WEBVTT - Privilege w/ Michael Learned 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.200 These are our stories, done done. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.320 Hello, Hello, this is Lisa, and this is that's messed 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:32.800 up and I did it in the wrong order. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:33.520 No big deal. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.879 Hi, I'm Kara. You guys know what we do on 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.760 this pod. I hope we talk SVU. We talk about 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.680 a true crime that the episode is based on, and 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.959 we interview a fabulous guest. But first we catch up 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.159 and I'm in La Lisa's in New York. We've been 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:51.800 in the same city for a couple of weeks. I'd 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:53.960 love to hear the latest. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.640 What's on the latest is the fires in Canada have 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.000 come to breathe their orange smoke on to New York 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.800 and the air is grim, the quality is bad, and 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.360 we're all just waiting for the vander Pump reunion for tonight. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.080 Yeah, that's the only man gonna clear the air. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.200 On the menu, we're gonna have goat cheeseballs, pump teenies, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.600 not about the pasta salad, and lobster corn dogs. Since 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:25.520 we can't support shorts and Sandy's this is amazing, and I. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:26.400 Came up with a game. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.400 So you know, a few seasons ago, Shina was just like, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.040 Rob hung up my TV in seven minutes, and I 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:32.520 timed him. 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.399 So we're gonna play pin the TV on the wall. Yes, 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.880 this is so good. Then I have an eight am. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.600 Flight to meet you for our show tomorrow in San Francisco. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.720 Oh my god, I'm so like jealous that you're three 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.280 hours ahead. So you're actually gonna watch the reunion like 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.640 you're gonna watch it like while I'm giving my kids dinner. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.680 I mean, it's gonna be on so early for you. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:53.520 I know. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.240 The only thing I'm scared of is people better shut 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.320 their fucking mouths until the commercial breaks, I know, and 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.480 then tomorrow I'll watch it uncensored because you know, this 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.880 will just be live television. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.440 Yes, yes, the peacock versions. 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.200 I haven't been watching those, but I've been seeing like 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.440 some of the clips with the swears, and they are satisfying. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:16.320 It's so much better. I hate puritanical culture. Swears should 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:17.079 be on television. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.959 Oh yeah, it's noways apologize to me for swearing in 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:21.160 front of my kids, and I go, I swear in 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.000 front of my kids, Like I just am really trying 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.560 to like take the power away from swear words with 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.320 like my kids. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:28.440 I agree with you. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.360 I was at my friends kids party ones and like 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.960 Katie Perry's a song came on where like bitch was 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.640 or something, and one of the other parents tried to 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.480 get on a high horse, and my friend was just like, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.160 they don't even know, they don't know if you don't 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.639 make a big dear about it, yeah, like you're the 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.720 one being nuts and you can leave. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:48.880 Actually, like you don't have to be here if that 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.200 one word bothers you. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.760 I just feel like we swear as people, and then 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.600 if you don't swear as a person, you don't have to. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.040 But like some of us swear naturally. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.280 It's just like I don't know, They're just words. It 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.120 was such a big deal in my house to say 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.840 shut up or to say like I mean, we would 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.120 never say like fucker shit, but to say, like even 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.640 call my brother a prick, I'd get in so much trouble, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.920 like just any bad words, And I was like, who, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.560 Like I mean, I'm gonn obviously try to teach my 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.119 children kindness towards each other. But like the swearing thing 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.160 is like it's too much, like we've just assigned these 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.160 like words that are bad and it's crazy. 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.560 It's like virginity. It doesn't exist. The limit does not exist. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.400 The limit does not exist. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.280 I am so obviously we're in the time machine, so 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.640 we're a little bit late on some things. And obviously, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.080 by the time you listen to this episode scanned of 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.440 all will be we'll all know what the big surprise is. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.280 And obviously, but you're getting us in real time right now, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.120 in our real time, we don't know what's going to 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:50.480 happen tonight. And we got to talk about the season 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.840 finale of Yellowjackets. First of all, what is with this 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.600 show having nine episodes? I turned it on, I go, oh, okay, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:58.920 episode nine, so it's the penultimate episode, and then I 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.840 forgot that last season nine as well. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:02.240 That's such a weird number. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.760 I feel like shows usually have eight or ten, or 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.920 like six or ten and nine. You do something near 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.720 your hair, Oh yeah, I got it done by your girl. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.640 It looks great, Thank you, thank you? Oh my god, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.280 do you love it? Yes? I love it. 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.200 It took a me, yeah, sorry, it took me a 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.320 few minutes, but it just hit me where I was like, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:23.640 wait a minute, yeah. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.279 She did like a great job. She she also like 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.800 she was so she was really cool. She's obsessed with you. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.960 I was like, I had to like tell her like 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.200 I don't know, she just like didn't realize what a 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:35.160 big stand up you are. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.040 And I was like, oh, yeah, she doesn't. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.039 Brag about herself, so I usually do it, like when 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.039 we like we met dtox and she's like, how do 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.000 I know you? And I was like, bitch, she's huge 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.080 on in stand up and she's on TikTok and Instagram. 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.160 Well, I saw her friend Matteo Laine yesterday and I 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:51.839 told him about drag Con and I was like, I 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.039 spent fifty dollars to meet dtalks and he goes, I 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.560 mean I could text her like what are you doing? 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.120 And then I fibbed a little because I said yeah. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:00.919 She said I look famili and I went, yeah, this 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:06.760 is humiliating for us. We waited in line for you, bitch. No, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.960 your hair looks incredible. Was the pug there? There's usually 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.920 a pug named Darla. I didn't see a pug, but 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:17.200 that sounds really cute. But it was a shatter. It 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:18.320 was a long process. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.880 But she's also like such a boss, Like she's in 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:23.720 the middle of just like talking about kids stuff and 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.680 then she goes, don't do that, like and like, but 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.919 I wanted to say to her assistance. I wanted to 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:30.640 be like, I feel like she's really gonna teach you 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.960 guys to be great hairstylists. Like she's really like she 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.840 doesn't like just she doesn't mince words. She's just kind 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.839 of like, no, see how you can't do that, like, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.680 don't touch this part. Like it's really like, but she 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:44.719 I was a little bit of a mess, and I 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.080 feel like she really fucking took me to church with 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:48.719 this haircut. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.480 She changed my life because now with my new allergies, 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.640 I can't even do hair products and I still get 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.320 complimented on my hair and like, I love my new 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.000 I've never done a center part. Like she really is 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.120 a visionary and an artists, not just like a job 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:03.400 to her. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:04.600 Like she's roight and. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.200 The salon is like beautiful and everybody's like really nice 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:07.520 and friendly. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:08.920 There was a crazy woman in there. 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.279 I wish I was like, you got to tell lies 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.039 about this, because there was this woman next to me 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.240 that was with a different stylist, and I didn't really 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:16.599 hear it. 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:17.520 I was zoned out. 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.880 I heard the woman later giving the stylist like fake compliments, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.919 and all I saw my stylists. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.320 And everybody looking at each other giving eyes. 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.840 So when the woman walked out, our girl was like, 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.160 what the fuck was that? Don't let anybody talk to 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.120 you like that, Like if she talked to me, like 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:34.839 I was almost going to say something to her, like 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.800 I was about to like step to her, like. 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.039 What do you find fake compliments? Like understanding? 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.440 Well, so what happened first was this woman yelled at 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.279 her stylist and was like, no, this isn't like the 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.839 right color, this isn't the right thing. But it was 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.159 like it was an extension that she asked them to use, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.599 and they're like, yeah, this is just not a good extension, 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.120 like that you brought us or that you want in 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.000 your hair, like we can do X y Z, but 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:58.640 like this is not the right thing, and she was 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.159 She stood up and like ripped her robe off and 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.360 was like acting all huffy. Then I think they got 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.920 her to calm down. I missed all this. I might 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.599 have been getting a wash or something I missed all this. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.920 When she sat down, she goes, you know, let's say 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:12.320 the woman's name is Lisa. She goes, you know, Lisa, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.160 I know that you're a stylist, but you're also very 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.200 quite good at color. And it was just like this 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.200 really flat compliment where she was trying to like get 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.240 the vibe back after acting like a totally insane person. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.040 And so they were all just like it was just 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:28.720 funny hairstylist chatter. 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:29.000 Like. 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.000 As soon as she walked out, everybody was just like 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.160 she was like, the girl's like, I'm supposed to wash 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.600 her hair next week again, and they were all like, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:37.520 cancel on her. You can't have somebody like that in 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.000 the salon treating you like that. Like it was wild. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.320 But you know, I was there for five hours. I 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:47.720 was bound to catch some five hours girl. It was crazy. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.240 I can tell you more about it off Mike. It's 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.560 like two, it's too much. But it was five full hours. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.520 But wait, should we get. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.120 You even plan for it to be five hours. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.760 I planned for it to be three with a possible 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:02.360 like overlap. And then Jared was already picking up the 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.040 kids and taking them to the playground, and I just 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.000 was very late to meet him, but the kids were 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.720 so happy when I got there. They were like eating 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.400 pizza and like having a blast. So I had nothing, 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.440 no reason to stress, but I was It's a long 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:15.800 fucking time to sit somewhere. 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.080 I just was dying at the end. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.080 But worth it. I do love that. I do love it. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.760 I love the color I did. It's like I styled 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.800 it myself this time. But she did a great job anyway, 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:32.160 So yellowjackets fucking. When I saw what happened, I was like, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.120 oh my god, this is the finale. And that's when 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.120 I checked the episode count and was like, oh my god, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.760 there's only nine. But you know there is going to 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.559 be some kind of bonus episode coming out. Well that's 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:42.200 what I hear, but like, yeah, I don't buy it. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:42.760 Where is it? 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.720 Well, the people said, like the people that created it. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:47.880 I read something where they said that they want to 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.120 like give everybody time to like process and then it's 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.040 going to probably happen in a few months or something. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.880 But okay, you know what it's like if you want 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.200 to do what they did. Fine, it was done poorly. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.160 It was bad. It was really bad. It was it 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.960 was like a phony, fake scene it wasn't believable. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.880 It was stupid. They got rid of a character. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.959 That I think is kind of a lifeblood of the show. 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.840 Yeah, was that the word you're looking for? 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.840 Like, well, no, because I love Melanie Lynsky's character so 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.640 much too, but I love I love Christina. 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:21.040 Whatever. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.520 If you don't want to know what happened, fucking fast forward, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:23.719 I'm not. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.599 Yeah, you gotta read a forward because we're going to 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.880 talk about this and it's gonna have major yellowjacket season 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.240 two spoilers, So fast forward, we're going to talk about it. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.760 Like Juliette Lewis and Christina Ricci had such a chemistry, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.760 such a dynamic together to keep them separate all season 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.960 and then finally we get them together and it's like 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:46.600 finally and last is like in the Call Dead that like, 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.920 and it was like the scene was hokey. That's the word. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.760 Like, it didn't ridiculous sense, it was ridiculous. And I 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.840 actually read the Vulture recap in anticipation of this conversation 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.520 because I know you read them too, and I was like, 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.720 they pointed out a lot of stuff. They were like 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.400 first the daughter shows up as a person interrupting and 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.640 then the other girl. It just like it was all 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.080 like too capery and wild, and it was also like, 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.640 are you guys really gonna hunt Melanie Lynsky, Are you not? 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.960 Like it was so all over the place of the 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.920 whole fucking episode. Then in case, like you know, so 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.240 you know what we're talking about. Obviously they killed Juliet 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.360 adult Juliet Lewis's character. 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.280 And that it also takes away from the compellingness of 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.120 the young actress because like, I loved the dynamic, the 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.880 shift between young and old. So it's like to know 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.280 that she's gone and so watch the young is strange. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.200 I liked having our core there. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.360 Yes, but I have to say, I don't know that 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.480 they wrote her off the show. I have a feeling 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.079 she wanted out. I just have a feeling. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.760 Okay, that's smarter than what I thought, because I thought 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.520 like she might be difficult, because remember that one interview, 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.000 maybe like she was just causing trouble, and even on 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.280 Less Cultury Stafe, Melanie Lynsky said, like, no one's like Juliette, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.000 you know in a way where I'm reading between the lines. 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.679 I can't be certain that's what she meant. But I 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.600 was like maybe they're getting rid of her because she's psycho, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.199 but you're right. Maybe she was like, I don't want 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.240 to fucking be on a show for five seasons. Get 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.000 me out of here and scientology meetings to get to 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.199 and push ups to do. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.120 Wait, she she's not scientologist, does she? Of course she is? 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.560 Oh I forgot that. Oh that's not great. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.840 But yeah, Like in my opinion, what people are saying 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.120 too is that she didn't like the direction that her 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.920 character was going, and like I feel like maybe she 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.840 just said, great, I had a great ride on the show, 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.679 Like I'm done, you know, to you know what I. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.720 Would have done, Have the young girl in the cult 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.080 fucking kill her, have it be a weird accident, have 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:51.320 them hunt. Yes, Like there's just so Melanie Lynsky choke 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.560 her out to fucking death. Like I just think it's 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.360 just so hokey. It's like Christina re. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:06.080 All like yeah, like tripping and oh like in your 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.480 back like this is Benny Hill. Yeah, just was so ridiculous. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.080 But also like them all agreeing that they're gonna like 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.280 what's it called, like humor Lottie and her delusions, but 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.880 then all get bloodlust. Like I just it's fucked up. 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.160 What I did love was Coach Ben. I think burning 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.160 down the cabin and trying to kill them all because 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:30.360 they're psychopaths. But like that's cool because now I'm ready 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:31.200 for the third season. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.400 I'm like, what as usually do? 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:34.600 What you do? 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.280 Like, yeah, But the thing I've said about this show 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.559 to you, like maybe off mic, but also on another 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:42.840 podcast that we did, is like I find there to 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.080 be a huge disconnect between the now and the bat 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.880 and the and the past. The past I'm locked fucking in, 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.160 Like I am into all those actresses, I'm into the performances, 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:54.680 I'm into the plot, the Coach Ben, Where's fucking Crystal? 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.920 Like all of the stuff. There's good stuff going on there. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.600 The present is like it's like to me, I don't 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.560 watch How to Get Away with Murder or like, but 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.800 it seems like one of these like soapy ABC shows 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.040 like Gray's or something where it's like, what's what is 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.199 happening right now? Like I don't understand a lot of 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.000 the choices that they're making and the cop dying. How 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.880 are they going to cover up the CoP's death? I 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.560 didn't understand Walter Tattersaw, how that whole thing planned out 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.000 and I was like, what, what's even going on? Like 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.520 it was very confusing if. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.400 I just had such high hopes, I was such a diehard. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.360 Thank god I didn't get a tattoo because I am upset. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.439 Well, there is a sophomore slump with a lot of shows. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:41.000 Hopefully season three. They hear some of the feedback and like, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.560 cause I was deep in the comments too, and people 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.000 were like, maybe I'm done with this show now, like people, 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.160 you know, like they just. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:49.920 People were not satisfied with this season. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.240 No, And the thing is like they didn't have to 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.480 wrap up the Adams stuff, like they didn't have to rush. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.160 It felt rushed and crazy and haphazard. Honestly, if you 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.040 needed to kill off her, like I'd rather fall off 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.040 a cliff or get into a weird car accident. Like yeah, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.439 I just really hated it, and I hated You're right, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.840 like everyone with guns right away, the cops and Elijah 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:17.160 Wood and everyone's there in the hospital. It was bananas. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:21.840 I really am upset, But you're right. The young storyline 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.720 is so compelling. I would honestly watch a show which 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.920 is The Young Girls. I also caught up on SVU. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.480 I was like three episodes behind. I'm just the last one. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.880 I'm the last one because I felt like I had 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.400 to watch that OC crossover where like the last one 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.000 I watched was the one where like all these women 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.240 are being attacked and they don't and it seems like 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.200 people are maybe hiring someone to do it. Yeah, but 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.800 they just end the SVU episode because the answer is 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.600 in the OC episode pretty much. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:53.360 Oh wow. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.800 And so that's why I was confused, and so I 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.600 didn't want to and so I had to. Yeah, so 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.000 I had to catch up on OC and I'm almost there. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.600 I'm almost caught up, So I have like two more 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.920 OC's and then the last SVIE to watch. So I 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.840 haven't seen that Rollins is back and pregnant with Sonny 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.920 Caristie Junior, but I know that she is and the 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.680 real actress, Kelly Giddish, she came on our podcast she 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.880 was probably with child and just didn't tell us her 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.760 best friends how dare but exciting news for her. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.680 Congrats Kelly and Amanda. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.800 And yeah, I don't know how this whole season of 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.080 sview like kind of was weird to me. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.200 Oh my god, I you know the article sorry to 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.360 jump ship. We do also have to start this pod. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.320 But the New Yorker article you sent me on the 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.880 cancelation club, okay, really got me going. So there's a 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:48.360 club of thought criminals, cancel witers, and they meet up 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.080 and they all act like victims. They all act like 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.240 the world is unfair, and then they are the craziest 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.160 group of people I've ever read about. Like one of 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.400 the authors in quotes wrote, I've done enough psychedel to 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:01.280 forgive Hitler. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:07.760 Yeah, yeah, I don't see like that girl. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.640 Yeah you should. No one likes you and you're not canceled. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.880 That's a bad opinion, and they'll fuck yourself. And that 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.560 girl and that girl is a is a comedian. I 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.960 just texted Casey. I just texted you the link, so 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.720 we can put the link to it in our show 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.360 notes if you want to see this article. But it's 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.240 just so funny how nonchalantly she describes all the people 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:27.920 that are at this party. So this is like a 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.280 These are like happenings that this woman who's a psychologist 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.200 has in New York. A lot of times they happen 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.840 at the restaurant that's above the comedy Seller where Lisa 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.920 performs all the time, and or they happen at apartments 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:40.920 or whatever, and it's just like, you know, people that 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.160 have been canceled sharing their edge lord ideas, and it's 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.080 like so and so Princeton professor who's married to one 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.800 of his former students and has been accused of many 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:53.920 inappropriate sexual relationships with the students. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.520 It's like, Okay, give me that guy's thoughts. I need them. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.480 And then it'll be like this girl who wrote an 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.720 article about how affirmative action is bad at Harvard. It's like, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.359 you like, or how it like let's in unqualified people 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.760 of color, Like it's all these like horrible people. And 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.720 then it's like this other writer who's been accused of 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.879 sexual assault by many people, like but I don't believe it. 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:18.560 Yeah, it's yeah. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.800 And there was like a guy who's like, I can't 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.560 get a talent representative because I'm a white man, and 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.320 it's like, why does everyone else that you're working with 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.320 that's a white man have a representative. The persons in 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.880 that article I actually used to know in New York 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.119 and that person you're talking about, and he was a 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.440 really sweet, nice person and I feel like he Taylors 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.760 all the time had a mental break. 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:41.920 Well, it just happens. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.560 This happens to little white men, This happens to I 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.080 can only speak in our industry, but like, this happens 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.120 two men that do not get as successful as they 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.760 want and they become right wing lunatics and it's everyone 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.840 else's fault but them, And this is classic. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:58.840 It happens constantly. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.000 And I always say, like, if I wanted to sell 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:02.640 out theaters, I think I can go. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.320 Right wing and I would be the biggest star easily. Easily. 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:07.480 It is you will know. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.800 I literally have you seen the clip going around of 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.119 somebody that we both know, who's a comedian back in 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.440 New York on news Max making a racist joke and 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.560 then you go to her thread and it's all this 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.439 like conspiracy shit where she thinks that she thinks that 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.560 the Left is like targeting her, and it's like, girl, 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.639 there's video of you saying bad shit, Like there's no 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.360 underground cabal of like people. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.160 Trying to take you down. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:36.040 You're taking yourself down, yourself, Like it's just I just. 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.239 Don't get the canceled things. It's like, ye know, some 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.640 things people don't like. Yeah, if you say you can 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.280 forgive Hitler and you don't understand why people don't like 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:47.639 that or want to be around you. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:49.080 Don't. 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.200 I don't get the confusion. It's not a you're right, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.440 it's not conspiracy. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:54.119 We don't like you. 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.760 Yeah, I don't want to hang out with someone who's down, 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.520 who thinks they're superior, because I've done enough mushroom where 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.479 they can forgive a warlord at a genocidalmaniac. You had 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.560 to take so many drugs to convince yourself that you're 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.760 okay after you got canceled for writing something that was racist. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.480 Like, that's it, that's it, that's what happened girl. 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.960 Yeah, but it's a funny article. We all will post 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:17.200 it on. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.160 Our head we'll link to it in our Yeah, we'll 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.480 link to it in our show notes too. 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.200 I just sent it to Casey. But we should get started. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:25.760 I mean, there's drag race to talk about, but we 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.119 just have to get going. Gotta just want to remind 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:32.000 everybody before we start that we will be in Denver 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.520 this coming Sunday. You guys come see us on the 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.280 twenty fifth in Denver at Comedy Works. It's one of 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.320 the best clubs. We sold out last year and had 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.320 the best time. We all went out and got a 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.360 drink with a bunch of you last year. Who knows, 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.080 maybe we'll be up for that this year. I'm bringing 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.120 a friend, actually, a friend's coming with me to Edver 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.840 and then in La we'll be at the Bourbon Room 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.760 on Thursday the twenty ninth, So you can kick off 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.879 your like summer fun with coming to see us in 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.320 La at the It's in Hollywood. It's an awesome room, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:07.679 great drinks, fun food items, and obviously our beautifully funny podcast. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.000 Uh well to come. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.080 So a listener Acutie Acutie of ours posts of a 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.000 little video are a story on their Instagram and it's 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.280 in Russian and they go, I don't know what this says, 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.119 but I like it or whatever, and so I translated 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.679 it for him and it said we need me and 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.960 you need to have a serious conversation. So then this 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.639 person immediately sends me a screenshot that they bought a 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.959 ticket to the Bourbon Room show in LA and they go, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.280 can't wait, ready to talk, whatever you need, And then 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:44.720 I had to say I was translating the story you posted. 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:46.919 And then he wrote, this is humiliated. 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:50.080 That is so well, Now you guys are going to 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:51.760 have a serious conversation. 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.719 At the Bourbon Room about this and it's gonna be 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.760 so funny. But yeah, come see us. 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All right, guys, 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:37.240 today we are doing I consider this a classic. 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:37.960 I don't know why. 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.400 This one's always stuck in my head. I've always remembered it. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:44.320 That's what I was gonna say before you said it. 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.560 I was going, we're doing a classic. 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.320 Yeah, Like, I don't really know why per se, because 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.240 it's not like there's like a major star in it 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:52.880 or anything. 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.879 But I think maybe for me it's maybe it's the 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:58.880 rich we love a wretch, and I think. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.200 It might be one of the first big episodes where 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.600 it's like the uber wealthy er hiding the crimes for 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.640 their I'm sure there's one of those in seasons one, 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.520 two or three, but this feels like one of the 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.840 first big ones. And there's just little pieces of it 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.880 that always stick out to me. It's called privilege. It's 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.240 season four, episode seventeen, this baby came. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.439 You know what else I learned? Privilege is not easy 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.680 to spell. There's a little secret eye in the middle 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:23.000 of there. 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:25.119 Privilege. Yeah. 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:29.000 Yeah, It's an annoying word that you have to overenunciate yes, 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.320 and it bothers me. And they use it in multiple 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.000 contexts in this episode. I always try to squeeze a 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.640 D in there, like a dge like yes. Always, it's 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:39.600 just like word. 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:41.520 I do that as well. That's my big thing. 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:43.960 I remember that little I, but the D I'm always like, 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.920 it's like sledge I got it, But it's not so. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.960 This little baby came out in two thousand and three 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:53.720 February exciting. We open on a scene just straight out 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.080 of Golden Girls. It's like an older woman in her 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.240 back garden at night and she's on her landline gabbing 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.600 with a friend about a man like what does he 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:05.080 really want your pecan pies or your nice fat bank balance, 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.199 And then she like puts her hand up to her 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.760 wisteria and a drop of blood falls in her hand 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.119 and she just immediately is like, I think it's a 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.520 dead animal, and it's like, not on the show, baby, 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.760 And as she tells her friend, she goes, Okay, Albert's 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.160 only in it aft for the sex. 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:20.200 You have my blessing. 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:22.639 And then as she's so funny because I was watching 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.640 this at my parents' house while I was doing research, 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:27.880 just you know, another a fourth or fifth three watch 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.200 why not? But they're like do you really need to 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.360 be watching this? And I was like I'm a teen, 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:35.320 but I was like, yeah, it's for work. 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:36.879 And then the first thing is her being like, if 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.280 you want to fuck him, fuck him like this. 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:42.320 Ole world lady. 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.840 She's poking at a dead animal in her wisteria tree 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.600 while giving her you know, sixty nine year old friend 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:53.240 like a relationship advice, and she's like, yeah, I mean, 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:56.040 if it's just for the sex, it's you have my blessing, 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.960 And like she's waiting for this dead animal to fall 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.199 out of the tree while she's like, you're pushing seventy 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.480 how many more rides on the merrygo round or left? 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:05.920 And it's just like this episode reeks of Neil Bear, 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.120 Like I just feel like it has Neil Bear all 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:12.000 over it, like old ladies being brassy and talking about sex. 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:14.560 And then she gives the tree one last poke and 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.919 a full fucking body falls out of it. 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:20.400 She gives us a really nice scream. 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.600 Queen scream, and we see not much of this woman 0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.639 except that she is wearing a maid's uniform. Cut to 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.920 the debrief by Benson, the woman who found the body 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.440 is named Katerina Blundell Ben. Benson goes, the victim dropped 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.600 it on her unexpectedly. It's like, okay, comedy, Benson, the 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.000 victim is in her twenties, was wearing a maid's uniform. 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.160 No Id Sabler is like, oh, does the woman who 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.440 found her recognize her from the neighborhood, and Benson goes, 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.480 I doubt it because the victim has no face. 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:49.040 Ugh ouch gross. 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.680 And then Warner pops in and she's like, from the lividity, 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.359 it seems like she's been dead a while. She says 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.320 it looks like a suicide, but she's also got bruising 0:24:58.359 --> 0:24:59.679 on her breasts, thighs, and buttocks. 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.119 That's vu was called. 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.119 And then Benson goes, maybe a rapent toss And I'm like, 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.359 is that a term? Is that like a term that 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.639 they use all the time, a rape and toss? Or 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:10.680 is she just like coming up with that. I don't 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.080 know if it's a term or not, but I know 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:16.840 it's going to be merch for sure. We should make 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:21.120 ring toss game corn hornhole or cornhole bean bags. Yeah, 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.800 let's say that, Okay, But then Warner goes, these injuries 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:26.919 are long standing, Like, this is not what happened right 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:27.600 before she died. 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.399 This looks like ongoing, you know, abuse or something. 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:32.960 So they see the building that she must have fallen 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.040 from is a huge high rise called Trellick or tower, 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:39.880 and Stabler calls it Millionaire Heaven, and they assume she's 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.199 a maid who like they immediately create a story for 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.720 this maid. Should They're like, she's a maid, she doesn't speech, 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:46.959 must speak much English, she's alone in a foreign country. 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:49.000 She was raped, but she couldn't call the cops. So 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:52.399 then she jumps or she's pushed, don't done. That's the 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:57.080 credits top of Act one, Benson and Stabler are meeting 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:01.639 with Tom Payson. He runs secure for the Lamberley family 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:03.560 and they live in the penthouse of this building. 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:05.800 So they go up there and he's like, how do 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:06.360 you know it is us? 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.679 And it's because every building in this every apartment in 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.720 this building, their windows don't even open big enough for 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.840 a kid to fit out of, So the only place 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:15.639 somebody could have jumped from would have been the very 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:19.040 tippity top the penthouse. Baby, So he says, the apartment's 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:21.560 been empty all weekend. The family was in Connecticut until 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.040 Missus Lamberley came home Sunday night, and he said there 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.200 was no sign of a break in. He's being a 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.600 little cagy about letting them look around, and then Benson 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:30.399 pulls the whole like, we can come back with a 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:32.600 warrant a couple of CV crews if you want, and 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.760 he's like, fine, let me just warn the old lady. 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.440 Oh and also, I forgot to mention that Payson mentions, 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.960 or they meant the cops discussed how he used to 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:42.560 be a cop, Like he's been with the Lammerleys for 0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.000 five years, but he used to be a cop at 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:48.679 the two nine. So we meet Candice Lamberley next, and 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.679 she's played by Michael Learned, who is an Emmy Award 0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:56.280 winning actress from the Waltons and most recently played Dahmer's 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:58.919 grandmother in Dahmer on Netflix. If you watch that, and 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:04.199 she's very classic SVU rich old lady like detectives. 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:04.240 Can I help you? 0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.440 I'm sorry to keep you waiting, like very Connecticut lockjaw 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.080 and all that, and she tells them that all of 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.639 the help had the weekend off. So they go out 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.080 onto the penthouse balcony. They see that it looks right 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.359 down onto where the body was found, and they're like, 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:19.919 we're gonna need to look at security camera tapes and 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:21.800 have CSU come out here and check the scene. And 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.959 they're like, don't touch the railing, old lady, and she's like, oh, so, 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.000 you know, we're about to get investigating because this seems 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.000 like it's where the person jumped from. At the precinct, 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.280 Munch is downloading everyone on the Lamberley fortune, which comes 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.720 from the late grandfather's real estate business. He had the cash, 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.600 grandma had the class. They say, so the son Douglas 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.840 runs everything now. His wife lives in Bermuda and rarely leaves. 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.160 They have one son named Drew who just got back 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.960 from Europe. And then they're like basically talking about how 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.840 Granny's like a tea party charity kind of lady, and 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:53.600 that's what they were doing. 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:54.399 Out in Connecticut. 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.520 They see on security tapes a woman in a maid's 0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.480 uniform entering with her own key at four four five 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:04.440 on Saturday, and Kragan's like, any reports of missing servants, 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.840 which I just thought was a funny line, and they're like, no, 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.719 everyone is accounted for, So who is this woman? So 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:15.159 now Melinda is in absence of a face. Melinda is 0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.479 running dental prints and everything on this person because facial 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.679 reconstruction is not possible. There's too much damage. There was 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.439 no drugs or alcohol in her system, no fluids, but 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.359 traces of lube or spermicide, so it means the attacker 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.000 are used to condom. Bruises and strap marks that are 0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.040 on her body are old. Finn points out that this 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.800 victim might have just liked rough sex and none of 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.520 this proves that she was raped, and like the marks 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.000 on her neck could have been erotic asphyxiation, and the 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.280 marks on her body could mean she's an SNM junkie like, 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.000 who knows, and so Melinda goes, I guess it's possible. 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.400 The degree of violence does seem controlled. And then another 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.920 interesting thing is that they found one of her shoes 0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.959 and it's a black patent leather stiletto, and Melinda likes 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.280 Benson knows her brands and goes, this is pretty high 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.040 end for a maid. And she goes nice stockings too, 0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:08.920 So Finn's putting it all together. He goes, she's wearing 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.680 nice high heels, fancy undies, dressed like a maid. This 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.040 sounds like an out call fantasy to me, I did 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.480 not know what that meant. An out call is a 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.200 visit to a customer's home by a professional. I didn't 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:19.480 know that. 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:20.320 So there we go. 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.960 It's like any fantasy, I guess of like the FedEx 0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.840 guy or a nurse coming to your house or any 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.680 of that. In the next scene, Douglas Lamberley has entered 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.440 the chat and he is played by John Bolger. He 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.800 has a sort of an older, balding Bradley Cooper vibe 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:37.440 to me, especially if you go to his IMDb and 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:39.440 you see his young picture. He was kind of like 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.480 a Bradley Cooper then going on, he's been in all 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.520 of the law and orders, and you guys might remember 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.760 him because in the episode we've already covered, which comes later. 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:49.240 I believe it's season six. 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.120 The episode we covered called Identity about the two twins 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:55.480 where one is a girl and one is a boy, 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.760 but not really. He plays their father, so if you 0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.160 recognize him, it could be from that. He looks at 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.120 a picture of the security footage of the woman entering 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.720 the apartment and he goes, oh, I think that's Anna Rivera. 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.320 She worked for them for a month. 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.520 They learned that she lied about her legal status and 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.480 they had to let her go. She was very upset 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.160 about losing the job, but they did give her three 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.800 months severance, which is they say, pretty generous. 0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:18.040 I feel like it's pretty generous. 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.600 And Stabler's like, bro, she was wearing stilettos and price 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:22.960 the underwear. I don't think she came up here to 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.520 polish the credenza like a little Stabler sass. And he 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.120 also explained that her body showed signs of repeated violent sex. 0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:32.160 There's a lot of back and forth with this guy, 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.480 like what what are you saying? You know what I'm saying. 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:35.880 You don't think I had anything to do with this, 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.160 do you? And then the subject turns to his son, 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.280 how well did your son know Anna? 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.040 And he's getting really mad. 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.040 Now he's like he was in Connecticut, we all were, 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.680 and he's getting really pissed. But the mother's like, calm down. 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.840 Yelling is unseemly, you know. She gets them to be quiet, 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:52.040 and then they're like, do you guys have an address 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.560 on Anna? And she's like. The grandmother's like, we'll get 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.400 it to you, no problem. She's being very cooperative. Suddenly 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.440 a CSU guy interrupts. It goes detectives. There's something you 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.280 should see, and I think this would make good merch detectives. 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.200 There's something you got to see. We've hear that all 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.640 the time. He found prints on the railing that matched 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:13.000 the ones on the balcony door, but only hers. There 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:15.640 are none inside either, But he goes, Granny looks like 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.960 a clean freak. So from the prince, it kind of 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:21.200 looks like she hung down from the railing and then 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.360 changed her mind and tried to pull herself up because 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:27.080 they were smudged. But now you know, we're at the 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.800 apartment of Anna Rivera and we're discovered. We're trying to 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.520 find track her down and a landlord is letting them. 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:35.160 In classic SVU landlord, he's like, I don't know. She's 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.280 from Guatemala. She's quiet, she's clean, she paid her rent. 0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:41.520 So when she tells the landlord that Anna is dead, 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:43.160 the landlord's like, damn, what am I going. 0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:44.040 To do with her stuff? 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.280 And Stabler takes a brush out of toothbrush for Warner 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:50.640 to confirm the positive ID. So now we're back at 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.320 Melinda's house and she goes, guess what, these items that 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.160 you grabbed are absolutely unhelpful because they're both brand new. 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.680 She also shows them very fine cuts on the victim's 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.480 finger and they're like, that seems like weird for a 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.640 maid like and she they swabbed and she didn't find 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.280 any household cleaners, but did find a specific kind of 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:13.160 acetone that is used exclusively for cleaning motion picture film. Interesting. 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.880 Maybe yeah, done done. Maybe she was a film student, 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.920 they guess. At the precinct, they have confirmation that the 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.400 Lamberleys were all in Connecticut. There's even a picture of 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.120 Drew running a red light in his little audi at 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:26.280 six ten pm on the. 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:27.200 Night of the murder. 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:31.560 So Munch obviously, who always gets the grunt work of like, 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:36.240 go through nine million directories and find this person. He goes, Guys, 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:39.120 there's tons of film schools in New York. He's really complaining, 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.280 He's like, and also, a kid not showing up to 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.760 film school class on a Monday morning is not exactly 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.200 setting off any alarm bells. So Olivia's like, okay, well, 0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:50.600 there is a student named Carmen Trancoso who was supposed 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.760 to screen her film at the new school and never 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:56.000 showed up. So now they're at the new school. They're 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.720 talking to Carmen's friend, a girl named Susie. She's like, 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.240 what's going on? What happened the cage? They won't tell her. 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.920 She shows them Carmen's stuff, tells them that Carmen is 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:08.080 from s Paolo, Brazil and that she was doing pretty 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.040 well here even though her English wasn't great. They find 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.080 a picture of Carmen, who is beautiful like most of 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.320 the victims on the show, and Susie tells them she 0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:17.960 recently broke up with a boyfriend and she said that 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.080 Carmen said she was going to make the ex pay 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.720 and that the ex boyfriend's name was Drew Lamberley. 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:25.160 Dun dun dun. 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.320 So we're connecting the dots here back at the precinct, 0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.680 Benson's adding Carmen's pick to the wall of info, you know, 0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.280 the little Homeland wall that they always have going on, 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:39.600 and says the Emmy confirms that DNA proves it's Carmen Trencoso, 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.800 Drew Lamberley's ex who is the victim that they have found. 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.920 So Anna Rivera has vanished and there's no record of 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.200 her on any flights. And suddenly in walks Drew Lamerley, 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.400 Susie called him. He thinks he should make a statement, 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.560 and then they're like about what, and he goes, Carmen Trencoso, 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:56.520 it's my fault. 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:57.480 She's dead. 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.680 Music swells and we fade to come for some reason 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:03.479 there Deton. 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:05.320 This is Eric Vondtton. 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:09.080 He's a child actor who was in a ton of 0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.680 stuff and actually voiced the psycho neighbor kid named Sid 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:13.760 in all the toy story. 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:14.920 I didn't know that. 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.080 Yeah, I just found that out when I was looking about, 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:21.200 uh looking him up. He doesn't act anymore. Oh really, yeah, 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.239 it looks like he stopped. He came out of retirement, 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.640 they said to do one toy story thing in twenty ten, 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:26.200 and that's it. 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:28.200 I wonder what he's up to. 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.759 I know, well, oh actually his Wikipedia said he's like 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.520 a banker now, he'd like or business like investment banking 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.200 type of stuff, which he kind of has to look for, 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.960 you know. Yeah, I remember him the most from Princess Diaries. 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.680 Yeah, that's and we know that's a blind spot for 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:48.399 old Kara. Well it's also he was a lot. 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:50.719 He was always on the covers of like Tiger Beat 0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.320 J fourteen, like he was part of that. 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:59.520 Crew of ten heart throbs with highlights. So well, he's 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.600 a little hard. He's married with kids now and he's 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.080 doing like regular business for work. But I'm sure people 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.640 recognize him all the time, and I'm sure his episode 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:07.480 comes on all the time. 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.120 But there's something about. 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.760 The way he says Carmen Trencoso, Like I always remember 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:13.239 the way he says that, and when I think of 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:15.520 this episode Privilege, I go, I'm always like, is that 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:19.040 the Carmen Trenkoso episode? Like because of his like a 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.359 rich kid pronunciation of her name. But anyway, so top 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.920 of back too, Drew's given them all the info. He's like, 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.360 Carmen and I dated a month. It was really intense. 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:29.440 It was so intense I had to end it. He 0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:32.120 broke up with her ten days ago. She took it badly, 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.680 kept following him around, showing up at his apartment, and 0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:39.359 then he last talked to her Saturday. She begged to 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:41.440 see him, but he was in the country with his family. 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.319 So the cops are asking, so, is Anna rivera dead 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.880 or what? And Drew's like, no, Actually, one of the 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.040 other maids just heard from her. It turns out she's 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.799 in Miami visiting a sick aunt. You're like, okay, I 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.200 guess I'm happy to like close the loop on that. 0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.000 But he sounds it feels like he's lying a little bit. 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.640 So why is Carmen wearing a maid's uniform? And Drew's like, well, 0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.360 she couldn't get into the building any other way. I 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.040 told the door met not to let her in. She 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:08.680 must have made a copy of my key while I 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:10.680 was sleeping and then snuck in as a maid or 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.320 that was her big ruse. So Stabler pulls out the 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:16.279 big guns and throws a bunch of picks of Carmen's 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.120 beaten body on the table and. 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.080 Is like, look at this, you little prick. Look what 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:20.759 you did to her. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.800 And then he admits that him and Carmen had a 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.040 lot of rough sex, but he's like, Carmen loved it. 0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.200 It was never enough for her. She always wanted more. 0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:30.640 She wanted me to choke her until she blacked out. 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.400 I couldn't do it. It was too much for me. 0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:35.680 That's why I broke up with her. So I don't 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.720 know this kid's a good actor because like, at points 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.360 of it, you're like, is he telling the truth? 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:40.200 Who knows? 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:44.680 Yeah, But you know, it's like it's such a acting 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.520 for me because it's like I don't buy it. 0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:49.680 I don't buy it. If you had no, I don't 0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:50.040 buy it. 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:55.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we cut to Daddy Cragan gathering answers. 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.719 He says there was They find out there was, in 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.840 fact a ten minute phone call I'm the Penthouse to 0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.160 Connecticut at five point thirty two on Saturday. The bruising 0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:08.200 could be consensual what Stablers take, And Stabler's like, this 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:10.799 kid's got an answer for everything. So then he's like, 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.880 all right, well we don't have a lot right now. 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.520 Let's like gently and discreetly look into Drew's history, but 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.160 be chill because these are rich people and they will, 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.040 you know, lean on the brass at one pp as 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.759 we always hear about. So Benson notices that Carmen's date 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:29.160 book has her meeting with Roger Bernbaum three times last week. 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.400 Benson dials the number and goes, guess who I'm on 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:37.600 hold with? Roger Burnbaum and Delile personally personal injury lawyers. Now, 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.640 Benson and Stabler are walking and talking with a lawyer 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:43.640 who's carrying way too many files, and he admits that 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.959 he represents Carmen, but he says, I can't discuss anything 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.320 about the case without your her permission. And they're like, 0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:50.560 we're sorry to tell you, sir, but your client is dead. 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.759 And he's like, what happened and he explains to them that. Well, 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.080 they tell her that she died by suiciding. Delile goes, well, 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.799 Carmen was suing for a settlement from her ex boyfriend 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.239 for rape, and they're like, did she have a good case? 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.239 And he's like, honestly, no. She told him that their 0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:10.080 sex life had gone increasingly violent. She tried to break up, 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.439 he pursued her, she resisted he raped her and beat her, 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.920 but she refused to report the assaults to the police 0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.680 because she was afraid it would affect her student visa. 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:21.279 So we talk all the time about a lot why 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.360 a lot of women don't report. This is another reason that's, 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.839 you know, very understandable. They were like, did you believe her? 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.960 And he goes, I believe he hurt her very badly. 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.040 I wasn't sure he raped her, but I took the 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.120 case anyway because I figured they'd settle. They're the Lamberley's 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.879 who would want this to be public. So now we're 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.360 back at the Lamberley penthouse and Douglas introduces Benson and 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.840 Stabler to his attorney. And her name is Lorna Scary, 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.400 but he pronounces it's scary, and maybe it is scary. 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.960 I think the name Laura Scary is very funny. How 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.480 do you say the children's book author whose name is Richard? 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.400 I say scary. You say Richard Scary, but I think 0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:58.560 it's wrong. No, it's scary. 0:38:58.719 --> 0:38:59.080 I don't know. 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.560 I always saw I grew up saying Richard scary. This 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:03.799 woman's name is pronounced is spelled like his. But I 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:06.759 love the idea of a defense attorney named Laura Scary, Like, 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.680 what a funny last name for that line of work. 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:14.800 She is in six episodes of SVU, this character Laura 0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:18.200 Scary and this is the first one. And her name. 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.800 The actress's name is Maryette Hartley. She has one hundred 0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:23.200 and thirty six credits. She's been acting since the sixties. 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:28.000 She is prolific. The detectives are like, oh, that's interesting 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:29.000 that an attorneys seer. 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:30.560 We just came from Carmen's attorney. 0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.439 Laura makes a nasty dig, being like, oh, has mister 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.600 Deliah been hit by any ambulances lately, implying you know 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.400 that he's an ambulance chaser lawyer and not as highbrow 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.560 as she is. She implies that Carmen was unbalanced and 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.920 trying to extort the Lamberleys, and when it didn't work out, 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.920 she took her own life. Drew swears he's innocent and 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:51.400 that Carmen liked the rough stuff, and the lawyer is like, an, 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:54.680 I've got three affidavits from three of Carmen's former boyfriends, 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:56.960 two of whom she picked up in bars, as if 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.520 that fucking matters, and they will testify that she was 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.479 an animal. The rougher the sex, the better, So they're 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.080 really painting a picture here. These people have got it 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:11.040 all figured out. Back at the precinct, Live is complaining 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.560 to Daddy Craigs that the lamber Leys are jerking them around. 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.000 She's like, they've got every base covered. You know, this 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.640 just feels a little bit too, you know, sewn up 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.600 and clean, because that's kind of how rich people get 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:25.040 things done. The report of Drew's pass is pretty typical 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.160 rich boy. He's with an eight figure trust fund, He's 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:30.080 got a couple of fancy car recks, no record, no 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:31.160 ex's crying rape. 0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:33.040 He was pretty popular. He played sports. 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:35.520 He could have played in college, but he never graduated 0:40:35.600 --> 0:40:38.000 high school. Like he was good enough. He was good 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:39.560 enough at hockey that he could have gone on to 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.560 play in college, but he was like, never graduate high school, 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.920 so what's up? Then he did three years of college 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:45.799 in Paris, where I guess they don't give a shit 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.400 if you finished high school, not in the States at least, 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:50.680 And then Craigan says, well, we don't have time to 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:53.200 chase shadows. Go check out why I love how Craig 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.160 and keeps being like, there's barely a case here. Go 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.799 check out one more thing, and then we're shutting it down. 0:40:58.160 --> 0:40:59.600 So he's like, go see if you can find out 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.600 why he didn't graduate. If you don't find anything, this 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.440 case is closed. So now we're at Radley High School 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.160 and a headmaster is telling them that they had to 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.880 expel Drew and that the school didn't meet his needs 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.239 and they it was a shame they had to expel 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.640 him because he was a good student, but he disrupted 0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.680 the senior prom. He brought an attractive older woman as 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.960 his date. They both got drunk, there was an altercation. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.680 The woman called the police and accused Drew of assaulting her. 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:27.520 The police didn't seem to think so she dropped the charges. 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:29.960 But the school has a no alcohol policy. So that's 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.759 what got him kicked out, not that he was potentially 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:36.839 abusing someone or brought, you know, possibly a sex worker 0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:38.279 to his prom, but just the fact that he was 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.200 drinking got him kicked out. So it was five years 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.800 ago and this man, this head master, does not remember 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.279 the woman's name. So now Benson and Stabler are at 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:50.320 the twenty ninth precinct where this prom assault was reported, 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.759 and Stabler's on the phone at the captain he's like, well, 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.920 we got a date for the prom It was May sixteenth, 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.640 nineteen ninety seven. So then Benson comes out of the 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.359 police department and she's like, so there's no sixty one 0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:06.040 and Stable's like, there's no report, and she's like, no, 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.279 they filed a report, but the sixty one has disappeared. 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.640 And then it looks like the lamber Les are sweeping 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:16.200 up after Drew again. So but this time she said 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.759 they missed the spot. One of the cops filled out 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.000 an aided card. 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:20.959 In my. 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.759 Captions it said aided. I don't really know what an 0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.960 aided card is, but they're kept in a different place 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:31.799 than the sixty one's. So when they were, you know, 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.040 getting rid of all their evidence with whoever they had 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:36.040 on the inside of the police department, the lamber Les 0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.520 did not get this aided card. It has the list 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.719 the victim's name listed as well as an address, and 0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.719 the victim's name is Jenny White, twenty. 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:44.200 Four years old. 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:48.560 So now they're at this brownstone and a woman opens 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.120 the door and her name is Camilla Hartnell and she 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:55.239 looks like a rich Uppery's side lady too, and they're like, hi, 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.440 we're looking for Jenny White, and she's like, I don't 0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:58.480 recognize that name. 0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:00.520 I've lived here twenty years. I don't know Jenny White. 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:02.000 And then a man. 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:05.400 Starts to leave the brownstone and she goes, oh, hi, Frank, 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.560 see you tonight around six, and she kisses this guy 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.960 on the cheek. He wordlessly leaves, and then the cops 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:14.080 turn to leave and she shuts the door. Benson thinks 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:15.799 this is a dead end. She's like, all right, here's 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:17.840 what we gotta do. And then Stabler goes, hold on 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.760 a second. He clocks a lady with a guy about 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.359 to enter this brownstone. Then, but then the girl goes, 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:25.200 you want to get a cup of coffee? 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:27.840 And the guy she's with goes, I guess sure. 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.160 So as soon as they see the car, as soon 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.000 as she sees the cops is when she starts this 0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.320 little coffee charade and nothing gets by eagle eyed Stabler, 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.200 he's like, this place is a brothel. So he heads 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.120 back up to a couple steps. They knock on the door. 0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.520 She comes back and she's like, you're still here, and 0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.760 they're like yeah, and we're ready for the truth. Now, bitch, 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:47.680 tell us where Jenny White is or we're gonna have 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.160 Vice tear this place apart. And this woman like doesn't 0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.280 skip a beat. She goes, you really think I'm afraid 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.319 of Vice. I'll have to do is make one phone call, 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.560 and Benson goes, yeah, why don't you do that and 0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:00.400 just barges past her and initiates a full raid. They 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.160 got everything, they got, random girls in robes to girls 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.719 in tube dresses sitting on the couch. Everybody's just hanging 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:10.120 around and uh, she's there. She's like everybody up against 0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.800 the wall, like this is a raid. And Camilla, the 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.120 rich lady looking lady who was actually a madam, goes, okay, okay, 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.239 I'll give you what you want. She goes, Jenny White 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.680 stopped working here three years ago. Where is she? She's 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:25.239 married to Angus Rochester, one of the richest men in Manhattan, 0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:26.720 and she's say. 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.480 Are rich people committed to bonkers? Names? 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.279 Like am I missing something? You just get wealth and 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.319 then you name someone Angus. I don't get it. 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.160 I mean, I have a friend whose kid is named Angus, 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:42.080 but she's Scottish. I think it's like part of their heritage. 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:46.719 But like, yeah, Rochester, just anything ending in Chester, Winchester, 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:50.080 Rochester like, you know, all we talk about the girls' 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:53.680 names and they are cute, but like, what's what's Tinsley's 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:59.880 sister Dinsdale. Oh, Tinsley's sister Darby Darby. I mean, and 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:05.280 those are southern, those are southern, well, the Northern Wealth. 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:08.160 It's like, it's like, I don't know what's saying. 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:12.640 I rewatched the movie Misery, and Bunny McDougall was in 0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:16.799 the movie, and I remember that I saw your story. 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.640 I love Also, none of you have ever seen the 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:20.360 movie Misery. 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:22.520 It really holds up. 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.400 It's increasible, it's amazing, it's terrifying. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.239 It is well because I recently had an audition that 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.200 I did not nail. I did not get it, but 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.160 it was supposed to be a Misery type character. 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.279 And watching her nail it, I was like, oh, this 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:42.600 is beyond my so good that it's wild. 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:48.120 But alay back to anyway, Jenny Way is now married. 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:51.560 To Angus Rochester and Jenny White is such a trash name, 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.160 like that is you know that's a bad teen Jenny White. 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:57.560 Yeah, Jenny, why could be anything to me? 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.680 It could be popular girl, trash, It's very blank slate. 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.840 But she the woman goes she probably doesn't want to 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:06.880 talk about the past that much now that she's you know, 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.880 living her pretty woman fantasy, like I you know whatever. 0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:12.520 So now they go stop Jenny White in the street 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:14.640 and they're like Jennifer White and she's like, I'm sorry, 0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:18.000 my name's Rochester now, and uh yeah, she's full a 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:21.040 pretty woman like walking down the street with a friend 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:24.080 and like has a coat with a fur trim. And 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.759 they bring up the prom night and Camilla Hartnell, the 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.000 woman who runs the brothel, And when they bring up 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.680 Drew Lamberley, her face is clearly like I remember, and 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.799 her husband and daughter start approaching and she goes, yes, 0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:37.800 Drew Lamerley rate me, but if you ask me about 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:39.600 this in front of my husband, I will deny it. 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:41.360 And then she runs off to be with her little 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:46.120 picture perfect fam and then Stabler gets a call. Benson says, well, 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.800 I guess Drew gets away with it again, and Stabler, 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.160 from his phone call goes, well, maybe Drew's luck just 0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.240 ran out. Now they're at the lab with a friend 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.040 of the pod Joel de la Fuente aka Rubin Morales 0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:00.560 aka Taru to many of you, and he says something 0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:05.480 bothered him about Carmen's suicide. So with a computer program, 0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:09.080 he created a wild re enactment of Carmen's death and 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.920 he's like, if she had just jumped, she would have 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:14.959 landed in a totally different yard, like the neighbor's yard 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:17.600 of the one she fell in, but with some propulsion, 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.520 she lands where she landed, so propulsion equals done. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:22.000 Done. 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:25.320 She was pushed, So Benson and Stabler do some body 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.120 to body role play that I'm sure made a lot 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.359 of you very horny when you watched it, where it's 0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.680 like and then I push and then you put, and 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:33.080 like they're doing a little bit of role play in 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.480 front of Reuben, and then they decide that Carmen did 0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.640 not die by suicide, it was murder because they figured 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:40.239 it all out there. 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:41.800 They've done the physics, they've done. 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:47.000 The cosplay da Dad, So now they've got to sell 0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:49.720 Daddy Kraigan. And he's like, you guys have no evidence 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.200 of who might have done this, but they know it's Drew. 0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:54.319 They're like, this is not the first rich kid who 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.719 thinks he can treat women how he wants, and there 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.600 could be other victims who were bought off. 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.600 We don't know. Swears he can prove it s Drew. 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.880 But Craigan is like, okay, first start with how he 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.960 ran a red light in Connecticut at the time of 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:06.520 the murder. 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.120 And Stabler's like, well, there's a hat covering half his face. 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:12.319 And Craigan is like, well, hey, Munch, is there some 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.640 work you could be doing, even though Munch. 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:15.399 Is obviously doing work. 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.640 He's like looking at black and white footage, not just 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.680 like watching television. And he's like, well, I was looking 0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.200 at earlier footage, because we were just looking at the 0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.680 footage of Carmen going into the penthouse. But there's all 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:29.680 this earlier footage, and earlier I can see. Look at 0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.120 the clock. There's a place on the tape where the 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:36.319 clock jumps forward ten seconds and it looks like a 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.760 piece of the tape was edited out. So the doorman 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.719 from the Lamberley building said that a guy from security 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:46.560 came by on Sunday morning for a maintenance check. Okay, 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.680 we know what's going on here, more cleanup from the 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.760 rich folk. So someone else entered that penthouse before Carmen arrived. 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.920 They think Drew kills Carmen calls his family in Connecticut 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.200 for nine minutes, which is what explains that phone call, 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:01.839 not what Drew said, which was Carmen calling him from 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:03.600 the penthouse to beg him to come into the city. 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:06.799 Then the dad jumps in the car and runs a 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:10.440 red light for the instant alibi for his son. Now, 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:12.920 by the way, Olivia has a Bieber swoop at this 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:16.800 time period. It's very you know, highlights, very smooth, little 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:17.920 like helmet. 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.160 Oh did I already talk about Bieber on this podcast 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:23.799 in general, I don't even know. 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:25.520 I saw a clip. 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.799 So like kid Laroi is on stage singing and then 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:31.120 like Bieber's off to the side on the railing of 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.200 the stairs to get onto the stage, but he's blacked 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:37.400 out drunk, so he's super drunk, but he's singing voice 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:40.960 of an angel. I am a stand forever, I am 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:46.680 a bieberhead. Like he sounded so good, hitting every note, 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.440 bent over, blackout drunk on a railing, and like the 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:52.480 kid Laroi is like kind of laughing at him. But 0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:56.080 like even when he's singing, I forgot the words like 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:58.080 sounds incredible. 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:02.480 Wow, I'm a believer. Thank you, Yeah, I'm a believer. 0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.120 I mean I love this show. Uh, the song what 0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:05.480 is it? 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:05.960 Love? 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:06.440 Yourself. 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.320 Oh yeah, there's a bunch I like. I like, sorry, 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.080 I do too. I just kind of was like whatever, 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:12.600 I like him. 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:16.120 But watching this, like just someone's cell phone video of 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.640 him singing like an angel. 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.399 Well, you know he was found like he can play 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.560 a bunch of different instruments, like I do think he 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.080 was found by school because he is like a musical 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:26.319 kind of like wonder Kid. 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.120 You know, no, he is. 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:32.560 Well, there's like a video circulating on Instagram where it's 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:36.120 a like a Diane Sawyer type but I've never heard 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:39.200 of her. And she's like, so people say, you're just 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:42.480 a marketing thing, and you're just a YouTube marketing a 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:43.560 product of marketing. 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.640 What do you think? And he's just like thirteen. 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:48.520 The comments are like, why are you beefing with a 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:49.600 thirteen year old boy? 0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:52.520 But he goes, I don't know. 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.040 I mean, it's really cool that I live in this 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:59.799 tiny town in Ontario and was able to get discovered 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:02.799 and am now like a huge star. It gives hope 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.120 to other kids that live everywhere. And then she names 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:09.200 some other She goes, well, what about this person. He's 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:13.320 from your town and he's a newscaster, and he goes, yeah, 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:14.120 he's Canadian. 0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.719 No one in Germany knows who he is. Don't you think, 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:20.680 how are you letting a thirteen year old fucking school 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:21.720 you so hard? Lady? 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.520 And then she didn't answer it, and he goes do 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:28.040 you think that? And like he like, yeah, he schools her, 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:31.560 he schools her. But it's like, why are you against 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.000 this child? But it's how they treated Britney Spears and 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.640 all young performers for yea. Yeah, just mad for no 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:39.839 reason at these talented young kids. 0:51:40.320 --> 0:51:40.560 Yeah. 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:42.879 No, I don't think anyone can really deny that Justin 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:46.000 Bieber has musical talent. But if you want to not 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:49.280 like him because of his attitude or swagger or whatever, 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:52.680 that's you know, do you But musically he's very talented. 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:53.359 Yeah. 0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.359 So if you want to see this video of him drunk, 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:57.080 I watched him maybe three four times in a row. 0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:03.000 Ooh okay, I loved it. I'll check it out so away. Wait. 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.399 Wait, that's where that's where we are, that's the that's 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:08.480 the that's the live hair check for the day. 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:09.720 It is a swoop. 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.560 Okay for a second, I was like, how did we 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:14.239 get here? Yeah? Hair aaking. 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:16.760 I put it in as a fully out of nowhere. 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.440 Note so now back to the case. Stabler is like, 0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:22.080 Drew must have had help with this case because, like 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:24.360 with this cover up, because there's no way that he 0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:26.960 would have been able to leave no trace of himself 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.600 on this balcony, but make sure that Carmen's prints are 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.200 still there. So then Finn appears out of nowhere with 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:34.560 a mic drop and goes, yeah, here's how he did it. 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:38.000 Guess which cop interviewed Jenny White five years ago dot 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:42.800 dot dot. Tom Payson, the Lamberley security guy, if you remember, 0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:44.960 he was a cop at the two nine that's where 0:52:45.000 --> 0:52:49.359 the sixty one disappeared from. Fuck, these people have inside guys. 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:52.640 So they bring in Tom Payson and he is playing dumb. 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:54.640 Fin and Munch are laying it all out for him, 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:56.719 doing their little Fin and Munch act that they do. 0:52:57.160 --> 0:53:00.279 They're like, here's what happened. Drew invites Carmen over to 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:03.000 dresses a maid. They fight, he rapes her, pushes her 0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.840 off the balcony. Then the cover up. She has no face, 0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:08.920 she's in a maid's uniform. Why not move Anna Rivera 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.319 out of town and make everyone think it's her. But 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.240 then the stupid cops figure it out anyway that it's Carmen. 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:16.560 So now they got to paint her as a slutty 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:18.560 nut who takes her own life because of losing her 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.680 rich boyfriend. Who could think of all this, someone who 0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:25.200 knows the cops the way they do things. You Tom Payson, 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:27.960 and he goes, wow, SVU, I thought you guys were 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:30.520 just the panty police, and he's like, but you guys 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:34.600 are on another level in dreamland, so they're like Carmen. 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:36.640 He's the guy's like, Carmen was a mixed up kid. 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:38.640 She died by suicide. I looked at the I look 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:41.600 at the evidence, you dumb bastards. This guy is so smug. 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.680 He stands up like he's gonna leave, and they're like, 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:45.600 you must have forgotten the loss since you've been off 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:47.919 the job for so long, and fin Sis's ass right 0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:50.719 back down and he looks a lot more nervous. So 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.239 now we finally get to discover where the country home 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:57.919 is in Connecticut, and it's in Greenwich, which is very 0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:00.239 close to where I grew up. I don't really understand 0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:01.920 why you would have a country home there, but I 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:05.759 guess it's probably a lot easier than going out to 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:08.439 the Hampton's not as much traffic because nobody's really going there. 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.120 Benson and Stable are at the Lamberley residence in Greenwich, Connecticut, 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:17.120 and Missus Lamberley enters wearing a very rich lady scrunchy 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:19.000 slash hair piece like I don't know what it is, 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.160 but her hair's pulled back with this little like a 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.480 bit of flair in the hair, I would say. Her 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:26.000 home is decorated with dozens of chairs that you would 0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:28.600 never want to sit on, and she's on her way 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:30.839 out to another charity thing, so she doesn't have time 0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:33.239 to talk. And they're like, we need to speak to Drew, 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:35.920 and she goes, that's not possible. He's my escort for 0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:38.160 the night. And then Drew enters in a tux and 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:40.239 they tell him they know he was in the penthouse. 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:41.799 Grandma's getting worked up. 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.359 No, he was with us out here, tell them Drew, 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:47.160 and he asks if there they can do this somewhere else. 0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.840 His grandma is not well, so then Stabler brings up 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.840 Jenny White, and Grandma's like got the look of recognition 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:55.680 on her face and she goes, I knew this would 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:56.480 come out eventually. 0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:59.400 I told you, I told your father. He wouldn't listen. 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:03.279 She said she thought Drew should take his punishment for 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.919 hurting Jenny, and she admits that he did assault her 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.480 and she wanted to protect him, so she did send 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.839 him to Paris, but she insisted he get help, and 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:12.920 she sent him to six months in a psych hospital. 0:55:13.239 --> 0:55:15.399 He was a child then, he's a grown up now. 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:17.719 So I love how this is all the Jenny White 0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:20.080 thing is happening all just I believe out of the 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:23.080 statute of limitations for this time because it's five years later. 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.239 So I don't think they can even though they're all 0:55:25.280 --> 0:55:27.279 admitting to it now, they must all know that he's 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:30.080 not in any danger of getting arrested for that crime. 0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:31.720 So she tells them. 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:33.920 Give him a test. Go ahead, give Drew a lie. 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:36.160 Detect your tests, like blah blah, blah, blah blah. And 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:38.560 they're like, so if you think that Drew didn't kill Carmen, 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:42.760 who did? And Drew goes Tom Payson. He was obsessed 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:45.120 with Carmen and he wasn't in Connecticut with the rest 0:55:45.160 --> 0:55:49.600 of the family Saturday night. So they're just throwing their guy, 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:53.279 paysin under the bus. Here cut to Huang giving drew 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:56.439 the polygraph, and he's asking him some pretest questions about 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:59.040 his relationship with his parents. He says, well, my mom 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.399 isn't well, she has been for a while. My dad 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.120 works all the time, so I guess you could say 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:06.279 we're mutually indifferent. He plays a card trick with the 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:07.960 kid and he's like, you have to lie to me, 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:10.040 no matter what, even if I guess the correct card. 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:12.960 And so he does it. He does it, He does it. 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.640 The guy lies and then he shows him look, the 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:19.000 machine clearly registers the lie. So I don't know why 0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:21.400 we always go through this charade with the light. The 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:23.879 light detectors when they're not admissible and people can learn 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:25.200 how to beat them, but here we are. 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:28.560 It takes some for fun. We should organize something. I 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:30.480 would love to take one. I would love to see it. 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:33.360 If I could control my breath and beat it. I 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:35.480 bet I can. Oh, I actually have taken I don't 0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:37.279 know why I pretended I did it. You haven't. You've 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:39.360 taken one. I forgot. It just came to me. 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:43.319 The Lucas brothers did like a fun little show at 0:56:43.360 --> 0:56:46.239 Montreal one year just for laughs, where they attached their 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:49.320 friends to lie detectors and ask funny questions. So I 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.799 did do that, but I'm not really They were just 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:53.080 like have. 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:53.719 You been to jail? 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.480 And I was like yeah, Like like. 0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:57.160 Have you ever done that? 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:59.799 I'm like, sure have Yeah, you had no intent him 0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:01.960 to on a comedy show. We got to try to 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.359 get on there and like beat it. But what they 0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:06.080 have to ask us about a crime we really committed. 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:07.440 So first we have to commit a crime and then 0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:08.239 we got to do it. 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.839 Yeah, or maybe secrets like I wonder, but I would 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.200 love to do maybe some you know, like the Vanity 0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:15.920 fair Lie detector tests. 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:21.160 Yeah, interesting, we should, we should. Let's look into it. 0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.360 We'll get our staff on it. Getting that would be us. 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:29.040 So now the test, the light detector's test really starts 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:33.360 after the little pre questions, and he admits to raping 0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:36.400 Jenny White but denies raping or killing Carmen. So we 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:39.120 cut to the Huang debrief after the test. He says, 0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:42.400 look at the look at the print out, drew past 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:43.240 the polygraph. 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:44.920 But Huang thinks he's lying. 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:47.800 He's like, I think he used countermeasures to manipulate his 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.720 body's response. He ramped up his body's response to the 0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:53.000 control questions so he could cost through the other ones. 0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:55.680 He beat the machine, and that's why he wanted to 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:57.600 take the test so bad, because he knew that he 0:57:57.600 --> 0:57:58.120 could beat it. 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:01.600 So I wonder who that's well, that's what they teach 0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:05.680 at private school. That's sad. They teach you polygraph beating. 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.760 At college prep, all boys, rich kids schools. They got 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:10.240 to teach them about the lighte detectors. 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:13.560 Yes, they teach them all of the different ways that 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:16.760 you can avoid getting arrested or having any consequences for 0:58:16.800 --> 0:58:19.520 your actions. I love that a little lighte detector class 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:24.800 Thin and Munch roll in to say that Paysin denies 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.720 murdering Carmen, but will not die and Drew, even though 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:30.160 his whole family is just drop kicking this guy under 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.000 the bus so hard. So just when they think they've 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.760 got nothing, they get another magical call from CSU. 0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:37.640 This is like the. 0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:39.560 Fourth time this episode where it's like, we got nothing. 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:41.920 Bring on the phone rings and they get some more 0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:45.600 information talking to some nerdy tech now who is different 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:49.880 from Reuben who found some nice high end swede in 0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:53.000 the heel of Carmen's shoe. So this swede was not 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:55.160 made in the us. It was probably made in one 0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:57.960 of the Baltic states. And if the purp has the jacket, 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:01.320 this nerd says he can match it. So now they 0:59:01.320 --> 0:59:04.040 get into the mansion to search Drew's room. They got 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.200 a drunk judge during a poker game to sign on 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:10.360 this warrant off of a tiny bit of suede, and 0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:13.480 they're at the mansion searching Drew's room. Benson immediately finds 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:15.680 the jacket with a heel impression on it. They did 0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:17.120 all this clean up, they didn't get rid of the 0:59:17.200 --> 0:59:18.479 jacket he was wearing with a. 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:19.920 Full heel hole in it. 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.640 They arrest Drew on the spot and as they bring 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:26.000 him out of the as they wheel him out, Grammy 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:30.600 looks horrified. So now we're at the top of act four. 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:35.080 The Lamberley lawyer named Lorna Scary blows into Alex Cabot's 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:38.160 office offering to make a deal. She goes, man two 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.440 five years in a psych institution, and Cabot's like, lol, 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:45.720 he brutally murdered someone. How about murder two twenty five 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:50.439 years in regular prison. Scary's like, Scary, Scary, I can't, 0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.120 I can't do this. Scary tells them that they are 0:59:53.160 --> 0:59:56.520 going to for a not guilty by reason of mental 0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:59.640 disease or defect defense and hands over the results of 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:03.080 Drew's psych evaluation and it finds that Drew had diminished 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:07.160 capacity due to brutalization at the hands of his father. First, 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:09.439 any of us are hearing of this, and Alex thinks 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:12.640 it's ridiculous. So now Huang is explaining to Cabin and 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:16.000 Benson that this is an impressive strategy. Brutalization is part 1:00:16.000 --> 1:00:21.560 of Lanni Athen's violentization theory, which is real. I look 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:25.160 this up. He's a criminologist who has a theory of violentization. 1:00:25.720 --> 1:00:29.040 He believes that violent environment and example are cause of 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:33.760 all criminal acts. And stage one there's four stages. Stage 1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.880 one is brutalization, Stage two is bulligerency. Stage three is 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:41.080 violent performances in stage four is virulency. But in brutalization, 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:45.120 the individual engages in violent demeanor through observation and demonstration. 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:48.560 This stage is divided into three types of experience violent 1:00:48.600 --> 1:00:53.560 subjugation and personally assaulted or being or being threatened, or 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:57.320 number two personal horrification where witness they witness other assault 1:00:57.440 --> 1:01:00.320 or are threatened, or three they're violent violent code, Ching 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:04.520 taught how to execute violent behavior. So I thought that 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:07.040 was interesting. I'd never heard of this theory before. But 1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:11.600 according to Huang, this Lonnie Athens guy interviewed one hundred 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.280 convicted violent criminals and found that they were all abused 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:16.880 as children. They all witnessed abuse, and they were all 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:21.480 taught to use extreme violence and stressful situations. So Cabot 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:23.600 is like a little bit nervous. Now She's like, how 1:01:23.600 --> 1:01:25.600 am I going to fight this? And Huang goes, why 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.520 don't you just remind the jury what he said about 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:29.920 his father in the pre polygraph interview, like that the 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:31.800 relationship was one of mutual indifference. 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:33.360 He never mentioned anything about this. 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.480 So now at the trial, Grandma Lamb Lamb is on 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:41.080 the stand explaining that Drew's childhood was hard because excellence 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:43.520 was expected and when he failed, he was punished by 1:01:43.520 --> 1:01:46.400 his father. His mother, Grace, tried to protect him, but 1:01:46.440 --> 1:01:49.360 she was terrified of Douglas. She turned to alcohol and 1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:52.040 that's why she's at a clinic in Bermuda. Finally we understand, 1:01:52.040 --> 1:01:54.640 like where the mother went. Drew hasn't seen her since, 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.520 so she fled her child and life and is just 1:01:57.560 --> 1:02:01.160 living in Bermuda. She said Douglas would beat Drew after 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:04.800 a flunked test or a lost game, and Scary presents 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:07.720 an X ray of a broken arm and is like, 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:09.320 do you remember what this is from? And she said, 1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:10.800 it's from when Drew got into a fight at a 1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:13.920 hockey game, but it's not from the fight. His father 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:16.120 threw him down the stairs after the fight in the 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.760 hockey game because you didn't win it. So the next 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.040 fight he was in was so bad he had to 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:23.360 be pulled off the other boy and he nearly killed him. 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:25.800 So she's trying to show examples of how the father's 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:29.760 violence is causing his violence to escalate. So now it's 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:32.560 Cabot's turn, and she's like, you don't have a problem 1:02:32.600 --> 1:02:35.120 absolutely thrashing your son in open court, do you, And 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:37.160 she's like, well, I fucked up with my sons, so 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:39.520 don't mock me for trying to do better with my grandson. 1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:43.120 And then Cabot tries to present that what Drew said 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:47.040 to Huang, but Scary jumps in and goes, that's privilege, 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:49.480 which drink. It's the name of the episode, but it's 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:51.440 in a different way that you thought this is about. 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:54.120 Client privilege when I feel like this episode is more 1:02:54.160 --> 1:03:00.760 about privilege of financial privilege and societal privilege. So because 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:03.440 she's arguing that because Huang is a psychiatrist, even though 1:03:03.480 --> 1:03:06.640 she's not his psychiatrist, with a psychiatrist, there's an expectation 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:10.680 of privacy, and so the judge agrees and says that 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:13.240 the mutual indifference comment is out. 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:15.040 Anything he told Huang is out. 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:19.400 So Cabot regroups and goes, well, did Douglas teach Drew 1:03:19.400 --> 1:03:19.919 how to rape? 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:20.200 Too? 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:24.000 And Grandma Lamberley says he taught Drew how to abuse women. 1:03:24.120 --> 1:03:26.720 Drew's mom will testify to that, and Cabot's like, well, 1:03:26.720 --> 1:03:30.120 she's in Bermuda, so any other examples, and she says 1:03:30.320 --> 1:03:33.000 he taught Drew to think that women could be bought. 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.360 Alex says, well, so does the advertising industry, like he 1:03:36.440 --> 1:03:37.800 must he learned how to do with all of this 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:40.800 on his own, and she says no, Douglas started taking 1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:43.440 drud to visit sex workers when he was thirteen and 1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:45.160 told him that you buy a woman and you can 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:47.600 do anything you want with her. So that's how we 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:51.080 end her testimony, and Cabot is at the precinct now 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:54.480 very frustrated that the defense is clearly winning. Here, she says, 1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:57.560 if Drew was a fatherless child of a crackhead her words, 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:00.960 not mine, we wouldn't blame them. We wouldn't blame them 1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:03.440 for using an environment defense. And Stable's like, well, I 1:04:03.480 --> 1:04:05.720 do blame his environment. He's a spoiled rich kid and 1:04:05.720 --> 1:04:08.360 his family helps him get away with it. So Stable's 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:12.920 basically doing like a pre affluenza argument before affluenza became 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:15.240 like a real term. We'll have to prove that he's 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:18.880 acted violently before and without provocation. So we got to 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.760 go back to the Jenny White drawing board. Okay, we go. 1:04:21.880 --> 1:04:24.560 We find Jenny White and she's loading her baby into 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:26.400 a car with a nanny. She does not want to 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:29.280 talk to the cops who are begging her please, like 1:04:29.360 --> 1:04:32.000 we need you. Her husband, Angus comes out and wants 1:04:32.000 --> 1:04:33.760 to know what's up, and he's like, I know all 1:04:33.760 --> 1:04:34.840 about Jenny's past. 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:36.760 It's like, yeah, I'm sure he's very rich. 1:04:36.800 --> 1:04:39.800 I'm sure he like somehow vetted her and decided it 1:04:39.840 --> 1:04:42.600 was worth the risk of marrying a former sex worker 1:04:42.600 --> 1:04:45.320 when you're a wealthy Manhattan person. So now they're very happy, 1:04:45.360 --> 1:04:49.520 like Richard, you're and Julia roberts. But Olivia says to Angus, 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:51.720 maybe you don't know the whole story, and she goes 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:53.960 and he Angus goes, I'm her husband. 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:54.360 Try me. 1:04:54.720 --> 1:04:56.640 So now they're both at the precinct and Jenny is 1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:58.480 spilling all the promenade details. 1:04:58.800 --> 1:05:01.240 She says Drew needed it. He bought her address, he 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:03.400 picked up in his car. For a while, it just 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:04.800 felt like a regular prom date. 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.240 He pulled her into a room at the prom started 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:09.000 to have sex with her, which she went along with 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:11.320 because she was a sex worker at the time. But 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:14.120 suddenly he slapped her and says, I'm not paying you 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:17.000 to enjoy it, bitch. He ripped her dress, hit her 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:19.760 again and again, she said, and raped her and a 1:05:19.800 --> 1:05:22.280 couple of the other girls at the brothels said he 1:05:22.320 --> 1:05:25.040 would also hit them back, but he was easier to handle. 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:28.480 Then he was only thirteen or fourteen. Oof, So at 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:31.600 the prom he was like sixteen or seventeen, And this 1:05:31.800 --> 1:05:34.960 is yikes. This kid was hitting women at the age 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:37.880 of thirteen and fourteen. So then Stabler goes, oh, so 1:05:37.960 --> 1:05:39.560 like when his father first brought him in when he 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:41.840 was thirteen or fourteen, and then Jenny goes, no, that 1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:44.800 was the sickest thing. His grandma would bring him in 1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:48.240 and pick his girls for him. Done, Dune, done, done, 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:52.560 huge twist, big apps, What did I just realized? 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:54.440 We can never sing on this podcast? 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:57.640 But we forgot that we don't have to sing copywritten music. 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:03.280 We can sing on We can make up songs. 1:06:03.800 --> 1:06:09.720 Yes, yeah, we can become composers. Correct, yeah, that's true. 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:11.880 We can make up little songs. I will think of 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:16.480 one for next time. So back at trial, Drew is 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:20.520 on the stand. It's it's it's baby boy, tiger beats 1:06:20.560 --> 1:06:23.040 time to get on the stand. He told Carmen it 1:06:23.120 --> 1:06:26.080 was over. She got upset, ran to the balcony, screamed 1:06:26.120 --> 1:06:29.320 at him, hit her, He snapped, he saw red. He 1:06:29.360 --> 1:06:31.200 pushed her against the railing and he says he just 1:06:31.240 --> 1:06:33.640 pushed her and pushed her until she fell. He says 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:36.480 he did not mean to kill her, and Cabot says, 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:39.680 remind us how you broke your arm. And at that moment, 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:42.320 Jenny walks into the courtroom with her husband and Drew 1:06:42.400 --> 1:06:44.760 looks spooked, like you could see it's like throwing him 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:45.280 off his game. 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:47.920 And he's like, uh, I told you my dad did it. 1:06:47.960 --> 1:06:50.760 And Cabot's like, I actually have Affi davits from the 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:53.360 school and the teacher who brought you to the er 1:06:53.480 --> 1:06:57.120 after you broke it that said that all confirmed that 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:59.640 you broke it while playing hockey, and they remember because 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:01.760 they were worried that your parents would sue the school. 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:04.520 So maybe the flip side of the privileges that people 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:06.880 remember things about you because there were your parents are 1:07:06.880 --> 1:07:09.240 going to ruin their lives. He's like, no, no, no, 1:07:09.280 --> 1:07:11.200 it was my dad. By the way, where the fuck 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:13.680 is the dad? He doesn't show up to this trial 1:07:13.720 --> 1:07:16.439 where a his son is on trial and his mother 1:07:16.560 --> 1:07:19.400 is testifying that he's a fucking abuser, and he's it's 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:22.120 all over. The whole trial is that he's this abuser. 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:25.440 So then Cabot says, do you recognize this woman and 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:28.680 points to Jenny White, and he says no, fully lying 1:07:28.760 --> 1:07:31.280 you can tell. So Cabot goes, well, I have her 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:34.160 statement that you attacked and raped her without provocation. And 1:07:34.200 --> 1:07:35.680 I think Cabot may have gone a little bit too 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:37.520 big here. She made too big of a swing because 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:40.840 the defense of Jecks and the judge is like, watch yourself, Cabot, 1:07:40.920 --> 1:07:42.400 you got to stick to the facts of the case. 1:07:42.400 --> 1:07:45.120 You can't introduce new material at trial because I don't 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:46.800 know that. For some reason, you're not allowed to bring 1:07:46.880 --> 1:07:49.240 up prior bad acts for some I don't really get 1:07:49.280 --> 1:07:52.280 why not, and maybe because the statute of limitations is ended, 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:55.040 and because there was never a conviction or a trial 1:07:55.080 --> 1:07:58.320 for that. But now she asks him, who took you 1:07:58.360 --> 1:08:00.880 to Brothels? And I remind you that you're under oath 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:03.120 and he says, my dad did. And Cabot doubles down 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:05.520 on the question and is like, who took you to 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:09.000 the Brothels? But in the galley, Grandma Lamberley is getting 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:10.000 very wark worked up. 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:11.280 She stands up, she's. 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:15.040 Yelling that's enough, that's enough, and then she does this 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:18.200 little old lady moan where she's like oh, and she 1:08:18.360 --> 1:08:24.240 falls down. Drew goes totally postal. He tries to attack Cabot. 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:26.719 He goes, look, well you did, you, bitch. You're gonna 1:08:26.720 --> 1:08:28.960 pay for this. I promise you over and over again, 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:29.880 saying you're gonna pay for this. 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:30.600 You're gonna pay for this. 1:08:30.840 --> 1:08:33.320 So now the whole jury, the whole courtroom has seen 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:38.360 this kid unprovoked go completely fucking crazy and sort of 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:42.320 negate the defense that you know he had that he 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:45.559 has to be provoked with violence. So in the final scene, 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:49.519 Douglas is back, I guess from whatever little trip he 1:08:49.680 --> 1:08:53.560 was on, not defending himself, againt Ben's being a brutalizer. 1:08:54.000 --> 1:08:56.200 He leads Benson in to see his mother. She's in 1:08:56.240 --> 1:08:59.040 a wheelchair, and Benson's like, are you ready for jail, mama? 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:02.960 And she's like, what on earth? And they're like, Douglas 1:09:03.040 --> 1:09:05.719 told us everything. And she looks at Douglas and goes, 1:09:05.760 --> 1:09:07.840 what have you done? And he says, I'll let you 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:10.880 turn my son into a monster. And then she said 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:14.080 you are nothing. She screams at him. She's like, you 1:09:14.120 --> 1:09:17.120 are nothing. I built this family. You never loved Drew 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:19.439 like I did. I made him a man. And she 1:09:19.520 --> 1:09:22.360 keeps calling him nothing and saying you're nothing, You're nothing, 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:26.840 as Benson leads her out in cuffs and that's dick 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:30.160 wolf baby. That's the end of this fucked up family. 1:09:31.040 --> 1:09:34.840 So hopefully Drew goes to jail. I think we can assume, yes, yeah, 1:09:34.960 --> 1:09:40.679 take them all to jail, do not passco Yeah, for sure, 1:09:42.080 --> 1:09:47.000 but looking forward to hearing what you've stirred up for 1:09:47.120 --> 1:09:49.680 us true crime wise, Lisa, I would love to. 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:52.960 We'll be right back after these messages. 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:10.520 All right, I hope you thoroughly enjoyed our commercials. 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:14.439 So this is based on two crimes. 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:18.280 So the first one is more of like rich rich, 1:10:18.400 --> 1:10:22.840 rich family vibes, and the second one is cops and 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:27.360 spinning women into stupid, dumb whores that deserved it, you know, 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:31.200 so in doing a bad job. So those are the 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:35.080 two journeys we will be going on. One you guys, 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:39.160 you will know the person. The second one it's in Japan, 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:41.320 so I don't think you'll know anything. 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:42.720 And let's go. 1:10:43.439 --> 1:10:45.640 So the first case we're going to cover is the 1:10:45.680 --> 1:10:50.160 William Kennedy Smith rape allegations. And since it's the Kennedy family, 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:53.960 I think I have to continue saying allegations and alleged 1:10:54.200 --> 1:10:56.600 because they seem litigious. 1:10:56.840 --> 1:11:02.080 Okay, So, but it was fun in some. 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:04.880 Of the articles to see Carol Raswell, she's like on 1:11:04.920 --> 1:11:09.800 the board of this guy's foundation. So interesting, it was nice. 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:13.960 The housewives are everywhere people, so yes, it's this Kennedy family. 1:11:14.240 --> 1:11:17.240 And so this William Kennedy Smith dude, he is the 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:21.439 nephew of President John F. Kennedy and Senators Robert F. 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.360 Kennedy and Ted Kennedy. And he's the child of former 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:28.040 Ambassador to Ireland Jean Kennedy Smith, who is the second 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:32.080 youngest of the nine siblings. And his father was Stephen Smith, 1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:35.840 who managed the Kennedy family's holdings up until he died. 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:40.519 So not just financial but everything, so Stephen kept all 1:11:40.520 --> 1:11:45.240 the secrets. Jane was John's sister and YadA YadA. So 1:11:45.720 --> 1:11:50.320 he William Smith. He goes by Willie Smith. And he 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:52.360 was accused of raping a woman he had met at 1:11:52.360 --> 1:11:53.759 a bar in Palm Beach, Florida. 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:55.600 Was he held accountable? 1:11:56.320 --> 1:11:56.559 Hell? 1:11:56.680 --> 1:11:58.800 No, Okay, he was acquitted. 1:11:59.120 --> 1:12:02.519 So Kennedy Smith was a thirty year old medical student 1:12:02.560 --> 1:12:05.839 at Georgetown University, and he was accused of sexually assaulting 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:08.439 a twenty nine year old Florida woman in the early 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:11.479 hours of March thirtieth, nineteen ninety one, at the Kennedy 1:12:11.560 --> 1:12:15.559 family's Palm Beach compound. The story is that he went 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:17.639 out the night of March twenty ninth out in Palm 1:12:17.680 --> 1:12:20.960 Beach with his uncle, Senator Ted Kennedy and cousin Patrick 1:12:21.040 --> 1:12:24.360 Kennedy on Easter weekend. So they ended up at a 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:28.280 night's spot called au bar ubar au. 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.759 Well you would say o bar, but it's because it's French, 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:33.719 it's au yeah, o bar. 1:12:33.960 --> 1:12:37.320 Yeah okay, And that's where he met his accuser. So 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:40.799 the woman said that he identified himself as William Smith 1:12:41.000 --> 1:12:44.479 and said, oh, this is my uncle Ted and they're partying. 1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:47.200 And then it wasn't until later that she realized, oh fuck, 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:51.640 that's Senator Ted Kennedy. So he brought her back to 1:12:51.680 --> 1:12:53.400 the compound and they. 1:12:53.280 --> 1:12:56.400 By the way, like only rich people have compounds, Like 1:12:56.439 --> 1:12:58.880 you can be like kind of broke and have like 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.479 your front house and maybe like your back farm and 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:04.519 then maybe like your side area where like your cousin 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:06.720 lives and no one's ever like, oh yeah the compound 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:09.320 over on the Jennings farm, Like it's only rich people 1:13:09.320 --> 1:13:12.280 have fucking compounds. Well, yeah, how can a poor person 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:15.160 have one? Well, because it really all a compound is 1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:17.320 is just like a bunch of buildings that your family owns. 1:13:17.320 --> 1:13:20.679 But I think other people have that kind of setup. 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:21.840 We just don't call it that. 1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:25.160 Yeah, like my big fat Greek wedding like they all 1:13:25.200 --> 1:13:26.840 have on a block or something, the. 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:29.639 Greek compound or like you could argue that the guy 1:13:29.680 --> 1:13:32.080 for making a murderer. He lived near his parents. They 1:13:32.080 --> 1:13:35.080 all live near a trash yard. Like that's a compound. 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:38.160 You're right, but you would never say the making of 1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:45.360 a murderer compound. Oh so yeah, like burning tires. So 1:13:46.040 --> 1:13:48.160 they went on a walk on the beach, during which 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:51.720 time he allegedly tackled and raped her. She said she 1:13:51.800 --> 1:13:54.599 began to leave and started to walk away and was attacked. 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:56.639 She tried to run to the pool area and that's 1:13:56.640 --> 1:13:59.679 where he physically tackles her. He held her down while 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:02.320 he lived at her dress and pulled down her panties. 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:05.320 She said she struggled and kept telling him no, and 1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:07.600 that after the assault, he kept telling her that he 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:11.680 did not rape her, So she called her friends right 1:14:11.720 --> 1:14:15.400 away for help after the events. The official Palm Beach 1:14:15.640 --> 1:14:19.519 police report on March thirtieth reveals the emergency room doctors 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:22.719 at Humana Hospital who examined the woman after the alleged attack, 1:14:23.120 --> 1:14:26.320 said that she had suffered a possible rib fracture and 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:29.599 that she had abrasions and bruises that they reported as 1:14:29.720 --> 1:14:33.559 minor but were there now Smith is rich and smart, 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:36.280 and he denied talking to the Palm Beach detectives. 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:39.400 Of course, he said, lawyer lawyered up. He did not 1:14:39.760 --> 1:14:43.200 make any statements, any chats with the cops. After the 1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:46.280 report was made public, the lawyer for the accuser charge 1:14:46.320 --> 1:14:50.040 that Smith had hired private investigators to intimidate a material witness. 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:54.240 Smith and his attorneys of course denied this. They also 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.760 had nine months to come up with a story and 1:14:56.840 --> 1:15:00.679 answer for everything. So like the court case didn't happen 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:03.640 n till December, and this happened in March. And so 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:06.800 you know, the victim had to give five statements. Her 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:09.439 deposition took three days and there was seven hundred and 1:15:09.479 --> 1:15:13.240 twenty pages of deposition. He never had to give a statement, 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:16.240 never did anything, had access to it, and then had 1:15:16.360 --> 1:15:20.080 nine months to see everything that she said to come 1:15:20.160 --> 1:15:22.160 up with whatever he wanted for it. 1:15:22.280 --> 1:15:22.479 You know. 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:24.560 So the rape trial. 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:27.839 Begins December second, nineteen ninety one. December second is Britney 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:31.160 Spears's birthday and World Aid's Day, and I'll remember that forever. 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:35.600 So the judge of this case was Judge Mary E. 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:41.120 Lupoh, and she barred prosecutors from presenting testimony from three 1:15:41.160 --> 1:15:46.240 other women who claimed Smith had assaulted them. So yeah, 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:49.120 that sucks. So three other people had accused him. They 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:53.120 were not allowed anywhere near this case. And the judge, 1:15:53.479 --> 1:15:55.720 like everyone else, was just like really into being with 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:59.960 the Kennedys, Like she was greeting Sergeant Shreiver in her 1:16:00.040 --> 1:16:03.920 court room after being introduced to him by Smith's attorney, 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:06.480 Roy Black, So she was like out there taking photos 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:09.320 with part of the Kennedy family during this fucking trial. 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:11.960 One member of the family for some reason said, don't 1:16:11.960 --> 1:16:15.080 worry about us for dinner. We have strategy sessions every 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:18.200 night at dinner at the compound, and that was reported 1:16:18.240 --> 1:16:22.080 by Vanity Fair. Also, part of their strategy was not 1:16:22.160 --> 1:16:26.479 to appear too rich, so no limos, no chauffeurs. They 1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:29.679 arrived every day in like a truly beat up nineteen 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:33.000 eighty nine Mercury station wagon who that was driven by 1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:37.000 their longtime housekeeper, so still a little rich. I mean, 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:39.960 they didn't drive themselves, and none of the family was 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.519 spotted out in Palm Beach during this time except to 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:44.599 go to church. So they would all go to Saint 1:16:44.720 --> 1:16:47.880 Edward Roman's Catholic Church where photographers were ready to take 1:16:47.920 --> 1:16:50.400 pictures of them, and they have pictures of Smith like 1:16:50.479 --> 1:16:54.080 kneeling at prayer, but no nightlife. They didn't go out anywhere. 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:58.120 It was just compound church court doing research for this. 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:01.959 It also is like clear they have connections to everyone 1:17:02.120 --> 1:17:05.400 and very expensive pr This spin is wild, like it 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:09.520 just talks so much about his foundations and all his credits, 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:15.320 and just the way a lot of the articles were framed. 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:18.360 It's like, oh, you've been a prominent family for forty 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:23.559 years in the States, Like it's it's glaring, or maybe 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:25.920 it's not, but for me it was obvious. So he 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:28.080 took the stand in his own defense and said that 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:30.640 he had sex with the woman, but that was consensual, 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:34.439 so the old she said yes defense. Millions of people 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:37.960 watched this nationally, so this was a big TV event, 1:17:38.240 --> 1:17:41.840 media circus, you know, a Kennedy rapist. Even though the 1:17:41.880 --> 1:17:45.200 media circus was happening, her identity was kept secret for 1:17:45.200 --> 1:17:48.240 a really long time and millions of people only saw 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:51.240 her as a figure behind a gray or blue electronic circle. 1:17:51.560 --> 1:17:53.600 So depending where you live, I'm sure the color was 1:17:53.600 --> 1:17:57.360 different from the incident to when she entered the courtroom 1:17:57.439 --> 1:17:59.679 nine months later. She had never made a public statement 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:03.800 or apearance at all. The Kennedy family was never worried 1:18:03.840 --> 1:18:06.600 about the trial, and Vanity Fair reported that from the 1:18:06.640 --> 1:18:09.639 first day there was private talk about the victory party 1:18:09.640 --> 1:18:10.839 that would follow the acquittal. 1:18:10.960 --> 1:18:11.919 They were not nervous. 1:18:12.400 --> 1:18:15.120 It's no secret that prosecutors that work from the district 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:18.360 attorney like, they're not as good as the defense team 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:21.680 that a Kennedy could hire, and so that was a 1:18:21.680 --> 1:18:25.439 big issue in this too. So the prosecutor was Moira 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:28.040 lash and she was a star. 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:29.679 In her office and this is very SVU. 1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:31.519 We always say this isn't real, but she had nearly 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:35.839 one hundred percent track record for convictions and in nineteen 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:38.240 eighty seven she was named Prosecutor of the Year. 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:42.479 So damn yeah yeah right yeah. 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:45.759 Smith had Roy Black and he was known in Miami 1:18:45.920 --> 1:18:49.400 legal circles as the Professor and you know, he just 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:54.160 defends murderers and drug traffickers. So a real linel went Granger. 1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:56.680 This is That's who I'm imagining and all of this. 1:18:57.400 --> 1:18:59.920 For example, one time he defended like this is how 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:01.839 good of a lawyer he is. One time he defended 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:04.519 a woman who was charged of drowning her three year 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:07.960 old son, and he succeeded in keeping the jury, like 1:19:08.080 --> 1:19:10.400 keeping the jury from the fact that her other children 1:19:10.479 --> 1:19:16.000 also drowned in a sink. Oh my god, Like he 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:21.040 is a very good lawyer, so and then evil is 1:19:21.080 --> 1:19:25.120 a better word, yes, and then he's the shit right. 1:19:25.400 --> 1:19:28.200 So Black also had. 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:30.559 A team of three other lawyers, so he had like 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:35.040 a team of four lawyers. Smith was also like Black 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:37.920 took a really low rate. So you only charged two 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:41.360 hundred and fifty thousand dollars for this, and it's just 1:19:41.439 --> 1:19:43.679 to get publicity. And I guess that's like really cheap 1:19:43.720 --> 1:19:45.040 for like a Kennedy family. 1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:47.519 But don't worry. They still spent tons of money. 1:19:47.960 --> 1:19:51.479 Smith was able to hire five private investigators who worked 1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:54.080 for months digging up info on the victim, her friends 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:58.080 that she called that night after the incident, like full 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:00.160 on investigat. 1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:00.880 Like I don't understand how this. 1:20:00.880 --> 1:20:04.519 Is even legal or real or like, yeah, aren't you 1:20:04.640 --> 1:20:07.880 supposed to be like a quick swift trial, Like it's 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:12.080 so fucked. Also lash like you know, she's a woman, 1:20:12.320 --> 1:20:14.040 so that adds probably to it. 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:15.120 But very unliked. 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:18.080 She was a very unliked, not friendly nobody was rooting 1:20:18.120 --> 1:20:20.840 for her. She was getting daily bad reviews in the 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:24.799 newspaper and on television about her somber style, never playing 1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:27.360 it up to the jury and never deviating from her 1:20:27.400 --> 1:20:30.800 pre written questions. And they called, you know, as I said, 1:20:30.800 --> 1:20:34.920 she's a woman. They called her shrill often and casey 1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:35.839 Novak vibes. 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:37.720 She also went after the judge. 1:20:37.840 --> 1:20:40.080 She tried to get her to recuse herself because she 1:20:40.160 --> 1:20:42.600 was prejudiced in favor of the defense. The motion was 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:45.479 denied and it was catastrophic, like it was a big error. 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:48.240 But she still believes that. 1:20:49.120 --> 1:20:52.240 There was prejudice and this judge shouldn't have done it 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:57.360 because also her co counsul Ellen Roberts, Ellen Roberts husband 1:20:57.560 --> 1:21:01.840 and the judge's husband and gave litigation against one another 1:21:01.920 --> 1:21:02.559 over money. 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:05.679 Oh my god, Yeah, you have to recuse yourself. You're 1:21:05.720 --> 1:21:09.320 like personally involved. Yeah, it's crazy. 1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:12.719 But the victim later said that she does not feel 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:15.800 any hatred towards Lash and she didn't let her down 1:21:15.840 --> 1:21:18.200 at all. She admired her and was so proud of 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:19.960 the work she did, and they formed a real bond 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:22.040 and she was like everyone kept calling her like ice queen. 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:24.280 But the night the verdict came out, she came over. 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:26.599 We cried and hugged, and I know she did her best. 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:31.240 She said, I strongly believe that Judge Lupo couldn't stand her. 1:21:31.760 --> 1:21:35.120 So she's taken selfies with the Kennedy so she's a 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:36.160 different kind of person. 1:21:36.920 --> 1:21:37.720 I remember this. 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:40.880 I remember the blue the blue bubble over the face. 1:21:40.920 --> 1:21:44.639 You do. I remember her talking with the blue bubble. 1:21:45.600 --> 1:21:49.839 Whoa yeah, because this trial was when I was like twelve, 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:51.280 probably did. 1:21:51.360 --> 1:21:53.960 When was the trial in ninety two, ninety one, oh 1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:56.679 ninety one, I was eleven, but I remember it being on. 1:21:58.320 --> 1:22:03.439 Damn yeah. Okay, So the trial lasted ten days quick. 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:08.840 The two sides though called forty five witnesses, and when 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:11.080 the woman took the stand, she this is how she 1:22:11.160 --> 1:22:13.599 described things on the stand. She said that she felt 1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:16.560 perfectly safe because it was the Kennedy home. There was 1:22:16.600 --> 1:22:18.639 a senator there, so she assumed there would be really 1:22:18.640 --> 1:22:23.599 good security. And then she started weeping on the stand 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:26.439 when she was describing the attack, and Vanity Fair reported 1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:29.920 that it did send chills through the courtroom. In quotes, 1:22:30.040 --> 1:22:31.920 she said, I thought you was going to kill me. 1:22:32.560 --> 1:22:34.800 Because she took the stand. Then Smith also took the 1:22:34.880 --> 1:22:38.040 stand and whatever. He was a very good witness to 1:22:38.520 --> 1:22:41.439 Vanity Fair said they were both good witnesses, whatever that means. 1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:44.559 So his take was very different than hers, and he 1:22:44.600 --> 1:22:47.840 framed it as like him as a passive participant. So 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:50.960 he's like, she picks me up, she unbuttoned my pants, 1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:51.960 she massaged me. 1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:53.840 She she, she, That's what it did. 1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:56.439 But like the whole time, the victim was speaking from 1:22:56.479 --> 1:22:58.400 a place of violence, and he just talked about it 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:02.000 like it was sex. December eleventh, the jury deliberated for 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:03.400 seventy seven minutes. 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:05.320 That's it. 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:09.760 And it's a six member jury and that's a Florida thing. 1:23:11.000 --> 1:23:14.960 But yeah, like I guess for felony cases Florida. 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:18.320 It's six Oh okay, yeah. 1:23:18.840 --> 1:23:22.760 Honestly, like, this was so fast that the Kennedy's left 1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:25.320 court and just got to their compound as they were 1:23:25.320 --> 1:23:30.120 asked back to court. So it was so quick, and 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:34.200 he was acquitted on all charges, which included second degree 1:23:34.240 --> 1:23:38.320 sexual battery and misdemeanor battery. Fun fact, one of the 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:41.479 lead defense attorneys, Roy Black, who I keep talking about, 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:47.760 ended up marrying one of the jurors. No, shut the 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:52.479 fuck up now, So he married Lisa Leah Haller In 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:56.719 nineteen ninety five, she was quoted to the Associated Press 1:23:56.720 --> 1:23:59.360 after the court case that the condition of the dress 1:23:59.400 --> 1:24:01.920 the woman wore or the night of the incident lacking 1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:05.000 tars or stains, was an important factor in her decision. 1:24:05.840 --> 1:24:10.200 What, first of all, did anybody ever consider, like what 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:13.320 this woman's motivation would be for doing this? Because this 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:15.320 isn't a civil trial, Like she's not trying to get 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:16.840 money out of the Kennedy's right now. 1:24:16.840 --> 1:24:17.960 This is a criminal trial. 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:20.080 She knows that she's gonna have to put herself through 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:22.080 all this bullshit, that they have so much money, they're 1:24:22.080 --> 1:24:23.800 gonna dig up her whole fucking past. They're gonna go 1:24:23.840 --> 1:24:27.360 after her friends everything, Like if she unbuttoned his pants 1:24:27.360 --> 1:24:28.880 and had sex with it, Like, what is it She's 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:31.720 so remorseful that she had drunk sex with someone that 1:24:31.800 --> 1:24:33.840 she's willing to go through in nine months of pre 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:35.360 trial trauma. 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:39.160 I mean, it's just so, what's her motivation to make 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:40.479 this up? Oh? 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:46.479 It's I mean, it's ridiculous, the spin, the patriarchy. I 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:48.719 don't know, I sound like a broken record. It's a nightmare. 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:51.680 After the verdict was read and after the judge gave 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:54.800 a heads up before it was read that she said 1:24:54.800 --> 1:24:57.599 that there should be no public expression, like she would 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:00.640 not tolerate any of it. But he smiled, jumped up 1:25:00.640 --> 1:25:04.320 and hugged everyone and could not stop grinning. And it's 1:25:04.360 --> 1:25:06.680 because he escaped a fifteen year sentence. And while he 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:10.280 was smiling, four out of the six jurors wept openly 1:25:10.320 --> 1:25:12.000 as they glanced over at Smith. 1:25:13.680 --> 1:25:17.880 Why if they're weeping. They obviously believed her a little bit. 1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:20.200 I know a lot of the stuff I've read about 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:22.960 this was like it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt, 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:25.280 And with these cases, I guess it's just like hard 1:25:25.280 --> 1:25:25.640 to have it. 1:25:25.640 --> 1:25:27.880 It's just see and he said, she said, without like 1:25:27.920 --> 1:25:29.479 a videotape of it happening. 1:25:30.560 --> 1:25:33.519 Yeah, well, you're gonna love our next crime. 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:36.880 So and right after he gave the statement, he ran out, 1:25:36.920 --> 1:25:40.360 like right after the verdict. He ran out, gave a statement, 1:25:40.560 --> 1:25:44.639 flashing camera lights, media waiting outside, hundreds of people chanting 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:48.400 his name, Willie, Willie, applauding him. So one of the 1:25:48.439 --> 1:25:51.439 attorneys who brought forth the charges told reporters, So, his 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:54.240 name is David Roth, he told reporters. According to the 1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:57.639 Washington Post, and we believe this. The jury has spoken. However, 1:25:57.720 --> 1:26:01.160 not guilty does not equate to innocent. The rape counselor 1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:03.000 who helped the accuser of the day of the incident 1:26:03.040 --> 1:26:05.439 told the Associated Press, I believed her then and I 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:08.280 believe her today to the New York Times. In fact, 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:11.440 at the time of the incident, police prosecutors, the rape counselors, 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:14.439 and the doctors believed her story and she passed two 1:26:14.520 --> 1:26:17.920 polygraph tests and a voice test analysis. 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:19.960 Roy Black afterwards went out a press tour. 1:26:20.400 --> 1:26:23.280 He's a fucking ass, he told he talked to USA 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:26.439 today and what he said about Smith was in quotes. 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:28.559 The jury got a look at him, they saw he 1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:32.479 was articulate, well spoken, the antithesis of a rapist, Like 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:34.520 what are you talking about? 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:38.920 Like every rapist looks like the boogeyman, Like this is insane. 1:26:39.360 --> 1:26:42.439 It's it's insane, But it's the nineties, and you know, 1:26:42.479 --> 1:26:45.200 we just covered a thing where like a lesbian's kid 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:48.000 was taken from her, you know, like this isn't bullshit. 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:50.559 It's just wild that the nineties we were alive in 1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:53.080 the nineties, Like, it's just so weird that the nineties 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:57.400 were so bad, like and they're they're very recent. 1:26:58.920 --> 1:27:02.280 Yeah, and so he kept talking about the woman, and 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:06.520 he was referring to her as troubled, disturbed, mentally unstable, 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:08.120 and it's like you already won. 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:09.880 What are you doing? 1:27:11.200 --> 1:27:13.559 Like I don't get it, And yeah, the rich just 1:27:13.560 --> 1:27:16.040 stay rich. And guess what the defense applied for the 1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:18.960 state of Florida to assume some of Smith's legal fees, 1:27:19.200 --> 1:27:20.240 like he can't afford it. 1:27:20.720 --> 1:27:24.080 Yeah, So I hope all those people that were outside 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:26.719 yelling Willy Willy willy are excited that their tax payer 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:30.840 monies are going towards this alleged rapist. 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:32.400 So the woman. 1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:35.000 Quoted to the Post said, despite the enormous price I 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:37.720 have endured, I do not for one moment regret the 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:39.360 course of action I have pursued. 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:41.120 Yeah, exactly. 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:44.679 It's just like she didn't stand to gain really anything 1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:48.120 from this. And I'm I mean, I'm glad that she 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:50.639 probably made it a little bit easier for the next 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:53.400 person to take a case like this to trial. But 1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:57.040 if she wasn't reliable, if she was crazy and unstable 1:27:57.080 --> 1:27:59.760 and all these things that this guy's saying about her, 1:27:59.800 --> 1:28:04.280 the prosecution would not have opted to prosecute. They would 1:28:04.320 --> 1:28:07.439 have been like, your case is not reliable, like Barbara 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:09.560 and Cabot and them are plenty of times like I 1:28:09.600 --> 1:28:12.360 can't win this case. I'm not taking this trial. You know, 1:28:12.920 --> 1:28:16.360 that's such a good point. So they took it to trial. More, 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:18.800 this person with a one hundred percent conviction rate took 1:28:18.840 --> 1:28:21.559 it to trial because she knew that this was a 1:28:21.600 --> 1:28:23.680 good witness and this was not that there are good 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:26.000 or bad victims, but that this was a solid case. 1:28:26.160 --> 1:28:29.960 You know, No, that is a very good point. She 1:28:30.040 --> 1:28:33.160 did later reveal herself. So her name is Patricia Bowman. 1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:38.080 She's residing in Jupiter, Florida, twenty miles north of Palm Beats, 1:28:38.640 --> 1:28:42.120 and she came from like money, not obviously Kennedy money 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:42.760 in any way. 1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:44.479 But it's not like she. 1:28:45.040 --> 1:28:47.160 Like you said, was in it to get like a 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:50.960 cash scrab or anything like that. Her stepdad, Misster O'Neil's 1:28:51.000 --> 1:28:53.200 quoted to The Times, this is not about money, this 1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:56.439 is about justice. Her mom was an executive, Her stepdad 1:28:56.439 --> 1:28:59.200 had a fortune of ten point three million dollars. Her 1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:02.240 family lived on an exclusive golf course, and the fought 1:29:02.360 --> 1:29:04.719 like the father of her child. She's a single mom 1:29:05.120 --> 1:29:07.839 owned some lumber family, like he was from a lumber family. 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:12.840 So she had a good life. She had money, She 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:16.040 had a fun life in Florida, and she did get 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:19.840 a lot of speeding tickets, she did. But yeah, she 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:22.880 loved to drink and like hang out and let loose 1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:26.040 and go to night life spots. And Vanity Fair asked 1:29:26.080 --> 1:29:28.040 her one of the most asked questions about you is 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.040 what was she doing in a bar at three o'clock 1:29:30.080 --> 1:29:32.920 in the morning? And she answers, yes, I was out 1:29:32.960 --> 1:29:36.040 late with friends, but so was he. The issue of 1:29:36.080 --> 1:29:38.200 what I was doing at three in the morning has 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:40.920 nothing to do with what happened for me from that man. 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:44.280 That's literally me every single night of my twenties and 1:29:44.439 --> 1:29:49.320 half of my thirties. Like what being out til three am? 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:50.880 You're out til three am all the time? 1:29:51.439 --> 1:29:53.080 Yeah, but I never thought of it like she just 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:55.160 said it so concisely, where it's like, what was she doing? 1:29:55.160 --> 1:29:56.880 And why is it ever? Like what is he doing? 1:29:57.040 --> 1:29:57.080 We? 1:29:57.160 --> 1:30:00.280 Yeah, why he's probably looking for people to rape? Why 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:03.080 is that never turned around? Like I'd never seen it 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:06.960 so clearly to me at least, So Vanity Fair went 1:30:07.080 --> 1:30:09.840 to speak to Patricia Bowman in Jupiter, Florida, three days 1:30:09.880 --> 1:30:12.760 after the verdict. She was asked why she decided to 1:30:12.760 --> 1:30:15.000 go public after being so private for you know, the 1:30:15.040 --> 1:30:17.880 whole time. She said she only agreed to two interviews, 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:21.719 Vanity Fair and Diane swear Class Act. 1:30:22.320 --> 1:30:24.360 She responded that she had. 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:26.280 To because mister Black was saying she was nuts and 1:30:26.400 --> 1:30:28.439 using her name on TV, so like she had to 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:30.800 come forward and be like, I'm not a lunatic. 1:30:31.000 --> 1:30:33.639 Hello, and she's a little bit of a Benson. 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:36.840 And she said, in quote to Vanity Fair, besides, I 1:30:36.880 --> 1:30:39.120 felt the need to get out there and urge victims 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:42.560 to prosecute because it's part of the healing process. The 1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:45.080 reporter said that during Bowman's time on the stand, a 1:30:45.120 --> 1:30:47.920 woman reporter sitting next to them whispered in their ear. 1:30:48.600 --> 1:30:52.439 If I were ever raped, I'd never report it. So 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:55.040 it's like the opposite. Like we were talking about how 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:57.439 like this might encourage people to come forward, but this 1:30:57.520 --> 1:31:01.040 actually does the opposite when you like you have so 1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:03.439 much to lose. I think about doctor Blasi Ford all 1:31:03.439 --> 1:31:07.439 the time, Yeah, constantly, Like I think about her all 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:13.080 the time, and that's part of it, probably why they 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:15.720 treat these women so bad to make sure that the 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:17.040 rest of you shut the fuck up. 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:17.360 Mm. 1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:21.720 Yeah. 1:31:21.840 --> 1:31:24.000 She was asked how she felt when the verdict was read, 1:31:24.040 --> 1:31:27.240 and she said this in quotes. I was having so 1:31:27.280 --> 1:31:30.240 many flashbacks when he had me in that little room 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:31.920 and I told him that he raped me, and he 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:35.320 looked at me the calmest, smuggest most arrogant man, and 1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:38.120 he said, no one will believe you. And the jury 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:40.240 came in and said not guilty. And I was right 1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:42.080 back in that room with the man telling me no 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:42.960 one would believe me. 1:31:43.479 --> 1:31:46.720 It's like she didn't invent that story. Like, I don't know, 1:31:46.880 --> 1:31:47.839 that's just like people. 1:31:48.080 --> 1:31:50.280 I don't know. Because also. 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:54.160 If I got to go back to the Kennedy compound, 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:57.240 I would try to like have a good time, Like 1:31:57.240 --> 1:31:59.200 I would try to get an invite back, you. 1:31:59.080 --> 1:31:59.559 Know what I mean? 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:03.000 Ye you, I don't know why you would be like 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:07.479 And it just does make sense, Yeah, that she would 1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:09.880 that she would completely fabricate this whole thing. 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:11.320 Yeah, this makes sense to me. 1:32:12.080 --> 1:32:14.000 He's a doctor, he's living a rich ass life like 1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:17.960 nothing ever happened to him, but rape accusations come pretty 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:21.320 regularly in his life. So CBS News reported that he 1:32:21.400 --> 1:32:23.240 was being sued in a civil court by a former 1:32:23.240 --> 1:32:25.439 personal assistant who alleged that he raped her in nineteen 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:29.360 ninety nine. He said these claims were outrageous, untrue, and 1:32:29.400 --> 1:32:33.760 without merit, and it's like, I mean, they're not that outrageous. 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:37.600 He blames that his family and personal history is the 1:32:37.640 --> 1:32:41.439 reason he is vulnerable to these kinds of allegations. The 1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:44.200 suit was filed by then twenty eight year old Audra 1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:49.000 Sulias and alleges that after a night of drinking in 1:32:49.080 --> 1:32:51.200 nineteen ninety nine, he forced her out of a cabin 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:54.160 into his home, where he sexually assaulted her. She was 1:32:54.200 --> 1:32:56.719 working as a personal assistant for Smith at the Center 1:32:56.760 --> 1:33:00.479 for International Rehabilitation, which is a group led by Smith 1:33:00.520 --> 1:33:04.200 that helps landmine victims. She claims that afterwards Smith left 1:33:04.240 --> 1:33:08.280 her apologetic voicemail messages, but still this resulted in a 1:33:08.320 --> 1:33:12.040 relationship that lasted several months, but that the relationship further 1:33:12.439 --> 1:33:16.599 victimized her. And that's according to NBC News and also 1:33:16.680 --> 1:33:18.960 like the boss employee relationship to add on top of it, 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:23.519 Cook County, My County what Cook County Circuit Judge William 1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:26.640 Maddox ruled that those two phone messages unfortunately did not 1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:29.519 meet the legal standard of extreme and outrageous conduct to 1:33:29.640 --> 1:33:32.519 justify the suit. Her lawyer was pissed and was quoted 1:33:32.520 --> 1:33:35.920 by the Chicago Tribune saying that Smith has got seven 1:33:36.000 --> 1:33:39.479 women under gag orders right now. He does have power 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.439 and money to stop these things. In fall of two 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:44.840 thousand and three, two other women filed complaints with the 1:33:44.840 --> 1:33:49.120 Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, claiming repeated sexual harassment and unwanted 1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:53.120 sexual advances. He of course claimed these were just disgruntled 1:33:53.120 --> 1:33:56.720 employees who failed to get promotions and yeah, so he's 1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:58.760 just like has charities and as a doctor and is 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:00.200 a Kennedy and that's it. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:00.759 It's fucked. 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:03.280 It's so fucked because if you do happen to get 1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:06.840 to court with one of these guys then and then 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:11.280 they get off, like then they just use the high 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:15.559 profile case as something to hide behind. Oh well, she's 1:34:15.600 --> 1:34:17.760 coming after me now because that last woman accused me 1:34:17.800 --> 1:34:19.479 and now she thinks she's going to get famous from 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:21.160 it and she's gonna get money from it and blah 1:34:21.200 --> 1:34:23.960 blah blah. So it's like letting these guys off like 1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:28.400 the one time, it almost gives them more. You know, 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:30.920 it's hard enough to get somebody this rich and powerful 1:34:31.080 --> 1:34:33.920 on the stand and into court anyway, and then it 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:37.080 just gives him extra ammunition. I feel like against future 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:41.720 assault like victims, you know, because he can just they'll 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:43.719 just say, well, this is what I get now because 1:34:43.760 --> 1:34:44.799 of my last big. 1:34:44.640 --> 1:34:47.920 Trial and your family killed Marilyn Monroe. Like, I don't 1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:51.800 trust any of you. Go fuck all of you. You 1:34:51.880 --> 1:34:56.360 deserve all of them except Carol Livesville right. Well, and 1:34:56.960 --> 1:34:59.519 but she married in that's so different. 1:34:59.760 --> 1:35:02.000 Yeah, but they also who's the guy. 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:05.599 That didn't they like, drunk driving accident kill a person. 1:35:06.320 --> 1:35:07.880 Isn't that one of the Kennedys. 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:10.400 Too, Yeah, one of them, the Ted Kennedy, the senator 1:35:10.439 --> 1:35:12.360 that was with his son that night got into a 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:14.760 car accident and left a woman in the car, and 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:16.880 I think he I think she died. Let me, oh 1:35:16.880 --> 1:35:19.639 my god, let me look up Ted Kennedy's. Yeah, sorry, 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:24.160 she drowned. The woman drowned. Ted Kennedy, he is, he 1:35:24.320 --> 1:35:26.240 drove his car off a bridge and like went to 1:35:26.280 --> 1:35:28.880 go save himself and let this woman drown in the car. 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:32.040 It's called it was that chap equittic, So it's always 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:32.919 called chap equittic. 1:35:33.720 --> 1:35:34.759 Yeah, fuck the Kennedy's. 1:35:34.760 --> 1:35:36.680 All right, let's go no offense if any of our 1:35:36.680 --> 1:35:38.320 listeners are Kennedy's, but I doubt it. 1:35:39.439 --> 1:35:40.879 So this next. 1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:43.559 Case is the shiory E new case, and this is 1:35:43.560 --> 1:35:46.040 a case about her twenty year old twenty one year old. Okay, 1:35:46.400 --> 1:35:48.679 I do have to preface you will be more mad 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:51.400 listening to this than you've ever been mad. And this 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:54.639 is saying a lot considering everything that we've uncovered through 1:35:54.680 --> 1:35:59.439 our research. My god, Okay, it is so appalling that 1:35:59.520 --> 1:36:01.960 it seems fake, that it cannot be real. 1:36:02.560 --> 1:36:04.840 It is truly insane. 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:08.160 So twenty year old twenty one year old college student 1:36:08.200 --> 1:36:12.280 was stabbed to death and fucking broad daylight outside near Tokyo. 1:36:13.680 --> 1:36:15.840 So basically what happened was she caught the wrong guy's 1:36:15.880 --> 1:36:19.200 attention one day and nobody would help her and she 1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:22.639 lost her life. The stabbing happened a little before one 1:36:22.680 --> 1:36:26.000 pm on the afternoon of October twenty sixth, nineteen ninety nine. 1:36:26.439 --> 1:36:28.519 She was stabbed in the chest while entering a train 1:36:28.560 --> 1:36:33.719 station at jr Akigawa. The town is called Sayatama, north 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:38.240 of Tokyo where this all happened, and she'd bled to death. 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:40.559 On the way to being rushed to the hospital, she 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:42.680 was attacked by three men who were paid off by 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:46.599 her former boyfriend and brother. So his brother, a manager 1:36:46.640 --> 1:36:50.040 from their brothel, and some associates were happy to accept 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:54.679 money for murder. So the killers that were hired were 1:36:54.920 --> 1:37:00.439 Yoshifumi Kabato, Akira Kawakami, and Yoshitaka two. 1:37:01.600 --> 1:37:03.120 They accepted eighteen. 1:37:02.720 --> 1:37:06.240 Million yen or one hundred and seventy five thousand US 1:37:06.280 --> 1:37:09.320 to kill Shiori. They watched her for a few months, 1:37:09.320 --> 1:37:12.200 figuring out her schedule to and from school, the common 1:37:12.240 --> 1:37:16.040 areas she visited. And so when Shiori was at the 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:18.719 train station, she was grabbing her bike and was about 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:21.920 to head to university when she was approached, stabbed in 1:37:21.920 --> 1:37:24.840 her side and then fatally stabbed in her heart. And 1:37:24.920 --> 1:37:27.200 like I said, you know, people came to help, called 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:29.200 for help, but she died on the way to the hospital. 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:32.720 So who was this boyfriend and how did this like 1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:35.400 lead to such a horrific murder in the daytime. 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:37.040 This dude's name. 1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:41.160 Was Kazu Kazuhitu Komatsu, and she met him at a 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:43.880 game center, which is like an arcade her and her 1:37:43.880 --> 1:37:46.519 friends were trying to put coins into a photo booth machine, 1:37:46.560 --> 1:37:49.439 but it wasn't working, and twenty six year old Komatsu 1:37:49.640 --> 1:37:51.439 came over and asked if he could help her and 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:55.600 started to flirt. They went to karaoke. They exchanged numbers. 1:37:56.200 --> 1:38:00.479 Truly like a situation that could happen to anyone. You 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:04.240 just like, meet someone cute and you vibe, so they messaged. 1:38:04.280 --> 1:38:07.160 They went on some dates, but then things got weird. 1:38:07.320 --> 1:38:10.680 After dating him briefly, after a few dates, she like. 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:13.360 He began to emotionally abuse her while also buying her 1:38:13.439 --> 1:38:16.479 super lavish gifts, and she tried to reject the gifts, 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:18.720 but he would make scenes in public and force her 1:38:18.720 --> 1:38:22.280 to accept the gifts. She also realized he was twenty six, 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:24.920 but he told her he was twenty three, and he 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:28.160 gave her a fake name, so name was false, age 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:31.040 was false. He wouldn't let her dump him, and became 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:34.439 increasingly physically and mentally abusive, and then she became extra 1:38:34.520 --> 1:38:37.320 scared because she started to realize, like fuck, he could 1:38:37.360 --> 1:38:40.120 be connected to bad people because he always had cash, 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:45.280 there were luxury cars, and when she tried to dump him, 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:46.720 he told her that she would have to pay him 1:38:46.720 --> 1:38:48.640 back for all the money he spent on her, and 1:38:48.680 --> 1:38:50.559 he would force her to work in a sex shop 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:55.719 and ruin her family. So suddenly she's like, oh fuck, 1:38:56.720 --> 1:38:59.400 Like what have I gone into? He then contacted a 1:38:59.400 --> 1:39:03.280 credit bureau to investigate her father's company. She had continued 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:04.800 to try to break up with him. He would not 1:39:04.960 --> 1:39:08.040 accept it and became more and more abusive, started calling 1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:10.880 her home making threats to her and her family. After 1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:13.519 three months of this behavior, she finally went to the 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:16.960 police after Kamatsu and his friends forced their way into 1:39:16.960 --> 1:39:21.080 her home, threatened her, and she recorded the incident. This 1:39:21.280 --> 1:39:24.720 was on June fourteenth. She filed a police report and 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:27.479 submitted her recording, but the cops said she had no case. 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:30.160 She went back with her family the next day to 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:33.920 file a complaint, and again the police refused to act. 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:35.280 They felt this was. 1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:37.880 Her fault by hurting the man's feelings and by cutting 1:39:37.880 --> 1:39:41.759 off their relationship and exploiting him by accepting his gifts. 1:39:42.479 --> 1:39:44.479 So on June twenty first, she took all the gifts 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:46.599 and money she received from him and mailed it back 1:39:46.600 --> 1:39:49.920 to him in hopes that that would stop him. July thirteenth, 1:39:50.320 --> 1:39:53.240 him his brother and their friends made posters of her face, 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:56.680 calling her a gold digger, slut prostitute with all of 1:39:56.680 --> 1:39:59.840 her personal information, and posted it on telephone polls around 1:39:59.840 --> 1:40:04.920 her neighborhood and university. The police still refused to interfere 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:10.880 My got July twenty ninth, it continues, she files a 1:40:10.920 --> 1:40:13.800 complaint against him because she was sexually assaulted by her 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:19.080 by the brother and the friends, and she the rape 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:22.040 was taped, and finally the police accepted the complaint but 1:40:22.160 --> 1:40:24.040 told her they were busy so it might take time 1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:27.759 to follow up. So no help, no contact from police 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:30.880 till August twenty third, and then what happened was twelve 1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:34.400 hundred letters of false information and defaming comments were sent 1:40:34.439 --> 1:40:37.400 to the office, the branch office, and the head office 1:40:37.439 --> 1:40:41.160 of Schiori's father's company. He took all the letters to 1:40:41.200 --> 1:40:44.120 the police, hoping they would finally stop him, but the 1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:46.840 detective laughed in his face and said, why don't you 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:48.000 just ignore the letters? 1:40:48.120 --> 1:40:51.839 Oh my god, I'm getting very very sweaty with anger. 1:40:53.760 --> 1:40:56.599 A few weeks after this, the police went to their house, 1:40:56.680 --> 1:40:59.000 but it was to convince her to drop the complaint 1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:02.360 and not help in any way. But the family refused, 1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:06.360 so the cops then falsified the report and changed the 1:41:06.439 --> 1:41:09.720 complaint about an official complaint into just the report of 1:41:09.760 --> 1:41:13.639 an incident, therefore not requiring any official outcome. 1:41:15.360 --> 1:41:17.000 So this led to her brutal murder. 1:41:17.160 --> 1:41:21.000 So this crime took place four months after Enu had 1:41:21.040 --> 1:41:23.360 complained to police that she was stalked by her boyfriend 1:41:23.400 --> 1:41:26.599 after she broke up, the cops ignored her police for help, 1:41:26.720 --> 1:41:30.519 and then she was fucking murdered. After she was dead, 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:33.760 the cops went on a smear campaign and portrayed her 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:36.400 as a gold digging slut and implied that the attack 1:41:36.560 --> 1:41:40.519 was her fault. Legit, the cops covered up the details 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:43.320 and blamed the victim, and then the media ran with 1:41:43.360 --> 1:41:46.840 all the fake news and slandered Shiori's character. And this 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:49.960 was to protect the incompetence of the police and that 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:51.720 it was their faults and they didn't want anyone to 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:54.120 know that. They said that she was a sex worker 1:41:54.120 --> 1:41:56.719 and just a money hungry slut who deserved what she got. 1:41:57.240 --> 1:42:01.320 Then there was one hero journalist that turned the case 1:42:01.320 --> 1:42:05.520 in investigation in narrative around. The journalist's name is Kiyoshi Shimitsu, 1:42:05.760 --> 1:42:08.439 and they reported the truth about the crime, and finally 1:42:08.520 --> 1:42:12.840 the cops acted. There was a huge expose in Focus magazine. 1:42:13.040 --> 1:42:17.600 They arrest the hired murderer, Kamatsu's brother, and his accomplices 1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:21.200 in December nineteen ninety nine. The brother is serving a 1:42:21.240 --> 1:42:24.240 life sentence, and he got the harshest sentence of all 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:26.160 of them, which I think is wild because he didn't 1:42:26.200 --> 1:42:29.000 do the stabbing, but due to his involvement in the 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:31.679 constant harassment of her life and the planning of the murderer, 1:42:32.200 --> 1:42:34.680 he got life. The guy who did the stabbing got 1:42:34.720 --> 1:42:37.599 eighteen years in prison, and the other two accomplices were 1:42:37.600 --> 1:42:40.960 each given fifteen years. The boyfriend ended up taking his 1:42:41.040 --> 1:42:44.400 own life. His body was found December twenty seventh, frozen 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:47.160 in a lake, and he did leave a note. There 1:42:47.200 --> 1:42:51.160 was an internal investigation that showed that three officers altered 1:42:51.160 --> 1:42:54.200 a criminal complaint filed by her into a simple disposition 1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:57.120 so they wouldn't have to pursue the case. I guess 1:42:57.200 --> 1:42:59.600 to keep the crime rate low, the police try to 1:42:59.600 --> 1:43:02.519 get parties to resolve issues on their own rather than 1:43:02.560 --> 1:43:09.120 file official complaints. But the Japanese cops were jailed. Yes, yeah, 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:12.280 so the cops were dismissed and found guilty. Two were 1:43:12.280 --> 1:43:16.320 given eighteen month prison sentences and suspended for three years. 1:43:16.680 --> 1:43:18.320 They should just never be able to work again. And 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:20.600 then the third got a fourteen month sentence and was 1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:23.320 suspended for three years as well. The dad, of course 1:43:23.360 --> 1:43:26.519 thought the verdict was too lenient, and I agree with him. 1:43:27.000 --> 1:43:30.479 The crime actually resulted in Japan's Anti Stalking Act that 1:43:30.520 --> 1:43:34.080 passed in November two thousand. Under the act, two kinds 1:43:34.120 --> 1:43:38.880 of behavior prohibited, so it's pursuit and stalking. Pursuit is 1:43:38.960 --> 1:43:42.240 any act pressuring another person to go out or in 1:43:42.320 --> 1:43:46.719 revenge for being rejected. Stalking is repeated acts that caused 1:43:46.760 --> 1:43:50.280 the victim to feel endangered. There was also a revision 1:43:50.280 --> 1:43:54.120 to the act in January twenty seventeen to include cyberstalking 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:56.920 and online harassment. And it was because another woman got 1:43:56.920 --> 1:43:59.280 stabbed after the cops s ignored her. Please for help, 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:01.240 Oh my god, why. 1:44:01.000 --> 1:44:02.840 Can't they just listen and do their job? 1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:08.160 So pop singer Mayu Tumita was stabbed more than twenty 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:11.040 times by a male fan in May twenty sixteen. He 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:13.720 had posted more than three hundred public messages to her 1:44:13.800 --> 1:44:16.080 like threatening her life, and the cops declined to act 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:18.920 because it was social media and not that serious. She 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:23.439 did survive the stabbing, thank god. Yeah, so hopefully more 1:44:23.560 --> 1:44:27.400 laws will continue to happen since cops are failures, and 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:30.200 it still appears that only about ten percent of complaints 1:44:30.280 --> 1:44:33.280 filed actually results in official police action. 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:37.400 Oh God, that one is tough. 1:44:37.920 --> 1:44:40.679 It is tough, and obviously, like I'm not in Japan 1:44:41.040 --> 1:44:43.840 and do not know much about the Japanese. I mean, 1:44:43.840 --> 1:44:45.720 I was in a kabuki play, but I don't know 1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:49.360 much about the Japanese culture. Like the sources I was using, 1:44:49.479 --> 1:44:53.400 and I hope they're all credible and good and I 1:44:53.439 --> 1:44:55.040 did justice to this story. 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:59.000 We do have some listening in Japan because people wrote 1:44:59.080 --> 1:45:01.320 us back after another ca that we the one about 1:45:01.360 --> 1:45:05.799 the young girl that was assaulted by the the American 1:45:05.840 --> 1:45:07.800 officers over in Japan. A bunch of people wrote into 1:45:07.880 --> 1:45:11.280 us on Instagram. So if you live in Japan, let 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:14.440 us know if this case is still talked about. 1:45:14.200 --> 1:45:17.800 Or like you were around when this was happening, and so. 1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:20.799 You know, with research, you just kind of see what 1:45:20.560 --> 1:45:23.640 what articles you get first. So when I first saw it, 1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:26.200 it was like these these cops got in trouble and 1:45:26.240 --> 1:45:26.840 went to jail. 1:45:26.880 --> 1:45:29.519 So I was like, oh, fuck, yeah, Japan knows what's up. 1:45:29.640 --> 1:45:33.400 And then it was like oh uh. And then I 1:45:33.439 --> 1:45:37.240 was reading comments because I am a sicko to a 1:45:37.240 --> 1:45:39.920 lot of the articles, and they, like so many comments 1:45:39.920 --> 1:45:42.280 are still victim blaming. They're like he was part he 1:45:42.360 --> 1:45:44.920 was part of the yakuza. That's on you, you dumb bitch, 1:45:45.080 --> 1:45:47.120 Like you should have known not to date, Like it's 1:45:47.160 --> 1:45:49.519 like this and like the comments were doing the thing 1:45:49.600 --> 1:45:53.720 that had caused her death. And I guess cops are 1:45:53.720 --> 1:45:56.719 the same everywhere, like they don't want yeah. 1:45:56.479 --> 1:45:58.120 But like in the USA, this happen. 1:45:58.160 --> 1:46:00.120 Shit happens all the time, and the cops were like, 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:01.800 how could we have known? And they don't go to jail. 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:04.000 So at least Japan sent these guys to jail. 1:46:04.240 --> 1:46:06.479 Yeah, But and then I don't, like, I don't know 1:46:06.520 --> 1:46:08.719 if they're better at stuff or not, because it still 1:46:08.720 --> 1:46:12.719 seems like they don't want their percentages going down. 1:46:13.160 --> 1:46:15.799 I don't know, but it's yeah. 1:46:15.880 --> 1:46:19.559 So it's just like I thought to conclude that one 1:46:19.640 --> 1:46:23.280 because there are no other episodes based on it, and 1:46:23.640 --> 1:46:25.720 it's I think it's like an important case to talk 1:46:25.720 --> 1:46:28.040 about but also just like the smearing and like the 1:46:28.080 --> 1:46:30.760 cops kind of not doing anything about it. 1:46:31.600 --> 1:46:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. 1:46:33.479 --> 1:46:37.479 All right, Well, we're gonna be right back with a 1:46:37.520 --> 1:46:41.200 great interview, guys, to cleanse your palate from all this darkness. 1:46:41.320 --> 1:46:52.839 Don't go anywhere, guys. Our guest today is a TV legend. 1:46:53.000 --> 1:46:55.880 She's probably best known for her role as the matriarch 1:46:56.720 --> 1:47:00.360 Olivia Walton in the Waltons Award winning role play, and 1:47:00.400 --> 1:47:04.120 you can currently see her portray Jeffrey Dahmer's grandmother Katherine 1:47:04.160 --> 1:47:08.240 Dahmer on Netflix's Dahmer and you know her today as 1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:15.519 the stuffy, snobby escort to sex workers Granny Candae Lammerley. Guys, 1:47:15.600 --> 1:47:19.000 please enjoy our chat with the legendary Michael Learned. 1:47:19.360 --> 1:47:21.880 Yeah, we love this episode. We always love when there's 1:47:22.080 --> 1:47:24.840 super rich people on us. 1:47:25.920 --> 1:47:29.040 You're pearls for being hethens. 1:47:29.400 --> 1:47:32.519 Yes, yes, we love a super rich lady turned villain, 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:34.040 and they do that on this show a lot. And 1:47:34.080 --> 1:47:38.000 you're like a classic episode of this, like you're. 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:40.920 To play actually, but it was a pretty sordid episode. 1:47:41.200 --> 1:47:44.080 Yes, yeah, I was gonna ask you, like, I mean, 1:47:44.120 --> 1:47:46.280 you've played all different kinds of parts, is it is 1:47:46.320 --> 1:47:48.280 it extra fun to play a villain? I mean, I 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:51.560 think from the Waltons you were sort of like a 1:47:51.600 --> 1:47:54.000 wholesome character, right, You weren't a villainous at all. 1:47:54.479 --> 1:47:54.559 No. 1:47:55.680 --> 1:47:58.799 I used to fight with some Earl Hamda, the creator 1:47:58.840 --> 1:48:00.800 of the show, and say, give her, make her make 1:48:00.840 --> 1:48:03.479 a mistake once in a while. Everybody's going to hate 1:48:03.520 --> 1:48:07.080 her if she's just so wonderful every minute. So he'd say, 1:48:07.160 --> 1:48:09.680 like what, and I'd say, well, have her scold the 1:48:09.720 --> 1:48:13.000 wrong child, have her make a mistake, whatever, but give 1:48:13.040 --> 1:48:16.760 her something, so he would he'd work at it. 1:48:17.040 --> 1:48:19.480 Yeah, So it was a collaborative set. 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:23.400 Yes, it was wonderful. Yeah, we were a little arrogant. 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:26.360 I think sometimes we would say, oh, my character would 1:48:26.360 --> 1:48:27.120 never say that. 1:48:27.240 --> 1:48:31.600 You know, well, you won a bunch of Emmys for that. 1:48:31.840 --> 1:48:35.320 Do you look back on those nights fondly? 1:48:36.040 --> 1:48:39.360 Oh? Yeah, it's very exciting, and especially the first one 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:42.080 because I had no idea I was going to win, 1:48:42.200 --> 1:48:45.439 so I was just enjoying the whole. It was very 1:48:45.479 --> 1:48:48.080 new for my kids and me, and they sent a 1:48:48.120 --> 1:48:51.360 limo and my gosh, my son and my son with 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:54.320 my date. So we here we are in the limo. 1:48:54.439 --> 1:48:57.240 We drove around the neighborhood, just waving at all the kids, 1:48:58.360 --> 1:49:01.679 and then, you know, then we went and we were 1:49:01.720 --> 1:49:04.719 just having a good time. And when they mentioned my name, 1:49:04.880 --> 1:49:08.679 I can still remember my son's eyes were like plates 1:49:08.920 --> 1:49:11.519 and mine worth two. I'm sure because it was a shock, 1:49:12.280 --> 1:49:15.320 and I'm surprised I was even able to say a word. 1:49:15.400 --> 1:49:18.120 I was so shocked and scared. It was wonderful, though, 1:49:18.680 --> 1:49:21.640 exciting and calling home and my kids were all excited 1:49:21.680 --> 1:49:23.519 at home. They were you know, it was great. 1:49:24.040 --> 1:49:26.360 Wow. How old was your son at the time. 1:49:27.600 --> 1:49:31.160 I think he was maybe fifteen you he was around 1:49:31.240 --> 1:49:32.200 fourteen or fifteen. 1:49:32.479 --> 1:49:34.960 Did any of your kids like follow in your footsteps 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:38.600 into the acting world or the niceness? 1:49:38.920 --> 1:49:43.439 My youngest son did a couple of Omen one and 1:49:43.520 --> 1:49:47.360 two ooh, and he's just never wanted to be an actor, 1:49:47.400 --> 1:49:50.280 but he's in advertising, so we sort of in the business, 1:49:50.320 --> 1:49:51.639 but not as an actor. 1:49:52.120 --> 1:49:56.559 So with this episode, this might be too specific of 1:49:56.600 --> 1:49:59.439 a question since this was twenty years ago, but do 1:49:59.479 --> 1:50:03.080 you remember we're shooting this episode in the penthouse with 1:50:03.120 --> 1:50:04.160 the beautiful views? 1:50:04.920 --> 1:50:05.520 No? 1:50:05.520 --> 1:50:09.280 No, well it looked Do you remember any of your outfits? 1:50:09.320 --> 1:50:12.280 You really had a lot of gorgeous, like rich Upper 1:50:12.280 --> 1:50:13.960 east Side lady outfits. 1:50:14.280 --> 1:50:20.160 No, I my husband, but bless him, my wonderful husband. 1:50:20.840 --> 1:50:23.559 Read a synopsis of it just to help me refresh 1:50:23.600 --> 1:50:28.160 myself as to what the show was about. I mean, 1:50:28.200 --> 1:50:30.479 I sort of generally know what about Yeah, you know, 1:50:30.680 --> 1:50:33.360 so long ago, twenty years ago. So it wasn't my 1:50:33.479 --> 1:50:37.040 fondest role. But sometimes it is a little fun to 1:50:37.600 --> 1:50:41.800 play somebody, to try to find in a character that 1:50:41.880 --> 1:50:44.960 you don't really respect or like, but to try to 1:50:45.040 --> 1:50:49.519 find where their thinking is or what motivates them as 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:52.439 opposed to something you're familiar with yourself. It's kind of 1:50:52.920 --> 1:50:54.479 that little journey. Is interesting. 1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:58.080 Yeah, we've heard that from a lot of We've interviewed 1:50:58.080 --> 1:51:00.840 a lot of people that are that usually play sort 1:51:00.840 --> 1:51:04.040 of comedians or nice guys, nice gals, but then they 1:51:04.360 --> 1:51:06.120 come on this show and they've got this sort of 1:51:06.160 --> 1:51:09.680 like evil streak, and that's interesting. A lot of them 1:51:09.720 --> 1:51:13.360 have expressed the same thought that, you know, finding like 1:51:13.439 --> 1:51:16.759 your commonality with this person you don't like is is interesting. 1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:17.559 Yeah. 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:21.240 Well, one actor we talked to he didn't because he 1:51:21.320 --> 1:51:23.160 was so in the character he didn't realize how bad 1:51:23.160 --> 1:51:23.920 he really was. 1:51:24.600 --> 1:51:30.000 And then when he watched it. He was like, oh really, yeah. 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:33.679 Yeah, No, you had huge moments. You had a big 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:38.320 fainting scene in the courtroom. You're also dragged out arrested 1:51:38.320 --> 1:51:40.880 in handcuffs in a wheelchair by the detectives. 1:51:40.960 --> 1:51:43.200 You had like really fun moments. 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:47.439 So I don't remember any I remember being arrested and 1:51:47.600 --> 1:51:50.400 kind of resisting. That's about how I can remember, to 1:51:50.439 --> 1:51:51.200 tell you the truth. 1:51:51.439 --> 1:51:54.519 I mean, you've had such an incredible career where you know, 1:51:54.560 --> 1:51:58.479 on so many shows, I can imagine sometimes it blurs together. 1:51:58.960 --> 1:52:00.880 I have been there, very lucky. 1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:03.519 Having been in this business for like, you know, fifty 1:52:03.640 --> 1:52:06.920 years or so, do you find are there things? I mean, 1:52:06.960 --> 1:52:09.599 obviously things have changed. Are there changes that you think 1:52:09.640 --> 1:52:12.240 are for the better? Are there things you wish hadn't changed? 1:52:12.840 --> 1:52:16.559 I've always found, you know, Hollywood has a reputation, but 1:52:16.800 --> 1:52:21.080 I've never been in that kind of Hollywood groove. I 1:52:21.600 --> 1:52:24.519 had my kids, so it was a job. I'd go 1:52:24.600 --> 1:52:27.240 do my job and come home to do my job 1:52:27.280 --> 1:52:30.600 as a mom. So I've never been part of the 1:52:30.760 --> 1:52:35.519 quote scene here. But it's been very good to me 1:52:35.880 --> 1:52:40.200 and I'm very grateful for it. So I'm glad. I'm 1:52:40.200 --> 1:52:43.680 not part of the scene. Frankly, that scene, if you 1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:46.640 know what I mean. Yeah, it's been very good to me. 1:52:46.760 --> 1:52:49.599 I'm so lucky. I came down here in a little 1:52:49.960 --> 1:52:53.920 VW bug. I stayed at a motel which is no 1:52:54.000 --> 1:52:56.760 longer there, but I stayed there for twelve bucks a night. 1:52:56.800 --> 1:52:59.080 I had a raggedy and dol and a bottle of bourbon. 1:52:59.600 --> 1:53:02.280 And I didn't know what. I had no idea that 1:53:02.360 --> 1:53:05.120 this was all going to happen. It was like my 1:53:05.240 --> 1:53:08.120 friend said, it's people like you who keep people like 1:53:08.200 --> 1:53:12.160 me here. You know. It was one of those you know, 1:53:12.240 --> 1:53:13.639 God's handis on your shoulder. 1:53:14.439 --> 1:53:16.320 Yeah, wow, I love that. 1:53:16.360 --> 1:53:20.240 It was a Volkswagen bug you and then you were 1:53:20.320 --> 1:53:23.160 just in this. You were just in Dahmer on Netflix, 1:53:23.200 --> 1:53:26.439 which was like one of Netflix's biggest hits of the year. 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:30.320 Yes, I was, and that was kind of fun too. 1:53:30.400 --> 1:53:35.280 He's a lovely guy, Evan Peters, lovely person and a 1:53:35.400 --> 1:53:39.200 very good actor. And our scenes were just Granny loves 1:53:39.360 --> 1:53:42.920 her grandson and his No, how could you not know 1:53:43.439 --> 1:53:46.519 your grandson is chopping up buddies in your basement? I 1:53:46.560 --> 1:53:50.519 find that a little mark swallow. But apparently she was 1:53:50.560 --> 1:53:52.920 in real denial, I guess no. 1:53:53.800 --> 1:53:56.240 And did you enjoy working with Ryan Murphy? 1:53:57.520 --> 1:54:00.240 I didn't see much of him, but I do think 1:54:00.240 --> 1:54:01.360 he's a genius. 1:54:02.439 --> 1:54:05.200 And Kara is actually from Connecticut. Did you grow up 1:54:05.200 --> 1:54:06.320 on a farm in Connecticut? 1:54:06.680 --> 1:54:09.679 I did. It was a small farm. It was twenty 1:54:09.720 --> 1:54:12.479 one acres, and I melt three goats every morning and 1:54:12.520 --> 1:54:15.519 every night. And I cleaned the rabbit hutches and fed 1:54:15.520 --> 1:54:19.240 the rabbits and fed the chickens. I didn't clean out 1:54:19.280 --> 1:54:22.880 the chicken hutches, but I did the rabbit hutches. And 1:54:23.479 --> 1:54:27.760 I fed the pigs, and we had two pigs. We 1:54:27.880 --> 1:54:31.120 had two horses. I didn't do the horses. They scared me, 1:54:32.240 --> 1:54:34.160 but I did do the goats. And I had a 1:54:34.160 --> 1:54:39.040 little kid of my own. Her sister had somehow strangled 1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:44.280 in the hay rack, and so she was I was convinced. 1:54:45.120 --> 1:54:47.520 She was crying, and I said to my father, she's 1:54:47.680 --> 1:54:51.720 crying because her little sister died. I want to have her. 1:54:51.880 --> 1:54:54.040 And I already said, yes, you can, but you're going 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:57.240 to have to warn her. So that's why I was 1:54:57.240 --> 1:54:59.880 doing all those chores. I wasn't being beaten. I'd also 1:55:00.080 --> 1:55:03.600 stole some money out of his pockets to buy candy 1:55:04.040 --> 1:55:06.680 all the kids at school. Oh my gosh, I had 1:55:06.680 --> 1:55:09.640 to pay him back. So yeah, and it was wonderful 1:55:09.640 --> 1:55:13.160 because I hated going up at night. It scared the 1:55:13.160 --> 1:55:16.200 heck out of me. But once I got to the 1:55:16.200 --> 1:55:18.480 barn and somehow turned the light on, I felt safe. 1:55:18.560 --> 1:55:20.640 It's the weirdest thing, Like those animals who are going 1:55:20.720 --> 1:55:23.520 to protect me from the boogie man? I don't think so. 1:55:23.600 --> 1:55:24.440 Somehow getting to. 1:55:24.360 --> 1:55:26.960 The bar and turning the light on, feeling the animals, 1:55:27.000 --> 1:55:31.120 the warmth of the animals and the smell which was 1:55:31.160 --> 1:55:33.640 pungent because we had a buck in with the doze 1:55:33.760 --> 1:55:37.360 and they give off a really strong odor. But I 1:55:37.400 --> 1:55:38.520 didn't mind. I liked it. 1:55:39.560 --> 1:55:41.040 Where was the farm in Kennticut? 1:55:41.520 --> 1:55:45.360 In Connecticut was West Norwalk, Oh, which is sort of 1:55:45.400 --> 1:55:48.320 near near Westport and Garrett. 1:55:48.440 --> 1:55:48.560 Uh. 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:50.720 Yeah, I grew up in u Canaan. 1:55:51.120 --> 1:55:52.640 Oh you did in u Canaan. I used to go 1:55:52.640 --> 1:55:56.120 to ballet school in ukana Oh. Really, it's really pretty. 1:55:56.320 --> 1:55:57.280 We're lucky, aren't we? 1:55:57.440 --> 1:56:00.440 Yeah? And I'm also the oldest of six children, are 1:56:00.440 --> 1:56:01.600 you really? Yeah? 1:56:02.000 --> 1:56:03.640 A mix of boys and girls. 1:56:03.680 --> 1:56:07.280 Yes, yes, two girls, four boys. Oh okay, yeah, but 1:56:07.360 --> 1:56:10.040 I know you're You're the eldest of six girls, right, 1:56:10.120 --> 1:56:10.680 all girls? 1:56:11.040 --> 1:56:15.000 Yes, and now I have a half brother named Tarquin. Oh, 1:56:16.440 --> 1:56:20.880 my father married again, and so I have a half 1:56:20.920 --> 1:56:22.800 brother named tark. I may have a brother. 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:24.080 Yeah. 1:56:24.520 --> 1:56:26.640 Do you still have animals in your life? 1:56:27.760 --> 1:56:30.440 Not at the moment. I have a cat and our 1:56:30.480 --> 1:56:35.120 dog just passed away two ago. Yeah, I still miss her. 1:56:35.160 --> 1:56:38.040 I miss her terribly, and I'm working on my husband 1:56:38.080 --> 1:56:40.640 to try to get another dog. I'm going to die 1:56:40.640 --> 1:56:42.520 and then he'll have to take care of her. 1:56:45.440 --> 1:56:48.360 Or just have someone gift you a dog. So then 1:56:48.680 --> 1:56:51.120 like tell someone to just bring it and then there's nothing. 1:56:51.600 --> 1:56:56.360 All over the plates dropping there. So I'm sure something's 1:56:56.360 --> 1:56:58.440 going to turn up on the doorspet sooner or later. 1:56:58.880 --> 1:57:02.800 And are you still looking to do more work? Like, 1:57:02.840 --> 1:57:05.600 are you ready for more TV? After Dahmer? 1:57:06.080 --> 1:57:06.880 I love working? 1:57:07.040 --> 1:57:07.280 Yeah? 1:57:07.480 --> 1:57:10.240 So yeah, working keeps me alive. 1:57:10.480 --> 1:57:10.839 Yeah. 1:57:11.720 --> 1:57:14.000 Is there a character that you haven't played that you'd 1:57:14.040 --> 1:57:15.040 like to still play? 1:57:15.680 --> 1:57:20.960 I can't think of one. A serial killer? Maybe? Oh no, 1:57:21.240 --> 1:57:25.400 I haven't. No. I just whatever comes along. I try 1:57:25.400 --> 1:57:29.120 to find my truth in it and bring that whatever 1:57:29.200 --> 1:57:30.600 the character is. Yeah. 1:57:30.800 --> 1:57:32.480 So you like being on a set? 1:57:32.840 --> 1:57:36.080 I do. It's for the most part, I've never had 1:57:36.240 --> 1:57:39.000 any unpleasant experience, And for the most part, it's like 1:57:39.080 --> 1:57:43.960 you just meet another family, and it's very intense a bond, 1:57:44.240 --> 1:57:47.160 very intense bonding for the time that you're shooting or 1:57:47.200 --> 1:57:51.040 the time that you're working together. And some friends remain 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:55.200 friends and some you don't ever see again. But it's 1:57:55.200 --> 1:57:57.200 a very intense experience. 1:57:56.960 --> 1:57:58.480 When you walk onto a set. 1:57:58.520 --> 1:58:02.000 Are there ever where you're like, Oh, today's going to 1:58:02.000 --> 1:58:03.000 be a mess. 1:58:03.360 --> 1:58:07.000 Yes, of course they're going to be a mess. It's 1:58:07.000 --> 1:58:10.960 more like I'm a mess. I had one day it's 1:58:11.000 --> 1:58:13.400 the only time it's ever happened to me in my life, 1:58:14.080 --> 1:58:18.760 where I just went blank and they had to send 1:58:18.800 --> 1:58:22.160 me home. It was mortifying. They were very nice about it, 1:58:22.280 --> 1:58:25.240 and it never happened again. But for some reason that 1:58:25.280 --> 1:58:27.720 particular day, I think I hadn't worked in a while, 1:58:28.000 --> 1:58:29.720 and I was so happy to be on a set 1:58:29.800 --> 1:58:33.040 that my brain just went off into the ether. I 1:58:33.040 --> 1:58:37.280 don't know where it went. And they were very kind 1:58:37.480 --> 1:58:41.760 and they they sent me home and mortified, of course 1:58:41.880 --> 1:58:44.720 I was. And then from that time on there was 1:58:44.720 --> 1:58:46.960 no problem. But it's never happened to me, and it 1:58:47.080 --> 1:58:48.160 was just mortifying. 1:58:48.840 --> 1:58:51.440 Oh gosh, I can't believe they sent you home. I'm 1:58:51.440 --> 1:58:52.000 against that. 1:58:53.120 --> 1:58:55.920 Well, they didn't do it in a nasty way. I 1:58:56.040 --> 1:58:59.160 was just gone. They did the right thing actually, and 1:58:59.240 --> 1:59:02.280 from that time and there was no problem. But they 1:59:02.360 --> 1:59:04.760 had to reschedule. I mean, it's a real scramble for 1:59:04.800 --> 1:59:08.440 them if an actor falls down or something happen or 1:59:08.560 --> 1:59:12.760 goes up or whatever. But I not get my brain working, 1:59:12.960 --> 1:59:18.200 and luckily from then on I was fine. But it 1:59:18.320 --> 1:59:19.960 was horrible. It was just horrible. 1:59:20.080 --> 1:59:20.960 I can't imagine. 1:59:21.200 --> 1:59:24.520 Yeah, what are outside of the Waltons or where you were, 1:59:24.600 --> 1:59:26.800 you know, or the nurse where you worked a long time. 1:59:27.120 --> 1:59:30.240 Are there any sets or shows that you've guessed it 1:59:30.280 --> 1:59:33.160 on that you really had a great time, or that 1:59:33.200 --> 1:59:35.320 you were surprised how much fun you had, or any 1:59:35.400 --> 1:59:36.800 just favorite kind of moments. 1:59:37.280 --> 1:59:42.040 I had fun on Scrubs. Oh, she was a great character, 1:59:42.400 --> 1:59:46.280 and they were very nice, you know, again, very professional. 1:59:46.680 --> 1:59:49.600 You don't become bosom buddies or anything, but they were 1:59:49.720 --> 1:59:54.600 very professional, very welcoming, and I had fun playing that character. 1:59:55.000 --> 1:59:57.480 It usually has to do with the character i'm playing, 1:59:58.560 --> 2:00:00.360 and she was a wonderful character. 2:00:01.800 --> 2:00:03.920 Who did you play on scrabs. What was the character 2:00:04.320 --> 2:00:04.920 I played? 2:00:05.240 --> 2:00:07.320 I can't remember her name, but I played a woman 2:00:07.360 --> 2:00:10.600 who was dying of cancer. But the writing was so 2:00:10.880 --> 2:00:15.000 fabulous that she had so much personality and joy of 2:00:15.080 --> 2:00:18.560 living that she was just a fun character to play. 2:00:19.960 --> 2:00:22.240 Amazing fun show. I gotta bitch that I want to 2:00:22.240 --> 2:00:22.640 watch it. 2:00:23.440 --> 2:00:26.080 And then our other classic question we like to ask 2:00:26.280 --> 2:00:30.840 is what are your go to craft service snacks. 2:00:31.120 --> 2:00:31.920 When you're on set? 2:00:33.600 --> 2:00:36.280 Anything sweet, I guess, but I didn't really like. 2:00:36.280 --> 2:00:41.560 To eat while I was working, so yeah, I mean, 2:00:43.280 --> 2:00:46.760 it always touched me that the craft service go out 2:00:46.760 --> 2:00:48.800 of their way to try to make the actors happy, 2:00:49.720 --> 2:00:50.960 and so so. 2:00:51.560 --> 2:00:56.280 As well the props who were in charge of the 2:00:56.320 --> 2:00:58.960 food for the Weltons. When we were all sitting around 2:00:59.000 --> 2:01:02.280 the table, that was grows. That was truly gross. If 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:04.560 you ever watched the show, you'll see that I never 2:01:04.720 --> 2:01:08.480 ever ate. I fiddled with food on my plate, or 2:01:08.520 --> 2:01:11.160 I lifted a fork almost to my mouth, but I 2:01:11.200 --> 2:01:14.720 never ate because everything would get spooned out on the plates, 2:01:14.840 --> 2:01:18.560 all of our plates, and then we would get spooned 2:01:18.600 --> 2:01:20.120 back into the serving bowl. 2:01:20.400 --> 2:01:21.960 Oh gosh, spooned out on. 2:01:21.960 --> 2:01:27.480 The plates again, and you know, by the sixtieth take. 2:01:28.440 --> 2:01:29.960 There was no way I was going to put that 2:01:30.000 --> 2:01:32.760 into my mouth. Oh. I never ate on the Waltons 2:01:32.800 --> 2:01:37.160 in eight years. I never actually put food in my mouth. Ralph, 2:01:37.160 --> 2:01:39.880 on the other hand, would eat with relish and chip 2:01:40.040 --> 2:01:45.440 up and swallow and enjoy. Is hmmm not me. No. 2:01:46.480 --> 2:01:49.960 Do you still do events for autographs and stuff? 2:01:50.240 --> 2:01:50.600 I do? 2:01:50.920 --> 2:01:53.800 Yeah, wow, I think this is the last one. Though. 2:01:53.840 --> 2:01:56.720 It wears me out because you're trying very hard to 2:01:56.760 --> 2:01:59.920 be present in every moment that you make a connection 2:02:00.120 --> 2:02:04.080 with somebody. So I try to be buried there, you know, 2:02:04.160 --> 2:02:07.560 if you will look into somebody's eyes and really appreciate them. 2:02:08.680 --> 2:02:12.240 And I remember people. I remember their faces sometimes when 2:02:12.240 --> 2:02:14.720 I when I do it a second time a few 2:02:14.800 --> 2:02:18.480 years later, I don't remember their names necessarily, but I 2:02:18.520 --> 2:02:22.960 remember their faces. And it's very moving because most people 2:02:23.360 --> 2:02:27.760 remember me from The Waltons and they loved that character 2:02:27.920 --> 2:02:30.120 so much that they bring that love to me, and 2:02:30.160 --> 2:02:31.240 it's it's wonderful. 2:02:31.640 --> 2:02:34.440 That's awesome. Great. Yeah, thank you so much, Michael for 2:02:34.520 --> 2:02:37.040 taking the time to talk to us, and we hope 2:02:37.040 --> 2:02:39.440 we keep seeing you on our screens too. 2:02:39.520 --> 2:02:41.160 From your mouth, God's he its. 2:02:46.280 --> 2:02:48.600 Michael Learning loved her. 2:02:48.600 --> 2:02:51.720 Oh my gosh, I just love I love some of 2:02:51.720 --> 2:02:55.200 the I love it. I love it all legend. Yeah, 2:02:55.360 --> 2:02:58.480 do you remember this? No, I'm not gonna that's it. 2:03:00.640 --> 2:03:04.120 She's an eye fund, she has the moment, she has everything. 2:03:03.800 --> 2:03:05.160 And she does love an animal. 2:03:06.960 --> 2:03:10.680 That was I actually stopped watching Dahmer at the beginning, 2:03:10.720 --> 2:03:14.280 but maybe I should dip back into uh see her role. 2:03:14.320 --> 2:03:17.160 I'd like to see her be the be the grandma. 2:03:17.280 --> 2:03:20.600 So I've recently I've been getting a lot of shark 2:03:20.880 --> 2:03:22.800 orca stuff just because I've been you know, the boy 2:03:22.800 --> 2:03:23.440 got eaten by. 2:03:23.320 --> 2:03:27.040 A shark on the cruise. Oh no, I know about 2:03:27.040 --> 2:03:28.480 the orcas attacking the boats. 2:03:28.560 --> 2:03:30.600 Well that's fun, but I guess orcas don't eat people, 2:03:30.640 --> 2:03:31.680 which is kind of exciting. 2:03:31.760 --> 2:03:33.520 Yeah, and I know the funny thing about them being 2:03:33.560 --> 2:03:35.480 called killer whales because like they don't kill people. 2:03:36.000 --> 2:03:38.080 Well this is great because I thought we got to 2:03:38.120 --> 2:03:39.960 be more scared of them than anyone. And now I'm like, 2:03:40.320 --> 2:03:42.120 put me in coach, Yeah, let. 2:03:41.920 --> 2:03:43.920 Me pat can I want to swim with? When can 2:03:43.960 --> 2:03:45.480 I go free? Willie? Let's do it. 2:03:45.640 --> 2:03:48.200 I want to ride an orca so bad, you know. 2:03:48.400 --> 2:03:51.640 So there was like, you know, kids graduated high school. 2:03:51.640 --> 2:03:53.960 They're all eighteen. They go on a trip and they're 2:03:54.000 --> 2:03:56.400 like at a midnight cruise, like a booze little cruise, 2:03:57.120 --> 2:04:00.400 and on tape, the boys dare the other one of 2:04:00.440 --> 2:04:03.200 the boys to jump into the shark infested waters at night. 2:04:04.320 --> 2:04:06.400 So and that's when I heard sharks from more Wild. 2:04:06.480 --> 2:04:10.200 So anyways, the boy jumps in and then he's scared. 2:04:10.320 --> 2:04:13.040 They throw in a bowie, but he's swimming away from 2:04:13.080 --> 2:04:15.480 the bowie and everyone's like the booye. And then there's 2:04:15.560 --> 2:04:18.760 a shadowy figure to the left and it looks like 2:04:18.800 --> 2:04:22.120 a shark, and they searched for him for days and 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:24.320 the shark, I think the shot. 2:04:25.240 --> 2:04:29.200 I thought sharks didn't like attack unless they smelled blood, 2:04:30.320 --> 2:04:32.040 Like I thought there had to be blood in the water. 2:04:33.000 --> 2:04:36.920 No, I mean that is that's like sexy to them, 2:04:37.000 --> 2:04:39.360 Like when they smell blood, they love it, but they 2:04:39.400 --> 2:04:40.160 don't need. 2:04:40.000 --> 2:04:44.280 Blood to eat. Oh god, but now I'm getting horrible. 2:04:44.560 --> 2:04:46.240 Yeah, but we were on this road trip, so we 2:04:46.280 --> 2:04:47.920 watched the shark thing and that we talked about that 2:04:48.000 --> 2:04:51.640 for a really long time and just like sharks crocodiles. 2:04:51.680 --> 2:04:53.720 But I guess Anderson Cooper, my friend, was telling me 2:04:53.760 --> 2:04:57.880 did a segment where he swam with the crocodiles underwater 2:04:58.640 --> 2:05:00.960 because they don't attack underwater. But I didn't know Anderson 2:05:01.000 --> 2:05:03.280 Cooper was such a badass swimming. I didn't know Anderson 2:05:03.320 --> 2:05:07.640 Cooper was doing nature shit. Yeah wild, so whatever. So 2:05:07.640 --> 2:05:10.280 I'm getting all of the shark stuff now I can't 2:05:10.280 --> 2:05:12.760 get enough. And then I love these shark experts who 2:05:12.760 --> 2:05:14.440 are not scared of me, Like if a shark sums 2:05:14.480 --> 2:05:18.120 by you Papa Mona's nose, and it's like, we're not 2:05:18.160 --> 2:05:21.120 gonna be calm okay, like your calm advice is not 2:05:21.280 --> 2:05:24.280 for us, Like are you fucking kidding me? But also, 2:05:24.320 --> 2:05:27.000 if you're listening, please don't dare your friends to jump 2:05:27.080 --> 2:05:33.640 into Jesus ested waters. Because then one of our friends 2:05:33.680 --> 2:05:35.520 was telling us that there was like a story wherever 2:05:35.520 --> 2:05:39.560 people were on this like boat again, like an adventure boat, 2:05:39.560 --> 2:05:41.720 tourist boat, and they were like, do not jump in, 2:05:42.120 --> 2:05:44.760 these are crocodile infested waters. And two girls jumped in 2:05:44.840 --> 2:05:47.880 and then everyone watched them get eaten by crocodiles. 2:05:48.160 --> 2:05:51.000 Oh my god, in a million years, I would be 2:05:51.040 --> 2:05:52.760 like not even near the edge. If I knew that 2:05:52.800 --> 2:05:55.600 I was in sharker or croc infested waters. 2:05:55.800 --> 2:05:56.880 No, but I'm so jealous. 2:05:56.880 --> 2:05:59.880 There's all these like like seals and little dolphins and 2:06:00.080 --> 2:06:02.000 or because it's just swim by boats, and it's like, 2:06:02.440 --> 2:06:04.480 maybe I need to marry a marine biologist. 2:06:06.480 --> 2:06:08.480 I need to get out on the walk, go to Hawaii. 2:06:09.120 --> 2:06:11.919 When we went to Hawaii, there were a million dolphins 2:06:11.960 --> 2:06:14.120 next to our boat. You could just okay, yeah, that's 2:06:14.320 --> 2:06:18.640 I could do that too. Yeah. Well, you know, being 2:06:18.680 --> 2:06:21.000 privilege rich people luck, I was. 2:06:20.960 --> 2:06:24.200 Gonna my segue was gonna be speaking of shark infested waters. 2:06:24.280 --> 2:06:25.720 Let's get back to the Upper East. 2:06:25.600 --> 2:06:30.200 Side of Manhattan, where people let their fucking kids get 2:06:30.200 --> 2:06:32.600 away with anything. I mean, we're going to do another 2:06:32.640 --> 2:06:34.560 case about this, I'm sure. But like when I was 2:06:34.600 --> 2:06:36.880 growing up, there was this kid named Alex Kelly in 2:06:36.920 --> 2:06:39.839 the town next to mine who committed all, like committed 2:06:39.920 --> 2:06:42.760 a rape and then his parents like let him escape 2:06:42.800 --> 2:06:44.800 to Switzerland and supported him while he did that. And 2:06:44.840 --> 2:06:47.800 so like, I've just been knowing about cases like privilege 2:06:47.800 --> 2:06:50.720 my whole life because everybody just covers for their fucking 2:06:50.840 --> 2:06:54.520 rich children, and that this is just another example of it. 2:06:54.680 --> 2:06:58.360 The Kennedy's, Damn they really know how to cover for 2:06:58.400 --> 2:06:59.160 their kids too. 2:06:59.600 --> 2:07:04.160 Money power, police all evil. Yeah yeah, I mean. 2:07:05.960 --> 2:07:07.800 Not either, or I came up with a good either 2:07:07.920 --> 2:07:11.080 or Okay, do I ready to ask you this why 2:07:11.120 --> 2:07:12.080 I'm living in a haze. 2:07:12.080 --> 2:07:13.280 I'm so sorry. 2:07:13.320 --> 2:07:18.640 But would you rather marry a police officer or a marine? 2:07:18.920 --> 2:07:23.920 Oh? God, Oh, I don't know. I don't know. 2:07:24.360 --> 2:07:26.560 That's like a real that's a tough one. That's a 2:07:26.600 --> 2:07:29.839 tough one. That's a tough one. I mean, my brother's 2:07:29.840 --> 2:07:31.760 in the army and now it's like it doesn't really 2:07:31.800 --> 2:07:34.240 involve his life very much. So I guess marine because 2:07:34.240 --> 2:07:36.960 that's not like life long like a cop, that's your job, 2:07:37.080 --> 2:07:41.160 that's forever until you retire. Marine, it's like could be 2:07:41.240 --> 2:07:44.360 just but I know that there's some guy on Summerhouse 2:07:44.760 --> 2:07:46.560 Martha's Vineyard that's a bad marine. Right. 2:07:47.400 --> 2:07:48.440 Oh, he's just a dork. 2:07:49.600 --> 2:07:51.880 Oh I thought he's a guy that was like, isn't 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:54.240 there a guy that's like controlling his wife really badly? 2:07:54.440 --> 2:07:58.240 It's a marine Summerhouse Martha's Vineyard. Yes, yes, my bad. 2:07:58.520 --> 2:08:01.760 I was thinking of the original. And he's a chiller marine. 2:08:01.800 --> 2:08:05.560 He just has no gamer, he's just boring. No, the 2:08:05.640 --> 2:08:08.800 summer House, Martha's Vineyard Marine. That's what made me flip 2:08:08.840 --> 2:08:14.280 out with Silas he is disgusting, controlling, an asshole. I 2:08:14.360 --> 2:08:18.240 hate him, but his wife basically it's like a COVID 2:08:18.280 --> 2:08:21.200 relationship and now they're out of COVID and he wants 2:08:21.240 --> 2:08:22.880 to control her. But like she used to be a 2:08:22.880 --> 2:08:24.600 party girl and like she's a fucking oh she used 2:08:24.600 --> 2:08:28.120 to work at Playboy. Like he is awful, but she 2:08:29.080 --> 2:08:31.880 is not better, Like she sucks, and she keeps just 2:08:31.920 --> 2:08:34.240 being like, well, now I'm married, so my friendships are 2:08:34.240 --> 2:08:35.960 different and people need to get used to me because 2:08:36.000 --> 2:08:38.320 I'm a wife now and things are different. And her 2:08:38.360 --> 2:08:41.160 relationship means nothing until you have a ring, and she's 2:08:41.200 --> 2:08:43.840 just so in it. But it's like she's crying at 2:08:43.880 --> 2:08:46.800 the table because she hates her life with him, you 2:08:46.800 --> 2:08:47.360 know what I mean. 2:08:47.520 --> 2:08:48.080 Yeah, And she. 2:08:48.120 --> 2:08:50.120 Goes to the girl who's like the hottest that everyone 2:08:50.160 --> 2:08:54.040 wants to fuck, who like is incredible, and she's just like, 2:08:54.080 --> 2:08:56.160 I just feel bad that you don't have somebody, And 2:08:56.200 --> 2:08:58.680 it's like no one wants to be with your guy. 2:08:59.000 --> 2:09:01.040 Because at one point to the hot cool girl Jordan, 2:09:01.120 --> 2:09:03.040 he goes, I don't want you hanging out with my 2:09:03.080 --> 2:09:05.200 wife because you're a bad influence and you're a bad girl, 2:09:05.200 --> 2:09:06.360 and you kept her out till three in. 2:09:06.360 --> 2:09:09.600 The morning, and I need to keep my wife safe. 2:09:09.840 --> 2:09:12.560 And she goes, your wife isn't an autonomous person should 2:09:12.600 --> 2:09:14.560 go home whenever, And why would you think that me, 2:09:14.600 --> 2:09:16.800 as a single person, doesn't care about my own safety. 2:09:17.080 --> 2:09:19.040 And you're controlling and I didn't realize your wife has 2:09:19.080 --> 2:09:21.240 a curfew and he goes, she doesn't have a curfew. 2:09:21.320 --> 2:09:22.920 I just need her home by two, and it's like, 2:09:23.160 --> 2:09:25.000 so you do have a curfew for your fucking life. 2:09:25.080 --> 2:09:26.120 This is all about an hour. 2:09:26.320 --> 2:09:28.960 This is all about one hour of being over come 2:09:29.000 --> 2:09:32.120 on no and so herey fuck really loudly, and so 2:09:32.200 --> 2:09:34.360 now it's an issue because everyone's like, you need to 2:09:34.360 --> 2:09:36.720 stop fucking so loud, like the whole house hears you. 2:09:37.400 --> 2:09:39.640 And so they're trying to fuck Quiet, and he goes, 2:09:40.120 --> 2:09:41.480 I don't want to fuck you Quiet. 2:09:41.640 --> 2:09:42.280 I don't like that. 2:09:42.600 --> 2:09:45.520 And I can't have anyone else here, my woman moaned, 2:09:45.640 --> 2:09:48.840 So we're just not going to be fucking now. And 2:09:48.880 --> 2:09:52.320 it's like, okay, you can't fuck Quiet because it's like 2:09:52.360 --> 2:09:53.320 he needs to hear the most. 2:09:53.360 --> 2:09:55.440 He's just like a controlling psychopath. 2:09:55.920 --> 2:10:02.720 Yeah, well that kind of ties into the controlling psychopath 2:10:02.760 --> 2:10:08.560 who killed poor Schnori Eno in Japan. And today's so like, 2:10:09.000 --> 2:10:11.120 I don't know, this leads into what would sister Peg do. 2:10:11.400 --> 2:10:13.520 This is our weekly segment where we type point you 2:10:13.520 --> 2:10:17.840 guys to like a resource or a website, a book, 2:10:17.920 --> 2:10:20.000 a podcast episode something to give you more info about 2:10:20.000 --> 2:10:22.440 what we talked about in today's episode. And I thought 2:10:22.520 --> 2:10:26.000 that the story her story was so sad and like 2:10:26.040 --> 2:10:28.480 that the police wouldn't listen to her when she was 2:10:28.520 --> 2:10:33.000 being fully stalked and treated like in a very controlling relationship. 2:10:33.200 --> 2:10:35.160 And I think there's a lot of I don't know. 2:10:35.200 --> 2:10:37.919 I feel like there's a lot of signs of stalking 2:10:37.960 --> 2:10:42.920 that people don't necessarily understand, like unwanted gifts, letters, text 2:10:43.040 --> 2:10:46.040 damages like damaging your property, stuff that like you're like, oh, 2:10:46.080 --> 2:10:48.200 I don't know, he just got mad or whatever. Like 2:10:48.280 --> 2:10:51.200 there's a lot of specifics to stalking that I feel 2:10:51.240 --> 2:10:54.720 like are good to know. So I wanted to point 2:10:54.720 --> 2:10:57.880 everybody to the Victim Connect resource center, and they have 2:10:57.920 --> 2:11:01.360 an article that is all about stock and it details 2:11:01.400 --> 2:11:03.400 all the signs what you can do if you're a victim, 2:11:03.520 --> 2:11:05.840 like how to document everything? And I think it's like 2:11:05.880 --> 2:11:07.880 really important if you feel like you or someone in 2:11:07.920 --> 2:11:11.360 your life is in a relationship that feels controlling and 2:11:11.400 --> 2:11:13.440 could lead to something like that, or are just fully 2:11:13.480 --> 2:11:14.840 being stocked by someone that they're not even in a 2:11:14.920 --> 2:11:18.720 relationship with. So you can find more out at VictimConnect 2:11:18.720 --> 2:11:23.040 dot org. And the link to this article is going 2:11:23.120 --> 2:11:25.600 to be in our show notes and has always saved 2:11:25.680 --> 2:11:29.560 on our Instagram highlight called WWSPD two. Thank you so 2:11:29.680 --> 2:11:32.920 much for that. Everyone needs to take stocking more seriously. 2:11:33.120 --> 2:11:37.800 Fucking assholes, because it's a cake that woman needs to 2:11:37.840 --> 2:11:39.520 be fucking dead before they do anything. 2:11:39.800 --> 2:11:43.200 Yeah, like, I just listen. 2:11:43.520 --> 2:11:47.480 You want another fucked up episode, join us next week 2:11:48.440 --> 2:11:53.200 October Surprise, Season fifteen, episode six. We're obsessed with all 2:11:53.240 --> 2:11:56.600 of you. Thanks for listening. Give us a a nice 2:11:56.640 --> 2:11:59.200 little review. 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