Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, Hello guys. I would just like to say
Speaker 2: that I got a lot of people that were very
Speaker 2: supportive of your dream. Yep, and I can't And what
Speaker 2: if I told you I reached out to Applebee's. I'm
Speaker 2: kidding on a date.
Speaker 1: So we went from Bricktops to Appleby's all you loved it?
Speaker 1: Did you have you been at Applebe's before?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Have you? I'm Applebee San? Have you waitressed? Have not? Okay,
Speaker 2: So Friday's Macaroni girlshot to say, keep a job, you
Speaker 2: are definitely a Joe's crabshot with the coordinated dancy waitress
Speaker 2: and then get fired. That'd be great. A lot of
Speaker 2: people wrote to me and said that they'd like you
Speaker 2: to be a celebrity singing waitress, apparently sending just said.
Speaker 2: Results on the Instagram polls, fifty five percent of people
Speaker 2: think you should waitress. What are the other forty five language?
Speaker 2: But I did talk to my therapists about it, Okay,
Speaker 2: we had a lovely conversation. I brought up kind of
Speaker 2: what you said too about mourning the loss of freedom
Speaker 2: and just she had said something to me too, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people were like, I pick up one
Speaker 2: day just to go bartend because it's like my own time.
Speaker 2: And I told Amy, it's not about actually waitressing, even
Speaker 2: though yes, I very much enjoyed it, but it was
Speaker 2: just we know you have a deep passion.
Speaker 4: I really do, but.
Speaker 2: It was to help other people. And so we have
Speaker 2: come up with a game plan of what to do,
Speaker 2: which I will roll out eventually, but I'm working on
Speaker 2: it and she's helping me with it. So I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: But it'll be a way to help other people, not
Speaker 2: in a restaurant, but people that are more aligned with
Speaker 2: who I want to help.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. Yeah, so not that I'm totally
Speaker 1: against the waitressing, but.
Speaker 2: Like you just wanted to make fun of me. That
Speaker 2: was she just wanted to be a client.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I did not want to make of you.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a client, and she did to
Speaker 1: be like I'll take this and I'll take this.
Speaker 2: She's like this, I want No, I said, I wanted
Speaker 2: that without you. He said like, no, you didn't.
Speaker 1: And I would literally never actually do that at a restaurant. So,
Speaker 1: even though that might be surprising, literally would hate to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: Get with you.
Speaker 4: I would do it for sure, totally so supportive.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I would not wait on a legitimately he
Speaker 2: would legitimately. I forget what Alan hates. I'm always like
Speaker 2: Elan tomatoes, right, and he's like, I love tomatoes, and
Speaker 2: I'm like that's not a good accent. Okay. So we
Speaker 2: have something that I want to discuss. What shouldn't. I
Speaker 2: just wanted to bring it up.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Jolie came home. By the way, this is a if
Speaker 2: you're listening around children under fifth grade, just turn me
Speaker 2: down for the next five minutes. That's a good warning. Yes.
Speaker 2: So Jolie comes home from school and she's like, Mommy,
Speaker 2: can I talk to you for a second. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: of course, absolutely. So I was like, we're going to
Speaker 2: jump in, you know, like go in the room or whatever.
Speaker 2: She goes and the Jason was fall She's like, jac
Speaker 2: you can't be in here. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm like, she's probably tell me she has a boyfriend
Speaker 2: or something. You know, they're the third grade, like something's
Speaker 2: going on. So Jace, you know, went into the room.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, go clo your little cars
Speaker 2: or whatever, and Jolie goes, Mommy, I was talking to
Speaker 2: this girl at lunch. I will not name her name
Speaker 2: if she told me the name, but just out of respect,
Speaker 2: it won't say her name. We're not going to blast her.
Speaker 2: Anti Kristin to Anti Kristen is feeling like I'm blowing
Speaker 2: up the Michigan. I can feel it rising. I was like,
Speaker 2: I really want to, I won't. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: what did she say? She's like, she said that Santa
Speaker 2: is not real. I knew this was coming, and she goes,
Speaker 2: so is it true, mommy? Is Santa not real? And
Speaker 2: I just stared at her and I was like, what
Speaker 2: do you believe? What do you think? Because in my mind,
Speaker 2: it's not time for her not to know that Santa's
Speaker 2: not real. I think I would agree fifth grade and above.
Speaker 2: Personally for me, I think third grade is too young. Personally,
Speaker 2: I would endorse that as well. So I just trying
Speaker 2: to turn the question around in her and I just
Speaker 2: said what do you believe? And she said yeah, and
Speaker 2: I said yes. I was like and I was starting
Speaker 2: to like stumble over words. I was like, yes, Santa
Speaker 2: is real, and a part of me was like, okay,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to lie to her in this.
Speaker 2: So what I did was this is how I I
Speaker 2: concocted the thing I said, but I do want to
Speaker 2: have a conversation around it. She goes because she also
Speaker 2: said that magic isn't real, and I was like ooh.
Speaker 2: I was like, baby, the magic of Christmas is like
Speaker 2: the most beautiful time. And she's like, but I mean
Speaker 2: the Easter Bunny isn't real. And I was like, one
Speaker 2: hundred percent not real. Oh. I was like, okay, no,
Speaker 2: so I cause she's like, mommy, like a bunny jumping around.
Speaker 2: I was like, one thousand percent that's not real. And
Speaker 2: she's like, in the Tooth Fairy isn't real either, is it?
Speaker 2: And I was like no, baby, oh wow. So she
Speaker 2: got those two because I'm like and on my I'm like,
Speaker 2: how can I tell my? Then your daughter almost that
Speaker 2: like the bunny, like there's not a big bunny hopping in.
Speaker 2: So I was like, but we're still going to make
Speaker 2: it fun for Jason Roman. So she's like absolutely, But
Speaker 2: I did adult like age her into the like bunny
Speaker 2: and the tooth Fairy because she just lost a tooth too,
Speaker 2: and she's like, mommy or the tooth fairy and I
Speaker 2: was like, well, that still hasn't caught on to me.
Speaker 2: I think or love is the kind of personality actually
Speaker 2: that would have caught on. But protecting, Yeah, she just
Speaker 2: would keep going, Uh, you.
Speaker 4: Want my opinion on all of it?
Speaker 1: Sure, Well, this coming from a mom who's both of
Speaker 1: my older kids at nine.
Speaker 2: Figured it out.
Speaker 1: I think there is something about that age and I don't.
Speaker 1: I will completely disagree with you in this sense that
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's an age.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a grade. I don't think it's a.
Speaker 2: I'm just personally not ready for I think I will either. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't.
Speaker 1: Think, in my opinion, there's a too young. I think
Speaker 1: it depends on the kid. Like Ramsey's eight, I don't
Speaker 1: foresee her necessarily at nine. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I did the same thing, well do you believe that
Speaker 1: he is real? And both of my kids said no,
Speaker 1: I don't, and I said, okay, maybe I did differently,
Speaker 1: she said, and I was the same way. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to lie, so I said, well, what do you believe?
Speaker 1: And both of them, in those situations says he's not real,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, and then we had a
Speaker 1: conversation and then now they helped me with Christmas Eve
Speaker 1: and all the things. But there's something about that age
Speaker 1: and it's and maybe it will be this year for Ramsey.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there's very much something about that age, school,
Speaker 1: all the things that it just seems to be pretty
Speaker 1: consistent for us.
Speaker 2: So we went through it in kindergarten. Oh wow, that's
Speaker 2: really real, huh. And we're into Jesus School and they
Speaker 2: said they're truth tellers. And she came home and was like,
Speaker 2: so and so said, and I will not name names.
Speaker 2: Santa isn't real. And I said, well, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that, you know, because it's
Speaker 2: like you're in kindergarten. Yeah. So I actually addressed our group,
Speaker 2: our class because I thought, and I I don't remember
Speaker 2: how I put it, but I simply said, there was
Speaker 2: very little magic in my life growing up, and Santo
Speaker 2: was something that I could believe in and felt like magic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I am preserving that in our home. And so
Speaker 2: if you have truth tellers, I would kindly ask that
Speaker 2: they have a certain responsibility in their truth.
Speaker 1: Well, and that was another thing I said to I
Speaker 1: was like, it is not your jobs to ever say
Speaker 1: this to other children. And another thing is like some
Speaker 1: kids like me for instance, growing up, like you just
Speaker 1: never said anything to your parents. You just kept on
Speaker 1: going about as But if you have the type of kids,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, they don't want to talk to you
Speaker 1: about it and want to have a conversation. That's where
Speaker 1: it was very important to me to not lie about
Speaker 1: it and to just if they didn't believe, allow them
Speaker 1: to not because they actually wanted to have the conversation
Speaker 1: with me, which isn't always the case.
Speaker 2: I think if she would have said no, then maybe
Speaker 2: it would have been different conversation. But in the meantime, though,
Speaker 2: what I did do is when she had said yes,
Speaker 2: I go, Can I just have a one second to
Speaker 2: try and gather my thoughts? I called Pam and I
Speaker 2: was like, does heart Because I'm like, maybe this is
Speaker 2: the right age, I don't know. She's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: too young. So that's what she said to me. I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, I agree, I'm calling like me back,
Speaker 2: you know, you call her reckon because I'm like, maybe
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to keep her young Like these I just.
Speaker 1: Don't think it has to do necessarily with like a
Speaker 1: certain age, different kids are different, and you know, this
Speaker 1: is when they start talking about it though, So I'll
Speaker 1: be interested to see when it gets over to Harlow
Speaker 1: how she handles it.
Speaker 2: She's smart though, I mean they're all smart, you know,
Speaker 2: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I just think that someone like Carlo shan't gonna say anything. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Love probably wouldn't either.
Speaker 2: She has Love asks really specific questions and I answer
Speaker 2: them to the best of my ability. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 2: also like, I'm not gonna lie to her either. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we don't sit on this lap. There's no like,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things about it, and we do
Speaker 2: believe in the tooth fairy, and I think she might
Speaker 2: be skeptical of that Easter bunny. But yeah, changing complete
Speaker 2: gears right now. Uh. There is a new Housewives or
Speaker 2: is it new or is it? Have you watched given
Speaker 2: watch it? I don't even know what it is. The
Speaker 2: it's newer, I know that, yes, real how Wives of Dubai.
Speaker 2: So let's get Caroline Stanbury on the show.
Speaker 3: Hello, nice to see you all.
Speaker 2: Nice to see you. I'm Jan and this is Kat
Speaker 2: and Kristen.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 2: Where are you currently at are you in Dubai.
Speaker 5: I'm in Dubai, sitting in my bedroom closet where I
Speaker 5: have my podcast.
Speaker 2: Is it fabulous Dubai? I've never been? You love to go?
Speaker 2: I hear it just smells great, smells great the malls
Speaker 2: or whatever. Someone said, the big old mall smells like amazing.
Speaker 5: Well, everything's clean and very fresh and they've sort of
Speaker 5: pumped sent through it.
Speaker 2: And yes, doesn't smell like Abercrombie, is what you're saying,
Speaker 2: which is what we're used to over here.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Wait, so how long have you been living in Dubai for?
Speaker 3: This will be my nine nearly nine years years.
Speaker 2: Wow. What is the biggest difference that you see from
Speaker 2: moving from London?
Speaker 5: Well, just the safety aspect is amazing. You know, I
Speaker 5: don't have to lock my doors. I you know, we don't.
Speaker 5: We don't sleep.
Speaker 3: We could if you take off your watch at the
Speaker 3: beach and put it on the bed and go for
Speaker 3: a swim, it will be there when you get back.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I feel like London is so safe.
Speaker 5: No mm hmm, you're crazy stabbing No, yeah, it's getting
Speaker 5: it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every day there is stabbing and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's safe, safer than.
Speaker 5: Your everybody's getting robbed with mop heads and like, no,
Speaker 5: it's not safe.
Speaker 3: So we don't have any of that here.
Speaker 2: I love that and you are okay. The call to
Speaker 2: get the Real Housewives of Dubai. How did that come together?
Speaker 5: Bravo just contacted me and truly, so you know, I
Speaker 5: don't know how it came together. I mean, I guess
Speaker 5: it was in the planning and then Bravo when they
Speaker 5: planned to make it, Bravo told told the production house
Speaker 5: I was here.
Speaker 2: And you were originally a Lady of London, right and
Speaker 2: that series? Yeah okay. So was it an instant yes
Speaker 2: for you to go back into reality TV or were
Speaker 2: you like I need a second with this.
Speaker 3: No, I mean i'd had a second. I had six
Speaker 3: years off, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a good break. I mean, were you
Speaker 2: like eager to go back or did you think, hang on,
Speaker 2: I need to Like.
Speaker 3: I was eager. I was ready. I wanted to go back.
Speaker 5: I was really excited, Like I think, you know, I
Speaker 5: was equate doing something like this, like being pregnant. You know,
Speaker 5: when you're in it, you hate it, and then afterwards
Speaker 5: you're like, let's do it again.
Speaker 2: Just long enough to forget all the things you didn't.
Speaker 3: Like, right, Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: That's right. It becomes charming in your brain again. Yes,
Speaker 2: And is your your now husband, Sergio? Was he all
Speaker 2: on board or was he needing a minute as well?
Speaker 2: Was this like a unanimous yes for you guys that
Speaker 2: were No, he.
Speaker 3: Was straight on board.
Speaker 5: You know, Sergio's had a level of fame I suppose,
Speaker 5: paying for you know, such a big soccer team for
Speaker 5: seven years. You know that going into the stadium you
Speaker 5: always had like people around you and people talking about
Speaker 5: you and knowing who you are. So he was ready
Speaker 5: and he kind of I think things don't phase him.
Speaker 2: Is there anything off limits for you too? You know
Speaker 2: I would I'd imagine in the reality world like this,
Speaker 2: they want all the dirt and they want all of
Speaker 2: the things, right. That's what makes these shows so wildly
Speaker 2: popular as they get to see all the behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you two kind of sat down
Speaker 2: and agreed upon ahead of time and said we're absolutely
Speaker 2: not doing this on camera, we're not showing that, or
Speaker 2: we're not talking about this to protect any sort of privacy,
Speaker 2: or do you just go all in.
Speaker 3: Well, we won't be making a sex video.
Speaker 2: Well just really myth by Yeah that's the line.
Speaker 3: We found that. No, not really.
Speaker 5: We you know, we understand that we're on a show,
Speaker 5: and even when we're off the show, we we are
Speaker 5: pretty prolific on Instagram and all of the you know,
Speaker 5: YouTube and things like that. I believe that it's quite
Speaker 5: fun to see because we've such an age gap relationship.
Speaker 5: You know, there's so many misconceptions about how this works,
Speaker 5: why he's here, what, you know, how our what our
Speaker 5: dynamic is. So no, I'm not embarrassed or ashamed about
Speaker 5: any of it. You know, we've we love hard, we
Speaker 5: fight hard, you know, we have we laugh all the time.
Speaker 5: And I think it's nice to show people that this
Speaker 5: relationship how it works, you know, because people don't understand,
Speaker 5: you know, that the age gap relationships this way round
Speaker 5: can work. You know, before I got I became when
Speaker 5: sorry married Sergio, I googled every sort of made to
Speaker 5: December relationship this way round, and I was like, no,
Speaker 5: cannot work. You know, there's just there's no one. There's macron,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's about it. Like it's not gonna work,
Speaker 5: but you know it's working.
Speaker 2: What was the biggest thing that worked in that nineteen
Speaker 2: year gap, and then what's the thing that's been working
Speaker 2: against you? Guys.
Speaker 5: The biggest thing that works, I think is the fun aspect,
Speaker 5: like love, the laughter and at my age and being
Speaker 5: where I am in life, like honestly, there's something about
Speaker 5: belly laughing that is priceless, like literallyking priceless.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't swap it for the world, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not. I've never been motivated by money.
Speaker 5: I'm not looking for a rich old man on a
Speaker 5: super yacht, which a lot of the women and.
Speaker 3: These shows are.
Speaker 5: I'm fully aware of what I got and what Sergio
Speaker 5: and I are building together, and I really love the
Speaker 5: journey with him. That's what the hustle and the fun
Speaker 5: of what we're doing, you know, keeps us alive.
Speaker 3: So that's the bit I enjoy.
Speaker 5: The biggest factor against us, I suppose is maybe the
Speaker 5: children thing, because you know, my children are leaving home
Speaker 5: and I'm I've become quite selfish and I love my
Speaker 5: I love my crazy life with Sergia. We get on
Speaker 5: a you know, a plane and we're you know, we're
Speaker 5: just booking Iceland now, you know, and all of that,
Speaker 5: and then we're going to London next week and then
Speaker 5: he's off to Spain and and I'm like, that has
Speaker 5: to change, that will stop. It can't happen with the
Speaker 5: top with a baby. It doesn't doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It's definitely more challenging. Yeah, you know, I mean that's
Speaker 2: is that something he wants there.
Speaker 5: Desperately, and I'm desperately trying to persuade him out of it.
Speaker 3: Called you are I'm forty eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh you don't look forty eight. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: well listen, I mean it's you're in a different age
Speaker 2: with your kids. I mean, that's just something we talk
Speaker 2: about all the time because it's like, you know, she's
Speaker 2: got older kids, you know, oldt so that will be
Speaker 2: on the other side, you know, to start again. And
Speaker 2: it's like, so my.
Speaker 5: Son fourteen, I've got two at fourteen and one at eighteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be tough.
Speaker 2: And it's like I had another one with my now husband,
Speaker 2: and it is I mean, like granted, both my kids
Speaker 2: they're still like youngish, it's like almost six and nine,
Speaker 2: but then you know, having a baby again, I mean
Speaker 2: it really because it's like, okay, you're back to you know,
Speaker 2: being back for nep schedules in this and you can't
Speaker 2: really travel as much you have to, so that's it's
Speaker 2: limiting certain things that you want to do, right, And
Speaker 2: we had it in the beginning, it was like all right,
Speaker 2: this weeknd, we don't have any kids, and it's like no,
Speaker 2: now we're always going to have a kid. There are
Speaker 2: now like kid free weekends, you know. So it's like
Speaker 2: but so, I mean, that'd be hard, but it's also
Speaker 2: something he doesn't have. So that's got to be really
Speaker 2: tough because if he really wants a baby, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's staying.
Speaker 5: That's always the question. But again, you can't live in
Speaker 5: fear of these things. And I don't believe in ever
Speaker 5: living in fear. You know, what what will be will be.
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm not going to also have a
Speaker 5: baby because I'm scared of that for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5: And I'm also you know, I'm also very relaxed about
Speaker 5: life and pragmatic about life. You know, you can't force
Speaker 5: somebody to stay for any reason. And I think you know,
Speaker 5: having a baby right now for me, I mean, we
Speaker 5: just started building a hotel in Bali.
Speaker 3: We're back and forth with I love my life.
Speaker 5: As you said, you know, being divorced, you have one
Speaker 5: week on, one week off.
Speaker 3: I quite like being myself again.
Speaker 2: I film.
Speaker 5: We've just been on a speaking tour. We're never you know,
Speaker 5: we are all over the place, you know, and the
Speaker 5: thought of like as you said, once you have a baby,
Speaker 5: you know, when school starts, you can't even get on
Speaker 5: a plane. You have to stay. So you know, I'm
Speaker 5: looking forward to those days. So I really don't know.
Speaker 5: That is the biggest biggest challenge and age gap relationship
Speaker 5: this size is because you're right, he doesn't have a
Speaker 5: baby and he deserves to experience being a father obviously.
Speaker 2: If do you think'll come down to that like ultimatum
Speaker 2: where he's like, I want a baby or I'm out.
Speaker 3: He says not.
Speaker 5: But you know, I can't be sure of that. But
Speaker 5: you can't be sure of anything in life, you know,
Speaker 5: And that's the decision I'll have to live with for
Speaker 5: the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: You know. Whether I make the right one or the
Speaker 3: wrong one, you just don't know, but you know it
Speaker 3: is what it is.
Speaker 2: Right on this season of Real Housewiods of Dubai, you
Speaker 2: mentioned that you think that your relationship will be ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen years. Is this a piece of that or
Speaker 2: is there something else that goes on in your brain
Speaker 2: that just gives you this like decade decade and a
Speaker 2: half kind of time frame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's a big piece of it.
Speaker 5: You know, he will want to start a family, and
Speaker 5: if I can't or don't want to that, you know,
Speaker 5: he has every right to. And that's the way it is,
Speaker 5: you know, And I can't fault him for that. If
Speaker 5: I decide not to and he really decides he can't
Speaker 5: live without a baby, that's a very very big decision
Speaker 5: for him to live childless because I've decided I've got
Speaker 5: my own.
Speaker 1: How is his relationship with your children and how do
Speaker 1: they get along?
Speaker 5: It's it's you know, it's up and down. Sometimes it's great,
Speaker 5: sometimes it's just not. That's the relationship that many stepparents have.
Speaker 5: The more people I speak to families, it just is
Speaker 5: the way it is. When they love you, they love
Speaker 5: you and you're cool and like they love to play
Speaker 5: you off the other the father, and there a lot
Speaker 5: of times they use a step parent as you know,
Speaker 5: as bargaining and all of these things to get what
Speaker 5: they want and kids, A kid's a you know, it's
Speaker 5: not easy being a step parent for anyone, you know,
Speaker 5: and throw in an age gap as well, you sort
Speaker 5: of miss a lot of the respect level that maybe
Speaker 5: they would have for an older parent. You know, it's
Speaker 5: it's challenging. It's very challenging, but as good as it
Speaker 5: can be.
Speaker 3: We have it right now good.
Speaker 1: Can imagine those older ages and with the age gap,
Speaker 1: that would be tough, Like if you had younger kids
Speaker 1: like you've had, you know, I mean just that would
Speaker 1: be that I feel like that would be a really
Speaker 1: hard thing to maneuver for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also feel like I'm just like in this,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, what would I do? You know, because
Speaker 2: Alan and I were just having yet again another conversation
Speaker 2: about a baby, and it was one of those things
Speaker 2: where ketherne where you know, eat it. I wonder if
Speaker 2: you're just like, if your hard no is now so
Speaker 2: that way it doesn't have to be a thing that
Speaker 2: continues to just linger on in the relationship where it's
Speaker 2: just like this is just what it is. It's a no,
Speaker 2: and you know, let's continue our lives and not have
Speaker 2: this thing that is on our back the entire next
Speaker 2: ten years. You know, it's really you can.
Speaker 5: Make a hard no because it's not you know, I waiver.
Speaker 5: It's not like I do give the children and go okay.
Speaker 5: You know, friends bring over their babies and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 5: I can't do this, you know, I just I don't
Speaker 5: feel that maternal. But then maybe he always tries to
Speaker 5: persuade me that, you know, when it's our baby, it'll
Speaker 5: be you know, different, which is true.
Speaker 3: You know, do you feel maternal to other people's babies.
Speaker 2: To Janice only to Janice's baby? But I don't. But
Speaker 2: when I do. When I was pregnant with and you
Speaker 2: and you had I was pregnant and she had just
Speaker 2: what last year you were had Lion, and I was
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, what did I do? Because
Speaker 2: I just I was I wasn't ready to step back
Speaker 2: into that again. And I'm just like I'm forty and
Speaker 2: oh my god, and like you know, and just I'm like,
Speaker 2: this isn't And I had this and I remember Sarah
Speaker 2: came up to me and she was like, you will
Speaker 2: love your baby, and I'm like, well, I ca, can
Speaker 2: you give us a minute? I think that I love
Speaker 2: I love lying. I'm just saying. But in that moment,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if I'm ready to
Speaker 2: step back into this, and I but now I'm eight
Speaker 2: months pregnant and oh my god, and like that anxiety
Speaker 2: of like, I will say this, though, I think for
Speaker 2: the is deeply and as deeply as you feel about
Speaker 2: him and the things that you have to say about him,
Speaker 2: I think that I'm just gonna I'm gonna sit back
Speaker 2: and watch because I feel like there's such a respect
Speaker 2: for him that I think this would be really beautiful.
Speaker 2: And I will say this, it is much different. Our
Speaker 2: gaps are the same. So almost nine six and a
Speaker 2: baby one year old. Oh wow, this time around has
Speaker 2: been and I'm forty two, but it has been so
Speaker 2: special and different because we know how fleeting it is,
Speaker 2: I think, and we know how fast it goes, so
Speaker 2: like I didn't travel for the end of pregnancy year
Speaker 2: and for a lot of the first year. But I
Speaker 2: also just, oh, I just like soaked it up because
Speaker 2: I know how fast it goes, you know. And I
Speaker 2: think when you get to look at like a little Sergio,
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are just a stunning couple and
Speaker 2: you seem to have really beautiful respect for each other,
Speaker 2: which is something that a lot of couples are missing.
Speaker 2: And just like this idea that you get to build
Speaker 2: a fun life together, I would say baby over split exactly.
Speaker 3: He is my best friend.
Speaker 5: We have so much fun, and I think on the
Speaker 5: show you don't see as much fun as that we
Speaker 5: do have. So you know, that's why I don't want
Speaker 5: to give him a hard note. It's not a hard note.
Speaker 5: You know what's sad. Actually it is that we're just
Speaker 5: starting to build our brands together and we've really got
Speaker 5: into the rhythm of working together as husband and wife.
Speaker 5: And in an ideal world, you know, we would we would.
Speaker 5: He doesn't want a baby today, you know, we would
Speaker 5: have it in two to three years, except I'm forty eight,
Speaker 5: so that makes me, you know, fifty one before we start,
Speaker 5: and that's a whole different thing. Right, So if the
Speaker 5: time crunch wasn't there, then you know, we do it
Speaker 5: in just not while we're in the middle of all
Speaker 5: of this, but as it happens, we don't have a choice.
Speaker 5: It's like everyone's like, you don't have long like you
Speaker 5: have to do it now. If you're going to do it,
Speaker 5: you've got to do it now, and I'm I'm that piece.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate that too, and that's the piece that
Speaker 2: is stopping me. Is like age, you know, I just
Speaker 2: I hate that. And my husband's older, so I feel
Speaker 2: that on the other side, you know, like I'm like,
Speaker 2: our babies don't deserve to have, like, you know, an
Speaker 2: eighty year old dad when they're graduating college or whatever.
Speaker 2: So we have to stop. I mean not that I
Speaker 2: feel young. This last one really did me and it
Speaker 2: was beautiful. But okay, moving on from the baby talk.
Speaker 2: If you could fire one member of the cast, who
Speaker 2: would it be? Oh my god, that's only one, Carolyn said.
Speaker 3: I agreely.
Speaker 5: Actually, I've just got to a place where they don't
Speaker 5: all hate me, sob I'm sure you will know my
Speaker 5: answer really, but I'm not going to say that.
Speaker 2: Why why do they not like you? I don't because
Speaker 2: I have not I have not watched yet, which now
Speaker 2: I'm going to. But what why don't they like you?
Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know, just never have I guess probably intimidated.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love you a lot, well, usually because you're
Speaker 2: you're the big housewife watching in this and it's like
Speaker 2: most women hate the women that yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely know, and yeah, yeah that's usually the case.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm definitely confident and happy in my own skin
Speaker 5: and I don't want to be anywhere else.
Speaker 3: So maybe that just bothers them.
Speaker 4: That is very intimidating for a lot of women, insecure
Speaker 4: women in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then are you hated by the fans too?
Speaker 3: Then no, not at all. That's why I don't think
Speaker 3: a lot of women.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've get a lot of love from women,
Speaker 5: believe it or not, like a lot because they feel
Speaker 5: like I get a lot of words that, you know,
Speaker 5: I give them hope that I show, you know, like
Speaker 5: I left my.
Speaker 3: Very stable, normal life.
Speaker 5: I've you know, done marrit a twenty four year old,
Speaker 5: I've done everything that's different, moved to the Middle East,
Speaker 5: you know, gone onto the reality show. I think I've
Speaker 5: shown women, you know, a totally different side of what
Speaker 5: is possible, you know, outside of what we've been told
Speaker 5: is possible or what society says we should be doing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you have your podcast uncut and uncensored. What is
Speaker 2: one of the biggest lessons that you've learned in life just.
Speaker 5: To be able to pivot? I think that life never
Speaker 5: goes the way you think it's going to go. I mean,
Speaker 5: I could not have foreseen this journey at all. I
Speaker 5: mean if you told me. And when I moved to
Speaker 5: the Middle East, I did not think Housewives was coming
Speaker 5: to the Middle East. You know, I didn't know. I
Speaker 5: didn't know I'd be married to a twenty four year
Speaker 5: old my age. You know, all of the things that
Speaker 5: have happened to me, I did not foresee. And I
Speaker 5: think being able to be resilient, to be able to pivot,
Speaker 5: and to be able to make those choices and just
Speaker 5: go with the flow, is that is the biggest thing. Like,
Speaker 5: don't turn things down because you're scared. You know, if
Speaker 5: you're scared, you should do them.
Speaker 2: If you're scared, you shouldn't marry him. How did you
Speaker 2: meet your husband?
Speaker 5: He had just come back from playing football in Europe
Speaker 5: and he was in Newport Beach and I was doing
Speaker 5: a podcast live in Newport Beach, so and he it
Speaker 5: was like women's empowerment and he was one of the
Speaker 5: only men in the audience.
Speaker 3: Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: And then how did he get your attention? He was
Speaker 2: the only man in the audience.
Speaker 3: He came to the.
Speaker 5: Meet and greet with a friend of his because it
Speaker 5: was all women basically, and I actually thought he was
Speaker 5: quite good looking for a single girl friend of mine.
Speaker 5: So we got talking and I was like, oh, you're single.
Speaker 5: He said yes. I said I've got a girl for
Speaker 5: a few and so we swapped numbers and that was that.
Speaker 5: Then it just ended up being me and me en.
Speaker 3: So cute.
Speaker 2: That's so cute. Oh, I really love Carol. Everyone watched
Speaker 2: Real Housewives is Dubai, Aeron and Bravo, and listen to
Speaker 2: Uncut and Uncensored podcast new episodes every Wednesday. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for coming on the show. We appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait for your birth announcement. I'm pretty pumped
Speaker 2: for you, Carolyn.
Speaker 1: I will thanks bye bye you too.
Speaker 2: Can we hit two pop culture things really fast?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Thoughts on Ben and Jen I'm thoughtless.
Speaker 4: This one just makes me sad.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make me a little sad too. I just
Speaker 2: can't imagine all the layers they navigate.
Speaker 4: So that the announcement was interesting to me.
Speaker 2: I don't even see. I think people read into things
Speaker 2: too much. Like, for example, Mica texts me, I can't
Speaker 2: remember now, but this was uh when we had released
Speaker 2: a story we actually released on his birthday. I had
Speaker 2: no idea. No, I'm like, I'm like, I don't think
Speaker 2: she purposely planned to do it on that day. I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 4: I meant, Okay, you know that means nothing to me.
Speaker 2: That I was like, I don't even as your birthday
Speaker 2: and I would never purposely, ever plan a single really
Speaker 2: on your birthday, calmed down, happy birthday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, not that part at all.
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is I feel like we truly
Speaker 1: haven't known what's going on, who wants out, who, whatever?
Speaker 1: And then her sources comments were just interesting to me
Speaker 1: because it was basically like she's tired of waiting was one.
Speaker 2: Of the quotes.
Speaker 1: That makes me sad, And I'm like, interesting because we
Speaker 1: truly don't know like who, and so it made it
Speaker 1: sound like I don't know what the case is that
Speaker 1: she truly and again who knows what the truth is,
Speaker 1: but that she's been wanting to make it work and
Speaker 1: he has just been like done, which I understand most
Speaker 1: people are going to go obviously she's terrible to him,
Speaker 1: like and I hold out hope that she's a nice human. However,
Speaker 1: people have said otherwise so I understand that maybe there
Speaker 1: were things that probably happened and he was unhappy, and
Speaker 1: you know, then she was trying to make it work.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just the quotes were very interesting.
Speaker 1: It sounded like she was trying to make it work,
Speaker 1: but it was sick of waiting so wild and I just
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I mean, I don't know, it's none
Speaker 1: of our business. But the same time, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what happened here?
Speaker 2: No, it's not. I just I will always be sad
Speaker 2: for the girl that keeps fighting for love. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know it isn't that isn't happy and in love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he looked miserable from the kick go.
Speaker 4: Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: He kind of has resting miserable face though. I mean
Speaker 2: see him like I know I do too, but like
Speaker 2: I don't ever see it.
Speaker 1: I don't did we see him happy before her or
Speaker 1: did all of these memes just start coming out once
Speaker 1: he was with her.
Speaker 2: I don't know, That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know that. I maybe he just default is you know,
Speaker 2: like guys, I might have and I don't feel like
Speaker 2: I have resting happy face. I'm just a person out in.
Speaker 1: The wild looks extra miserable, and again I love him too.
Speaker 2: That he's just he looks just is it the smoke
Speaker 2: breaks one that you're talking closing the door one that
Speaker 2: that was funny every because I feel like every relationship
Speaker 2: has been in that where just like closing the door.
Speaker 1: Opens the door where and shut his face like it
Speaker 1: just makes me laugh every time.
Speaker 2: I feel like that just explains like our relationship.
Speaker 4: It does it totally point but no, I just but
Speaker 4: it makes.
Speaker 2: Sense everyone to be happy, Yeah, but it makes me sad.
Speaker 2: Thoughts on have you guys seen it ends with us?
Speaker 2: It's on Blake Lively stuff, m.
Speaker 4: Someone else go first.
Speaker 2: I feel very out of touch right now. I'm a
Speaker 2: little in the weeds of my own four walls. But
Speaker 2: what I have gathered is that Blake's co star has
Speaker 2: a very different interview process and words to say than
Speaker 2: she does about the movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, is that accurate? And I think that he has
Speaker 1: been very kind. I think that he has told people
Speaker 1: to lay off. However, that interview which that woman has
Speaker 1: really again, I don't know much about Blake Lively. I
Speaker 1: don't have an opinion on Blake Lively. To be completely honest.
Speaker 2: With my thing that I posted about my therapists and opinions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see. Yeah, it was because you had
Speaker 1: told you had told me about it and then listening
Speaker 1: and I understood what you were saying. But it was
Speaker 1: really help and never fully express the way that the therapist.
Speaker 1: It was super helpful to listen to it, and I
Speaker 1: was like absolutely. But watching the clip from that interview
Speaker 1: where she said congratulations on your bump and she said
Speaker 1: congratulations on your bump, that that did not sit well
Speaker 1: with me. I didn't see it's, yeah, I didn't. I
Speaker 1: did not love that.
Speaker 4: But maybe it was a bad day. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know much about it.
Speaker 1: Other than that I did come across that, and that
Speaker 1: woman has spoken out about how it made her feel
Speaker 1: and you know, all the things. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that that And maybe she did something wrong in a
Speaker 1: part I haven't seen in the interview. Maybe there was
Speaker 1: something that set her off. I do not know. However,
Speaker 1: I don't think that the reporter or the interviewer did
Speaker 1: anything wrong saying congratulations because it was out that she
Speaker 1: was pretty. But it sounds like I'm the only one
Speaker 1: that's going to say my opinion on this, I don't I.
Speaker 2: Really don't have one. I just haven't had like enough
Speaker 2: like bandwidth to go in and go Like I didn't
Speaker 2: even know what the movie was truly about. I just
Speaker 2: was the title was intriguing to me. And then I
Speaker 2: kept kind of like it was trying to pop into
Speaker 2: an algorithm and I'm like, you're messing up my therapy
Speaker 2: homeschooling algorithm Instagram, So get her out of here.
Speaker 1: But it was everywhere because they started going down rabbit holes.
Speaker 1: I guess so, And then what about you, Kramer, what's
Speaker 1: your opinion?
Speaker 2: Well, I think, how did my therapist say this? My
Speaker 2: only opinion goes to what I would hope that I
Speaker 2: would love the messaging to go to dB with media
Speaker 2: instead of talking about riffs and everything else, Like the
Speaker 2: movie is about domestic violence. I haven't seen the movie.
Speaker 2: A lot of things. I have a tough time watching movies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sure deal with domestic violence. Given my history with it. It
Speaker 2: was obviously very challenging to act and that the movie
Speaker 2: that I did this past summer, But I still have
Speaker 2: a tough time. And I had asked Sydney, who's our
Speaker 2: producer on the shows, like, hey, how heavy is the
Speaker 2: because from what I had just heard of things, it
Speaker 2: was more of a I thought it was kind of
Speaker 2: like a rom com bring a Girls to the movie,
Speaker 2: just kind of from what I've like was seeing and
Speaker 2: I love like Lively, So I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I really want to see the movie and she was like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's really heavy and DV and I'm like, oh, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll be able to watch it
Speaker 2: then yeah. And I started hearing, you know, stuff about
Speaker 2: the interviews, and for me, I was just like, it
Speaker 2: made me sad because I just want the messaging to
Speaker 2: be about domestic violence and how to help people and
Speaker 2: how to get help. And I think it's hard because
Speaker 2: when you're in interviews, they're going to ask the lead
Speaker 2: a bunch of questions. Like even when we were doing
Speaker 2: my very small movie in New York, they ask about everything,
Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate that you're just going to get certain
Speaker 2: clips like they asked about my wedding, they asked about this,
Speaker 2: they asked about that, and so, you know, and I
Speaker 2: talked about those things. So because that's in the interviews,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if people are just editing certain
Speaker 2: I have no idea. But to your point, the reason
Speaker 2: you may perceive it as a rom com is because
Speaker 2: of the way her interviews seem to have a common thread. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's just being edited that way,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that whole thing is I just
Speaker 2: literally just the only thing I will say is I
Speaker 2: think it's hard for people to talk about domestic violence
Speaker 2: when they haven't themselves been in real life had the
Speaker 2: hands of domestic violence on them. So for people to
Speaker 2: say it doesn't define you, it does define you. It's
Speaker 2: now it's not how do I say this any therapists, Well,
Speaker 2: it doesn't define you, but it has made me who
Speaker 2: I am. So though people can say it doesn't define you,
Speaker 2: it is one of the biggest pieces of me is
Speaker 2: domestic violence and has been the biggest thread in my life.
Speaker 2: So I just think instead of all the media outlet
Speaker 2: it's talking about riffs and this and that, I'm like,
Speaker 2: can we just get to the subject and educate people
Speaker 2: on what to do and those things? And I'm not
Speaker 2: this is this is this is nothing even against like
Speaker 2: because I have I have no real opinion about the
Speaker 2: everything else. I just can we just go to the
Speaker 2: messaging of how I man can get help and project
Speaker 2: this exists? Why exactly?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And it's okay to answer other questions in interview because
Speaker 2: interviewers ask other questions. They're gonna they're not just going
Speaker 2: to solely ask questions about domestic violence. It is then
Speaker 2: the media who's picking up the things that are not
Speaker 2: about and that's what makes me frustrated when I did
Speaker 2: my media outlet and this is in defense of Blake,
Speaker 2: because when I was doing again, a very small, not
Speaker 2: big movie, but people picked up, oh about her wedding
Speaker 2: and this, that and the other, and I'm like, where's
Speaker 2: the messaging of domestic violence that we talked about, and
Speaker 2: like that should have been the story, not the I'm
Speaker 2: going to be wearing this too. The It's like I
Speaker 2: talked about a really heavy subject and that's not even
Speaker 2: the headline because they don't care about that. Not even
Speaker 2: don't care about it, but they're not Like that's not
Speaker 2: the click that they're going to get. People want to
Speaker 2: click oh what, you know, if they're wearing kilts or something,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I think that's the Like I
Speaker 2: just wish with a heavy topic, the media would be
Speaker 2: talking about how people can get help and yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe Blake did talk about that a lot.
Speaker 1: I think the problem is is when people went back
Speaker 1: and dug in in the past, not even just about
Speaker 1: this movie, they found a lot of unflattering interview pieces,
Speaker 1: and then now that's become the story and now that's
Speaker 1: what everybody It did start with, like the riffs and
Speaker 1: like why is there a riff?
Speaker 4: Why are they not following? Which is so silly to me,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 2: It doesn't care about that.
Speaker 4: Now people can get out silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so silly.
Speaker 1: But I can see where this has manifested, and I
Speaker 1: hate it because it does overshadow the domestic violent stuff. However,
Speaker 1: I can understand why people are now going, wait, this
Speaker 1: wasn't okay what she did here and what she did
Speaker 1: there in certain interviews, So I can see both sides
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I will see you guys next week. On
Speaker 2: that note, love you guys. I'm bye. I love you.
Speaker 2: If you or someone you know needs help, call the
Speaker 2: Domestic Violence Hotline at one eight hundred seven ninety nine
Speaker 2: seven two three three. Help is available