WEBVTT - SYMHC Classics: Paul Cuffe

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Cuffey was born January seventeenth, seventeen fifty nine, or

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and sixty seven years ago today, on the

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<v Speaker 2>day this episode is coming out. Our episode about him

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<v Speaker 2>came out on February twelfth, twenty twenty, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>today's Saturday Classic Enjoy Welcome to Stuff You Missed in

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<v Speaker 2>History Class a production of iHeartRadio. Hello, and Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast. I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm Holly Frye.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's topic was suggested by a friend of mine who

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<v Speaker 2>was raised Quaker and who grew up attending meetings at

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<v Speaker 2>the same meetinghouse that today's subject helped rebuild in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen teens. A subject is Paul Cuffey. Sometimes you will

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<v Speaker 2>see his name spelled with two e's at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of Cuffee, and sometimes with just one. I had never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of Paul Cuffey before this conversation, and when my

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<v Speaker 2>friends told me about him, I sort of took a

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<v Speaker 2>cursory look at things. I was like, Oh, yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>does seem pretty interesting. Months later, after finally moving him

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<v Speaker 2>up to the top of the list and getting into

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<v Speaker 2>actual research, I became so fascinated that I took a

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<v Speaker 2>field trip to New Bedford, Massachusetts, where there is an

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<v Speaker 2>exhibit on him at the New Bedford Whaling Museum and

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<v Speaker 2>the park next to the museum was named in his honor.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not that I needed additional information. I was

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<v Speaker 2>just so intrigued by the whole thing. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go see this exhibit. So we got

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<v Speaker 2>in the car we went.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Paul Coffey was born on January seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen fifty nine, on Cuddy Hunk Island, which is off

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<v Speaker 1>the coast of Massachusetts in Buzzard's Bay. This is on

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<v Speaker 1>the far western end of the Elizabeth Islands, which are

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<v Speaker 1>south of New Bedford, Massachusetts, on the mainland and northwest

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<v Speaker 1>of the island of Martha's Vineyard.

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<v Speaker 2>Paul was the sixth child of ten and the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>son born to Kofe Slocum. He was an African man

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<v Speaker 2>what's now Ghana and Ruth Moses, who was Wampanog. Koffe

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<v Speaker 2>is a name used in the Tweed dialect, which is

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<v Speaker 2>spoken by the Akan people for boys born on a Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>So if that was the name that was given to

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<v Speaker 2>him before he was taken from Africa. He was most

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<v Speaker 2>likely from one of the many many subgroups that make

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<v Speaker 2>up the Akan people.

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<v Speaker 1>Kofe Slocum was enslaved and transported to North America when

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<v Speaker 1>he was about ten years old, and in the seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>twenties he was purchased by Ebenezer Slocum, a Quaker from Dartmouth, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not completely clear how Kofe was freed about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years later. Ebenezer sold Kofe to his nephew John

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<v Speaker 1>in seventeen forty two, and according to some accounts, John

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<v Speaker 1>freed Kofe about three years later as the religious Society

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<v Speaker 1>of Friends became more opposed to slavery. But in other

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the story, Kofe was given permission to do

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<v Speaker 1>additional work, and he used the money that he earned

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<v Speaker 1>in that work to purchase his own freedom, regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>On July seventeenth of seventeen forty six, which was a

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<v Speaker 2>year or so after his manumission, Kofe Slocum married Ruth Moses,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was relatively common in this part of New

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<v Speaker 2>England for African men to marry indigenous women because of

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<v Speaker 2>the demographics of slavery in New England, the enslaved and

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<v Speaker 2>free African population usually included more men than women. Conversely,

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<v Speaker 2>Indigenous communities tended to have more adult women than men

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<v Speaker 2>because Indigenous men were more likely to be enslaved or

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<v Speaker 2>imprisoned or forced into indentured servitude. This had been the

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<v Speaker 2>case for decades by the time Kofe and Ruth married.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, after King Philip's War in the late sixteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>the British enslaved roughly one thousand Indigenous men to Bermuda

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<v Speaker 2>and other parts of the Caribbean, while enslaving Indigenous women

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<v Speaker 2>and children and keeping them in New England.

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<v Speaker 1>While the Slocum children had both African and Wampanogu ancestry,

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<v Speaker 1>among the white community, they were usually considered to be Black.

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<v Speaker 1>For their own part, Paul and his siblings referred to

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<v Speaker 1>themselves in a number of ways over their lifetimes, referencing

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<v Speaker 1>both their African and their Indigenous heritage. This included the

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<v Speaker 1>term musty, which was a term used for people of

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<v Speaker 1>multi racial ancestry in coastal Massachusetts. It was most often

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<v Speaker 1>used to describe people who were both African and Indigenous.

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<v Speaker 1>In seventeen sixty one, Kofe Slocum bought one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen acre farm in Dartmouth and the whole family moved there.

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<v Speaker 1>Eleven years later, he died and left the farm to

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<v Speaker 1>Paul and his brother John. It was also around this

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<v Speaker 1>time that most of Kofe's children changed their last name

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<v Speaker 1>from Slocum, which had been the last name of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who had enslaved their father, to Cuffee, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an anglicization of his first name. Paul Cuffey was only

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<v Speaker 1>about thirteen when his father died, and even though he

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<v Speaker 1>and his brother had inherited the farm, their father also

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<v Speaker 1>had left some debts, so it was not really as

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<v Speaker 1>though they suddenly had enough to support the whole family.

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<v Speaker 1>The children also hadn't had access to any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>formal education on Cuttyhunk Island or in Dartmouth, so Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>with the hope of helping to support his family, decided

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Sea in seventeen seventy three, with his

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<v Speaker 1>brother staying in Dartmouth to manage the farm.

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from jobs that mostly involved manual labor, there were

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of occupations open to people of color

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<v Speaker 2>in New England at this point, but whaling and other

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<v Speaker 2>seafaring work were something of an exception. These were exceptionally

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous industries, which meant that shipowners, captains, and others were

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<v Speaker 2>usually pretty eager to hire anybody who was willing to

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<v Speaker 2>do the work at sea away from society's expectations. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>crews could be more tolerant. Plus, if members of the

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<v Speaker 2>crew could not work together, they put everybody aboard at risk.

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<v Speaker 1>To add to that, the Wampanog people had their own

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<v Speaker 1>maritime traditions that predated the arrival of European colonists in

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<v Speaker 1>New England. This included drift whaling, which is butchering dead

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<v Speaker 1>or dying whales that had washed up on shore, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as fishing with harpoons. In the early seventeen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>as English colonists were establishing a whaling industry in New England,

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<v Speaker 1>Wampanog and other indigenous people provided critical knowledge and labor,

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<v Speaker 1>including teaching English colonists how to butcher and prepare whales.

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous people's involvement in the early whaling industry in New

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<v Speaker 1>England was often at best under coercion. This included things

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<v Speaker 1>like being forced into indentured servitude on whaling ships in

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<v Speaker 1>order to pay off debts. This could even extend to

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<v Speaker 1>the indentured man's children, who were obligated to take on

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<v Speaker 1>his indenture if he was killed at sea or if

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<v Speaker 1>he incurred further debt. So the whaling industry was simultaneously exploitive,

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<v Speaker 1>especially of indigenous and African labor, and also an incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>lucrative industry in which it was possible for Indigenous and

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<v Speaker 1>African men to rise to a higher rank than they

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<v Speaker 1>could in any other line of work. And that is

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<v Speaker 1>what eventually happened to Paul Cuffey.

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<v Speaker 2>In his first voyages, he spent his free time at

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<v Speaker 2>sea teaching himself to read and write and do a rhythmic,

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<v Speaker 2>and he also studied navigation with the more experienced members

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<v Speaker 2>of the crew. Shortly after the Revolutionary War started, a

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<v Speaker 2>ship that Cuffe was on was captured by the British

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<v Speaker 2>and he was imprisoned in New York for three months.

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<v Speaker 2>Once he got out of prison, he went back to

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<v Speaker 2>the family farm for a while, but soon he built

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<v Speaker 2>a small open boat of his own and then started

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<v Speaker 2>using it to run supplies through the British blockade. He

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<v Speaker 2>ran the blockade repeatedly between seventeen seventy seven and seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three, both sides in the Revolutionary War tried to

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<v Speaker 2>recruit black soldiers, and by that point Cuffe was about

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<v Speaker 2>the right age to join up. But he never took

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<v Speaker 2>a side in the war, at least in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>active fighting. What he did do was protest taxation, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get into that after we first have

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<v Speaker 2>a sponsor break. As we've talked about on the show before,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the issues involved in the American Revolution was taxation,

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<v Speaker 2>including taxes that British colonists in North America found to

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<v Speaker 2>be egregious, and the idea that colonists were being taxed

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't have any representation in parliament. And that

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<v Speaker 2>second idea had another application to free black people in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to pay taxes, but they did not have

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<v Speaker 2>the right to vote at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul and John Cuffey were of the opinion that under

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution of Massachusetts, taxation and the rights of citizenship

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<v Speaker 1>were inextricably connected. If they couldn't vote, they were not

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<v Speaker 1>being treated as citizens, so they also should not be taxed.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Cuffey stopped paying taxes in seventeen seventy eight. By

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen eighty he owed more than one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>pounds in back taxes. That year, John and Paul Cuffee

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<v Speaker 1>filed a petition along with three other free black men,

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<v Speaker 1>and it read, in part quote, we being chiefly of

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<v Speaker 1>the African extract, and by reason of long bondage and

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<v Speaker 1>hard slavery, we have been deprived of enjoying the profits

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<v Speaker 1>of our labor, or the advantage of inheriting estates from

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<v Speaker 1>our parents. As our neighbors, the white people do. We

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<v Speaker 1>have been and are now taxed, both in our polls

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<v Speaker 1>and that small pittance of a state which, through much

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<v Speaker 1>hard labor and industry, we have got together to sustain

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves and families with all. The petition went on to

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<v Speaker 1>say that without tax relief, these circumstances would reduce them

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<v Speaker 1>to begging and cause them to be a burden on others,

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<v Speaker 1>before saying quote, we apprehend ourselves to be aggrieved in

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<v Speaker 1>that while we are not allowed the privilege of freemen

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<v Speaker 1>of the state, having no vote or influence in the

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<v Speaker 1>election of those that tax us, Yet many of our color,

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<v Speaker 1>as is well known, have cheerfully entered the field of

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<v Speaker 1>battle in the defense of the common cause.

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<v Speaker 2>Their petition for tax relief was denied and Paul Cuffey

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<v Speaker 2>was briefly jailed. Walter Spooner, who was a member of

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<v Speaker 2>a prominent family in Dartmouth, helped arrange the terms of

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<v Speaker 2>Cuffey's release and a reduction in the amount of tax

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<v Speaker 2>that he owed. So this petition was not immediately successful,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in terms of getting some tax relief for them,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is credited with the black men getting the

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<v Speaker 2>right to vote in Massachusetts under the same terms as

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<v Speaker 2>white men in seventeen eighty three. On February twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen eighty three, Paul Cuffey married an Indigenous woman named

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<v Speaker 2>Alice Abel Peaquit or Peaquot, who had been previously widowed.

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<v Speaker 2>They went on to have several children together. Sources mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>seven or eight, including two sons and four daughters who

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<v Speaker 2>were still living when their father wrote his will. Alice

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<v Speaker 2>is normally described as being Wampinogg. Her late husband had

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<v Speaker 2>been Peaquot. Also in seventeen eighty three, Paul Cuffey established

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<v Speaker 2>a shipping business with his brother in law, Michael Wayner.

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<v Speaker 2>Wayner was Wampinogg and was married to Cuffee's sister Mary

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<v Speaker 2>in seventeen eighty nine. As their business grew, Wayner bought

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<v Speaker 2>some riverfront property and they established a shipyard there. At

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<v Speaker 2>this point, Cuffey was wearing a lot of hats, including

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<v Speaker 2>bill building, ships, trading, and whaling. He eventually started captaining

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<v Speaker 2>his own vessels, and while his first voyages were beset

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<v Speaker 2>by hazards like pirates and shipwrecks, he persevered until he

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<v Speaker 2>started to turn a profit. He also bought a farm

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<v Speaker 2>in Westport, Massachusetts, where he and his family lived, and

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<v Speaker 2>over time he bought other homes and farms elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 2>New England. Over the next decade or so, Paul Cuffey

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<v Speaker 2>became one of the wealthiest people in Westport. He may

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<v Speaker 2>have been the wealthiest person of color anywhere in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States while he was living, and he consistently used

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<v Speaker 2>his wealth to help other people, especially other people of color.

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<v Speaker 2>The captains and crews of his ships were always black

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<v Speaker 2>and indigenous men, and that was actually something that made

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<v Speaker 2>their work even more dangerous because they were trading with

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the world where slavery was still being practiced,

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<v Speaker 2>including the American South In seventeen ninety seven, Cuffey proposed

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<v Speaker 2>the establishment of an integrated school in Westport.

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<v Speaker 1>When the town leadership couldn't come to a consensus about

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<v Speaker 1>it that was probably influenced by racism. Cuffey built the

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<v Speaker 1>school on his own property with his own money, and

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<v Speaker 1>that school opened in seventeen ninety nine, with its students

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<v Speaker 1>including about fifteen children who were part of Cuffee's immedia

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<v Speaker 1>and extended family, as well as any other child who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to attend, regardless of their race. Cuffey also supported

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<v Speaker 1>a smallpox hospital in Westport, and in eighteen hundred he

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<v Speaker 1>bought a gristmill.

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<v Speaker 2>In eighteen oh eight, Cuffey formally joined the religious Society

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<v Speaker 2>of Friends by becoming a member of the Westport Monthly Meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>His family had been connected to Quakers ever since he

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<v Speaker 2>was a child. The Quakers had enslaved his father like

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<v Speaker 2>that's complicated, but like they had been part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Quaker community in a lot of ways. This was the

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<v Speaker 2>first time that he was documented as actually becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>member of a meeting. To be clear, though Quaker meetings

0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.960
<v Speaker 2>had not been integrated when he was a child, The

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia Yearly Meeting was the first to formally allow black

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<v Speaker 2>members in seventeen ninety six. A few years later, after

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<v Speaker 2>joining the meeting, Paul became part of the committee that

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<v Speaker 2>planned and oversaw the construction of the new meeting house. Eventually,

0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.720
<v Speaker 2>he also became the first black person to attend the

0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.240
<v Speaker 2>New England Yearly Meeting. Throughout all of this, Cuffey was

0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.880
<v Speaker 2>still working as a sea captain, traveling all around the Atlantic.

0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Along the way, he made extensive connections among the black, white,

0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and indigenous communities of New England, as well as with

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<v Speaker 2>British abolitionists, and in all of his work he was

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<v Speaker 2>focused on providing jobs, support and opportunities for other people

0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.199
<v Speaker 2>of color, along with overall philanthropy. He also had a

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<v Speaker 2>reputation for being incredibly scrupulous in all of this. In

0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.360
<v Speaker 2>the words of the Reverend Peter Williams Junior, in a

0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.319
<v Speaker 2>tribute to Cuffey that he wrote after his death, quote,

0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.520
<v Speaker 2>he was so conscientious that he would sooner sacrifice his

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<v Speaker 2>private interests than engage in any enterprise, however lawful or profitable,

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<v Speaker 2>that might have a tendency, either directly or indirectly, to

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<v Speaker 2>injure his fellow men. For instance, he would not deal

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<v Speaker 2>in ardent spirit nor enslaves, though he might have done

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<v Speaker 2>either without violating the laws of his country and with

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<v Speaker 2>great prospects of pecuniary gain. By eighteen oh six, Cuffey's

0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.960
<v Speaker 2>property was valued at about twenty thousand dollars, which made

0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:16.480
<v Speaker 2>him the wealthiest person in Westport. By eighteen oh nine,

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<v Speaker 2>when he turned fifty, he owned multiple sailing vessels, including

0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a ship and two brigs, as well as multiple houses, farms, land,

0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.280
<v Speaker 2>and the mill, and he turned some of that wealth

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<v Speaker 2>to an even more ambitious focus, making it possible for

0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.920
<v Speaker 2>people of African descent to immigrate to Africa. We'll have

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<v Speaker 2>more on that. After another quick sponsor break in the

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<v Speaker 2>early eighteen hundreds, Paul Cuffe started thinking about the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of making it possible for Africans and people of African

0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.480
<v Speaker 2>descent and the United States to resettle in Africa, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>in what was then the British colony of Sierra.

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<v Speaker 1>As a super quick recap, which means we got to

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<v Speaker 1>back up a little bit, there were free and enslaved

0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.440
<v Speaker 1>black soldiers on both sides of the American Revolutionary War.

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<v Speaker 1>People chose sides for a variety of reasons, but When

0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.040
<v Speaker 1>it came to enslaved people, it often involved a promise

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<v Speaker 1>of freedom in exchange for their military service.

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<v Speaker 2>For the most part, though this did not work out

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<v Speaker 2>as planned. On the patriots side, many enslaved people were

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<v Speaker 2>not given their promised freedom after the war ended, and

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<v Speaker 2>on the loyalist side, people were free, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>also regarded as traders to the United States. They could

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<v Speaker 2>not stay in the US and were forced to leave.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of them wound up in Nova Scotia or in

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<v Speaker 2>British Territory in the Caribbean. At the end of the war,

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<v Speaker 2>there were at least fourteen thousand black loyalists seeking refuge

0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.080
<v Speaker 2>in British Territory, and Britain did not really have a

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<v Speaker 2>plan for this. Most black loyalists arrived with nothing. Those

0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.680
<v Speaker 2>who hadn't been enslaved generally lost all their property due

0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:02.400
<v Speaker 2>to confiscation laws. Spread racism also meant that Britain's white

0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.200
<v Speaker 2>society was not generally open to the idea of integration.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether black loyalists wanted to assimily with British society is

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<v Speaker 2>a whole other question. Much of this also applied to

0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.880
<v Speaker 2>enslaved people in Britain who had been freed after Lord

0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Mansfield's decision in Somerset versus Stuart in seventeen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 2>So in seventeen eighty six in Britain, a plan was

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<v Speaker 2>proposed to resettle all these people in Africa, under the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that it would be removing a burden from the

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<v Speaker 2>British public. This plan was approved by the British government

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<v Speaker 2>and by the Committee for the Relief of the Black Poor.

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<v Speaker 2>That organization had initially been established to provide relief for

0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.320
<v Speaker 2>people from the Indian subcontinent, but that work had been

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<v Speaker 2>expanded to also include people of African descent.

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<v Speaker 1>The first attempt to establish a colony in Sierra Leone

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<v Speaker 1>failed for many reasons, including illnesses and deaths during transport,

0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.120
<v Speaker 1>bad weather once they arrived in West Africa, a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of preparation intos applies, and the fact that the British

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't made any kind of treaty or other arrangement with

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<v Speaker 1>the local people of Sierra Leone regarding this colony. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they really were kind of like, we want to remove

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<v Speaker 1>all of you from our society. We're dropping you off

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<v Speaker 1>in Africa. Like that was nearly the extent of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was not planned well.

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<v Speaker 2>Even so, though in seventeen ninety one the Sierra Leone

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<v Speaker 2>Company was established to try again. This time around, abolitionists

0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.359
<v Speaker 2>did travel to Sierra Leone to try to establish good

0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.040
<v Speaker 2>relationships with the local people and then also to mediate

0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.320
<v Speaker 2>between the locals and the colony. But the British government

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<v Speaker 2>was really viewing this as a chance to make money,

0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.359
<v Speaker 2>basically to start a plantation that used free Africans and

0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.399
<v Speaker 2>people of African ancestry as labor, with the Sierra Leone

0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Company in charge of it. More than one thousand free

0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.919
<v Speaker 2>people were transported to Sierra Leone the following year, and

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<v Speaker 2>Britain had to offer a lot of incentives to convince

0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.040
<v Speaker 2>most people to go. Over All, the people that were

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<v Speaker 2>being resettled had never been to Africa before, and many

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<v Speaker 2>had justifiable concerns about the possibility of being captured and

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<v Speaker 2>sold back into slavery in Africa. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>there were for sure, some people who either genuinely wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Africa or who thought that it was

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<v Speaker 2>their best option. This included some people who had been

0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.000
<v Speaker 2>born somewhere in Africa and wanted the chance to go

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<v Speaker 2>back home. It also included people who thought that racism

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<v Speaker 2>and white supremacy were so entrenched where they were that

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<v Speaker 2>they might have a better chance at a good life

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the people of color interested in this idea

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<v Speaker 1>was Paul Cuffey. In eighteen ten, he discussed it with

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<v Speaker 1>the Westport Friends Meeting, saying that he had been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it for a few years at that point. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eleven, at the encouragement of British abolitionists, he visited

0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.639
<v Speaker 1>the colony of Sierra Leone for himself to see what

0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.719
<v Speaker 1>conditions were like and to make recommendations for how to

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<v Speaker 1>improve it.

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<v Speaker 2>By the time Cuffey got to Sierra Leone, the Sierra

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<v Speaker 2>Leonned Company had been dissolved to sum it up there

0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.119
<v Speaker 2>had been problems. They were removed of that responsibility. The

0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.840
<v Speaker 2>colony was under British control. It had a population of

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<v Speaker 2>about three thousand people. There were nearly a thousand black loyalists,

0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.359
<v Speaker 2>who were usually referred to as Nova Scotians. There were

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<v Speaker 2>more than eight hundred Jamaican Maroons and about one thousand

0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 2>people who had been taken from captured slave ships, and

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.520
<v Speaker 2>there were also about one hundred local Africans living in

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<v Speaker 2>the colony.

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<v Speaker 1>Although all of these people were African or of African ancestry,

0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.080
<v Speaker 1>otherwise many of them didn't have much in common. Black

0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Loyalists and Jamaican Maroons had both arrived from the Americas,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had vastly different backgrounds and experiences. People who

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<v Speaker 1>had been on captured slave ships represented a diversity of

0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.920
<v Speaker 1>African nations and languages, so on top of ongoing issues

0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.240
<v Speaker 1>with things like organizations, supplies, weather, and relationships with the

0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.760
<v Speaker 1>local people, there was also a big cultural and language

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.880
<v Speaker 1>bear issue among the people being resettled at the colony.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of the descriptions of Cuffey's work in Sierra Leone

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.639
<v Speaker 2>really focus on its missionary angle, and the idea of

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 2>spreading Christianity in Africa was a factor in all this,

0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.400
<v Speaker 2>but a much bigger part of it was Cuffey's very

0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.439
<v Speaker 2>consistent focus on trying to elevate and provide opportunities for

0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.040
<v Speaker 2>other people of color. The Transatlantic slave trade had devastated

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the existing social structures and economies of hundreds of African

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:35.040
<v Speaker 2>nations and peoples, and Cuffey thought that through things like agriculture, whaling, lumber,

0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and other industries, the nations and peoples of Africa could

0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.680
<v Speaker 2>try to undo that damage, and that all of them

0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:46.320
<v Speaker 2>collectively could become a global economic power. And he thought

0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.359
<v Speaker 2>that a colony made up of people of African ancestry

0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.800
<v Speaker 2>could be an important part of that economic system, bringing

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.440
<v Speaker 2>in labor and resources to help everyone involved lift each

0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.359
<v Speaker 2>other up. He spent his time in Sierra Leone talking

0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to people who were actually affected by immigrating, both the

0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 2>colonists themselves and the local people. He also did practical

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>work like surveying sites for a sawmill and figuring out

0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.520
<v Speaker 2>how the colony could harvest their own salt rather than

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.679
<v Speaker 2>buying it from white merchants. And he also founded the

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<v Speaker 2>Friendly Society of Sierra Leone, which was a mutual aid

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:23.320
<v Speaker 2>society headquartered in Freetown to assist quote the black settlers

0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:26.520
<v Speaker 2>of Sierra Leone and the natives of Africa generally in

0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 2>the cultivation of their soil by the sale of their produce.

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.800
<v Speaker 2>He also worked extensively to build connections among all the

0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:37.200
<v Speaker 2>different colonists and the leadership of the local African nations.

0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.879
<v Speaker 2>Although Cuffy had the support of British abolitionists in all

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<v Speaker 2>this work, British merchants who effectively had a monopoly on

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 2>trade with Sierra Leone. Saw it as threatening, they started

0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 2>spreading false and negative propaganda about him, and when he

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<v Speaker 2>arrived in Liverpool from Sierra Leone in August of eighteen eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>his apprentice, Aaron Rodgers, was a rested and imprisoned, something

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<v Speaker 2>that this same group of merchants had conspired to have done.

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<v Speaker 1>As a side note, before Britain abolished its participation in

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<v Speaker 1>the slave trade, Liverpool had been a major slave poort.

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<v Speaker 1>The arrival of Cuffee's ship, which with its captain and

0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.720
<v Speaker 1>crew entirely made up of freemen of African descent, caused

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<v Speaker 1>enough comment and curiosity that it was covered in the newspapers.

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<v Speaker 2>With the help of prominent British Quakers, Cuffey eventually got

0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 2>his apprentice released from prison and he returned to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. However, back in eighteen oh seven, President Thomas

0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Jefferson had signed the Embargo Act into law. This came

0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.600
<v Speaker 2>out of the Napoleonic Wars, when both Britain and France

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 2>had each implemented punitive trade restrictions and were both harassing

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 2>American ships at sea. When Cuffee arrived back in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States On April nineteenth of eighteen twelve, carrying a

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<v Speaker 2>cargo of goods from Sierra Leone. He was found to

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<v Speaker 2>be in violation of that Act, and his ship and

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<v Speaker 2>goods were seized.

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<v Speaker 1>Cuffey's response was to petition President James Madison for its release.

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<v Speaker 1>On May second, eighteen twelve, he met with both Madison

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<v Speaker 1>and the Secretary of the Treasury, making him probably the

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<v Speaker 1>first African American to meet with a sitting president. His

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.360
<v Speaker 1>goods were ultimately released, and he also discussed his ideas

0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.280
<v Speaker 1>for African colonization with the President while he was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Cuffy's plan at this point was to start arranging a

0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 1>round trip voyage between New England and Sierra Leone about

0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:33.240
<v Speaker 1>once a year. It would carry Africans and their descendants

0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to Sierra Leone, and it would return with African goods

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>to trade with North America and Europe. But the War

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>of eighteen twelve started not long after that meeting with

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<v Speaker 1>the President and interrupted that plan. Apart from the inherently

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.679
<v Speaker 1>more dangerous sea travel during the war, there was no

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>way he could make this three pronged trade route work

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>if two of the prongs were at war with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>He tried to get exceptions to the various embargoes that

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<v Speaker 1>were in place and care with this project, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was denied, so for a time he turned his attention

0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 1>more toward advocating for colonization from within the United States.

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>In eighteen twelve, he visited major cities in the US,

0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>including Baltimore, Philadelphia, and New York City to establish branches

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 1>of the African Institution. This is what had replaced the

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Society for the Abolition of Slave Trade in Britain after

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:26.199
<v Speaker 1>slavery had been abolished there. He was really focused on

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<v Speaker 1>getting a movement for colonization started led by Africans and

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:33.520
<v Speaker 1>people of African descent for themselves to allow people who

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 1>wanted to emigrate to do so. At first, his efforts

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 1>looked pretty promising. Prominent black leaders in the cities that

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 1>he visited supported his plan and became involved with the

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:46.879
<v Speaker 1>African Institution. Then, on December tenth, eighteen fifteen, he departed

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>for Sierra Leone aboard his brig called the Traveler. On

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<v Speaker 1>board the Traveler were thirty eight people, including two families

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<v Speaker 1>that were headed by people who had been enslaved and

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<v Speaker 1>taken to the United States from what's now Senegal and

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Cuffey was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>have some funding from the African Institution in London for this,

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>but that didn't pan out, and only eight of the

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>people aboard the Traveler were able to pay their own way,

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<v Speaker 1>so Cuffey paid for the rest himself at a cost

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 1>of about five thousand dollars. This is believed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that a group of African Americans emigrated

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>from North America to Africa through a venture that was

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<v Speaker 1>run by and for black people.

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<v Speaker 2>In spite of this promising start, though, Cuffey's efforts fell

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:35.320
<v Speaker 2>apart pretty quickly, the American Colonization Society was established in

0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the United States in eighteen sixteen. On its surface, this

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 2>organization had some of the same goals as what Cuffey

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.520
<v Speaker 2>was doing, But while Cuffey was focused on giving people

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<v Speaker 2>choices and on empowering both the colonists and the local

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<v Speaker 2>people of Sierra Leone, a lot of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>were involved with the American Colonization Society were not. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the organization's leaders were of a mindset similar to Cuffe's,

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<v Speaker 2>but others included people like Henry Clay, who thought that

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<v Speaker 2>the colonization movement would quote rid our country of a

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<v Speaker 2>useless and pernicious, if not dangerous, portion of its population.

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<v Speaker 1>There had always been supporters of this colonization idea who

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<v Speaker 1>were motivated by racism. Even among staunch abolitionists, there were

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<v Speaker 1>people who thought that free black people could never be

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<v Speaker 1>part of white society, and so removing them to Africa

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<v Speaker 1>was the best for everyone concerned. But as the colonization

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<v Speaker 1>movement grew, it also drew the attention of slave owners,

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<v Speaker 1>who found the free black population to be a threat

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<v Speaker 1>to the institution of slavery. Some in the colonization movement,

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<v Speaker 1>including both abolitionists and slave owners, started to advocate for

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of freeing people only if they agreed to emigrate.

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<v Speaker 1>Quaker abolitionist Levi Coffin summed the situation up this way,

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<v Speaker 1>quote Many of us were opposed to making colonization a

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<v Speaker 1>condition of freedom, believing it to be an odious plan

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<v Speaker 1>of expatriate concocted by slaveholders to open a drain by

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<v Speaker 1>which they might get rid of free negroes and thus

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<v Speaker 1>remain in more secure position of their slave property. They

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<v Speaker 1>considered free negroes a dangerous element among slaves.

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<v Speaker 2>We had no objection to free negroes going to Africa

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<v Speaker 2>of their own free will, but to compel them to

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<v Speaker 2>go as a condition of freedom was a movement to

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<v Speaker 2>which we were conscientiously opposed and against which we strongly contended.

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<v Speaker 2>When the vote was taken, the motion was carried by

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<v Speaker 2>a small majority. We feel that the slave power had

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<v Speaker 2>got the ascendancy in our society and we could no

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<v Speaker 2>longer work with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Cuffy really tried to distance his project from the colonization movements,

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<v Speaker 1>racist elements and motivations, but in spite of those efforts,

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<v Speaker 1>by eighteen seventeen he had lost a lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>support in the black community in the United States. In

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<v Speaker 1>January of eighteen seventeen, attendees at a meeting of the

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<v Speaker 1>African Institute in Philadelphia were nearly unanimous and their opposition

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea of colonization. They issued a resolution that read,

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<v Speaker 1>in part quote, whereas our ancestors, not by choice, were

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<v Speaker 1>the first successful cultivators of the wilds of America, we

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<v Speaker 1>their descendants feel ourselves entitled to participate in the blessings

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<v Speaker 1>of her luxuriance soil which their blood and sweat manured,

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<v Speaker 1>and that any measure or system of measures having tendency

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<v Speaker 1>to banish us from her bosom would not only be cruel,

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<v Speaker 1>but in direct violation of those principles which have been

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<v Speaker 1>the boast of this republic. Philadelphia businessman James Forton, who

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<v Speaker 1>had supported Cuffey's work earlier on and had been part

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<v Speaker 1>of the African Institution there, also withdrew his support. He

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<v Speaker 1>co authored a statement in August of eighteen seventeen which said, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the plan of colonizing is not asked for by us,

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<v Speaker 1>we renounce and disclaim any connection with it.

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<v Speaker 2>By this point, Cuffey had become seriously ill, and he

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<v Speaker 2>knew that he was dying. He gathered his family on

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<v Speaker 2>August seven teenth of eighteen seventeen to say goodbye, and

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<v Speaker 2>he died on September seventh of that year. His funeral

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<v Speaker 2>was held the following day at Westport Friends Meeting House,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was buried in its burial ground. Today there's

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<v Speaker 2>a monument to Paul Cuffee at the Westport Meetinghouse which reads,

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<v Speaker 2>quote in memory of Captain Paul Cuffey, Patriot, navigator, educator, philanthropist, friend,

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<v Speaker 2>A noble character.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the idea of colonization had fallen out of favor

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<v Speaker 1>with most of the black community. When Cuffee died, the

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<v Speaker 1>American Colonization Society continued on, and Liberia was established as

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<v Speaker 1>a colony for Black Americans in eighteen forty seven. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the people who had gone to sier ear Leone

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<v Speaker 1>aboard the Traveler eventually moved there.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Paul Cuffee is often described as a forerunner in

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<v Speaker 2>the Pan African movement. This movement is rooted in the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that everyone of African descent has some common interests

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<v Speaker 2>and is united by their African ancestry, regardless of whether

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<v Speaker 2>they're living in Africa or elsewhere. It's not an idea

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<v Speaker 2>that can really be credited to one individual, specific person,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's often traced back to people like Henry Sylvester Williams,

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<v Speaker 2>who established the Pan African Association at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteenth century, and Web du Bois and his contemporaries

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<v Speaker 2>who organized the first Pan African Congress in nineteen hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>So he was kind of presaging their ideas by almost

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<v Speaker 2>a century. Thanks so much for joining us on this Saturday.

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