Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and
Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy ze and
Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Beck del Cast. Hi,
Speaker 1: welcome to the Backdel Cast. My name is Jamie, my
Speaker 1: name is Caitlin, and this is our podcast about how
Speaker 1: women are portrayed in movies. Yeah, it's the Beck Dol
Speaker 1: Cast is ah and so today my first time talking
Speaker 1: to anybody today. So that's Oh, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to string a sense together. I only talked to So.
Speaker 1: I talked to someone at the DMV today. He was
Speaker 1: very nice. His name was Arnold, and he's like, why
Speaker 1: don't you have a driver's license? And I was like, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's a really long story and and he was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it's mine. So we're very close. Now good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Last time I was at the d m V, I
Speaker 1: cried in public because I failed the written test do
Speaker 1: you have to take like in California. I had to
Speaker 1: switch over my Massachusetts license and I had to retake
Speaker 1: the written test, which I did not pass because they
Speaker 1: asked me questions were not relevant to me at all.
Speaker 1: They're like, how do you strap in a car seat
Speaker 1: or something like that, and I was like, I ain't
Speaker 1: never having kids? Was that not an option? That was
Speaker 1: not an option that was that did not let me
Speaker 1: choose that, That was not like, f ain't never having kids? Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: The system is ringed. It really is. Yeah, away to
Speaker 1: arn all that window for the Glendale d MV. He
Speaker 1: saw my birth certificate today, which is good. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I still have it because I've been passing it around
Speaker 1: a stand up stuff recently, just to like why. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't know. People enjoy it though? Cool? Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: should we talk about movies? I don't know. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about movies. As we mentioned, this is a
Speaker 1: podcast about the portrayal of female characters in movies. Whoops,
Speaker 1: A lot of movies don't do it very well. We're
Speaker 1: gonna call it out. But this movie actually does well.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. But we're here with a guest,
Speaker 1: and let's introduce her again. I'm very bad at talking today.
Speaker 1: I I wish I was drunk. Okay, where is the
Speaker 1: Mike's hard? Where is it? Anyway? Our guests here with
Speaker 1: us today. She's a very funny stand up comic. She
Speaker 1: is a writer on The Late Late Show with James Cordon,
Speaker 1: and she has her own podcast called Angry Little Goats,
Speaker 1: which she co hosts with Will Weldon, who you might
Speaker 1: remember from our Mad Max Fury Road episode Friend of
Speaker 1: the Cast, Friend of the episode we got all that
Speaker 1: hate mail about, Yeah, we did from all those steam punks,
Speaker 1: and now we have a new friend of the cast.
Speaker 1: Our guest, Ali is this skinner. Thanks for being here,
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Yeah kind of? Did you
Speaker 1: really get hate mail? When Will came on? We well,
Speaker 1: it was specifically about It wasn't as much as we
Speaker 1: would love to blame him for it. Uh No, I
Speaker 1: think I was the target of posts of the vitriol. Well,
Speaker 1: because we did uh Mad Max Herey Road was the
Speaker 1: episode we did with Will and I, I guess called
Speaker 1: out the steampunk culture a little too hard. I guess
Speaker 1: I was a little too tough on the steampunks. And
Speaker 1: apparently the steampunks are listening to the podcast because hello steampunk. Hey,
Speaker 1: shout out to all of all you dirty steampunks out there.
Speaker 1: We still got we still have beef. I think that
Speaker 1: maybe steampunk suit that's the only okay prejudice to have
Speaker 1: versus steampunks. I think it's I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it's that much of a real thing. Like I worked
Speaker 1: on the show When to preach into the cho where
Speaker 1: we were like, hey, we need to find steampunk people
Speaker 1: like as far as like a lifestyle thing, and nobody. No,
Speaker 1: we couldn't find anybody. We found. We ended up finding
Speaker 1: one lady who when she showed up, She's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: this isn't my life. If I just have this outfit
Speaker 1: and get paid to wear it for parties. Sometimes I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: there are festivals. I got a group onto a steampunk
Speaker 1: festival once because I just wanted to face my fears.
Speaker 1: Did you go? Yeah? I went? Was it super fun?
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It was upset everyone. There were just gears
Speaker 1: and and suede vests. It was disgusting. Made me sick. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: the movie we're talking about, I think has no trace
Speaker 1: of steampunk culture. Culture in this one for that base culture.
Speaker 1: The a lot of space culture. Because the movie we're
Speaker 1: talking about is Alien yea from nineteen seventy nine, directed
Speaker 1: by Ridley Scott Eliza. Yes, When did you first see
Speaker 1: this movie? What's your history with it? Gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I must have probably seen it for the first time
Speaker 1: in high school. I remember when Aliens came out because
Speaker 1: they're the cover of Mad Magazine was like one of
Speaker 1: the first Mad magazines I had. They did a parody
Speaker 1: of it, and I didn't understand at all, but I
Speaker 1: was like fascinated. So then when I was older, I
Speaker 1: saw that. So you saw Aliens before Aliens? Yes? Um?
Speaker 1: And uh so yeah. I must have been in high
Speaker 1: school when I finally saw Alien. Got you? What about you,
Speaker 1: Jamie Yesterday? Nice? Really? Yeah? Wow? As do you like
Speaker 1: sci fi? Um? I don't even know that. I like
Speaker 1: movies very much. I like I like cartoons and television,
Speaker 1: but I and true crime. So did you know? What
Speaker 1: did you know about it going into it? Um? I
Speaker 1: knew that I had to keep reminding myself that it
Speaker 1: was not Aliens, which I watched the first ten minutes
Speaker 1: of before realizing I should be watching Alien. Shoot that
Speaker 1: spoiled so much stuff for you? Yeah, I mean it did.
Speaker 1: But also, I you know, sci fi is like not
Speaker 1: my area of extreme interest, so I was sort of
Speaker 1: going into this one, like, all right, we're gonna through this.
Speaker 1: We're going to get through this, Jamie, It's going to
Speaker 1: be fine. I got some Jack in the box. I
Speaker 1: honkered down and watched the first ten minutes of Aliens,
Speaker 1: and then all of the like why is Bill Paxton?
Speaker 1: And this I Oh my God, and then I and
Speaker 1: then I wanted to watch Big Love, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: an option. Time was of the essence well, like yeah,
Speaker 1: because one of the interesting things I think about Alien
Speaker 1: is uh that initially watching it, audiences didn't know who
Speaker 1: the protagonist was going to be, right, Yeah, So it
Speaker 1: sorts so kind of unfolds and an interesting way the
Speaker 1: the the evolution of each character. I had enough peripheral
Speaker 1: knowledge of like sigurity, we like, I knew who was
Speaker 1: the focus. But other than that, I was just like,
Speaker 1: it takes place in space, and there's a movie that
Speaker 1: is frustratingly sounds exactly like it that I will get
Speaker 1: confused with. But it's space working class. It's true. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like what type of or we don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not important space or moon or I saw the movie,
Speaker 1: I think probably in college for the first time, and
Speaker 1: I think I saw Aliens like right after it too,
Speaker 1: But that's are the only two I've seen. I have
Speaker 1: not I'll be honest, I prefer Aliens. I think I
Speaker 1: do too. I think the Alien is the better movie
Speaker 1: and certainly better acted, because my goodness, does Bill Paxton
Speaker 1: give an insane performance in Aliens. But I don't talk
Speaker 1: about this, I will flip out, I know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's enjoyable to watch. He's given some pretty cheesy dialogue
Speaker 1: and his acting is extremely over the top, which I
Speaker 1: think is perfectly appropriate. From Time and Twister. He's awful,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's He's capable of performances that ranged from
Speaker 1: bad to good. Yep, that's all right, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Aliens is definitely more my speed of like an
Speaker 1: action guns and stuff. Again, I'm very good with words today,
Speaker 1: but they're they're creeping around. Yeah, it's honestly, I did
Speaker 1: not ever really draw this parallel until the recent rewatch
Speaker 1: of Aliens. But it is quite similar to Jurassic Park,
Speaker 1: and it's in terms of it's like story structure at
Speaker 1: least um, which is one of my favorite movies ever.
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh man, this is basically just
Speaker 1: like Jurassic Park. But with aliens instead of dinosaurs. Anyway, Jamie,
Speaker 1: did did you like the movie? Did you like Alien?
Speaker 1: I did. I enjoyed it as much as I could
Speaker 1: enjoy a sci fi movie, Like I know, like it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely not my wheelhouse, but I I you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, once you get into it, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a creature. It's gonna be covered in goop.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna beat the creature up more goop.
Speaker 1: So I was ready for creatures and goop, So dread it.
Speaker 1: What is your whalehouse? If that's not my wheelhouse? Is
Speaker 1: kind of all over at the board. I like old.
Speaker 1: I mean most of the movies I like are older,
Speaker 1: which we don't usually cover here. Mid century older Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like forties and fifties is much better. Female characters back then,
Speaker 1: uh some complex? Yeah, A lot of times. I think
Speaker 1: they let them be. They at least have personalities, even
Speaker 1: when therefore, you know, confined to the house. Um. I
Speaker 1: love sci fi, but I have a real bias against
Speaker 1: boy stories. Um stories that are just like all about
Speaker 1: dudes from a male point of fel Like, I really
Speaker 1: it's not I don't look at them and then judge them.
Speaker 1: I just honestly cannot connect with them. But I love
Speaker 1: sci fi, and so I've found a lot of um
Speaker 1: sci fi that kind of works around that for me,
Speaker 1: especially books. You've probably even like my love of sci
Speaker 1: fi books kind of brought me into well, it's time
Speaker 1: for the Caitlin Rique. Caitlin Rique. This story revolves around
Speaker 1: a crew on a spacecraft called the Stroma and they
Speaker 1: have just come back from mining the Moon or or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're woken up from there like hyper sleep because there's
Speaker 1: a distress signal or something like that coming from a planet.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh man, we gotta go check it out.
Speaker 1: And it's a crew of seven people. There's Dallas played
Speaker 1: by Tom Scarrett. He's the captain. Then we've got Brett,
Speaker 1: which is Harry Dean Stanton Kine's played by John hurt
Speaker 1: Ash is Ian Holme. Parker is yaw Fit Kdo. Then
Speaker 1: we've got ripley Okay, Silgournia Weaver, and then Lambert which
Speaker 1: is Veronica cart right, and don't forget Jones e the
Speaker 1: cat anyway, introducing m Jones as himself. You know that
Speaker 1: apparently that it was originally all male characters. M it
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me one it Yeah, it was written, um
Speaker 1: all supposedly written gender neutral, but that means men they're
Speaker 1: with the mast man. And I've heard one of the
Speaker 1: drafts of it was done by Walter Hill, who did
Speaker 1: for forty eight hours another forty hours in Streets of
Speaker 1: Fire and a bunch of stuff. Um and he just
Speaker 1: change he has writing partner, changed those two characters and
Speaker 1: two women, but then didn't change any of the other dialogue,
Speaker 1: which I think is son and yeah, like a smart
Speaker 1: thing to be taken away from that. I mean Amy
Speaker 1: Pohler at one point and Knows famously quoted as saying
Speaker 1: someone was like, they don't know how to write for women.
Speaker 1: She like, just write a man and then give it
Speaker 1: a woman's name. Just write a person, because guess what
Speaker 1: women are? People? Whoa what crazy? Crazy? That's interesting, I mean,
Speaker 1: And that checks out with Ripley's character. Is there's not
Speaker 1: I don't know there's she's not put upon as a
Speaker 1: like that's not central to the plot, which I thought
Speaker 1: was kind of refreshing, Like it is very like cold
Speaker 1: and unlikable. Yeah, would you never get to see I mean,
Speaker 1: or if you do it's like extremely demonized, and that's
Speaker 1: very rarely. You know, the central character, which is nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because people love bad boys, bad boy, people love seven
Speaker 1: seasons of a prestige bad boy. But we never get
Speaker 1: we never get even ninety minutes of a bad girl. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back to the very good recap. It's okay. We encourage tangents.
Speaker 1: That's what this podcast is all about. So they're on
Speaker 1: a ship and they're awoken because there's like a weird
Speaker 1: distress signal of some sort coming from a planet. So
Speaker 1: they go to check it out and a few of
Speaker 1: the guys are like, oh man, what's this weird alien
Speaker 1: ship it's on this planet. And John Hurt is like,
Speaker 1: oh man, there's some weird pods. Better go look inside one.
Speaker 1: And then a weird hand a lien is what I
Speaker 1: would like to describe it as, or attaches itself to
Speaker 1: John Hurt's face face hugger ugger, that's what we call
Speaker 1: him Facebook. And they're like, oh jeez, John, let's get
Speaker 1: you back to the ship. And Ripley he goes straight
Speaker 1: through his helmet. Yeah, and the face is a very
Speaker 1: intimate face. One of the well, I mean those and
Speaker 1: the pods are like the beginning of the the overt
Speaker 1: sexual imagery, like really really gross. Oh yeah, there's because
Speaker 1: pussies are gross. Uh. They're like, we gotta get John
Speaker 1: back on the ship and Ripley is like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: kind of like breaking protocol. He's got to go through quarantine.
Speaker 1: She's straight up as like, no way, that's that's against protocol.
Speaker 1: That's not happening. No, and it all like everything would
Speaker 1: have been fine if they just listen to her. But
Speaker 1: everybody's like what a count Yikes, rules were made to
Speaker 1: be broken. So we all had killed by alien. Be
Speaker 1: cool about it? Rip, Yeah, totally. So they've they let
Speaker 1: him with the face hugged John hurt onto the spacecraft
Speaker 1: and he's in a comma and they're like how do
Speaker 1: we get this thing off? And they try to cut
Speaker 1: it off and then it bleeds acid and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh funk man, that's crazy. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he's alive and well again, so like well this
Speaker 1: is fine, and then he gives birth through his chest.
Speaker 1: Basically yeah, there's a lot of birth and oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just dicks lots of birth. The when the face
Speaker 1: huggers on him, you know, like so like what's happening
Speaker 1: is he's impregnated. Yeah, it's impregnant. So he's like basically
Speaker 1: shoving his face hugger dick down his throat kind And
Speaker 1: one of the things I find kind of funny about
Speaker 1: it is after it dies, like after it falls off,
Speaker 1: and it's just like dead, and I'm like, dude, I
Speaker 1: get it, like New City right at this point, just like,
Speaker 1: don't even touch me. I just want to be a
Speaker 1: dead spider thing. I already juiced down your throat. So
Speaker 1: that's it for me. Speaking of jizz slick transition, Ian
Speaker 1: holme ak ash Ak the cyborg robot spoil full of jizz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got jizz blood, man, the worst kind of blood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no will and I actually talked about it on
Speaker 1: the podcast a few weeks ago that we're like, what's
Speaker 1: the worst kind of sci fi blood? We're both like
Speaker 1: milk blood, but it's really jizz blood. Yeah, it's the worst,
Speaker 1: totally covered with Yeah, I just get to head skipping.
Speaker 1: Take a few screenshots there. Yeah, yeah, just for you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the kind of screenshot get you
Speaker 1: to send him like a like like a sexy right
Speaker 1: i'd be like, oh wow, me after seeing roast, I'm
Speaker 1: just covered in scoop. Spiritually speaking, yeah, of course. So
Speaker 1: John hurts like man, things are great, and then he
Speaker 1: an alien burst out of his chest, killing him, and
Speaker 1: then the aliens like all right, he I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: hide over here now. So like, oh, show, we gotta
Speaker 1: go catch this thing, and the crew starts looking for it,
Speaker 1: and somehow, in a span of it seems like a
Speaker 1: few hours, Yeah, come here, it grows to adulthood, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, a day or something. It's crazy so
Speaker 1: fast it feels like a day. But I feel like
Speaker 1: they don't place enough, like you know, like coming of
Speaker 1: age nostalgia and in regards to how quickly they really
Speaker 1: don't want to aliens journey was adulthood? Where was? I
Speaker 1: never realized until you just said that that that was
Speaker 1: the same alien. I was just like, suddenly, there's all
Speaker 1: these aliens on the ship, Like I didn't get that
Speaker 1: it was the same one who grew up. I'm dumb.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't. It's it's confusing because it's literally
Speaker 1: a baby fetus alien basically. And then in the next
Speaker 1: scene you see it, which is pre probably a few
Speaker 1: hours later you have gotten like a few like like
Speaker 1: some like screeching, growing pain sort of moments of it.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would have a call like like
Speaker 1: like a shadowy like or like found some some some
Speaker 1: leftover skins. Well, Harry de San does do that, like yeah,
Speaker 1: but and I was probably like it's all the aliens.
Speaker 1: That's like a sci fi horror trope that I like
Speaker 1: when when creatures are growing and then you see like
Speaker 1: their their shoulder blade like pop out and and they
Speaker 1: shed and there's more goop. I think that that's my
Speaker 1: generalization of the genre, just with the pussy goop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pussy give it a little dick goup to. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the full size alien is a dick with a pussy
Speaker 1: with is Oh wait is this for children? I think,
Speaker 1: uh no, yes, we have an audience that reaches like
Speaker 1: ages seven to twelve, so we're gonna have to a
Speaker 1: is a nanny with a cuckoo. And I have never
Speaker 1: heard any of those words to describe any genitalia. I'm
Speaker 1: having fun. I was like, oh no, am I missing?
Speaker 1: But they sounded right right, They sounded good, Okay, they
Speaker 1: that sounded like a fun way to to tell a child.
Speaker 1: What's to call her? Dick? Hey, nanny nanni and that's
Speaker 1: a cuckoo? Wait which one's which nanny is? I think
Speaker 1: a nanny's a dick? And see I was saying the
Speaker 1: other man, okay, we could do lit r. I was
Speaker 1: thinking cuckoo because like I was thinking of a woodpecker.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe it was. I don't know, yeah either, right,
Speaker 1: know what? Anything could be? Anything? So the crew goes
Speaker 1: off looking for this alien and they basically get killed
Speaker 1: one by one and then Ripley's like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta fix everything, and then she escapes
Speaker 1: into the show old but a little surprise and the
Speaker 1: aliens there and she's like, well fuck you then and
Speaker 1: she blows out into space and the end so only
Speaker 1: she and Jones you the cat survived, except do you
Speaker 1: know the original ending? The original ending wasting? She makes
Speaker 1: her final like, um a little statement in the log
Speaker 1: the original ending is that the same statement, But then
Speaker 1: the camera reveals that the voice is coming out of
Speaker 1: the aliens, mad that she is dead and the alien
Speaker 1: is the only one who's living. And somehow the alien
Speaker 1: knows how to talk like people, which is it's the
Speaker 1: goofiest thing, but yeah, and the studio was like, hmmm,
Speaker 1: that seems goofy, let's not do that. And also it's
Speaker 1: a bummer so I would have I feel like if
Speaker 1: Sigourney Weaver's character was a man, I wouldn't mind that ending.
Speaker 1: Three Well, yeah, I mean it which or bother me
Speaker 1: less because that's still like a hokey and of like
Speaker 1: the alien it learned to speak English, which actually is
Speaker 1: kind of inspiring, and it's grew that fast. It should
Speaker 1: have a few degrees by the end of the thing. Fact,
Speaker 1: the alien should have a pH scene. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not a good time to mention my master's degree in screenwriting.
Speaker 1: I don't like to bring it up, but you guys
Speaker 1: were the ones who mentioned it, so I think I
Speaker 1: did definitely do not mention my manager for that comment. Okay,
Speaker 1: we would disagree anyway. Also, the chest burster scene, Um,
Speaker 1: I can't be the alien person in the world who
Speaker 1: experienced seeing Spaceballs before seeing this. I also, yeah, so
Speaker 1: when it happened to Spaceballs, I didn't understand it, but
Speaker 1: I was like hilarious, and my mom was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's from this movie, and I was like, don't spoil it.
Speaker 1: I'm loving it. Yeah. I definitely saw Spaceballs along before
Speaker 1: I saw Alien and did not really get the reference.
Speaker 1: But now that I've seen Alien, oh, that seems even
Speaker 1: more hilarious. There is another like spoofy parody movie that
Speaker 1: you may be familiar with, hot Shots and Hot Shots
Speaker 1: Part Do. Hot Shots Part Do is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies ever, and it part Do Part Do and
Speaker 1: it parodies a number of films that I had not
Speaker 1: seen when I was but I still thought it was
Speaker 1: the funniest movie ever. I was like, man, this is hilarious,
Speaker 1: and then I but I didn't understand any of the references.
Speaker 1: Cool story, Caitlin. So this is basically a movie about Ripley,
Speaker 1: like the strong female character being like, hey, you guys,
Speaker 1: you're dumb. We should we should do this thing. That's
Speaker 1: the right choice. And everyone's like no, it's like that's
Speaker 1: really unlikable and it's unattractive, and she's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, and they're like, we
Speaker 1: don't like you and you're never going to have your
Speaker 1: own TV show. And then I'm like, no, wait, this
Speaker 1: is about her, not me making it away too personally. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, can we presume that the reason that the
Speaker 1: rest of the crew is always like, no, Ripley, We're
Speaker 1: doing it our way. Who cares about standard procedure. Can
Speaker 1: we presume that it's because she's a woman. Maybe, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think I don't think it's because
Speaker 1: she's a woman, because it is like the compassionate choice
Speaker 1: when they do that there, it's never like should we
Speaker 1: have cake or pie? It's like should we Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so it's like I will say that I don't think
Speaker 1: it's because she's a woman, And I think that's part
Speaker 1: of the like future utopia they're trying to sell us,
Speaker 1: where it's like, look, there's all kinds of different ages
Speaker 1: of people and races of people, and they all work
Speaker 1: to get in genders of people and they get respected
Speaker 1: just as like whatever. Yeah, I mean, it's not super
Speaker 1: surprising to hear that the characters were sort of written
Speaker 1: with the intention of being not genderless, but um could
Speaker 1: be a man or a woman just because yeah, Sigourney
Speaker 1: Waver being a woman does not seem to factor in
Speaker 1: that much in the way that she's treated. I think
Speaker 1: that like what's most interesting about her character that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be interesting per se if she was a man. Was
Speaker 1: was the coldness and like the clinical like by the
Speaker 1: book attitude that. Yeah, I mean that would be a
Speaker 1: character as a man, but it wouldn't be unusual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's straight up on Michael Well. And they literally don't
Speaker 1: have her save the cat until the end. You must
Speaker 1: understand that with your degree. And again when I think
Speaker 1: it must have been so cool to see it and
Speaker 1: not know anything about it and just be like, who's
Speaker 1: that bitch? And I guess it's about this Dallas guy.
Speaker 1: He's the captain. I'm sure that's who this story is
Speaker 1: all about. Or you know these these fun love and
Speaker 1: engineer fellas her rapscallions. Um wait, so you guys find
Speaker 1: her unlikable because I think they kind of like pain.
Speaker 1: They do. But but she goes on a journey for sure.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm like, I was on board
Speaker 1: with her from like minute one. I'm like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: shouldn't bring this guy who's been attacked by this face
Speaker 1: hugging alien creature. Yeah, it's probably gonna end poorly. Maybe
Speaker 1: do I think this because what I what I know
Speaker 1: of horror sci fi movie? Maybe? I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: called ship with No Alien on it right, you know
Speaker 1: when you're starting it, something's happened. But I really could
Speaker 1: also be that I am an unapologetic rule follower because
Speaker 1: I'm terrified of authority and I'm just like rules. I
Speaker 1: love rules. I wish I didn't hate myself because I do.
Speaker 1: I say f the rules. I like to buck authority.
Speaker 1: I'm actually the same way. And I did find that
Speaker 1: a way to kind of relate to her and respect her.
Speaker 1: But I but you could also see the whole rest
Speaker 1: of the crew was like in it for each other
Speaker 1: and like looking out for each other, and she's the
Speaker 1: one who's being the jerk. The way I saw that
Speaker 1: dynamic was like she's the boss, and the boss does
Speaker 1: not break the rules, and all the I guess subordinates
Speaker 1: as it were, are way more likely to break the rules.
Speaker 1: But she's not even the boss, Like she's not the
Speaker 1: captain and the ship or anything like that. She's not
Speaker 1: even his first command. Until a few other people die
Speaker 1: ashes like the science officer, I thought she and we
Speaker 1: sort of like, yeah, I'm not entirely Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: really know what her role is because they're the ones
Speaker 1: who she she's like the they bicker about it. Because
Speaker 1: he clearly being who and what he is is like filled,
Speaker 1: let's get him in the ship. Yeah, I want to see.
Speaker 1: And then when when they bring him in and it's
Speaker 1: the face hugger through the helmet is just like an
Speaker 1: egg with a vagina in it. It's like the most there.
Speaker 1: This is like scary. Yeah. Apparently the pods, you know,
Speaker 1: the the eggy pod things that they find um and
Speaker 1: they kind of like open with the four pedals. It
Speaker 1: originally was just too it was just like yeah, and
Speaker 1: again the network was like, um, that's too much. Yeah
Speaker 1: there's yeah. They were like they said that they were
Speaker 1: scared they wouldn't be able to show it then like
Speaker 1: Catholic countries or so. Yeah, double the flaps, double the fun,
Speaker 1: that's what I say. Yeah. Oh I got an audible
Speaker 1: laugh from Aristotle. I got it. You earned it into
Speaker 1: Aristotle loves stubble flap. You guys gonna put that on
Speaker 1: a T shirt And I'm suggesting you should put that
Speaker 1: on the We're an enamel pin. Those are hip now
Speaker 1: right Oh yeah, people love the pins. Yeah, buttle picture
Speaker 1: of the egg the pod and a banner on it
Speaker 1: that says Aristotle loves double And then just let the
Speaker 1: people interpret it as sure that was Geiger hr Geiger,
Speaker 1: is that his name that does? Yes? Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: We needed all the like creepy space sex design there
Speaker 1: there seemed to be I mean, I don't know that,
Speaker 1: but like the practical effects in this movie we're so cool,
Speaker 1: especially for the era. Yeah, I mean even the scene
Speaker 1: where Ash's head is off and his body is like
Speaker 1: flapping around, um and he's clearly just like there with
Speaker 1: like the head flap kind of over him, but it
Speaker 1: still looks kind of flawless. It's pretty cool. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: there's I mean just a big mess these days. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. It just looked really I the crap
Speaker 1: out of it, and it would fake and it would
Speaker 1: be and the head would be floating. Uh. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: only part where I was like, oh, this is kind
Speaker 1: of dumb is like when the baby alien bursts out
Speaker 1: of the chest and like you see it kind of
Speaker 1: like scamper across the tape like that, like that it's
Speaker 1: clearly like someone doing some puppet tree that's not very good,
Speaker 1: and you're like, cute baby, or even the look like
Speaker 1: it burst out and it sort of looks at everyone
Speaker 1: but a baby. Yeah, it's a very like not the mama,
Speaker 1: are you my mama? And then uh or what's the
Speaker 1: Alison beckdel book that I can never remember the name of?
Speaker 1: Are you my mother? Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's what it
Speaker 1: says when it bursts out of are you my mother? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just I know that she's that Ripley is not
Speaker 1: like a warm character. She's like very by the book
Speaker 1: in terms of but and she does become like more
Speaker 1: in the Director's Cat there's a scene where, um, man,
Speaker 1: what's the other woman's name, Lambie now, where she straight
Speaker 1: up hits her when they come back in, just slaps
Speaker 1: her across the jaw. Yeah. I made a note that, like,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a bummer to see, like the
Speaker 1: two women characters that there are in this movie be
Speaker 1: kind of hostile to each other. But then I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: Ripley's just stile towards everyone because she's almost always telling
Speaker 1: someone to funk off or screening at their face, and
Speaker 1: it's justified. I think that, you know, women should these
Speaker 1: female characters should be allowed to have to be a
Speaker 1: full range. You don't always you're I also find it
Speaker 1: a little um obnoxious when it's all like cat fighting.
Speaker 1: But I didn't feel like that. No, no, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's happening here. Yeah, that was just really like,
Speaker 1: if you want to be real technical about it, not
Speaker 1: the only female character mother the ship, Mother the ship.
Speaker 1: So I was really hoping Jones was a girl cat
Speaker 1: so we could just have one more. Did they Did
Speaker 1: they nail down with the kind of cat? No? I
Speaker 1: guess not, but jon Z, maybe I just assumed based
Speaker 1: on the name that it was a boycat. But and
Speaker 1: again in Aliens, the cat becomes a little girl. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't become a little girl, but like the same
Speaker 1: trans figures and to a girl. Like same role as
Speaker 1: Power one. The same role is done, but the plot
Speaker 1: device is a little girl instead. Oh and then um,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, the Queen Bee is a lady, a lady,
Speaker 1: she say, she calls mother a bit in this I
Speaker 1: think she calls the alien a bit to get away
Speaker 1: from your bit. YEA great line. Basically, I just like
Speaker 1: how throughout the entire story, Ripley is given a bunch
Speaker 1: of agency. She's making decisions that are usually not obeyed,
Speaker 1: but she's definitely playing an active, like a very active
Speaker 1: role in the story. So we're used to seeing female
Speaker 1: characters like, you know, I want to like, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and not really do anything. You can
Speaker 1: stress about the decision, right, But she's just like, this
Speaker 1: is what we're doing. Listen to me, this is what
Speaker 1: has to happen. No one does and they pay the
Speaker 1: price for it. Yeah. So I just thought it was
Speaker 1: super cool to see her being like, funck off, you guys,
Speaker 1: listen to me, here's the right choice. Do what I say.
Speaker 1: You're painting a picture of yourself, like Ripley is badass.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about Lambert because
Speaker 1: of I read some background on her character, because I
Speaker 1: guess that Veronica cart Right arrived on set believing she
Speaker 1: was going to play Ripley and then they were like, actually, sorry,
Speaker 1: bitch your Lambert, and she was not happy with it.
Speaker 1: And but particular took issue with the character of Lambert
Speaker 1: and how Lambert is more fearful and expresses a lot
Speaker 1: of the fear. And I guess the function of that
Speaker 1: character or the way she was written was, you know,
Speaker 1: she represents the audience and like what we're feeling. Um,
Speaker 1: But I guess that Veronica cart Right took issue with
Speaker 1: that of like, why does that have to be the
Speaker 1: only female care trip besides Ripley Slash. What didn't no
Speaker 1: one tell me? I'm definitely that's the big question. That's
Speaker 1: actually what happened. Um, Because on the other hand, you
Speaker 1: could make a case for it's very interesting to have
Speaker 1: the audience to to expect the audience to relate to
Speaker 1: these two female characters in the most significant ways in
Speaker 1: this sci fi alien movie. Instead, because yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: really feel any connection with anything that one except maybe
Speaker 1: Ash because we're introduced to him mostly as the one
Speaker 1: who's kind of pushing against Ripley. Everybody else was like
Speaker 1: they seem like cool dudes. I also find it interesting
Speaker 1: that it was it's a very classist kind of movie
Speaker 1: that you. I mean, they kind of moved away from that.
Speaker 1: But the whole beginning is then being like, you know,
Speaker 1: how many shares do we get? Like clearly they were
Speaker 1: willing to do whatever within reason just to get this payday.
Speaker 1: There's no executives aboard, there's no like higher socio economic
Speaker 1: class people in there. Um. The guy who comes across
Speaker 1: as though he is the one with the British accent,
Speaker 1: who seems much fancier he's not a human, right, it's
Speaker 1: not a person at all. I love the fancy British.
Speaker 1: It's the best. They couldn't program him to have an
Speaker 1: American accent on the design right there, Like he's he's fancy,
Speaker 1: and that's the hint that you should have picked up
Speaker 1: on the whole time, the only fancy one. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's an Andrews. They're an evil people, yes, the fancies. God,
Speaker 1: that's like Bill Knight and so many movies, especially my
Speaker 1: favorite bad movie I Frankenstein. Where boy, is that a
Speaker 1: remarkably bad one? I love like, that's a fun one.
Speaker 1: That's a fun bad I got one of my one
Speaker 1: of my biggest Twitter pops everr was after I walked
Speaker 1: out of that and tweeted that it was the best
Speaker 1: movie ever written by an Evanescence album in the Sega Genesis,
Speaker 1: and it's still one of my top ranking tweets. It's
Speaker 1: a good one. I didn't know why people cared about that.
Speaker 1: It was a fun one. And also that was like
Speaker 1: the kind of peaceful cinematic experience where like there was
Speaker 1: never anyone else in the theater to experience. I Frankenstein
Speaker 1: felt very personal. Oh my God, like that movie, and
Speaker 1: they thought that they you know, they thought that they
Speaker 1: were like launching a franch franchise because they left it
Speaker 1: open beds, like who you know, Frankenstein Frankenstein. They Frankenstein Frankenstein.
Speaker 1: But Bill Knight in that movie? Anyways? Is is the
Speaker 1: fancy man who that wonderful thing? Like Christopher Walking and
Speaker 1: Jeelie do they are they aware that they're in a movie?
Speaker 1: Did they just walk in there, like say something British
Speaker 1: and he's like all right, and then I like say
Speaker 1: something science e and then he does that and then
Speaker 1: he just steals a b just food from craft services
Speaker 1: and goes home like that's the kind of anyways. By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm pretty sure it's the fancy guy. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure you hold the record for number of references
Speaker 1: anyone who has made ever. I wait, when you said
Speaker 1: I feel bad, I say it like when everyone's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Christopher Walking and Jeli when you were evasive
Speaker 1: about your wheelhouse, did you mean it was Jelie? I
Speaker 1: think it might be only the films of Martin Brest
Speaker 1: are really speak to me. Titanic and is what your wheelhouse? Man? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have to unsubscribe from HBO now because I told
Speaker 1: myself I would do it when The Little Lives was over.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I do want to watch the Jinks again,
Speaker 1: the whole thing, the whole thing. I've seen it nine times,
Speaker 1: but it's time to see it ten times. I gotta
Speaker 1: crossover in a double days baby anyway, Well, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: in I just want to keep harping that. I just
Speaker 1: love how persistent she is, because like everyone keeps feeling like, no, Ripley,
Speaker 1: shut up, We're gonna stay this life, and she's just like, no,
Speaker 1: you're putting us all in danger. Yeah, she doesn't doubt herself.
Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive. Also impressive was how white the white
Speaker 1: areas of the ship were constantly given, how dirty and
Speaker 1: nasty the rest of the ship was, and that there
Speaker 1: was no cleaning crew, the janitorial situation there. I would
Speaker 1: have loved, I really. I tweeted about this morning. I
Speaker 1: got so many actualise from dudes. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: taking this down fine, because I was like, it's too pristine.
Speaker 1: This and Discovery one from two thousand one, just like
Speaker 1: pristine and white spaceship interiors, and it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm filthy, but I have white walls
Speaker 1: and I gotta I gotta touch those up. From time
Speaker 1: to time they turned to eggshell. And especially if you're
Speaker 1: going from moon or into pods, there's no footprints, no
Speaker 1: nothing coming on, and then the dirty parts are like
Speaker 1: very dirty, gusting. Yeah, yeah, especially when yeah, there's I
Speaker 1: mean there's distribute that there's a little bit blood spraying everywhere,
Speaker 1: there's acid blood. Who's cleaning it? And which just eventually
Speaker 1: you got enough jizz blood, enough acid blood, you know,
Speaker 1: there's got to be acid jizz someplace. That's true, or
Speaker 1: acid jazz pretty much the same. Did you know that
Speaker 1: the genre of music in the Cantina in Star Wars
Speaker 1: is called jizz jizz? Yeah? Really? Yeah? You know if
Speaker 1: straight z that's that's smooth rocking jazz right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh man, I want to that's a j jazz. I
Speaker 1: want to play some some jizz, super intiz, super into
Speaker 1: jiz music. Guys. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. If if
Speaker 1: someone asked you what you're like, they're like, what do
Speaker 1: you listen to you? They're like, oh, we're gonna, we're
Speaker 1: just we're just getting to it. Is it called jez?
Speaker 1: And the way that like elevator music is called like
Speaker 1: music is that Maybe I don't know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's one of those like the world, sort of the
Speaker 1: Star Wars world. I'm disappointing Aristotle so intensely because it
Speaker 1: means so much more to him than thinking about double flaps.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Ariostole is putting on his triggered hat right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's people who love Star Wars so much. They've just
Speaker 1: created every Every question that could be asked about Star
Speaker 1: Wars has been answered someplace and agreed in the Star
Speaker 1: Wars universe. That's what that type of music is. Like.
Speaker 1: No one there's never a scene where somebody's like, hey,
Speaker 1: what are those fools playing in the corner and someone
Speaker 1: else is like, don't you know that's jizz. It's just
Speaker 1: something that you know if you if you google it though,
Speaker 1: that's the answer you look at and I get it.
Speaker 1: I gotta gotta ripley self assurance. I found very compelling
Speaker 1: and good to why you know, it's it's it's great
Speaker 1: to see it seem like character They that, but it
Speaker 1: didn't make me it harder for me to relate to her.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, because she's so good at her
Speaker 1: job and so on it and knows the rules backwards
Speaker 1: and forwards, but the I don't know, like and this
Speaker 1: isn't even a criticism, but it's you know, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: good at my job, but I feel like I only hesitate,
Speaker 1: like there's so many, you know, points in any day
Speaker 1: where you're just like, like like there was I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have liked to maybe see like a
Speaker 1: crack like in a character of any gender, though well
Speaker 1: I think that it Also it's a little bit more
Speaker 1: justified in the sequel, when she's already gone through all
Speaker 1: of this and so she's she's not, she has more
Speaker 1: even more reason to be like, no, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: really got to me. This is gonna suck. But this
Speaker 1: is her first rodeo in regards to a lot of
Speaker 1: jizz music or oh no, not the music, the explosive
Speaker 1: milk blood okay, yes, yeah, oh yeah. And this is
Speaker 1: where again in the sequel, you know, when she's confronted
Speaker 1: with Android, she's like, I hate you guys. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna you can't be on the chip. Um and
Speaker 1: he's like, but I'm a nice one, and he does
Speaker 1: and um, but also we do see his just his
Speaker 1: blood too. But I think one of the weirdest scenes
Speaker 1: in the movie that I was like, we don't need
Speaker 1: this was the magazine rape. Yeah, I was very I
Speaker 1: guess he was choking her. Yeah, but yeah, like you
Speaker 1: got hands, man, if you got hands to if you
Speaker 1: have hands to hold a rolled up magazine and try
Speaker 1: to shove in a woman's mouth, you have hands to
Speaker 1: wrap around her neck and choke her that way that
Speaker 1: speaks volumes. Thank you, I did. You can put it
Speaker 1: on a pin. It's going to be along with them,
Speaker 1: it's two pins. Like, yeah, I found that to be
Speaker 1: a very confusing way to try to like suffocate or kill.
Speaker 1: I think that there was just a nut. They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've gone a couple of minutes without rape imagery. What
Speaker 1: can we do? Oh? I know, They're like, let's pay
Speaker 1: tribute to the genre and traditionally you can't break too
Speaker 1: many brriers because yeah, it wouldn't suffocate her. You can
Speaker 1: still because it's a rolled up magazine's I mean it hurt,
Speaker 1: it would be uncomfortable. Also, were her arms pinned down?
Speaker 1: Why was she not? I think she she was. I
Speaker 1: feels like an easy thing to fight off. Easily then
Speaker 1: when everybody comes in and yeah, yeah, yeah Parker. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if like robots have super strength or
Speaker 1: if they do, then again, choke her. That's so much.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like how we're advocating for it's just
Speaker 1: a very cooker. It's like handy, this happens in every episode,
Speaker 1: and it's like them cos like really Scott or whoever
Speaker 1: made this choice was like challenging themselves to like, what's
Speaker 1: a more creative way, what's more out of the box
Speaker 1: way to get a rape on the screen, Like we've
Speaker 1: already had the face hugger. Jeez, what's next? I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: this magazine thing. Now, let's talk about the part where
Speaker 1: John Hurt. A man gets essentially impregnated by an alien
Speaker 1: species and then essentially gives birth to it. Beautiful, beautiful
Speaker 1: thing in any man's life. It's just a natural, partial time.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, as someone who is terrified at the
Speaker 1: just very idea of childbirth, I really enjoyed having to
Speaker 1: see a man sort of go through with it. You see,
Speaker 1: that's like, now you know that pain. It seemed less
Speaker 1: painful to me the idea of actual childbirth because it
Speaker 1: came through his chest, not as nanny or as cuckoo
Speaker 1: and dying not having to raise that would have been fun, though.
Speaker 1: He was like, sorry, guys, I gotta go. I got
Speaker 1: somebody to take care of. No, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many just like sources of horror
Speaker 1: in this movie that don't come just from like this
Speaker 1: big alien attacking people, which is one of the ian
Speaker 1: It's the nies and the cuckoos, right, that's where all
Speaker 1: the Christmas, where all the terror comes, I mean, And
Speaker 1: it really that bummed me out because I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: our pussies like intrinsically terrifying, because like when they looked
Speaker 1: into when they went into the it was an alien
Speaker 1: ship they went into right when they when they leave
Speaker 1: their ship. I think that they did, yeah, because there's
Speaker 1: like the there's the space Jackie there and it's it
Speaker 1: looks terrifying. And I was like, if they had walked
Speaker 1: into a thing that was like full of broken glass
Speaker 1: and like swords and sticks all point, it would have
Speaker 1: been more physically dangerous, but it would not be as terrifying.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't cause as much like terror and uncomfortableity as
Speaker 1: this thing that's like looks like pussies. Right, they're walking
Speaker 1: into two huge vaginas and then the walls are all
Speaker 1: you know, with the production design is very higd, very spooky.
Speaker 1: Giger is a real weird though. He's a real for sure.
Speaker 1: That must have been they were like, we gotta make
Speaker 1: this movie. Oh you know who's a perv? We should
Speaker 1: call up there us? But yeah, and so I was
Speaker 1: because like, like you know how humans are like hardwired
Speaker 1: to hate snakes, and the in any language will get attention.
Speaker 1: And with most animals too. If you're having trouble with
Speaker 1: your cat and you're like get off the counter and
Speaker 1: he just won't listen, try throwing us at him, they
Speaker 1: really don't like it. Yeah, because it sounds like a snake.
Speaker 1: And everything that is evolved. This is what I have
Speaker 1: read that everything that's evolved now that is currently an
Speaker 1: existing species. We're the ones who have not been murdered
Speaker 1: by snakes, um, among other things other predators. But snakes
Speaker 1: are the ones that they're just all over the place.
Speaker 1: They they're they're they're trying to get everybody. So we
Speaker 1: are hard wired to dislike snakes. So the way they move,
Speaker 1: you can't figure out how they how they moved, except
Speaker 1: for like neighborhood we weed dealers who love snakes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but even that, I feel like those people are like
Speaker 1: doing it to test themselves. Like, yeah, I don't, I'm
Speaker 1: not even because you know their one has a pet
Speaker 1: snake and doesn't tell everyone about it. But in the
Speaker 1: same way, I was like, oh, no, are we hardwired
Speaker 1: to be grossed out by pussies? Um, coming from someone
Speaker 1: who does not find pussies sexually attractive, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not grossed out by them, even though they are disgusting.
Speaker 1: Dicks are much grosser, though, I think, well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we had some gross dicks in there too, I
Speaker 1: mean their heads. That's like, come on, take a second pass.
Speaker 1: That's just so obvious. Well, it's like double dicks, Like
Speaker 1: it's like Aristotle is double flaps. The scene where after
Speaker 1: the face hugger alien has like dislodged itself from John
Speaker 1: Hurt's face and comed all into his throat and it's dead.
Speaker 1: It's dead, and they're like kind of poking and prodding
Speaker 1: and it to be like it's like stop, I can't
Speaker 1: right now, I just down, give me, just need a
Speaker 1: few minutes. I mean it's very vaginal slash volvic. I'm
Speaker 1: going to bring that word into just it's not a word.
Speaker 1: Is that a bot? I was like, can I stick
Speaker 1: poke that word into my life? So I don't forget it.
Speaker 1: I often say whenever people say vagina, what they mean
Speaker 1: to say is vulva. It's like saying throat when you
Speaker 1: mean neck exactly, or throat when you mean face or mouth.
Speaker 1: There's nothing I don't anyway. Vulvic is a new word.
Speaker 1: That is, it is a thing now. So you're welcome, everybody.
Speaker 1: The end, Okay, kayle and I loved that story. Thank you. Hey.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any like final thoughts about the movie?
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it yet, we ruined. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: ruined for you, um, but you should see it. If
Speaker 1: you're a fan of Group, if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: Sigourney Weaver or a fine looking Tom Scarrett really look
Speaker 1: at that hot history teacher. Yeah, if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of deceptive fancy men. And I mean if it's a
Speaker 1: fun I mean it's a fun movie. As a person
Speaker 1: that's not that into the genre, I enjoyed this movie. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to say that, I dude, enjoy very much
Speaker 1: that the last three remain like surviving characters are two
Speaker 1: women and a black guy because all the other four
Speaker 1: white dudes they're like, bye, you know, yeah, wasn't Hubris?
Speaker 1: Who knows? But they did? They got dead, they did.
Speaker 1: They got their diet very did. That's all that matters.
Speaker 1: As long as they get diad cool. Hey does the
Speaker 1: movie pass the Bechdel Test? I say yes. With flying colors?
Speaker 1: With flying colors, yeah, I mean there's a there's no
Speaker 1: question about whether or not it passes, because I do
Speaker 1: agree that it does. There's a couple of different scenes
Speaker 1: were Ripley and Lambert talk to each other, but mother,
Speaker 1: what did you throw? Mother? There? That's where I'm talking
Speaker 1: flying colure because she's never like, Mother, how's Dallas? I
Speaker 1: worried about his feelings? She's like, shut this down? What
Speaker 1: are we doing? Well? There's sometimes I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna start dating mother. I know it's going to
Speaker 1: make a weird period joke. Something's happening to my past,
Speaker 1: can you uh? Yeah. There's a scene towards the beginning
Speaker 1: whenever they have woken up and they're like, where are
Speaker 1: we even? Ripley is like, that's not our system. That's
Speaker 1: not that we're not in the right solar system or
Speaker 1: that's that's the first clue things are wrong. And then
Speaker 1: Lambert is like, I know that, So that's a conversation
Speaker 1: do iman are talking about? Not a man? And then
Speaker 1: later on the other part that I noted where it
Speaker 1: passes the test is when it's after Dallas dies and
Speaker 1: Ripley's like, we're just gonna proceed with Dallas's plan. We're
Speaker 1: going to try to trap this alien in like the
Speaker 1: air events, get the alien where we can't see it
Speaker 1: and there has access to the entire ship. It's a
Speaker 1: great plan, perfect And then Lambert's like, and end up
Speaker 1: dead like the others, you're out of your mind. And
Speaker 1: Repy's like, you got a better idea. And then she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's abandon the ship. And everyone's like, so that's a
Speaker 1: like un conversation. But like, there may be other scenes
Speaker 1: where it passes the test, but those are the only
Speaker 1: two that I really nobody up on two. But I
Speaker 1: also wrote down Mother. I don't know if I'm willing
Speaker 1: to count Mother. It was it wasn't. First of all,
Speaker 1: it was named, which is part of this, So it
Speaker 1: wasn't just like computer, and they decided to gender it.
Speaker 1: They could have called it X five seven And in
Speaker 1: two thousand one it's how do you think? How? And
Speaker 1: mother they fuck in time In SpongeBob's Carrepants, it's Karen
Speaker 1: oh Flankton's computer wife. Cool. So anyways, I'm more of
Speaker 1: a cartoon person. There's a there's a computer friend in
Speaker 1: um that movie Moon as well, that Kevin Spacey the
Speaker 1: boys computer. To forget what his name is, though, I
Speaker 1: just remember that the landing pod that he's waiting for
Speaker 1: is Eliza. So through the whole movie, they're like, Eliza
Speaker 1: is a lot closer, and I'm like, stop to get there,
Speaker 1: and you keep saying it cool. Yes, the movie passes
Speaker 1: the Bechtel tests. We are now going to rate the
Speaker 1: movie on our nipple scale. So we have a scale
Speaker 1: that is zero to five nipples. We read it based
Speaker 1: on it. Who is that? That's not right? It? Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. This is a
Speaker 1: great scale to be rating a movie on, and I
Speaker 1: feel like you should never have nipples and fives that's
Speaker 1: not the number that they should ever come in. It's
Speaker 1: like a pegleg of nipples. So Nates. You just got
Speaker 1: one and then the other one is Wooden. Kay, all right,
Speaker 1: yeah it's not the same, but it gets the job done.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like three and a half women
Speaker 1: three Yeah, yeah, I give it three and a half women.
Speaker 1: Yeah is that your real? Okay? Cool? Wait, assuming that
Speaker 1: women have two nipples each, so wait, that's like seven nipples.
Speaker 1: Wait one to three, four, five, three and a half
Speaker 1: times two? Said two and a half? Oh oh sorry,
Speaker 1: I think it's a three and a half. Did I
Speaker 1: say I will never know? There's no way to go
Speaker 1: for us, you know? Yeah, half women? I like, I
Speaker 1: will say that this most recent viewing, and some of them,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a movie. This is so
Speaker 1: gross as a movie. Gussie on the big screen. I
Speaker 1: got to see you on the big screen, and I
Speaker 1: tried to watch this during the day in my apartment
Speaker 1: flooded with light, so it waited for night. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: giving it an idealized five. I'm gonna maybe don't give
Speaker 1: it a half. I'm going to walk out, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to give it a whole number. Okay, and it is.
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to give it a four based
Speaker 1: on its portrayal of the women in it. Um. I
Speaker 1: do think Ripley is a total badass. I like that
Speaker 1: she is very persistent and she's intuitive. She knows I
Speaker 1: mean maybe it's women's intuition. Is that even a thing?
Speaker 1: I don't know, do I have any I don't make
Speaker 1: a mistake. She's just smart, right, she's smart. She's good
Speaker 1: at her job, and she is persistent, and I really
Speaker 1: enjoy seeing that on screen. She sort of Elizabeth Warren type,
Speaker 1: is what she never said. Oh yeah, right, I don't
Speaker 1: know how quotes were. Yeah, if I had any like
Speaker 1: complaints about it, I guess I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I was like maybe helping to see the relationship with
Speaker 1: the other female character to be like a little less hostile.
Speaker 1: But that's not really who really is. So I'm just
Speaker 1: like nitpicking here. I think it maybe deserves a five nipple.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Get back to me. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: in a month. Okay, I'll give it. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it for But they're all they're all sliced down the middle.
Speaker 1: Oh no likes just no crusts. Well there shouldn't be
Speaker 1: crust on them either. I mean, I don't I just
Speaker 1: I supports crusty nipple. I just I wanted to need
Speaker 1: a bucket? Where how is this four of them? And
Speaker 1: then you just what's the name of the production designer
Speaker 1: who who also production podcast put a little crest in
Speaker 1: there if that's his favous call for he has a
Speaker 1: four because, um, I like the genderless aspect to all
Speaker 1: of the characters, but that means that we don't really
Speaker 1: get a lot of perspective on gender in the way
Speaker 1: that a five nipple movie usually Well maybe maybe the
Speaker 1: perspective is it gets to be defined by the individual,
Speaker 1: right maybe, yeah, maybe this movie, just to be clear,
Speaker 1: it is raising the roof right now. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: maybe one day we'll all live in a society where
Speaker 1: our gender doesn't even need to be recognized. Probably not
Speaker 1: though probably No, No, it's the We're like four or
Speaker 1: five months away from a handmaids Tale. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've not seen that, but I did recently see A
Speaker 1: Night's Tale, so I think I'm caught up the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think they have seen the Hulu one, But I
Speaker 1: highly recommend the book terrific very much. Upset you right now.
Speaker 1: It feels like a not too far away dystopian future.
Speaker 1: What am I going to recommend this week? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: recommend season two of Golden Girls and The Jinks preferably.
Speaker 1: Do you like the back to back to back to
Speaker 1: back to back? Yes? This? Well? I okay, I have
Speaker 1: a Jinks viewing planned with my friend this weekend and
Speaker 1: it's the best way to watch the Jinks is the
Speaker 1: Jinks with no bathroom breaks. Oh right, So do you
Speaker 1: guys talk during it at all? Or is there no speaking? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's more like screaming. Okay, if you scream at the
Speaker 1: same time, do you ever, Um, well, I've never watched
Speaker 1: it with this person before. I was about into a
Speaker 1: very long explanation of like, well, sometimes you know if
Speaker 1: it's someone you've watched it with before. And I work
Speaker 1: with a bunch of British people because of the Late
Speaker 1: Late show, and then also this s been off show
Speaker 1: that I worked on. The British people like employing other
Speaker 1: British people. But there's a lot of that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff about American culture. They don't know Jinks. Yeah. Oh interesting,
Speaker 1: So I lied a lot about the different things that
Speaker 1: you could get done with the chains. That's great, yep,
Speaker 1: I love I love a good like slow Burn white
Speaker 1: lie that'll embarrass them like months in the future. And
Speaker 1: I got him the showrunner on the show, very nice guy,
Speaker 1: but he got him so nervous about what phrases were
Speaker 1: actually not used here. He would be like, m well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go get a mug of coffee. Do
Speaker 1: you say that? Do you say muggy here? What is
Speaker 1: that a bit of coffee? Wait? I just thought something
Speaker 1: else about the movie that I have to say. It
Speaker 1: takes longer for the alien fetus to like just j
Speaker 1: in John Hurt's chest than it does for the baby
Speaker 1: to reach adulthood. That that's why you know, that's a
Speaker 1: precious life you can want us inside. I mean, life
Speaker 1: begins hug face, hug whenever a weird alien species comes
Speaker 1: into your throat and plants a baby in your chest.
Speaker 1: It's just what mommy told you, right, Yeah, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is ripe dirty talk too. Yeah. Yeah, next time
Speaker 1: you're with the with the fella, tell me want to
Speaker 1: make them plant his alien seed in your guts, in
Speaker 1: your face hug me. I shudder to think how many
Speaker 1: different disturbing way as a man could interpret that sence. Um,
Speaker 1: he's hung me. Also, um like they since it sounds
Speaker 1: like you guys are kind of new to hr gagor
Speaker 1: this is like kind of the first time you here,
Speaker 1: uh the mark of a real creepy dorm room. A
Speaker 1: Geiger poster? Interesting? What other movies has he done? It's
Speaker 1: not a movie like you could if you google him,
Speaker 1: you'll find like lots of concept art m and uh.
Speaker 1: Like when I was in school, at least they would
Speaker 1: have those poster affairs for all the kids to go
Speaker 1: and decorate their post or less rooms. And there's always
Speaker 1: a bunch of Gaiger stuff. Every poster in a college
Speaker 1: room is the morning Horn. Yes for these sticky robots.
Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of sticky robots. My college roommate
Speaker 1: had a cardboard cutout of major pain and our room
Speaker 1: for a full year and then I never asked her
Speaker 1: how she got it. But eventually it started next to
Speaker 1: her bed, which I didn't like. But then it started
Speaker 1: to inch out into the room, which I really didn't like,
Speaker 1: and then at some point I was like, I like it.
Speaker 1: You want me over, Eliza, Thanks a ton for being here,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks a that for having me. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you on the internet. They can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Addie Eliza Skinner or on Instagram at
Speaker 1: at the Skins. Shouldn't shouldn't have done that, should have
Speaker 1: made it all the same thing, but it didn't. And
Speaker 1: they can listen to my podcast, Angry Little Goats. That's right. Hey,
Speaker 1: what's making you a happy little goat today? Oh? Wow? Today,
Speaker 1: I don't have to answer. I mean, I recommend The
Speaker 1: Handmaiden's Tale, but I feel like I've done that a lot. Actually,
Speaker 1: I really want to go watch all of the Alien
Speaker 1: movies now because also the the new one coming out.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for hoping it will be a redemption
Speaker 1: from the awful that I have not seen. Alien three.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the one with the was it Charles has Dotte.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's the um it's the one where
Speaker 1: she's in like like space jail, just a shaver head,
Speaker 1: bald bald women rule. The bald women rule. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the rule. I think at that point she's a clone
Speaker 1: because they start cloning Ripley, I believe, keep starting in
Speaker 1: the third movie, because she's been the first suited to
Speaker 1: funk up all these aliens exactly. Sigourney Weaver Kanna's Women
Speaker 1: in Stem for this one I think so. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's a science officer. Yeah, hell yeah, she's
Speaker 1: a stem head. I thought of another bald woman woman movie,
Speaker 1: which is I love I love it. This theory actually works.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it works. Are in charge? It's
Speaker 1: just large, it's what who is? What about Empire records?
Speaker 1: Does that ruin it? Oh? You know what? I have
Speaker 1: not seen that movie in so long that I don't
Speaker 1: remember what they look like. I recently tweeted about loving
Speaker 1: dramatic haircuts and movies, and so all these people were
Speaker 1: like sending me head shaving scenes and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that. I meant grab your hair scissors, slink.
Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, I like that. Mulan gets her haircut
Speaker 1: with a fucking sword. Yeah. But the movie I was
Speaker 1: thinking of it was a V for Vendetta y. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: gets a head shaven. But is she in charge? She's
Speaker 1: kind of in charge of her own life, so she's
Speaker 1: maybe argue that she's an authority figure. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: not the authority figure. And she's didn't work for Brittany. No,
Speaker 1: I leave Brittany alone. There's okay. I still think it's
Speaker 1: a triumph that she survived that year. I oh god,
Speaker 1: I think she's great. I'm going to Vegas for the
Speaker 1: first time next month and I and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: really want to go see Brittany. I really do know.
Speaker 1: I understand it. I did you did? Did you enjoy it? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: it's not a great She's also tired. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: when you feel like like you're like, oh, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to do this for me, Brittany, I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I had to make you. And also when they
Speaker 1: line up her songs like that, like one after another,
Speaker 1: you realize that it's like it spells out like um
Speaker 1: like cut out newspaper letter style, like a huge cry
Speaker 1: for help. It's just like the songs are basically all
Speaker 1: like I'm a sexy baby, and no when this since
Speaker 1: to me or knows what I want or feel like,
Speaker 1: how long has it been since Brittany has actually felt
Speaker 1: that way like a sexy baby? Like I said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I feel like she still does feel like a sexy Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's like the message of all of
Speaker 1: her songs are basically like you just you just want
Speaker 1: to suck me. That's it. I might still go see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to tell you not to take
Speaker 1: pictures with her costumes. But also you do know that
Speaker 1: Mine Freak is there too. Oh ship, I'm only there
Speaker 1: for three days, I would say, what's I am? Mine Freak?
Speaker 1: I was recently considering going there just to like line
Speaker 1: up a bunch of magic shows and just go see
Speaker 1: a bunch of magic shows. Dude, I am that kind
Speaker 1: of dark. Would love to see Mine Freak. I used
Speaker 1: to love that show. I used to I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but Mine Freak was my free was miship and I
Speaker 1: used to love the Jamie Kennedy experiment. So I were
Speaker 1: finding out about your whale house. It's garbage. Never wheelhouse
Speaker 1: fucking sucks. I like how this episode has become like
Speaker 1: the last half hour of Lord of the Rings Return
Speaker 1: of the King, where every time you think it's over,
Speaker 1: sorry we keep going. No, I've had so much fun.
Speaker 1: Keep you again, Eliza for being here. It's wonderful time
Speaker 1: ghost seeing the new alien movie. Uh it might be good,
Speaker 1: all right bye