Speaker 1: Welcome to Car Stuff, a production of iHeart Radio's How
Speaker 1: Stuff Works. Hi, and Welcome to car Stuff. I'm your
Speaker 1: host Scott Benjamin and I am Kurt Garren. And we're
Speaker 1: missing Ben again. Yeah, well that's okay. He'll be back.
Speaker 1: I promise, No, really, he will be back. He's he's around.
Speaker 1: He's just doing other stuff. Probably. I bet we'll hear
Speaker 1: all about incomes back. I hope so where he can
Speaker 1: make something up. Anyway, it's a shame that he's not
Speaker 1: here because he would love the topic we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about today. You know, I feel like he would
Speaker 1: because I've got to be honest with you, Kurt. You
Speaker 1: said we were going to talk about bird scooters. Um,
Speaker 1: which are you know? The electric scooters are a type
Speaker 1: of scooter that has proliferated just about every major city,
Speaker 1: at least the United States, all around the world, I know,
Speaker 1: and in markets like Europe and um, North America, the
Speaker 1: Middle in the Middle East, They're all over the place. Um,
Speaker 1: you nor I have any real experience with you know,
Speaker 1: these these electric scooters. I'm not going to ride one
Speaker 1: of those silly things I have. I'll tell you I
Speaker 1: have a lot of knowledge about them. But I've never
Speaker 1: been on one, and maybe that's going to change soon.
Speaker 1: I think I think I'm due for a ride here.
Speaker 1: But I would bet if I had, if I was
Speaker 1: a betting person, I would bet that Ben is somebody
Speaker 1: that has used these. If not, you know, just once
Speaker 1: or twice, probably a lot. I hope I'm not giving
Speaker 1: anything away that he doesn't want it, but he's he
Speaker 1: lives sort of nearby. He does drive a vehicle, so
Speaker 1: he might be, you know, too far to use one
Speaker 1: of these, but um, I would. I just have a
Speaker 1: feeling that getting around town. He did live real close
Speaker 1: and that was no secret. He he lived real close
Speaker 1: to this building in an old Ford factory as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, which is kind of cool. Um he
Speaker 1: wasn't homeless. I mean they made it into apartments, you know,
Speaker 1: but but I know that, you know, he was real
Speaker 1: close to here. And if you look outside of our
Speaker 1: window right now from our office, we're on the fourth floor,
Speaker 1: and if you look outside, I would bet anything that
Speaker 1: we would be able to spot just on the curb side,
Speaker 1: probably a dozen electric electric scooters on the curb, you know,
Speaker 1: just park waiting for people to use, and probably two
Speaker 1: or three in motion. You know, people on them in
Speaker 1: bike lanes, would you guess, yeah, I would guess so.
Speaker 1: And even and when it's raining, you may even see
Speaker 1: a few in the roadway that have been washed down.
Speaker 1: Have seen that before too from our window out here?
Speaker 1: Have you really washed downstream? Huh? Yeah, well we get
Speaker 1: some torrential drain rain down here, and then you know,
Speaker 1: with all the hills and everything, it ends up being
Speaker 1: like you know, small rivers running through downtown. If it rains,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a disaster practically if it rains more
Speaker 1: than about an inch, and that's you know, part of
Speaker 1: the problem with the scooters is exactly that, the fact
Speaker 1: that they are relatively lightweight and just can be scattered
Speaker 1: about willy nilly. Oh yeah, you know. I know we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that because parking is an issue with
Speaker 1: these as well. But um, just for for those that
Speaker 1: don't know what we're talking about. And I didn't think
Speaker 1: that this is really going to be an issue until
Speaker 1: yesterday when we were talking off air about this, uh,
Speaker 1: this program in particular, and I said, well, every we
Speaker 1: don't really need to describe them because everybody knows what
Speaker 1: these are, right, And you said, probably not. Yeah, most definitely.
Speaker 1: I mean they're in a lot of larger cities in
Speaker 1: the United States and around the world, but there are
Speaker 1: plenty of places that do not have these scooters at
Speaker 1: least owned by these companies, some kind of dispersed everywhere
Speaker 1: as a motor transportation. Yeah. Sure. See you're in a
Speaker 1: city like Atlanta where there's close I mean we're bordering
Speaker 1: on seven million people. Now it's above six million, I believe.
Speaker 1: And uh, and you're gonna find a lot of something
Speaker 1: like this. You go to you know, Dallas, you go
Speaker 1: to where was it you were recently, San Antono, San Antonio,
Speaker 1: San Antonio there there, you go to Miami, you go
Speaker 1: to you know, Los Angeles, San Francisco. They're all over
Speaker 1: the place and some of the bigger cities. Um. In fact,
Speaker 1: I've think I've seen just even this one brand, Bird,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about many different brands, but Bird in particular,
Speaker 1: I think they're in something like a hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: different markets. So and it means I guess cities they
Speaker 1: call them markets. But um, what we're talking about in
Speaker 1: particular here, if you're not familiar, is a kick scooter,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of scooter that you stand up on.
Speaker 1: It's got a little deck and two small wheels um
Speaker 1: handlebar that is coming up off of a stem, you know,
Speaker 1: straight stem in front of you. Normally you would put
Speaker 1: one foot on the deck and then kick like he
Speaker 1: would on a skateboard to get moving, and then put
Speaker 1: your second foot up and coast on it. Right. These
Speaker 1: have a wheel or a wheel motor, a motor in
Speaker 1: the wheel that's an electric and drives these things, and
Speaker 1: it actually is pretty efficient. It moves them along pretty good.
Speaker 1: You would think that I would have a lot of
Speaker 1: difficulty here in Atlanta because of the terrain that I
Speaker 1: just mentioned. You know, it's very hilly here, even in downtown.
Speaker 1: But these really move people along pretty good. I mean
Speaker 1: you get up to speed pretty quick. And I don't
Speaker 1: know what that speed is. I want to say it's
Speaker 1: it's above ten miles per hour. It's probably closer to
Speaker 1: twelve or even maybe I would say between ten and
Speaker 1: fifty somewhere on their speed. Yeah. Again, no personal experience
Speaker 1: on it yet, but I'm gonna get there, and so
Speaker 1: I don't have personal experience on the scooter either, but
Speaker 1: I do have experience being around them being a cyclist
Speaker 1: I don't ride on the belt line often, but it
Speaker 1: is a nice little connector to get from one road
Speaker 1: to another, so I'll hit it every now and then.
Speaker 1: And the scooters are outrage Now the belt line is
Speaker 1: as a walking path, that is, it's like it wasn't
Speaker 1: an old railroad line. Yeah, And they do this with
Speaker 1: many old railroad lines across the country. They turned them
Speaker 1: into bike pass walking past recreational paths, tear the tracks off,
Speaker 1: smooth it out, put some pavement down, and they've got
Speaker 1: some trees nearby. A lot of businesses back up to
Speaker 1: the properties. You can walk, you know, to and from
Speaker 1: businesses that way. Um. I don't know how many miles
Speaker 1: this thing goes, but it's big. It's a long. It's
Speaker 1: a long, uh you know, walking path that is accessible
Speaker 1: to just about everybody downtown really and they're always lengthening
Speaker 1: it on either side. Now they this one here isn't
Speaker 1: it's not continuously very long. It's like maybe two miles
Speaker 1: this section. But they have a bunch of different sections
Speaker 1: throughout the city that they that you can link up
Speaker 1: with bike paths and sidewalks. And there is one that
Speaker 1: is in Smyrna Georgia that goes all the way into Alabama.
Speaker 1: It's called the Silver Comet, and then in Alabama it's
Speaker 1: name changes, but it does keep going for a few
Speaker 1: more miles in Alabama, I think Anniston. Maybe that's just
Speaker 1: actually good ways and yeah, so that's a example of
Speaker 1: one of these trails. It's very long, the Silver Common Trail, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we have to check into that, all right. Well,
Speaker 1: so I think a lot of people are familiar with
Speaker 1: that type of environment in a city. A lot of
Speaker 1: you know, they've repurposed some of these these old train
Speaker 1: tracks or railroad pathways that they left behind once the
Speaker 1: railway has gone or in no longer in use. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we feel we find a lot of traffic on that
Speaker 1: area or in that that walking path there formerly walking path.
Speaker 1: Now it's scooters and bikes and all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Early on, you know, you'd find these things on sidewalks
Speaker 1: as well, and it was a little bit dangerous little
Speaker 1: if he you know, when you walk out of a
Speaker 1: business and you know, a scooter that's running silently just
Speaker 1: zips past you, going, you know, twelve fifteen miles an hour.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit frightening because it happened. It happened often.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of pedestrian scooter collisions, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of you know, scooter car
Speaker 1: collisions that have happened as well. And and well, not
Speaker 1: to let the cat of the bag or anything, but
Speaker 1: I mean there have been several deaths here in Atlanta
Speaker 1: alone that have led to some some abums with with
Speaker 1: the city, between the city and the scooter companies. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot to really talk about here there there.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's not a bad solution for what they
Speaker 1: intended it for. For the micro mobility, I think is
Speaker 1: what they call it, right. Um, it's like the last
Speaker 1: mile transportation is what they often refer to it as.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the scooters are being used in
Speaker 1: that way. I feel like the e bikes have gotten
Speaker 1: more of a grip on that type of situation. They
Speaker 1: they're definitely way more organized, like they have the stations
Speaker 1: where you put the bikes to charge and whatnot. There's
Speaker 1: more of an infrastructure there, whereas the scooters are just uh,
Speaker 1: kind of littered about. So you're talking about the same thing.
Speaker 1: Only bike form that is electric that you like. City
Speaker 1: bike is one of them, and yeah, I think there's
Speaker 1: something called there's one called Jump. Um. I don't remember
Speaker 1: some of the other names of these. I've got a
Speaker 1: list of operators here in city of Atlanta that include,
Speaker 1: you know, the names and the number of units that
Speaker 1: they have, but I don't have them broken down by
Speaker 1: what type of device that they market into in here.
Speaker 1: So there's Um, There's Bird, Bows, Bolt, Gotcha, Jump, Lime, Lift,
Speaker 1: Spin Wheels. All these are operating within the city limits
Speaker 1: of just Atlanta, and you can multiply this by however,
Speaker 1: many large city centers are nationwide and then also worldwide. Um.
Speaker 1: As we said, you know, just one of those companies
Speaker 1: on Bird, I believe operates in something like a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty different markets. Or maybe I'm thinking of Lime.
Speaker 1: I can't remember which, because we had some big news
Speaker 1: recently about Lime. Lime has just decided this month to
Speaker 1: pull out of Atlanta. They're they're removing themselves from the
Speaker 1: Atlanta market because um of some restrictions that have been
Speaker 1: placed on them. Yeah. San Antonio is another place they're
Speaker 1: pulling out of, which I found surprising because I felt
Speaker 1: like they were everywhere in downtown San Antonio. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, Here's the confusing thing is that a lot
Speaker 1: of them look the same, right, These all have the
Speaker 1: general shape and appearance of each other. They might have
Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, like a different sticker
Speaker 1: package or different color combination that they use, you know,
Speaker 1: red and black or purple and black, or green and white,
Speaker 1: or whatever it happens to be. They're all branded in
Speaker 1: a certain way. But maybe you were seeing you know,
Speaker 1: um Bird scooters and thinking they were Lime scooters. And
Speaker 1: it's easy to do, easy to confuse, very easy um
Speaker 1: Or maybe it was you know, I don't know, a
Speaker 1: Bolt scooter, you know, one of the other brands. But
Speaker 1: the point is that you know, right here at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the turn of the year, in Lime has
Speaker 1: decided to pull out of Atlanta, and they are one
Speaker 1: of many companies that has now left Atlanta because of
Speaker 1: some of these restrictions that have been put in place.
Speaker 1: And that's due to the earlier accidents that I mentioned.
Speaker 1: There was a rash of of deaths here in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: really close together, I mean, within a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: of each other. I think there might have been one
Speaker 1: that was spaced out a little bit more, you know,
Speaker 1: and then a couple right in the road in succession,
Speaker 1: rapid succession. That led our mayor UM to decide that
Speaker 1: and these these accidents happened typically at night. So I
Speaker 1: let our mayor to decide that there was going to
Speaker 1: be a ban on these e scooters if they were
Speaker 1: one of these ones that are actually licensed and permitted
Speaker 1: through a bigger company to be run here, not individual
Speaker 1: scooters that people owned. But UM, they decided that there's
Speaker 1: gonna be banned on them during the nighttime hours, and
Speaker 1: that was deemed to be between nine pm and four am.
Speaker 1: So you're not allowed to be on the streets on
Speaker 1: an electric scooter between nine pm and four am here
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. And unless it's your own, if you own
Speaker 1: that scooter, you're fine to do that. If you're on
Speaker 1: personal vehicle, or you can still ride bikes and do
Speaker 1: whatever you want, but you know, within safe reason, lights
Speaker 1: and all that. But there is that band and then
Speaker 1: you know there's also they're changing around the way that
Speaker 1: these things are licensed and permitted to be here. And
Speaker 1: I keep saying permitted, I don't mean they're just saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: you can you can be here. I mean I'm talking like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's money changing hands for this. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to ever permit for each vehicle that you
Speaker 1: have on the street. And you know, all those companies
Speaker 1: that I just named off in a in a row, Bird, Bows, Bolt,
Speaker 1: at cetera, all the way down the list. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the numbers here of permitted devices and
Speaker 1: it comes up to somewhere in the neighborhood. I thought
Speaker 1: I saw a number here of like I shoot, I
Speaker 1: don't have them total up, but it's like ballpark twelve
Speaker 1: thousand vehicles I think is is something like that the
Speaker 1: number of vehicles that are on the street, you know,
Speaker 1: between all these these these companies. However, I will tell
Speaker 1: you this that you know, Lime has now left, but
Speaker 1: they're not the first ones to leave. You know. We
Speaker 1: we had um Lift pulled their scooters off the streets
Speaker 1: as well, Um gotcha took their I think they had bikes.
Speaker 1: I think got youa had bikes maybe um there And
Speaker 1: there was another one that pulled off as well. But
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about you know, taking you know,
Speaker 1: at one swipe, you're taking two thousand of these off
Speaker 1: the streets. You know that are that are licensed by
Speaker 1: companies like Bird, has two thousand permitted devices here in
Speaker 1: the city. Bolt has a thousand, Lime had two thousand,
Speaker 1: Lift had two thousand, Spin has two thousand. Company called
Speaker 1: Wheels has one thousands. So these are the types of
Speaker 1: numbers that we're talking about. They're they're big numbers, and
Speaker 1: there's big money to be earned here. But it's not
Speaker 1: costing the user a lot of money. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just by volume. They do so much business and these
Speaker 1: things are put into you so often that it's profitable
Speaker 1: for the companies to be to still do this even
Speaker 1: with the wear and tear that is associated with these scooters.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. They're marketed as a transportation alternative
Speaker 1: and a more eco friendly transportation alternative at that. However,
Speaker 1: their lifespan is relatively short. Of course, there's maintenance involved.
Speaker 1: There's programs that people get involved with where they go
Speaker 1: and pick up the scooters and then bring them home
Speaker 1: and charge them and um so I just feel like
Speaker 1: all that transport and all that movement kind of negates
Speaker 1: the impact or the lack of impact that the scooters
Speaker 1: have on transportation. It's kind of like the uber situation
Speaker 1: where you have ubers clogging the streets you know, so
Speaker 1: it's like, so you don't you might have less traffic,
Speaker 1: but you saw a bunch of people, you know, pulling
Speaker 1: off on undesignated places, dropping people off, causing traffic issues
Speaker 1: as well. So they're marketed like their minimal impact, but
Speaker 1: they're really not. There's a whole there's a whole movement
Speaker 1: around them that causes issues in that ecosystem. I guess.
Speaker 1: So that's a good point. I've never thought about it
Speaker 1: that way, you know that, you know there we spend
Speaker 1: so much fuel transport them back and forth with you know,
Speaker 1: some of these different programs that they have, and you've
Speaker 1: mentioned that it negates any of the benefit of having
Speaker 1: an electric vehicle to do this type of thing. But
Speaker 1: it's convenient as heck, right, I mean for a lot
Speaker 1: it can be because they're they're marketed. As we said
Speaker 1: earlier on, it was it was marketed initially, or it's
Speaker 1: kind of promoted to the city or whoever they have
Speaker 1: to go through for these permits that they get that
Speaker 1: you know, these are GPS tract of course, they're electric,
Speaker 1: available for rental through mobile applications and you can do
Speaker 1: you have an app on your phone, but they're marketed
Speaker 1: as like the first mile and last mile transportation for commuters.
Speaker 1: So you get off the train at the train station
Speaker 1: and you still have a mile to go to get
Speaker 1: to your office. You know, normally you'd be walking that distance.
Speaker 1: So you can grab a nearby scooter, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: brand that might be, or an e bike, jump on it,
Speaker 1: and it'll cost you. In the case of Bird, it's
Speaker 1: a dollar to start, and then it's fifteen cents per
Speaker 1: mile or sorry not per mile per minute after that,
Speaker 1: and then you immediately shut it off once you're done
Speaker 1: using it and using the app again Parket it's lay old,
Speaker 1: as you know, available for the next user. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's the whole process of how this whole thing works,
Speaker 1: but you get the idea that it's it's a relatively
Speaker 1: cheap way to get around. The average rider spends about
Speaker 1: three dollars and seventy cents per ride on these things,
Speaker 1: so you multiply that by how many rides there are
Speaker 1: in a given area in a given time. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if his Lime again or Bird, I can't
Speaker 1: remember which that I read an article and said the
Speaker 1: first year that they were in production, and both those
Speaker 1: companies that I just mentioned, by the way, started in
Speaker 1: the year seventeen, which is hard to believe because that's
Speaker 1: not that long ago. It seems like they've been around
Speaker 1: longer than that here in Atlanta anyways, or at least
Speaker 1: you know, we've been hearing about them. The first year,
Speaker 1: they made something like more than ten million rides. And
Speaker 1: I know that doesn't translate exactly into dollars, but if
Speaker 1: it's three seventy five average rider per, you know they're
Speaker 1: they're making, you know, lots of lots of money. Let's
Speaker 1: put it that with lots of money. And I know
Speaker 1: there's a huge overhead and maintenance and all that and
Speaker 1: paying employees. Because you said a lot of things there, Kurt,
Speaker 1: in that instance where you're speaking just a minute ago,
Speaker 1: and you were talking about, you know, how they're marketed,
Speaker 1: their programs that are that are set aside for people
Speaker 1: to make money with them. Um, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of problems with them as well. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of things we can talk about here. One thing that
Speaker 1: I want to be sure to talk about it is
Speaker 1: the mechanics programs that they offer for these and the
Speaker 1: charging programs that they offer for them. Now I keep
Speaker 1: using bird as an example, because it's an easy one
Speaker 1: to get information about. They've got a lot of promotional
Speaker 1: material out there and how to type videos and articles.
Speaker 1: If you want to be a bird mechanic, which I
Speaker 1: thought was called an ornithologist up until this point, but
Speaker 1: it's not. I make her laugh. That's good. Hopefully made
Speaker 1: someone laugh, all right, So all right, that's a different thing.
Speaker 1: That's a bird vet alright, So bird bird mechanic. There's
Speaker 1: actually an employment opportunity for fixing and repairing the bird
Speaker 1: scooters and likewise with the other scooters. So if you
Speaker 1: know you lieb or jump or who have you can
Speaker 1: you can do this type of thing. But they also
Speaker 1: have a charging employment opportunity as well. You can take
Speaker 1: them home and charge them for a fixed rate as well.
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, shouldn't say fixed. It's a floating rate
Speaker 1: and it changes based on availability, need all that. Um,
Speaker 1: But you do have to choose one. You can't do both.
Speaker 1: You can't be a charger and a mechanic. You have
Speaker 1: to choose which one you want to do, which career
Speaker 1: path you want to take. And I would say that
Speaker 1: this isn't a career I should say, um, this is
Speaker 1: one of those things that they refer to as you know,
Speaker 1: the gig economy, right, Yeah, this is something that you
Speaker 1: do outside of your normal business operation, you know, like
Speaker 1: I could do this during the day. I could go
Speaker 1: collect bird scooters at night and take them home and
Speaker 1: charge them and put them back on the street during
Speaker 1: the day. Although some people get pretty territorial, Yes they do. Absolutely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot of articles and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't maybe maybe we should not go to in
Speaker 1: depth into that. Let people look into that, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stories there about how people are getting
Speaker 1: a little bit a little bit testy about other people
Speaker 1: swooping in and stealing the birds scooter right in front
Speaker 1: of them. And they say stealing, but you know, swiping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's, as they've said many many times, this
Speaker 1: is kind of like Wild West territory here for a
Speaker 1: lot of because it's they don't know how to not
Speaker 1: anybody really has a specific set of rules or laws
Speaker 1: laid down how to handle it self governed and you
Speaker 1: know how that goes, Yeah, exactly. So you can sign
Speaker 1: up to be a mechanic, you can sign up to
Speaker 1: be a a charger, and you just kind of have
Speaker 1: to play the game. However, however, you know other people
Speaker 1: have been doing it, and then you can maybe adapt
Speaker 1: and change and you can make a fair amount of
Speaker 1: money doing either one. Really, but there are some pros
Speaker 1: and cons and you should definitely look into both because
Speaker 1: you know, hear really good stories about, you know, both
Speaker 1: sides of this thing. You know, like it's it's really
Speaker 1: great to be a scooter mechanic because of this, and
Speaker 1: you can also find like I thought I would wanted
Speaker 1: to be this, but man, it's been a headache. You know,
Speaker 1: I've had a barely made any money and it's really difficult.
Speaker 1: Or the charging thing. You know, I really thought I
Speaker 1: had a plan worked out. It was gonna make a
Speaker 1: ton of money every night, but it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: And then you hear the other one where there's a
Speaker 1: high school kid that makes sick hundred dollars a night
Speaker 1: charging Bird scooters in California. And I read that story
Speaker 1: and you know, it's amazing that a high schooler could
Speaker 1: do that and still go to high school and still
Speaker 1: make six hundred bucks a night doing this. That's that's
Speaker 1: a remarkable success story for him, right, just an extra job,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people are doing that just to
Speaker 1: make a little bit extra money, and they're happy with
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you make um, you know, maybe make
Speaker 1: fifty bucks a night and you can go out to
Speaker 1: dinner the next night. They're happy with that. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just a little spending cash, a little little beer
Speaker 1: money on the side, you know. So there's there's there's mechanics,
Speaker 1: there's charging you. You're making a few dollars per repair,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know, you know what the
Speaker 1: exact amount is here, but I've seen numbers like fifteen
Speaker 1: dollars for one of the more complex repairs that you
Speaker 1: can do, which is probably like break adjustment, you know,
Speaker 1: wheel changing, that type of thing, ten dollars. If you
Speaker 1: are collecting these scooters and then finding that you can't
Speaker 1: repair them, you have to take them to a facility
Speaker 1: where they can repair them. That takes care of, you know,
Speaker 1: something a little more complicated or something a little more
Speaker 1: proprietary for the company. You can drop them off of
Speaker 1: these these distribution centers where they they gather them, repair them,
Speaker 1: and then send it back out. There's some actual company
Speaker 1: mechanics that handle that stuff. And then there's also another
Speaker 1: like a different version of that that's like a five
Speaker 1: dollar captured charge. So you know, there's there's all these
Speaker 1: different Yeah, capture, you can capture birds, right, that's a
Speaker 1: and then they do you know, they play with the
Speaker 1: words limes charging. People are called juicers. I just find
Speaker 1: that clever. A lime juicer. Yeah, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: good one. I like that. But yeah, the bird thing
Speaker 1: is the same way you capture birds. You know, the
Speaker 1: birds when the alarm is going off because someone's tampered
Speaker 1: with it, it's called you know, it's chirping at you.
Speaker 1: That's cute, yes, sort of cute, right, um. But the part, oh,
Speaker 1: that's something we should mention too, is that people are
Speaker 1: scavenging parts from these things. So you know, the good
Speaker 1: side of this is that people are getting use them
Speaker 1: to get around, and a lot of people are. There's
Speaker 1: some bad sides to one. Might be one bad side
Speaker 1: might be the whole origin of this thing, and that
Speaker 1: a lot of the company has found that they were
Speaker 1: going to or decided at some point, rather than to
Speaker 1: ask permission and then be denied of access to the city,
Speaker 1: they're going to dump off five hundred scooters into town overnight.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of flood the market with their scooters
Speaker 1: and you know there, of course they're ready to go.
Speaker 1: They don't have any storefront to open or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just all through you know, it's all paid through
Speaker 1: an app. They might dump off the five hundred scooters
Speaker 1: and then ask for forgiveness later. And then of course
Speaker 1: as they're still making money, as they're still profiting on this,
Speaker 1: they say, well, look they're already in place and we've
Speaker 1: had this many rides. They need it, and they can
Speaker 1: kind of make a case for themselves. Then the city
Speaker 1: has to figure out how we're going to regulate this,
Speaker 1: how we're going to charge you for this, and they do.
Speaker 1: They charge them a a purse scooter fee, and you know,
Speaker 1: that could be a huge number for a whole fleet
Speaker 1: of scooters. You know, there's their standards. I guess there
Speaker 1: are numbers that are generally I guess abided by if
Speaker 1: you want to call it that, their rule of thumb numbers.
Speaker 1: If you want, I'm showing you my thumb like that
Speaker 1: ruw thumb rule of thumb numbers for the number of
Speaker 1: vehicles that you need for certain populations. When that comes
Speaker 1: up in just a minute when we talk about buying
Speaker 1: your Oh this is interesting. You can buy your own
Speaker 1: fleet of scooters if you wanted to, and I Kirk
Speaker 1: could have our fleet of scooters if we wanted to.
Speaker 1: But it's expensive. But there's a there's kind of a
Speaker 1: rule of thumb of how many you should have, and
Speaker 1: and then they charge you per vehicle. And if they're
Speaker 1: parked illegally by you know, someone just rents it, throws
Speaker 1: it down on the curb and it's not part correctly.
Speaker 1: You know, the Department of Motor Vehicles might come by,
Speaker 1: pick it up throwing the back of a truck and
Speaker 1: impound it, you know, the same place they take poorly
Speaker 1: parked cars. They impounded, and it's a seventy five dollar
Speaker 1: fee I think to to get it out of the
Speaker 1: impound yard. And then it's twenty five dollars for every
Speaker 1: night past that first night for a storage fee. So
Speaker 1: we found out through some of these articles that were
Speaker 1: written about Lime leaving Atlanta that at one point last summer,
Speaker 1: I believe it was in a three month period. I
Speaker 1: think it was like June through September. That was quiet,
Speaker 1: think quick on my feet there. But for that three
Speaker 1: month period we found out that the fees that were
Speaker 1: owed by Lime to the City of Atlanta just for
Speaker 1: these impound fees is something like seventy thousand dollars just
Speaker 1: for the ones that they picked up, you know, in
Speaker 1: these individual scooters, seventy five dollars at a time. And
Speaker 1: and you know, on top of that, you know the
Speaker 1: twenty five dollar a night fees that were being accrued,
Speaker 1: you know, every single time that you know, the clock
Speaker 1: ticked over. Essentially, you know, they might be able to
Speaker 1: park a hundred scooters in a spot where they park
Speaker 1: one car because they just got them in a pile there.
Speaker 1: But they're still charging as if it was a vehicle
Speaker 1: park there. So they're making a pile of money. The
Speaker 1: city is making a pile of money on these and
Speaker 1: and oftentimes the company might decide and I just let
Speaker 1: him go because it's not worth it to us to
Speaker 1: to pick up these scooters that are probably all mangled anyway,
Speaker 1: you just leave them in there. They can sell them
Speaker 1: at you know, police auction or whatever. Because when you
Speaker 1: say the police picked them up because they're parked in
Speaker 1: the wrong place, I mean that's a loose term. They
Speaker 1: can be strewn about. Yeah, that's over the fence and
Speaker 1: down the hill. And I was gonna say, have you
Speaker 1: seen some of the more flagrant violations of parking rules
Speaker 1: or people that are just simply upset with them, because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that don't like these things
Speaker 1: at all for some reason. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that are just angry about electronic scooters being in town.
Speaker 1: I kind of, I kind of get it. I kind
Speaker 1: of don't get it. I mean, if they're handled properly,
Speaker 1: if they're out of the way, fine, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people are just really upset with them. And I
Speaker 1: think it's because of the way that a lot of
Speaker 1: them are parked. It also comes down to sometimes they're
Speaker 1: used improperly where you know, it's it's disruptive or it's
Speaker 1: dangerous scooters and crimes out Criminals riding around on scooters
Speaker 1: right using them to get away although you get caught
Speaker 1: if you know it, just feel like it's not the
Speaker 1: smartest way to get away. No, you're sin on yourself, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, but hey, use your friends phone to rent
Speaker 1: one of these, and then whatever phone. I guess if
Speaker 1: you're a criminal, you probably just stole the phone or something.
Speaker 1: That's true. Also they're not they're not particularly I mean
Speaker 1: they're fast, but come on as a getaway vehicle, I
Speaker 1: guess maybe in a crowd you can get just blend in,
Speaker 1: you know. Just I'm just riding the scooter. Well, that's true,
Speaker 1: using it to get to the last mile of my community.
Speaker 1: That's right. They just happened to have a bag of
Speaker 1: diamonds that, you know, I picked up somewhere. That's all
Speaker 1: or a couple of thousand dollars worth of merchandise at it.
Speaker 1: I'm just headed to the train. What's what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with that? Kurt? All right? So man, they're
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm wandering all over the place with this.
Speaker 1: But we've we've said that, you know, the parts are stolen.
Speaker 1: People are finding ways to hack these things. There's their
Speaker 1: hacks online. I don't know if I should even tell
Speaker 1: you how about the hacks, but it's out there. Find it,
Speaker 1: find it on YouTube. It's pretty clever. And don't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't do it. I mean, you can buy these scooters
Speaker 1: at auction and uh and I'll tell you this because
Speaker 1: maybe someone is doing this. Maybe maybe let's say that
Speaker 1: you're definitely someone is doing. Okay, let's say that you
Speaker 1: didn't steal one off the street, because you know there're
Speaker 1: thousands of them out there. Let's say you didn't do that.
Speaker 1: You resisted, right, you didn't want to do that, Kirk,
Speaker 1: don't steal one, I won't. Okay, good, So you didn't
Speaker 1: steal one, and you found one at a police auction,
Speaker 1: and you know it's one of these impounded vehicles that
Speaker 1: they decided to sell, and you pick it up for
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks. They're valued. It's somewhere you know, like
Speaker 1: six or seven hundred dollars each or something like that.
Speaker 1: They're they're expensive. But you buy wanted an impound yard
Speaker 1: or a sale police sale, and you want to use
Speaker 1: it as your own personal scooter. You're gonna take the
Speaker 1: you know, the branding off of it. You're gonna make
Speaker 1: it your own painted or whatever. You can buy a
Speaker 1: scooter conversion kit that comes from at this point, comes
Speaker 1: from China. You gotta be a little bit wary of
Speaker 1: of this because you know there are some scams out
Speaker 1: there that happened that looks like the right kip that
Speaker 1: or not. But you can buy a conversion kit from
Speaker 1: China that will for about thirty dollars convert that into
Speaker 1: a non tracked, non GPS, uh you know, recognizable, non
Speaker 1: bricked version of that scooter that you can then use
Speaker 1: around town to motor yourself. Now, you're gonna still need
Speaker 1: the charge, You're gonna need all of the I guess
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to put some effort into it to
Speaker 1: make it look like your own. So it's not like
Speaker 1: you're you know, any other bird out there or any
Speaker 1: other Lime scooter out there. But let's say you're doing
Speaker 1: it all on on the level. It's it's not gonna
Speaker 1: cost you a whole lot of money to convert this
Speaker 1: thing over to your own private use scooter, which is
Speaker 1: kind of nice, I guess for people right now. I
Speaker 1: haven't heard of any other companies besides these in China
Speaker 1: that are they're offering this. That's probably where the scooters
Speaker 1: made anyway, Yeah, maybe you know what um it is
Speaker 1: that there's a model number that's associated with most of them,
Speaker 1: and I have that here. Um I won't begin to
Speaker 1: try to uh, well, maybe I will, I'll try to.
Speaker 1: How about that. It's okay, it starts with an X,
Speaker 1: so you know this is gonna be tough. So geomy geomy,
Speaker 1: I hope that's it. It's X I, A O, M
Speaker 1: I so Zeomi, maybe Misia M three scooter. Now, if
Speaker 1: you just look up M three sixty five scooter, you'll
Speaker 1: find typically the scooter. And I believe a lot of
Speaker 1: these companies will now actually sell you one, but they're
Speaker 1: kind of price you and they have different versions of them,
Speaker 1: but they're your own personally used scooter, and they come
Speaker 1: in different colors you can have. You know, you can
Speaker 1: get a pink one, you can get a green one,
Speaker 1: a white one, whatever, black, whatever your favorite color is.
Speaker 1: You can do that and make it kind of your own.
Speaker 1: I'll even have Kick scooters for little kids that you
Speaker 1: can buy. But you know, I mentioned one other thing
Speaker 1: that I think we probably should include here, and that
Speaker 1: is that if you wanted to through one of these companies,
Speaker 1: and again I use Bird as an example, you're able
Speaker 1: to buy your own fleet of branded Bird scooters and
Speaker 1: operate them within city limits as long as you adhere
Speaker 1: to the regulations that go along with it. Now, this
Speaker 1: may be initially enticing, but when you really think about
Speaker 1: what you're investing and the possibilities of things that can
Speaker 1: go wrong. I mean We have seen deaths here in
Speaker 1: the city and other cities nationwide and of course worldwide
Speaker 1: as well as you know, disfigurement and uh and people
Speaker 1: just getting you know, small even if it's a small
Speaker 1: uh you know, nick or cut or whatever, there are
Speaker 1: bills that have to be paid, you know, there pre
Speaker 1: insurance bills. Um Liability is a big thing, and you
Speaker 1: do have to get your own insurance, but you do
Speaker 1: have to also go through their licensing, their fees that
Speaker 1: they charge in the within the city limits. The nice
Speaker 1: part is that you are using the Bird app in
Speaker 1: order to run these things. If you do go through
Speaker 1: Bird and so they have kind of that infrastructure already
Speaker 1: in place. If you do order them, you know, you
Speaker 1: can rebrand them with your own name. That could be
Speaker 1: could be Kurt's Scooter Company, but it also would have
Speaker 1: birds somewhere small on the on the label, you know,
Speaker 1: if you had to do it that way. But you
Speaker 1: get to design your own scooter, which is kind of cool. Um.
Speaker 1: Here's the kicker here. The price is somewhere between six
Speaker 1: and seven dollars each depending on you know, what features
Speaker 1: you want to add onto those lights and you know
Speaker 1: that type of thing. Uh, sticker packages whatever. You have
Speaker 1: to have a minimum of fifty vehicles. You can't order
Speaker 1: you know five or you know two or whatever. You
Speaker 1: can't just run one around town. If you're gonna get
Speaker 1: it through, license it through the company. You have to
Speaker 1: have a minimum of fifty vehicles. And of course you
Speaker 1: have to do the you know, all the licensing, as
Speaker 1: I said, and each one comes with the cost, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a yearly cost. You have to update. Um.
Speaker 1: They also will be they will follow the restrictions that
Speaker 1: are set in place by Like in our case, our
Speaker 1: mayor set this restriction in and said, you know, no
Speaker 1: one past nine four and you'd have to have your
Speaker 1: own maintenance, you know system set up. But you can't
Speaker 1: just do it all on your own. There'll be no
Speaker 1: way to do it, especially tracking down fifty scooters in
Speaker 1: a in a city of the size of this or
Speaker 1: or Dallas or San Francistco or whatever would become impossible
Speaker 1: to be scattered everywhere. Here's the here's some of the
Speaker 1: numbers that we're talking about. Before you know the rule
Speaker 1: of thumb numbers that I did it again, I showed
Speaker 1: you my thumb. Did that the rule of thumb for
Speaker 1: the numbers that they kind of the typical fleet numbers
Speaker 1: that they recommend. So if you have a population of
Speaker 1: about ten to fifty thousand people, the typical fleet number
Speaker 1: for you would be between fifty and one hundred vehicles.
Speaker 1: Now again remember that's six to seven hundred dollars each,
Speaker 1: and then up keep charging all that, paying people to
Speaker 1: charge them, paying people to collect them, maintain them, all
Speaker 1: that the numbers get bigger. So anything from fifty to
Speaker 1: one thousand people, you're gonna need one hundred to about
Speaker 1: five hundred vehicles. That jumped up considerably doing anything over
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand, like hundred thousand, two hundred and fifty thousand,
Speaker 1: that's still that's a big city, but not enormous. Anything
Speaker 1: from five hundred to one thousand vehicles is recommended. And
Speaker 1: then of course you go over two hund fifty thousand,
Speaker 1: they recommend over a thousand vehicles, so that that number
Speaker 1: jumps up exponentially as you as you get into the
Speaker 1: you know, the fifty thousand plus territory as far as
Speaker 1: your population goes. So, um, I could see like maybe
Speaker 1: you know, someone wanting to get you know, fifty vehicles
Speaker 1: for you know, maybe the five thousand people that work
Speaker 1: here in this office and that'd be kind of great,
Speaker 1: uh or this building, I should say, we're a factory
Speaker 1: that employees, you know, several shifts of people. You know,
Speaker 1: they could you know, have routine docking stations where you know,
Speaker 1: they can bring them over and charge them routinely and
Speaker 1: and that might work out pretty well too. Or you know,
Speaker 1: at the airport where they have the people mover, they
Speaker 1: could have a little separate area and you can jump
Speaker 1: on a scooter or and just that's a great idea now,
Speaker 1: I think it's a good idea. There's probably a huge
Speaker 1: liability issue as well, and people would you know what,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't just stay in the little here and
Speaker 1: in the little path with them either. See that's just
Speaker 1: that's people being people. Because I feel like they would
Speaker 1: also try to balance all of their luggage on that
Speaker 1: and drive it, you know, across the concourse. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the problem I think is that you know,
Speaker 1: people would try to be the hero and take you know, uh,
Speaker 1: not just another one backpack with them, but maybe in
Speaker 1: the he could just drag your carry on. That sounds
Speaker 1: real society. Yeah, that plus you can have you know,
Speaker 1: the kid's balance on the front end back of the
Speaker 1: thing as you drive, because why spring for one? Oh,
Speaker 1: there's age limits to riding these things, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw the number. I saw a number as well
Speaker 1: as sixteen, but I think eighteen is is kind of
Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, and I think that's just controlled by um.
Speaker 1: The way they could com police that and only to
Speaker 1: a point though, is that they say that you can't
Speaker 1: sign up for the app if you're under this age.
Speaker 1: But we all know how that works, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many young kids you know they have Facebook account
Speaker 1: or how many kids do you think get right get
Speaker 1: right on these things by their parents, you know, using
Speaker 1: their their device to activate the scooter and then activate
Speaker 1: a second scooter, activate a third scooter for the family,
Speaker 1: and the kids are still under you know, under age,
Speaker 1: so it happens, I think. Um. And of course they
Speaker 1: recommend helmets, so as usual, you know, they recommend all
Speaker 1: the safety gear, and I rarely see people with helmets
Speaker 1: on hardly. You really should wear a helmet if you're
Speaker 1: at these things. Yeah, there's a man these are There's
Speaker 1: actually so many different angles. I mean, you don't have
Speaker 1: to just go into exactly how they operate, and you know,
Speaker 1: the types of controllers they use. We can't do that.
Speaker 1: We could in another show if we wanted to, but
Speaker 1: I feel like at this point most people are familiar
Speaker 1: with them or have at least seen them on the
Speaker 1: news or you know, I've heard about the troubles that
Speaker 1: they've had in the cities, and uh, it's just a
Speaker 1: kind of a fascinating thing. There's so many behind the
Speaker 1: scenes things that are going on that I found fascinating.
Speaker 1: Until we really started digging into it. I didn't know
Speaker 1: about the mechanics program at all, had no idea. I
Speaker 1: thought it was just a corporate thing. Oh you know what,
Speaker 1: It's one thing I neglected to tell you. We we
Speaker 1: talked about lifespan of these you know, how they're treated roughly,
Speaker 1: and you see a lot of them that end up
Speaker 1: hanging from trees or someone sees them in their parking spot.
Speaker 1: I've witnessed this one. I saw a lady pull into
Speaker 1: a parking lot and she was opening a business that
Speaker 1: I was. I was parked, you know, in the same
Speaker 1: strip ball. She's opening a business that she was just
Speaker 1: coming in for the day. It was, you know, nine
Speaker 1: am or whatever. Some one had unloaded. Looked like about
Speaker 1: twenty of these scooters and I don't remember what brand,
Speaker 1: but they were unloaded in a parking spot that she
Speaker 1: normally parks in. So she parks her car right near them,
Speaker 1: grabs each one, who or two at a time sometimes
Speaker 1: and just heaves them under a tree out by the road,
Speaker 1: like just I mean throws them eight ten ft you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't remember how far she could throw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she wasn't gentle with him at all, not at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I was watching the whole time. She
Speaker 1: moved every one of them that way and then parked
Speaker 1: in that spot. Bold move. I mean, they were all
Speaker 1: tangled up like like a game of pickup sticks or
Speaker 1: something on the side of the road. But these are
Speaker 1: all you know, it been laid out that morning and
Speaker 1: they were all charged and ready to go. But someone
Speaker 1: was going to find a big tangle of scooters. I
Speaker 1: don't think it necessarily damaged them all that much. They're
Speaker 1: pretty rough and tumbled. But the company does say, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna buy one of these vehicles or buy
Speaker 1: a fleet of vehicles, that the average expected life of
Speaker 1: these things is something like eighteen months and that's just
Speaker 1: general use. Of course, they're out in whether they're out
Speaker 1: during all types of you know, hot and cold and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just riding them on city streets is rough
Speaker 1: to begin with. People are vandalizing them, which I find
Speaker 1: pretty awful for the writers and for the company, clipping
Speaker 1: brake lines things like that, you know, and making them inoperable.
Speaker 1: And again it comes back to that, you know, there
Speaker 1: there's for some reason raging against them. They don't quite
Speaker 1: get that. I mean, it's an inanimate object, really, but
Speaker 1: they're upset with the people that use them, I think,
Speaker 1: and the behavior that they see. So there's a there's
Speaker 1: quite a bit to talk about on this thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we've maybe for today exhausted this. I'd kind
Speaker 1: of like to bring Vent on in on something like
Speaker 1: this later, something similar, not exactly the same, because we've
Speaker 1: already had this discussion, but when he gets back we
Speaker 1: can ask him about it. Just kind of in the intro.
Speaker 1: But they do have the second generation Bird two scooters
Speaker 1: coming out, and I thought it was funny because they
Speaker 1: mentioned that as a kickstand that you can't tip it
Speaker 1: over apparently, so that's the dual kickstand. It comes down
Speaker 1: on out both sides and it's just a little more stable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, of course the people are
Speaker 1: just gonna they're gonna still tip them over. Well, of course,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you know this is how silly
Speaker 1: this is. You can you can watch videos of people
Speaker 1: vandalizing these. You can watch them walking, you know, up
Speaker 1: to one you other, just out for a walk on
Speaker 1: the street. They'll see a whole line of them, you know,
Speaker 1: ready to go, charge, ready to go in the curb,
Speaker 1: parked as they should be, and they'll just kick every
Speaker 1: one of them over. The only way to stop that
Speaker 1: is to have a scooter that will then jump back
Speaker 1: up and then kick chase the person down and then
Speaker 1: kick them over. That's a good idea. It's just an
Speaker 1: idea I'm putting out there. I like it. I like it,
Speaker 1: you know, normally idea I'm the idea guy. What's going
Speaker 1: on here? A my and am I in charge of
Speaker 1: implementing that? Because any idea that I have, you're in
Speaker 1: charge of implementing. So, um is that that is? That
Speaker 1: it works both ways? I'll get to work. But you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think that, um, very soon, I'm just gonna give
Speaker 1: one of these things to try. And we've got coworkers
Speaker 1: that will walk out of the building, jump on one
Speaker 1: of the witnesses. Did they get on a scooter, write
Speaker 1: a block, pick up their lunch and then write it
Speaker 1: back and come back into go and eat their lunch? Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean it's funny to me because it's a short distance.
Speaker 1: You think they just walk. But um, I won't name names.
Speaker 1: It's no one in this room, no one that will
Speaker 1: be in the room next week with us. It's not
Speaker 1: been U might be another ben though in the office. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't want to give anything away. You know.
Speaker 1: I found the behavior funny. I thought I thought it
Speaker 1: was pretty silly, but um, you know, who knows. Maybe
Speaker 1: it just likes to ride them. You never know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can be fun. I'm sure there are a lot
Speaker 1: of fun and I think that's how a lot of
Speaker 1: people use them. I think they'll drive here, yeah, and
Speaker 1: they'll park and they'll jump out there on the belt
Speaker 1: line and then just ride them for recreation. I have
Speaker 1: seen a couple of coming on major highways, arrive on
Speaker 1: major highways from the north. So I'm one five everybody
Speaker 1: can familiar with I seventy five comes right through Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Some of the exits in downtown. I have seen bird scooters,
Speaker 1: electric bikes, that kind of thing parked leaning against the
Speaker 1: concrete ramps. They're down on the highway there. Someone rode
Speaker 1: those down onto the highway. They came, you know, onto
Speaker 1: the highway on the off ramp or the on ramp
Speaker 1: and left them somewhere. Now, this is puzzling to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to be insensitive in any way
Speaker 1: to this, but you'll find that a lot of homeless
Speaker 1: people right these to get to and from places in town.
Speaker 1: And I don't understand exactly how this works. I'm asking
Speaker 1: this more out of just curiosity. I'm not angry. I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to point fingers anybody. But how is
Speaker 1: it that someone who is, you know, living under these ramps,
Speaker 1: living on the streets has a smartphone to be able
Speaker 1: to unlock a bird's and a bird account or Lime
Speaker 1: account or whatever. I guess that's that's clever, right, But
Speaker 1: it's just an oddball thing. And I've seen a couple
Speaker 1: of them that have just been left on the side
Speaker 1: of the road so you can get a lime chaser
Speaker 1: down there on the freeway. To find a couple that
Speaker 1: have been missing for a few months, probably probably worth
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Maybe there's a big bounty on this.
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