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Speaker 1: just not just the uniforms. Man that speech about you

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Speaker 1: gotta go watch his speech to the team. He basically

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Speaker 1: just said, you guys can all leave. You know I

434
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Speaker 1: did leave. I got some other kids I'd like to

435
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Speaker 1: bring in here. Um, what's our offseason gonna be? Like?

436
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Speaker 1: Off season is gonna be about me trying to run

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Speaker 1: all you guys out of here. That's what our off

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Speaker 1: sn just just unbelievable. Like it it's it's funny. But

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Speaker 1: look here, here's the thing that I will say, because

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Speaker 1: if you looked at the meeting, you heard him talking

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Speaker 1: about old school stuff. Hats off, no ear rings, uh,

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Speaker 1: saving up for class, all those things. I think one

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Speaker 1: of the big misconceptions about Prime is that it's all

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Speaker 1: flash and no substance. And so it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how he puts his old school imprint on this

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Speaker 1: team while still having some of the flamboyance that he's

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Speaker 1: known for. Uh, you talk about a musty deal. Wait,

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Speaker 1: the spring ball and Boulder, that should be interesting. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta make a trip up there and

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Speaker 1: uh and D D T and all your buddies and

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Speaker 1: let me know what that looks like because I want

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Speaker 1: to I need to report back of how that's going

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Speaker 1: up there in Boulder, Colorado. Looking forward to it though.

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Speaker 1: You know again, Dion has been he's been close with Bucky.

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Speaker 1: He's been great to me in my time with him.

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Speaker 1: So we are we're rooting for him. Hopefully everything goes

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Speaker 1: well up there for the Buffs. All right, let's let's

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Speaker 1: take a break here. We're gonna come back give you

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Speaker 1: a little taste of what we were able to get

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Speaker 1: done at the Baseball Winner meetings talking with some some

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Speaker 1: team builders and how that correlates to football. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to that right after this, All right, Buck, We had

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Speaker 1: a blast at the Baseball Winner meetings. We've done this

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Speaker 1: twice now and people might ask, what in the world

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Speaker 1: are guys from NFL Network doing at the Baseball Winner meetings,

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Speaker 1: But we focus on scouting on this on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: On this show, we always are curious about team building

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Speaker 1: and building a winner, building a championship club. And it's

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Speaker 1: great to visit with guys from other sports. We do

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Speaker 1: it all the time. Um, it was great to be

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Speaker 1: with these guys in person. I want to give everybody

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Speaker 1: just a little snippet. Again. We'll release a lot of

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Speaker 1: this content, probably as we get close certain baseball season,

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Speaker 1: will release it. But this is a little snippet from

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Speaker 1: our conversation with the Padres team president A. J. Pruller,

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Speaker 1: and you asked a great question about building the proper roster.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's roll that and when we talk about

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Speaker 1: on the on the back end, DJ and I come

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Speaker 1: from teams where when you're building your team from scratch,

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Speaker 1: you look at the top team in division. You want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you can build a team to

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Speaker 1: beat the building division, because that ensures you get into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Get to the playoffs, anything can happen when

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Speaker 1: you're building your team, for scratch, do you look at

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Speaker 1: the top team in division and kind of use them

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Speaker 1: of the perfect team in mind that's going to win

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Speaker 1: over time? Yeah. I think for the most players about like,

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Speaker 1: you know, what, what's championship level standards. So for us,

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Speaker 1: we talk about, you know, the big stage and that's

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Speaker 1: the World Series, and the team that you know can

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Speaker 1: beat can beat anybody at any time, and what that

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Speaker 1: looks like. And you know, our division and the ind

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Speaker 1: NLS a very competitive division obviously, you know, Dodgers said

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Speaker 1: it set a high bar the Giants, you know, winning

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Speaker 1: Modred eight games or whatever was a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: and and the Diving Backs and Rockies being very competitive.

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Speaker 1: So I think you want to you know, at least

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Speaker 1: factor in hey, you know, whether it's you know, where

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Speaker 1: you're playing at left hand, right hand split, something to

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Speaker 1: stay on some of the team that's strong in a

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Speaker 1: certain area. But in general for us, we're looking more

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Speaker 1: like what should play, you know, big picture, long term,

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Speaker 1: what looks like it will play, you know, as far

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Speaker 1: as putting a championship type team on the field, and

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Speaker 1: that's I think more you know, more and more and

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Speaker 1: more general based and just specific about a team in

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Speaker 1: your division. I think that's interesting, Buck, because we've talked

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Speaker 1: about it before. As you mentioned, you know, hey, the

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Speaker 1: fastest way, the easiest way to give in the postseason

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Speaker 1: is to win your division, and a lot of teams will,

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Speaker 1: you know, try and build their roster to be able

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Speaker 1: to deal with the challenges they have within the division.

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Speaker 1: I think he spoke to kind of more aspirational, saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're not in it to win the whole thing. That

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? So we're trying to find

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Speaker 1: In his words, I wrote down or championship standard, you know,

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Speaker 1: having a championship standard for your positions. And that might

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Speaker 1: be different in terms of you know, what you need

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Speaker 1: at some positions versus others, but I would imagine you know,

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Speaker 1: at those key positions at it was back to what

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Speaker 1: we've always talked about, those key core positions. You gotta

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Speaker 1: have championship players you can fill in around them at

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Speaker 1: some of these other positions that we don't deem as

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Speaker 1: the premium premium spots. Yeah, DJ, I think we've talked

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Speaker 1: about it loosely. We've both come from different places, but

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Speaker 1: I think we've loosely kind of settling on eight to

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Speaker 1: twelve blue chip players are necessary on your team to

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Speaker 1: be at the championship roster. I think you skew more

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Speaker 1: tours twelve. I think I probably settled in around ten

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Speaker 1: or so. But normally you have to have ten to

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Speaker 1: twelve guys that are top five, top ten in their

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Speaker 1: position to be able to compete at a championship standard.

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Speaker 1: So you think about that general rule while also building

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Speaker 1: your team to win in your division. So, for instance,

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Speaker 1: if you're play in the a f C North, you

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Speaker 1: gotta have a team that can deal with cold weather.

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Speaker 1: You gotta deal with big quarterbacks, you gotta deal with

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Speaker 1: the running game. You gotta deal with explosive playmakers. So

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Speaker 1: that means you've gotta have pass fresh as corners. You

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Speaker 1: gotta have a level of toughness to your team to

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Speaker 1: be able to compete when you go out west and

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Speaker 1: you think about the semesis for nine is in the

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Speaker 1: Seattle ce Yhawks and how they get down out there.

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Speaker 1: Very similar but a little different because you have to

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Speaker 1: account for weather and other issues and those things. And

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Speaker 1: so the general point is that we need guys that

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Speaker 1: can play at a high level, Guys that are um

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Speaker 1: I think yesterday we were there, we were talking about

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Speaker 1: uh October guys, Championship guys, postseason players that can get

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Speaker 1: it done when it's got to have a time. And

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Speaker 1: so those guys have to have blue ship qualities. Gotta

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Speaker 1: have not only the athleticism to play making ability, but

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Speaker 1: they also got to have the toughness and the guts

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Speaker 1: to be able to play in those moments. So when

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Speaker 1: you're evaluating players on tape, you have a very clear

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Speaker 1: vision for how this player needs to play and is

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Speaker 1: this player up to snuff, because if he's not a

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Speaker 1: championship standard player, then while we're bringing them in because

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Speaker 1: we're looking to get better, we're not looking to stay

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Speaker 1: status quo. Yeah, And I think it's just collecting as

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Speaker 1: many of those guys as you possibly can. And then

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Speaker 1: I think if you if you focus on building a

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Speaker 1: team with championship standards and to win, you know, a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl championship, you're gonna inevitably have a team that's

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Speaker 1: good enough to compete and do what it needs to

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Speaker 1: do inside your division. I think, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: my my opinion has changed a little bit over the years.

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Speaker 1: If you can't get so, you know, division obsessed, because

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Speaker 1: that can change. You know, you can't control what those

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Speaker 1: other teams in your division are gonna do. Look at

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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. How the dynamic of that football team

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Speaker 1: changed just over a two year period. Really just one

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Speaker 1: guy at Tyreek Hill, you know, coupled with Waddle, Like,

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Speaker 1: those two moves change that entire division. So you might

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Speaker 1: have been building a division or building a team to

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Speaker 1: compete with one version of the Miami Dolphins as an example,

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Speaker 1: and then that team totally pivots and changes, and now

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Speaker 1: you've got a team that doesn't really match up. So

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Speaker 1: I think that the championship standard, I think that's a

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Speaker 1: good a good phrase we can keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: moving forward. You know, DJ is funny. So when you

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Speaker 1: think about championship standard, well, naturally, if my team is

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Speaker 1: my team too is going to be the Kana City Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why because the KND City Chiefs have

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Speaker 1: been in the conversation the last four or five years,

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Speaker 1: if we have to go through Pat Mahomes and company

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Speaker 1: to get to the champ ship, do I have enough

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Speaker 1: ammunition to win a shootout with them? Do I have

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Speaker 1: enough firepower on defense to neutralize what they can do

592
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Speaker 1: from an offensive standpoint? You have to kind of measure

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Speaker 1: your team like that because they're the standard in the bar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills would be in that um that conversation too.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about the Cincinnati Begles because they're just

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Speaker 1: coming from there. So yes, it is this general rule

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Speaker 1: where you looking at the top four or five best

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Speaker 1: teams in the National Football League, the teams that have

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Speaker 1: consistently been in the championship conversation, how does my team

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Speaker 1: stack up against those guys? Do we feel good enough

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Speaker 1: where if we have to go on the road and

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Speaker 1: play them in their place, do we have enough fire

603
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Speaker 1: product to deal with them? I think as a general manager,

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Speaker 1: a team build or a head coach, that vision always

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Speaker 1: has to be in your mind while dealing with what

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with, trying to give them better to compete

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Speaker 1: at the highest level that you can bring them to.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, it's a great conversation. Again, we love talking

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Speaker 1: about team building, and be on the lookout for more

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Speaker 1: of that baseball content as we roll it out. But

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Speaker 1: a chance to visit with these guys from another sport,

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Speaker 1: so be on the lookout for that. I want to

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Speaker 1: encourage everybody watch the Raiders Rams. They're gonna get after

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Speaker 1: it on Thursday Night Football. That is eight fifteen pm

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Speaker 1: Eastern time. That's on Prime Video. You can also find

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Speaker 1: that on NFL Plus. All right, this has been a fun.

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