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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. Garrett, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: break down the film a little bit here. I know

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Speaker 1: you big film guy, right.

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Speaker 2: Always, I watched the tape. I don't watch film, I

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Speaker 2: watch tape.

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Speaker 3: You watch the tape? Yeah, ALL twenty two? Or are

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Speaker 3: you watching the ALL twenty three?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 2: I do. It's like the hardcore football people like myself, like,

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Speaker 2: it's not just a film, it's a tape. We actually

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Speaker 2: have a tape to put it in the tape recorder

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Speaker 2: and we watch it that way, projector screen. That's how

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Speaker 2: me and the coaches do it.

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Speaker 3: You're in all those meetings.

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Speaker 2: I'm in all the meetings. I'm there front row, notepad

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Speaker 2: in hand, I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 1: All right and all seriousness. We want to kind of

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Speaker 1: talk about take the deep dive. You know, we gave

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Speaker 1: our instant reaction after the game. This is kind of

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Speaker 1: the deeper dive into what went down and what it

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Speaker 1: means moving forward. You know, we've also heard from John

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Speaker 1: Harball on Monday. We have some injury updates to talk about.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's dive right into it.

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Speaker 3: Garrett.

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Speaker 1: Uh, when I looked at the film, I mean a

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Speaker 1: we already knew that Zay Flowers had an awesome rookie debut.

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Speaker 1: When you watch the film, it's just funny to see

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Speaker 1: like the carnage that the man leaves in his wake

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Speaker 1: when he plays, Like you just see behind him, like

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Speaker 1: all these Texans defenders like taking each other out trying

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Speaker 1: to tackle this dude. I mean it was joystick on

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Speaker 1: full display.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think you saw some of

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Speaker 2: the juke moves. I mean, I can't remember if it

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Speaker 2: was his maybe his second catch very early in the game.

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Speaker 2: I mean there was there were just like guys kind

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Speaker 2: of diving at air trying to tackle him. And that's

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Speaker 2: the that's the ability that he brings. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: he did it in training camp when it was against

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Speaker 2: Ravens players. He did it in the joint practices against Washington.

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Speaker 2: He then did it in the preseason both preseason games

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Speaker 2: that he played in, and now he's continuing that to

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Speaker 2: the regular season. So like that's just who Zay Flowers is.

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Speaker 2: Like he's gonna be able to make guys miss. He's

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Speaker 2: great run after the catch. Clearly the Ravens went to

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Speaker 2: that game folk on getting him the ball and wanting

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Speaker 2: to get him up to speed on being in an NFL,

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Speaker 2: you know, wide receiver, and you know, I think that

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Speaker 2: they they're gonna want to feature him. They certainly did

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Speaker 2: in the opener. And all indications are that he's going

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Speaker 2: to be a featured piece of this offense moving forward,

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Speaker 2: not like maybe the featured piece of the offense from

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Speaker 2: a passing game. And yeah, I've mean, all signs are

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Speaker 2: very positive on him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that is one question moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Is you know he was a target's hog in week one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, dominated is that what you expect.

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Speaker 3: Week in and week out.

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Speaker 2: I would be surprised if he gets that share of

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Speaker 2: targets moving forward. I mean that just would surprise me,

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Speaker 2: giving all the other weapons that the Ravens have in

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Speaker 2: in this receiver room. They have Odell Beckham Junior, who

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Speaker 2: I expect to get. Like I said this in our

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Speaker 2: postgame podcast, like I was a little surprised that Odell

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Speaker 2: didn't get more targets. I would expect him to get

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Speaker 2: more moving forward. Also, like when they threw the ball

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Speaker 2: to Odell, good things happened. He had two catches and

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Speaker 2: he drew two pass interference penalties. So like the ball

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Speaker 2: to him, what good things are happening. Nelson Aguilar didn't

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Speaker 2: get a target. I would expect that to change. Devin

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Speaker 2: Duverney wasn't really involved at all in the.

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Speaker 3: Pass the big one.

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews wasn't on the field, Mark, and that's gonna

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Speaker 1: change his calculus a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So like I mean, I still expect Rashad Bateman. He

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Speaker 2: had a few, but I would expect him. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've said it a million times. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: there's one ball and a lot of talented players on

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Speaker 2: this offense, and so I do I think there's gonna

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Speaker 2: be certain games where certain guys become the target hog.

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Speaker 2: And I guess that was Zay in week one. But

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Speaker 2: I could see there being a game where Mark Andrews

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Speaker 2: think that could change from week to week, based on

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it's going to be Zay at

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Speaker 2: from week to week. Is that how you see it too?

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Speaker 2: That is how I see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I've been sick all week that

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Speaker 1: I didn't get Zay Flowers in my fancy football league.

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Speaker 3: Just sick. You know.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to get the bargain. I thought, Oh,

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Speaker 1: everybody's not gonna be as high on him as me.

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Speaker 1: I can wait, I'll get the steal. Some guy swiped

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Speaker 3: And I've been I've just been. I've been literally sick.

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Speaker 1: I've been barfing, and but I keep telling myself, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be this way every game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of mouths of feed. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of moles of feed in this Ravens offense. I

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Speaker 1: he can be that guy if the Ravens need him

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Speaker 3: Productive with that.

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Speaker 1: But I don't expect that that's gonna be his role

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Speaker 1: in you know, every week weekend, week out.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I just don't expect this to be an offense.

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Speaker 3: You see.

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Speaker 2: This is some offenses around the league where it's like,

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Speaker 2: all right, you know, Tyreek Hill's gonna get ten targets,

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Speaker 2: Like they're just gonna go to him ten times a

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Speaker 2: other guys, you know, like Cooper Cup when he's healthy,

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Speaker 2: like you know, he's gonna get ten targets. I don't

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Speaker 2: they want to get them evolved. Like I think that

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Speaker 2: I really got the sense, like coming out of the

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Speaker 2: we put our best foot forward out there. Lamar felt

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Speaker 2: like it was a start, But I don't think that

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know that we can draw too many

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Speaker 2: conclusions about what that first game means for what we're

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Speaker 2: going to see the rest of the season. Like, I

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Speaker 2: don't think I don't think Sunday's game against Houston is

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Speaker 2: the blueprint for the offense moving forward, and that includes

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Speaker 2: the number of targets as say Flowers Scott.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would agree.

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Speaker 1: One thing just from the notes that I thought was

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Speaker 1: interesting looking at next gen stats the Ravens use of personnel. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Right they used.

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Speaker 1: It was sixty nine percent of the time they had

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Speaker 1: three wide receivers on the field right now. The interesting

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Speaker 1: not like a tight end. Right, So the Ravens were

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Speaker 1: in twenty personnel. That's three wide receivers, zero tight ends,

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Speaker 1: tight end, but for their classification, he's not. They used

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Speaker 1: So just kind of an interesting note about personnel usage.

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Speaker 1: As we've expected, Todd Monkin's use of three wide receivers

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Speaker 3: We're talking sixty nine percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot, yeah, right, and so I expect that

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Speaker 1: I think that he'll kind of get more. He'll be

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Speaker 3: You don't know who's going to lead the team.

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Speaker 1: But watching the film of Zay Flowers Dynamic, well, another

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Speaker 1: play that stood out to me in film was this

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Speaker 1: it looked just it looked too easy.

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Speaker 3: This twenty yard out.

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Speaker 1: Which twenty yard out, that's that's a deep route, right,

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Speaker 1: Like he just snapped that thing back and it was

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that I do find kind of

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Speaker 2: interesting with Zay is the way the Ravens have used

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Speaker 2: him so far. It's on the short stuff and basically

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Speaker 2: you get the yards after the catch. And actually Jay

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Speaker 2: talk about next ten stats, sixty nine percent of his

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Speaker 3: Which I think a lot of that will continue.

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Speaker 2: I do, And I just wonder, like on the deep stuff,

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Speaker 2: gonna fake that short route and then go deep and

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Speaker 2: like that's the one that the Ravens need to hit.

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Speaker 2: Like it all kind of builds towards that, and you

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Speaker 2: need to have the thread of the deep ball only

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Speaker 2: I think that that's something that's that's to come. It's

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Speaker 2: just interesting because I haven't really seen the Raves take

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Speaker 2: too many deep shots to say, in certainly in the preseason,

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Speaker 2: some in practice, but it's been more of that short stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that deep ball is something that

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Speaker 1: Well, there's the two widers back to back wide receiver

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Speaker 1: second half. Yeah, they just they're just setting that up

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely agree. And he's going against his brother

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Speaker 1: I thought that he played really well, played well against

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Speaker 1: the run. You know, was got a lot of pressure,

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Speaker 1: consistent pressure from Madaf Aoway. So I was really encouraged

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Speaker 1: by what I saw from him. I mean, here's a

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Speaker 1: guy that the Ravens obviously need to break out in

443
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Speaker 1: year three, and I think that you're seeing he's taking

444
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Speaker 1: the steps towards doing that, right. I thought Jadeveon Clowney

445
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Speaker 1: played pretty darn well. Yeah, he had a couple of

446
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Speaker 1: sacks that kind of slipped through his fingertips. But I

447
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Speaker 1: thought that another physical guy on the edge, you know,

448
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 1: turned Damian Pierce. Demian Pierce did not have a good

449
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Speaker 1: day from a running standpoint, and I think that the

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Speaker 1: Ravens edge setters really kind of showed what they're all

451
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Speaker 1: about turning runs inside, and so I thought, I thought

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Speaker 1: Clowny played well. And then Najabo, of course, you know,

453
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Speaker 1: gets the sack strip, and so I thought it was

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Speaker 1: it was a good effort, good good debut for the

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Speaker 1: Ravens outside linebackers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Clowney, Like, I mean, there's it's no secret that

457
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Speaker 2: the guy's got enormous talent. He's shown that over the

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Speaker 2: course of his career. I mean, he's guy's number one

459
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Speaker 2: overall pick. The question on him has basically been staying

460
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Speaker 2: healthy in large measure. But man, like I I from

461
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Speaker 2: a debut standpoint, like I really like what I saw.

462
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Speaker 2: Of course, you want to see him get home, Like

463
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Speaker 2: you don't want to see the quarterbacks sneak out of

464
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Speaker 2: his grasp twice, But like for just being there in

465
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Speaker 2: the right spot and coming that close to making plays,

466
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Speaker 2: flushing the quarterback out of the pocket, he just seemed disruptive. Like,

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Speaker 2: I think disruptive is a good word for what I

468
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Speaker 2: saw from Clowney. I mean, I'm encouraged by him. Like

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Speaker 2: I think, if you go back to last year and

470
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Speaker 2: compare it. You know, he kind of is filling really

471
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Speaker 2: the JPP role, you know, as a late addition.

472
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Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna be better than JPP was.

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Speaker 3: I think you will too.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's one game, small sample size, but like

475
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Speaker 2: what I saw from that, he seemed like he had

476
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Speaker 2: some serious juice. He can really play well on the

477
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Speaker 2: wrong game. I just I just liked everything that I

478
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Speaker 2: saw from him. And if he comes out, if he

479
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Speaker 2: comes up with even one of those sacks, you know,

480
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Speaker 2: we're probably we're probably spilling a lot more ink on

481
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Speaker 2: him this week talking about how great of a signing

482
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Speaker 2: that was earlier in the year. If he comes up

483
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Speaker 2: with both of them, be like, Wow, this guy's you know,

484
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Speaker 2: turn the clock back. So I think that like really

485
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Speaker 2: good start for Clowney.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean this isn't a film. A note on the film,

488
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Speaker 1: but I would say off the field, Clowney is fitting

489
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Speaker 1: really well. And that was part of the question. I

490
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Speaker 1: think things kind of ended on a sour note in

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Speaker 1: Cleveland for him, and you know, how is he going

492
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Speaker 1: to fit in here in the Ravens locker room and everything.

493
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Speaker 1: It's been a plus. Dude seems like he's really happy

494
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Speaker 1: to be here. Uh, his teammates really seem to be

495
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Speaker 1: enjoying him. He's just he's really enjoying things.

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Speaker 3: You know.

497
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Speaker 1: He's playing with Anthony Weaver again, who he was with

498
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Speaker 1: in Houston years years back. And I think that sometimes

499
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Speaker 1: a change of scenery, sometimes the right environment, can really

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Speaker 1: make a big difference in a player, especially one as

501
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Speaker 1: talented as j Jadevion Clowney. And if he stays healthy,

502
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Speaker 1: you know, I think I think he could have a

503
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Speaker 1: pretty big year.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's made a lot of snaps too. Yeah, he did

506
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Speaker 3: a lot of snaps, especially for.

507
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Speaker 2: A guy who just got here. If you you know,

508
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Speaker 2: not he hasn't he wasn't there the entire training camp.

509
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Speaker 2: I think that that was good to that point. Like

510
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Speaker 2: I actually asked Hardball about that. I asked about it

511
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Speaker 2: in regards to Odell Beckham Junior, and then he actually

512
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Speaker 2: pointed out He's like it's actually the same with Clowney too,

513
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Speaker 2: Like these are both guys that hast you know, big

514
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Speaker 2: pedigrees and a lot of success in the league, and

515
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Speaker 2: they're well known players and they come here and like

516
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Speaker 2: they kind of get embraced by the locker room and

517
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Speaker 2: then they and then they basically start to feel like

518
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: they're at home right away, and it just it's a

519
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: good dynamic across the board, and so then you get

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Speaker 2: the best out of these players. I thought it was Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting to hear him basically say,

522
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Speaker 2: like from a personality, from a fit standpoint, like you

523
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: get veteran players that come in here, the system and

524
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: the foundation is kind of already in place. They get

525
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: welcome into that environment and then all of a sudden,

526
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Speaker 2: it just feels like, oh, we could do something special here,

527
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Speaker 2: Like this is a team that can compete for a

528
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Like everybody's moving in the same direction. Like

529
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Speaker 2: all of that is positive, and I think it's been

530
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Speaker 2: a great fit for Odell and for Clowning. All Right,

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Speaker 2: so let's take a quick break and then when we

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Speaker 2: come back, we'll continue discussing the film and then also

533
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Speaker 2: turn it ahead to this week's game against the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: so when you went through it, and also, by the way, listeners,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't done so, a lot of this is

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Speaker 2: coming from Little Plug here. Mike does a Raven's eye

549
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Speaker 2: view article every week where he does take a look

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Speaker 2: at the film and then points out some individual plays

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Speaker 2: and what that means for those players and just kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 1: So you know, one thing we do need to point

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Speaker 1: out is some of where the film wasn't as flattering.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, the Ravens run game didn't get

561
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Speaker 1: a whole lot going on the ground, and which was

562
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Speaker 1: interesting because they did get some lighter boxes, right, so

563
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Speaker 1: they had some six man you know, seven man fronts

564
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Speaker 1: from the Texans, who, by the way, the Texans were

565
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Speaker 1: those pass rushers. They were basically lining up in the slot.

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Speaker 1: It was it was like those guys were going wide

567
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Speaker 1: nine on a bunch of Will Anderson. Holy cow, guy

568
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Speaker 1: was like a corner slat corner lined up out there.

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Speaker 1: But like I do think the Ravens, it was a

570
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Speaker 1: little surprising to see them not have a ton of

571
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Speaker 1: success considering some of the fronts that they were getting,

572
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Speaker 1: as the Texans were kind of you know, they were

573
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Speaker 1: they were not playing as much thinking this was not

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Speaker 1: a Greg Roman offense that they were playing against right

575
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Speaker 1: where you saw a ton of loaded boxes. And so

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Speaker 1: I'll be interested to hear what Todd Munkin has to

577
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Speaker 1: say about that. We did see some interesting run concepts,

578
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Speaker 1: one called Crunch where the Ravens had two blockers offensive

579
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Speaker 1: lineman just immediately go to the second level. It was

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Speaker 1: interesting go back and watch the play. It was a

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Speaker 1: pretty it was the Gus Edwards thirteen yard run. Yep,

582
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Speaker 1: very pretty So go back and watch that one in

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Speaker 1: the Ravens iView article. But it will be interesting to see,

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Speaker 1: even with Dobbin's out now, how the Ravens improved their

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Speaker 1: run game success.

586
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, another area that they kind of struggle with pass

588
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: pro need to do a little bit better job against

589
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Speaker 1: the blitz some of that. It looked like there's a

590
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Speaker 1: snap count kind of issue on one of them where

591
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses really didn't didn't fire off the snap. It

592
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Speaker 1: was like almost like a backwards false start that contributed

593
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Speaker 1: to it, you know, just overload blitzes. I think the

594
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Speaker 1: Ravens need to have a little bit better answer of

595
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Speaker 1: having a quick solution there. You know, one of them,

596
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Speaker 1: it's like a Odell Beckham ran like a ten yard out,

597
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Speaker 1: you know, comeback kind of out is you know, it's

598
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Speaker 1: just Lamar needed a quicker throw there to make. So

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Speaker 1: I would bet that that's going to be a point

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Speaker 1: of emphasis this week. It's something we've talked a lot

601
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Speaker 1: about over the years, how Lamar faces and the Ravens

602
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: go face against cover zero blitzes. They need to make

603
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: that they need to make the opponent pay when they

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Speaker 1: do that. They did not do that against the Texans.

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Speaker 1: I would bet that's an emphasis this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that the like procedurally and and they

607
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: kind of talked about this. John Harbott talked about it

608
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: a little bit after the game and this week, like

609
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Speaker 2: I thought, operationally, they were a little bit sloppy at

610
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Speaker 2: times offensively, and I think that part of that was

611
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Speaker 2: rust and not playing in the preseason all that stuff.

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00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: I think on the protection front, that kind of plays

613
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Speaker 2: into that. If you've got a bunch of guys blitzing,

614
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Speaker 2: who's picking up which player, Some guys snuck through on

615
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: certain situations, and then that can make life tougher on

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Speaker 2: the quarterback like Lamar Lamar, the stats show like he

617
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Speaker 2: was really good when he had the time when they

618
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: brought the blitz, he was not as good. And so

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Speaker 2: to your point, that's something that they've got to clean

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Speaker 2: up because if you get we saw it. It was

621
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Speaker 2: really two years ago. We had the game against Miami

622
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Speaker 2: where they brought all those cover zero blitz and then

623
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Speaker 2: they saw a ton of a ton of that heavy

624
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Speaker 2: blitz stuff the rest of the year. And so if

625
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Speaker 2: you struggle against the blitz. Then that's what every team's

626
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Speaker 2: gonna do. And so the Ravens, to their credit, go

627
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Speaker 2: going back to last year. I thought they made some

628
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: real strides in that and they beat that cover zero blitz,

629
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Speaker 2: put up a ton of points against Miami again when

630
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Speaker 2: they played them last year, and so I think that

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Speaker 2: that they can they can figure that out. I put

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Speaker 2: that more on Like, I just think I attribute that

633
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Speaker 2: more than anything else to just week one sloppiness. Like

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Speaker 2: that's where I point to. There was some confusion about

635
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: who was doing what These guys are playing together for

636
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: the first the new offense, new system, don't have a

637
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: ton of reps together, new receivers, all this, Like I

638
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: just think that that that's what I attribute it to.

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00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: Now the challenge gets suffered this week, and so like, Okay,

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00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: you can get away with that a little bit in

641
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Week one against you know, against the Texans when especially

642
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Speaker 2: when you go up and you have a nice lead.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that you're gonna have that luxury

644
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: on the road against Bengals this week. So you know,

645
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: they've got to figure it out. I think you. I

646
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: think it's kind of a it's it's explainable why it happens,

647
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: but you got to get it fixed quickly because if

648
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: if you have those issues again, it's going to be

649
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: a challenge against Cincinnati. And then you add to that,

650
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: you might be going in there without Ronnie Stanley, without

651
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: Tyler Lindardbaulm. That's a real possibility.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, for sure. I mean, I'll say this,

653
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Speaker 1: I think that the Texans defensive front is pretty good

654
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: and like people are gonna come to recognize that as

655
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: the year goes on. I know, the Texans in general,

656
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: you know, they're coming off a rough year and there's

657
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: not high expectations for what they're going to do this year.

658
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: But this, Dimika Ryan's a knows how to coach defense totally.

659
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: They had some dogs up front. I thought Jonathan greenerd

660
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: is a pretty good player, and then they had the

661
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: number three overall pick, Will Anderson, Right, good player.

662
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I do think that.

663
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: You know, yes, the the Bengals are as an overall

664
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: team or a tougher challenge, right, You're gonna have to

665
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: potentially score more than twenty five points. You're gonna have

666
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: to play better against the Bengals to beat them overall.

667
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like.

668
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: This, this Texans front is tough, and so I just

669
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Speaker 1: don't want I think that that should be not discounted.

670
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Speaker 2: How much do you think that Ravens held back like

671
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: monkey in first game?

672
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: Offensively?

673
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, offentially, did he hold things back to new system

674
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: they will for most of the second half. They just

675
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: you could kind of turn them all handed off.

676
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, I think that he didn't want to show.

677
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to show all your cards

678
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: week one period, you just can't. He's got too many cards.

679
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I think that there was particularly you know,

680
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: when they go they go down and score touchdowns on

681
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: back to back drives, and you have a pretty good lead,

682
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: you don't you don't want to show too much more

683
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of keep the Bengals guessing. I'm sure the Ravens

684
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: are well aware.

685
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: Of who is on deck.

686
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know the schedule.

687
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they know the schedule well.

688
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: And again like once you get once you get the lead.

689
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: In that situation, dr AMA's defense is playing really well.

690
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, you're up, you're up by a couple

691
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 2: of scores. Year, no need to empty the playbook here

692
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: in week one, Like let's just you know, you can

693
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: be a little bit conservative, lean on the ground game

694
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: and and then holds to some things back knowing you're

695
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: going to Cincinnati in a week.

696
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

697
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Uh. One other one other thing that I do want

698
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: to point out Patrick Ricard, who we've talked about a

699
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: lot this offseason, and does he have a role in

700
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: the offense and all that stuff. The answer is yes,

701
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: The answer is definitively yes. Still saw you know, it

702
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: wasn't the snap share that he had last year. It

703
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: certainly at its peaks, but he still saw a healthy

704
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: amount of snaps, right.

705
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: I think he played forty percent of the snaps.

706
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: And then you see back to back plays when the

707
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: Justice Hill punches in a two yard touchdown run. The

708
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: second of those two yard touchdown runs, who's the who's

709
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: spearheading that blocking project?

710
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: Pat?

711
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: Right, and so you know, still using him coming across

712
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: formations in a fullback slash tight end role. Still the

713
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: physical hammer at the point of attack. It's still a

714
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: very important part of this offense.

715
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually think he could if Ronnie Stanley misses

716
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: any games, then I think that he could actually have

717
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: an even bigger role during that time because in that situation,

718
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm assuming Pat McCarey steps into left tackle. McCarry can

719
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: do the job. I mean, he stepped in and held

720
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: his own, but it's a tough it's tough moving into

721
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: that role, and Ryne Stanley's one of the best in

722
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: the league. So I think that in that situation, I

723
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: think that Ricard actually could be used to help kind

724
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: of chip some of these and just for be essentially

725
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: an extra offensive lineman at times against some talented edg rushers.

726
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: I could see that being how the Ravens use him,

727
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: bring in an extra blocker if your offensive line is

728
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: short handed, and I think he maybe could see even

729
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: an increase in snaps, and even if the snap count

730
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: is the same, I think that he could just be

731
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: used in a different way. And that's one of the

732
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: views of him. You can line up in the backfield,

733
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: he can catch a little bit. He can catch a

734
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: little bit coming out of the backfield or as a

735
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: tight end. But I think he would basically be used

736
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: as your sixth offensive lineman if Stanley's out for any

737
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: period of time.

738
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

739
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean I think that he's not gonna be They're

740
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: not gonna be double teaming guys routinely with he and

741
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: McCarry and McCarry I think is just gonna have to

742
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: be trusted yep, you know, and he's played a lot

743
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: of left tackle unfortunately, you know, Rodney Stanley's missed a

744
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: fair amount of time. But sure, yeah, I think that

745
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: like in certain situations, he could see a little.

746
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: Bump in the snap count. Yeah, I agree with that.

747
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: So the other thing I just want to get your

748
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: take on as we look ahead to the Bengals is

749
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: in the secondary, so you have no Marlon Humphrey. Ronald

750
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: Darby ends up getting the start at corner and plays

751
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: pretty well. Rockessine, you know, Rock You Scene basically didn't

752
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 2: play much and Darby ended up winning that job. Now,

753
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: John Harball did say on Monday that they expect Rock's

754
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: snaps to increase moving forward. I don't know if that

755
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: means this week, and I don't know he's just talking

756
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: about the season as a whole, but they do expect

757
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: Rocket Scene to see more action over over the course

758
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: of time. Part of that probably depends on how Darby

759
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: holds up, how he looks, and when Marlon gets back

760
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: on the field. But basically, like it was, Brandon Stevens

761
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: stepped in for Marlin and then it was Ronald Stevens

762
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: play one hundred percent of the snaps, and then Darby

763
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: stepped in on the other side and ended up winning

764
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: that job and played the bulk of the snaps. So

765
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: this week it's a much much tougher assignment. Even though

766
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: the Bengals struggled in Week one, I'm not gonna be fooled.

767
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make too many snap judgments on that one.

768
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: We've seen how good that offense could be. They just

769
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: made Joe Burrow the highest paid player in NFL history,

770
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: and they've got T Higgins and Jamar Chase out on

771
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: the edge.

772
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: So they got after Burrow from a past rusher standpoint.

773
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, yep, and Zadarius got after him. So if

774
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: the Ravens can duplicate that, that would be very helpful.

775
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I like the sound of that. But yeah,

776
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 2: so it's gonna get tough around this corners for sure,

777
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: with Jamar Chase and Ti Higgins, like, kind of what

778
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: are your thought? And those guys holding up? And I

779
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: guess a much tougher assignment.

780
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think they just they have to keep

781
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: a lid on him again, you know, That's what the

782
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: Ravens did so well against the Bengals last year.

783
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow didn't.

784
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Throw for over two hundred and twenty yards in any

785
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: of the three games, So the Ravens did a really

786
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: good job of kind of keeping a lid on There's

787
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: no doubt that Burrow wants to go deep, he wants

788
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: to hit big plays right, and so the Ravens have

789
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: to crack down on that. They have to tackle really well.

790
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: There's also no doubt and how good Jamar Chase can

791
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: be with the ball in his hands and making people miss.

792
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Ask Marlon Humphrey about that one. Yep, you know they

793
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: they've seen that, and so they have to tackle well.

794
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: Good news.

795
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens tackled really well. Do you drop the hammer

796
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: a couple of times? So they have to continue that.

797
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: Ronald Darby I thought tackled really well too. I mean

798
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: I think he had three stops at or behind the

799
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, so he tackled well. They have that

800
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: has to continue against the Bengals. They played pretty conservatively

801
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: against against Houston. They didn't want to give up the

802
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: big play. Under standable against the opponent. Basically, you're like

803
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: you know what, rookie quarterback this offense, you're gonna have

804
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: to march, You're gonna have to go the whole distance

805
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: if you're gonna put it in the end zone, in

806
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: which they did in all game. Right, So they played

807
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: pretty conservatively, didn't want to let them get over top,

808
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: and they gave up, you know, a fair amount of

809
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: underneath the completions. Robert Woods had a decent day, but

810
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: I think that was in part because the Ravens were saying,

811
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: all right, we'll give you the underneath stuff.

812
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: Well that's what like, Okay, I'll give up. You don't

813
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: want to give up fifteen yard completions ten yard completions consistently,

814
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: but ten yard completion is much better than a forty

815
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: yard completion, and that's the ones you really don't want

816
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: to give up, especially when you're especially when you're up

817
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: late in a game, like you just keep things in

818
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: front of.

819
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: You, right, So I would expect kind of a similar

820
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: strategy this week against the Bengals.

821
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: That's what I would expect.

822
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Now, you know, keep keeping things, Keeping a cap on

823
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: things is easier said than done, you know, I mean,

824
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Williams being out with his pack injury Geno Stone

825
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: stepping in. Like Gino has played a lot of football, right,

826
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: but Marcus Marcus Williams is a different kind of guy.

827
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: You know, opponents, opponents think twice about going deep when

828
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: he's out there, so the Bengals might be more willing

829
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: to take their shots.

830
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcus Williams changes the way that the defense can play,

831
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: Like there's no question about it. He can just be

832
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: He's got great ballhawk ability and I think that I

833
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 2: think that opposing quarterbacks don't want to look in his direction,

834
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: like they don't want to throw deep balls where he

835
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: can come down with it. And so when he's not

836
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: out there, it changes. I like Geno Stone and his

837
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: ability to be at the right place at the right time,

838
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have the ball skills that Marcus Williams has.

839
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: There's a reason that Marcus just one of the highest

840
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: paid safety's in the game. So if him not being

841
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: out there, I think like him not being out there

842
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: is of all the injuries that the Ravens had, I

843
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: mean it's tough. You know, they had some marquee players

844
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: get banged up in Week one, him listening missing a

845
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: considerable amount of time is the one that just really

846
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: stings because, as I've already, they're already little short handed

847
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: in the secondary, and he just brings something different than

848
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: they have. I mean, he's he's just he is a

849
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: game changer. Marcus Williams is a game changer, and not

850
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: having him out there is hard for this defense. I

851
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: like Gino's ability to kind of steady the ship and

852
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: again be the right place at the right time, but

853
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: Marcus Williams is just dynamic.

854
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean all of them.

855
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Think I don't like losing, right, I know, I don't

856
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: like a lot of Roddy Staley's when he's healthy, he's

857
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: a pretty darn good player. He had some struggles against

858
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: the Texans and those good pass rushers, but let's be honest,

859
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley is a very good player.

860
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: I know it's hard.

861
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 3: And Lindy Man was like the best. I mean all

862
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: of them, all of them.

863
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: Jak, I mean I ever send that statement they all stink.

864
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

865
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's tough to say which one's the toughest

866
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: one of the bunch. But anyway, I think the Ravens, Hey,

867
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: I think Marlon Humphrey is going to be back fairly soon.

868
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be much longer. I wouldn't.

869
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: Does he have a chance for this week?

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Speaker 1: John Harball said, yes, got a chance, So we'll see

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Speaker 1: if he's out of practice here, but uh, that'll be

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Speaker 1: interesting to watch. And then and then I think Ardarius

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Speaker 1: Washington also played pretty done well. So, like you know,

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Speaker 1: once they get Marlin back, I think the secondary starts to.

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Speaker 3: Look a whole lot better.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully, keep your fingers crossing Marcus Williams. Is it out

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Speaker 1: for the whole year? You know, if he doesn't undergo

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe he could be back, you know, later

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the hope.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fingers crossed.

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