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Speaker 3: Podcast Network. It is Saturday, December sixteenth, and we are

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Speaker 3: And most importantly right now, a Minnesota Timberwolves fan.

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Speaker 2: Nif thanks for hopping on with us.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me again. It's always good to be

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Speaker 5: We appreciate you making the time other So, how is everything, man?

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Speaker 5: You know, we're gonna do a little deeper dive into

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Speaker 5: into your your Timberwolves fandom of the moment of this season,

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Speaker 5: you know, but we just want to get like this

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Speaker 5: a broad over you. How are you feeling about the

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Speaker 5: season right now? Y'all are on top of the world,

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Speaker 5: right Yeah, I haven't. I've never felt better.

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Speaker 4: I haven't felt this good since uh the KG MVP season,

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Speaker 4: and even that, even that felt I probably feel better

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Speaker 4: honestly because the KG MVP season was kind of like

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Speaker 4: a crescendo of a of a moment, you know, KG

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Speaker 4: was kind of this This felt entirely unlikely. Uh so

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm on cloud nine. I'm on cloud nine

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Speaker 4: cautiously right now. You know.

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Speaker 3: For sure, I've never those words have never been spoken

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Speaker 2: I'm cautiously on cloud nine. I love.

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Speaker 1: This feels more real than other Timberwolves, you know, teams

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Speaker 1: so successful moneses right though, Yeah, yeah, it does.

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Speaker 4: It feels more real in part because you know they're

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Speaker 4: they're also I think after that Celtics win early in

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Speaker 4: the season, I thought it could be real. Then they've

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Speaker 4: they've gotten some luck. They've gone against some folks who

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Speaker 4: you know, are like missing players and all that. But

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Speaker 4: the defense, I think it's the defense looks real. The

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Speaker 4: Minnesota has not looked real for at least like two

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Speaker 3: It's like stuff like this just comes out of nowhere

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Speaker 2: Don't give him the fucking ball.

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Speaker 2: Trying to stop a full speed Giannis.

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Speaker 2: They don't pay you have to try.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's for real. That's the thing is like,

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Speaker 4: no matter what the salary is, it's not enough for that.

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Speaker 4: It's not enough. It's interesting because no one really interviewed

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Speaker 4: Oscar she way.

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Speaker 2: Oscar she way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No one actually really talked to him like did

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Speaker 5: We know we know it was bullshit because they played

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Speaker 2: Turned right, No one is is I don't. I don't

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Speaker 5: Saying well, technically I didn't count the game, but so

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Speaker 5: that's not technically my first point. No, motherfucker, you were

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Speaker 2: Those are your first NBA points brost points.

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Speaker 4: I don't need the ball. The pacers Be and Petty

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get you. And he's like, no, no, it's good,

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Speaker 4: the ball. It was so bizarre because one, I've never

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Speaker 4: And also the other funny part about that angle with

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Speaker 2: He don't play me on big bro. Bro.

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Speaker 1: I saw Shaw the video getting slammed in the ground

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Speaker 1: especially your brother, Bro.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Brother, he always ready for

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Speaker 5: your whole family's life.

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Speaker 2: Bro, he's not in.

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Speaker 1: You know, but he's still Yeah, I'm gonna say that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah. You know.

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Speaker 5: My whole thing is is I don't get the people

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Speaker 5: I love how ridiculous it is. I love how everyone

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Speaker 5: I don't care how we get to a robbery as

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. But then there'd be some

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Speaker 5: going in the in the post game, you know, talking

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Speaker 5: And like I said, I just love how everyone is

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Speaker 5: get there. And I hope we get a match up

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Speaker 4: Said like an assistant coach got his rent broken or something, right,

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Speaker 4: I felt like a little bit, it felt like a

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but yeah, but way no, no, he

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Speaker 5: should have he should have said, his old ass out

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Speaker 2: Once you see seven foot Gianna's, you know what a mission.

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Speaker 5: It's time to sit your old ass down, dog, Like,

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Speaker 5: why are you hopping out there on the front lines

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Speaker 5: in front of that?

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Speaker 3: He laid it on so thick he was like he

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Speaker 1: So that happened, carlile Man, if they would have played,

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Speaker 1: how do you think that series would go? I think

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Speaker 1: it's probably five or six, bro, You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I think I fun if fun five or six?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: I don't think listen, if you're gonna get the pissed

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Oh, it's gonna be light work. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be like the Pacers can't gun anybody. It's

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Speaker 4: gonna be light work either way. I mean, they granted

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Speaker 4: that's showing in the n season tournament, was right. They

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Speaker 4: can't defend. I mean they fuckers are giving up like

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Speaker 4: defend on the three point line, they can't defend on

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Speaker 2: Did you see the chart. It's just it's one circle

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Speaker 2: every touching the other. You know what I mean. Don't

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Speaker 2: dunk dunk dunk.

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Speaker 4: I think the thing with the Pacers is they're they're

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Speaker 4: kind of like it's funny because Tyrese Halliburton got traded

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Speaker 4: they're fun. I love watching them. I'm literally going to

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Speaker 5: I love how the Pixels winning got MMA or James

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Speaker 3: I mean the shot chart, Gianni's shot chart looks like

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Speaker 3: the strategy for sure. I'm glad we all morally agree

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Speaker 2: To me, it was like Oscar Sheboy, did you know

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Speaker 5: That's that's not a good old fashioned rookie Hayes there

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Speaker 5: right there, bro, Like, sometimes you gotta take them up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you's got to get you can, man, that's how

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Speaker 3: Okay, not the only story, not the only uh uh

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Speaker 4: Can I ask a sub question that is only tangential

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00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 4: because his name got put up? Do y'all think Jordan

435
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 4: Coole can play basketball?

436
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:17,439
Speaker 3: Like?

437
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,119
Speaker 4: Just straight up?

438
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 2: In what context? I think it? Can? I think? And

439
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,560
Speaker 2: who I think can? Who? I don't think he can

440
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: play basketball?

441
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 4: Right?

442
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,439
Speaker 2: I think it's I think the way he plays.

443
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 1: He's out here, just he's out here hooping like he's

444
00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,000
Speaker 1: playing twenty one. He's not playing basketball is if there's

445
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,000
Speaker 1: Zebras and four other players on his team out.

446
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,159
Speaker 4: There, you know what I mean, I really struggle to

447
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:36,680
Speaker 4: see it. I know that when he was at Golden State,

448
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 4: I saw the same things. I mean, I saw the

449
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 4: same shit everybody else saw. I was like, this is

450
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,280
Speaker 4: a player. I've watched a couple of those Wizards games

451
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,280
Speaker 4: this year and I'm like, what is this motherfucker doing?

452
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's true. You're right, he's hooping. He's

453
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 4: just hooping, which I mean, yeah, I gotta I have

454
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 4: a song.

455
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it good vibes? It's bad.

456
00:19:53,920 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 5: It's bad vibes, right, But you know that's just kind

457
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 5: of the like bro like Warriors basketball kind of it

458
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 5: polishes guys up a bit, you know what I mean. Like, like, granted,

459
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 5: we saw, we saw the groundwork for.

460
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 2: The way that he was gonna play this season.

461
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 5: Happened, right, Like he was a guy who would go rogue,

462
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 5: who would frustrate the shit out of his Warriors teammates,

463
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,439
Speaker 5: But that was because he was going off script. He

464
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 5: wasn't doing what he was supposed to do with the

465
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 5: scheme call for and shit like that, right, he was

466
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 5: just going rogue. But now, like you know, there is

467
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 5: no playbook, There is no such thing as Wizards culture,

468
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. So he's just got free

469
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 5: rein out there. Like you gotta understand, the Warriors are

470
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 5: someone who turned JaVale McGhee into a high IQ player,

471
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 5: right like Warriors basketball Warriors coach is a very real thing,

472
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 5: and it couldn't get through to him, and that's probably

473
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Speaker 5: why they cut times.

474
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Speaker 1: I think it did get through to him. He had

475
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: a bad moment in these last playoffs though he looked

476
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: great for virtually for a year and a half solid

477
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: and then this last playoffs he didn't look as good,

478
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think part of

479
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: them falling apart is they put a lot in Jordan

480
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 1: Poole as well, and that didn't work out. That got

481
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: rid of him, and you know what I mean, so

482
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: as well as commit other players not stepping them how

483
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 1: they plan.

484
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just also think basketball, we look at it,

485
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: you know, we see it on the same screen and

486
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 3: you see roughly the same things happening in each game.

487
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: But more than any other pro sport, pro team sport

488
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 3: in America, it's so individualized and some individuals at their job,

489
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: whether it's like writing or playing basketball, benefit from structure

490
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 3: and lots of direction and like because the Warriors culture

491
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: has not worked out for some players too, Right, That's

492
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Speaker 3: like it's not just that you put him there and

493
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 3: they raise everyone by ten points on.

494
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 2: Two k or something like that.

495
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 3: Like he seems to benefit from and you can feel

496
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: him chafing against it almost like physically sometimes the structure

497
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,239
Speaker 3: of what the Warriors were running. And yeah, then you

498
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: just kind of like open the fence and say go

499
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 3: run free. And like he and Khu's are creating a

500
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: Wizard's culture. It's just not the culture you would want

501
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: to be on Twitter every night, probably right.

502
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: I think he's also.

503
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 5: He's that guy with Arenas fucking error bro that Wizards culture.

504
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 4: Wizards culture is niggas bringing guns in the locker.

505
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: Room, niggas shit in his shoes, Gilberterena shatting. He set

506
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: in a motherfucker shoe, bro because he owed him money

507
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: from a car game. He dropped a load in a

508
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: motherfucker shoes. Who happen You're gonna make me?

509
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 5: Google Printon might have put that motherfucking the dirt he

510
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 5: brought the.

511
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: Gun for I think he owed Javar's money, right, is that?

512
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: What is that why he.

513
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 5: Got to the plane, to the card games on the plane,

514
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 5: like that was the genesis.

515
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: But I've been angry enough to endanger my own life

516
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 3: several times. I've never been angry enough to.

517
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Speaker 1: Involve and Jackson's Jackson said, Andre blast, Yeah, damn.

518
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 3: Have y'all ever been angry enough to involve poop in

519
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 3: your response to something.

520
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 4: Someone else's shoe?

521
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: We don't have his mind, though, he has to their mind,

522
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? That was probably the first

523
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: thought he had, you know what I mean? That would

524
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: be like the twenty seventh to mine.

525
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to go through a you know what

526
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, a roller dex of thoughts prior.

527
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was probably the first thought he had.

528
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: The I think the place of.

529
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean shot. Shouldn't nobody shoot for for any reason,

530
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 4: but certainly not for revenge.

531
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Speaker 2: It's just wild, bro.

532
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: The last point on Draymond I want to make because

533
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: he's brought it up and I've I've kind of thought

534
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 3: similar things, is it does feel a little bit like

535
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: the responses have bit interesting, right, Like like even Rudy

536
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: Gobert like everyone is like coming out.

537
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: Like we're very concerned for Draymond.

538
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: And I do think there's a because like as a society,

539
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: especially as society that only has conversations on like algorithmically

540
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: polarized social media platforms, we have to go all the

541
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 3: way over here or all the way over here, right,

542
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: there's no like middle ground. And I shared Tyler sentiments.

543
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 3: I think it's wonderful that we're taking a mental health

544
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: first approach with Draymond. But I do feel like very

545
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 3: much that is just sort of a buzzword for a

546
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: lot of people that's being used to absolve it, and

547
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: like he's got mental health issues moving on and then

548
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: like when he comes back, will say they fixed the

549
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: mental health issues, you.

550
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: Know, or whatever.

551
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: And I just there was some of that around, you

552
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: know what John Morant was doing too. Like I mean,

553
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: and we've talked about on the podcast. We most of

554
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 3: us know friends who've done stupid stuff involving guns or

555
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 3: involved or affiliated in some way. It doesn't like absolve

556
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: them from not making stupid decisions, right, Like, you know,

557
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: you can't say, like I have an addiction to showing

558
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 3: a gun on IG Live. You can't say I have

559
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: an addiction to smacking this shit out of foreign bigs

560
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 3: in basketball.

561
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: Games when I'm frustrated.

562
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: So, but if I'm kind of curious for your thoughts

563
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: on that, Like, we do have to create a society

564
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: where mental health is more considered and factored in than

565
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: it currently is. But it can' be like anytime someone

566
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: is recklessly out of control as like, oh it's a

567
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 3: mental health issue, We're not going to think about that

568
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: any further. We're just going to like move on, right.

569
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: I mean, is there is there a middle ground there

570
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: of some sort?

571
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's building a foundation that one actually

572
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 4: allows the person in question in the autonomy to discuss

573
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 4: what they're feeling or going through instead of allowing and

574
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 4: sometimes demanding the public to affix a broad spectrum of

575
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 4: mental health crisis capital m capital h capital c upon

576
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: someone else because we don't know, we don't know anything

577
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 4: about what Raymond was going on in his head. He

578
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 4: gave that Ramona Shellburn interview last night or yesterday that

579
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 4: was not clarifying at all because he essentially was like

580
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 4: I go out there sometimes I flip out. I don't

581
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 4: know what time it is anymore. It's like, man, that

582
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: doesn't tell me anything like that. Then who knows. Maybe

583
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 4: Draymond needs to go on some kind of journey that

584
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 4: clarifies for himself whatever his mental health machinery is. But

585
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: I don't think we aid him on that journey as people,

586
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: as fans, as witnesses, We don't aid him on that journey.

587
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 4: We don't enliven or enlighten that journey by just saying, well,

588
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 4: he's got mental health issues because we don't know, Like

589
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 4: we genuinely don't know. And it's hard because I think

590
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: the nature of mental health in sport particularly is just

591
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: so you know, like I remember when Ben Simmons, when

592
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: people were like, you know, when Ben Simmons is like,

593
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 4: I'm struggling mentalth, people are like, I'll get a fuck

594
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 4: out of here. It's like, no, I mean, like I

595
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: think something something, that motherfucker might really be struggling with

596
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 4: his mental health if we're just like looking at the

597
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 4: profile of his behaviors on the court, you know what

598
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 4: I mean. And so I think this idea of I

599
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: don't like this player, where I'm frustrated with this player,

600
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 4: or I don't want to believe anything this player is

601
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 4: presenting as an excuse to and I do think that

602
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: mental health can't be used as absolution. But I also

603
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 4: think that folks who are in a place to determine

604
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 4: for themselves what they are going through need to have

605
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: the autonomy to do that publicly. And I don't think

606
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: the way that I know that his fellow players and

607
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 4: his peers are talking about him with a sense of concern.

608
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: But I do worry outside. I mean, I can't lie

609
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 4: that the Nurkic quote that brother needs help, that that

610
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 4: that graphic is like an all time Yeah, that's gonna be.

611
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: It's the classic being right there. Outside of that, you know,

612
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: like I'm wondering if this accumulation of like I'll hope

613
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: you get to help me needs but without really verifying

614
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: what that means, you know, I don't know. I thought

615
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 4: the go Bear thing was interesting where he was like,

616
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: I feel empathetic, listen all love for that if someone

617
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: had me in a choke hold like less than you know,

618
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: like a fortnight ago. I don't know if I'm ana

619
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 4: be I don't know if I am going to reach

620
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 4: a point of forgiveness that quickly.

621
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm shitting in his shoe personally. I mean, that's why

622
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: I go to move immediately.

623
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think Godbird knows that, you know,

624
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 5: killing him with con this might be the way to

625
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 5: get under Draymond's skin a bit too, right, Like, I

626
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 5: I think he knows that that Draymond's a guy who

627
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 5: likes his fire met with fire, you know what I'm saying,

628
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 5: And he knows that if he comes I like, bro, like,

629
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: why do you care about me more than I care

630
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: about you?

631
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: Like?

632
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: You know, that probably would dig that dream out of

633
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: it too.

634
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 5: But but but to your point, inn if like you know,

635
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 5: these mental health issues, it's such an uphill battle to

636
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 5: fight because for so many people, if there is not

637
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 5: a line of empathy that they can you know, traverse

638
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 5: to to from themselves to the person that's in you know,

639
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 5: in the discussion, that they have no you know, empathy

640
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: for them, they have no you know, sympathy for them.

641
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 5: They have no no, no concern for them. And and

642
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: especially with professional athletes, it's like, bro, you're making one

643
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 5: hundred million dollars, what are you sad about?

644
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: What is going on with?

645
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: Like?

646
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

647
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 5: So, so that's always a batter of fight, especially with people,

648
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 5: you know, prominent people who are you know, athletes and

649
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 5: such so, but yeah, you know, it just comes back

650
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: to like I said, I've never quite seen a suspension

651
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 5: given out like this that is so focused on the

652
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Speaker 5: rehabilitative aspects. So I'm very much invested in how this

653
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Speaker 5: plays out over time.

654
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

655
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: Well, the you make a great point on mental health

656
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 3: and pro sports, which are are in my opinion, they

657
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: are inherently incompatible sort of thing in many regards. But

658
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: like John and I have talked about this quite a bit,

659
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: as like fathers. So I'm in Long Beach, I'm like

660
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: two miles that way from where Earl Woods was like

661
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 3: duck taping a golf club to his three year old's hand,

662
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: and I'm like six miles that way from where Venus

663
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: and Serena's dad was basically doing the same thing with

664
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 3: a tennis racket. If I saw that happening today, and

665
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: I'm a sportswriter in Long Beach so I cover high

666
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: school youth sports as well, I would see those parents

667
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: and go that is abusive and horrible and I don't

668
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: like it. And I know as a sports writer that,

669
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: especially in individual sports, it's sort of the crucible that

670
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: creates like there is not really an individual sport world

671
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: champion that does not have that has what we would

672
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: consider to be a healthy journey mentally and regarding their sport.

673
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan, the only place that his brain has a context.

674
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: That succeeds is in a professional sport.

675
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: Right.

676
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: It's not compatible with being a husband or a father

677
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: or like necessarily a loving member of a community. But

678
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: I think that is sort of the inherent challenge of

679
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: sports for those of us who do care about Yeah,

680
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: those are listen. This is wild that you bring that up, Mike,

681
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: because recently did I say this.

682
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 4: I'll say it. I'm sure she did not listen to

683
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: this show, or I hope she does, but maybe she doesn't.

684
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: I was recently on a date with someone who maybe

685
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: is a listener, but perhaps not if she is, you

686
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 4: know what I mean. I say that because she was.

687
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: There's a reason when we're saying that I.

688
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: Won't Yeah, yeah, we don't less all play with you.

689
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: Nonetheless, I was explaining a drill like these drills in

690
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: my basketball Cluch had me doing when I was a kid,

691
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: you know, kind of like these passing drills in the

692
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: gym and the lights around and you have to kind

693
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: of the red light got to pass to the red light,

694
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: you know, and I was explaining it. I was like, yeah,

695
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: I had to do that when I was really small,

696
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: and I was explaining how it went, and she was like,

697
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: that sounds really fucked up, you.

698
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: Know, like that sounds like the red room in Russia

699
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: for like training.

700
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like, oh, that I guess. So

701
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But like all of us

702
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: who grew up playing sports, you know, like I grew up,

703
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: I grew up playing basketball, I grew up playing soccer.

704
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: I grew up playing soccer at a very intense level.

705
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: And when I think about just like some of the

706
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: drills that my club soccer coach had to do, Like

707
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: if I were to explain those out loud to a

708
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: person now, they would be like, that is fucking outrageous.

709
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: But to me, those are things that define my you know,

710
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: the shape that I took as an athlete. Also, you know,

711
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: if the if the person went on date with is

712
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: a listener, Hi, how are you doing.

713
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: If not?

714
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: When you should become a Listeners.

715
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: Subscribers one at a time.

716
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Speaker 1: So are y'all saying the mindset it takes to be

717
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: successful in the sport doesn't give you the space to

718
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: focus on mental health or the culture of sports.

719
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't give you the space.

720
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Speaker 5: I think there's an unspoken understanding that you have to

721
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 5: suppress that ship, like I mean, I mean, I mean

722
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 5: talking drills.

723
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: We all ran suicide drills. Like do they still call

724
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: them ships that anymore?

725
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 5: Like like and and and and and yeah, and and

726
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 5: and and and The connotation there was, Bro, you need

727
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: to go out there and you need to give it

728
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 5: your all, even if it kills you.

729
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: Fuck how you personally feel comfortable. You know within.

730
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 5: Yourself you need to go out there and try to

731
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: fucking die, you know what I'm saying, to get this

732
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: ship done, to achieve the goals of it of us.

733
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: So it's always been like an unspoken understanding that you know,

734
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 5: you got to suppress that ship and go out and

735
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 5: and you know, you know, lay it all out for

736
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 5: your team.

737
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: I think me and you were actually watching the heat

738
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: play in New Orleans and for I think was Batty,

739
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: a who didn't chase a ball fast enough. And we

740
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: were in the hotel and I said, you need to

741
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: die for.

742
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 6: That bad You said, you needn't die for that ship.

743
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 6: Remember that, because that tip brou needed that tip. Die

744
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 6: for that loose ball, my nigga. But yeah, so hey,

745
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 6: that's that.

746
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 7: And I'm somebody that's in therapy and a mental health

747
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 7: advocate and I'm yelling die for that when watching basketball,

748
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 7: you know what I mean.

749
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a different Listen.

750
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Speaker 1: We all watched that Kagi d as Mike, and Mike says,

751
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, good old Kagy.

752
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: Right boy, we all watched the Last Dance, you know

753
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: what I mean, And like, there are parts of the

754
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: Last Dance where we watched Michael Jordan's teammates look at

755
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: the camera and say, this motherfucker was out of his mind.

756
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: And then we watched Michael Jordan look in the camera

757
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: and in so many words express to us, I was

758
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: out of my motherfucking mind.

759
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: And we cried exactly like it's beautiful. That's fucking beautiful.

760
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: We watch that like that is beautiful. That is what

761
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: the high We watch Michael Jordan say I invented a

762
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: reason in my hand to make an enemy out of

763
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: this guy who complimented me, and we were like that's what. Yeah, right,

764
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: So it's like this thing where I think and I'm

765
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 4: guilty of this as someone who's been in therapy at

766
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: this point for all of my adult life. I look

767
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: at sports as a container for this kind of psychosis,

768
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: maybe where competitiveness overwhelms all and it's achieved. You know,

769
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan in the Last Chance talking about like he

770
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: didn't understand how someone could not play with the micra,

771
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 4: It's like, motherfucker, you are out of your mind, right,

772
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 4: And we can watch that and say, but but he's

773
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 4: also the greatest competitor who's ever lived, and so there's

774
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: we can absolve. That is what real absolution is where

775
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 4: we can look at a guy like Michael Jordan or

776
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: someone like Tom Brady or these folks and say, well,

777
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: in order to get to that level, one has to

778
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: be one has to have a brain that is not

779
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 4: like any other brain. And the question is at what costs?

780
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, like what actual cost? Because

781
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: it's different like I'm just the guy who writes some

782
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: ship in my house, you know what I mean, Like

783
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: I am not crying. I can look on I can

784
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 4: look at the Last Dance and say I admire that

785
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 4: level of competitiveness. I don't want that for myself.

786
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: On TV.

787
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want that on TV because we can treat

788
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 4: it like it's a we can treat it like it's

789
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: and this is not great either, but we can treat

790
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: it like it's like reality television, or we can treat

791
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: it's the coggid, as we say, kind of separate ourselves

792
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: from it. But like, I don't want that for myself.

793
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: I don't want any level of competitiveness in my brain

794
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 4: that would require me to be a kind of performer

795
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: that Michael Jordan was. That level. That level is frightening,

796
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: and I think that is, uh, that's just that's the

797
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: two the two worlds of sport.

798
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: The where where the where? The where?

799
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 3: The rubber mesa road for me on this And I'm

800
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: not I don't have an answer for this question, and

801
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: I'm not asking you guys to come up with an answer.

802
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: But like, I've got a son who plays baseball. He's

803
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: pretty good. He is he has my brain when it

804
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: comes to competitiveness and wanting to be perfect at things

805
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: and all this other stuff.

806
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: So I'm also his coach.

807
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: We had a game this spring, he goes three for four,

808
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 3: two extra bases, he threw a shutout inning, pitching great game.

809
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: We get back in the car I'm like, hell yeah,

810
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: like this is great, Like this is what all the

811
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: practice is for a way to go. And he's pissed

812
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: at himself because he just missed the right contact on

813
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: the ball on the one at bat where he didn't

814
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: get a hit. He's pissed at himself, like angry. And

815
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: so I'm sitting there as his coach, like this is

816
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: fucking sick, like this kid right, Like this kid wants it.

817
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: And also as an adult who knows like anything you

818
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: want to do in life, you are gonna have to

819
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: be a little bit crazy about chasing after if it's

820
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: not baseball like good right, like whatever it is. But

821
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: then as his dad, I'm sitting there going, I know what,

822
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: the last thirty years of my life was fighting that

823
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: desire to be like I did really good at something.

824
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: I could go home and rest now, or be really

825
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: angry that it could have been a little bit better.

826
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: And so as his dad, I'm sitting there like, buddy,

827
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: you had a great game, Like let's just go get

828
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 3: some ice cream, you know what I mean? But I don't,

829
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: and I don't know how to. Like I'm just sort

830
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: of giving him his space and trying to provide some guidance.

831
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: But it's like, I don't know what the answer is

832
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: to that, particularly in the context of sports, in the

833
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: context of he wants to be a college professor. Let's

834
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 3: go have some ice cream, right, You know, if you

835
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 3: want a job that like one hundred thousand people have, cool,

836
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: If you want a job that one hundred people have,

837
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: you probably have to be nuts enough to beat out

838
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: the other ninety nine nine hundred people, right, Like I

839
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 3: don't I just don't know the There isn't a correct

840
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: answer to that question, but I don't know.

841
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: That's what we're rooting.

842
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: For is people who is people who made that decision

843
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 3: early in life, you know, like I just went nuts.

844
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all crazy to some extent. Truly.

845
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: I just don't know how you can find any type

846
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 5: a fine balance, any type of balance when you have

847
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 5: to be fanatically obsessed, you know what I mean.

848
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't know like what a balance on that looks like.

849
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 5: I will say that I think Lebron has probably handled

850
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 5: it the healthiest of any of the all time greats

851
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: I've seen, Like, I mean, because you know to to

852
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 5: just bail shit down, like right, the biggest knock we

853
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 5: had on Kobe for just boiling it down. Is he

854
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 5: didn't trust his teammates enough, right biggest knock we've got

855
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: on on Bron if we boil that shit down. He

856
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 5: trusts his teammates too much, right like, he Lebron is

857
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 5: someone who isn't necessarily burdening himself with all of his aspects.

858
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 5: He's someone who realizes that, you know, this is a

859
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 5: team sport. I can't get it done without my guys,

860
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 5: right Like, he's not letting that shit. He's not, you know,

861
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 5: taking on all the weight on his shoulders. Right now,

862
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: I think that that is a pretty healthy way too,

863
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 5: you know, kind of maneuver to that.

864
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: And even then, Bron is still.

865
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 5: Obsessive, right like, probably has the best fucking physical regiment

866
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 5: we've ever seen.

867
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: You know, he goes asleep at seven people like, I mean,

868
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: he gets all his teammates targeting.

869
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: He gets like ten to twelve hours of sleep at night.

870
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: As a father of three, I don't care how rich

871
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: you are, he gets ten to twelve hours.

872
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: Of sleep every night.

873
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 4: He turns out more.

874
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: How do how do you even?

875
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: Dwayne wadea said he will go to sleep at six

876
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: o'clock in the like when they're when they're seriously, he

877
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: will get in bed at six o'clock and not get

878
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: up to six a m. Until he's working out, Like.

879
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: Take medicine to take that.

880
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: To sleep that much, you'd have to take something to

881
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: make I physically do not have the ability to sleep

882
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: that much, regardless of what I did in the day prior.

883
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

884
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: That's crazy, But I think that he the team aspect

885
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: is why he's more. You know, he's better in life

886
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: because like he's built the team around him for the

887
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: things outside, because he understands importance of having a team,

888
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But when you're the type

889
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: of person who's like it's me, I have to do

890
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: it like a Kobe, like a like a Jordan, that's

891
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: more difficult to step away from and operate differently, like

892
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like with him with with Brian,

893
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: you know, knowing he needs a team on court and

894
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: approaching the game in that way, even though he's a

895
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: finaty you know, he's a fanac when he comes obsessing

896
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: over the game.

897
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: You can do the that in life and be fine.

898
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: You can't be you know, I'm that, you know, like

899
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: I gotta drop fifty. You know, the Bradford Smith. I'm

900
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: coming for your ass. What of the name is? You

901
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: know that's not gonna translate well in your everyday life.

902
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: So I think that's why Bron's been better off the court.

903
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: It is because their translates better.

904
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: You know, off the court, you know what I'm Did

905
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 5: you see that clip with Isaiah Thomas not Zeke you know,

906
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 5: I t T whatever you want to call of him

907
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: crying when he were coming to tears when he talk

908
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 5: about his time he spent LEBRONI in Cleveland.

909
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: Did you see that?

910
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: I saw that. I saw that.

911
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was you know what he speaks to?

912
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: What do you speak to?

913
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 5: And he was just saying he was saying, bro Like

914
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 5: he was like, you know, I never saw someone so

915
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: dedicated to basketball. He was like when we had you know, practices,

916
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 5: he was there two hours later when we had to

917
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 5: go to the gym, he was there an hour later,

918
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 5: an hour earlier, and left an hour after. Everybody did

919
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 5: like and he was like, you know, I and we

920
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: all know that shit did not go well for it

921
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 5: T and Brown is as a b I admitted that

922
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 5: he was like, sh ain't work out for us?

923
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 2: On the court.

924
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: He was like, but just you know, I'm a bet

925
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 5: or man for having experienced this man's dedication. He's like,

926
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: you know, we're still homies to this day. So yeah, yeah,

927
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 5: I'll drop that into in the group. It's a really

928
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 5: moving clip.

929
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean Bron Bright the way he talks about it.

930
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Bron approaches a game like it's a nine to five,

931
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying, where like he's

932
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: putting in, he comes in or does all the other

933
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: things that need to be done off court before the

934
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: game starts, like getting the work done and all that.

935
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: Not every athlete.

936
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: Approaches it that way, but I think, like to be successful,

937
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: like how like what Mike Michael was talking about, like

938
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: his his son, like you know, like Vinnie tripping, you know,

939
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: damn to be successful, you almost gotta find what you

940
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: can do better at in sports, in any sports. It's

941
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: like if it doesn't as long and I think being

942
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: mad after the game, that's cool. But if by the

943
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: time he's getting ice cream, he's okay, I think that's healthy,

944
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because unless you win the

945
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: fucking genetic lottery, you know what I mean, You're not

946
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: you have to be obsessive to play a professional sport.

947
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: You know, if that's what you want to do with

948
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: your life, you know what I mean. And even if

949
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: you win the genetic lottery, if you're gonna be great

950
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: at it, you have to be right at this point.

951
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: You know, Sayel Pierce used to tell this story about

952
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: LaVar Arrington that when they were when they played football

953
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: together in Washington, they would be in film film meetings

954
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: and it was a running joke that the coach at

955
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: the end of the session would go and what's Levar's job?

956
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: And LaVar will say, go get the quarterback. Those athletes

957
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: don't really like you don't really do that, even if

958
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: you are you won the lottery or whatever, right, like,

959
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: at this point has to be a session, all right,

960
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: we are We actually had any fun, not to talk

961
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 3: about mental health balance in sports, but to talk about

962
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: his Minnesota Timberwolves are having. The Minnesota Timberwolves are at

963
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: the time of recording eighteen and five zero point seven

964
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: to eighty three win percentage, a four game lead in the

965
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: win column over the defending champion Denver Nuggets. The last

966
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: time Hanife was on, you talked about not needing as

967
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: an individual. The normal cyclical sports thing of optimism and

968
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: hope and then into disappointment that you were comfortable just

969
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: being a fan of a team that you were not

970
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: expecting to necessarily go out and win a championship. And

971
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: it does feel to me, I've been thinking of you

972
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 3: this whole season, Like it feels like this has been

973
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: designed for you, almost as a test, like how optimistic

974
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: are you, how excited are you? How are you enjoying it?

975
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: How is this season different from your previous fandom.

976
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 4: So honestly, i'd be lying to myself about some of

977
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 4: this shit.

978
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: I'll respect that, bro, because they've been.

979
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: You know, like when you root for a team that's

980
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: been bad for so long, there's almost no point to

981
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: be like I need a championship. It's like I just

982
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: needed to see a playoff series win. I mean, it's

983
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 4: just like win more than one game in the playoffs.

984
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 4: But also you say that a funny thing happened this

985
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: past weekend. So I'm a big fan Columbus as a

986
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: soccer team, Columbus Crew. They just won the MLS championship, right,

987
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 4: And that was one of those things where not a

988
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: lot of people expected that happened. And before the game

989
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: on Saturday. I was going to the game and I

990
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: was telling people like, oh, you know, no matter, no

991
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 4: matter if they win or not, I'm just so happy

992
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 4: they got to this point. I'm just so happy I

993
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 4: get to watch them play in a championship. I feel

994
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: so great. And then when they won, I was like, listen,

995
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: that shit was a lie. I'm definitely much. I am

996
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 4: much happier right now. I'd be like, I'm happier now.

997
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 4: And so I'm trying to get myself into I'm trying

998
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: to walk both these lines where for a lot of

999
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 4: timberlves fans, I know, this still actually doesn't really feel real,

1000
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I think it's starting to

1001
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: feel a bit realer. But you know, after the first

1002
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: fifteen games, I was like, this doesn't feel like it's

1003
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: actually happening. They've already won more games right now then

1004
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 4: they have won in total like four seasons that I've

1005
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: been a fan of theirs, you know what I mean,

1006
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 4: Like in two thousand and nine, they won like sixteen

1007
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: games total, and it's.

1008
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: Y'all been through hell, bro, you I guess I.

1009
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: Have to watch. So I had to watch, like Alexi Shved,

1010
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: you know what, I mean, like I have to watch ritten.

1011
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 4: How were playing point guard? You know, it's like over staph,

1012
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: like yeah, yeah, Johnny Johnny was Yeah, Johnny Flynn was

1013
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 4: a hooper. I think Luke.

1014
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: Dauer was good too, but not not not Luke led

1015
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: team is rough.

1016
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 4: That's a rough watch. So it's and it's funny. So

1017
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: I was at the first game of season. I went

1018
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 4: up to Toronto to see them play in Toronto and

1019
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 4: they lost, and they lost in a way that was like, oh, no,

1020
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 4: you know, same old Timberwolves, you know what I mean?

1021
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 4: They lost like Pat played awfully, Ant shot too much

1022
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 4: and shot poorly. And as I was leaving the arena,

1023
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 4: I mean, there's not a lot of I feel like

1024
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: it's the state of Timberwolves fanom is down bad if

1025
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 4: I'm one of the most visible Timberwolves fans. But I

1026
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: was leaving the arena and a Toronto fan recognized me

1027
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: and started like, you know, and they started like yelling,

1028
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: not mean yelling, but like ship talking in the kind

1029
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 4: of player it's like, oh, it's not y'all's year, you

1030
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 4: know that type ship. And I was like, and I

1031
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: was I was walking back to my hotel like that

1032
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: Nigga might be right if I hope that person is

1033
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 4: a listeners because like, listen, I'm not much of I'm

1034
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 4: not much of a trash shock with strangers, folks. But

1035
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: when Toronto empties off the cupboard and that motherfucker is

1036
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: rooting for Malachi Flynn and I in the Timberwls are

1037
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: number one in the West, I hope I pray I

1038
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: see that person again. So like, there's there's an element

1039
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: to where early in the season I was like, no,

1040
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: they had that loss to the Hawks that was really

1041
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: rough where they blew like a twenty five point lead,

1042
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: So there was a lot of kind of same old

1043
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 4: TIMBERWL stuff for me, and Cats started poorly. Cat started

1044
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: the season really bad, like.

1045
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: The first five game dinn he got hot though, Yeah, you.

1046
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 4: Know, so I don't really know. Now I'm kind of

1047
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: in this uphour a k is where I'm watching this

1048
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 4: team that does not feel like any other Timberwls team

1049
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: I've seen in my life, where the defense seems for real.

1050
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 4: I think, you know, all the talk is about Anthony Edwards,

1051
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: which I understand. The Cat's also doing things that people

1052
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 4: have been asking him to do for his whole career.

1053
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 4: You know, he's defending. He's defending both on the perimeter

1054
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 4: and in the posts, and he's not getting into a

1055
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 4: ton of foul trouble. He did fall out the other night,

1056
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 4: but not getting a ton of foul trouble. He is

1057
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: creating his shots off the dribble and getting in the

1058
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: lane and using that floater that he has really well,

1059
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: he's not relying on just throwing up threes from all

1060
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 4: over the place. He's passing out of double teams. He's

1061
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 4: kind of doing these things that people have been myself

1062
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 4: included as a fan of his, have been frustrated with

1063
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 4: his inability to do in his early career. Rudy is

1064
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: back playing like defensive Player of the Year level defense.

1065
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: And there are holes, there are some concerns. I'm a

1066
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: little bit worried about the point guard position since Mike Conley.

1067
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: You know, I love him and I love watching him play.

1068
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 4: There's no way he's playing all eighty times.

1069
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 5: Got right there, Yeah, but he's he Conley's been hooping though, man,

1070
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 5: Like I think, yeah, I think it's got like one

1071
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty nine asists only like twenty two turnovers

1072
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: or something like that. He's been going crazy, But where

1073
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: are you at with with Rudy right because it looked

1074
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 5: like for a minute, like no exact say, that might

1075
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 5: have been one of the worst trades ever last season,

1076
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: and now that shit's coming together, bro, and he's looking like,

1077
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: you know, the Rudy who might get his fifth defensive

1078
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: player to the year.

1079
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: I still wish. I don't know how this is a

1080
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 4: big conflict for me because I would like a couple

1081
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: of those picks back, like for real, I think that

1082
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 4: that is going to if I'm talking about living in

1083
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: the moment and loving the moment right now. That's really

1084
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: hard this year because this team is not going to

1085
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 4: be this team in two years. They can't afford everybody

1086
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: and they have no picks, and so I really have

1087
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 4: to savor this year and Rudy, especially this year, because

1088
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: in two years from now, I don't really know what

1089
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: this team's future looks like because you will have probably

1090
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 4: Ant and probably Jaden McDaniels, and I don't know who

1091
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 4: else is there. You know, Rudy feels like he will

1092
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 4: either Rudy or Catterer both will not be and so

1093
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: I don't think it's the trade is bearing itself out,

1094
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: especially because I think some of those Utah players, particularly

1095
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 4: Walker Kessler, has seemed to kind of hit a wall.

1096
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 4: I still think Walker Kesler is a good player, but

1097
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 4: I think what he showed last year and how he's

1098
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 4: played this year, I think he's maybe taking a step back.

1099
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: So I feel a little bit better about that, but

1100
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 4: I would love at least one of those picks back.

1101
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: There's no no matter how good I feel about this season,

1102
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 4: there's no ignoring the fact they gave up too much.

1103
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 4: They just gave up too much for him, especially when

1104
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: you look at the market for what other players have

1105
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: gotten since that trade. They gave up too much. And

1106
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: I think how it has benefited the team is that

1107
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 4: it's forced everyone to play differently, and so Pat becomes

1108
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 4: a more versatile player because he has to play next

1109
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: to Rudy Anthony Edwards. It comes a better passer because

1110
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 4: he has to play alongside Rudy and to figure out

1111
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: how to pass out of these double teams. Jade McDaniel's

1112
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 4: becomes an even better defender on the wings sus Rudy

1113
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: behind them, you know what I mean. So there's some

1114
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 4: benefits that will play long term dividends. But I just

1115
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: when I think about this team in two years, I worry.

1116
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Rudy, Rudy's for sure making good on his end.

1117
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 5: But I mean from the very jump, I think a

1118
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 5: lot of people didn't like the trade because it felt

1119
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 5: like the trade felt like, Okay, this is the only

1120
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 5: this is the last piece we need to be a

1121
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 5: champion and no, no, absolutely not y'all need y'all need

1122
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 5: a little bit more, right like like that was what

1123
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 5: that trade looked like. And and it you know, they

1124
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 5: are a young team on the rise who are not

1125
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 5: just Rudy, you know, Rudy Gobert away from being a champion.

1126
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: They need some more pieces.

1127
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 5: So I definitely, you know, understand your concern there because

1128
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 5: I feel the same I think when.

1129
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: It comes to pieces.

1130
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: I think also they needed a person, a different personality

1131
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: to lead that team. Like Edwards as the man is

1132
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: better than Kat as the man on that team, you

1133
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I feel like Kat doesn't have

1134
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: the personality that people would want to like get behind

1135
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: or just follow to, you know what I mean? Everybody

1136
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: loves an you know, interviewing Kat, I'm talking about and

1137
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: he talked about and like he's a fucking man. You

1138
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying, And so I think that helped

1139
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: a lot, and taking that step and it being Ant's team,

1140
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: and I think that that adds to the energy. I mean,

1141
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: let's not taking anything away from Cat. Cat's fucking incredible.

1142
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: He still fifty forty ninety. He said, you know, I

1143
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: had a really good year other than the first you know,

1144
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: that start. But yeah, I think that also helped to

1145
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: having a person that is fit to lead a squad

1146
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: that people want to follow, you know.

1147
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: I also think like they're in a unique situation with

1148
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 3: that trade because most teams aren't in a position where

1149
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: their existing players will give them another piece, right, But

1150
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: like Ants development is going to effectively add a better

1151
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: player each year, right for the next few years. So

1152
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: I think that like that has to be part of

1153
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: the calculus. But yeah, I was thinking about you. I've

1154
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: been thinking about you after that trade because I had

1155
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 3: a friend who's like, they massively overpaid all this other stuff,

1156
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: and I thought about one of the stats you said

1157
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: the last time we are on, I was.

1158
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: Like, they have a one man like.

1159
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: So if they overpay and they win to playoff series

1160
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: and then they suck again, Well, they had a year

1161
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: where they got to enjoy winning two playoff series, right, Like,

1162
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: ye Lakers fan, something like you take that stuff for granted.

1163
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 3: But if you're rooting for a team that, like you said,

1164
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: you you followed them closely in a year in which

1165
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: they won, Like, imagine being a Pistons fan right now, right, like,

1166
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: there are people watching every minute of those games. Though

1167
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: there are not a lot of them, are some people

1168
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: doing that? So like if you get the experience of

1169
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: winning some in April, then great, right, you know, like

1170
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: that has to be worth something, even though it's not

1171
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 3: how we account for success in the way that we talk.

1172
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: About the NBA.

1173
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: One of my dear friends, the brilliant pullet Matt Nancy Oldsman,

1174
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: is a Pistons fan. Like that our Pistons fan, one

1175
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: of those people who watches every minute of every game,

1176
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: and and we're in a group chat together, and I

1177
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 4: feel like the euphour high that I'm on is really

1178
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 4: just counterbalanced by the fact that every night he knows

1179
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 4: the motherfuckers it getting their asses beat. And there's kind

1180
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 4: of like, no, I look at the Pistons schedule because

1181
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: at this point, I'm like, I just want to see him.

1182
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 4: I just need to see the Pistons win a game.

1183
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 4: It has to happen. And I look at their schedule

1184
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I just don't see a win there,

1185
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, I just don't see it.

1186
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 4: And if they go, if they go two months without

1187
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 4: winning a game, I just don't know how. Somebody's got

1188
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 4: to get fired from somewhere. I mean, I don't know

1189
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: if it's Monty, I don't know. Someone has to lose

1190
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: a job. It just can't. You can't not win a

1191
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: game for two months.

1192
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: I mean you would you would think Tyler and John

1193
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 3: said that they should let the fans rush the court

1194
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 3: after their first their first win.

1195
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: I love that.

1196
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: Great idea, A great idea, great idea. Rodnie.

1197
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 7: If you if you, if you lose too much straight,

1198
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 7: I think you should like get let suspend the team

1199
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 7: in definitely not from a place that you did something wrong,

1200
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 7: but just take some time for yourself mental health break.

1201
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: Bro.

1202
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying, Like dogs, it's rough out here,

1203
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: we see you struggling. We gonna give y'all a couple

1204
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: a week off or something. I think, hey, man, that's

1205
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: two months straight is crazy, bro?

1206
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: Crazy.

1207
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 4: They probably they got what they got the Sixers again

1208
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 4: to night, which Tyler is gonna be a lost. They

1209
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 4: could maybe I think they got the Jazz coming up.

1210
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 4: They could maybe sneak a win in there. But either way,

1211
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, as someone again to think about

1212
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 4: the timber Rules, I watched them through a lot of

1213
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 4: years where they just had aimless rosters. I would look

1214
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 4: at the roster and say, this is just a bunch

1215
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 4: of guys, you know what I mean. And I look

1216
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 4: at the Pistons right now, and it's like, well, there's

1217
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: talent there, but it's just a bunch of guys.

1218
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1219
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 4: Jalen Barron and you know, I like, I like him

1220
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 4: and I like.

1221
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: Taking a leap, but it's.

1222
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 4: Nothing I like j Nivy maybe you know, but it's

1223
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 4: just like, these are just some guys who can't really

1224
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 4: they're not really there's not cohesive. I kind of don't

1225
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 4: like Isaiah Stewart as much as other people, so and

1226
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 4: there's a way that you can make some guys, I mean,

1227
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: in Orlando Magic are just a bunch of guys and

1228
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 4: it's working. And I think the Pistons are kind of

1229
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 4: what the Timberwolves have been for much of my life.

1230
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 4: Where I think where the Timberwolves are different now is

1231
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 4: if they found an identity. People actually thought they found

1232
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 4: an identity in the year of Pat Bev, and they

1233
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 4: kind of halfway found that identity, but it wasn't real.

1234
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 4: It was just fleeting, performative, and I think Pat Bev

1235
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 4: is finev. Yeah, it was just it was like this

1236
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 4: Pat that thing, and it was just like him projecting

1237
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 4: his whole thing on the team. This year, there's an

1238
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 4: actual identity around the Timberwls, that is, and I think

1239
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: a lot of it too. Chris Finch deserves some flowers.

1240
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 4: Although you know, a funny thing about Chris Finch to

1241
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 4: me is that he's one of those people who always

1242
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: looks like his face always looks like he just got

1243
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 4: word that his wife is divorcing him, like no matter,

1244
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 4: even when he's happy, there.

1245
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: Was like Ara, there's a sadness to his eyes. Yeah.

1246
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 4: There was like a graphic of timb Rols put up

1247
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 4: when he won Coach of the Month or whatever, and

1248
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 4: he was smiling in the graphic, but even when he

1249
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 4: was smiling, it looked like he had just heard some

1250
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,959
Speaker 4: really sad and so I don't know what is going

1251
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 4: on in his life, but he's the hell of a

1252
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: coach though. You know, I'm glad, you know, hopefully he's

1253
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 4: actually not getting I made that joke like twice, and

1254
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: I hope he's not actually like in the throes of

1255
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 4: his marriage falling apart. But if he is, hey, he's

1256
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 4: pouring himself into the game and a beautiful one.

1257
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 5: So so, you know, you mentioned that this team has

1258
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 5: an identity, and we talked about the three oh four Timberwolves,

1259
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 5: and I remember, like, you know, we all knew that

1260
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 5: they were not going to be a championship team, but

1261
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 5: they were fun. They had some guys on there who

1262
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 5: were like fan favorites, like Cassell with the with the

1263
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 5: big nuts celebration. You had, you know, Spree with the

1264
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 5: with with with the twisted upbraids looking like the fucking

1265
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 5: flying dog from Never in the story and ship even

1266
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 5: fucking Fred Hoiberg coming off the bench like you shut

1267
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 5: up right, so like yeah, yeah, so so so so,

1268
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 5: Like do you have a fan favorite, you know, one

1269
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 5: of someone who's like not not a guy, like not

1270
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 5: ant or Cat or or Rudy, Like, do you have

1271
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 5: a fan favorite on there right now?

1272
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 4: I like Trey Brown Jr. And I like Trey Brown Jr.

1273
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 4: Because I'd like that this is kind of a redemption

1274
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 4: arc for him. I like a redemption arc. And then

1275
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: the last thing, the Timberwlves played the MAVs and I

1276
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 4: got to see Dante Exhelm, who's who's I'm playing well

1277
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 4: and that that's cool, Like it's cool to see a

1278
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: guy like Dante ExHAM who was out of the league

1279
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 4: and it's come back in. And Trey Brown kind of

1280
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 4: he bounced around a lot. He was a high pa,

1281
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 4: bounced around a lot, didn't work on a couple of teams,

1282
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: and he's really playing well in Minnesota. I'm same for

1283
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 4: Alexander Walker. I love Nikile Alexander Walker. The Timberwolves have

1284
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 4: always had these guys, even when they've been bad, even

1285
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: in the lean years, they've had guys that I've latched

1286
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: onto and really enjoyed watching. And in terms of you know,

1287
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is a championship team, it's

1288
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: you never really know. I don't think you really know

1289
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 4: that until the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel though, How do you feel though.

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to see the Nuggets in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, so I would like to I think this

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Speaker 4: is a team that can get to the Western Conference Finals.

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Speaker 4: I really do. I think that they will run into

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Speaker 4: some problems in the playoffs as they have in the past,

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Speaker 4: because then the playoffs will run up against teams that'll

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Speaker 4: just switch everything, and I think, you know, Kat struggles

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Speaker 4: in those scenarios. He's he was better. I think the

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Speaker 4: narrative about Caat not being good in the playoffs is

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Speaker 4: maybe a little unfair. He was very good in that

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Speaker 4: Memphis series. The team collapsed in that Menph series, a

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Speaker 4: Cat was actually pretty good. He was very bad against

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Speaker 4: Denver and against the Rockets back in the Jimmy year

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Speaker 4: was his first time out. He wasn't great. But I

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Speaker 4: think a struggle with him is that teams just switch

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Speaker 4: everything on to him and he sometimes just can't. He

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Speaker 4: can't find his offense there. So I worry a little

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Speaker 4: bit about the playoffs. I worry about them, and the

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Speaker 4: West is really jagged this year. There's a lot of

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Speaker 4: shit you gotta go through. You gotta go through Oklahoma City,

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Speaker 4: and that Oklahoma City team is like not the Oklahoma

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Speaker 4: City team of last year. And my hope, I think

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Speaker 4: the Wolves can make the Western Conference finals. If shit

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Speaker 4: shakes out where they can avoid Denver until the Western

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Speaker 4: Conference Finals. I still think I know they their regular

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Speaker 4: season so far is going to go shaky. I still

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Speaker 4: think Denver is better than everybody in seven games. I

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Speaker 4: just don't see anyone in the West at least who

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Speaker 4: can beat Denver in seven games. It just you know,

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Speaker 4: if they're healthy, if Jamal Murray is Jamal Murray. But

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Speaker 4: I do think I see them winning the playoff series.

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Speaker 4: The tim roles at least went in. I see them

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Speaker 4: definitely able to do that. I think they could win

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Speaker 4: to if shit shakes out the right way. Like I

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Speaker 4: think there's a big gap between these first four teams

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Speaker 4: and the five teams and everybody else below them.

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Speaker 3: All Right, well, Hanee, thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 3: the time to hop on with us. Everyone pre order,

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Speaker 3: there's always this year on basketball and ascension. His next

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Speaker 3: book coming out in March. We're for sure going to

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Speaker 3: have him back to talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm excited to come back, by the way, and

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Speaker 4: I got to make sure y'all get a copy, hope.

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Speaker 4: My publicist publicists was like they got me like embargo.

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Speaker 4: They're like you can't talk, you can't talk to anybody

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Speaker 4: till the book comes out. So with my publicists, who

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Speaker 4: actually is a listener to this show, this should be

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Speaker 4: like I told that motherfucker. But the timber I was like,

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Speaker 4: you know, the Timberwolves might not be good in March.

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Speaker 4: The Timber Bowles might not be that, they might not

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Speaker 4: be good enough in March to talk about. So I

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Speaker 4: appreciate hopefully there might not be next year with the table,

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Speaker 4: and so I have to make sure you'll get a

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Speaker 4: copy of the book. You know, I've been I've been

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Speaker 4: thinking about y'all and other folks who have been kind

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Speaker 4: enough to talk ball with me, because I feel like

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Speaker 4: early on in my writing career I never got to

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Speaker 4: talk about ball because everyone was kind of just like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you're the music guy. But realistically, you know, I spent

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Speaker 4: as much time thinking about Ball as I do anything else.

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Speaker 4: So I really appreciate y'all for always allowing me to

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Speaker 4: kind of come on here and chop it up a bit.

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Speaker 3: You actually you actually gave us some advice, I think

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Speaker 3: on accident. The first time we had you on and

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Speaker 3: we talked about music, and we talked about publishing and

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Speaker 3: your career and stuff, and at the end of it.

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Speaker 3: You were like, I really want to just talk about

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Speaker 3: basketball and sneakers.

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Speaker 8: Right right, I thought I was going bullets right for

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Speaker 8: the three of us, we were like, so just because

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Speaker 8: someone comes on who's like been you know, one National

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Speaker 8: Book Awards and stuff like, we probably should just like

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Speaker 8: let them come hang out with their friends, Like that's

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Speaker 8: what people want to do on the show.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Also, you're the You're like one of three people that

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Speaker 1: I tell my wife we're talking to and she's like yay,

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Speaker 1: like she actually said yang, that is what she's said.

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Speaker 1: Like she's twelve when I told her we were interviewing you.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's great, welcome anytime.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for taking the time, and hopefully that the Timberwolves

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Speaker 3: hopefully it's not just an interview about your book, hopefully

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Speaker 3: in February, you know, hopefully the Timberwolves are still worth

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Speaker 3: talking about for sure, So.

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Speaker 4: No doubt, appreciate chill as always, we'll talk soon, yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: The volume