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Speaker 1: in that case. And with that, welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ Robes This and several cases that

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Speaker 1: we're following, but this was one. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I don't think it's an exaggeration at all

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Speaker 2: to say at least weekly, but sometimes even daily, we

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Speaker 2: case and several others, because there are some high profile

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Speaker 1: And it's one of a number of cases that have

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Speaker 1: that have not like, don't just say solved, but they

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Speaker 1: that cruise ship, Travis Turner still missing, a coach wanted

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Speaker 1: If people don't know the singer. It's spelled D the

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Speaker 1: it's written with a four there. But his name it

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Speaker 2: No, your twelve year old daughter, Sabine was familiar with

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Speaker 2: him because he is somebody who came up through TikTok,

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Speaker 2: through social media. He actually started composing his own music

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Speaker 2: But a young artist, a merging artist who was on

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Speaker 3: He had just set off on this world tour.

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Speaker 2: His professional career was skyrocketing when this happened.

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Speaker 1: So young. Twenty is so young, And didn't you tell me?

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Speaker 2: And if you hadn't known him before the scandal or

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Speaker 2: the controversy, I haven't hate to call it that because

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Speaker 2: Her body was found the day after she turned fifteen,

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Speaker 2: So obviously who knows what he knew about her actual age.

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Speaker 2: But this is just a tragic story with a young

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Speaker 1: She was troubled and clearly had a troubled home life.

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Speaker 1: She had been missing what year year and a half

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Speaker 1: But what happens to a fourteen year old thirteen year

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Speaker 1: We don't know at this point where David is having

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Speaker 2: So, yes, it was in September, and so again the

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Speaker 2: So that took two plus months for them to even

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Speaker 1: Look clear out there in LA that this is one

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Speaker 2: They haven't spoken out very much. Initially, her mother did.

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Speaker 3: The LAPD has been tight lipped.

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Speaker 2: But it's interesting because we heard at the end of

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Speaker 2: LAPD to place a security hold on any information that

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Speaker 2: He said, no records or details associated with the case,

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Speaker 2: The department understands the public interest in this case and

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Speaker 2: remains committed to transparency when possible. But then he went

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Speaker 2: I've worked on eradicating the practice of placing security holds

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Speaker 3: In the linggal system. So he actually made that statement.

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Speaker 2: He was puzzled and frustrated that he has a security

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Speaker 1: Look, I deferred of police. We've seen this and a

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, obviously if it is going to make

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Speaker 3: And if you let it all out then it can

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Speaker 2: But it was interesting to see this particular medical examiner

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Speaker 3: But you know, people have different opinions.

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Speaker 1: Somebody will probably take issue with that, and what's really

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Speaker 2: We know that they acknowledged that David and Revas were

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Speaker 1: Was what the police were the ones acknowledging some type

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Speaker 3: They confirmed it.

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Speaker 2: They confirmed it to several news outlets who were constantly

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Speaker 2: But truly there is a vacuum of information, and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: We are going over all that we know right now

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Speaker 3: That's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Because initially in September we heard from his management company

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Speaker 1: And that's what his lawyers should tell him to do

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned his lawyer, and a lot of people

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Speaker 3: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: You know, I heard of my boys sometimes Chris Rock.

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Speaker 1: And at them all, I mean, it doesn't matter, said

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Speaker 1: What do you do? I mean, you could argue an

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Speaker 2: Exactly the other problem he has when it comes to

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Speaker 2: He kept singing, he kept going up on stage. Wasn't

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Speaker 1: I just it all looks bad, That's what. That's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we it all looks awful. His behavior, every

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Speaker 1: It just reads completely wrong. This is not supposed to

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Speaker 2: Yes, and police have also said that they believe Riva

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Speaker 3: This, But how do you prove how she died? How

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Speaker 2: It's a major issue, and if you don't have a

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Speaker 1: This is one we're keeping an eye on, we have

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty twenty five. Hopefully we'll have some answers

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. And with that everyone, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for listening to us. I'm Amy Roboch alongside TJ. Holmes.

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