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Speaker 1: All right, we are back here Showtime Championship Boxing Official

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Speaker 1: way ins for Garcia and Red Catch just happened behind us,

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Speaker 1: everyone made weight. Welcome everyone, Luke Thomas, Pauli Malanaji, Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start now we have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of time to lay into these fights a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Paully.

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Speaker 1: Our main event, Garcia, a man you faced, taking on

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Speaker 1: Ivan Red Catch. Let's start with an overarching question. What

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Speaker 1: is the biggest question center around this fight?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think people are wondering if this is

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Speaker 3: just a tune on for Danny, how he's gonna look

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Speaker 3: and whatnot. But I really think I like the attitude

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Speaker 3: of Red Catch. Red catches. Seems he's always a guy

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Speaker 3: that comes to fight, no matter what way class he's

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Speaker 3: fort He's always been a guy who's looking to change punches,

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Speaker 3: throw down and fight. So I don't know if this

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Speaker 3: is gonna basically be a Kamakazi mission against the guy

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Speaker 3: like Garcia who's looking for you to come in crazy,

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Speaker 3: because he is Garcia. What he does best is he

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Speaker 3: punches with you and catches you while he's while you're

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Speaker 3: coming in. But I do think that the combination of

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Speaker 3: the two styles makes for an exciting fight. I do

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Speaker 3: think that red catch is unintimidated by Garcia's revucation. I

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Speaker 3: think he's unintimidated by the whole fact of this whole

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Speaker 3: situation here, and he knows this is his big chance.

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Speaker 3: And I think he's gonna come to fight. And Garcia

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Speaker 3: is always focused. He's never an unfocused fighter, no matter

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Speaker 3: who the opponent is. So I do think that the

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Speaker 3: combination of the two styles will make for an exciting fight.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be compossible. You're gonna see action here because

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Speaker 2: that's what Ivan Redcotch does. You gotta knock him out

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Speaker 2: to beat him, to finish him. We remember his war

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Speaker 2: with John Lena Junior two years ago, a Fight of

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Speaker 2: the Year contender. And when Ivan Redcotch made the move

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Speaker 2: from one to one forty seven last year, he told

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Speaker 2: me I only did it for the money. They called me,

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Speaker 2: they said, do you want Devin Alexander. Well, he walked

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Speaker 2: in there, knocked him down three times, knocked him out

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Speaker 2: face first, down to the canvas. He likes what this

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Speaker 2: weight class does to his body. He heard him mental

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Speaker 2: up there. He's only focused on being the best he

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Speaker 2: can be. Danny Garcia had a strip down to make

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Speaker 2: this weight class. Look, Garcia is definitely the rightful favorite here,

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Speaker 2: and talking to his camp, they said, well, we don't

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Speaker 2: struggle to make the way we sacrificed to make it.

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Speaker 2: But as much as Danny Garcia is the rightful favorite,

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Speaker 2: Redcotch is going to make it a war and that's

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Speaker 2: the only way to go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I keep in mind, I mean he was

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Speaker 3: thoroughly out boxed by Kevin Farmer. If you wait classes,

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Speaker 3: this is very good. This is not the same style though,

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Speaker 3: Tevin Farmer is not only very good, it's a different class.

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Speaker 3: It's a different style of matchup as well. Garcia is

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Speaker 3: a more flat footed guy. He's more He's a guy

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Speaker 3: who's more apt to throw that kind of power. So

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Speaker 3: great Tech will come in throwing his big shots, but

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Speaker 3: Garcia is gonna have opportunities to throw his own big shots,

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Speaker 3: which is what he likes to do.

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Speaker 1: Let me circle back to you if I can, Paulie,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about him moving up in wait, he had

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Speaker 1: to win over Alexander, which was really nice. I guess

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Speaker 1: what I'm wondering is when you move up and wait,

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Speaker 1: what are all the benefits that can be conferred extra

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Speaker 1: power punching. Does it make you also better at taking punches?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it makes you better taking punches

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Speaker 3: because you're gonna be taking shots from bigger guys. So

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Speaker 3: I don't know where that whole thing came from. Probably

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Speaker 3: when guys were I hate to say, doping, and then

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Speaker 3: they're taking better shots. But you don't take better shots

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Speaker 3: when you go up and wait and go up, get

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Speaker 3: get get hit by bigger guys. But what you do

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Speaker 3: have is les less wait strouggles. So maybe you have

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Speaker 3: a more energetic style to you. I will give you

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Speaker 3: that you'll so you'll be able to maybe have a

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Speaker 3: higher punch output. Uh and and maybe have better legs.

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Speaker 3: And also just mentally you're not stressed. When you're not

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Speaker 3: stressed about the making the weight, you're gonna come in

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Speaker 2: And as much as it's great, Luke just starting to interrupt you,

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Speaker 2: that we can say, I love Redcotch your style. I

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Speaker 2: love his attitude. I love that he feels he's being

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Speaker 2: is as you mentioned with Danny Garcia's counterpunching is for

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Speaker 2: him to win this fight, men, he Redcutch kind of

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Speaker 2: of what Danny Garcia does. Good a plus chin, great counterpuncher,

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Speaker 2: maybe the biggest puncher in the welterweight division. So that

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Speaker 2: But there is going to be constant danger for Red.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what makes it exciting too. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're running along the same point. Yes, Garcie's a CounterPunch,

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Speaker 3: but he's a gawn of punch in a much different

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Speaker 3: style than most counterpunchers, and most count of punchers are

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Speaker 3: on the back foot Garcia. Garcia is almost a weird

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Speaker 3: kind of counter puncher. He holds his ground and just

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Speaker 3: even looking. He'll just kind of bend this chance because

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Speaker 3: what he's looking at is for your commitment, and he's

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Speaker 3: Half the time, you know, because he's just confident that

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Speaker 3: if he punches with you, he's gonna have your full commitment,

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Speaker 3: and that means he's all the power he can lay

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Speaker 3: Red catch fully committing, right, Garcia looking for that kind

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Speaker 3: with Red catching shots. I think for however long unless

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Speaker 3: it's a good fight.

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Speaker 1: Now, the interesting part about this, of course, and why

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Speaker 1: Garcia took this fight, is for one reason in activity.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: The guy has, I point this out, has not had

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Speaker 1: a back to back win since twenty sixteen, had I

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Speaker 1: think one fight the Granados fight, which you look great

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Speaker 4: Paully.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I make of the inactivity. He

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Speaker 1: had thirty three fights before he's lost. He's thirty one

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Speaker 1: years old, he's a veteran. None of this is new

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Speaker 1: to him. How much does the time off benefit him

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Speaker 1: by not being overly damaged through camps and fighting, and

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Speaker 1: how much of it is a little bit of rust

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Speaker 3: You know, he's the kind of guy who stays in

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Speaker 3: I do think you preserve yourself a little bit better

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Speaker 3: He's faced a lot of big names. I mean, Garcia

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Speaker 3: was already fighting guys like that. So he's put a

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Speaker 3: very tough schedule, I think, contrary to what many people

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Speaker 3: believe if you followed his whole career thoroughly, so I

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Speaker 3: put Cherry's on his Instagram as well. Yeah, exactly so.

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Speaker 3: But but I will say that, but I will say

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Speaker 3: that I think a little bit of preservation is good.

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Speaker 3: He's he's lost two times in the last few years,

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Speaker 3: but change a couple of rounds here and there, and

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Speaker 3: the guy's undefeated.

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't like he was fighting chumps either, No,

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Speaker 3: Donally was even not fighting chumps. But like I said,

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Speaker 3: you change a round or two here and there, and

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Speaker 3: this guy's undefeated right now, we're talking about him in

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Speaker 3: a level of greatness, which I still think he's a

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Speaker 3: great fighter, but I think he gets underrated in that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Mentality is gonna be so key in this fight right

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Speaker 2: already identified the mentality for Redcotches. Nobody me, I'm coming

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Speaker 2: about this for Dandy Garcia? Though we're going through a

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Speaker 2: renaissance welterweight era. But when you talk about the biggest

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Speaker 2: names right you're here in Spence, Pacquiao, Porter Crawford. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: Danny Garcia's name falls out of that conversation when it shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Some of that is the inactivity. He thought he was

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Speaker 2: getting Thurman last year, he thought he was getting he.

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Speaker 4: Thought he was getting Spenced today, so he.

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Speaker 2: Thought he was getting a pack Mikey Garcia last fall

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Speaker 2: as well. This is his opportunity right here to certainly

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Speaker 2: know who could be out there for him when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about the names like Spence in Pacquio. But it's

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Speaker 2: no secret why Redcotch is a south paw and it's

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Speaker 2: the perfect sort of lead up opportunity for him. But

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Speaker 2: back to magnitude in you know, the mental state. I

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Speaker 2: think Danny Garcia has just much motivation to remind you

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Speaker 2: exactly who he is, a guy who's that close to

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Speaker 2: being undefeated and like I said, in my opinion, the

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Speaker 2: biggest puncher in this division.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, also timing confidence that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: They're both coming off very good performance. They say what

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Speaker 3: you will about the Garnado's fight. Garnado's always a guy

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Speaker 3: who's talked a little good against whether you win or

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Speaker 3: been robbed a lot of times too. Garcia thoroughly beat

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Speaker 3: to be Adrian Garnados in that way. So he's coming

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Speaker 3: that win over Devin Alexander, ex world champion, probably the

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Speaker 1: Say what I like about the pole something if you agree,

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Speaker 1: and I'll say what I like and dislike. I like

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Speaker 1: the fact that he does not have to take this

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Speaker 1: fight in Danny Garcia, he doesn't really need it, so

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Speaker 1: to speak. It's probably beneficial to him in certain ways,

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Speaker 1: but I like that he's getting out there, giving an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to, like I say, a lesser guy as a person,

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Speaker 1: but as a boxer. I think it's probably a fair statement.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'm just not clear about. Okay, I want

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Speaker 1: to fight a South Paul because I might have to

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Speaker 1: fight Pacia or some other South Paul down the line.

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Speaker 1: What kind of benefit is do you really get from

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Speaker 3: Oh, I just think you're just starting to I think

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Speaker 3: it's not so much as the opponent, but also the

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Speaker 3: training camp. You know, you're starting to see South Pois.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're starting to prepare for South Pois. If

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes that we don't know behind the scenes,

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Speaker 3: if there's the pack yat conversation is happening behind the scenes,

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Speaker 3: If that is happening behind the scenes, it's not just

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Speaker 3: about Red Catch Team Garcia's and I'm not no disrespect

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Speaker 3: to Red Catch, but this has been the conversation the

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Speaker 3: whole time. Team Garcia is kind of looking at pak

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Speaker 3: Yo taking the right catch up a fight as an

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Speaker 2: And another fair point is Dandy Garcia doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Garcia's known strengths and known weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the strength the left hook, how is

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to talk to you about the weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: You and I spoke about this again. Credit to Garcia

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Speaker 1: He has bad footwork, but against guys who have really

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Speaker 2: I think that's I've in Redcotch's problem. If there's a

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Speaker 2: They were able to expose maybe I don't want to

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Speaker 2: You had some moments against DSG as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was a little bit moment, I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what. Also, Ashley Deafane had a good fight against

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Speaker 2: Have to figure out Luke ultimately, does Ivan Rodcats have

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Speaker 4: Now, That's the other part I was bringing up earlier.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I get your point well taken about the

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Speaker 1: making that fight after this one, he absolutely is a mover, right,

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Speaker 1: He absolutely cuts angles.

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Speaker 5: He works a lot in a way that Redcats just

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Speaker 5: never would. Yeah, what is he forty two one? Great

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Speaker 5: legs for the forty one year olds Paul, Yeah, to

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Speaker 3: Great legs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, last thing you fought Danny Garcia, What did you

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: I always I had a.

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Speaker 3: Recognizance of the fact that he looks to punch with you.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was very important for me to know.

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Speaker 3: So I was trying to when I was finding you

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Speaker 3: it didn't work out. Danny's also a a smart fighter.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't get credit for the intelligence in the ring.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's mentally strong and that it's hard to

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Speaker 3: he's got a great chance.

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Speaker 2: We already know that.

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Speaker 3: But also he starts to I remember there was certain

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Speaker 3: the head shots too, but just different things. He's a

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Speaker 3: much more intelligent fighter than people give him credit for.

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Speaker 3: And and he closes the gap in that way and

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Speaker 3: the old subtle ways. And when he closed the gap

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Speaker 1: Interesting, now, you also mentioned something I want to pick

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of a golden era for welterweights, right

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Speaker 1: and then what's interesting about it? And Tim, if you

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Speaker 4: The division's full of guys like that right now. It

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Speaker 2: It does look everyone's fighting for that opportunity, and Danny

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Speaker 2: Garcia has been through this before. You remember that twenty

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Speaker 2: thirteen upset of Lucas Matissa that Paully mentioned that was

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Speaker 2: It didn't know blantly happen by Donna upset Broner. Floyd

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Speaker 2: the names available to Danny Garcia if he gets a

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Speaker 2: I want to mind going off to fifty four and

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Speaker 1: Lu all right, let's go down to our co main event.

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Speaker 1: It is a junior middleweight. Although you saw from Jimmy

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys felt. He looked way

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jared Hurd's whole style has always been when

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Speaker 1: What kind of a fighter is Jared Hurd when he's

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Speaker 3: He's a guy who mentally emphasically breaks you. You know,

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Speaker 3: That comes to mind the ARISLONDI Laara fight. Well, Larra started, well,

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the stock I mentioned, you know, the

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Speaker 1: He goes and takes on Jay Rock at the Eagle

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, it's not just the new trainer

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Speaker 2: Well, the loss of Jay Rock certainly humbled him. He'd

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Speaker 2: you always have to be eating punches just because you can.

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Speaker 2: That's a scary proposition in this one hundred and fifty

433
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Speaker 2: four pounds division, which is exciting, it's been flipped upside

434
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Speaker 2: down by a number of upsets, from Harrison beating Charlow

435
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Speaker 2: through Jason Rosario just last week. This is going to

436
00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,159
Speaker 2: be interesting if Jarrett heard and be the same guy

437
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,120
Speaker 2: he already was in those two fights in the year Contenders.

438
00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,600
Speaker 2: But to add those kind of wrinkles, he says, all

439
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Speaker 2: those rumors boy him going to Middleway, that was never true,

440
00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,680
Speaker 2: that was never him. He still makes fifty four easy. Paul,

441
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Speaker 2: I don't know how a truck that big makes fifty four.

442
00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,000
Speaker 2: But if he's making it easy, and he's getting better

443
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Speaker 2: defensively and as a boxer, we could really be talking

444
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Speaker 2: about the guy who'd be the face of this division.

445
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Speaker 1: When all of a sudden done interestingly here, PAULI, when

446
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Speaker 1: when fighters make resets, when can you tell that the

447
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Speaker 1: reset was good? And when can you be like, oh,

448
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Speaker 1: I don't know about that reset? Is it only visible

449
00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,680
Speaker 1: once they fight? Are there other signs you can look

450
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Speaker 1: to to say, I like the way that they're thinking

451
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Speaker 1: about going in a different direction.

452
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to say the way that thinking

453
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Speaker 3: because you're always gonna brainwash yourself, and they're thinking you

454
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Speaker 3: made a positive impact and positive move when things change.

455
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Speaker 3: So for me, it comes down to what's in the ring,

456
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Speaker 3: and sometimes it's not even comes down it doesn't even

457
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Speaker 3: come down to what's in the ring the first time,

458
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Speaker 3: you know, Like sometimes it just you know, when especially

459
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Speaker 3: when you change your team, it takes a fighter too

460
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Speaker 3: to kind of get that uh camaraderie, get that chemistry

461
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Speaker 3: together you and and and have it work in the

462
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Speaker 3: right way. So saying the right things, you're always gonna

463
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Speaker 3: say the right things, especially on fight week. Fighters, you know,

464
00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 3: we brainwash ourselves. You know, even if things aren't haven't

465
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Speaker 3: gone well in camp on fight week, they've gone well

466
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Speaker 3: in camp, you know, So so you know still.

467
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Speaker 1: But I guess the question is he had the two

468
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Speaker 1: potential fight of the years, the Laura fight and then

469
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Speaker 1: of course the Jay Rock fight again, a very difficult fight,

470
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Speaker 1: one that he lost. He had the falling out with

471
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Speaker 1: his trainer. It did seem like a reset was needed.

472
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Speaker 1: Now maybe this particular choice of new trainer was we

473
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Speaker 1: can debate about whether or not it's.

474
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Speaker 2: Good after they bro don't stop there on the reset.

475
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Speaker 2: He cut off the blonde locks and parents' house. Man

476
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Speaker 2: is man, It looks sometimes maybe a change was needed.

477
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Speaker 3: Sometimes psychologically you have that too, you would you're looking

478
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Speaker 3: to kind of change a lot of things up. Just

479
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Speaker 3: kind of maybe turn the page over and tell yourself, Okay,

480
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Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not done. I'm just turning the page,

481
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Speaker 3: you know. As so you just kind of create a

482
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Speaker 3: new image for yourself.

483
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Speaker 4: I did that too.

484
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Speaker 3: I got off the Spikes after I've lost to Miguel Coodo.

485
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Speaker 3: Had had the Spike hare for like four or five years,

486
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Speaker 3: the old Jersey show head cut.

487
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Speaker 2: You know. But but you know, thiss Man, I love

488
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Speaker 2: this guy right so magic so so uh.

489
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Speaker 3: You know, with Jared doing things like that, you know,

490
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Speaker 3: maybe psychologically for him it's his way of expressing to

491
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Speaker 3: himself and also expressing to the people that you know what,

492
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Speaker 3: this is a change in me. But I'm just turning

493
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Speaker 3: the page. It's not a change to where I'm done.

494
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Speaker 3: It's a change of me just turning the page, and

495
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Speaker 3: I intend to go full steam ahead.

496
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Speaker 1: When you made the change of the haircut, did you

497
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Speaker 1: feel like a new man? I won the world world title?

498
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Speaker 4: I mean, what.

499
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Speaker 2: Chance?

500
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Speaker 3: Well, then I know this fight's had a goal for.

501
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Speaker 4: Me to win the world title. All right, maybe you

502
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Speaker 4: would have done it sooner.

503
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Speaker 1: And then we talked about Francisco Santana, Brian, he does

504
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Speaker 1: have a winner Felix ideas, right, yeah, pick ups all right,

505
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Speaker 1: So he's got a moment there or two where he

506
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Speaker 1: has looked pretty good. Still, let's be clear, I think

507
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Speaker 1: Hurt is the deserved favorite here absolutely, and in theory.

508
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Speaker 2: This is what I mentioned off the start, a welterweight

509
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Speaker 2: moving up to that division, not only do one fifty four.

510
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Speaker 2: Jared Hurt sort of fight and lobbied and won the

511
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Speaker 2: idea of this being a one hundred and fifty six

512
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Speaker 2: pounds catchweight. But Santana comes at him, he comes to fight,

513
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Speaker 2: and he's so has the perfect mentality coming in here.

514
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Speaker 2: He knows how big of an upset of an underdog

515
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Speaker 2: he is. He knows what's at stake for him with

516
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Speaker 2: a win in two divisions. If he can get it,

517
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Speaker 2: he's just gonna try to be that guy sleeping underneath.

518
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Speaker 2: He's got some of the same problems Redcotch has in

519
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Speaker 2: that if he follows his natural instincts and tries to

520
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Speaker 2: turn this into a war, he could end up in

521
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Speaker 2: some kind of trouble. He's going to have to be

522
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Speaker 2: really smart getting in and out. His team told us

523
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Speaker 2: this morning it'll come down to that jab. If he

524
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Speaker 2: is able to succeed with that jab, control distance, control timing,

525
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Speaker 2: and do all those things and keep Jarrett Hurd off.

526
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Speaker 2: It's a big ask, though, but this is going to

527
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Speaker 2: be interesting for a guy who, as I mentioned, to

528
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Speaker 2: be Payton the curbs by day, trying to get himself

529
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Speaker 2: into the title picture by night here at the Barclays

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Speaker 2: and Center.

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Speaker 1: He certainly has a bit of an uphill task, but

532
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Speaker 1: he seems game for it. And as I mentioned, it

533
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Speaker 1: is a Showtime triple header starting tomorrow right here at

534
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Speaker 1: the Barclay Center nine pm. The opening fight. I have

535
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Speaker 1: to tell you, I keep mentioning as a triple header,

536
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Speaker 1: not because there are just three fights. Showtime is putting

537
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Speaker 1: on the opening fight, and it's a matter of your

538
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Speaker 1: mileage may vary. It might be the best of them.

539
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Speaker 1: Super bantaway contest one hundred twenty two pounds. We just

540
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Speaker 1: saw him make it. Two Philly fighters, kind of right,

541
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Speaker 1: arnold hood guy from Ukraine, excuse me, has relocated to Philly,

542
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Speaker 1: LA now he made his box wreck was wrong. Let's

543
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Speaker 1: be honest, right, But if you look at if you

544
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Speaker 1: look at when who fought in Philly last, it's actually

545
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Speaker 1: gentleman fro Yes from Ukraine, which is also kind of funny,

546
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Speaker 1: but okay, neither here nor there, of course, the sort

547
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Speaker 1: of the whiz kid Stephen Fulton. By the way people

548
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Speaker 1: talk about Philly fighters and it can be somebody who's

549
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Speaker 1: a brawler, somebody who's slick, somebody who's crafty, somebody who's

550
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Speaker 1: a power puncher. It's Philly fighter has at this point,

551
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Speaker 1: because it's so misused, become this all encompassing term. When

552
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Speaker 1: I ask Pauli mal Naji what a Philly fighter is,

553
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Speaker 1: what does it traditionally mean?

554
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Speaker 3: You know, I just think of a gratty guys guy

555
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Speaker 3: Jim Wars I think of when I think of Philly boxing.

556
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Speaker 3: JA be honest, Yeah, yeah, obviously courageous fighters, but skilled fighters,

557
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Speaker 3: skilled fighters who don't run. That's kind of how I

558
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Speaker 3: look at it. Like skill fighters who know how to fight,

559
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Speaker 3: know how to even give you a war, but also

560
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Speaker 3: know how to come forward without making it an all

561
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Speaker 3: out war. They know how to just pummel you if

562
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Speaker 3: you're not of their level, you know, And if you

563
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 3: are of their level, they're all They're not gonna run

564
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Speaker 3: from you. They're gonna, you know, get in there and

565
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Speaker 3: duke it out too, you know. So we ask the mentality,

566
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Speaker 3: We ask.

567
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Speaker 2: Cool boy Steph to define it for himself what a

568
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Speaker 2: what a Philly fighter means. He says, it's more about

569
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Speaker 2: the mindset. It's more about that intensity and knowing what

570
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Speaker 2: he needs to do, because look, this guy's a boxer.

571
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Speaker 2: He can be very technical. And he said to us,

572
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Speaker 2: you know, boxing smart is boxing easy. But he can't

573
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Speaker 2: get dirty if he needs to. And that's the key.

574
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Speaker 2: And you better believe, Luke Thomas that arnold hey guy

575
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Speaker 2: is going to try to make this a dirty fighter.

576
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Speaker 4: I was about to say, this looks to me like

577
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Speaker 4: maybe my characterization is wrong.

578
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Speaker 1: What if you guys think it looks to me like

579
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Speaker 1: a classic boxer punch or matchup now, which isn't to

580
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Speaker 1: say that that guy can't box a little bit, neither

581
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Speaker 1: that Fulton can't punch. I think it's a little bit

582
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Speaker 1: of both. But if I have this sort of a

583
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Speaker 1: sign rolls there, that's the way I would do it.

584
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Speaker 1: Is that the way you see this fight.

585
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Speaker 3: Kind of sort of yeah, you know, I just think

586
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Speaker 3: that the entire night in general has underdogs that show

587
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Speaker 3: up to fight. You know, these guys show up to

588
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Speaker 3: fight and they have opponents who look to win without

589
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Speaker 3: making the night quote unquote boring. You know, so you

590
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Speaker 3: could see some good clashes. Doesn't mean you're going to

591
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Speaker 3: see upstates. You may or may not see the upset,

592
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Speaker 3: but I do see the styles meshing together for some

593
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Speaker 3: fun fight.

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Speaker 1: That's just one thing for me to make it fast,

595
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Speaker 1: because they're they're literally taking apart the set.

596
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Speaker 2: Donerald hey guy first fight with his new trainer Marvin

597
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Speaker 2: Simodio at the Wildcard Gym of Freddie, writes Freddie Roach's disciple.

598
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Speaker 2: They said that this new marriage kind of gives off

599
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Speaker 2: the feels of when Freddy and Manny first got together.

600
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, hey Guy, is Manny Pacquiao but watch for

601
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Speaker 2: this marriage here.

602
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of passions. I'll throw a right back

603
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Speaker 1: to you, Brian Campbell. We are going to be hosting

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Speaker 1: this desk for the prelim stream, which starts at seven

605
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Speaker 1: pm on YouTube very quickly. What can folks expect from

606
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Speaker 1: some of the fights that are going to be on

607
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Speaker 1: the undercard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Louke Thomas brought the DMV with him. When

609
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Speaker 2: you talk about three bright prospects that we need to

610
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Speaker 2: get to know, Patrick Harris, Keyshawn Williams and of course

611
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Speaker 2: Lorenzo Truck. Simpson. Truck kind of sounds like Tank, right.

612
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Speaker 2: They come from the same aria in Baltimore, same trainer

613
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Speaker 2: of course in calvin Ford.

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Speaker 3: But it was Tank was already taken, so he took

615
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Speaker 3: Truck there.

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Speaker 4: It is right there.

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Speaker 2: Truck is the youngest though, and he was very honest.

618
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Speaker 2: He says, Look, I've learned from the good and bad.

619
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Speaker 2: We've all seen this camp from from Gervante for years.

620
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Speaker 2: You look at Patrick Harris, Loup okay, a guy, the

621
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Speaker 2: nephew of the boxing brothers Lama and Anthony Peterson. He's

622
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Speaker 2: gonna be a fun fighter. Watch one hundred and forty

623
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Speaker 2: pounds he's going in there against one of your brethren,

624
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Speaker 2: a former marine. Oh, third degree burns, so buckle up

625
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Speaker 2: for that one.

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Speaker 1: I do like that nickname. It's a bit cheesy, but

627
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It kind of speaks to me and

628
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Speaker 1: the headbangers gyms are you know? You know this as

629
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Speaker 1: well as I do. Sort of like the institution in

630
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Speaker 1: DC for Garry Hunter in the house. Yeah, they're going

631
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Speaker 1: to be here, so that should be sure. That will

632
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Speaker 1: start at seven pm. Obviously on Showtime's YouTube channel will

633
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Speaker 1: be streaming at live three fights for you, Steve Farhood

634
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Speaker 1: on the Carl Ray Flores as well. Brian and I

635
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Speaker 1: will be down there and of course you can catch

636
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Speaker 1: this man Paully Mallanauji for the rest of the crew

637
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Speaker 1: over for the Championship Boxing addition, which starts at nine

638
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Speaker 1: pm on Showtime. All right, final thoughts here, any boys

639
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Speaker 1: you fought in this arena? It is historic. It's a

640
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Speaker 1: fun night ahead of us on Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

642
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, I just think stylistically, you have

643
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Speaker 3: a lot of fun fights here and.

644
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Speaker 2: There's something magical that happens when you put the welterweight

645
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Speaker 2: division of the Barclay Center together. What have been the

646
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Speaker 2: best fights at one seven in recent years. You're talking

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Speaker 2: about Thurmon Porter, You're talking about Garcia, Thurmon, Garcia Porter,

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Speaker 2: all everyone against each other, Hey, Paul and zeb Jude.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was a box festival anyway, Expect action, expect

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Speaker 2: vio and.

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Speaker 4: Of course exactly true. And then and then, of course,

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Speaker 4: I don't forget.

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Speaker 1: It's about the wild upsets that happened at junior middleweight

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Speaker 1: seemingly all the time. Now, all right, well, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys so much for joining us. Don't forget seven pm

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Speaker 1: on the YouTube stream for the preliminary card action and

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Speaker 1: then we show Time Championship Boxing triple Header kicks off

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Speaker 1: nine pm East Coast time on Showtime for Brian Campbell

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Speaker 1: for Polymelonaji Volume Malonachi. Excuse me, bets on Hurst Royalty.

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Speaker 1: I am Luke Thomas. Until next time, Enjoy the fights