1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is a special bonus episode, so 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: we don't have a number for it. But Sarah and 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: I usually record our podcasts ahead of time because as 13 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: two working parents, we know that stuff goes wrong and 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: working ahead is the way that you make sure that 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: you don't miss deadlines. And because of that, we've managed 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: to publish every Tuesday for two and a half years now, 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: even as both of our families have grown, as we've 18 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: gone through trips, various family things happening, It's come out 19 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: every Tuesday because we work ahead. But of course the 20 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: downside of that is sometimes news changes fast, and so 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: we're going to continue to release the regular episodes on Tuesday, 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: but we thought we'd do a few short episodes talking 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: about life in these sort of more challenging times as 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: everything is in flux. So both Sarah and I are 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: working from home right now, I mean I always do, 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: But Sarah, tell us a little bit about your situation 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: and how this has changed with the coronavirus epidemic going on. Yeah, 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: there's just I mean, I'm a hospital worker and part 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: of my job is clinical, and part of it is 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: more of a leadership role with our residents, and everything 31 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: is really up in the air right now. I'm currently 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: working from home because I have a very mild cough, 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: and just in an abundance of caution, our healthcare system 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: has basically required anybody with any kind of symptom that 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: could be anything to just stay on out of there, 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: which is fart is very smart to protect our patients 37 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: and to protect other caregivers, because you know, if we 38 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: interact with our colleagues and then spread something around, then 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: that could be very bad. And there's just so much 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: uncertainty with this. We don't know, you know, exactly how 41 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: long most people are contagious for, Like, we don't know 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: you know the the rate of asymptomatic shedding that happens. 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: We don't even know how good kids are as vectors. 44 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: So there's there's just all these question marks and politics aside. 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: I think we're all in the same boat right now, 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: as many of you guys are all working parents, and 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: we all have our kids at home, which many of you, 48 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: a few of you, not many of you, a few 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: of whom might be homeschoolers, so that's normal, but most 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: of you probably aren't. Yeah, exactly. No. It's funny because 51 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: I've written a couple of articles over the years about 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: people who work and also homeschool, and it's more possible 53 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: in these days than it would have been, like you know, 54 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: in the past that just would have been like what 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: on earth, like that those two things don't go together. 56 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: But there are so many ways of working. Work does 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: not need to be done at a particular time and 58 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: place necessarily for some people, and school actually doesn't have 59 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: to be done at a particular time and place in 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: many cases. With the rise of remote learning options, certainly 61 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: children who are slightly older are able to be quite 62 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: self directed in terms of their learning. And there's actually 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: a number of like online charter schools for instance. And 64 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned like Florida has a virtual school 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: right for housebound children. They do, like I've had patients 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: that use it. They haven't like deployed it to any 67 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: of the current students yet, but I know that platform 68 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: does exist because I've had some medically complex patients, like 69 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: patients going through chemo or who otherwise just aren't safe 70 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: to be in the regular school system have done school 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: from home and it's considered actually separate from the homeschool. 72 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: It's considered an actual public school called Florida Virtual School. So, 73 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know will happen. I do think 74 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: everyone needs to breathe for a minute, because it's been 75 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: like five seconds and then there's been like ninety five 76 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: elaborate schedules and maybe I'm guilty. I mean I made 77 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: one of the Mine is like super non elaborate, so 78 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: it involved a lot of screen time. So but uh, 79 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: like I'm not super worried about my kids like losing 80 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: a ton of ground. Maybe it's because my kids are 81 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: pretty young. Yeah, I feel like if we do a 82 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: couple hours of stuff each day and that can include 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: just reading, will probably be okay. Yeah, Well, that's the 84 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: cool thing. I mean from having studied a lot of 85 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: homeschoolers schedules and fun fun fact here my senior thesis 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: that Princeton was actually on homeschooling. That's how long ago 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: I was interested in this topic, but it was it 88 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: was less common then. And but the people who do 89 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: this it doesn't take six and a half hours a 90 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: day or whatever your state mandated instructional time is for 91 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: your for your schools. You can a lot of that 92 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: time at school is transitions. It's things that your kids 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: might be doing anyway, like recess or eating lunch. It's 94 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: things that you might not even consider to be part 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: of school. I mean, well there are, but you know 96 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: you might do them on your own two like instrument 97 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: practice for instance, or reading right like, I mean, that's 98 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: part of it too, Like any you know elementary school 99 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: teacher is going to have their kids read do silent 100 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: reading for a while, and so that's part of it 101 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: as well. So the actual instructional part can be relatively 102 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: limited and still be moving forward. My kids, depending on age, 103 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: have have somewhere between two hours and fifteen minutes and 104 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: three hours of stuff that I have assigned per day 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: and an hour of that is independent reading. So you know, 106 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: we're it's it's not like eight hours a day by 107 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: any means, but it's actually been kind of fun to 108 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: try on dates. Well day well, day three, we're day 109 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: three here. Oh right, you're a little bit. You guys 110 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: were one of the first school this way were we 111 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: were one other church school districts to close, so we 112 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: knew what was coming and we have gotten into it now. 113 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, each we have a checklist each day 114 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: which the kids have one hour of reading. They have 115 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: thirty minutes of math practice, which we have been doing 116 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: con Academy and dream Box. Ruth was creating her own 117 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: worksheets for a while but then she thought better of that. 118 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Then we have a thirty minute research project which each 119 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: day we have a different subject. So we first did science, 120 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: then we did history. Today was health related, so everyone 121 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: researched a different epidemic and then they need to write 122 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: me up a short report on it based on link 123 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: sort of based on kid age, but so they can 124 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: get writing practice in how is how is Alex's report? Yeah, 125 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to do this. His stuff. He gets stories, right, 126 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: we're reading stories. Then he does ten minutes of writing 127 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: practice just to sort of keep working on the hand coordination. 128 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: And then we've actually been working with him through the 129 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: Bedtime Math books, which I can highly recommend. They are 130 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: by Laura Overdek who did a couple of these. There's 131 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: several of these books, but it's the idea is it's 132 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: set up like a bedtime story. So you read a 133 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: short paragraph that sets up a topic, and then they 134 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: have four different levels of math problems associated with their 135 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: story problems, and so you read it to the kids 136 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: and they figure it out. And so we've been doing 137 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: that with Alex for math. Cool. Yeah, we have like 138 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: our kids homework. They use a program called I Ready 139 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: for both reading and math. I think it's a Florida 140 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: statewide thing. So we've just continued their normal cycle of that, 141 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: and we use Reflex Math for math, which is more 142 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: just it's not really like they have I Ready Math 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: for more concept type stuff and Reflex is just like 144 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: NML's memorizing timestables and Cameron's try to learn like four 145 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: plus three. So yeah, we they do that and then 146 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: I have them write a story either like a journal 147 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: entry of like what's going on? Although I think those 148 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: are going to get a little repetitive, but we'll see. 149 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: And for Cameron, it's more like, try to write once, 150 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: try to write and a picture and then I as 151 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: them to read either two chapters of a chapter book, 152 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: either anibook can read it to Cameron, or he can 153 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: read his own two picture books, or she can read 154 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: like whatever they want, but like two books or chapters. Yeah, 155 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: so it sounds good animal what you do. She's like, 156 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: I read Genevieve, green eggs and ham. That is perfectly good. 157 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things you learned by doing that, right, 158 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, in addition to the reading practice obviously, but 159 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: reading out loud is itself a skill that I would 160 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: say many adults don't do very well. That's true. That's true. 161 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: You know, presenting words to other people is not automatic, 162 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: and so you're absolutely right. It's good that she's working 163 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: on that. No, we're actually so the first official virtual 164 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: instructional Day starts tomorrow. We're recording this on a Tuesday, 165 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: so the Wednesday, our teachers are starting to send assignments, 166 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: so we will incorporate that into the schedule. It's mostly 167 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: Jasper who's going to have the more formal remote instruction, 168 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: like his different teachers are posting assignments, so he's going 169 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: to start mostly doing that. The other kids, I think 170 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: it'll be more just reinforced, like math practice and things 171 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: like that, so you know, they'll still need a few 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: additional things to keep them busy. And we are still 173 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: having our nanny come because currently I still have a 174 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: lot of work responsibilities. I've had like seven thirty am 175 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: conference calls every day, and then I have to disseminate 176 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: that information to the residents, and I'm trying to redesign 177 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: a lot of their education to figure out how to 178 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: do it remotely, which is not that easy apparently. So yeah, 179 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I know this is a dilemma for 180 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people. But our nanny herself has sort 181 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: of agreed to isolate. Incidentally, she has like the same 182 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: coffie I have, so I'm not worried about transmitting or 183 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: getting or giving that to her because that already happened 184 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: before all of this. But yeah, I know this is 185 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: sort of a dilemma for some people, like whether or 186 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: not it's even okay to do that. There are a 187 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: lot of of college students that currently have a lot 188 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: of free time that might even you know, I was 189 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: thinking about it, might even be willing to live in 190 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: if you have the space to keep them, so they 191 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: could become like a de facto additional family member if 192 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: you really need some somebody, you know, you can pay them, 193 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: they can earn extra money, and you could get your 194 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: remote work done without you know, worrying about an infection risk, 195 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: especially if they're willing to stay with you. Yeah. No, 196 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: that's definitely true because a lot of these college students 197 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: are in a rough place here. I mean, if you 198 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: think about it, you know, the people who's there's just 199 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: this assumption that people have somewhere to go, which may 200 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: not be true for everyone, right, Like, you know, not 201 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: all college students are you know, have mom and dad 202 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: home with the picket fence that you can just immediately 203 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: move back in with. And then the people who are 204 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: in say apartments near campus, there's the question, well, did 205 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: you have a job on campus, for instance, and that 206 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: was what was paying your rent? So you do then, 207 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just all kinds of bad situations here, 208 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: and hopefully some of these colleges with multi billion dollar 209 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: endowments are thinking that through. Yeah see, we'll see. So yeah, 210 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: How's how's remote work going. How have you adjusted to that? 211 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: It's I'm still learning. I mean, we're actually in the 212 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: process of setting up telemedicine. I mean, this is interesting. 213 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: We were on this big conference call this morning and 214 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: they're like, we have one test site set up, and 215 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: I was like giggling internally because that test site is 216 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: our house. Because well because actually, I mean two physicians 217 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: in one one place, so they get double bang for 218 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: their box since we both worked for the same health 219 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: system and my husband has like a computer background and 220 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: he is actually the one that sort of spearheaded it 221 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: and volunteered to be to help set it up. So actually, 222 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: fairly certainly, I'm fairly soon. I think I'll be able 223 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: to do a lot of my clinical job from home, 224 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: although I can also do telemedicine from the office if 225 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: they prefer to have me go in there. At some point. 226 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: They're just trying to really avoid groups of people cohorting 227 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: together and our office spaces are really cramped. So in 228 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: my mind, if you know, for a real infection control, 229 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: if you can do the exact same thing from your 230 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: desk at home, like why not? Yeah, no, that's so true. 231 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and we talk about things that are going 232 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: to change coming out of this, because why on earth 233 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: do we ever have people congregating in a waiting room. 234 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean you could. I just got an article pitch 235 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: on an app that tracks doctor waiting room times, right, 236 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: so that you can actually tell the patient in real time, 237 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: like your waiting room will be I mean, your your 238 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: exam room will be ready in forty minutes. So why 239 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: don't you just stop and get a cup of coffee 240 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: or like run an errand or whatever, and then knowing 241 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: that that's when you can get into the exam room 242 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: to be more respectful of the patient's time, and then 243 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: to keep people from congregating in the waiting room because 244 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: that's where you know, you spread disease. I mean, poor 245 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: little Henry his two month appointment was a couple of 246 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he came out of it with a cold, 247 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: because you know, just passing through the doctor's office like 248 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: it's just jermy children everywhere. So the problem is it 249 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: doesn't work for everything, Like there are certain things you 250 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: do want to do an exam for, like I have 251 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: a ton of growth patients. Well I'm not going to 252 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: be able to measure them when they're at home. It'll 253 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: be great for like my diabetes patients because I can 254 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: just kind of actually we can download their pumps or 255 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: their meters, look at them and kind of make adjustments 256 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: on the fly and send in prescriptions. But then other 257 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: patients like yeah, especially growth in my personal like I'm 258 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: not going to do puberty exams on a screen, Like, no, 259 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: we're not going there. But it's true some visits. I've 260 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: always thought this could be moved more to virtual for 261 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: the convenience of patients. And you know, everybody does say, 262 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: like the silver lining of this is like and there's 263 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: not a lot of silver linings. I mean, I you know, 264 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: we'll get to it. Like, but we're coming from this 265 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: at such a place of privilege, and I know there 266 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: are people that are struggling and they don't have childcare 267 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: and their jobs are in jeopardy, and like this is 268 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: just a big freaking deal for a lot of people 269 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: and it sucks. Yeah, but if there's anything that will 270 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: come out of it, maybe there is the transfer of 271 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: innovation or figuring out if we can question the ways 272 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: we do things, because sometimes we do things the way 273 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: we've always done things, and it takes I guess something 274 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: this big to sometimes make us question some of those things, 275 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: like even little things. Yeah, well you just think about 276 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: all the jobs that people insisted, oh, this couldn't be 277 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: done remotely. Yet Yeah, it can be done remotely. Like 278 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: all those meetings that could have been emails, Yep, turn 279 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: out they could have been emails. There's just been a 280 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: huge amount of wasted time that did not have to 281 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: happen that way. In terms of commutes, we're and tear 282 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: on the planet associated with people moving around. And that's 283 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: not saying you never need to be in person, but 284 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: I think the balance is much different than many people 285 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: have assumed it to be. I mean, just our podcast, right, 286 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: you and I have actually seen each other in person 287 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: I think half a dozen times, right, But it's doesn't 288 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: feel like that. But it doesn't feel like you're right right, 289 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: Like I mean, we've started a an enterprise here that 290 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: has managed to run itself for a couple of years, 291 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: and it's it didn't need to all be in person. 292 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: That it's really fun to hang out in person when 293 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: we do, but that hasn't been required for it. Well, 294 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: it was funny, like we had a new conference next week. 295 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: There was a specialty lecture I will not reveal which 296 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: specialty lest it because someone might find this podcast and 297 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: they were like, no, sorry, I can't do this remote 298 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,359 Speaker 1: because I prepared this blah blah blah, And I'm like whatever, 299 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: Like you can. You can a lecture like I will 300 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: make a video screen. You'll be able to see the residence. 301 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: They'll be able to virtually raise their hand. You can 302 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: run them through a case like, you can have them 303 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: do questions and they can answer with their phones. Like 304 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: there's so many things we can do that are like 305 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: that where sometimes you know, it's easy to be like 306 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: or like you just said like, oh, we can't have 307 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: that meeting baby, like, well try it and see try it, 308 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: and I agree. I mean there's definitely been you know, 309 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: I think what part of the resistance is many people 310 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: have been on horrific conference calls before where it's like 311 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: somebody's flushing the toilet, like somebody's dog is barking, like 312 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: you can't see who's on the call, Like so there's 313 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: somebody there you didn't even know was there. And then 314 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: somebody's gone and you keep talking to them and they're 315 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: they're gone, like you never knew they were there or 316 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: not there, and it's horribly inefficient and it doesn't feel 317 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: anything like you're in person, and I think that's probably 318 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: why some people have the resistance to it. That said, 319 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: that's just bad management. I mean that's which happens in 320 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: person as well. You know, video conferences are so much 321 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: better now than they used to be. If people have 322 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: high speed internet access. There's so many programs that it 323 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: feels like you're talking to the person. I mean you 324 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: the human brain does not distinguish between someone you see 325 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: on a video screen and someone you see in person, 326 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: because why would you, like, those things are so great, Yeah, 327 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: I mean there's well this is when people talk about that. 328 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever talked to people who are 329 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: in the television business, like they would people come and 330 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: see them, like meet them on the street, like go 331 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: see them shopping or in a restaurant. They talk to 332 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: them as if they know them. Like it's the weird 333 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: thing about it because they assume any video thing is 334 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: perceived as being two way, even though that's ridiculous, Like 335 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: the person on the TV screen doesn't know you, but 336 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: your brain thinks that you know each other, right. Well, 337 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: audio can be like that too, because I definitely have 338 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: some of my own favorite podcasters, where like, if I 339 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: met them, I think I would probably start talking to 340 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: them like I knew them, and we're like maybe people 341 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: that we've interviewed that I'm like, oh, I know you, 342 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, actually we don't know each other. 343 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: I listened to your podcast, yes exactly. But because of that, 344 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you could definitely establish relationships, you can definitely 345 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: have good conversations, you could get stuff done virtually. Yeah, 346 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: so that's that's good to know, you know, And if 347 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: you're stressed out, I just want to say that's okay. Yeah, 348 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: I've been stressed out. I'm trying to do things to 349 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: mitigate that stress. But there's just a lot of things 350 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: that are very different and up in the air right now, 351 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: and fellow planners may well, I'm sure everyone's struggling with that, 352 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: but man, someone who had every day planned out for 353 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: the next or for months might really struggle even extra 354 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: because it's so funny. I was like, I've never had 355 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: an experience where planning actually like backfired on me. But 356 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: like all these trips that I now have to cancel, 357 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: and you know, many of them, like a normal person 358 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't have ever made the arrangements in the first place, 359 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: because there's you know, four months in advance or whatever, 360 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: but well, things could look different well now, I mean, 361 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: we don't know. But I think it's you know, it's 362 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: also sometimes hard to see in the middle of a 363 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: crisis that things don't last forever and things do change. 364 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: And I mean I certainly remember in the days after 365 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: September eleven, for instance, living in Washington, d C. The 366 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: sense of just panic every time something happened right like, 367 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, car alarm going off or you know, quick 368 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: power outage or something like what happened, you know who's 369 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: done it now? And and you forget in that moment 370 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: of uncertainty that life will keep going and in fact, 371 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean obviously there's been terror attacks sense 372 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: in different places, but nothing on that scale in the US. 373 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: And if you'd thought about that the week after nine 374 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: to eleven, you probably would have said, like, oh, there 375 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: will definitely be another huge one coming right up, because 376 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: that's it just resets your expectations. But then you know, 377 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: things change again. It's I mean, I think that's the 378 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: hard part for planners too, is to know that how 379 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: we how we feel, will how it can change over time. 380 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, we're trying to keep that in mind that 381 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: this sense of anxiety probably won't last forever because it 382 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: rarely does. So are you doing anything positive for yourself 383 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: to kind of stay sane or motivate it or so 384 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: forty news to avoid news? And I would recommend that 385 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: to everyone. I mean, not to the point of being 386 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: ill informed. I don't think that's necessary. But you could 387 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: check the news once a day at a time when 388 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: you are best able to deal with it, and give 389 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: yourself a certain amount of time, like I'm going to 390 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: read for ten to fifteen minutes and then that's it. 391 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: And if you need to take social media apps off 392 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: your phone, if you need to block websites, like whatever 393 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: you need to do to say, Okay, this is my 394 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,239 Speaker 1: time that I can learn what's going on and you know, 395 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: be anxious if I need to, and see what the 396 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: world looks like. But pass that beyond doing the sort 397 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: of things you can do to take care of your 398 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: family and to you know, keep the enterprises you're involved 399 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: with moving forward, Like there's nothing you can do, Like 400 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there's very few people listening to this podcast 401 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: who could say affect the course of the outbreak in 402 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: some other country. I mean, you just it's it's outside 403 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: your realm of control, and that's very hard. But that 404 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: doesn't change whether you're checking the news for fifteen minutes 405 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: a day or fifteen hours a day. So we're probably 406 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: better off not doing fifteen hours. Agree? Are you putting 407 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: yourself on a new diet too? Basically, yeah, I started 408 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: off horrendous. I mean like refreshing CNN every hour, I 409 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: mean partly is like I was like, okay, like I 410 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: have to keep seeing what's happening because it's going to change, 411 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: like what I'm gonna you know, should I tell the 412 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: residents to go remote? And should I do this? And 413 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: should I do that? Like I did feel it. But 414 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: then at a certain point, you're right, like you don't 415 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: need to know every fifteen minutes, probably even every twelve 416 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: hours is sufficient. I'm trying to listen to up first 417 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: in the morning because I really like it's just like 418 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: a nice I don't know, fifteen minutes like and that's it. 419 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: And then I feel like I've I've gotten done to 420 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: maybe three times a day. I'm not going to be honest, 421 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: because but that's down from like way higher than that. 422 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say it's an improvement. The more 423 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: I get busy with other things, the better off I am. 424 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: I mean to be honest, Like the worst days were 425 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: there was a weekend and Josh was on call and 426 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: I was home with the kids and just like spiraling 427 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: because I didn't know what was happening and I was 428 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: by myself and we weren't really yet on a schedule. 429 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: But I also it was you know, social distancing was starting, 430 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: so I couldn't take them anywhere, and it was like 431 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: just sort of flailing, and I was just refreshing every 432 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: two seconds because I felt like I needed to be 433 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: doing something and that felt like something. But now that 434 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: I've actually been back at work and you know, had 435 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: to attend meetings and had to create new schedules and 436 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: new you know, rules for the residents and figure out telemedicine, like, well, 437 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: I haven't had time to check see in every two seconds, 438 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: and actually it's felt better. Yeah, totally agree. You know, 439 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: I keep running, can run in the neighborhood without an issue. 440 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: So certainly people who've been going to the gym might 441 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: want to look into running or walking or things like that. 442 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of fitness and online workout because 443 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: I decided this was a great time to dive back 444 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: into Beach Body with a vengeance, mostly because it was like, Oh, 445 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: I like the idea that like, I don't know, like 446 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: there's something specific every day and I can have control 447 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: over that and feel like I'm like completing something. I mean, 448 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: a running plan would have worked too, but I sort 449 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: of got tired. I needed a running break, so I'm 450 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: doing that again. Yeah. Well, you know, it depends what 451 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: people are motivated for her, But most of the major 452 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: races have been canceled for the next month or so, 453 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: so if you were if you were aiming for that, 454 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: then maybe that's kind of demotivational to choose something else. 455 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: Michael was planning to run a half marathon in early 456 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: April that has now been canceled, so that's it. I 457 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: guess he still got his ten miler in last weekend. 458 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: So you can always do your own own ten miler. Yeah, yeah, 459 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: your own half marats a run outside, so you can 460 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: just turn your watch on and make it virtual. That's true, 461 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: you could do that, which, honestly, I mean, I've I 462 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: got so you know, frustrated with like big crowds at 463 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: races at some point that I hadn't been doing that many, 464 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: but this year I signed up for a bunch. So 465 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: there you go. There's the planner in May getting squashed again. 466 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: We'll see. They may still happen, like the fall could 467 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: be this it's turned out to be a good time 468 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: that I wasn't looking for conference speaking opportunities anyway because 469 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: of the newborn. I was sort of taking a maternity 470 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: leave from that. But now that's going to be extended. 471 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: I've started getting people who were looking for stuff in 472 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: May canceling things, and to think about how good of 473 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: a video chatter you are. You're a perfect webinar Speaker's true. 474 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: I can pivot my about remote work, you can talk 475 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: about efficient you know, working from home, all that kind 476 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. So you know, maybe you'll have just as 477 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: much demand in a different, more comfortable for much more 478 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: comfortable format. Oh my goodness. But yeah, no, I start 479 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: building the webinar business. And then it could also be 480 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: that a lot of the stuff that gets canceled will 481 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: happen in the fall, in which case it'll be just 482 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: a very busy fall. And that's definitely, definitely, definitely someday, someday, 483 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: things will change because eventually everyone's going to be immune 484 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: to this, I think. So the develop a vaccine and 485 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: all that. Yes, the vaccine technology is pretty you know, 486 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: there's a process. I mean, so they're working on it. 487 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: I know they're going on it. They're working hard. And 488 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: all the good things we're doing to isolate ourselves now 489 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: will buy people time, which is what the what the 490 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: point is. Uh So, so yeah, if you know, we'll 491 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: we'll keep talking about this. You know, please send in 492 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: your own remote work tips and strategies. Yeah, maybe that 493 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: can be our topic next week. If you're people remotely, 494 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: how you've done that in the past and how can 495 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: do that now. We've had some guests in the past 496 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: talk about how they manage remote teams. Certainly the idea 497 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: of managing by task rather than time is getting new converts, 498 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: which is also a silver lining and all this. But yeah, no, 499 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: we just wanted to do an episode to up date 500 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: people on things, to talk about this issue, to know 501 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: that just because our every Tuesday episodes don't seem to 502 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: acknowledge what's going on, it's not because we are sticking 503 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: our heads in the sand. But we are still thinking 504 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: about these issues and thinking about everyone and hoping you 505 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: are all staying safe and healthy. Yes, and our hearts 506 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: also go out to anyone who's really struggling from a 507 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, work perspective, because this has to be hard, 508 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: in very in certain sectors. But hopefully your communities will 509 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, support you and your business will be back 510 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: with a vengeance and a half when this engineer let's 511 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: hope for all that all right, Well, this has been 512 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: best of Both Worlds our bonus episode, and we'll be 513 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: back with other bonus episodes in the near future. Thanks 514 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoebox 515 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and 516 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 517 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: This has been the best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please 518 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 519 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: life work together.