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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, May Night.

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Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy Hour is brought

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Speaker 2: to you by the Saint John's River Water Management District.

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Speaker 1: And now a guy.

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Speaker 2: Who married his wife for her looks just not the

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Speaker 2: ones he's been getting lately.

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Speaker 3: Brian Sexton. That's for sure, because her birthday was last weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yet Mother's Days this weekend and our anniversary is the

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Speaker 3: week after. You want to talk about pressure, right, but

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Speaker 3: how do you how do you do that?

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Speaker 1: Can you bundle gifts? Listen?

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Speaker 3: I did last year because it was our twenty fifth

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Speaker 3: wedding anniversary. Happy birthday, Jen, Yeah, yeah, we went to Croatia.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I can't do that again this year. Once is enough, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Brian Sexton in for JP Shadwick. You know the dulcent

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Speaker 3: tones of Jeff Logoman. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm I'm really good. And what I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about also is this time of year football is starting

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Speaker 1: to crank up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Just it just gives you the teas though, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's all you know. Look, the schedule coming

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Speaker 1: out what next week I think is when the schedule's

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Speaker 1: anticipated on Wednesdays, what they're talking about a lot of

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Speaker 1: teams last week had their rookie men in camp. The

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Rookie Minute Camp starts tomorrow, so so yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be nice too. Also, the OTAs are going to

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Speaker 1: be getting started after the Rookie minutie.

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Speaker 3: So how much do you get out of it? Let's

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Speaker 3: go with rookie minicamp first. Because Kai asked me on

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Speaker 3: jag Zam the other day, what do you expect to

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Speaker 3: get out of this weekend? I said nothing.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to get a ton, you know. I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna be on the field about an hour

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Speaker 1: each day, maybe a little over an hour. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're going to have the numbers that they

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Speaker 1: had in the past, right, So how much do you learn?

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Speaker 1: Not a whole lot. But the one thing that you're

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Speaker 1: going to be able to do is you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to look at the athleticism of the players that

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Speaker 1: they've got. Beyond that, there's not a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, I've done this a long time. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what to look for, but you look at

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Speaker 3: it through a completely different lens. So let's start with

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Speaker 3: we didn't.

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Speaker 1: Have a rookie minicamp. By the way, when I got drafted.

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Speaker 3: No, you just went right to training camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, now we had we had a mandatory mini

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Speaker 1: camp typically every team had won. If you had a

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Speaker 1: new head coach, then you were allowed to have two

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Speaker 1: even back into that early era, but there was no

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Speaker 1: such thing as a rookie minicamp. I mean, the first

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Speaker 1: time that I met every one of my teammates was

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Speaker 1: at the mandatory mini camp, which typically was held right

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Speaker 1: at or soon after the draft. And then that we

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Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of what there is today, which

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Speaker 1: is the OTAs and those things. They didn't start until that.

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Speaker 3: Came in post Jimmy Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Right, he was the change, the creation of Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: which he started doing it when he went to Dallas

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: And then uh college guy coming in changing the dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Trying to bring some of that college stuff into the pros.

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Speaker 1: And then when he started to have success, then everybody

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Speaker 1: in the league wanted to do that, but they started

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Speaker 1: a number and all that kind of stuff to what

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Speaker 1: it is today.

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's back up one more step before

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Speaker 3: we talk about individuals and what you might be looking at,

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Speaker 3: what do you expect from a rookie mini camp. But

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Speaker 3: remember twenty fifteen, incomes Dante Fowler, right the third pick

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Speaker 3: of the draft. He had been training, like all of

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Speaker 3: these guys training, and all you're doing is running forties

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Speaker 3: in three cone drills and explosive movements so that you

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Speaker 1: Year and it wasn't a practice that was extremely challenging

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Speaker 3: There's warm to that day, really warm.

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Speaker 1: And totally wrong approach in my opinion, because you got

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Speaker 1: to remember that a lot of these guys that you're

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Speaker 1: bringing in right now, they were training for the Combine.

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Speaker 1: They were training for all these drills with coaches. They

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of a period where you'd say, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: let's not just come in and try to kick their

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Speaker 1: and anything less than being in great shade, then it's

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Speaker 3: Not a tough guy sport anymore. That's the old school approach,

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Speaker 3: you know, look as a caveman approach. Yes, and now

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Speaker 3: it's a scientific approach totally.

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Speaker 1: It's got to be a sports science approach.

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Speaker 3: So what are they going to get done this week?

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Speaker 3: I mean, besides stretching and getting to know each other?

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Speaker 3: What's on the to do list? If you're in charge,

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Speaker 3: let alone, what.

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Speaker 1: Dock's going to ask? You know. I had a conversation

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Speaker 1: with Trent Balky a little bit today and he used

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Speaker 1: a word a lot called the onboarding process. And if

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Speaker 1: you go back to the postseason analysis that they talked about,

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Speaker 1: they felt like that they can do a better job

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Speaker 1: of that onboarding process. And so this weekend is going

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of that. A lot of the

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Speaker 1: rookies they all rolled in today, they're doing testing and

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Speaker 1: next couple of days it's going to be kind of

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Speaker 1: an acclamation period more than anything, or onboarding period, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the best mindset so that over the course of

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Speaker 1: a couple of days they're going to learn a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. One learn some of the scheme, learn some

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Speaker 1: of their coaches learn what they need to do between

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Speaker 1: now and the next time that they come back, and

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Speaker 1: learn what they're going to be doing in the future.

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Speaker 1: So I think that that's a it's a great approach

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Speaker 1: because look, you're not gonna win any games in May,

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Speaker 1: for God's sakes.

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Speaker 3: And really, if you figure out where the bathroom is,

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Speaker 3: where the cafeteria is, the short cut to the locker room,

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Speaker 3: to the field, to the weight room, those sorts of things,

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Speaker 3: it's probably a win, yes.

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Speaker 1: And you're probably not going to have enough guys to

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Speaker 1: be able to have like a team type of practice, right,

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Speaker 1: There's plenty of time as you as you move into

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Speaker 1: the off season training activities, which are the OTAs or

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Speaker 1: the practice days the team has that these guys will

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Speaker 1: have plenty of time in the future to get up

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Speaker 3: Right, and before we talk about individuals, and now I

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Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts on this. A couple of

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Speaker 3: these guys are signing today and you'll probably see the

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Speaker 3: notification at some point. The lower round guys, it's pretty

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Speaker 3: much set what each guy's going to make now with

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Speaker 3: the collective bargaining agreement the way that it is. The

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Speaker 3: high picks in the first round, those are guys where

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Speaker 3: there's some nuances to their contracts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but everybody else, you know where it's spotted in,

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Speaker 1: you know where it's at is. It shouldn't be any

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Speaker 1: problem at all for these guys getting contract signs. And

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Speaker 1: I think you're starting to see the rookies around the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. Some teams almost have their entire draft

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Speaker 1: class sign already. Yeah, at their getting red camp, which

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Speaker 1: is great. I mean why delay? And if you're a

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Speaker 1: rookie player, there's something to be said for if you

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Speaker 1: don't have a contract, you shouldn't participate in any of

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Speaker 1: the team activity.

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Speaker 3: We're trying to remember the last holdout, true holdout. Gabert

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Speaker 3: was late to camp in eleven and that's the last

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Speaker 3: one in twelve. How do you remember all this stuff? Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know me, I'm trying to remember. I

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Speaker 3: think that's the last guy that really held out. The

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Speaker 3: collective Barney ger has changed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rookie, yeah, yeah, once a collective bargaining agreement changed,

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Speaker 1: you had a rookie cap. It's very straightforward as to

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Speaker 1: what the contract should be, all right. There there was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of haggling over should the contract be guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: but then he finally realized the teams that, look, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to cut a first round pick after four

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Speaker 1: guarantee the whole thing. Which that's what teams are doing.

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Speaker 1: That's what this team did from a very early standpoint,

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Speaker 1: and that's better business than my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Well, between Blaine Gabbert and Justin Blackman in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 3: you had basically the rook wage salary cap come into

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Speaker 3: play in that collective bargaining agreement and it pretty much

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Speaker 3: set the stage and it gets everybody into camp on time.

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Speaker 1: The guy gotta show up.

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Speaker 3: It's a good thing, all right. So I know you

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Speaker 3: and JP have probably gone through this, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: hear it. So I'm gonna ask again. You've had more

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Speaker 3: time to absorb the selection of Brian Thomas twenty third overall. Now, look,

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Speaker 3: it was the best offensive line class I've seen in

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Speaker 3: thirty years of covering the draft. I mean it was good.

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Speaker 3: Ten first round picks, right, nine first round picks.

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Speaker 1: I would say a good I don't want to say great.

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Speaker 3: Okay, not the best you've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I think as far as the depth of it in

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Speaker 1: the first round, it it might be one of the better.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not the high end superser the high end superstars.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that great.

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Speaker 3: If it had that guy. So I really thought this

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Speaker 3: was a great value year to pick offensive line. And

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Speaker 3: when they started backing up from seventeen, I realized they

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Speaker 3: weren't picking offensive line. So were you surprised that receiver

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Speaker 3: was the pick.

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Speaker 1: No, because I didn't really know where they were going

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Speaker 1: to go. I thought maybe corner could be a possibility,

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Speaker 1: and an offensive line could be a possibility. But at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you're in the first round,

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Speaker 1: you want to take the best player that you possibly can.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about the elite players. There is Latham. Latham,

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Speaker 1: the offensive tackle for for Alabama from Alabama, ended up

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Speaker 1: going to Tennessee. You could make the argument that he

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Speaker 1: was one of the top guys in the draft, and

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Speaker 1: he went earlier than many people thought.

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Speaker 3: Because Joe All went five to Los Angeles and All.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting case study. It's going to be real

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Speaker 1: interesting to watch him. He's uh, he's got jeans. Obviously

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Speaker 1: he got the trades.

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Speaker 3: You probably rushed against his dad.

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Speaker 1: I did. I played against his dad. And this young

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Speaker 1: man from Notre Dame is very long in the legs

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Speaker 1: and so it's going to be interesting to watch watch him.

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Speaker 1: But Latham is an effortless player from Alabama, just athletic.

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Speaker 1: He's big, strong, you know, could he play left? I

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Speaker 1: think he can play left. I guess that's where they've

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Speaker 1: got him slotted to play in Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: And Bill Callahan is considered one of the best offensive

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Speaker 3: line coaches in recent memory. The dad the dad, right?

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Speaker 1: The dad? Uh is the sons? I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If it's not Bill is.

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Speaker 3: Bill is the dad. Bill is the dad who was

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Speaker 3: the head coach at Nebraska.

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Speaker 3: Mason Smith. He tours ACL two years ago. I kind

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Speaker 3: Stay on the offensive side. Well, maybe I know you

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Speaker 1: I like him because he's got a lot of starts

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Speaker 1: But did you like it? I like him. Look at

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Speaker 3: All right, So when we come back, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there's one thing that Tennessee did.

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Speaker 3: All all right, I can't wait to hear it, but

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Speaker 3: I got it, all right. You're listening to Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 3: Brian Sexton in for JP Shadrick. We're back with Jeff

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Speaker 3: sexted along with Jeff Logman, JP Shadwick Ooberturn next week,

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Speaker 3: our friends at Microsoft. I thought it would be fun

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Speaker 3: just too get your answers to a couple of John.

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Speaker 1: Odry's bus today.

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Speaker 3: Since I'm not a big social media guy, are you

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Speaker 3: a big social media guy?

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Speaker 3: I should have asked you to call these questions. John

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Speaker 3: interested in John's answer, you'll find them in today's Ozon

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Speaker 3: mail bag. Ready perfect, Okay, So Brian from Round Rock, Texas,

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Speaker 3: what's to know? What are the top three factors that

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Speaker 3: will determine the success of the season. You can see

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Speaker 3: his or Trevor Lawrence's development, Doug Peterson taking his job seriously, okay, Brian,

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Speaker 3: and help of key players.

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Speaker 1: Well. Health is always a big factor. But at the

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Speaker 1: top is the development of Trevor Lawrence and can he

446
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Speaker 1: take that next step? You know, and that's not easy

447
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Speaker 1: to do. I mean last year, I think what kind

448
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Speaker 1: of kept him from taking that next step was the

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Speaker 1: multiple injuries that he sustained during the season. So he's

450
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Speaker 1: going to have a lot to work with from as

451
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Speaker 1: far as the skill position and weapons go for offensive line,

452
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Speaker 1: where can they be at I think that's a big question.

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Speaker 3: That's number two.

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Speaker 1: I'd say Trevor's development and offensive line. And also number

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Speaker 1: three is the ability to have a new defense and

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Speaker 1: to mesh quickly.

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Speaker 3: If I could add one to that, I would say

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Speaker 3: the ability of the running game to be effective.

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be really better this year

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Speaker 1: because I think you're going to be committed to it. Okay,

461
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Speaker 1: you know running. The big thing about a running game

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Speaker 1: is the commitment to it. They almost for the first

463
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Speaker 1: couple of years, they did a lot of two point

464
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Speaker 1: stance kind of stuff, and I'm not a big fan

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Speaker 1: of that, especially when it comes to look if it's

466
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Speaker 1: third and short and this football team I think needs

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Speaker 1: to get back to handing the ground and running the

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Speaker 1: football a little bit. You can still have the shotgun stuff,

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Speaker 1: but you just need to cut back a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I think on it to be able to have a

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Speaker 1: successful running game or the commitment to it.

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Speaker 3: I know Travis etn is the big playmaker in that

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Speaker 3: offense backfield, but I was excited last year after watching

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Speaker 3: Tank Bigsby. He had a ten carry stretch where he

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Speaker 3: averaged six yards per carry and he didn't get a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of carries, so that stretch is very memorable

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Speaker 3: to me. I would think that another year. And I

478
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Speaker 3: know they couldn't get him on the field a ton

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Speaker 3: because of his past protection limitations.

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Speaker 1: But ball security was you know, he comes struggled a

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Speaker 1: little bit with that and then a couple of times Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then I think the confidence was affected, and it

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Speaker 1: could have been his confidence in himself, but also the

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Speaker 1: coach's confidence in him. Yeah, but he's a powerful guy.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody. Everybody learns from that. Everybody matures from that.

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Speaker 1: And then you move forward.

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Speaker 3: Third and short. If they can start converting third down

488
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Speaker 3: and short, they were near the last worst team in

489
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Speaker 3: the league and third down and two yards or less,

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Speaker 3: that's got to improve. Okay, Jason from North Pole, Alaska,

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Speaker 3: if either one of our two LSU defensive lineman develops

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Speaker 3: into a key player, he thinks the defensive line looks

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Speaker 3: like it could be a major strength. Well, it looks

494
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Speaker 3: like coming off the bus, it could be Holy cow,

495
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Speaker 3: who are these guys. It's like the guys in the

496
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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan animated movie Space Jam when they all all

497
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Speaker 3: the aliens get off the bus and walk into the arena.

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Speaker 3: You're like, what are we.

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Speaker 1: Doing well to be that good? I think it can

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Speaker 1: be a good defensive line, but I think you got

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Speaker 1: to find one more dominant pass rusher. Okay. And when

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Speaker 1: I say that, you know, is that Eric Armstead? Is

503
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Speaker 1: that your second round pick? Is that Devon Hamilton getting

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Speaker 1: back and giving you some push on the inside as well?

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Speaker 1: Is it your further development of some guy that you

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Speaker 1: have on the roster that's you know you've been working on.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that, but you got to have more.

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Speaker 1: The best teams have substitutions that whether you don't lose

509
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Speaker 1: a whole lot, is this team does they do they

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Speaker 1: have the ability to do that? I don't know. I

511
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Speaker 1: think that's going to be a big question that needs

512
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Speaker 1: to be answered in a positive way for this team

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Speaker 1: to take the next step on defense.

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Speaker 3: Would you be open to renting that, in other words,

515
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Speaker 3: going out into the open market some point this summer

516
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Speaker 3: and looking for someone a Bud Dupree.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, or would you rather have it be

519
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Speaker 3: one of those guys? Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean you go back to last year Calebon shaves On. Yeah, okay,

521
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Speaker 1: he was your third outside pass rusher. He didn't do much.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you can find somebody that that can

523
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Speaker 1: replace him in that role as that extra edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: you know, then then do it. Absolutely. Look, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: wrong with Renning.

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Speaker 3: Did you see anything from ysirab Doulah, last year's fifth

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Speaker 3: round pick from Louisville.

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Speaker 1: He struggled. Look, I think he's got some trades, okay,

529
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Speaker 1: and he's got like a really fluid movement to his

530
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Speaker 1: pass rush. But he's got a you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: a smaller guy that doesn't have the length, which is

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Speaker 1: what he is, you've got to have something that gives

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Speaker 1: you that difference making ability on a play. You know,

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Speaker 1: you go back to Dwight Freeny, the get off the

535
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Speaker 1: other guy in Indianapolis. On the other side, Robert Mathis

536
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Speaker 1: had a spin and a whole array of moves and

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Speaker 1: a relentlessness that was I mean on parallel.

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Speaker 3: If you remember that first game in two thousand and

539
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Speaker 3: nine in Indy when you had two rookie tackles and

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Speaker 3: Eugene Monroe and Evan Britton look like Turnstiles and nothing

541
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Speaker 3: against them. They were rookies starting their first game and

542
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Speaker 3: you had those two guys and it was just like,

543
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Speaker 3: you know, where's he coming from next? Where's who coming

544
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Speaker 3: from next? The guy that just got by.

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Speaker 1: You, Yeah, that's David gard was running for his life

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Speaker 1: that day. It's tough, you know, but if you can

547
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Speaker 1: find again, if you can find that third guy on Answid,

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Speaker 1: I think, look, I think you've got a lot of

549
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Speaker 1: tools to be able to pass rush on the inside.

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Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker a guy that can give you some inside rush,

551
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Speaker 1: Eric Armstead, your second round draft pick, Big Roy Robertson Harris.

552
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Speaker 1: Roy's got to get more consistent and he needs to

553
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Speaker 1: stay healthy. Devon Hamilton getting back to being healthy. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think you really need any anything else on

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Speaker 1: the inside, but if you can find a guy that

556
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Speaker 1: you can rent to play on the outside to give

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Speaker 1: you some rotational reps by all means.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Halifax Nova Scotia given the lack of depth at corner,

559
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Speaker 3: and he says perceived lack of depth with some good

560
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Speaker 3: corners available talking about renting again a Dorri Jackson's aving,

561
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Speaker 3: Howard Stefan Gilmore, Patrick Peterson. The later two guys are

562
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Speaker 3: pretty old amongst others. Do you see the Jags going

563
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Speaker 3: corner to add depth or would you stay with the

564
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Speaker 3: young guys. Does mont Terrek Brown give you any hope

565
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Speaker 3: of evolving even further than he did last year, so

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Speaker 3: that you'd be willing to go into camp and say,

567
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with what I got.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to start the process with with

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Speaker 1: having a belief in the guys that you have, and

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Speaker 1: then you kind of see where they're at. You know,

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Speaker 1: once once you get into training camps, go kind of

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Speaker 1: valuate them in the OTAs and then if you if

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Speaker 1: you feel that there's growth being accomplished with some of

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Speaker 1: these younger players, then no, you don't do that. I

575
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Speaker 1: think you have to be open to the possibility of

576
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Speaker 1: running a player at any position, like we're just talking

577
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Speaker 1: about with the edge position or at the corner position.

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Speaker 3: If you've got a quarterback every year the super Bowl

579
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Speaker 3: window is open, right, yes, right, And if you think

580
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Speaker 3: that your quarterback can take a jump and be that

581
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Speaker 3: guy for you, then you've got to be willing, I

582
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Speaker 3: guess to go out and they've got the money, they've

583
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Speaker 3: got cap room to be able.

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Speaker 1: To do it. They got the money. You know. The

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Speaker 1: offensive line would be a position also that I think

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Speaker 1: you've got to take a look at and maybe say, okay,

587
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Speaker 1: can we supplement it there? Can we can we make

588
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: it more competitive? But to go back to the corner position.

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Speaker 1: I really like our draft picks. I think Jerry and

590
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Speaker 1: Jones is going to provide this football team with some

591
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Speaker 1: some strong competition at nickel. And then the young man

592
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Speaker 1: Prince from Prince from Ole Miss three eight. I like

593
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Speaker 1: him watching his film. I really like him.

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Speaker 3: Talking to different people around the league about him. In particular,

595
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Speaker 3: they think his speed is so significant that even in

596
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Speaker 3: a press situation if he gets beat on the line

597
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: of scripts because I can recover. Yeah, I think it's

598
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Speaker 3: like one hundred and eighty to eighty three pounds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a real big guy, but his.

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Speaker 3: Speed is such that he can turn a run.

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Speaker 1: But he's fluid, you know. I mean, speed is one thing,

602
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Speaker 1: but to play that position, you've got to have people

603
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Speaker 1: a lot of times use the term athleticism. Yeah, for me,

604
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Speaker 1: it's fluid because you know, you've got to be able

605
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Speaker 1: to have the fluid turn and run, the fluid flipping

606
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Speaker 1: of the hips. It's a fluidity. Is that a word?

607
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Speaker 1: It is?

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Speaker 3: Now?

609
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Speaker 1: Okay?

610
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Speaker 3: The fluidity physicality I don't believe is a word, but

611
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Speaker 3: we've become accustomed to it in.

612
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Speaker 1: Thirty years in the NFL. Jerry and Jones, I would

613
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Speaker 1: like to see a little bit more physicality, better tackling

614
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Speaker 1: with him, But Prince, I like the fluidness of his hips,

615
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Speaker 1: I like his speed. I think he's got a chance.

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Speaker 3: Final question, Randy from Duval wonders if you add Mac

617
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Speaker 3: Jones and Ezra Cleveland to this year's draft class, round

618
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Speaker 3: six looks really good starting left guard, backup quarterback. In

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Speaker 3: a kick, I'll take Jones and Cleveland over any sixth

620
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Speaker 3: round guard quarterback any day of the week. Obviously, the

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Speaker 3: Jaguars gave up a couple of picks to add a

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Speaker 3: couple of veteran players. Do you take, especially in today's day,

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Speaker 3: a free agency and open windows, a holistic approach and

624
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Speaker 3: just look at the entirety of what you've done in

625
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Speaker 3: the offseason when you get to the later rounds. Yes,

626
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Speaker 3: I think you have to pick stand alone.

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Speaker 1: Second, yeah, I think you have to, and I think

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Speaker 1: that those are are are two especially you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a big fan of a physical guard

630
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Speaker 1: who showed you some abilities with Ezra Cleveland there in

631
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Speaker 1: the season. You went Hey, there's a guy. I mean,

632
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Speaker 1: because you know, there there was one game in particular

633
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Speaker 1: that he played and I think it was the game

634
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Speaker 1: before the Cleveland game, Cincinnati, Cincinnati, and maybe it was

635
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Speaker 1: a game before that. Anyway, it was one of those

636
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Speaker 1: games where you said he was the best offensive lineman

637
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Speaker 1: on the field.

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Speaker 3: It was probably the Houston game.

639
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Speaker 1: In the Houston game, and I said, hands down, he

640
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Speaker 1: was the best offensive lineman on the field in that game.

641
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Speaker 1: And uh, and then he got the injury like two

642
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: weeks later. But I I and the money. Yeah, that

643
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: you resigned him for nice value. That's that's an excellent

644
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Speaker 1: job by the organization as far as executing the trade.

645
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Speaker 1: But then also if you didn't re sign him, you

646
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Speaker 1: kind of okay, now, you did you really make any

647
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Speaker 1: kind of positive investment by giving up the pick, you know,

648
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: if it was just a rental. Look, he showed you

649
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Speaker 1: that he has the trades. Okay, So you acquired the

650
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Speaker 1: player with the trade, which was a minimal cost, and

651
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Speaker 1: then you got him at a very affordable contract. Compare

652
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Speaker 1: his contract to the contract that you ended up giving

653
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Speaker 1: Sheriff to come here to begin it's very different.

654
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Brandon Sheriff is making his cap hit this year

655
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Speaker 3: is twelve million, but I think if you.

656
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Speaker 1: Put his salaries, not that much.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not that bad. When he came. When Brandy

658
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Speaker 3: got here, he signed a three year, forty nine million,

659
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Speaker 3: five hundred thousand dollars contract.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of money.

661
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Speaker 3: It's a lot of money. And I'm looking for what

662
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Speaker 3: Eveland just signed.

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Speaker 1: I think as a Cleveland signed for around nine a year.

664
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Speaker 3: Wow, when did you think Guards would make nine million dollars?

665
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm not taking anything away.

666
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Speaker 1: Just goes to.

667
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Speaker 3: Show Cleveland signe of three years almost fifty million dollars

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Speaker 3: for Brandon three years twenty four million, so less than

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Speaker 3: half good value.

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Speaker 1: Nice. I think that's a really good job there.

671
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Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break.

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Speaker 1: When Cleveland's worth that every day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and especially for the fact that it gives you

674
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Speaker 3: some positional flexibility if you have to hope you don't

675
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Speaker 3: need to leave.

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Speaker 1: The mcguard by leave mcguard stop. You're the general manager.

677
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Speaker 1: I'm just the guy on the radio.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll take a look around the

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Speaker 3: division and get Jeff's thoughts on each of the three

680
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Speaker 3: teams and how they improved themselves through the Draft, and

681
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Speaker 3: then to wrap the show up, we'll talk about some

682
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Speaker 3: of the undrafted rookies who will be making their debut

683
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: here at Rookie Mini Camp this weekend. You're listening to

684
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Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour, normally hosted by JP Shadwick. I'm filling

685
00:31:53,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: in instead, and we're back after this Welcome back in

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00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour, Ryan Sexton along with Jeff Logoman from

687
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: the Miller Electric Center and the Hyundai Studios down at

688
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: EverBank Stadium. A rookie class making its way in this evening.

689
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: Maybe see a couple signings, they do physicals and things

690
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: like that, we'll see. Watch out over the course of

691
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Speaker 3: the weekend. I imagine you will find some we've been

692
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Speaker 3: talking about the Jaguars draft class. Let's look at the

693
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Speaker 3: division and get your thoughts. The colts are where.

694
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Speaker 1: We'll still go too deep for these teams. Well, I

695
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: promise that I'll.

696
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: Just What I really want to do is look at

697
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Speaker 3: the top two picks, because those are guys you expect

698
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Speaker 3: to see any impact from. And I'll throw a couple

699
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Speaker 3: of free agent names and you tell me how much

700
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Speaker 3: better they got. So the cults really didn't do anything

701
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Speaker 3: at free agency. That's not sign the guys. Yeah, they did,

702
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: and they added Joe Flacco as a backup to Anthony Richardson. Well,

703
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: the only reason it's important is Richardson's a guy who

704
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: was so physical he missed a lot of last season.

705
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: Maybe he'll learn to play differently, but maybe he's not

706
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Speaker 3: available for seventeen games. So Flacco might be a big

707
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Speaker 3: deal than you think.

708
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean even if Joe plays, means.

709
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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to try to talk to you,

710
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: and you're the expert. They also signed a big defensive tackle,

711
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: Raykwon Davis. That's about it, Davis. Eh, okay, all right,

712
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: so nothing a free agency then nothing. But when I

713
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Speaker 3: mentioned the first round draft choice, it changes completely. That

714
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: being the tone of your voice. Lattu from UCLA. I

715
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: interviewed him in Detroit before the draft and loved him.

716
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: Thought he was phenomenal, great story with the neck injury

717
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: at Washington, which I.

718
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Speaker 1: Didn't know that initially when I was watching film on him,

719
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Speaker 1: telling you during the break, Yeah, and I'm watching film

720
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Speaker 1: on him, and as I start to get through all

721
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Speaker 1: the supposed top defenders, you know, to me, Latu was

722
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Speaker 1: hands down the best defender in.

723
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Speaker 3: The draft regardless of position.

724
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Speaker 1: Defender, Yeah, best defender in the draft. What did you

725
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Speaker 1: like about him the most? He's he is. They don't

726
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: they can't block him, right, He's effortless, he's strong, he's fluid,

727
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: he's athletic, he's fast, he's got an array of moves,

728
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: and he's smart. There's nothing that he doesn't have. He's

729
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: got a great way of the football. Smarts that he

730
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: plays the game with is tremendous. But he's just so productive.

731
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Speaker 1: I think, like last two years he had like twenty

732
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Speaker 1: three and a half sacks. Who has twenty three and

733
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Speaker 1: a half sacks in their last two years in college?

734
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Speaker 1: So how many?

735
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Speaker 3: To your credit you said you thought he was the

736
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Speaker 3: best defender in the draft. He was the first defensive

737
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 3: player off the board, because remember they had fourteen offensive

738
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: players offense and he was fifteen.

739
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Speaker 1: I was just sitting there when he got picked, and

740
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: I said, Gus is gonna beat over the moon. Gus Bradley.

741
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Speaker 1: He is.

742
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Speaker 3: He is the prototypical.

743
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Speaker 1: LEO defensive coordinator of the Indianapolis Colts former Jaguars coach.

744
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna love law To And so I remember, after

745
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: watching law To, I remember you know, different times, I'm

746
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: watching these podcasts of different draft shows, you know, just

747
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: to hear names, to see what other people are thinking

748
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: about where they kind of feel like players should go,

749
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: because I like to kind of compare that on what

750
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Speaker 1: I see from watching film. And so I heard somebody say,

751
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, how, what do you think the physical condition

752
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: the injury of law To will do to his draft stock?

753
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: And I went, huh, right, you didn't even know.

754
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: I had no idea, right, And so when you watch

755
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: the film, you don't get any indication that this guy

756
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: is playing with any kind of injury that impacts his

757
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: ability to play at an effective rate. He's again, he

758
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: was the best defender in the draft, all right.

759
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Speaker 3: So the Colts had lat too, won Ady Mitchell, the big,

760
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Speaker 3: tall receiver from Texas.

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Speaker 1: Stiff, little stiff, okay, but he's fast. It makes a

762
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: lot of big plays, but he's a little stiff, right,

763
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Speaker 1: all right.

764
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Speaker 3: And then they added a big offensive lineman from pitt

765
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: And you always need those guys in a center from Wisconsin.

766
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: You always need those guys. So just an overall thought,

767
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: they've got a quarterback issue. I don't know that I

768
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: would be able to be comfortable knowing what Anthony Richardson is.

769
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: All you hear out of India is well, will you

770
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Speaker 3: see Anthony Richardson. I hope so. I mean he's a

771
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: local kid from Gamesville. I hope he does well. But

772
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Speaker 3: I question, you know how much better the Colts will be.

773
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: They'll be better on defense.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have taken Anthony Richardson where the Colts did

775
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: right fourth. Overall, I think it was just a he's

776
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: a big project. It's going to take him some time.

777
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he can't get there, but I

778
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: would not have taken him that high. It was interesting too.

779
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw. In the last day

780
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: or so, an article came out and it was quoting

781
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: the Offensive Center that the Colts have the from Alabama.

782
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: Alabama, Yeah, Ryan.

783
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: Kelly, right, And Ryan Kelly was quoted about talking about

784
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: and praising Anthony Richardson's work, ethic, in the way he

785
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: handles himself, which is impressive. And there's no debating the

786
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: athleticism and talent that he has. But athleticism and talent

787
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily compute into playing quarterback. So he's got a

788
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: long way to go.

789
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: Okay, So if you were to rank the Colts one

790
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 3: through four in the Division three or.

791
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: Two, No, I'd put them at three.

792
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: Okay, three seems to be the logical place for three.

793
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: I put them at three.

794
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so that's where they are. Let's talk

795
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: about the Titans. You said third four, Yeah, as you

796
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: go there, because there was something that you didn't like.

797
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 3: They added Calvin Ridley, they traded for Lagerious Snead, the

798
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: two big free agent moves wide receiver in corner, and

799
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: then their top two draft picks are both linemen. You

800
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: mentioned your affection for jac Latham.

801
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a He's a really good pick.

802
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: He's a He was a right tackle at Alabama. He

803
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: did everything in a very effort, effortless manner. Some people

804
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: don't think he can play left tackle. I think he can,

805
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: but I mean this is this is a I mean

806
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: I thought he was the second best offensive lineman in

807
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: the draft.

808
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Who do you think was the first? The kid from

809
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: from Notre Dame, oh Jolt, the tall guy.

810
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he was the best. He was just

811
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: a mauler and he's got length and he's going to

812
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to still even get bigger but Latham

813
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: is just he's naturally charging, He's huge, an athletic.

814
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: He was one of the thirteen guys that was in

815
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 3: Detroit and he was a physical specimen.

816
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: Now, the part that I didn't like the second round

817
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: pick that I was going to ask you about, Okay,

818
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: who was Byron Murphy's cohort at Texas and this is

819
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: the big powerful run stoppers, part time player at Texas

820
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: because he was out of shape, not a team player

821
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: by some of the reports that are coming out, had

822
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: the issue with I think an out driving while in

823
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the recently. Those are all signs to me that go

824
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: red alert, red alert, red alert, stay away. They pitched

825
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: him in the second round. Yeah, you don't draft defensive

826
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: tackles that cannot rush the passer in the second round.

827
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you don't do that. Okay.

828
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: So they are in the fore hoole.

829
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: Then, yes, okay, they belong all right.

830
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: So then I'm guessing that the Texans, based on their

831
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: division title from a year ago, are the team you

832
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: thinks at the top of the division.

833
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: They they've earned it. Okay, so we'll go there, and

834
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: they're in a one hole. So C. J.

835
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: Stroud, obviously you have you talked about him before the draft.

836
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: Last year, you talked about him through the season.

837
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: He is talked about him before he was drafted. That

838
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Speaker 1: it's right. Mean, I was like this guy, this guy,

839
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Speaker 1: I mean, And whenever's this debate about who should be

840
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: the first overall draft picked, and I'm watching Alabama play

841
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: and I'm watching Ohio State play, and I go, who

842
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: are these people that are saying the prospect from Alabama

843
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: should be the first overall pick?

844
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so either six, three, two twenty five

845
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: and CJ. Strout obviously proved it. Here's what they gave

846
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: him a free agency and then I'll give you the

847
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 3: draft picks. Stefan Diggs, the former Buffalo bill who is enigmatic.

848
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I would not have done that. As a general manager,

849
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: I would not have done that.

850
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: Joe Mixon, the running back from Cincinnati, I would have

851
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: done that, who always seems a two hundred and twenty

852
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: five pounds to beat on the Jaguars.

853
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: He had to come touchdowns here. Joe's got a little

854
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: bit left in the tank and he's been a consistent starter.

855
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: And then Daniel Hunter, the pass rusher from Minnesota.

856
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Wish we had him here.

857
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 3: So then you add to that Hall of those three

858
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: free agents. A draft class that's not deep because remember

859
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: they traded the twenty third overall pick to Minnesota and

860
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: the Jaguars then traded with Minnesota and the Jaguars picked

861
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 3: twenty third. But when you look at what they added,

862
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: they added a cornerback, Kamari Lassiter from Georgia. I was

863
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: at Kansas when his dad played, so I know the

864
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: kind of player he is. I don't know how good

865
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: he is, but he'll be a guy who's in your face,

866
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: physical and not afraid to mix it up at the

867
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 3: line of screen.

868
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, uh, to see how he does. He's

869
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: a guy that I watched a little bit of film

870
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: on him, didn't watch a ton because he was not

871
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: considered one of the top cornerback prospects. But the Houston

872
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: Texans are going to make their significant jump with the

873
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: development of c. J. Stroud in that in that passing

874
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: game last year, it was at a level that was

875
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: really never seen before by a rookie passer.

876
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: No, they were tremendous so and Tank Dell was a

877
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: big part of that. Now, Tanks, he's from Wound.

878
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Hope you have a gunshot Wound.

879
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they say that's not going to be something

880
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: that's going to get in his way.

881
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: You hope that he's recovery is yeah, yea hope. But

882
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's scary. And but Stefan Diggs is the

883
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: wild card I think in this and the reason I

884
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it is because he's proven in the

885
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: past to not have his quarterbacks back, so to speak,

886
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: and that he's willing to what's the better way to

887
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: put it. He's a plain diva.

888
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: And the Bills knew that when they traded for him

889
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 3: from Minnesota, and they put up with it to a

890
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 3: certain degree, to a certain point, and then they decided

891
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: it was time to cut bait and move on and

892
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: moved him to Houston. So this is feast or famine right.

893
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: Well here, you know he had he could be good

894
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: and it could be bad, right, could be really bad.

895
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: But they've got, uh the wide receivers that they have

896
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: Tank Dell. Let's say he comes back and he's healthy.

897
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: The other guy from from miss Michigan, a big, tall,

898
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: long guy that runs great, and he's the guy I

899
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: was saying a couple of years ago. This guy is

900
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: really good.

901
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: Right, he had a big game here in Week two

902
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: last year.

903
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: Love him, love him. It's from Michigan, Michigan, and he

904
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: was like a third round pick or something like that.

905
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: He was not a high draft pick. I can't believe

906
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: we're forgetting his name.

907
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 3: We're getting old, Jeff. I just want to make sure

908
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: I got it.

909
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: But uh, he is is. He reminds me a little

910
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: bit of what we just got in the draft. Big, tall, fast.

911
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: Deco Collins.

912
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nico Colin. Nico Collins. I to make sure

913
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: I didn't confuse him with Noah Brown, one of the

914
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: best young wide receivers in the division.

915
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: So now you got Diggs, Dell and Collins, who if

916
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: they are all healthy, if and all acting right.

917
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: To be pretty dangerous. So they got pretty good.

918
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just Dalton Schulz decided to stay for another year.

919
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: Be pretty good. He could have left.

920
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: So I think that they are legitimately the team that

921
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: you put right there number one, And we were sort

922
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: of doing a little schedule prognosticating.

923
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: By the way, Demigo Ryans give him some credit. He's

924
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: a really good coach. He he has done a really

925
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: good job because the general manager that has been there

926
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: for a while, not Jack Easterby, but is.

927
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: Now gone, is gone, he's out of the picture, hitting

928
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: me with everything, and uh, the guy who came from

929
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: from New England and.

930
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: All right, anyway, he he really if you looked at

931
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: some of the moves, many of the moves that he

932
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: made up until Demiico Ryans became the head coach, we're

933
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: kind of looked at as they went through a couple

934
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: of coaches in a couple of years and right back

935
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: to back years. And you bring Dimiko Ryans in and

936
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: did a from a tremendous job. Tremendous job, and especially

937
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean a defensive minded coach to be able to have,

938
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, a quarterback that come in as a rookie

939
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: and to uh to coach a team to the division title,

940
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: tremendous job.

941
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: Nick Cesario, who is against one of those guys who

942
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: came with them.

943
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 1: Phil, he was from the Belichick coaching.

944
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: Tree absolutely, just like at easter Peak was as well.

945
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: All right, so there's a look at the division and

946
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: we'll just kind of stack at Texans, Jags, Colts, Titans.

947
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, that's kind of where it's at. Okay,

948
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: and and the top ones are the best quarterbacks that's,

949
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, the way it should be. And and here's

950
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: the thing we really haven't talk much about our quarterback.

951
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Our quarterback has to take the next big step forward.

952
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: He's got to take the next step. You know. Last year,

953
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: I think the injuries kept him from taking those steps forward.

954
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: When they were eight and three, he still had too

955
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 3: many turnovers, but it looked like he was in command.

956
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, you get the knee,

957
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: and you get the ankle, and you get the shoulder,

958
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: and you get the head, and all of a sudden,

959
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: it just doesn't look.

960
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but whenever eight and three we were sitting there

961
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: going this offense still hasn't even come close to it

962
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: and its stride. The defense was one of the big

963
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: reasons why that team will turnovers. They created.

964
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: Yes, well let's do this when we come back. We'll

965
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about Trevor. Also, we'll do a

966
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 3: little schedule prognosticating, right, it's gonna come out next week.

967
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: Get your thoughts on primetime games. Maybe where they start

968
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: the season, be where the end the season. I have

969
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: a couple of distinct thoughts on that too. We get

970
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: one more segment. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jeff Loghiman

971
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: is here and we will return right after this. All right,

972
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: back for one more se got about five minutes here

973
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: left in Jaguars Happy Hour. So the schedule comes out.

974
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: Wednesday supposedly, Well, yeah, it was.

975
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: There was some talking was going to come this week,

976
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: that we might be talking about it tonight, but they

977
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: didn't get there. I come on, just let's let's go right.

978
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know the NFL, they liked the drama,

979
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: they liked to Can you imagine trying to put that together?

980
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Though?

981
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: You know when Val pinchback and you remember Val, when

982
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: Val used to put he was the broadcast VP. He

983
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: used to go into a room. He didn't have any

984
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: he didn't have any technology. I mean they just kind

985
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: of cut and paste on a on a whiteboard with stickers,

986
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: you know.

987
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: With with venues. Now, there's just so much going on,

988
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: so many und management of all of that. It's a

989
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: huge task.

990
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: And the room is guarded by everything but the.

991
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: Scenes and also the international games you kind of factor

992
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: them in.

993
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: And those are just becoming even more prevalent.

994
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, just want to.

995
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 3: Get your thoughts on who who would you like to

996
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: see the Jaguars open the season against I mean, if

997
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 3: you were going to pick one right out of the gate,

998
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 3: for assume it's going to be primetime. Just for this conversation,

999
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't want it to be a division opponent.

1000
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I just I'm not a big fan of opening

1001
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: up with a division opponent. So I'll choose green Bay,

1002
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: all right.

1003
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: They opened with the Colts last year. I would like

1004
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: to see I'll go with the division. I would like

1005
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: to see that c. J. Stroud Trevor Lawrence matchup. I

1006
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: don't think we're going to see it. I don't want

1007
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 3: to see that right up, Uietly, that is a game

1008
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: the NFL is just going to love having.

1009
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: Green Bay would be a good one now with I

1010
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean Jordan Love and Trevor Lawrence. I mean,

1011
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: that's that's an attractive matchup. And then the other thing too,

1012
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: is it would be good for the.

1013
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: Gate primetime games. How many do you think the Jaguars earned?

1014
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: They didn't.

1015
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: They didn't play all that well in primetime last year.

1016
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: You know, the Bengals game had had promised it was

1017
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 3: a good game down to the end.

1018
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: Well, I mean not counting the London game, because that's

1019
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, that's National those are going to be that. Well,

1020
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: that's obviously not primetime this morning. I would say, you'll

1021
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: get a Thursday night game, and you'll probably get a

1022
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: Monday night game.

1023
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so they were all home last year. You figure

1024
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: at least one of those is away this year. The

1025
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 3: away games are the Eagles, the Bills, the Dolphins, the Lions,

1026
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: the Bears. The Bills would be a good one. Yeah,

1027
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: they played that one in September. There's no chance of

1028
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: that happening.

1029
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: That would be nice.

1030
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, not after we got them last year. But you

1031
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: start to get around November, it starts you could have them.

1032
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to be

1033
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: there in November.

1034
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: You think maybe Thanksgiving Day finally, for the first time

1035
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 3: in Jaguars history, they played the Thanksgiving Day game. They

1036
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: do have a scheduled away matchup at Ford Field.

1037
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: That would be great. I would be for that.

1038
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 3: I used to be able to do the math because

1039
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 3: one year it was Detroit that had the NFC opponent

1040
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: and Dallas had the AFC, and then they would flip

1041
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: flop so that each network had a game. Well, now

1042
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: you got the NFL network game, and and maybe NFL

1043
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: Network is going to see that to Netflix or Amazon

1044
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 3: or whoever. But you have three games, but this might

1045
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 3: be the year.

1046
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that.

1047
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: That you have a Thanksgiving Day a game. I think

1048
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 3: that would be cool to be part of the two.

1049
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: Never had one, No, the only two games the Jaguars

1050
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 3: have not had Giving Day game and the Super Bowl.

1051
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: Of course I have a both this year.

1052
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: That'd be great. Not both.

1053
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see where that one goes. Also, first ever

1054
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 3: trip to Las Vegas.

1055
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new stadium would be cool to see. I'm

1056
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: not a big fan of Vegas. I'm not my kind

1057
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: of town.

1058
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: I listen me either. I was there for the Draft

1059
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: and it was fun. I toured the stadium. It's it's exceptional,

1060
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: especially when you walk in there. I want you to

1061
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: put yourself in the belly of the old Oakland Alameda

1062
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,959
Speaker 3: County Coliseum. Yeah, and of course you'll miss it because

1063
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: you're nostalgic and you love the history of the game.

1064
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 3: But you'll be like, wow, I mean it's a lot

1065
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: different Mars and Venus.

1066
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: It is. So when we go to Vegas, do I

1067
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: need to bring a pack of cigarettes and a whole

1068
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: bag of coins and just sit at the I don't

1069
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: know what is that thing?

1070
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: The slot machine?

1071
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, with handle on it? Are you kidding me?

1072
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1073
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: Where they I.

1074
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: Don't know where teams stay, the hockey teams, right, because

1075
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: because Tim pas who produces our preseason broadcasts, it travels

1076
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: with hockey and they stay right in the casinos, right,

1077
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: they stay in the hotel casino.

1078
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean every hotel is probably a casino.

1079
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: I think there's one or two that doesn't have a

1080
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 3: casino in it. It's like a Marriott off the strip somewhere. Yeah,

1081
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 3: I think the NFL, because.

1082
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: If they're that'll be interesting. We'll see, we'll see.

1083
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: It was fun. Thanks for having me in tonight.

1084
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed it.

1085
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 3: Appreciate catching up. And by the way, the pre show

1086
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: is the best because we talked for an hour about

1087
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 3: what we're cooking.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, the older we get.

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Speaker 3: The more we appreciate good food and good wine. Jeff,

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Speaker 3: have a great rest of your waiting to you all

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Speaker 3: folks too. And JP's back in the seat next Thursday

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Speaker 3: for JAG. Where's Happy Abu