WEBVTT - Alien with Eliza Skinner 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.480 On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.120 women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.440 husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze and 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:16.440 best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi, 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.759 welcome to the Backdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.880 name is Caitlin, and this is our podcast about how 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.880 women are portrayed in movies. Yeah, it's the Beck Dol 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.960 Cast is ah and so today my first time talking 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.040 to anybody today. So that's Oh, I don't know how 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.960 to string a sense together. I only talked to So. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.800 I talked to someone at the DMV today. He was 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.839 very nice. His name was Arnold, and he's like, why 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.040 don't you have a driver's license? And I was like, honestly, 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.840 it's a really long story and and he was like, Okay, 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.720 don't worry about it's mine. So we're very close. Now good. Yeah. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:56.720 Last time I was at the d m V, I 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.800 cried in public because I failed the written test do 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.680 you have to take like in California. I had to 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.280 switch over my Massachusetts license and I had to retake 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.560 the written test, which I did not pass because they 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.480 asked me questions were not relevant to me at all. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.400 They're like, how do you strap in a car seat 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.160 or something like that, and I was like, I ain't 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.640 never having kids? Was that not an option? That was 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:22.720 not an option that was that did not let me 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:28.920 choose that, That was not like, f ain't never having kids? Unbelievable. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.960 The system is ringed. It really is. Yeah, away to 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:35.840 arn all that window for the Glendale d MV. He 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.119 saw my birth certificate today, which is good. It's amazing. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:40.919 I still have it because I've been passing it around 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.760 a stand up stuff recently, just to like why. I 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:50.520 don't know, but I don't know. People enjoy it though? Cool? Yeah, Hey, 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:55.760 should we talk about movies? I don't know. Okay, all right, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.040 let's talk about movies. As we mentioned, this is a 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:03.800 podcast about the portrayal of female characters in movies. Whoops, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.520 A lot of movies don't do it very well. We're 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.160 gonna call it out. But this movie actually does well. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.320 We'll talk about it. But we're here with a guest, 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.760 and let's introduce her again. I'm very bad at talking today. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.680 I I wish I was drunk. Okay, where is the 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.880 Mike's hard? Where is it? Anyway? Our guests here with 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.160 us today. She's a very funny stand up comic. She 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.880 is a writer on The Late Late Show with James Cordon, 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.440 and she has her own podcast called Angry Little Goats, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.440 which she co hosts with Will Weldon, who you might 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.600 remember from our Mad Max Fury Road episode Friend of 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.040 the Cast, Friend of the episode we got all that 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:49.560 hate mail about, Yeah, we did from all those steam punks, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.200 and now we have a new friend of the cast. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.799 Our guest, Ali is this skinner. Thanks for being here, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.120 Thank you for having me. Yeah kind of? Did you 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.639 really get hate mail? When Will came on? We well, 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.480 it was specifically about It wasn't as much as we 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:07.480 would love to blame him for it. Uh No, I 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.720 think I was the target of posts of the vitriol. Well, 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.680 because we did uh Mad Max Herey Road was the 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.799 episode we did with Will and I, I guess called 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.440 out the steampunk culture a little too hard. I guess 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.880 I was a little too tough on the steampunks. And 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:29.880 apparently the steampunks are listening to the podcast because hello steampunk. Hey, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.320 shout out to all of all you dirty steampunks out there. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.600 We still got we still have beef. I think that 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.960 maybe steampunk suit that's the only okay prejudice to have 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.920 versus steampunks. I think it's I don't even know if 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.800 it's that much of a real thing. Like I worked 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.520 on the show When to preach into the cho where 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.040 we were like, hey, we need to find steampunk people 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:55.000 like as far as like a lifestyle thing, and nobody. No, 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.760 we couldn't find anybody. We found. We ended up finding 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.280 one lady who when she showed up, She's like, oh no, 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.560 this isn't my life. If I just have this outfit 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.000 and get paid to wear it for parties. Sometimes I'm like, oh, well, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.360 there are festivals. I got a group onto a steampunk 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.160 festival once because I just wanted to face my fears. 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.200 Did you go? Yeah? I went? Was it super fun? 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.120 It wasn't. It was upset everyone. There were just gears 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:24.040 and and suede vests. It was disgusting. Made me sick. Well, hey, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.080 the movie we're talking about, I think has no trace 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:30.320 of steampunk culture. Culture in this one for that base culture. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.760 The a lot of space culture. Because the movie we're 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:40.800 talking about is Alien yea from nineteen seventy nine, directed 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.080 by Ridley Scott Eliza. Yes, When did you first see 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.359 this movie? What's your history with it? Gosh, I don't know. 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.960 I must have probably seen it for the first time 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.760 in high school. I remember when Aliens came out because 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.840 they're the cover of Mad Magazine was like one of 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.679 the first Mad magazines I had. They did a parody 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.359 of it, and I didn't understand at all, but I 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.839 was like fascinated. So then when I was older, I 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:12.760 saw that. So you saw Aliens before Aliens? Yes? Um? 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:14.520 And uh so yeah. I must have been in high 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.159 school when I finally saw Alien. Got you? What about you, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:22.080 Jamie Yesterday? Nice? Really? Yeah? Wow? As do you like 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.200 sci fi? Um? I don't even know that. I like 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:31.279 movies very much. I like I like cartoons and television, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:36.520 but I and true crime. So did you know? What 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.919 did you know about it going into it? Um? I 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.320 knew that I had to keep reminding myself that it 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.839 was not Aliens, which I watched the first ten minutes 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.560 of before realizing I should be watching Alien. Shoot that 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.159 spoiled so much stuff for you? Yeah, I mean it did. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.560 But also, I you know, sci fi is like not 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.760 my area of extreme interest, so I was sort of 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.440 going into this one, like, all right, we're gonna through this. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.520 We're going to get through this, Jamie, It's going to 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.200 be fine. I got some Jack in the box. I 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:07.839 honkered down and watched the first ten minutes of Aliens, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.920 and then all of the like why is Bill Paxton? 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.520 And this I Oh my God, and then I and 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.480 then I wanted to watch Big Love, but it wasn't 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.240 an option. Time was of the essence well, like yeah, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.679 because one of the interesting things I think about Alien 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:27.040 is uh that initially watching it, audiences didn't know who 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.680 the protagonist was going to be, right, Yeah, So it 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.560 sorts so kind of unfolds and an interesting way the 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.719 the the evolution of each character. I had enough peripheral 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.520 knowledge of like sigurity, we like, I knew who was 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.159 the focus. But other than that, I was just like, 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.880 it takes place in space, and there's a movie that 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.160 is frustratingly sounds exactly like it that I will get 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.600 confused with. But it's space working class. It's true. Yes, yeah, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:01.840 they're like what type of or we don't know. I'm 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:11.440 not important space or moon or I saw the movie, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.200 I think probably in college for the first time, and 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.800 I think I saw Aliens like right after it too, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.360 But that's are the only two I've seen. I have 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.560 not I'll be honest, I prefer Aliens. I think I 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.080 do too. I think the Alien is the better movie 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.280 and certainly better acted, because my goodness, does Bill Paxton 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:35.760 give an insane performance in Aliens. But I don't talk 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.640 about this, I will flip out, I know. I mean, 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.160 he's enjoyable to watch. He's given some pretty cheesy dialogue 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.560 and his acting is extremely over the top, which I 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.800 think is perfectly appropriate. From Time and Twister. He's awful, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.200 but yeah, he's He's capable of performances that ranged from 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:03.560 bad to good. Yep, that's all right, But yeah, I 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.200 think Aliens is definitely more my speed of like an 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:11.480 action guns and stuff. Again, I'm very good with words today, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.840 but they're they're creeping around. Yeah, it's honestly, I did 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.720 not ever really draw this parallel until the recent rewatch 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.200 of Aliens. But it is quite similar to Jurassic Park, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.240 and it's in terms of it's like story structure at 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.160 least um, which is one of my favorite movies ever. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.120 So I was like, oh man, this is basically just 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:34.800 like Jurassic Park. But with aliens instead of dinosaurs. Anyway, Jamie, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:36.840 did did you like the movie? Did you like Alien? 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.160 I did. I enjoyed it as much as I could 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.280 enjoy a sci fi movie, Like I know, like it's 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.920 it's definitely not my wheelhouse, but I I you know, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:46.840 it's like, once you get into it, you're like, Okay, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.280 there's gonna be a creature. It's gonna be covered in goop. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.520 We're gonna we're gonna beat the creature up more goop. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.480 So I was ready for creatures and goop, So dread it. 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.959 What is your whalehouse? If that's not my wheelhouse? Is 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.400 kind of all over at the board. I like old. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.960 I mean most of the movies I like are older, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.199 which we don't usually cover here. Mid century older Like yeah, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:14.040 like forties and fifties is much better. Female characters back then, 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.800 uh some complex? Yeah, A lot of times. I think 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.720 they let them be. They at least have personalities, even 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.360 when therefore, you know, confined to the house. Um. I 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.319 love sci fi, but I have a real bias against 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.160 boy stories. Um stories that are just like all about 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.400 dudes from a male point of fel Like, I really 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.000 it's not I don't look at them and then judge them. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.280 I just honestly cannot connect with them. But I love 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.840 sci fi, and so I've found a lot of um 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.720 sci fi that kind of works around that for me, 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.640 especially books. You've probably even like my love of sci 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:56.160 fi books kind of brought me into well, it's time 0:09:56.200 --> 0:10:02.240 for the Caitlin Rique. Caitlin Rique. This story revolves around 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:07.360 a crew on a spacecraft called the Stroma and they 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.320 have just come back from mining the Moon or or whatever. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.959 They're woken up from there like hyper sleep because there's 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.199 a distress signal or something like that coming from a planet. 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:19.880 They're like, oh man, we gotta go check it out. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.160 And it's a crew of seven people. There's Dallas played 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.240 by Tom Scarrett. He's the captain. Then we've got Brett, 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:30.120 which is Harry Dean Stanton Kine's played by John hurt 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:35.160 Ash is Ian Holme. Parker is yaw Fit Kdo. Then 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:41.440 we've got ripley Okay, Silgournia Weaver, and then Lambert which 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.720 is Veronica cart right, and don't forget Jones e the 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:53.640 cat anyway, introducing m Jones as himself. You know that 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.720 apparently that it was originally all male characters. M it 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.520 doesn't surprise me one it Yeah, it was written, um 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.680 all supposedly written gender neutral, but that means men they're 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.160 with the mast man. And I've heard one of the 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.360 drafts of it was done by Walter Hill, who did 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.280 for forty eight hours another forty hours in Streets of 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.319 Fire and a bunch of stuff. Um and he just 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.560 change he has writing partner, changed those two characters and 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.400 two women, but then didn't change any of the other dialogue, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.120 which I think is son and yeah, like a smart 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.280 thing to be taken away from that. I mean Amy 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.520 Pohler at one point and Knows famously quoted as saying 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:34.640 someone was like, they don't know how to write for women. 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.680 She like, just write a man and then give it 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.240 a woman's name. Just write a person, because guess what 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:46.199 women are? People? Whoa what crazy? Crazy? That's interesting, I mean, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.920 And that checks out with Ripley's character. Is there's not 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.320 I don't know there's she's not put upon as a 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.760 like that's not central to the plot, which I thought 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.200 was kind of refreshing, Like it is very like cold 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.199 and unlikable. Yeah, would you never get to see I mean, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.800 or if you do it's like extremely demonized, and that's 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:12.200 very rarely. You know, the central character, which is nice. Yeah, 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:17.080 because people love bad boys, bad boy, people love seven 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:21.640 seasons of a prestige bad boy. But we never get 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:27.520 we never get even ninety minutes of a bad girl. Yeah. Yeah, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:34.480 back to the very good recap. It's okay. We encourage tangents. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.400 That's what this podcast is all about. So they're on 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.360 a ship and they're awoken because there's like a weird 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.640 distress signal of some sort coming from a planet. So 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.040 they go to check it out and a few of 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.880 the guys are like, oh man, what's this weird alien 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.720 ship it's on this planet. And John Hurt is like, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.080 oh man, there's some weird pods. Better go look inside one. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.920 And then a weird hand a lien is what I 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.440 would like to describe it as, or attaches itself to 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:08.880 John Hurt's face face hugger ugger, that's what we call 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:14.079 him Facebook. And they're like, oh jeez, John, let's get 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.360 you back to the ship. And Ripley he goes straight 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:21.480 through his helmet. Yeah, and the face is a very 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.840 intimate face. One of the well, I mean those and 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.000 the pods are like the beginning of the the overt 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:31.720 sexual imagery, like really really gross. Oh yeah, there's because 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:41.200 pussies are gross. Uh. They're like, we gotta get John 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.160 back on the ship and Ripley is like, oh, that's 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.040 kind of like breaking protocol. He's got to go through quarantine. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.960 She's straight up as like, no way, that's that's against protocol. 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.640 That's not happening. No, and it all like everything would 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.400 have been fine if they just listen to her. But 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:03.120 everybody's like what a count Yikes, rules were made to 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.760 be broken. So we all had killed by alien. Be 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.400 cool about it? Rip, Yeah, totally. So they've they let 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:15.800 him with the face hugged John hurt onto the spacecraft 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.000 and he's in a comma and they're like how do 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.560 we get this thing off? And they try to cut 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.840 it off and then it bleeds acid and they're like, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:24.720 oh funk man, that's crazy. And then all of a 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.000 sudden he's alive and well again, so like well this 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.960 is fine, and then he gives birth through his chest. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:36.560 Basically yeah, there's a lot of birth and oh yeah, yeah, 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.560 there's just dicks lots of birth. The when the face 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.360 huggers on him, you know, like so like what's happening 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.600 is he's impregnated. Yeah, it's impregnant. So he's like basically 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.640 shoving his face hugger dick down his throat kind And 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:52.680 one of the things I find kind of funny about 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.080 it is after it dies, like after it falls off, 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.040 and it's just like dead, and I'm like, dude, I 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:04.240 get it, like New City right at this point, just like, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.920 don't even touch me. I just want to be a 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:11.680 dead spider thing. I already juiced down your throat. So 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:18.160 that's it for me. Speaking of jizz slick transition, Ian 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:25.440 holme ak ash Ak the cyborg robot spoil full of jizz. Yeah, 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.920 he's got jizz blood, man, the worst kind of blood. Yeah, 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.400 there's no will and I actually talked about it on 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.080 the podcast a few weeks ago that we're like, what's 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.600 the worst kind of sci fi blood? We're both like 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:38.320 milk blood, but it's really jizz blood. Yeah, it's the worst, 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.000 totally covered with Yeah, I just get to head skipping. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.960 Take a few screenshots there. Yeah, yeah, just for you know, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.880 I feel like that's the kind of screenshot get you 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.360 to send him like a like like a sexy right 0:15:53.400 --> 0:16:00.240 i'd be like, oh wow, me after seeing roast, I'm 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:06.280 just covered in scoop. Spiritually speaking, yeah, of course. So 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.920 John hurts like man, things are great, and then he 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.240 an alien burst out of his chest, killing him, and 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.520 then the aliens like all right, he I'm gonna go 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.960 hide over here now. So like, oh, show, we gotta 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.240 go catch this thing, and the crew starts looking for it, 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.320 and somehow, in a span of it seems like a 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:28.760 few hours, Yeah, come here, it grows to adulthood, and 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.720 I don't know, a day or something. It's crazy so 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.400 fast it feels like a day. But I feel like 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.720 they don't place enough, like you know, like coming of 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.760 age nostalgia and in regards to how quickly they really 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:49.760 don't want to aliens journey was adulthood? Where was? I 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.440 never realized until you just said that that that was 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.720 the same alien. I was just like, suddenly, there's all 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.200 these aliens on the ship, Like I didn't get that 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.760 it was the same one who grew up. I'm dumb. 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.320 I mean, they don't. It's it's confusing because it's literally 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.800 a baby fetus alien basically. And then in the next 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.480 scene you see it, which is pre probably a few 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.919 hours later you have gotten like a few like like 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.000 some like screeching, growing pain sort of moments of it. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:19.520 I feel like that would have a call like like 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.160 like a shadowy like or like found some some some 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.160 leftover skins. Well, Harry de San does do that, like yeah, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.320 but and I was probably like it's all the aliens. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.359 That's like a sci fi horror trope that I like 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.400 when when creatures are growing and then you see like 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.560 their their shoulder blade like pop out and and they 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.280 shed and there's more goop. I think that that's my 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:48.360 generalization of the genre, just with the pussy goop. Yeah, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.640 pussy give it a little dick goup to. Yeah, well, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.520 the full size alien is a dick with a pussy 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.840 with is Oh wait is this for children? I think, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.920 uh no, yes, we have an audience that reaches like 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:07.840 ages seven to twelve, so we're gonna have to a 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.600 is a nanny with a cuckoo. And I have never 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.320 heard any of those words to describe any genitalia. I'm 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.240 having fun. I was like, oh no, am I missing? 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.720 But they sounded right right, They sounded good, Okay, they 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.720 that sounded like a fun way to to tell a child. 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.000 What's to call her? Dick? Hey, nanny nanni and that's 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.960 a cuckoo? Wait which one's which nanny is? I think 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.760 a nanny's a dick? And see I was saying the 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.399 other man, okay, we could do lit r. I was 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.639 thinking cuckoo because like I was thinking of a woodpecker. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.119 Yeah maybe it was. I don't know, yeah either, right, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:48.720 know what? Anything could be? Anything? So the crew goes 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.040 off looking for this alien and they basically get killed 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.160 one by one and then Ripley's like, all right, well, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.399 I guess I gotta fix everything, and then she escapes 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.600 into the show old but a little surprise and the 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.520 aliens there and she's like, well fuck you then and 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.639 she blows out into space and the end so only 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.000 she and Jones you the cat survived, except do you 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:17.360 know the original ending? The original ending wasting? She makes 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.600 her final like, um a little statement in the log 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.040 the original ending is that the same statement, But then 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.639 the camera reveals that the voice is coming out of 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.320 the aliens, mad that she is dead and the alien 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.119 is the only one who's living. And somehow the alien 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.479 knows how to talk like people, which is it's the 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.679 goofiest thing, but yeah, and the studio was like, hmmm, 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.560 that seems goofy, let's not do that. And also it's 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.360 a bummer so I would have I feel like if 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.760 Sigourney Weaver's character was a man, I wouldn't mind that ending. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.240 Three Well, yeah, I mean it which or bother me 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.040 less because that's still like a hokey and of like 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.240 the alien it learned to speak English, which actually is 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.399 kind of inspiring, and it's grew that fast. It should 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.160 have a few degrees by the end of the thing. Fact, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.280 the alien should have a pH scene. I mean, it's 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.920 not a good time to mention my master's degree in screenwriting. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.040 I don't like to bring it up, but you guys 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:21.879 were the ones who mentioned it, so I think I 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:27.200 did definitely do not mention my manager for that comment. Okay, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:34.520 we would disagree anyway. Also, the chest burster scene, Um, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.600 I can't be the alien person in the world who 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:41.679 experienced seeing Spaceballs before seeing this. I also, yeah, so 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.800 when it happened to Spaceballs, I didn't understand it, but 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:48.080 I was like hilarious, and my mom was like, well, 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.040 it's from this movie, and I was like, don't spoil it. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.560 I'm loving it. Yeah. I definitely saw Spaceballs along before 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.960 I saw Alien and did not really get the reference. 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.520 But now that I've seen Alien, oh, that seems even 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:04.320 more hilarious. There is another like spoofy parody movie that 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.159 you may be familiar with, hot Shots and Hot Shots 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.119 Part Do. Hot Shots Part Do is one of my 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.040 favorite movies ever, and it part Do Part Do and 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:19.359 it parodies a number of films that I had not 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.639 seen when I was but I still thought it was 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.400 the funniest movie ever. I was like, man, this is hilarious, 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.680 and then I but I didn't understand any of the references. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:35.240 Cool story, Caitlin. So this is basically a movie about Ripley, 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.800 like the strong female character being like, hey, you guys, 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.040 you're dumb. We should we should do this thing. That's 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.720 the right choice. And everyone's like no, it's like that's 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:48.840 really unlikable and it's unattractive, and she's like, oh, but 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.159 it's the right thing to do, and they're like, we 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:53.840 don't like you and you're never going to have your 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:56.399 own TV show. And then I'm like, no, wait, this 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:01.320 is about her, not me making it away too personally. Um, 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.359 I mean, can we presume that the reason that the 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.200 rest of the crew is always like, no, Ripley, We're 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:10.640 doing it our way. Who cares about standard procedure. Can 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.959 we presume that it's because she's a woman. Maybe, I 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.120 don't know. I don't think I don't think it's because 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.560 she's a woman, because it is like the compassionate choice 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:22.240 when they do that there, it's never like should we 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:27.720 have cake or pie? It's like should we Yeah, And 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.479 so it's like I will say that I don't think 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.200 it's because she's a woman, And I think that's part 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.520 of the like future utopia they're trying to sell us, 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.720 where it's like, look, there's all kinds of different ages 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.920 of people and races of people, and they all work 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.680 to get in genders of people and they get respected 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.840 just as like whatever. Yeah, I mean, it's not super 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.199 surprising to hear that the characters were sort of written 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:53.080 with the intention of being not genderless, but um could 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.800 be a man or a woman just because yeah, Sigourney 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:01.439 Waver being a woman does not seem to factor in 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.160 that much in the way that she's treated. I think 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.880 that like what's most interesting about her character that wouldn't 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.680 be interesting per se if she was a man. Was 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:14.159 was the coldness and like the clinical like by the 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.760 book attitude that. Yeah, I mean that would be a 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:21.360 character as a man, but it wouldn't be unusual. Yeah, 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.200 she's straight up on Michael Well. And they literally don't 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.880 have her save the cat until the end. You must 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:31.720 understand that with your degree. And again when I think 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.439 it must have been so cool to see it and 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:35.680 not know anything about it and just be like, who's 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.880 that bitch? And I guess it's about this Dallas guy. 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.119 He's the captain. I'm sure that's who this story is 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.240 all about. Or you know these these fun love and 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:49.440