1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural. 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: And the unexplained. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Get ready now for Beyond Contact with Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 3: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 4: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week Beyond Contact 12 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 4: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 4: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 4: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. 15 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 5: Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron, and today I'm 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 5: going to be speaking with Vinnie Adams from the Disclosure Team. 17 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 5: Vinnie is a UFO researcher, writer, social media creator and 18 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 5: host of the podcast Disclosure Team. He is coming to 19 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 5: Contact in the Desert this year for the first time ever, 20 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 5: and we're very happy to have him there. And he's 21 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 5: based in the UK, you can tell by his accent, 22 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 5: and it's going to be very interesting to hear how 23 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: disclosure is looked at over in the UK versus how 24 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 5: it is here in the US. Hey, Vinnie, good to 25 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 5: see him, my man, Ron. 26 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: It's an absolute pleasure to join you here and beyond 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: contact and also I cannot wait for contacts in the desert. 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 5: You're going to be hooked after your first time, I 29 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 5: promise you that's been the extent. I okay, So listen, 30 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 5: let's start here where you are or over in the UK. 31 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 5: I want to see how are things perceived there, like, 32 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 5: how does it compare. 33 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: To the US. 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 5: I know you spend a lot of time here in 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 5: the US, so you may have a sense of that. 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 5: How is big D disclosure viewed in the UK? 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 2: Do you know what Ron? I think? To be honest, 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: Big D disclosure really isn't talked about at all when 39 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: it comes to media and the general public at all. Unfortunately, 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: we are very much behind when it comes to the 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: reporting compared to the United States. When it is in 42 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: the newspapers, it's very much in the kind of tabloids 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: and it's you know, little Green men and X files 44 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: type themes. Still, unfortunately, we do have the odd article 45 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: pop up here and there. We do have a couple 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: of journalists that have started to latch onto the subject, 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: but unfortunately it's just too few and far between to 48 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: really grab the general public and bring it into the 49 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: kind of mainstream conversation. 50 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 5: Okay, well, what about even in the UFO community in 51 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 5: the UK. Is there a sense that you feel like 52 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 5: it has to originate from the US or it come 53 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 5: from the UK. 54 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: I think two ways I look at it. When it 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: comes to that, I think there is a fairly reasonable 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: size community, but we do kind of interconnect with a 57 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: lot of the communities in the United States when it 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: comes to you know, communication and getting the latest information. 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: But I do also look at disclosure as a global phenomena, 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: so it could come from anywhere really, at any time. 61 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: I'm always quite conscious of that. So, you know, the 62 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: one thing I will say is it won't come from 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: the Ministry of Defense because they are so tight lipped 64 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: on this, this situation, this this this topic and have 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: been now for getting on for twenty years. There used 66 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: to be a bit more free talking about it. They would, 67 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: you know, have released documents every now and again. That 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: all stopped and now you just can't get any information 69 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: from them. So I think big D disclosure, if it 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: were to happen, would generally come from other governments. 71 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that it was that way here forever 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 5: for fifty five years, and only you know, since twenty 73 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 5: seventeen have we seen a little bit of the government, 74 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 5: you know, the Pentagon papers and the hearings that we've 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 5: had and different things where we do start seeing and 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 5: feeling like there is a crack that maybe we would 77 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 5: get some form of disclosure. But I always wonder could 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: Russia do it? Could China do it? I think if 79 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 5: you know, who knows, I struggle with believing any of 80 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 5: this is even happening. But if it is, you know, 81 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 5: I can imagine there being this infighting or once somebody 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 5: realizes China is going to go, maybe Russia wants to 83 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 5: be first, or we want to be first. It may 84 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 5: be a political thing. Do you have any sense of that. 85 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think that we've seen in the last few years, 86 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: you know, with the way that the story has been 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: growing in the United States, that it's unavoidable to you know, 88 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: it has to be politicized because people will use it, 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: you know, people with power, people in Congress. In a way, 90 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: it goes hand in hand if we do want anything 91 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: to come from the elected officials. But yeah, you mentioned 92 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: China and Russia. I think we also have a lot 93 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: of countries in say South America, Argentine and Brazil have 94 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: always been quite forthcoming with you know, acknowledging that they 95 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: look into this subject as well. I think it only 96 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: takes one government to just say right, we're doing it, 97 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden the world changes and yeah, 98 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: this is. 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 5: An excellent point exactly what When I think about this, 100 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 5: I think, yeah, a country like Brazil or somebody that's 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 5: very open to this and kind of talk about it 102 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 5: already more openly and comfortably among the masses, which is 103 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 5: my understanding of how it is in Brazil. But I 104 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 5: wonder if Brazil came out tomorrow and the president of 105 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 5: Brazil says, we have UFOs, we've recovered this blah blah blah, 106 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 5: and they don't have the bodies of the ship, if 107 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 5: they would believe it here in the States, I really 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 5: wonder that. 109 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: I agree. I think there's something to be said about 110 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: which country says it how they say it at what time, 111 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: you know, I think without any anything to show as 112 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: evidence alongside the claims made by a smaller country or 113 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: not so popular, I think, yeah, I think people would 114 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: dismiss it, probably a lot more more quickly. 115 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: Even a big country like Brazil, I think, I think 116 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 5: a lot of people here. We would get excited in 117 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 5: the community for a few minutes, but it would not 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 5: move the needle, as most things do. I want to 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 5: ask you this, how do you feel about the idea 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 5: that some people have who who say that there's this 121 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 5: small group in an unacknowledged program that may even be 122 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 5: a worldwide group, who doesn't care about these country borders. 123 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 5: They you know, they hold this information. Do you think 124 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 5: there could be any truth to that idea. 125 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: I think it's probably quite known that there are small groups, 126 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: certainly within in the kind of the military industrial complex 127 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: in the United States. I wouldn't like to speculate on 128 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: a global group, let's say, but yeah, I think you know, 129 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: we have the white programs and the black programs. But 130 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: I always used to think that, you know, these secrets 131 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: are held within these gray areas. They have a name 132 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: for them. They call them purple novas. They are very 133 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: very small, compartmentalized groups of people in the know, who 134 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: kind of you know, I would say, are the gatekeepers 135 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: of a lot of this information. You know, I'm pretty 136 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: sure they do exist. 137 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 5: Makes logical sense to me that they would, just like 138 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 5: nuclear secrets or anything else. Okay, so if this is true, 139 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 5: we both let's just hypothesize for a second that this 140 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 5: is in fact true, that we've had crash retrievals and 141 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: there is a small contingent that knows about this. I 142 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 5: just do not see any way that they release this. 143 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 5: No matter how many of these whistleblowers come forward and 144 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 5: how many of these things happen, I do not see 145 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 5: an upside for a small group like that that holds 146 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 5: the knowledge of this technology and the knowledge of this power. 147 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 5: What's the upside for them? 148 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: No, you raise a really good point. I think you're 149 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: right in that respect. But what I think we're seeing 150 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: is I think we're seeing the old God. A lot 151 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: of the people that have been held withholding this information. 152 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: I think we're seeing a change. A lot of them 153 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: are dying off. You know. It's they've been holding onto 154 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: this stuff for so many decades. It's time for a 155 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: new generation to come in, and I believe that within 156 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: aerospace and sort of non government agencies that have their 157 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: their fingers in this, I think they're realizing that it 158 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: may be time to shift possession and start trying to 159 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: get somewhere with this, you know, and start not necessarily 160 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: wanting to just release it all to the public, but 161 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: to get it into the hands of a new generation 162 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: of maybe scientists as well, and to kind of see 163 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: if we can make more progress with the technologies that 164 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: they've kind of had in their possession for so long. 165 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 5: I would love to see that happen. You know, it's 166 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 5: so hard to know what this phenomenon even is. I mean, 167 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 5: I'm sure you've just just bey interviewing people. It's such 168 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 5: a complex thing, so it's hard to know what the 169 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 5: phenomenon is. Let alone, who actually does know the full 170 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 5: picture of what this is, if anyone does. 171 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: It is That's the thing. It's so compartmentalized. I think 172 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was. It might have been 173 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: James Fox and correct me if I'm wrong. Anybody that 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: he said any things that believes that maybe only twenty 175 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: people in the whole world who actually know, you know 176 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: a decent amount about what all this is about, you know, 177 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 2: and I think you mentioned that. You know, there's so 178 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: many possibilities about the origins of what this non human 179 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 2: intelligence or the phenomena could represent. And for me personally, 180 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: you know, my mind changes quite frequently depending who I 181 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: speak to and things like that. You know, one minute 182 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: it's the interdimensional hypothesis, the next it's the crypto terrestrial 183 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: and it always flips and changes, And yeah, I struggle 184 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: with that, but I think ultimately as well, I wouldn't 185 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: be surprised if we were to learn the truth that 186 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: it would be so crazy and different to what we expected, 187 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: we'd probably struggle to even comprehend it. 188 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 5: I side from disclosure itself, how do you think just 189 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 5: the idea of UFO as being extraterrestrial craft differs in 190 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 5: the UK versus the US, for example, I. 191 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: Don't think there is much different, to be honest, I 192 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: think it's all goes in hand in hand. I mean, 193 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: we are such a close ally we kind of follow 194 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: suit with almost everything when it comes to the relationship 195 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: between the US and the UK, with like the Little 196 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: Brother really, so I think when it comes to UFO 197 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: things that I think we follow suit completely. I think 198 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: it's all the same. 199 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 5: I think that's true, But I think here we have 200 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 5: a very centric feel like. I don't think that that's 201 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 5: on an equal footing. If you will, I think that, yeah, 202 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 5: you guys might listen to the US more than we would, 203 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 5: you know, listen to what the UK has to say. 204 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 5: I just yeah, the hubris we have is kind of horrible. 205 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 5: Because you've been immersed this for quite some time. Do 206 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 5: you have a sense that something is bubbling under the 207 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 5: surface right now? I sort of do. I've been doing 208 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 5: this for about eleven twelve years, and you know, we 209 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 5: always hear about possible more whistleblowers coming out, microbits of 210 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 5: disclosure coming. Do you feel like we're on the verge 211 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 5: of something right now or do you think it's just 212 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 5: a typical chatter we always hear. 213 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: Well, I'm an eternal optimist, so I try and look 214 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: at things in a positive light, and I do remain 215 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 2: optimal optimistic that I think we may see more continuation 216 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: of that throughout twenty twenty five. I think we're the 217 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: ride's not over just yet. 218 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 5: When we come back, we're going to talk to any 219 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 5: more specifically about worldwide governmental disclosure. You're listening to be 220 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 5: on Context on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast am 221 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 5: Paranormal Podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm 222 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 5: Captain Ronald. I'm speaking with Vinnie Adams today from the 223 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 5: Disclosure Team. Vinnie and your show Disclosure Team. Do you 224 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 5: focus specifically on disclosure coming from a government. 225 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: Not necessarily No, I mean, it is kind of one 226 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: of the main focal points, but I do like to 227 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: branch out and try and cover kind of other aspects 228 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: as well. I do, especially in recent times, I feel 229 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: like the experiencer has taken a little bit of a 230 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: back seat when it comes to their having their voice heard, 231 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: and so I like to try and bring in experiences 232 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: when I can to kind of, you know, hear their 233 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: stories and show that they are not being forgotten. So yeah, 234 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: I do try and mix it up a bit. I 235 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: think when we get these big stories that come out, 236 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: I think there is some focus that has to kind 237 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: of stay on the current climate. So I do my 238 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: best to kind of weave around that sometimes. And I'm 239 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: here still doing it not three or four years later, 240 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: so some weeks agoing well, awesome. 241 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 5: What would you consider disclosure because a lot of people 242 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 5: seem to have different things that disclosure means to that. 243 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. You know, I've not been privy 244 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: to witnessing anything myself really. I mean, I've had one sighting, 245 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: but you know, I can't say what it was. So 246 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: I think for me, I think confirmation from an authority 247 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: figure would probably at least begin to give me that disclosure. Well, 248 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: I suppose, you know, a president of a reputable country, 249 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: and I think I don't think we'll get big D disclosure. 250 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: I think we'll get small D disclosure or even confirmation that, yes, 251 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: I can announce that we are being visited by a 252 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: non human intelligence, and that in itself would be enough 253 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: for me to go, right, okay, Then we can go 254 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: from there and find out why are they here, what 255 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: do they want, how long have they been here, and 256 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: all of the questions that follow. That would be my disclosure, 257 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 2: my personal disclosure. 258 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 5: A lot of people, I think unless the president pulls 259 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 5: out the ship and says it from the US, they're 260 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 5: not going to consider it disclosure. Of course, many people 261 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 5: that are experiencers, or many of us who read a 262 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 5: lot of the data, you know, feel like it's already 263 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 5: sort of been disclosed that these people you know they 264 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 5: consider that. Well, yeah, I think it's real. 265 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean my days in this subject started about 266 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, just thoroughly researching, and so I knew 267 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: almost straight away. Look, there's something to this, and that's 268 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: why I pursued it for so long. So it's not 269 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: like I need disclosure to continue in this subject. I 270 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: think it's valid and I think it's worth, you know, 271 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: continuing and trying to bring it into the mainstream. So 272 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: and yeah, you mentioned the experiences. I think one thing 273 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 2: that people always seem to say is that where's the proof, 274 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: where's the evidence? Well, we have the test many of thousands, 275 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: if not millions, of people who have experienced something, and 276 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: for me, that testimony is just as valuable. 277 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 5: Thank you. I feel the same way. And I'm very 278 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 5: frustrated by you my friends that are outside of this 279 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 5: community who just struggle with that and they just write 280 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 5: it off as crazy. No matter what, I guarantee you, 281 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 5: many of people's claims are crazy or disillusions or delusional 282 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 5: or whatever it may be. However, you having a show 283 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 5: for three four years, I've been doing this a long time. 284 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 5: We've interviewed these people, We've sat at conferences, with these 285 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 5: people and face to face talked to people and they're 286 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 5: as normal as can be and they just had this 287 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: crazy thing happen to them. I find that compelling, and 288 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 5: I don't know why we just dismissed that. Even more so, 289 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 5: what frustrates me is when we dismiss people. Uh, there's 290 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 5: a hundred example that John Mack is my favorite example. 291 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: Here's a guy who got to the the top of 292 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 5: his you know, his craft, as the head of psychiatry 293 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 5: at Harvard. He looked at this topic and came to 294 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 5: the conclusion that these people are not delusional, that clearly 295 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 5: something has happened to them. 296 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: All of a. 297 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 5: Sudden, he's written off like he doesn't know what he's 298 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 5: talking about. Right before, he said that he is the 299 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 5: smartest guy in the world, top of psychology at Harvard University. 300 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: He doesn't get there because he doesn't know what he's doing, 301 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 5: and then to dismiss his findings. It doesn't make sense 302 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 5: to me. I can't think of another field where you 303 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: get to the top of your game, you know, you're 304 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 5: the main quarterback, and then all of a sudden, well, 305 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 5: this guy's no good. It frustrates me. Okay, well, what 306 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 5: about Jake Barber, did you guys get that there in 307 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 5: the UK? And what did you think of that? 308 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: Well, actually I was in the US at the time 309 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: when I saw it, so I mean I was, yeah, 310 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: I was blown away by it. You know, it was 311 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: great that he came forward with his story and we 312 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: had this video of this agg objects. But I think 313 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: we'll also added some weight behind it, is that there 314 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: were other individuals that spoke to back up who he 315 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: says he is. You know, we had some real weight 316 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: behind him. That was great. I think I always like, 317 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: really really helps in a situation like that. It's not 318 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: just one person's word. Again, it's a few people who 319 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: are coming from really good backgrounds when it comes to 320 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: their patriotism and things like that. So I think we'll 321 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 2: see more from them in the coming weeks and months. 322 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 5: I think Ross Colhart probably vetted him very thoroughly or 323 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 5: given that much time that he's worked. I think it 324 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 5: was eighteen months before this came out. What do you 325 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 5: think of most of these whistleblowers in general? Do you 326 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 5: think that they're all real? There's this move the needle 327 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 5: for people because I don't think like something like that happened, 328 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 5: nothing changed. 329 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: It's difficult, isn't it. Yeah, I have to try what 330 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: I do. I try and not formulate a final conclusion. 331 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: I allow myself to take the bits of information when 332 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: people come forward, and I add it to the list 333 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: or the pile, and then more people come forward, and 334 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: it gradually, for me, builds a bigger, bigger picture. I 335 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: think it's great that people are willing to talk. It 336 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: is good to hear that these people are getting vetted properly. 337 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: I think that's really important. But yeah, it won't move 338 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: the needle until they bring some real, hardcore evidence, real proof, 339 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: and I think I'll come. 340 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 5: I hope so, man, Because even if you go back 341 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 5: to two thousand and one when they had the disclosure 342 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 5: thing here in America at the at the National Press 343 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 5: Club and they did that, Yeah, I mean, I've interviewed 344 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 5: many of those guys and talked to them and talk 345 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 5: to doctor Greer and everything. The night before that, all 346 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 5: those guys said none of them slept. They were up 347 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 5: all night because they thought the world is going to 348 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 5: change tomorrow. By noon, everybody will know that this phenomenon 349 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: is real and we're going to be living in a 350 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 5: post disclosure world. And it came, some people watch it online. 351 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 5: People in our community went, wow, this is great, and 352 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 5: people outside this community nothing did not move the needle 353 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 5: at all. And that frustrates me. I feel like, is 354 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 5: that really your your barometer that you need them? We 355 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 5: allowed the craft for that to be real. These are 356 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 5: not slatch guys either, These are colonels in the army. 357 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 5: These are all trained, professional guys. I mean, it's you 358 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. 359 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: I do. 360 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 361 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: I think unfortunately with something like that, and we've seen 362 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: it many times in the last sort of twenty five years, 363 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: that we get these moments that we think are really 364 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: going to move the ball down the field. But then 365 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the members of the general public, 366 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 2: they have their everyday lives to look at, and there's 367 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: so much else going on in the world. I mean, look, 368 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, with the disclosure project thing you mentioned there 369 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, it was only a few 370 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: months later that nine to eleven happened. Of course, all 371 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: eyes then completely shift onto nine to eleven and these 372 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: real world events that are happening in real time. So unfortunately, 373 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 2: these these disclosure efforts kind of get shadowed by these 374 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: these things that occur. Absolutely. 375 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 5: Did you pay attention to the congressional hearings that we 376 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 5: had here as recently as November? 377 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: It's great. I mean, it took fifty years for us 378 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: to get, you know, more congressional hearings, and here we are, 379 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: in what two or three years, We've had some really 380 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: vital people, you know, under oath in front of Congress. 381 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: I think that's really important. It would be nice to 382 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 2: have these first hand whistleblowers that we're told about in 383 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: front of Congress. But I think what we have to 384 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: remember as well is that these public hearings are more 385 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: more of a show than what actually gets spoken about. 386 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: In the private hearings, you know, that where the classified 387 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: information is really discussed. I think that's where the real 388 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: progress will happen. But of course anybody watching this is 389 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: can get a bit impatient sometimes, which I understand, but 390 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: they want all of that information, so it's a double 391 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: edged sword. For me. It's great, but at the same time, 392 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: you know, we want the juicy stuff. 393 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 5: I get frustrated at heck when you see guys rush 394 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 5: that come forward and they talk about this and then 395 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 5: you hear, you know, my friends outside the community, all 396 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 5: they hear is these guys saying, yes, I know all 397 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 5: about it, but I can't talk about it here. 398 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean I got used to that. It is, 399 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: I understand that. Yeah. 400 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 5: And then and then you well, I'll talk about it 401 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 5: in a private skiff with you. Do you know Groush 402 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 5: has still not spoken to these guys. I literally I 403 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 5: just found that out a few months ago because I thought, 404 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 5: like an idiot that I am, I assumed. Well a 405 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 5: week later he went in and told them everything never happened. 406 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 5: That's insane. 407 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the politics behind is security clearances. Who's got 408 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: what level to be able to actually sit in the 409 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: skiff and take this information? And I know there was 410 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: a lot of back and forth with that happening, And yeah, 411 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: it's just a whole game behind it all. There's a 412 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 2: lot of frustration in the wholes of Congress about that, 413 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: in the House and in the Senate. So yeah, it's unfortunate, 414 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: it really is. 415 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 5: Let's take a break there, Vinnie. When we come back, 416 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 5: we're going to talk to you more about your overall 417 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 5: thoughts on this phenomenon. After looking at it for nearly 418 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 5: fifteen years. You were listening to beyond contact on the 419 00:20:53,760 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 5: iHeartRadio went coast to coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. We 420 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're speaking 421 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: with Vinnie Adams today from the Disclosure Team. VINNI, so overall, 422 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 5: you've had it over a decade, almost fifteen years of 423 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 5: looking into this topic. Do you personally believe that some 424 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 5: of these UAPs are indeed extraterrestrial or non human origin? 425 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: I do, absolutely, Yeah. I believe that this has been 426 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: going on for as long as mankind has been here, 427 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: if not longer. I think it's just a fact. I 428 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: say that people hate people who pick up on that, 429 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: will like show me the facts. Well, you know, I 430 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: think it's. 431 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 5: Enough for me to or come out of this whole thing. 432 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: Oh I know, No, I mean no. I think there's 433 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 2: enough data and stories and you know, historical records to 434 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: show this. And you know, in my research, I think 435 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: some of the better cases that I would would consider 436 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: to be genuine NHI cases did happen in the fifties 437 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: and the sixties that I just overlooked these days. We're 438 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: looking now at you know, the nimits and all that, 439 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: those kind of cases which are great in themselves, but 440 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: you know, one thing I always say to people is 441 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: go back into the historical record, because there are archived 442 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: documents where you can see a lot of similarities between 443 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: what's happening now and what's been happening in the past. 444 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 5: So where do you sit with the source of this phenomenon? 445 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 5: And I know we're talking about it unknown. I just 446 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 5: like to see where people fall. Like we mentioned earlier, 447 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 5: there's so many different theories that have evolved over the 448 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 5: last few years, from inter dimensional travel to faster than 449 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 5: light speed travel, ultraterrestrials, cryptoterrestrials, extra tempestrials, you know, time travelers. 450 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 5: So where where do you sit and has it evolved 451 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 5: for you over time? 452 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 453 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: It always, it always changes, And I think you know that. 454 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 2: To me, if I sit down and think about the 455 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: extraterrestrial hypothesis that these guys are traveling from vast distances 456 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: into space, I always thought that, you know, that's what 457 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: we're dealing with, we're dealing with et But over the years, 458 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: obviously that's changed with the more study and I've been doing, 459 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: the more people I've been speaking to. So, yeah, the ultraterrestrial, 460 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: crypto terrestrial, interdimensional, But I think that we're probably looking 461 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: at something that may involve all of those things somewhat combined. Again, 462 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: it might be something that we're close to imagining, but 463 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: we're not quite there yet. It'd be so far beyond 464 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: what we can comprehend. We always anthropomorthesize everything. We think 465 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: like a human. Well, we can't think like in an hi, 466 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: and so I think it's just outside of our reach 467 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: what the actual true origin may be. 468 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 5: I got so many of your thoughts on this because 469 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 5: I feel the same exact way. I feel like this 470 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 5: might be so far beyond our comprehension that we just 471 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 5: can't even get our hands around it. You know. It's 472 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 5: like this phenomenon is so much more complex than just 473 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 5: a distant aerospace company that built a shift that flew here, 474 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 5: which is how I started in this, and I think 475 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 5: many of us started with the nuts and bolts thing. 476 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 5: Then it developed and you get to hear the stories 477 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 5: from firsthand witnesses and you learn more about it, and 478 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: there's so many different phenomenon that seem to kind of 479 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 5: overlap with one another. Also, there seems to be this 480 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 5: component even that has to do with our souls or 481 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 5: our higher consciousness. I think I heard Whitley Strieber recently 482 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 5: say that some component from the visitors that definitely involves 483 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 5: death in the afterlife, and I think this rings true 484 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 5: from many of the first hand accounts of people I've 485 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 5: talked to. What do you think about that? 486 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't rule it anything. I don't like that. 487 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 5: You know. 488 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: I did come from a very nuts and balts research background, 489 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: and I've had to lend very quickly for years that 490 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: I need to kind of open my viewpoints upon that 491 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: and really embrace the kind of consciousness aspects of this 492 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: whole phenomenon. I think I can't keep looking at it 493 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: in one dimension. There is so much more to it, 494 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: and that the more the years go by, the more 495 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: these things come out that it is all connected. And 496 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm very open now to not trying to 497 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: pinpoint it down to one single thing, and that you know, again, 498 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: it may be something that's so much bigger than what 499 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: we initially anticipated. 500 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 5: That's one of the hardest things to do doing what 501 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 5: we do is talking about something that's an unknown. The 502 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 5: more people know what's going on, the less I believe them, 503 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 5: the more they're like, Nope, it's actorians, They're coming here. 504 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 5: Every Thursday whatever. The more they know it, the less 505 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 5: I'm likely to believe it. I feel in a certain way, 506 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: the more I learn about this, and the more first 507 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 5: hand accounts I hear, the further from the answers, I 508 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 5: feel like I'm really getting it's getting harder and harder 509 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 5: to get my head around it. And I think this 510 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: is going to be a problem for us that most 511 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 5: people don't talk about. I'm always sort of subconsciously thinking 512 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 5: about not just talking to the choir here, but trying 513 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 5: to bring people that don't know anything about this into 514 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 5: this community and kind of open their eyes to what's 515 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 5: happening here. 516 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: I think it is. 517 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 5: Easier for my mom, let's say, to get her head around, Oh, 518 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 5: there's another planet and people live there, and they built 519 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 5: a craft and fluid here. Oh, I can kind of 520 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 5: imagine that, you know, starting to talk about inner dimensional 521 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 5: talking to people that have died and lived on other planets. 522 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 5: Now it's like, Okay, you lost right. Doesn't it get 523 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 5: more The more complicated this gets. I think it's going 524 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 5: to be harder to relay that to the masses. 525 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree completely, but I always again look at 526 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 2: it when I try and look at things from a positive, 527 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: I think that just hopping that conversation with people about 528 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: this subject is just going to normalize it further down 529 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: the line when we do start getting more information, which 530 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: you know, again I'm confident we will get at some 531 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 2: point in the future. So you know, it's rather than 532 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: me trying to sort of come to a conclusion and 533 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: try and tell people is this or is that, just 534 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: to make the actual conversation itself something that we can 535 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: do without having to kind of really struggle for an answer. 536 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: Just that's just normalized the conversation and the subject in itself. 537 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: I think that helps massively. 538 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 5: I want to ask you, who do you think does 539 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 5: know about this? If anyone? Is it just the US 540 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 5: government or is it really buried in these deep black budget, 541 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 5: unacknowledged programs that we hear about. I think a lot 542 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 5: of these officials, you know, from ERRO or whoever, who 543 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: come out and say they don't know anything and we 544 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 5: don't have anything, they don't know anything. I think these 545 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 5: guys have total plausible deniability because they don't tell them 546 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 5: and that's who they put out there to be the spokesperson. 547 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 5: We just talked earlier that maybe as few as twenty 548 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 5: people in the world know the full picture. You know, 549 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 5: I can imagine that most people don't know the full story. 550 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, I think it will always 551 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: remain compartmentalized right to the top, right, you know, to 552 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 2: those people. I think there will be the small minority 553 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: who may have seen the craft and seen the bodies 554 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 2: and be aware of that, but they may not have 555 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 2: the full picture of you know, where the craft came 556 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: from or or things like that. 557 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 5: So yeah, just how it's getting here. Is it vibrational, 558 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 5: is it inter dimensional? Is it? I mean, even if 559 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 5: you've studied it, I think it's just so far past us. 560 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 5: You can imagine thinking an iPhone to somebody two hundred 561 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 5: years ago, like without all the steps to get to 562 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 5: the iPhone, it would just I don't think they could 563 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 5: even get their head around an iPhone. You know, used 564 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: to see in the movies that take a picture of someone, 565 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 5: you know, at a tribe and it would be an 566 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 5: instant of what do you call those an instamatic camera 567 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 5: where the picture comes right out and they'd be like, 568 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 5: you stole my soul or whatever, Like they didn't get 569 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 5: their head around it, you know. I think I think 570 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 5: an iPhone would do the same thing to somebody without 571 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 5: any frame of reference, you know, it is. 572 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: And so I do struggle slightly with the thoughts that 573 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: a lot of these craft that people see ours, you know, 574 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: the TR three B and those kind of stories. I 575 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: do struggle with that to some degree. I've not seen 576 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: enough evidence or even a hint of evidence to say 577 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: that we've cracked anti gravity in that, whereas a lot 578 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: of people out there will say, well, we cracked anti 579 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: gravity in the nineteen fifties, Well. 580 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 5: Arcor Griss did three We've had it. Yep. 581 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd love to believe it, but I 582 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: can't blindly believe that. I just can't do it. 583 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot of this stuff is as scary to 584 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 5: think about and as unknown as the alien idea itself. 585 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: You know, who has this knowledge and who's doing what? 586 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: You know, we have no idea what let's call it 587 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 5: the alien. We have no idea what the alien agenda 588 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 5: might be, or what it even is. You know, it 589 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 5: could all it could be all of the above. But 590 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 5: there's so many different races we hear about that people 591 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 5: have claimed to have interacted with. There's different experiences people 592 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 5: have claimed to have had and it's really hard to 593 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 5: pin down what's happening, but it's very hard for me 594 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 5: to deny that something is indeed happening. 595 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: Everyone looks at this in different ways, and so it's 596 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: just so hot to really know what's going on. 597 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 5: And I think that you know, we're always looking at 598 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 5: this through our own lens and our own time. They 599 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 5: may even be like waiting for us to evolve to 600 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 5: a certain thing. It's just it's so speculative. So let's 601 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 5: take a break. When we come back, we're going to 602 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 5: talk to any about drones, UAPs, and orbs and other 603 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 5: things people are seeing in the sky. You're listening to 604 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 5: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 605 00:30:38,480 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 5: Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact and 606 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 5: we're talking to Vinnie Adams today. Like me, I don't 607 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 5: think you've ever had a first hand experience with the 608 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 5: phenomenon or really I think you might have mentioned earlier 609 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 5: you had one UFO sweating that may have been a UFO. 610 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: Is that right? Back in twenty twenty two, I was 611 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: part of a team that went out to Columbia to 612 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 2: investigate a light phenomena that had been seen on a 613 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: mountain range out there for hundreds of years, and there 614 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: were these kind of glowing orbs that would appear quite 615 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: rarely on this mountain. So I went out there, spoke 616 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: to a lot of Indigenous people about the phenomena that 617 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: their ancestors had been speaking about, and lo and behold, 618 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: the night before I left, I actually witnessed that phenomena, 619 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: and we actually caught video of it as well. And 620 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: so to see these strange plasma kind of orbs at 621 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: this mountain peak at nighttime where there are no people 622 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: walking up there. The mountains are closed, you know, you 623 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: have to get special permission to walk up them, certainly 624 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: not at night time. So I have seen a strange 625 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: plasma or that is it natural phenomena, a really rare 626 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: earthlight of some sort. Potentially, if I was to believe 627 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: everything that the indigenous people would say, they would say 628 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: it's their ancestors and its spirits, and some of them 629 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: would say it is you know, visitors from other dimensions. 630 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: So that's my one sighting that I've never been able 631 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: to fully conclude. 632 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting, how you know, I have one 633 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 5: little sighting myself that I can't think one you know, 634 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 5: So you and I really haven't had serious experiences or 635 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 5: anything definitive or anything big like many people in the 636 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 5: community have, yet we're so immersed within this community. It's interesting. 637 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 5: What makes you so driven to have such a deep 638 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 5: interest in this topic. 639 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: You know, I grew up, I grew up as a 640 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: child in the nineteen eighties and we were just inundated 641 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 2: with such a plethora of fantastic science fiction movies and 642 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: TV series, and so I think that as a young child, 643 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 2: it really opened my eyes up to the big questions 644 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: of what could be out there and that we're just 645 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 2: not the Bill and end all of you know, the universe. 646 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: And so I think that just I just carried that 647 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: through my life, just having this curiosity to want to 648 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: know more than just this planet, and it never really 649 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: left me. And now that I've been doing this for 650 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: so long, I feel the more I do it, the 651 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: more I need to continue doing it. I could never 652 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: just go, well, there's twenty years now, I quit. I'm 653 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: just not that kind of person. So I'm in it 654 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: for the long run, gotcha. 655 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, this show is UFO centric, of course, but anything 656 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 5: that we don't understand or don't know I'm curious about. 657 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 5: I mean, that's the interesting stuff to me. Hearing what 658 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 5: we already know about over and over on the news 659 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 5: just there's no interest to me whatsoever. I'm only interested 660 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 5: in finding the truth about these things that we don't 661 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 5: know about. You and I are both going to be 662 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 5: taking part in this online conference coming up in March. 663 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 5: I think it's going to be called UFO three sixty Science, 664 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 5: Psionics and Society, and we're going to talk about os 665 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 5: ORBS and government disclosure. There recent drone settings I wanted 666 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 5: to ask you about. It started here I think in 667 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 5: New Jersey around November eighteenth, and we've been dealing with 668 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 5: it for quite some time. Can you give me just 669 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 5: a quick heart take and what you think this is 670 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 5: all about? Wow? 671 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a difficult one because there has been such 672 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 2: a lack of, you know, really clear information on it. 673 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: And this is why it's still to this day is 674 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: kind of ongoing, even though we very recently had a 675 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: White House statement saying that it was just all FAA 676 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,439 Speaker 2: approved drones. Well, I think anybody in this community does 677 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: not buy that for one second. 678 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 5: Why all of a sudden would we do this? And 679 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 5: they said that they're doing research and various other things. 680 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 5: What you couldn't be more vague that that was as 681 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 5: lame of an excuse as I've heard about anything. So 682 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 5: I'm we'll obviously dig deeper into this over on the conference, 683 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 5: but that was pretty disappointing that statement. But we see them, 684 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 5: they seemed to be associated with military bases and nuclear facilities. 685 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 5: Is the same over there. I think I heard that 686 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 5: they were seen near Bentwaters in Rundelsham Forest for you guys, right, 687 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 5: which used to be a nuclear for sort of. 688 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a few bases in that area, so 689 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: they were actually over arif Lakenheath I think at the 690 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 2: start of November, And you know, I was following the 691 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 2: story from day one and have spoken to witnesses over 692 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: here who were going down to the base and filming 693 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 2: these things and seeing them, and you know, there was 694 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: definitely some anomalous activities happening. I'm not saying the objects 695 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 2: necessarily were anomalous, but the way that they were flying 696 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 2: and there was no sound and the lights, and that 697 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 2: these were not your everyday average drones. There was a 698 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 2: lot of confusion. There was fighter jets being sent up 699 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: to try and intercept them. And they were just not 700 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: getting anywhere close to these things. And then obviously it 701 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: switched over to the US, to New Jersey and actually 702 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 2: other places as well. And you know, it's been going 703 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 2: on for a few years here and there as well. 704 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 2: It's not just you know, the end of twenty twenty four. 705 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 2: And I think if you look at the big picture, 706 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 2: I think we've got commercial drones. I think we've got 707 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: some advanced type of drones. There is a very small 708 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: minority of these that actually could be something genuinely anomalous. 709 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,919 Speaker 5: It could be. I just it's so hard to say, 710 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 5: just like all of this stuff, and it struggles from 711 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 5: me because I just wanted to know the answer. I 712 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 5: just hope I lived long enough to get some of 713 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 5: these answers, otherwise I'll feel like all this is all 714 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 5: wasted times. Has your personal worldview changed since you became 715 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 5: involved in the UAP thing. 716 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's And it's changed me as a person. 717 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 2: I think it's made me realize what's important in my 718 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: life a little bit more, you know, materialism and just 719 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 2: the way you live your day to day life. I 720 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 2: think this has kind of made me look at life 721 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: a lot differently. Of what's really important, you know. So 722 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: I think it's made me more empathic to people, and 723 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like I kind of broke 724 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 2: It's kind of a cheesy phrase, but you know, broke 725 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 2: out of that matrix of you know, every day nine 726 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: to five, live to work. Kind of feel much better 727 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 2: being in this kind of situation. 728 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 5: I completely agree. I feel the same way again. And 729 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 5: you often hear many experiencers will say that too, that 730 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 5: they've changed their lives. People that were hunters stop hunting. 731 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 5: They say that they have changed their whole view on 732 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 5: how they should live their lives, which is an interesting 733 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 5: byproduct of this experience. 734 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 2: It really is. Yeah, I mean, I think it's still 735 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: every day as a work in progress as well for 736 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 2: me the way, you know, because I just open to 737 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 2: learning new things and looking at things through a new lens. 738 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 2: And I'm happy to I'm happy to, you know, with 739 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,479 Speaker 2: even with this whole subject, I'm happy to be wrong 740 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 2: about things. You know. I think a lot of people 741 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 2: might not be able to say that because they're so 742 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: convinced that they have the answers and they know this 743 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: is that and that is this. Well, I'm very happy 744 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 2: and confident in myself to say I don't really know 745 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 2: that much, and I'm happy to be to be taught things, 746 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 2: and I'm happy to learn and change my mind and 747 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. 748 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 5: If disclosure does happen, how do you think this would 749 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 5: impact society at large? Like, do you think we're prepared 750 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 5: for this sort of paradigm shift for the regular folks. 751 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really big question. I've contemplated in so 752 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 2: many ways. I think everyone's different in how they'll react, 753 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 2: and I think society based on where they are in 754 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: the world and things like that. You know, I think 755 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: that whatever happens, the human race is resilient. I think 756 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 2: we always bounce back when things happen. It's really hard 757 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: to say. I think, you know, it's when people say 758 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 2: the world isn't ready or the world is ready. I mean, 759 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: I would never want to speak on behalf of anybody 760 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 2: other than myself. I'd like to think that I'm ready, 761 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 2: and then someone might say to me, well, what if 762 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 2: it's really really scary and it's more than that. Well, 763 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 2: I think I'd still want to know. I have a 764 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 2: young daughter. I want to know what kind of world 765 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 2: that she's going to live in, Even when I'm gone 766 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 2: and things like that, you know. So that's the only 767 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 2: real answer I can give is how I would feel. 768 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I understand that, yep, And I wonder. It does 769 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 5: feel to me like there is certainly more of an 770 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 5: awareness happening sort of worldwide, I think, and even just 771 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 5: recently at least here, we're seeing an increase Like I 772 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 5: feel like there's been an onslaught of documentaries and shows 773 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 5: lately that are really well done with really credible people, 774 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 5: and I think that's really, you know, kind of entering 775 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 5: the zeitgeist of you will. Are you seeing that in 776 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,479 Speaker 5: the UK as well? 777 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 2: I mean, we pretty much do get a lot of 778 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 2: the stuff that you guys get. We don't really we 779 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 2: get a few things of our own, but generally is 780 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 2: it's us and I think it's great. I think it's 781 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 2: absolutely wonderful. The amount of people doing podcasts and documentaries 782 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: and TV shows. I think it's great. You know. I 783 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 2: often hear people say that it's too saturated now, there's 784 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: too much out there. Well I disagree. I think the 785 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 2: more we have the better, because it's more eyes, more 786 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: ears listening and watching, being able to then go and 787 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 2: have that conversation with friends and family who may not 788 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 2: have this subject on their radar. I think it's nothing 789 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,800 Speaker 2: but positive. 790 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 5: One last question for you, my man, do you feel 791 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 5: that the Bolivian potato market has been influenced by the 792 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 5: rise and cheap labor in the Venezuela in Venezuela. 793 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 2: Could be you never know? Oh, just a good question. 794 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, hey man, Where can people find your stuff? 795 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: I'm on all kind of social media platforms Instagram, x, 796 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 2: Facebook and YouTube of course have a very familiar black 797 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: and white logo disclosure team. All you need to do 798 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,359 Speaker 2: is type it in and you'll find it. And I'm 799 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 2: always kind of quite active on all of those, so yeah, 800 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 2: it'd be great to see people there. 801 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 5: Awesome, Thanks everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. You could 802 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 5: find all my stuff on Twitter and Instagram, at CD 803 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 5: Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out contact inthedesert 804 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 5: dot com. Stay open minded and rational as we explore 805 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 5: the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio on Coast to 806 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 5: Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 807 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 808 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. 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