybody.
Speaker 3: Brian Sexton in for JP Shadwick. You know the dulcent
Speaker 3: tones of Jeff Logoman. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm I'm really good. And what I'm excited
Speaker 1: about also is this time of year football is starting
Speaker 1: to crank up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Just it just gives you the teas though, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's all you know. Look, the schedule coming
Speaker 1: out what next week I think is when the schedule's
Speaker 1: anticipated on Wednesdays, what they're talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: teams last week had their rookie men in camp. The
Speaker 1: Jaguars Rookie Minute Camp starts tomorrow, so so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be nice too. Also, the OTAs are going to
Speaker 1: be getting started after the Rookie minutie.
Speaker 3: So how much do you get out of it? Let's
Speaker 3: go with rookie minicamp first. Because Kai asked me on
Speaker 3: jag Zam the other day, what do you expect to
Speaker 3: get out of this weekend? I said nothing.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get a ton, you know. I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be on the field about an hour
Speaker 1: each day, maybe a little over an hour. And I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to have the numbers that they
Speaker 1: had in the past, right, So how much do you learn?
Speaker 1: Not a whole lot. But the one thing that you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to do is you're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to look at the athleticism of the players that
Speaker 1: they've got. Beyond that, there's not a whole lot.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I've done this a long time. I
Speaker 3: don't know what to look for, but you look at
Speaker 3: it through a completely different lens. So let's start with
Speaker 3: we didn't.
Speaker 1: Have a rookie minicamp. By the way, when I got drafted.
Speaker 3: No, you just went right to training camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now we had we had a mandatory mini
Speaker 1: camp typically every team had won. If you had a
Speaker 1: new head coach, then you were allowed to have two
Speaker 1: even back into that early era, but there was no
Speaker 1: such thing as a rookie minicamp. I mean, the first
Speaker 1: time that I met every one of my teammates was
Speaker 1: at the mandatory mini camp, which typically was held right
Speaker 1: at or soon after the draft. And then that we
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of what there is today, which
Speaker 1: is the OTAs and those things. They didn't start until that.
Speaker 3: Came in post Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 1: Right, he was the change, the creation of Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 1: which he started doing it when he went to Dallas
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3: And then uh college guy coming in changing the dynamic.
Speaker 1: Trying to bring some of that college stuff into the pros.
Speaker 1: And then when he started to have success, then everybody
Speaker 1: in the league wanted to do that, but they started
Speaker 1: to regulate it, and then they put a app on
Speaker 1: a number and all that kind of stuff to what
Speaker 1: it is today.
Speaker 3: All right, So let's back up one more step before
Speaker 3: we talk about individuals and what you might be looking at,
Speaker 3: what do you expect from a rookie mini camp. But
Speaker 3: remember twenty fifteen, incomes Dante Fowler, right the third pick
Speaker 3: of the draft. He had been training, like all of
Speaker 3: these guys training, and all you're doing is running forties
Speaker 3: in three cone drills and explosive movements so that you
Speaker 3: can jump high and turn fast. And he he towards
Speaker 3: ACL in a non contact moment in a pass rush.
Speaker 1: Year and it wasn't a practice that was extremely challenging
Speaker 1: from a conditioning standpoint.
Speaker 3: There's warm to that day, really warm.
Speaker 1: And totally wrong approach in my opinion, because you got
Speaker 1: to remember that a lot of these guys that you're
Speaker 1: bringing in right now, they were training for the Combine.
Speaker 1: They were training for all these drills with coaches. They
Speaker 1: weren't training to do football. And so there's got to
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a period where you'd say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: let's just get them back in the football shape and
Speaker 1: let's not just come in and try to kick their
Speaker 1: rear ends and say, hey, you're going in the NFL now,
Speaker 1: and anything less than being in great shade, then it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work, is it.
Speaker 3: Not a tough guy sport anymore. That's the old school approach,
Speaker 3: you know, look as a caveman approach. Yes, and now
Speaker 3: it's a scientific approach totally.
Speaker 1: It's got to be a sports science approach.
Speaker 3: So what are they going to get done this week?
Speaker 3: I mean, besides stretching and getting to know each other?
Speaker 3: What's on the to do list? If you're in charge,
Speaker 3: let alone, what.
Speaker 1: Dock's going to ask? You know. I had a conversation
Speaker 1: with Trent Balky a little bit today and he used
Speaker 1: a word a lot called the onboarding process. And if
Speaker 1: you go back to the postseason analysis that they talked about,
Speaker 1: they felt like that they can do a better job
Speaker 1: of that onboarding process. And so this weekend is going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of that. A lot of the
Speaker 1: rookies they all rolled in today, they're doing testing and
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing, and and so over the
Speaker 1: next couple of days it's going to be kind of
Speaker 1: an acclamation period more than anything, or onboarding period, you know,
Speaker 1: so to speak to where you're trying to get them
Speaker 1: in the best mindset so that over the course of
Speaker 1: a couple of days they're going to learn a lot
Speaker 1: of things. One learn some of the scheme, learn some
Speaker 1: of their coaches learn what they need to do between
Speaker 1: now and the next time that they come back, and
Speaker 1: learn what they're going to be doing in the future.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a it's a great approach
Speaker 1: because look, you're not gonna win any games in May,
Speaker 1: for God's sakes.
Speaker 3: And really, if you figure out where the bathroom is,
Speaker 3: where the cafeteria is, the short cut to the locker room,
Speaker 3: to the field, to the weight room, those sorts of things,
Speaker 3: it's probably a win, yes.
Speaker 1: And you're probably not going to have enough guys to
Speaker 1: be able to have like a team type of practice, right,
Speaker 1: so you're more than likely going to be having some
Speaker 1: type of controlled drills. And and that's fine. That's fine.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of time as you as you move into
Speaker 1: the off season training activities, which are the OTAs or
Speaker 1: the practice days the team has that these guys will
Speaker 1: have plenty of time in the future to get up
Speaker 1: to speed, so to speak.
Speaker 3: Right, and before we talk about individuals, and now I
Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts on this. A couple of
Speaker 3: these guys are signing today and you'll probably see the
Speaker 3: notification at some point. The lower round guys, it's pretty
Speaker 3: much set what each guy's going to make now with
Speaker 3: the collective bargaining agreement the way that it is. The
Speaker 3: high picks in the first round, those are guys where
Speaker 3: there's some nuances to their contracts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but everybody else, you know where it's spotted in,
Speaker 1: you know where it's at is. It shouldn't be any
Speaker 1: problem at all for these guys getting contract signs. And
Speaker 1: I think you're starting to see the rookies around the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Some teams almost have their entire draft
Speaker 1: class sign already. Yeah, at their getting red camp, which
Speaker 1: is great. I mean why delay? And if you're a
Speaker 1: rookie player, there's something to be said for if you
Speaker 1: don't have a contract, you shouldn't participate in any of
Speaker 1: the team activity.
Speaker 3: We're trying to remember the last holdout, true holdout. Gabert
Speaker 3: was late to camp in eleven and that's the last
Speaker 3: one in twelve. How do you remember all this stuff? Well,
Speaker 3: you know, you know me, I'm trying to remember. I
Speaker 3: think that's the last guy that really held out. The
Speaker 3: collective Barney ger has changed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rookie, yeah, yeah, once a collective bargaining agreement changed,
Speaker 1: you had a rookie cap. It's very straightforward as to
Speaker 1: what the contract should be, all right. There there was
Speaker 1: a little bit of haggling over should the contract be guaranteed,
Speaker 1: but then he finally realized the teams that, look, we're
Speaker 1: not going to cut a first round pick after four
Speaker 1: years or anyway. So I mean, just go ahead and
Speaker 1: guarantee the whole thing. Which that's what teams are doing.
Speaker 1: That's what this team did from a very early standpoint,
Speaker 1: and that's better business than my opinion.
Speaker 3: Well, between Blaine Gabbert and Justin Blackman in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: you had basically the rook wage salary cap come into
Speaker 3: play in that collective bargaining agreement and it pretty much
Speaker 3: set the stage and it gets everybody into camp on time.
Speaker 1: The guy gotta show up.
Speaker 3: It's a good thing, all right. So I know you
Speaker 3: and JP have probably gone through this, but I didn't
Speaker 3: hear it. So I'm gonna ask again. You've had more
Speaker 3: time to absorb the selection of Brian Thomas twenty third overall. Now, look,
Speaker 3: it was the best offensive line class I've seen in
Speaker 3: thirty years of covering the draft. I mean it was good.
Speaker 3: Ten first round picks, right, nine first round picks.
Speaker 1: I would say a good I don't want to say great.
Speaker 3: Okay, not the best you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I think as far as the depth of it in
Speaker 1: the first round, it it might be one of the better.
Speaker 1: Maybe not the high end superser the high end superstars.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that great.
Speaker 3: If it had that guy. So I really thought this
Speaker 3: was a great value year to pick offensive line. And
Speaker 3: when they started backing up from seventeen, I realized they
Speaker 3: weren't picking offensive line. So were you surprised that receiver
Speaker 3: was the pick.
Speaker 1: No, because I didn't really know where they were going
Speaker 1: to go. I thought maybe corner could be a possibility,
Speaker 1: and an offensive line could be a possibility. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you're in the first round,
Speaker 1: you want to take the best player that you possibly can.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about the elite players. There is Latham. Latham,
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle for for Alabama from Alabama, ended up
Speaker 1: going to Tennessee. You could make the argument that he
Speaker 1: was one of the top guys in the draft, and
Speaker 1: he went earlier than many people thought.
Speaker 3: Because Joe All went five to Los Angeles and All.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting case study. It's going to be real
Speaker 1: interesting to watch him. He's uh, he's got jeans. Obviously
Speaker 1: he got the trades.
Speaker 3: You probably rushed against his dad.
Speaker 1: I did. I played against his dad. And this young
Speaker 1: man from Notre Dame is very long in the legs
Speaker 1: and so it's going to be interesting to watch watch him.
Speaker 1: But Latham is an effortless player from Alabama, just athletic.
Speaker 1: He's big, strong, you know, could he play left? I
Speaker 1: think he can play left. I guess that's where they've
Speaker 1: got him slotted to play in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: And Bill Callahan is considered one of the best offensive
Speaker 3: line coaches in recent memory. The dad the dad, right?
Speaker 1: The dad? Uh is the sons? I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: If it's not Bill is.
Speaker 3: Bill is the dad. Bill is the dad who was
Speaker 3: the head coach at Nebraska.
Speaker 1: And the son I don't know remember, I don't remember
Speaker 1: his first name. We'll figure that out. But but the
Speaker 1: receiver had I had Brian Thomas as the third best
Speaker 1: receiver in the draft.
Speaker 3: Class one and two were obviously neighbors.
Speaker 1: Neighbors and Harrison and I thought that they were interchangeable.
Speaker 3: So you had Brian Thomas ahead of Roma Doon today.
Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, Odosa is a is a catch and kind
Speaker 1: of go down guy. He's not one of those guys
Speaker 1: that can get the great separation that Neighbors got or
Speaker 1: that Neighbors is special, or that Thomas can get because
Speaker 1: he's got great speed.
Speaker 3: I ran into Cortes Hankton, who is the offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: l issue. I ran into him in Detroit one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: and he sought me out to say, Hey, Brian, these
Speaker 3: are my guys, and the guy that you got might
Speaker 3: be the most physical athletics specimen that I've ever covered.
Speaker 1: Six foot three and he runs a four three three,
Speaker 1: legitimate four three three and interesting. As part of that
Speaker 1: conversation that I had today with Trent Balk, he said
Speaker 1: that at the combine, they do all kinds of measurements, right,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, and in the forty yard dash
Speaker 1: time they have ah, they time them or they get
Speaker 1: a miles per hour speed in that twenty to forty
Speaker 1: yard range. He generated the fastest speed of any player
Speaker 1: at the combine in the twenty to forty yard range
Speaker 1: running his forty years. And at the speed game, it's
Speaker 1: a total speed game. But this guy's six foot three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's not like he's, you know, five foot eleven burner.
Speaker 1: This is a six foot three burner.
Speaker 3: Do you see a six foot three burner who's willing
Speaker 3: to go over the middle. I don't know that they're
Speaker 3: gonna ask him to do that as much here, but
Speaker 3: is he a willing physical guy?
Speaker 1: He's willing to do anything?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good sty.
Speaker 1: He's the ultimate team player. I actually got an email
Speaker 1: from a friend of mine who was a former executive
Speaker 1: of this football team, who's obviously a very still big fan,
Speaker 1: and he said, have you watched the film of Thomas
Speaker 1: where he's blocking on Jade and Daniel's eighty five yard run?
Speaker 1: So I had to go and watch it, and he's running.
Speaker 3: Down the field and blocking.
Speaker 1: Yes. Good.
Speaker 3: Those are the little things that the normal, the average
Speaker 3: fan isn't paying attention to because they're following the ball.
Speaker 1: Matters, It totally matters.
Speaker 3: You see that kind of effort a receiver.
Speaker 1: The interview that Cannannie Stevens had with Thomas was exceptional
Speaker 1: because it showed how humble he was, and Conan had
Speaker 1: some great questions and I think Ki did a great job.
Speaker 1: But what impressed me was some of his answers about
Speaker 1: how that he was willing essentially to do whatever it takes,
Speaker 1: and that he's there to help the team win. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of wide receiver come in. Is I
Speaker 1: want the ball? Keith and Johnson, just give me the
Speaker 1: dang ball.
Speaker 3: Listen, dang. But I go to the draft. I get
Speaker 3: these guys if they're there pretty quickly after their draft
Speaker 3: and for the interview, for the party, and I'm always
Speaker 3: interested to see their composure level. Are they way up
Speaker 3: in the clouds? Are they calm? He was nicely balanced
Speaker 3: between two. The energy level was high in him because
Speaker 3: he was excited about being here, but he was calm
Speaker 3: and relaxed, which I kind of I'm looking through that
Speaker 3: to see how are you going to be when the
Speaker 3: game has.
Speaker 1: Been did and you wonder where he gets it from.
Speaker 1: Did you see the interview with his parents? I sure did,
Speaker 1: I sure did.
Speaker 3: I loved it. I was right around the corner from
Speaker 3: him at that moment. That's when Cortes is like, come
Speaker 3: on over here and need everybody.
Speaker 1: That was the best. Yeah, good people.
Speaker 3: They really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: So are you amazed at how far you've come or
Speaker 1: where you've come come from? Bat Well. We came from
Speaker 1: Baton Rouge.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it. Hey, just transparent. Right here we
Speaker 3: are and we're ready to go.
Speaker 4: The dad was asked about doing a du ball and
Speaker 4: he's like, what's that? Yeah, and he'll be leading it.
Speaker 4: He'll be leading it. He's the kind of guy who
Speaker 4: will be leading it. Let me ask you about the
Speaker 4: defensive lineman in this before we take our first break.
Speaker 3: Mason Smith. He tours ACL two years ago. I kind
Speaker 3: of liken him physically to a Jeffrey Simmons or even
Speaker 3: a Chris Jones, big strong, tall, long impact kind of player.
Speaker 3: More like Jeffrey Simmons in that you're you may be
Speaker 3: catching lightning in a bottle if he gets help.
Speaker 1: I think Jeffrey Simmons is a little bit different player.
Speaker 1: I would compare him more to an Eric Armstead or
Speaker 1: it's a good conduct nerve, just because he's got a
Speaker 1: little bit leaner. He's got the length the size to
Speaker 1: go along with it. Was his production real high his
Speaker 1: last year at LSU No because he was still trying
Speaker 1: to find his way back from the ACL, And you
Speaker 1: could tell.
Speaker 3: Trent said that at the end of his twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three season, you started to see the guy that they
Speaker 3: were talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think even still at the end, you
Speaker 1: could still tell that he was favoring it just a
Speaker 1: little bit, but not as much earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: I mean, you watched the bulk of the film that
Speaker 1: I watched, which was early to mid point of the year,
Speaker 1: it was very apparent that he wasn't back completely healthy yet.
Speaker 3: So in the defensive line, coach, what do you want
Speaker 3: from him?
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be interesting to see where
Speaker 1: he plays. I think he's going to be a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I think he could probably play both, but he could
Speaker 1: also play a big end position for this football team.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's you know, he's similar in stature as
Speaker 1: an Eric Armstead, you know, so, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: those two guys can end up, you know, being interchangeable
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3: With Trayvon Walker up there too, who's almost that not
Speaker 3: as heavy, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trayvon's not that you know, he's not two hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety bah. He's strong as an ox, right, So
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how they end up utilizing
Speaker 1: I can tell you this, They're gonna win the Get
Speaker 1: Off the Bus Club. I mean when they get off
Speaker 1: the bus. I mean it's you know in high school
Speaker 1: when you had the other team, they get off the
Speaker 1: bus and you're just like, first, you know, the first
Speaker 1: thing you're looking at is how big are they? You know,
Speaker 1: you have no idea how good they are, you know
Speaker 1: from a lot of teams that you played, but you
Speaker 1: just looked at how big they were. When these guys
Speaker 1: get off the bus, you want them to be first
Speaker 1: off and then your other team is going to be going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're in trouble.
Speaker 3: One other guy, Jordan Jefferson, the defensive interior, the tackle,
Speaker 3: short hands, thirty four reps at two twenty five if
Speaker 3: that matters. But if you're going to be a guy
Speaker 3: on the inside, it matters.
Speaker 1: I mean that you know, look, strength matters on the inside.
Speaker 1: Big guy, strong hands, not a you know, he's not
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, he's a he's a nose tackle, right and.
Speaker 3: He's a crusher. You want him to crush.
Speaker 1: Bounced around a little bit, you know. And and this team,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the contractual situation is with some
Speaker 1: of the other defensive linemen that they have going forward,
Speaker 1: but you know, or the health of Devon Hamilton. Last year,
Speaker 1: he finished the year you know where it wasn't his
Speaker 1: best year. He didn't have a normal off season, didn't
Speaker 1: have a normal training camp, didn't have a normal in
Speaker 1: season with the with the back end injury that he had,
Speaker 1: and so where's he had I don't know, But you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the season, I was talking to
Speaker 1: Miselli and him kind of both agreed that this football
Speaker 1: team needed to get more physical, both on the offense
Speaker 1: and the defensive lines had to be a priority, right,
Speaker 1: And they did. They did with this draft on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball and with the offensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. They're going to have to get better
Speaker 1: from within. But remember now, okay, last year Cooper Hodges
Speaker 1: was gone on the shelf because of the knee, and
Speaker 1: then you brought in the guard from Minnesota on the trade,
Speaker 1: and Ezra ended up getting hurt because you moved in
Speaker 1: the tackle against the Cleveland Browns, which I didn't like that, right,
Speaker 1: because I'm not a big fan of weakening two positions
Speaker 1: because of one injury. Moved him out to tackle and
Speaker 1: he got hurt and he wasn't healthy the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. So but Ezra healthy is a really good
Speaker 1: football player, right, but you got to have some competition
Speaker 1: on the inside, and you had that with Morse being
Speaker 1: brought in. Also have that with Cooper Hodges hopefully healed
Speaker 1: back up and being able to play again.
Speaker 3: You know the problem with the show is we'll have
Speaker 3: an hour you and I could see her talk about
Speaker 3: this forever. Cant I get two quick answers from you?
Speaker 3: Stay on the offensive side. Well, maybe I know you
Speaker 3: got all you want to say. Javon Foster from a Zoo.
Speaker 1: I like him because he's got a lot of starts
Speaker 1: under his belt. Two time captain, showed some traits of
Speaker 1: being a really good tackle, and he played in the
Speaker 1: in the best conference in college football.
Speaker 3: And the defensive coordinator was reportedly pounding his hand on
Speaker 3: the table for Miles Coal from Texas Tech. The big
Speaker 3: physical specimen who's been He's been put in that developmental
Speaker 3: basket already.
Speaker 1: But did you like it? I like him. Look at
Speaker 1: anything you get in the seventh round. Show me a trait,
Speaker 1: show me something. Well, he's what six foot six, two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty pounds, and he's got some athleticism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seems like he likes the game too.
Speaker 1: He's an older guy in which a lot of these
Speaker 1: guys in the draft seem to be because of the
Speaker 1: COVID years that we've had the extra time. But he's
Speaker 1: got the traits and again he's part of that get
Speaker 1: off the bus Club six and eighty pounds defense Eve event.
Speaker 3: All right, So when we come back, let's talk about
Speaker 3: let's do the Microsoft Fan Questions right then. I want
Speaker 3: to talk to you about the division because I think
Speaker 3: when you look at this division, it got a lot better.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of talent in this division.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there's one thing that Tennessee did.
Speaker 3: All all right, I can't wait to hear it, but
Speaker 3: I'm glad they did it. Yeah, okay, fantastic. And then
Speaker 3: at the end, I want to get your thoughts in
Speaker 3: some undrafted rookie free agents. You got to sound like
Speaker 3: a good plan for the rest of the show, and
Speaker 3: I got it, all right. You're listening to Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 3: Brian Sexton in for JP Shadrick. We're back with Jeff
Speaker 3: Logoman after this, rolling right along Jags Happy Hour Brian
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Speaker 3: time for the Microsoft Fan Questions brought to you by
Speaker 3: our friends at Microsoft. I thought it would be fun
Speaker 3: just too get your answers to a couple of John.
Speaker 1: Odry's bus today.
Speaker 3: Since I'm not a big social media guy, are you
Speaker 3: a big social media guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm big, a huge So.
Speaker 3: I should have asked you to call these questions. John
Speaker 3: obviously is, and so I grabbed these and if you're
Speaker 3: interested in John's answer, you'll find them in today's Ozon
Speaker 3: mail bag. Ready perfect, Okay, So Brian from Round Rock, Texas,
Speaker 3: what's to know? What are the top three factors that
Speaker 3: will determine the success of the season. You can see
Speaker 3: his or Trevor Lawrence's development, Doug Peterson taking his job seriously, okay, Brian,
Speaker 3: and help of key players.
Speaker 1: Well. Health is always a big factor. But at the
Speaker 1: top is the development of Trevor Lawrence and can he
Speaker 1: take that next step? You know, and that's not easy
Speaker 1: to do. I mean last year, I think what kind
Speaker 1: of kept him from taking that next step was the
Speaker 1: multiple injuries that he sustained during the season. So he's
Speaker 1: going to have a lot to work with from as
Speaker 1: far as the skill position and weapons go for offensive line,
Speaker 1: where can they be at I think that's a big question.
Speaker 3: That's number two.
Speaker 1: I'd say Trevor's development and offensive line. And also number
Speaker 1: three is the ability to have a new defense and
Speaker 1: to mesh quickly.
Speaker 3: If I could add one to that, I would say
Speaker 3: the ability of the running game to be effective.
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be really better this year
Speaker 1: because I think you're going to be committed to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know running. The big thing about a running game
Speaker 1: is the commitment to it. They almost for the first
Speaker 1: couple of years, they did a lot of two point
Speaker 1: stance kind of stuff, and I'm not a big fan
Speaker 1: of that, especially when it comes to look if it's
Speaker 1: third and short and this football team I think needs
Speaker 1: to get back to handing the ground and running the
Speaker 1: football a little bit. You can still have the shotgun stuff,
Speaker 1: but you just need to cut back a little bit,
Speaker 1: I think on it to be able to have a
Speaker 1: successful running game or the commitment to it.
Speaker 3: I know Travis etn is the big playmaker in that
Speaker 3: offense backfield, but I was excited last year after watching
Speaker 3: Tank Bigsby. He had a ten carry stretch where he
Speaker 3: averaged six yards per carry and he didn't get a
Speaker 3: whole lot of carries, so that stretch is very memorable
Speaker 3: to me. I would think that another year. And I
Speaker 3: know they couldn't get him on the field a ton
Speaker 3: because of his past protection limitations.
Speaker 1: But ball security was you know, he comes struggled a
Speaker 1: little bit with that and then a couple of times Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I think the confidence was affected, and it
Speaker 1: could have been his confidence in himself, but also the
Speaker 1: coach's confidence in him. Yeah, but he's a powerful guy.
Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody. Everybody learns from that. Everybody matures from that.
Speaker 1: And then you move forward.
Speaker 3: Third and short. If they can start converting third down
Speaker 3: and short, they were near the last worst team in
Speaker 3: the league and third down and two yards or less,
Speaker 3: that's got to improve. Okay, Jason from North Pole, Alaska,
Speaker 3: if either one of our two LSU defensive lineman develops
Speaker 3: into a key player, he thinks the defensive line looks
Speaker 3: like it could be a major strength. Well, it looks
Speaker 3: like coming off the bus, it could be Holy cow,
Speaker 3: who are these guys. It's like the guys in the
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan animated movie Space Jam when they all all
Speaker 3: the aliens get off the bus and walk into the arena.
Speaker 3: You're like, what are we.
Speaker 1: Doing well to be that good? I think it can
Speaker 1: be a good defensive line, but I think you got
Speaker 1: to find one more dominant pass rusher. Okay. And when
Speaker 1: I say that, you know, is that Eric Armstead? Is
Speaker 1: that your second round pick? Is that Devon Hamilton getting
Speaker 1: back and giving you some push on the inside as well?
Speaker 1: Is it your further development of some guy that you
Speaker 1: have on the roster that's you know you've been working on.
Speaker 1: I don't know that, but you got to have more.
Speaker 1: The best teams have substitutions that whether you don't lose
Speaker 1: a whole lot, is this team does they do they
Speaker 1: have the ability to do that? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be a big question that needs
Speaker 1: to be answered in a positive way for this team
Speaker 1: to take the next step on defense.
Speaker 3: Would you be open to renting that, in other words,
Speaker 3: going out into the open market some point this summer
Speaker 3: and looking for someone a Bud Dupree.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, or would you rather have it be
Speaker 3: one of those guys? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean you go back to last year Calebon shaves On. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: he was your third outside pass rusher. He didn't do much.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can find somebody that that can
Speaker 1: replace him in that role as that extra edge rusher,
Speaker 1: you know, then then do it. Absolutely. Look, there's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with Renning.
Speaker 3: Did you see anything from ysirab Doulah, last year's fifth
Speaker 3: round pick from Louisville.
Speaker 1: He struggled. Look, I think he's got some trades, okay,
Speaker 1: and he's got like a really fluid movement to his
Speaker 1: pass rush. But he's got a you know, when you're
Speaker 1: a smaller guy that doesn't have the length, which is
Speaker 1: what he is, you've got to have something that gives
Speaker 1: you that difference making ability on a play. You know,
Speaker 1: you go back to Dwight Freeny, the get off the
Speaker 1: other guy in Indianapolis. On the other side, Robert Mathis
Speaker 1: had a spin and a whole array of moves and
Speaker 1: a relentlessness that was I mean on parallel.
Speaker 3: If you remember that first game in two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine in Indy when you had two rookie tackles and
Speaker 3: Eugene Monroe and Evan Britton look like Turnstiles and nothing
Speaker 3: against them. They were rookies starting their first game and
Speaker 3: you had those two guys and it was just like,
Speaker 3: you know, where's he coming from next? Where's who coming
Speaker 3: from next? The guy that just got by.
Speaker 1: You, Yeah, that's David gard was running for his life
Speaker 1: that day. It's tough, you know, but if you can
Speaker 1: find again, if you can find that third guy on Answid,
Speaker 1: I think, look, I think you've got a lot of
Speaker 1: tools to be able to pass rush on the inside.
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker a guy that can give you some inside rush,
Speaker 1: Eric Armstead, your second round draft pick, Big Roy Robertson Harris.
Speaker 1: Roy's got to get more consistent and he needs to
Speaker 1: stay healthy. Devon Hamilton getting back to being healthy. So
Speaker 1: I don't think you really need any anything else on
Speaker 1: the inside, but if you can find a guy that
Speaker 1: you can rent to play on the outside to give
Speaker 1: you some rotational reps by all means.
Speaker 3: Gavin Halifax Nova Scotia given the lack of depth at corner,
Speaker 3: and he says perceived lack of depth with some good
Speaker 3: corners available talking about renting again a Dorri Jackson's aving,
Speaker 3: Howard Stefan Gilmore, Patrick Peterson. The later two guys are
Speaker 3: pretty old amongst others. Do you see the Jags going
Speaker 3: corner to add depth or would you stay with the
Speaker 3: young guys. Does mont Terrek Brown give you any hope
Speaker 3: of evolving even further than he did last year, so
Speaker 3: that you'd be willing to go into camp and say,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with what I got.
Speaker 1: I think you have to start the process with with
Speaker 1: having a belief in the guys that you have, and
Speaker 1: then you kind of see where they're at. You know,
Speaker 1: once once you get into training camps, go kind of
Speaker 1: valuate them in the OTAs and then if you if
Speaker 1: you feel that there's growth being accomplished with some of
Speaker 1: these younger players, then no, you don't do that. I
Speaker 1: think you have to be open to the possibility of
Speaker 1: running a player at any position, like we're just talking
Speaker 1: about with the edge position or at the corner position.
Speaker 3: If you've got a quarterback every year the super Bowl
Speaker 3: window is open, right, yes, right, And if you think
Speaker 3: that your quarterback can take a jump and be that
Speaker 3: guy for you, then you've got to be willing, I
Speaker 3: guess to go out and they've got the money, they've
Speaker 3: got cap room to be able.
Speaker 1: To do it. They got the money. You know. The
Speaker 1: offensive line would be a position also that I think
Speaker 1: you've got to take a look at and maybe say, okay,
Speaker 1: can we supplement it there? Can we can we make
Speaker 1: it more competitive? But to go back to the corner position.
Speaker 1: I really like our draft picks. I think Jerry and
Speaker 1: Jones is going to provide this football team with some
Speaker 1: some strong competition at nickel. And then the young man
Speaker 1: Prince from Prince from Ole Miss three eight. I like
Speaker 1: him watching his film. I really like him.
Speaker 3: Talking to different people around the league about him. In particular,
Speaker 3: they think his speed is so significant that even in
Speaker 3: a press situation if he gets beat on the line
Speaker 3: of scripts because I can recover. Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: like one hundred and eighty to eighty three pounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a real big guy, but his.
Speaker 3: Speed is such that he can turn a run.
Speaker 1: But he's fluid, you know. I mean, speed is one thing,
Speaker 1: but to play that position, you've got to have people
Speaker 1: a lot of times use the term athleticism. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 1: it's fluid because you know, you've got to be able
Speaker 1: to have the fluid turn and run, the fluid flipping
Speaker 1: of the hips. It's a fluidity. Is that a word?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: The fluidity physicality I don't believe is a word, but
Speaker 3: we've become accustomed to it in.
Speaker 1: Thirty years in the NFL. Jerry and Jones, I would
Speaker 1: like to see a little bit more physicality, better tackling
Speaker 1: with him, But Prince, I like the fluidness of his hips,
Speaker 1: I like his speed. I think he's got a chance.
Speaker 3: Final question, Randy from Duval wonders if you add Mac
Speaker 3: Jones and Ezra Cleveland to this year's draft class, round
Speaker 3: six looks really good starting left guard, backup quarterback. In
Speaker 3: a kick, I'll take Jones and Cleveland over any sixth
Speaker 3: round guard quarterback any day of the week. Obviously, the
Speaker 3: Jaguars gave up a couple of picks to add a
Speaker 3: couple of veteran players. Do you take, especially in today's day,
Speaker 3: a free agency and open windows, a holistic approach and
Speaker 3: just look at the entirety of what you've done in
Speaker 3: the offseason when you get to the later rounds. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think you have to pick stand alone.
Speaker 1: Second, yeah, I think you have to, and I think
Speaker 1: that those are are are two especially you know, look,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a big fan of a physical guard
Speaker 1: who showed you some abilities with Ezra Cleveland there in
Speaker 1: the season. You went Hey, there's a guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: because you know, there there was one game in particular
Speaker 1: that he played and I think it was the game
Speaker 1: before the Cleveland game, Cincinnati, Cincinnati, and maybe it was
Speaker 1: a game before that. Anyway, it was one of those
Speaker 1: games where you said he was the best offensive lineman
Speaker 1: on the field.
Speaker 3: It was probably the Houston game.
Speaker 1: In the Houston game, and I said, hands down, he
Speaker 1: was the best offensive lineman on the field in that game.
Speaker 1: And uh, and then he got the injury like two
Speaker 1: weeks later. But I I and the money. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: you resigned him for nice value. That's that's an excellent
Speaker 1: job by the organization as far as executing the trade.
Speaker 1: But then also if you didn't re sign him, you
Speaker 1: kind of okay, now, you did you really make any
Speaker 1: kind of positive investment by giving up the pick, you know,
Speaker 1: if it was just a rental. Look, he showed you
Speaker 1: that he has the trades. Okay, So you acquired the
Speaker 1: player with the trade, which was a minimal cost, and
Speaker 1: then you got him at a very affordable contract. Compare
Speaker 1: his contract to the contract that you ended up giving
Speaker 1: Sheriff to come here to begin it's very different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brandon Sheriff is making his cap hit this year
Speaker 3: is twelve million, but I think if you.
Speaker 1: Put his salaries, not that much.
Speaker 3: No, it's not that bad. When he came. When Brandy
Speaker 3: got here, he signed a three year, forty nine million,
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand dollars contract.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of money. And I'm looking for what
Speaker 3: Eveland just signed.
Speaker 1: I think as a Cleveland signed for around nine a year.
Speaker 3: Wow, when did you think Guards would make nine million dollars?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not taking anything away.
Speaker 1: Just goes to.
Speaker 3: Show Cleveland signe of three years almost fifty million dollars
Speaker 3: for Brandon three years twenty four million, so less than
Speaker 3: half good value.
Speaker 1: Nice. I think that's a really good job there.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1: When Cleveland's worth that every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially for the fact that it gives you
Speaker 3: some positional flexibility if you have to hope you don't
Speaker 3: need to leave.
Speaker 1: The mcguard by leave mcguard stop. You're the general manager.
Speaker 1: I'm just the guy on the radio.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll take a look around the
Speaker 3: division and get Jeff's thoughts on each of the three
Speaker 3: teams and how they improved themselves through the Draft, and
Speaker 3: then to wrap the show up, we'll talk about some
Speaker 3: of the undrafted rookies who will be making their debut
Speaker 3: here at Rookie Mini Camp this weekend. You're listening to
Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour, normally hosted by JP Shadwick. I'm filling
Speaker 3: in instead, and we're back after this Welcome back in
Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour, Ryan Sexton along with Jeff Logoman from
Speaker 3: the Miller Electric Center and the Hyundai Studios down at
Speaker 3: EverBank Stadium. A rookie class making its way in this evening.
Speaker 3: Maybe see a couple signings, they do physicals and things
Speaker 3: like that, we'll see. Watch out over the course of
Speaker 3: the weekend. I imagine you will find some we've been
Speaker 3: talking about the Jaguars draft class. Let's look at the
Speaker 3: division and get your thoughts. The colts are where.
Speaker 1: We'll still go too deep for these teams. Well, I
Speaker 1: promise that I'll.
Speaker 3: Just What I really want to do is look at
Speaker 3: the top two picks, because those are guys you expect
Speaker 3: to see any impact from. And I'll throw a couple
Speaker 3: of free agent names and you tell me how much
Speaker 3: better they got. So the cults really didn't do anything
Speaker 3: at free agency. That's not sign the guys. Yeah, they did,
Speaker 3: and they added Joe Flacco as a backup to Anthony Richardson. Well,
Speaker 3: the only reason it's important is Richardson's a guy who
Speaker 3: was so physical he missed a lot of last season.
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll learn to play differently, but maybe he's not
Speaker 3: available for seventeen games. So Flacco might be a big
Speaker 3: deal than you think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean even if Joe plays, means.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to try to talk to you,
Speaker 3: and you're the expert. They also signed a big defensive tackle,
Speaker 3: Raykwon Davis. That's about it, Davis. Eh, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: so nothing a free agency then nothing. But when I
Speaker 3: mentioned the first round draft choice, it changes completely. That
Speaker 3: being the tone of your voice. Lattu from UCLA. I
Speaker 3: interviewed him in Detroit before the draft and loved him.
Speaker 3: Thought he was phenomenal, great story with the neck injury
Speaker 3: at Washington, which I.
Speaker 1: Didn't know that initially when I was watching film on him,
Speaker 1: telling you during the break, Yeah, and I'm watching film
Speaker 1: on him, and as I start to get through all
Speaker 1: the supposed top defenders, you know, to me, Latu was
Speaker 1: hands down the best defender in.
Speaker 3: The draft regardless of position.
Speaker 1: Defender, Yeah, best defender in the draft. What did you
Speaker 1: like about him the most? He's he is. They don't
Speaker 1: they can't block him, right, He's effortless, he's strong, he's fluid,
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he's fast, he's got an array of moves,
Speaker 1: and he's smart. There's nothing that he doesn't have. He's
Speaker 1: got a great way of the football. Smarts that he
Speaker 1: plays the game with is tremendous. But he's just so productive.
Speaker 1: I think, like last two years he had like twenty
Speaker 1: three and a half sacks. Who has twenty three and
Speaker 1: a half sacks in their last two years in college?
Speaker 1: So how many?
Speaker 3: To your credit you said you thought he was the
Speaker 3: best defender in the draft. He was the first defensive
Speaker 3: player off the board, because remember they had fourteen offensive
Speaker 3: players offense and he was fifteen.
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there when he got picked, and
Speaker 1: I said, Gus is gonna beat over the moon. Gus Bradley.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 3: He is the prototypical.
Speaker 1: LEO defensive coordinator of the Indianapolis Colts former Jaguars coach.
Speaker 1: He's gonna love law To And so I remember, after
Speaker 1: watching law To, I remember you know, different times, I'm
Speaker 1: watching these podcasts of different draft shows, you know, just
Speaker 1: to hear names, to see what other people are thinking
Speaker 1: about where they kind of feel like players should go,
Speaker 1: because I like to kind of compare that on what
Speaker 1: I see from watching film. And so I heard somebody say,
Speaker 1: you know, how, what do you think the physical condition
Speaker 1: the injury of law To will do to his draft stock?
Speaker 3: And I went, huh, right, you didn't even know.
Speaker 1: I had no idea, right, And so when you watch
Speaker 1: the film, you don't get any indication that this guy
Speaker 1: is playing with any kind of injury that impacts his
Speaker 1: ability to play at an effective rate. He's again, he
Speaker 1: was the best defender in the draft, all right.
Speaker 3: So the Colts had lat too, won Ady Mitchell, the big,
Speaker 3: tall receiver from Texas.
Speaker 1: Stiff, little stiff, okay, but he's fast. It makes a
Speaker 1: lot of big plays, but he's a little stiff, right,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: And then they added a big offensive lineman from pitt
Speaker 3: And you always need those guys in a center from Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: You always need those guys. So just an overall thought,
Speaker 3: they've got a quarterback issue. I don't know that I
Speaker 3: would be able to be comfortable knowing what Anthony Richardson is.
Speaker 3: All you hear out of India is well, will you
Speaker 3: see Anthony Richardson. I hope so. I mean he's a
Speaker 3: local kid from Gamesville. I hope he does well. But
Speaker 3: I question, you know how much better the Colts will be.
Speaker 3: They'll be better on defense.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have taken Anthony Richardson where the Colts did
Speaker 1: right fourth. Overall, I think it was just a he's
Speaker 1: a big project. It's going to take him some time.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he can't get there, but I
Speaker 1: would not have taken him that high. It was interesting too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw. In the last day
Speaker 1: or so, an article came out and it was quoting
Speaker 1: the Offensive Center that the Colts have the from Alabama.
Speaker 3: Alabama, Yeah, Ryan.
Speaker 1: Kelly, right, And Ryan Kelly was quoted about talking about
Speaker 1: and praising Anthony Richardson's work, ethic, in the way he
Speaker 1: handles himself, which is impressive. And there's no debating the
Speaker 1: athleticism and talent that he has. But athleticism and talent
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily compute into playing quarterback. So he's got a
Speaker 1: long way to go.
Speaker 3: Okay, So if you were to rank the Colts one
Speaker 3: through four in the Division three or.
Speaker 1: Two, No, I'd put them at three.
Speaker 3: Okay, three seems to be the logical place for three.
Speaker 1: I put them at three.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so that's where they are. Let's talk
Speaker 3: about the Titans. You said third four, Yeah, as you
Speaker 3: go there, because there was something that you didn't like.
Speaker 3: They added Calvin Ridley, they traded for Lagerious Snead, the
Speaker 3: two big free agent moves wide receiver in corner, and
Speaker 3: then their top two draft picks are both linemen. You
Speaker 3: mentioned your affection for jac Latham.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a He's a really good pick.
Speaker 1: He's a He was a right tackle at Alabama. He
Speaker 1: did everything in a very effort, effortless manner. Some people
Speaker 1: don't think he can play left tackle. I think he can,
Speaker 1: but I mean this is this is a I mean
Speaker 1: I thought he was the second best offensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the draft.
Speaker 3: Who do you think was the first? The kid from
Speaker 3: from Notre Dame, oh Jolt, the tall guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he was the best. He was just
Speaker 1: a mauler and he's got length and he's going to
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to still even get bigger but Latham
Speaker 1: is just he's naturally charging, He's huge, an athletic.
Speaker 3: He was one of the thirteen guys that was in
Speaker 3: Detroit and he was a physical specimen.
Speaker 1: Now, the part that I didn't like the second round
Speaker 1: pick that I was going to ask you about, Okay,
Speaker 1: who was Byron Murphy's cohort at Texas and this is
Speaker 1: the big powerful run stoppers, part time player at Texas
Speaker 1: because he was out of shape, not a team player
Speaker 1: by some of the reports that are coming out, had
Speaker 1: the issue with I think an out driving while in
Speaker 1: the recently. Those are all signs to me that go
Speaker 1: red alert, red alert, red alert, stay away. They pitched
Speaker 1: him in the second round. Yeah, you don't draft defensive
Speaker 1: tackles that cannot rush the passer in the second round.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you don't do that. Okay.
Speaker 3: So they are in the fore hoole.
Speaker 1: Then, yes, okay, they belong all right.
Speaker 3: So then I'm guessing that the Texans, based on their
Speaker 3: division title from a year ago, are the team you
Speaker 3: thinks at the top of the division.
Speaker 1: They they've earned it. Okay, so we'll go there, and
Speaker 1: they're in a one hole. So C. J.
Speaker 3: Stroud, obviously you have you talked about him before the draft.
Speaker 3: Last year, you talked about him through the season.
Speaker 1: He is talked about him before he was drafted. That
Speaker 1: it's right. Mean, I was like this guy, this guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, And whenever's this debate about who should be
Speaker 1: the first overall draft picked, and I'm watching Alabama play
Speaker 1: and I'm watching Ohio State play, and I go, who
Speaker 1: are these people that are saying the prospect from Alabama
Speaker 1: should be the first overall pick?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so either six, three, two twenty five
Speaker 3: and CJ. Strout obviously proved it. Here's what they gave
Speaker 3: him a free agency and then I'll give you the
Speaker 3: draft picks. Stefan Diggs, the former Buffalo bill who is enigmatic.
Speaker 1: I would not have done that. As a general manager,
Speaker 1: I would not have done that.
Speaker 3: Joe Mixon, the running back from Cincinnati, I would have
Speaker 3: done that, who always seems a two hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: five pounds to beat on the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: He had to come touchdowns here. Joe's got a little
Speaker 1: bit left in the tank and he's been a consistent starter.
Speaker 3: And then Daniel Hunter, the pass rusher from Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Wish we had him here.
Speaker 3: So then you add to that Hall of those three
Speaker 3: free agents. A draft class that's not deep because remember
Speaker 3: they traded the twenty third overall pick to Minnesota and
Speaker 3: the Jaguars then traded with Minnesota and the Jaguars picked
Speaker 3: twenty third. But when you look at what they added,
Speaker 3: they added a cornerback, Kamari Lassiter from Georgia. I was
Speaker 3: at Kansas when his dad played, so I know the
Speaker 3: kind of player he is. I don't know how good
Speaker 3: he is, but he'll be a guy who's in your face,
Speaker 3: physical and not afraid to mix it up at the
Speaker 3: line of screen.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, uh, to see how he does. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that I watched a little bit of film
Speaker 1: on him, didn't watch a ton because he was not
Speaker 1: considered one of the top cornerback prospects. But the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans are going to make their significant jump with the
Speaker 1: development of c. J. Stroud in that in that passing
Speaker 1: game last year, it was at a level that was
Speaker 1: really never seen before by a rookie passer.
Speaker 3: No, they were tremendous so and Tank Dell was a
Speaker 3: big part of that. Now, Tanks, he's from Wound.
Speaker 1: Hope you have a gunshot Wound.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they say that's not going to be something
Speaker 3: that's going to get in his way.
Speaker 1: You hope that he's recovery is yeah, yea hope. But
Speaker 1: I mean that's scary. And but Stefan Diggs is the
Speaker 1: wild card I think in this and the reason I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it is because he's proven in the
Speaker 1: past to not have his quarterbacks back, so to speak,
Speaker 1: and that he's willing to what's the better way to
Speaker 1: put it. He's a plain diva.
Speaker 3: And the Bills knew that when they traded for him
Speaker 3: from Minnesota, and they put up with it to a
Speaker 3: certain degree, to a certain point, and then they decided
Speaker 3: it was time to cut bait and move on and
Speaker 3: moved him to Houston. So this is feast or famine right.
Speaker 1: Well here, you know he had he could be good
Speaker 1: and it could be bad, right, could be really bad.
Speaker 1: But they've got, uh the wide receivers that they have
Speaker 1: Tank Dell. Let's say he comes back and he's healthy.
Speaker 1: The other guy from from miss Michigan, a big, tall,
Speaker 1: long guy that runs great, and he's the guy I
Speaker 1: was saying a couple of years ago. This guy is
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 3: Right, he had a big game here in Week two
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 1: Love him, love him. It's from Michigan, Michigan, and he
Speaker 1: was like a third round pick or something like that.
Speaker 1: He was not a high draft pick. I can't believe
Speaker 1: we're forgetting his name.
Speaker 3: We're getting old, Jeff. I just want to make sure
Speaker 3: I got it.
Speaker 1: But uh, he is is. He reminds me a little
Speaker 1: bit of what we just got in the draft. Big, tall, fast.
Speaker 3: Deco Collins.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nico Colin. Nico Collins. I to make sure
Speaker 1: I didn't confuse him with Noah Brown, one of the
Speaker 1: best young wide receivers in the division.
Speaker 3: So now you got Diggs, Dell and Collins, who if
Speaker 3: they are all healthy, if and all acting right.
Speaker 1: To be pretty dangerous. So they got pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just Dalton Schulz decided to stay for another year.
Speaker 1: Be pretty good. He could have left.
Speaker 3: So I think that they are legitimately the team that
Speaker 3: you put right there number one, And we were sort
Speaker 3: of doing a little schedule prognosticating.
Speaker 1: By the way, Demigo Ryans give him some credit. He's
Speaker 1: a really good coach. He he has done a really
Speaker 1: good job because the general manager that has been there
Speaker 1: for a while, not Jack Easterby, but is.
Speaker 3: Now gone, is gone, he's out of the picture, hitting
Speaker 3: me with everything, and uh, the guy who came from
Speaker 3: from New England and.
Speaker 1: All right, anyway, he he really if you looked at
Speaker 1: some of the moves, many of the moves that he
Speaker 1: made up until Demiico Ryans became the head coach, we're
Speaker 1: kind of looked at as they went through a couple
Speaker 1: of coaches in a couple of years and right back
Speaker 1: to back years. And you bring Dimiko Ryans in and
Speaker 1: did a from a tremendous job. Tremendous job, and especially
Speaker 1: I mean a defensive minded coach to be able to have,
Speaker 1: you know, a quarterback that come in as a rookie
Speaker 1: and to uh to coach a team to the division title,
Speaker 1: tremendous job.
Speaker 3: Nick Cesario, who is against one of those guys who
Speaker 3: came with them.
Speaker 1: Phil, he was from the Belichick coaching.
Speaker 3: Tree absolutely, just like at easter Peak was as well.
Speaker 3: All right, so there's a look at the division and
Speaker 3: we'll just kind of stack at Texans, Jags, Colts, Titans.
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, that's kind of where it's at. Okay,
Speaker 1: and and the top ones are the best quarterbacks that's,
Speaker 1: you know, the way it should be. And and here's
Speaker 1: the thing we really haven't talk much about our quarterback.
Speaker 1: Our quarterback has to take the next big step forward.
Speaker 1: He's got to take the next step. You know. Last year,
Speaker 1: I think the injuries kept him from taking those steps forward.
Speaker 3: When they were eight and three, he still had too
Speaker 3: many turnovers, but it looked like he was in command.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, you get the knee,
Speaker 3: and you get the ankle, and you get the shoulder,
Speaker 3: and you get the head, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it just doesn't look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but whenever eight and three we were sitting there
Speaker 1: going this offense still hasn't even come close to it
Speaker 1: and its stride. The defense was one of the big
Speaker 1: reasons why that team will turnovers. They created.
Speaker 3: Yes, well let's do this when we come back. We'll
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about Trevor. Also, we'll do a
Speaker 3: little schedule prognosticating, right, it's gonna come out next week.
Speaker 3: Get your thoughts on primetime games. Maybe where they start
Speaker 3: the season, be where the end the season. I have
Speaker 3: a couple of distinct thoughts on that too. We get
Speaker 3: one more segment. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jeff Loghiman
Speaker 3: is here and we will return right after this. All right,
Speaker 3: back for one more se got about five minutes here
Speaker 3: left in Jaguars Happy Hour. So the schedule comes out.
Speaker 1: Wednesday supposedly, Well, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: There was some talking was going to come this week,
Speaker 3: that we might be talking about it tonight, but they
Speaker 3: didn't get there. I come on, just let's let's go right.
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know the NFL, they liked the drama,
Speaker 3: they liked to Can you imagine trying to put that together?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: You know when Val pinchback and you remember Val, when
Speaker 3: Val used to put he was the broadcast VP. He
Speaker 3: used to go into a room. He didn't have any
Speaker 3: he didn't have any technology. I mean they just kind
Speaker 3: of cut and paste on a on a whiteboard with stickers,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: With with venues. Now, there's just so much going on,
Speaker 1: so many und management of all of that. It's a
Speaker 1: huge task.
Speaker 3: And the room is guarded by everything but the.
Speaker 1: Scenes and also the international games you kind of factor
Speaker 1: them in.
Speaker 3: And those are just becoming even more prevalent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just want to.
Speaker 3: Get your thoughts on who who would you like to
Speaker 3: see the Jaguars open the season against I mean, if
Speaker 3: you were going to pick one right out of the gate,
Speaker 3: for assume it's going to be primetime. Just for this conversation,
Speaker 3: I don't want it to be a division opponent.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just I'm not a big fan of opening
Speaker 1: up with a division opponent. So I'll choose green Bay,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: They opened with the Colts last year. I would like
Speaker 3: to see I'll go with the division. I would like
Speaker 3: to see that c. J. Stroud Trevor Lawrence matchup. I
Speaker 3: don't think we're going to see it. I don't want
Speaker 3: to see that right up, Uietly, that is a game
Speaker 3: the NFL is just going to love having.
Speaker 1: Green Bay would be a good one now with I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's an attractive matchup. And then the other thing too,
Speaker 1: is it would be good for the.
Speaker 3: Gate primetime games. How many do you think the Jaguars earned?
Speaker 1: They didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't play all that well in primetime last year.
Speaker 3: You know, the Bengals game had had promised it was
Speaker 3: a good game down to the end.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean not counting the London game, because that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's National those are going to be that. Well,
Speaker 1: that's obviously not primetime this morning. I would say, you'll
Speaker 1: get a Thursday night game, and you'll probably get a
Speaker 1: Monday night game.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they were all home last year. You figure
Speaker 3: at least one of those is away this year. The
Speaker 3: away games are the Eagles, the Bills, the Dolphins, the Lions,
Speaker 3: the Bears. The Bills would be a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they played that one in September. There's no chance of
Speaker 3: that happening.
Speaker 1: That would be nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not after we got them last year. But you
Speaker 3: start to get around November, it starts you could have them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: there in November.
Speaker 3: You think maybe Thanksgiving Day finally, for the first time
Speaker 3: in Jaguars history, they played the Thanksgiving Day game. They
Speaker 3: do have a scheduled away matchup at Ford Field.
Speaker 1: That would be great. I would be for that.
Speaker 3: I used to be able to do the math because
Speaker 3: one year it was Detroit that had the NFC opponent
Speaker 3: and Dallas had the AFC, and then they would flip
Speaker 3: flop so that each network had a game. Well, now
Speaker 3: you got the NFL network game, and and maybe NFL
Speaker 3: Network is going to see that to Netflix or Amazon
Speaker 3: or whoever. But you have three games, but this might
Speaker 3: be the year.
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 3: That you have a Thanksgiving Day a game. I think
Speaker 3: that would be cool to be part of the two.
Speaker 3: Never had one, No, the only two games the Jaguars
Speaker 3: have not had Giving Day game and the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Of course I have a both this year.
Speaker 1: That'd be great. Not both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see where that one goes. Also, first ever
Speaker 3: trip to Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new stadium would be cool to see. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big fan of Vegas. I'm not my kind
Speaker 1: of town.
Speaker 3: I listen me either. I was there for the Draft
Speaker 3: and it was fun. I toured the stadium. It's it's exceptional,
Speaker 3: especially when you walk in there. I want you to
Speaker 3: put yourself in the belly of the old Oakland Alameda
Speaker 3: County Coliseum. Yeah, and of course you'll miss it because
Speaker 3: you're nostalgic and you love the history of the game.
Speaker 3: But you'll be like, wow, I mean it's a lot
Speaker 3: different Mars and Venus.
Speaker 1: It is. So when we go to Vegas, do I
Speaker 1: need to bring a pack of cigarettes and a whole
Speaker 1: bag of coins and just sit at the I don't
Speaker 1: know what is that thing?
Speaker 3: The slot machine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, with handle on it? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Where they I.
Speaker 3: Don't know where teams stay, the hockey teams, right, because
Speaker 3: because Tim pas who produces our preseason broadcasts, it travels
Speaker 3: with hockey and they stay right in the casinos, right,
Speaker 3: they stay in the hotel casino.
Speaker 1: I mean every hotel is probably a casino.
Speaker 3: I think there's one or two that doesn't have a
Speaker 3: casino in it. It's like a Marriott off the strip somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the NFL, because.
Speaker 1: If they're that'll be interesting. We'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3: It was fun. Thanks for having me in tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Appreciate catching up. And by the way, the pre show
Speaker 3: is the best because we talked for an hour about
Speaker 3: what we're cooking.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the older we get.
Speaker 3: The more we appreciate good food and good wine. Jeff,
Speaker 3: have a great rest of your waiting to you all
Speaker 3: folks too. And JP's back in the seat next Thursday
Speaker 3: for JAG. Where's Happy Abu