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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: Mayvis Staples.

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Speaker 2: Just play in.

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Speaker 3: Alone with you, just playing alone with you.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to the show. I'm Nora, and with me

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Speaker 1: as always is Sarah Oda.

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Speaker 2: Hello. Hello.

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Speaker 1: Today's show is so fun to record and pretty emotional.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt about it, Oda, but

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Speaker 1: for me, it was it was very very special.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Mayvi's Staples is a force, but like

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Speaker 4: a very sweet, tender, loving, huggable force.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Like, Yeah, She's just an amazing human.

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Speaker 1: She is full of love and we love her.

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Speaker 4: You cannot be in a bad mood when she's in

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Speaker 4: the room.

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Speaker 1: No, And we talk about that a little in this episode,

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Speaker 1: about her energy and where it comes from. Mayva Staples,

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Speaker 1: of course, was part of the Staple Singers.

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Speaker 4: Mavis and her family were iconic throughout the Civil Rights movement.

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Speaker 4: Her father was friends with doctor Martin Luther King Junior,

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Speaker 4: and they performed at rallies and protests before his speeches.

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Speaker 4: They inspired people when people needed it the most.

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Speaker 1: We enjoyed talking to Mavis about her family and the

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Speaker 1: dynamic of the Staple Singers, Pops and of course now

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Speaker 1: She's also a solo artist in her own right. She's

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Speaker 1: influenced so many people. Everybody loves her.

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Speaker 4: And aside from the incredible music that she makes, all

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Speaker 4: the stories that come along with the history she's had

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Speaker 4: and the people she's encountered along the way. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I could just listen to her talk all day long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We talk about all this and we sing several songs together,

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Speaker 1: some that I didn't even know we were going to

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Speaker 1: sing in this episode, So that was really fun. She

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Speaker 1: just goes with it at all times, and that's what's

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Speaker 1: so fun about being around Mavis.

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Speaker 5: I met her for the first.

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Speaker 1: Time in twenty ten when we were both honoring Paul

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Speaker 2: She saw me.

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Speaker 1: We talk about this too, but she saw me and

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Speaker 1: she took my hand and she said, oh, hey, should

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Speaker 1: you be my daughter? Yeah, she just hugged me, and

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Speaker 1: I was just, you know, pure love ever since then.

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Speaker 1: So I was so honored that Mavis could join me

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Speaker 1: and we could play songs together and reconnect.

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Speaker 5: It's been a long time since I'd seen her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And we recorded this episode at Jeff Tweety's studio

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Speaker 4: in Chicago. Called the loft and start off by talking

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Speaker 4: about a song that he wrote for her called You

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Speaker 4: Are Not Alone.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 6: So that's the Mavors corner.

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that when I was here.

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Speaker 2: You don't have a corner. I don't.

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Speaker 1: They gotta get I've been all over the nooks.

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Speaker 2: Even Yeah, well I tell you I got my first

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Speaker 2: Grammy from here. Really yeah, yeah, You're Not Alone.

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Speaker 6: I was from the Staple things just Mayvis.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my first grand That's one of the

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Speaker 1: most beautiful songs I've ever heard.

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Speaker 2: It is beautiful and and you and I got down

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Speaker 2: on it to in the apollo. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping we could start with it actually, just

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Speaker 1: to warm us up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, problem, Yeah, I know the words to that.

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Speaker 1: Did whenever he brought it to you, were you moved

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Speaker 2: I was just and see what he did. He was

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Speaker 2: writing it right here in the studio, and I was

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Speaker 2: standing over him. And he got through that first verse

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Speaker 2: and chill bumps came up, you know, and all of

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Speaker 2: what you doing. He says, I need more time, more time,

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Speaker 2: he said. I said, oh, tweety, and he said, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna have it for you tomorrow. I gotta take it home.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have for you tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: I said, okay, tweet.

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Speaker 2: But he gave me the part of the melody and

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Speaker 2: I laid with that the night that I before tonight,

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Speaker 2: next days, he laid it on me. And I tell

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Speaker 2: that time, you know, I was feeling alone. Really yeah.

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Speaker 2: I had lost my sister, my oldest sister, and and

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Speaker 6: So the song hit me. You know, it was for me.

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Speaker 6: It was for me.

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Speaker 5: It feels made for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was made for me. And I love it.

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Speaker 2: We sing it every show. We don't go off the

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Speaker 2: stage without singing You're not alone.

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Speaker 1: I've heard you sing this many many times. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love it, the audience around the house singing really well

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Speaker 1: if you feel alone.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't alone. I just love the song.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing.

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Speaker 6: Okay, now see, I got.

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Speaker 2: You, babe, I love you.

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Speaker 6: I love you two little girl.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's try it.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you want to try it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I love.

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Speaker 1: The thing I love about this song is how there's

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Speaker 1: harmony the whole way through. Yes, and it has that

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Speaker 1: not alone feeling it does.

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Speaker 2: It's so beautiful and.

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Speaker 6: Just and and and it makes.

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Speaker 2: You feel it's so much better, makes you feel like

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Speaker 2: you're just telling the truth. You're not alone. I know

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Speaker 2: you're not alone. And I tell you people people love it.

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Speaker 2: People as soon as we hit it, they go, bang,

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Speaker 2: it's the best hit it. You're not alone. I'm with you,

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Speaker 2: A lonely to what's that song?

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Speaker 7: The Candy Sun.

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Speaker 2: Got you?

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Speaker 8: A broken into the heart, a broken.

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Speaker 2: Home, I slayed at and aphraise Open up? This is

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Speaker 2: a raise I want to.

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Speaker 7: Get through you. You're not loan, You're not alone.

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Speaker 6: Hither renight.

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Speaker 2: I'm stand in your place.

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Speaker 9: Hither read.

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Speaker 7: Whatever, reface.

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Speaker 2: Taste the same?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, A broken dream, a broken heart, ice lay

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Speaker 8: and afraid?

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Speaker 2: Open up? This is ray?

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Speaker 7: How will to get it through you?

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Speaker 2: You're not lone? An open hand, an open heart, there's

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Speaker 8: I wonna get it bent to you.

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Speaker 10: You're not alone, No, no, I won't to get it

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Speaker 8: No, no, I'm gonna get it through to you.

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Speaker 2: Not alone. Help me. Oh my gosh, she help me.

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Speaker 5: That was pretty.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Oh that's a beautiful you are. So you played

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Speaker 2: all that. Oh there was notes and that and that,

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Speaker 2: that dream and that beautiful, so beautiful tweety, A broken dream,

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Speaker 2: a broken heart.

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Speaker 1: It hurts, tears, it hurts over. I just love it

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Speaker 1: so much, and I loved Jeff.

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Speaker 6: I was so glad you saying that with me and

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Speaker 6: the Apollo.

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Speaker 5: That was really fun.

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Speaker 2: And at first they couldn't find the piano.

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Speaker 5: Oh well I played it on a world it'zir right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I prayed, I said, hen't want to get hurt,

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Speaker 2: and here they go.

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Speaker 5: You prayed for a piano from me. I'm honored.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, that was really fun. That was your birthday.

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Speaker 1: It was that's crazy. Check that out. Wow, you helped

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Speaker 1: me celebrate my birthday. That was the second time, because

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Speaker 1: I was with you in Newport on one of your

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Speaker 1: birthdays at the folk festival.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that must have been. That must have been

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Speaker 2: my seven year.

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Speaker 1: Probably, I think I don't know. I can't remember.

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Speaker 6: I stopped trying to remember.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember how old I am. Sometimes I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but but who cares?

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like any different.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're buds and where this could be

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Speaker 1: the same age, you know what I mean. Like it

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Speaker 1: doesn't my god doesn't feel it doesn't feel very different.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't feel very different.

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Speaker 1: Though you've gotten more experienced than me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yes, and I you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm the old girl. I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm the golden girl. But I'm hanging with young.

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Speaker 1: Blood you are, and people love you, young, people love you.

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Speaker 6: That makes me feel sick.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: You walk into the room and you make me feel young.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you just bring the sunshine with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really makes me feel good that the young adults.

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Speaker 2: I have one friend who works at Columbia College over here,

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Speaker 2: and she teaches, you know, she teaches music, and she

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Speaker 2: tells her students stories and she lets me she says, maybes,

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Speaker 2: these kids love you. These kids, No, you don't know,

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Speaker 2: Hermit Terry Hermett.

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Speaker 11: No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but she tells me all the time, and it

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Speaker 5: They do though, they love you so much. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well see they see that. I'm a kid too, you are,

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Speaker 2: I can admit.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never grown up. In my heart, I'm still

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Speaker 2: a little kid, you know. And I just I just

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Speaker 2: I love to play, I love to sing. I just

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Speaker 2: love people. So I love babies. Yeah, Oh, man, are

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Speaker 2: you take everybody's baby?

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Speaker 1: Are you good with them?

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Speaker 2: I'm good with yeah. Oh. We get on a plane

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Speaker 2: and and and and I always take this little bottle

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Speaker 2: of bubbles with me, just in case. And some baby

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Speaker 2: is going to cry on that plane, and I wait

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Speaker 2: on it. When I hear baby cry, I get my

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Speaker 2: bubbles out, find the baby, and I started blowing bubbles

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Speaker 2: and the baby looks at the bubbles. Mama, be so

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Speaker 2: happy that I came along. Yeah, what, I'm Bubbles.

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Speaker 5: Yeah that's your nickname, right, that's my nickname?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Who gave you that nickname? Really?

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Speaker 1: Since you were a little girl, since you were little?

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Speaker 2: No, not. It wasn't until I was about I wasn't

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Speaker 2: thirty yet, I was in my twenties. And I asked,

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Speaker 2: I said, Mama, why you call me bubbles? She said,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's because you're so bubbly. You're just always so happy, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, you just came out that way.

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Speaker 6: I came that way.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask that where that comes from.

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Speaker 1: But I think people who have that just are like that.

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Speaker 2: I'm just happy, go lucky all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's a great way to be.

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Speaker 2: It really is. And I'm grateful because but every now

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Speaker 2: and then I'll let something get on my nerve.

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Speaker 1: My friend Jesse Harris wrote that song. Really, he was

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Speaker 1: Sometimes people think I wrote it, but hey, I wrote

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Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah? Well, you sing it like you

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Speaker 6: You've got to come from your heart.

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Speaker 6: Pop's always told me.

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Speaker 6: You right right, and you're the same way.

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Speaker 2: You know, you laid back.

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Speaker 2: I'm just so proud to know you, a little lady.

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Speaker 5: I'm proud to know you.

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Speaker 1: I met you at the Kennedy Center for the first time,

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was so fun. It was so special meeting

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Speaker 2: Oh man, that was a good time. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 2: You know that could go either way. And I was

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Speaker 2: told me. Yes, that was Christmas. But Christmas needed you,

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Speaker 1: You know what I needed Christmas last year, and that's

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Speaker 2: Good. Well, I'm glad you made that album because they

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Speaker 1: Under again, it's a Christmas exhaustion.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it was beautiful.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: We recorded the song from Your Christmas the Staples Singers

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Speaker 2: Did you.

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Speaker 1: I'll send it to you. It wasn't it wasn't on

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Speaker 5: But it's great.

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Speaker 1: It's still a great version, and it's a great you know,

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Speaker 5: Lot, really recording.

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Speaker 2: Yeah really, Oh and that was so many years ago.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful album. And and Pops he wrote the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he wrote that and uh, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: You know, for a long time, you couldn't find it.

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Speaker 2: We couldn't find it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, they had to reissue it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And and the Blind Boys they did some songs

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Speaker 6: But I gotta hear twenty fifty.

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Speaker 2: That was my favorite. It was maybewhere my table to

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Speaker 2: May Julie last all good September, October, Nomber. It was

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, twenty fifth day of December.

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Speaker 2: Did I leave it?

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Speaker 1: I think that's when, Larry. You gotta get right.

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Speaker 5: It's the twenty fifth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't get that one right, No, Yeah, and props

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Speaker 7: When was born?

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Speaker 6: Last money you got?

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Speaker 2: June, July, all good, scepteller October North Then boy, it

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Speaker 7: The last money.

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Speaker 2: Born by the Virgin Mary. Last mony we got January?

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Speaker 7: Uh huh February.

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Speaker 7: It was the last model.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it was fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, well we're having Christmas today.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I love the end of that song, last Mother the.

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Speaker 5: So how low can you go? How low can you go?

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Speaker 2: I can't go down? Oh my god, I didn't go down.

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Speaker 6: Whoa, how low can you go?

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Speaker 2: I can go down very low?

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Speaker 5: That is amazing. But did you we like that when

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Speaker 2: You know, my voice was so heavy always, and I

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Speaker 6: They had strong voices.

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Speaker 2: But I would yeah, when I was a kid, it

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I used to really be. I would fight.

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Speaker 2: Wow. And when we started traveling, if I called down

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Speaker 2: And I heard it so much the lesson. I said,

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00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: I'm a lady and they said, oh, I'm sorry. You know,

450
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's always been. Uh, I've always had a

451
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: heavy voice. And and I used to sing bass our

452
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: first record, you know, I sing well the will the willow.

453
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: That's insane. And how old were you?

454
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: I was a kid. I was like like nine years old.

455
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 5: That's when uncloudy day came.

456
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: Oh no, and cloudy day came when I was thirteen, okay,

457
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: twelve to thirteen. But but they wanted to record us

458
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, and Pops wouldn't allow it.

459
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: The president of VJ Records, Vivian Carter, she called Daddy.

460
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: She said, she said, stay, those kids, y'all need to

461
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: be on record. And Pop said, well, Vivian, I don't

462
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 2: know nothing about those records, you know.

463
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 6: He was all of us were green. We didn't you know.

464
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: And he said, I'm not gonna let my children get

465
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: on those records.

466
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: He was afraid because you were too young, right. He

467
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: didn't know.

468
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: What business of it.

469
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 5: Wow.

470
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: And and my sister Yvonne, she would go. She wouldn't

471
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: got books. She got this big red book, this business

472
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: of music. She learned.

473
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 6: She helped them a lot.

474
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: Really, Oh yeah, she got that book and help you

475
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: guys figure out that's incredible.

476
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, she sure did. She stayed right with him, you know,

477
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: booking and and she taught him a lot. But also

478
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: people like the Soulists and and uh sister Maya Jackson,

479
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: they were already recording and they would tell Daddy different things,

480
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: you know, they would tell him, you know, what to do,

481
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: how to do, and watch out for this. So when

482
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: I was about twelve, Pops called Vivian and told him.

483
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: He said, okay, Vivian, we will make that recognized that

484
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 2: my children.

485
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: And after he'd read the.

486
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: Book, yeah.

487
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, he felt good and caught.

488
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, because Pops, Pops didn't know. You know,

489
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: we didn't we were just singing. He used to sing

490
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: with an all male group, six guys, and these guys

491
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't come to rehearsal, so Poss would be frustrated. He'd

492
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: come home mad. You know. He came home that third

493
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: time and he went in the closet, pulled out a

494
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: little guitar that he had.

495
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 6: We didn't even know he had a guitar.

496
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: He couldn't play it.

497
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: He could play it. He couldn't have all the strings,

498
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: but he could make it sound good. And he told

499
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: my aunt Kate, he said, I'm gonna sing with my children.

500
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: He called all of us into the living room. Sit

501
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: us down on the floor in the circle and began

502
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: giving us voices that he and his sisters and brothers

503
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: used to sing when they were in Mississippi.

504
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 5: That's incredible.

505
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: People thought we were old people when we would go places,

506
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: and they just knew we were old. They heard us,

507
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: and because because we had a little radio fifteen minute

508
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: radio show Sunday morning, and we would singing, and they

509
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: thought we were old people because Pops, we were singing

510
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: those old voices like his sisters and brothers.

511
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 6: We would walk in little.

512
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: Stairsteps and they said, that's the stable.

513
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: Singing its own already.

514
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that's yeah. He would give us those voices,

515
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: and that's how we started singing.

516
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 6: My aunt Katie lived with.

517
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: Us, okay, and she came through one night. She says, Chu,

518
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: y'all sound pretty good and want y'all sing in my church? Son?

519
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Had you already been singing in church your whole lives?

520
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: No, yeah, we've been singing. We hadn't do as the family,

521
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: we hadn't been singing in church. We didn't start we

522
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: started doing programs at churches. But but my sister and

523
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: brother were in the young people's choir.

524
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 6: I was too young to go.

525
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so you didn't really sing much until he started.

526
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: Doing it, until he started us singing, what's your order?

527
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: There's five of you kids. I'm the baby, you're the baby. Yeah, okay, bubbles,

528
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: I get it now.

529
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the baby. Oh no, Cynthia, I was the

530
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: baby for twelve years.

531
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 6: Oh wow. And my baby sister came along, and you know,

532
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 6: I didn't like, how.

533
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: Did that go?

534
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: I didn't like that I would be putting diapers on

535
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: that baby and I stick up. Mama said maybe you

536
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: were sticking that. I said, no, ma'am, mama. But Cynthia

537
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 2: and I became the best of friends.

538
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 6: We became the I called her blessed, and she called

539
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 6: me Raba.

540
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: She couldn't say my name rabel and and uh oh,

541
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: but she was, yes, she she was.

542
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 6: I told Papa, I said, we got to put Cynthia.

543
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: She would sing songs with us when we were in

544
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: Chicago at the different churches, you know. But yes, Cynthia

545
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: and see Mama and Daddy, they were just My mother

546
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: was heavy set, so I never knew she was pregnant.

547
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: You know, she just happened. I didn't know where this.

548
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 6: Baby came from.

549
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: And they told me, uh to pacify me. Uh, because

550
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: when my mother came home, she didn't bring the baby.

551
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: She had to leave the baby there, and and and

552
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: and Mama said, you go with with with Roebuck, get

553
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: to pick up the baby.

554
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 6: I said, what baby?

555
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: What baby? Oh, my gosh. And uh and they started

556
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: telling me that we had this baby. And so they

557
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: let me name her. They did that, Oh yeah, Cynthia.

558
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 5: Marie thinking that.

559
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: I named her. Oh boy, And see, because what happened.

560
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: My father, he would he would he wouldn't, he wouldn't

561
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: pass me up. He goes straight to that baby of

562
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: bed or wherever she was. And and blowing. He used

563
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: to blow in my stomach, make me laugh, tore me

564
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: up in the air when he'd come from work. And

565
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: all that stopped. Oh yeah, yeah, And and so somebody

566
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: should have been around to talk to him, let him

567
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: know he was supposed to keep doing that.

568
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: That's interesting.

569
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

570
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I grew up an only child, so it's like just

571
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what it was like being in

572
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: a family, Like.

573
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, it was good being in him. We

574
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: we we uh, we.

575
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 6: Would have we would disagree.

576
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: We didn't have any we fuss sometime, but Mama would

577
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: tell us, don't do that. You had to love your sister,

578
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: and and that's your sister. And you all make up

579
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: apologizing me up. But you know, Yvonne and Cleatye, they

580
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: would do most of the argience.

581
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they were the close older.

582
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: That makes sense.

583
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever you guys were traveling, when how old were

584
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: you when you started really traveling around and like touring.

585
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I guess, but.

586
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 6: Oh, yes, we were touring.

587
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: We were How old were you in that start? I was,

588
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: I was like about thirteen. Wow, Uncloudy Day was a hit.

589
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: It was a hit, and you were thirteen years.

590
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: Old, Uncloudy Day. This woman called Papa, says Staples, this

591
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: record is selling like an R and B. And it

592
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: turned out that it was the first gospel record to

593
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: sell a million. That's insane. It was. Yeah, it was

594
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: the first gospel and and and uh, but but we

595
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: would we would be we would go to down South,

596
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: we would go to Milwaukee, Gary, all around Chicago and

597
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: sing and and people would bet the disc jockey when

598
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: we want to New Orleans, Memphis. The dis jockey would

599
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: get on the radio and say, this is a little

600
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: Mavid Staple. This little girl is singing this. People would

601
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 2: bet that I was not a little girl.

602
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you had that deep.

603
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying, well will will oh? Yeah, Lord, they tell

604
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 2: me now, and I got home. I got a home,

605
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: and can you know, I'm a little girl, a little

606
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: skinny girl.

607
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: And you're short now, so you were probably.

608
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 6: I was even shorter.

609
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: I was even shorter. But but but uh yeah, they

610
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: would bet. And what we would do, we would fool

611
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: the people. We would sing uncody day down in harmony. Whoa.

612
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: They tell me all of that and then get to

613
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: the end of it and I come in with, well

614
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: will will oh. So what happened was my brother at

615
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: that people would be sitting on it. They all of

616
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: these people that bet that I am not a little girl,

617
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, purvise move my brother like

618
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: he's gonna say, and you'd hear the people.

619
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 6: I told you that wasn't no little girl. I told

620
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 6: you that one and I'm easing.

621
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: Then I eased it too the mic and they look

622
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: up and it's really a little girls. Oh.

623
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 6: We had so much fun with it.

624
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: But that's so fun to travel with your family. Did

625
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: it ever get sticky?

626
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 7: Nah?

627
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: No, you always anything, even throughout you got all of it.

628
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: All of it. The only only thing Evonne Clete would

629
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: argue about saying was was.

630
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 6: What to wear.

631
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: One of them wanted to wear this, and one of

632
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: them wanted to wear that. And see, because you know

633
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: my brother he left the group in nineteen sixty nine.

634
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: It hurt me so bad, really, because Purvis and I

635
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: we had this clap. Nobody could do that clap the

636
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 2: way we wore. And and he just got grown a man,

637
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: you know me, and they they get tired of doing

638
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: what their father tell them to do. You know.

639
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 6: He wanted to be his own man. Because Pop's asking.

640
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: Pop said, perr, you sure you don't want to just

641
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: take a leave of absent, No, daddy, nope, I quit done.

642
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: And just as he quit, I'll take you there here

643
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: and and his friends would would mess with him. He

644
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: go into one of their bars or whatever, and they

645
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: put a quarter in the juke box and play I'll.

646
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 6: Take you There. I said, y'all shouldn't do that.

647
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he did, all right. He he he managed

648
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: the emotions for a while.

649
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 5: Oh wow, So he got into the business.

650
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh, he was still in the business.

651
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: He was still in the other side of it, right right,

652
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: they were They were gospel singers at first, and they

653
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: were our little friends, the hutcheson sunbeams, and they wanted

654
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: to sing R and B. And that's when Purvis took

655
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: them down the stacks, got him a choreographer. They had

656
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: some hits.

657
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but that's amazing.

658
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing to me how close you guys

659
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: stayed and that there was let you know, there could

660
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: have been a lot of drama there.

661
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, but but but but my mother

662
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: wouldn't allow it.

663
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 6: Mama and Daddy, you know, they just taught us.

664
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: They they taught um.

665
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 6: We grew up loving one another.

666
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: That's so special though, and it's really feels unique.

667
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 5: And I don't know, you know, an only child, but

668
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 5: I do have a.

669
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Half sister who's two years younger than me, but we

670
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: both grew up separately, so we didn't know each other

671
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: till we were a little older. Oh wow, but yeah,

672
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: only child. That sounds like a party to me.

673
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.

674
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, because some are you spoiled?

675
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: Of course you are. I don't know.

676
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 5: If you ask my mother, she would tell you a

677
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 5: different answer.

678
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I met your mom.

679
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did.

680
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's very tall anytime.

681
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh man, she is tall.

682
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 5: She's tall.

683
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm short.

684
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 5: She's five ten.

685
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: I'm five to one. H.

686
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: So I didn't really. I might have been spoiled, but

687
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: I never messed with her like I was a good kid,

688
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: because I didn't want her to get mad.

689
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: She was soah. Yeah, she was tough.

690
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 6: And by her being so tall, you su I've been

691
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 6: I messed with her.

692
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all you had to do was leap up.

693
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think that would have flown with her.

694
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 6: You did the right thing.

695
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: Listen to mom. Mom knows best. I try, Yeah, you try,

696
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: you try.

697
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Oh man, I was wondering.

698
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first song you sang with Pops

699
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: when he was teaching you.

700
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, The very first song my father taught us

701
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: was what the Circle be on? Ah? Yeah, I love

702
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: that the Circle be on? Bro and all that was

703
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: his faith and and on our records we recorded it

704
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: about four or five times. But on the records, Pops

705
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: is singing, and I love to hear Pop sing because

706
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: he was so smooth.

707
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 6: You know, he was a singer like you.

708
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: He was. He was laid back, look slid Stone came

709
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: to Pops one day and said, hey, Pop, give me

710
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: the bag, and Pop say what you're talking about?

711
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 6: He said, come on, give me the bag.

712
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: I know you got it.

713
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 5: Because he was so laid back.

714
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought and purpose my brother had to tell

715
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: daddy what.

716
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 6: I was talking about.

717
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: And Pop he says, like, you come, I'm gonna choke

718
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: you boy. You know, don't do that mass Yeah. Wow.

719
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 5: It was so funny.

720
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they would all talk about how laid back

721
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: Pop sing, you know, and his voice is just flowed. Yeah.

722
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: But when he he taught us circle be unbroken and

723
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: and and we have sang it. We sang it with

724
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: Johnny Cash on his television show. It was the Staples

725
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: family and the Carter family. That was years ago.

726
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 5: That must have been fun.

727
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 6: It was fun.

728
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

729
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 6: It was for one of one of his specials, you know.

730
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 5: Those TV special Yeah.

731
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: I love yeah. But but and I sing it all

732
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: that's on my on my list on our shows and

733
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: Pops man, uh, because we look at us as a family,

734
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: that's our circle, and he put us in a circle

735
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: when he started giving us the voices to sing.

736
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 5: It was I can just picture it. You're sitting down.

737
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mentum, I'm gonna sing some of it

738
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: for you.

739
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 6: You sing it too. You know, I don't know what key.

740
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: I sing in now you know that I was thinking,

741
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: g I was standing too low?

742
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 5: Huh is that too low?

743
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 6: No, that's good.

744
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 7: What you say? Key?

745
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: That is? That's g okay, that's a shame.

746
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 6: I don't know what ky I sing at.

747
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 5: No, it's not. It probably has changed over the years.

748
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: I probably have.

749
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

750
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: I sing in some different keys though on our shows.

751
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: But it's all right. I don't need to know what

752
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: yeh I say.

753
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 5: I can do it in any key. You just tell me.

754
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh, no, you were I think that was good. I

755
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: was standing that where you.

756
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 7: Were, Yeah, and.

757
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 10: On a cold and cloud every day.

758
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 6: When I saw the.

759
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: Hers come rolling or to carrying my mother the away, well,

760
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: it's a circle be grow can.

761
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 12: By and by lord by and bye.

762
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: He's a bed.

763
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 11: Home away in the sky lord in the scout.

764
00:42:52,400 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: What I told the under take, please drive slow cause

765
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: it's lady that you're haul and oh I.

766
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 7: To see her go. Will the circle be u broke.

767
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 9: By and by lord by bye, there's a bed.

768
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 8: Home away in the sky Lord the sky.

769
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I will fallow.

770
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 10: Close behind her.

771
00:43:53,719 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 8: Try to hold up and be brave, but I could not.

772
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 9: Ull my sil role.

773
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: Wind laid her in the gray.

774
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 7: Will the circle.

775
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: Beyon broken?

776
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 9: Bye and bye, bye and bye. There's a bed Huer lay.

777
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 7: In the sky.

778
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 13: Lord in the sky, in the sky, love him the

779
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 13: sky in the sky, Lord in the sky.

780
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you sound just like Cleedie. Oh really? Oh yeah,

781
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: I heard Cleedie in your voice. Girl, don't start me crying.

782
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: I tell you my sister Kleedie. She had the best

783
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: best soprano voice.

784
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 5: Really, so you were low and she was high.

785
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 7: Yeah.

786
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you come from it.

787
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: So I credit her for the Staples singer sound. Really

788
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh wow. She would shoot and look. Aretha

789
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: would be recording and she tell her sister Carolyn, now, Carolyn,

790
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: I want to sound like Cleother.

791
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: Oh wow, that's amazing.

792
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and Carolyn was saying, Carolyn told me about it.

793
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: She said, maas I told her, I can't sound like Cleover.

794
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: She was mad about it. Would be mad, Oh yeah,

795
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: but it's a different. Pops would clear like a minor.

796
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 2: She would go like, I know what I'm talking about.

797
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 2: I know. And in some places, and but her voice

798
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: if you on all of our old stuff where Kleadia

799
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: is singing, her voice stands out, and and and her

800
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: her soprano, and Pops his guitar.

801
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 6: That's the state of singers.

802
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 5: I love his guitar so much.

803
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: And he cool taught himself.

804
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: Well, that's what's good about it. It's just feeling. It's simple,

805
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 1: but it's it's got the thing.

806
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 6: That's what it's got, the sound feeling.

807
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: Right.

808
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: When did he how did he get that electric sound?

809
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: Do you know how that came about?

810
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 12: Pop?

811
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 6: I remember when he got that trimolo.

812
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: Because that wasn't typical then, no gospel music.

813
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: No and and and and some just some preachers didn't

814
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: want Pops play his guitar in their church. And Popps

815
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: had to let him know, Look, you read your Bible

816
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: string instruments, saying the Bible, you know the heart. The

817
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: pope would name them all. I guess, uh, what's that

818
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: other one? I can't call the name of it. But but,

819
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: but and and and we just wouldn't go to the

820
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: church if they wouldn't let Pops play his guitar. But

821
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: he learned from a blues man, Charlie Patton. Okay, see

822
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: he Pop Pops was on this farm. Patrick practice farm

823
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: in Mississippi, and this man was hollering with a lot

824
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: of the blues singers were on this this farm, and

825
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 2: and and uh, Popps would tell us how this man,

826
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: Charlie Patton would be playing and and look, we didn't

827
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: know for years. While we were singing gospel, our father

828
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: was playing the blues on his guitar.

829
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is. It's the marriage of those

830
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: two things. And that made it so unique.

831
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: Right right right, But he he he, he went to

832
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: the guitar store one day and he came back with

833
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: this trimlo. He said, y'all listen, listen to this, and

834
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: he was drum and Elvis Presley told me one time,

835
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: the first time, yeah, the only time I ever saw him.

836
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 6: And the first time I ever.

837
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: Saw we were in Memphis and I was standing on

838
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: the side. It was a starlight review outside and I

839
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: was standing over in the wing, and all of a

840
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: sudden he come in with one of his partners. They

841
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: got these leather jackets on, like they've been riding motorcycles,

842
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: and and and we had sang and and uh he

843
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: told me, he said, I like the way your father

844
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: played that guitar. I said, well, thank you. He said, yeah,

845
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: he plays a nervous guitar. A nervous guitar.

846
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 6: He called it a nervous guitar.

847
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 5: What does that mean?

848
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: Because of the t.

849
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: That was a good expression. I said, well, I've never

850
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: heard that before. A nervous guitar. Yeah, that's what I'll

851
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: never forget. And that was my meeting with Elvis Presley.

852
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know one of the guys, David Ruffin, who

853
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: sings later sang with the Temptation. He was singing with

854
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: a gospel. He told me, he said, maybe you know

855
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: who that guy what you was talking to? I said no.

856
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: He said blue Sways shoes. I said, I.

857
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 5: Said him, that's him.

858
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: That's the way he would let me know because of

859
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: blue sweight shoes. Wow. But yeah, Pops played a nervous guitar.

860
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 5: Did he laugh at that description?

861
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: Oh? Did he laugh? Did he laugh? He told me, maybe,

862
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: why didn't you call me over to let me meet?

863
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: I said, Dad, I didn't really know who he was.

864
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 2: I was just a David told me who he was. Yeah,

865
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: that was beautiful. That's a good expression of him though,

866
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: of his guitar, nurse guitar, because it does.

867
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: That's just the funniest thing I heard.

868
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but yeah, Daddy, that's that's when he learned

869
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: how to play his guitar. And he was always playing

870
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: it in the house, you know, after he'd let us

871
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: know we had a guitar because we didn't know until

872
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: those guys wouldn't come to rehearsal, and he decided he

873
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: probably probably wouldn't be any Staples singers if they.

874
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 5: Had they had come to rehearsal.

875
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I thank them.

876
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 5: Wow for being not not there.

877
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: Not not serious about this. They were the trumpet to

878
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: and they had a good group too. Pops would sing

879
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 2: lead and uh and poss had a voice. He would

880
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: he he he never went into his false settle on

881
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: the Staple singer. Oh yeah, he would go and he

882
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: would tell me what how they do it up in

883
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: hiven To and then you go pee theaybye to like

884
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 2: a river.

885
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 6: They say, oh, possibly bad.

886
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

887
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 6: And I recorded a song with Tweety that's what all

888
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 6: they're doing in Heaven. I'm not singing it.

889
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: Like pop though, That's okay.

890
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 5: You sing like you.

891
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: I sing like me. Yeah, I sing like me. I'm

892
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: so grateful to be talking to you, little lady. You

893
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 2: are you are so different from anybody else out here.

894
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 5: Really.

895
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody sounds like you. Nobody get me up, break

896
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: But that's what show.

897
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 5: But that's what you want, right to be, to be different.

898
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, and but but I'm just honored.

899
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: You know, I never thought I would meet you when

900
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 2: I first heard you on the radio.

901
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: Don't know why.

902
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: I said, listen to who is she?

903
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 5: Who is she? I'm still figuring it out.

904
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: Yes, well, no, well you you are a giant. You

905
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: a tiny little lady.

906
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 6: You are a giant.

907
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: I tell you, I love it. And when I came

908
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 2: to your show in the Red Rocks.

909
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did a show together.

910
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that was fun.

911
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 6: I started it off.

912
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: I warmed them up for you.

913
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: You killed it, and I was nervous to go on out.

914
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: I was, of course ill those people, all those people

915
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 2: that came out for you, and and and I noticed.

916
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 6: You were doing some songs that I hadn't heard.

917
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and every time you would hit one of those songs,

918
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 2: the crowd would roar.

919
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 5: That's so funny, that's what.

920
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's one of my favorite audiences at Red Rocks,

921
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: and they're always very loving. You play there many times, right.

922
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we have, we have oh, with different people.

923
00:52:58,719 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: Yours was the best.

924
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 5: We had fun. We have fun.

925
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: We had recorded a song together that Pete Ran wrote.

926
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember it, but I was

927
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: wondering if you feel like trying it.

928
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: Oh, it'll come to me as you go, because that's

929
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: been a while. What happened?

930
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 6: Anyway?

931
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: We were supposed to go on tour with that song.

932
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: We were gonna go on tour and then the pandemic hit. Yeah,

933
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: we were gonna do a bunch of shows together.

934
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember. I was so happy. Me too.

935
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, we will again because it again. Yeah, really,

936
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: we will just do it again. We do it again

937
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: and set it up.

938
00:53:49,080 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: You set it up. There's a place.

939
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 7: Five from here going to make it.

940
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: My homeis swear.

941
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 6: I've been along.

942
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 2: Where I gain.

943
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 14: Where I'm going, I'll be gone. I'll be gone.

944
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: Where my hon.

945
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 6: Getting so tired.

946
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: That I candy tail time.

947
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 7: Don't you lie?

948
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 9: When I get where I'm going, I'll be gone.

949
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: I'll be gone.

950
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 9: When Sha I could tell you that the sun was gonna.

951
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 12: Shine, I got a feeling that I stiff won't change

952
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 12: my mind.

953
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 7: Running out of the time. There's a place.

954
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: On the mountain.

955
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 7: You can take my bones.

956
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: But I go home.

957
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 6: When I get.

958
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 9: To where I'm going, I'll be gone.

959
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: I'll be gone.

960
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 7: I got to tell you that it's all going to

961
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 7: be just find.

962
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 9: But I don't want to waste anymore of your time.

963
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 7: You didn't waste mind.

964
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: Oh now you talk about a beautiful song.

965
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 5: It's a beautiful song.

966
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

967
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: He wrote this a long time ago. Really, yeah, I

968
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: mean maybe eight years nine years ago.

969
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 6: And yeah.

970
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: At one point he mentioned, gosh, would be cool to

971
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: hear maybeus sing this song.

972
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 5: I was like, you're right, but yeah, you.

973
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: Know, I'm I'm a little shy sometimes I have a

974
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: hard time reaching out and asking to do things.

975
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: But don't be that way with me.

976
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: Oh I know.

977
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: Okay, now you know you can't come to me anything

978
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: but anything.

979
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: But it came full circle, but not for like five

980
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: more years. And then and then I got unshy and

981
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: I asked you to sing it.

982
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, I was so that that blew

983
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: my mind. I said, oh, wow, it's a great one.

984
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: That's what I wish I could play up yet anything And.

985
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 5: You never picked anything up.

986
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: I picked up the guitar. Yeah, I told perhaps I

987
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: wanted to play that guitar, and he tried to teach me,

988
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: but he didn't. He wasn't taught either. So and and

989
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: then there was a time when Pops was still frisky.

990
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 6: I was young.

991
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 5: What does that mean?

992
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't ready to didn't patient.

993
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 5: I think I took it the wrong way.

994
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 6: No, I didn't mean going out on mama.

995
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's that's frisky. But no, he just

996
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: wasn't patient enough. So he gave me about he got

997
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: me a little training guitar, and he gave me about

998
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: three lessons and he was done. He said, maybe I'll

999
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: tell you what, baby. You go down to Lion Heally

1000
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: And I'm eleven years old. I don't know how to

1001
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: go downtown to Line.

1002
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 6: Healey to.

1003
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 5: Get lessons.

1004
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, to get lessons from them. And I

1005
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: told him, I said, Daddy, I want to pick it

1006
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: like you and sister Rose Tark. I don't want to,

1007
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: you know, But but if I had learned learned, if

1008
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: I had learned how to strum, I think that would

1009
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: have made it easier for him to teach me.

1010
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 6: You know, to pick.

1011
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: Picking is hard harder.

1012
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I know that's but but but I

1013
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: would have been happy strumming.

1014
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to ask you about when you

1015
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: guys met doctor Martin Luther King and you kind of

1016
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: switched from singing gospel to singing these freedom songs protest songs.

1017
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: I read something about Pops meeting him and saying he

1018
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: wants to sing his words. That is the most beautiful

1019
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: thing I've heard.

1020
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: That was something.

1021
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, Pops, he it just happened.

1022
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: We were in Montgomery, Alabama on Sunday morning. We didn't

1023
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: have to work until that night, and Pops called my

1024
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: sisters and I to his room and he told us,

1025
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: he said, listen, y'all, this man Martin is here, Martin

1026
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: Luther the King, and he has a church here. He said,

1027
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: I've been listening to him on the radio. Doctor King

1028
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 2: had a radio show and Pops has been listening to him,

1029
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: and he said, I'd like to go to his eleven

1030
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: o'clock service. Do you all want to go? We said, yeah, Daddy,

1031
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: we want to go. We all got in the car,

1032
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: went down the Deckster Avenue Baptist Church and.

1033
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 6: We were ushered in and seated.

1034
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: Someone let doctor King know that we were in the service,

1035
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: and he acknowledged us. He said we've got to have

1036
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: Popper Staples and his daughter's here this morning. Hope you

1037
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: enjoyed the service. Well, we enjoyed the service. And that

1038
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,919
Speaker 2: at as the service is over, the worshipers, Doctor King

1039
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: stands at the door to shake the worshiper's hands as

1040
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: they filed out, and Pops walked past shook his hand. Now,

1041
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: my sisters and I did first we shoot, we shoot

1042
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: doctor King. Oh, that was a fear. I shook his

1043
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: hand and Pops we had to wait on him. He

1044
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: stood there and talked to him for a while. He

1045
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: finally came on. We get back to the hotel. He

1046
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: called us to his room again and he said, listen, y'all,

1047
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: I like this man's message. I really like his message,

1048
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: and I think that if he can preach it, we

1049
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: can sing it. Wow. And we started writing freedom songs,

1050
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: March up Freedom Highway? Why am I treated so bad?

1051
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 6: We we we we.

1052
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: We switched over because we didn't feel that it was

1053
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: anything wrong. We felt like this was close to gospel. Yeah,

1054
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, we singing the truth, you know, we we

1055
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: we want to we want we joined the movement and

1056
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: and uh we would sing, we would sing.

1057
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 6: Before Doctor King would speak.

1058
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: We'd go to the meetings and Doctor King would tell Pop,

1059
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: stay you, I sing my song the night right, Papa saying, oh, yeah, Doctor,

1060
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: we're gonna sing your song.

1061
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 6: Why am I treated so bad?

1062
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was his favorite, and and and and people

1063
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: ask me what did He never talked to us girls.

1064
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 2: He never sit down, and he would just he would

1065
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: just say something, how you girls doing this morning? Y'all

1066
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: doing all right? Yes, sir Doctor King? Wow. But but

1067
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 2: he wouldn't sit in the hold and Pops would talk.

1068
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: People ask me, what did he talk to you about?

1069
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: What he didn't talk to me, you know. But what

1070
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 2: what I did remember mostly Doctor King was his laughter.

1071
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: He had this laughter when he laughed, because most of

1072
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: the time I would see him, he either looked sad

1073
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: or serious, you know. And and when i'd hear him laugh,

1074
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: that would make my heart happy, because I said, Doctor King,

1075
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 2: it's happy. And that would be most of the time

1076
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: when we'd be going to the meeting and the men

1077
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: would be in a huddle down in the talking lot,

1078
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you hear Doctor King laughing.

1079
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 6: That made me feel so good.

1080
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: But no, he never held a conversation with my sisters.

1081
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: And I he was just asking that. He said the

1082
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: same way. Everything are you girls doing this morning? Wow?

1083
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 5: How much older was he?

1084
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: You were young? Still? I was young? Yeah?

1085
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 5: How young were you then? I mean, I'm just I.

1086
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: Was well in the sixties sixty This was like about

1087
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: sixty three, nineteen sixty three, So I was born in

1088
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 2: thirty nine.

1089
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,479
Speaker 6: I'm not good at math.

1090
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: You were in your you were in your early twenties,

1091
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: you know.

1092
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was in my early twenties.

1093
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, but but that was when we joined

1094
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: the movement and we became the soundtrack you did. Yeah. Yeah.

1095
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 6: Congressman John Lewis would tell oh, he was my friend.

1096
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 2: Now he was my And I went to his office

1097
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: when I did a Freedom album with Ray Koto, and

1098
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: I asked him if he would write my liner notes,

1099
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 2: and he said, Baby, you know you and your family

1100
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 2: y'all kept us motivated, kept us inspired to keep on

1101
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 2: watching your songs. I said, yes, sir doctor, because after

1102
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 2: surprised he remembered me. Yeah, I said you. I hadn't

1103
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: seen him in the years, and uh, I was surprised.

1104
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: He gave me a meeting and his office. Of course

1105
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: he did remember me, Baby, your family and and so

1106
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 2: he I hate I missed his birthday, invited me to

1107
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 2: his last birthday.

1108
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 6: Party and I couldn't go.

1109
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: We will working, you know. But but he was my

1110
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: friend to the end. Yeah, Congressman John Lewis.

1111
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, Uncle John, Uncle John. When you guys were

1112
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: writing songs, was everybody was collectively just sort of pitching in?

1113
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: Did Pops always yeah?

1114
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: Was he?

1115
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: Did he ever work on songwriting like on his own

1116
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: all the time?

1117
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 6: Or yeah?

1118
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: He did. Pops was always jotting something down, you know,

1119
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: And and we would help him. We would put some

1120
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 2: words in on this on but but that's Daddy's and

1121
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: we don't want any credit for okay, right, we give

1122
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: them to Daddy, all of us. Interesting, Yeah, we we

1123
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: we dropped drop words and he goes March of Freedom's Highway.

1124
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 2: Made up my mind and I won't turn around, made

1125
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: up mine. And there's this one thing I can't understand,

1126
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 2: my friend, that I'm proud of that because that was me.

1127
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: Why some folk think freedom was not designed for all men?

1128
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: There are so many people living their life perplexed, wondering

1129
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: in their minds, what's going to happen next? Spy, We're

1130
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: going to March. That was the very first one we

1131
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 2: wrote for the movement, and boy we moved on and

1132
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 2: and uh we were saying that. We sing, Oh why

1133
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: am I treating so bad? Pops wrote that because of

1134
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: the there were nine children in Little Rock, Arkansas, trying

1135
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 2: to integrate Central High School.

1136
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 6: They would meet people.

1137
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: These kids would walk up there every day their books

1138
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: in their arms, proud, and people would throw stones at them,

1139
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: spit at them, call them names, but they never turned

1140
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: their head. They just kept walking.

1141
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 6: Oh and these they were my age, they were you know.

1142
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: So we would all be on the floor, Pops in

1143
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: his recliner, and we're watching the news.

1144
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 6: It got so bad and it lasted so long.

1145
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: The mayor of Arkansas, of Little Rock, the governor of Arkansas,

1146
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: and the President of the United States said, let those

1147
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: children go to school. And WHOA I wanted to we

1148
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: all wanted to see this on the news. That particular day,

1149
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: the kids were walking. They get right up to the

1150
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: bus and a policeman put his billy club across the door,

1151
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: and Pop said right there, and he said, now, why

1152
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 2: is he doing that? Why are they treating him so bad?

1153
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: And he wrote that song from that experience. I tell

1154
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: you we have had a baby's sister I have. I

1155
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: have seen a lot. I have seen a lot, and

1156
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: and it just makes me more prayerful and more willing

1157
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: to sing my songs, you know, because I don't have

1158
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: to sing love. I don't have to be like everybody else.

1159
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 2: I've seen protest songs I sing to to help us.

1160
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: Move it forward, move it forward right, moving it forward right.

1161
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 5: And we're still going.

1162
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 6: We're still going.

1163
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and and I owe it to Pops. I

1164
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: owe it to my father.

1165
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 6: You know.

1166
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: We went to South Africa and these people wanted us

1167
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: to sing, want the black people to be in the

1168
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: balcony Johannesburg. And Pops told him. He said, no, I'm

1169
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 2: gonna allow my children to sing like he said, Doctor

1170
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: King just got that straightened out in the States. Yeah,

1171
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: and we're not gonna sing like that. They said, now

1172
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: you can send us home, do what you got to do.

1173
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 2: We're not singing like So they moved our show to

1174
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: the soccer field and sowaito, Wow, it's a wait, it's

1175
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: all it's all black. Uh. You know, this is where

1176
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: the people live in little match boxes. And it was

1177
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 2: the very first time that blacks and white sit together,

1178
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: no kind of I mean that that soccer field was back, yeah,

1179
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: and and black and white were sitting right next to

1180
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: each other. And but they had these I've never seen

1181
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: a German shepherd dog so big. The bit the police

1182
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 2: was walking around with them, you know, I guess for

1183
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: just in case something went wrong.

1184
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 6: But it was peaceful.

1185
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: But see, during that time, they wouldn't let us go

1186
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,520
Speaker 2: downtown by ourselves.

1187
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: That been hard to go at all.

1188
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 7: It was.

1189
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: They wouldn't allow it. The kids would tell me me,

1190
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: if we will call you, we will come see you.

1191
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: If they call my my my calls would go to

1192
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: the white girl's room. She would be there and she

1193
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: would she would take her and she wouldn't let the

1194
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 2: kids talk to me. They wouldn't let them in the hotel.

1195
01:10:52,160 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 2: That It was very educational, very beautiful experience and intense, intense, intense.

1196
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: Yes, you've been on tour though since the pandemic a lot.

1197
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: You've got to tour in these little pockets. And I'm

1198
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: really excited to hear that. I haven't at all yet.

1199
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: I just haven't, not since the the COVID started. Oh okay,

1200
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm excited that you're out there doing it.

1201
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going everywhere you're going.

1202
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 6: And we're booked now through November.

1203
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 5: You're doing a tour with Bonnie ray the Center.

1204
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 2: I hear, I always do it. That's amazing. That'll be

1205
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 2: my third tour.

1206
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 5: You've known her a.

1207
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: Long time, right, Oh, yes, she's great.

1208
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 5: You know that's going to be a show.

1209
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: I tell you.

1210
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 6: Oh, it's always good show.

1211
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I used to be telling us a Bonnie

1212
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: my father love her so much.

1213
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: You're jealous.

1214
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I told us. I said, look, I didn't

1215
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 2: know if I should get some red hair, or if

1216
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: I should learn how to play the geitar, or if

1217
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: I should get real tiny. Because Pops loved and she loved,

1218
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: she came to see. She came to the hospital Seapop

1219
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: when he was sick. Wow, and Bonnie took me so bad.

1220
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: Pops went upstairs. He wasn't feeling good, and he went

1221
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: upstairs to lie down.

1222
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 6: She followed him.

1223
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,440
Speaker 2: She sit on the bed and she said, now nobody

1224
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: can tell me I haven't been in pop stable bed.

1225
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 1: That's Bonnie. Yeah, that's Bonnie. No.

1226
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 2: It was funny, Yeah, it's funny, but it was so good.

1227
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 2: Made poss feel so much better. He gave her a guitar.

1228
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 2: He had to get there, and all of us were there.

1229
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: We sang, that's beautiful. It was, isn't it something? How

1230
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: music keeps you going? Yes, it really keeps.

1231
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,639
Speaker 1: Yes, it keeps you young, keeps you young, and it's healing,

1232
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: and it brings joy.

1233
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 2: And right, and we can't do without music.

1234
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 5: I know, no way I get that feeling from you.

1235
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, I pass it on. But well,

1236
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 2: I tell you.

1237
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 6: Yours brought me so much. I wish pop could hear.

1238
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: Oh, I wish I could play watch him play guitar

1239
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: in the person.

1240
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 2: You know what he would do. He would tell me

1241
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 2: that's the way. Oh no, that's the way. You know.

1242
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: Who else you know who else gave me that feeling

1243
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: always was Levon Helm.

1244
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1245
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave me that feeling where he just it

1246
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: was just all music and it kept him.

1247
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: Going and just you know, oh man.

1248
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: And I remember the first time I saw you on TV,

1249
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: was watching The Weight on the Last Walls and I thought,

1250
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: my goodness, she is beautiful.

1251
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 5: And she's smoking all.

1252
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Oh my god. I was just

1253
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: like and you looked six feet tall and yeah, you

1254
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: look so tall.

1255
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 2: Yes, look so tall. Yes, oh yeah you do. We

1256
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: had on those lone black gown. Yeah.

1257
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 5: It was beautiful.

1258
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, I mean I'd heard your singing my whole life,

1259
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: but it was the first time I.

1260
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 5: Zero it in and visually.

1261
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was nice.

1262
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: I know you had our long friendship with Levon.

1263
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 6: Oh lord Levon.

1264
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: I have an album coming out with Levonne. Wow, and

1265
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: and and uh. We did it at his barn and

1266
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 2: he was right next to me and with them drums.

1267
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: But but I tell you about that when we when

1268
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 2: we were doing les Walt, Levon was smoking and Pops

1269
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 2: went back to We had a break. Levon, Pops go back.

1270
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 2: They were tight buddies. V and Pops. Leave On, Man,

1271
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: you spoken two cigarettes. He had a cigarette and Levon said, all.

1272
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 6: You gotta try this one.

1273
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 5: I don't think they were the same.

1274
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were not the same. Papa say, leave on, man,

1275
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that messed. But that that Daddy laughed

1276
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: about that forever.

1277
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 6: He laughed about that.

1278
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, Levon, that was the best time because we

1279
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: stayed there about a week. We you know, we would

1280
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: go back to the barn every day from.

1281
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: The hotel and making the record. Yeah, so when did

1282
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: you make it? About ten years ago?

1283
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 6: Yes?

1284
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, because I was gonna say, look, are you

1285
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 2: all gonna release this record? Am I going to be?

1286
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: Didn't gone? Or what? But yeah, they it's coming I

1287
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 2: think in May, Okay.

1288
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I can't wait to hear it.

1289
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: It's been a long time and I love it.

1290
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 1: You know that he's gone especially, Yeah, it'll be so

1291
01:15:58,840 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: special right.

1292
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1293
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 2: And Amy Amy helped, you know. I told her to

1294
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 2: tell her about it. I said, Amy, I didn't need

1295
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: to release the record. Yeah, you know we'd end up

1296
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: in age and we might leave here me No, So

1297
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 2: you say he got it going good? But yeah, that

1298
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 2: was that was a proud time.

1299
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: Did you do what the songs? Did you do with Levan?

1300
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: Did you do all old songs? Did you do that

1301
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: that Nina Simone version? What? That's a Billy Taylor song,

1302
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: isn't it. I wish I knew how it would feel

1303
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: to be free?

1304
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: That's a Billy Taylor song.

1305
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: That's what my my my phone said when I googled it,

1306
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: because I mean the Nina version is, but I think

1307
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: it's that Billy Taylor wrote it, really, and I it's

1308
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: so funny.

1309
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 5: I saw him play.

1310
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when I was in high school, I didn't

1311
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 1: realize that. Yeah, but yeah, that's a great song. Did

1312
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: you record that with Levon? Yeah? I wish I knew.

1313
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: And and we recorded Trouble in Mind.

1314
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 2: Oh that was in min Yeah, and and uh, whoa,

1315
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 2: I love somethin Nina.

1316
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: Did you know her? Oh?

1317
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: Yes, well, yes, yes, And she was someone I met

1318
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: whose voice was heavier than mine. Yes, and the boy

1319
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 2: she was I saw her first saw her in the

1320
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 2: village gate and she had on her own white she

1321
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: was playing that piano and and and all the people

1322
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 2: down she stopped and stood up. Do you people have

1323
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:34,879
Speaker 2: cotton in your ears? Whoa?

1324
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 6: She told them off because.

1325
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: They were talking, you have cotton in your ears? And

1326
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: I said, whoa, go home with sister.

1327
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 6: But yeah, we got to know.

1328
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: We got to be very good friends. That's great.

1329
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 6: We were We were.

1330
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: In the Bahamas though, last time I saw her we

1331
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 2: were in the Bahamas. And uh, then she moved to

1332
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: New Guinea, where Miriam mckibo was okay, and and uh

1333
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: she passed away over there. But the baby's sister we

1334
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: were in New Guinea. Don't you know these little guys

1335
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: they were in the auditorium where we were singing. They

1336
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,879
Speaker 2: wanted to have a coup against the president of somebody.

1337
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: Oh God. And we got to the show and we're

1338
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 2: standing at the door, Pops and my sister and I

1339
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 2: and this man is saying that's all we could understand

1340
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: was you know, and and he was telling them. So

1341
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: they still came in with the guns and they stood

1342
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: on the side of the stage in the wings where

1343
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 2: we were, and as I was singing, I would look

1344
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,440
Speaker 2: over there a little bit and it would be just dancing.

1345
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 5: That is crazy.

1346
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, y'all, I'm scared us to death.

1347
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: You have gone to some wild times play You've had it, yes.

1348
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So we made it through that one that

1349
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: I do have one more question, if you feel comfortable

1350
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: talking about it. Yeah.

1351
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: I was curious about songwriting and the story you told

1352
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: me yesterday.

1353
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that broke my heart.

1354
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's been so long ago that I'm surprised.

1355
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 6: I even brought it up.

1356
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.

1357
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 2: Somebody said something about songwriting and it did this man.

1358
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 2: You know, I had been my three songs and he

1359
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: was at Stax Records. He wanted all of my publishing. Yeah,

1360
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 2: and I'm telling him on the phone, telling him, no,

1361
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 2: I'm singing twelve songs on the album. You know, you

1362
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: take all that publicsh but mine. My father's always taught

1363
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 2: me I should get one hundred percent of my writers

1364
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 2: and publishers. And that's and he talked to me like,

1365
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 2: all right, miss Stables, all right, I understand, yes, all right,

1366
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 2: we'll do as you like.

1367
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 6: And I'm thinking I've won.

1368
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the record come out and and it's it's on

1369
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: a different label or something, and uh, it's me singing.

1370
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 2: And then they have songwriter unknown and I say, a

1371
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: song you wrote, yeah.

1372
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 6: The song that I wrote.

1373
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 2: Wow, And I said, well, you know it was so

1374
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: long ago, you know, no need of me trying to

1375
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: fix this now.

1376
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 6: But that broke my heart.

1377
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 5: And you didn't write after that.

1378
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:46,759
Speaker 6: I didn't write any more songs.

1379
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: But that's the that's the sad part. But but you

1380
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: still make all songs your own. Yeah yeah, yeah, but

1381
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: that's just you know that stuff happened so much.

1382
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: Yeah back then, that's crazy. You know, it's a share aim.

1383
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 2: The way people are treated. You know, it's not just me,

1384
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure.

1385
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 6: Uh, the record business has.

1386
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: Been tricky, tricky tricky, tricky, but it was much trickier

1387
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: back then.

1388
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, way back that was and and and and

1389
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: I was doing stuff. You know, I was afraid because

1390
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 2: I was these were these were secular songs, and and

1391
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 2: and you do something secular against the gospel stuff. I

1392
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 2: was lucky. I don't know how it happened. I recorded

1393
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: A house is not a home. I recorded a six

1394
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: and and the church people didn't say nothing about it.

1395
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you you got in trouble for that.

1396
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: I could have got could but they didn't. You know

1397
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: what they messed with I'll take you there. They wanted

1398
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: to put us out of church. Wow, they say, the.

1399
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 6: Stables singers and singing the devil's music.

1400
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: Wow, the devil music. I said, you all, you gotta

1401
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 2: listen to lyrics. They heard this beat. Yeah, and then

1402
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 2: the people would jump up and dance. And I'll take

1403
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 2: you there, you know, because but up until I'll take

1404
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: you there, we just sing with my father's guitar. We

1405
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: didn't have no rhythm section. We just sing with dad

1406
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: his guitar. And and but when this rhythm section came on,

1407
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: I'll take you there, singing. We're telling you I know

1408
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 2: a place ain't nobody crying. Ain't nobody worried.

1409
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: That's a gospel song.

1410
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: Take you to Hell?

1411
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean.

1412
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: And and lo and behold. After all the interviews we

1413
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 2: did talking to these people, they invited us back to church.

1414
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: We go back to church. The first song requested in

1415
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: the pool bit I'll take you there. You know well,

1416
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: I said, you know, you just don't know what to

1417
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: do to please people.

1418
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 5: It's true.

1419
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: That's why you got to just be your truth, sing

1420
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: your truth right and spread some loved put out love. Yes,

1421
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: put it out there, and that's what you do.

1422
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it.

1423
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 6: I'm going to keep on doing it.

1424
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: You are my favorite fall of love.

1425
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 6: You, my little sweetheart. I love you so much.

1426
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 5: Do you have one more song in you?

1427
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 11: Or?

1428
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 1: Can I play? Can I play you a song and

1429
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: you chime in if you want? Yeah, and we'll end it.

1430
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 5: We can.

1431
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

1432
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: I the the album. Pops made the album uh that

1433
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: song friendship.

1434
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: Oh yes?

1435
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: And then Jeff and the crew they kind of fixed

1436
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: it up right and and recorded all recorded like you

1437
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: weren't happy with it and it never got that's right.

1438
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 2: And tweety did all that for Pop's album. That was

1439
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 2: that's his last work, and I wanted it. I wanted

1440
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: to put it out there, but I wanted to put

1441
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 2: it out properly and night, and so he.

1442
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: Re recorded all the stuff that you weren't happy with, right, Yes,

1443
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: he took the tracks of Pops and you guys singing.

1444
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 2: And I was so pleased. I come up in here

1445
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: to listen and tears just flowed. Yeah. You know, my

1446
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: sister Vaughn and I we came to check it out.

1447
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 2: Thank you, jeh. It's a beautiful recording. And it's a

1448
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 2: great song. That's a pop song. Yeah, yeah, it's a

1449
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: good song.

1450
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 5: It's a really good song.

1451
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 15: Say watch my longtime friend, something's bothering You tell.

1452
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 2: Me what the problem is. I see what I can do.

1453
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 3: There's the times we disagree, we agree more than we don't.

1454
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: We won't always see I do lie, but we will.

1455
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 7: More than we won't.

1456
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 11: Because we got our friendship, the kind of last of

1457
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 11: life time.

1458
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 16: Through all the timeships.

1459
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: You know, your friend.

1460
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 11: Of mine, We got our friendship, the kind of last

1461
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:59,879
Speaker 11: life time, through all those hardships.

1462
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 2: You know you're a friend of mine. You want to

1463
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 2: sing what, oh barn talk to me? Oh parl of mine?

1464
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 2: If you feel you can't go home, don't you sweat.

1465
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: It ain't over yet.

1466
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 6: This bond with sharing a strong.

1467
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 2: I've been aware you are right now.

1468
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 6: You saw me through it all.

1469
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 2: I lean on you. Now you can lean on me.

1470
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 2: I bet I won't lady your fall because we got

1471
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: friendship kind of lasts a life time through all the hartship.

1472
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: You know you're a friend of mine.

1473
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 11: Because we got fair ship, the kind of lasts life time.

1474
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 16: Through all those hardships, you know you're a friend of mine.

1475
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 15: If you're on the street, I'll take your hat. You're hungry,

1476
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 15: I'll give you food. If it's money you need, I

1477
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 15: got some saved.

1478
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 2: If you're sick, I visit you.

1479
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 5: I've been with you.

1480
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 2: All right now, you saw me through it all. I'll

1481
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 2: lean on you now you can lean on me.

1482
01:27:53,360 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 16: I won't let you fall because we got friendship, the

1483
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 16: kind of last life time.

1484
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: Through all those hard ships, you know you a friend

1485
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: of mine.

1486
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 7: We got friendship kind of last life time.

1487
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: Through all those harships. You know you're a friend of mine.

1488
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,879
Speaker 7: Through all the hardships.

1489
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 2: You know you're a friend of mine. Through all the

1490
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: hard ships. You know you're a friend of mine. I

1491
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: had a fight to keep from crying.

1492
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 7: Girl.

1493
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 5: I love that song and I love you. Thanks for

1494
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 5: thanks for talking with me.

1495
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm so happy. I'm so happy you invited me. I've

1496
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 2: never done one of these. What do you called it?

1497
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 6: A podcast?

1498
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 2: Podcast?

1499
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Well, I'm honored that you joined me. Thank you, Mayabs.

1500
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: You are loved by all who know you.

1501
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: Ask for everything always, Thank you. Thank you.

1502
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: Just playing alone, Thanks for listening to the show.

1503
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 5: That was Maybas Staple.

1504
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

1505
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a fun way.

1506
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 4: I just want her to call me and tell me

1507
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 4: everything's going to be okay.

1508
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 2: I believe her.

1509
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 5: We should just call her.

1510
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Hey, can you tell me everything can be okay?

1511
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 5: And she probably needs to hear it too. Sometimes it's true.

1512
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. She is not alone.

1513
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 5: In fact, let's let's wrap this up so we can

1514
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 5: go tell her.

1515
01:29:58,439 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 4: How m.

1516
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 5: Thanks for listening to the show.

1517
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 1: Our show was recorded by Mark Greenberg at The Loft

1519
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: in Chicago, mixed by Jamie Landry and additional engineering by

1520
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: Greg Tobler. Produced by Me and Sarah Oda Sarah Oda

1521
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 1: and Wa photography by Shervin Linez.

1522
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 5: Artwork by Eliza Fry. See you Later,