WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Sports Interrupted

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot

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<v Speaker 1>screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicky Spagnola. They know it is time for another

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<v Speaker 1>edition of Mixed Shots, and it's very active at Ford

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<v Speaker 1>Center at the Star in Frisco training camp. Practice went

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<v Speaker 1>a little long today, Mickey's there. We passed ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>this morning. They did, They might made it to about

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<v Speaker 1>ten twelve. I think I wrote down, yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell they're they're getting closer and closer to

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<v Speaker 1>the start of this regular season, which is two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>from some day. Cowboys will be playing in that new

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<v Speaker 1>stadium in Los Angeles against the Amazon September thirteen. Everson,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing. I'm doing fine this morning, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a little bit better than than the entire

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<v Speaker 1>sports world. We've had a little shake up that we

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<v Speaker 1>need to talk about this morning, but otherwise I'm in

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<v Speaker 1>good shape, yep. And we'll get into that. Making anything

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<v Speaker 1>of note that you see on so on the practice field,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Cowboys we should point out, as Mike McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>said that his press conference at seven fifteen this morning,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys have already had talks and we'll have future

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<v Speaker 1>talks today about the things that Everson is talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were out on the practice field and they

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<v Speaker 1>got completed at ten twelve, precisely. Ye, the Cowboys did practice.

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed there was about a half a dozen teams

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<v Speaker 1>that decided today not to practice, but the Cowboys went

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<v Speaker 1>through with their regular routine indoors again, or the first

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<v Speaker 1>part for some of the guys outdoors, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>moved indoors and a lot of individual drills, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of just position drills, and then team team type stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for about forty five minutes. Situational things built you know,

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<v Speaker 1>first in ten second and four third and two fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and eight things like that. So maybe some of the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff will see in the scrimmage on some day, so things.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it was you know, another really good practice,

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<v Speaker 1>and they finished off with another kicking session. Didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>an official under the goal post this time, but it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like zerline went six for six. I only saw

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<v Speaker 1>one that was kind of hump did that go in?

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<v Speaker 1>But all the rest were kind of right down the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>So if he made all six of them again, he

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<v Speaker 1>would have been twenty four for twenty four. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>back guys, uh briefly, and they called up Joe Looney

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<v Speaker 1>and Joe Loubi stood while all the players knelt, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and he addressed the team, and I'm assuming uh he

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<v Speaker 1>addressed the team about what took place uh in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they all bowed their heads and I can

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<v Speaker 1>see he let them in a prayer. So that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a sad out here. And I can also

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<v Speaker 1>point out Layton vander essh talking with the media. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>Uh he says to quote right now, we're lined up

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<v Speaker 1>to have discussions about it during our team meeting this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>That's still to come. So that's going to be part

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<v Speaker 1>of the team meeting. And so Everson, you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>jump in with what you're seeing. Of course, as all

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<v Speaker 1>of you know of who have not been buried in

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<v Speaker 1>work here in the last twenty four hours. It started

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday afternoon with the Milwaukee Bucks deciding not to play

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<v Speaker 1>in their NBA playoff game at three o'clock yesterday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>and within about a half hour after that, the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>had postponed all the playoff games, all three of them

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<v Speaker 1>from yesterday. There were three Major League Baseball games that

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<v Speaker 1>were postponed as well as the w NBA canceled their

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<v Speaker 1>games yesterday and Major League Soccer as well. There are

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<v Speaker 1>several teams around the league who have elected not to

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<v Speaker 1>practice today. So Everson weigh in on what you're seeing. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one thing that I love is are the gestures,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are That's exactly what they are. These are

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<v Speaker 1>amazing gestures that really saw a little bit of empathy

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<v Speaker 1>that hadn't hadn't been shown in any sport in our history.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing that I like about it is you've

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<v Speaker 1>got all these other teams, all these other team sports

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<v Speaker 1>that are participating in these gestures, which is really, I

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<v Speaker 1>think an easy thing to do. Easier with a smaller roster.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're talking baseball. You know, they only have about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe fifteen twenty guys that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with on the roster basketball itself, maybe about fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>people that you have to worry about w NBA and NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about soccer a little bit more, but even

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<v Speaker 1>the individual sports such as tennis, one of the young

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<v Speaker 1>ladies decided not to go forward with her semifinal match

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<v Speaker 1>as well in tennis and decided to withdraw from participating.

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<v Speaker 1>And see, these things are These are amazing gestures because

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<v Speaker 1>it's affecting them. Money that these people might get, that

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<v Speaker 1>these athletes might be coming into it can cost them

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of money. But when you're talking about football,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about fifty five players, and having fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>players on the same accord is really tough. I tried

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<v Speaker 1>to do it back in eighty seven when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a union rep. Failed miserably. I might add, all guys,

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<v Speaker 1>they you know, when it comes to football, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>different breed in regards to the players, and it's also

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<v Speaker 1>a different breed when it comes to the owners. They're

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<v Speaker 1>much more staunch about taking care of business and trying

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<v Speaker 1>not to let the outside world interfere. That is old school.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an old school remedy. Now you've got the new

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<v Speaker 1>school remedy to where you gotta be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more empathetic to what's going on. And I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 1>see that. It's a shame what we saw in Wisconsin's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a broken record now, really I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>you've got so much video out there really hyping up

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<v Speaker 1>the thing and the tragedy that ensued from that. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just good to see that at least the players

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<v Speaker 1>are aware of it, and you know, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of this mode I think we are of

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<v Speaker 1>just worrying about well, it's just all about the sport.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about our institution. Every institution is touched by racism, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's including the Dallas Cowboys organization. Throughout history, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way it's been. So I'm just glad that things

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<v Speaker 1>are being talked about and they're being noticed by these

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<v Speaker 1>new this new wave of athletes that are coming through it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Bill and ever since I thought Mike McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>he had a really good comment. He said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we looked the sports to escape the things that are

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<v Speaker 1>going on the pandemic, you know, the hurricane that was

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the post of Louisiana in Texas, and he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>but when it comes to this, he goes, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>escape it. We just can't escape and not talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why he pointed out that when they would

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<v Speaker 1>have their meetings after practice, they would talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>and see what's going on and maybe this example or

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<v Speaker 1>this instance what happened in Kenosha kind of gosh, it

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<v Speaker 1>just highlights the problem of all the things that have

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<v Speaker 1>been going on, right and everything, and all the protests

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<v Speaker 1>and everything we've heard, and yet this policeman still did this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, does not go through your mind when and

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to put yourself in his shoes on why

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<v Speaker 1>he would make a decision to do that, But you

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<v Speaker 1>would think, gosh, you would check yourself, right. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't get it, and I think that is it just

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<v Speaker 1>illustrates the depth of the problem out there. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, guys, and because you know, we're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this instance and we're worried about how the police are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at African Americans and really looking at society. Being

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<v Speaker 1>the policeman, man, it's a scary job. Let's just all

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that it is an extremely scary job. When you

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<v Speaker 1>take that job on, you have to realize what your

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<v Speaker 1>responsibilities are. You have to be a totally different person

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<v Speaker 1>than what we are. You represent law, you represent law

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<v Speaker 1>and order, and you have the gun and all the

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<v Speaker 1>equipment that can enforce that, and so with that brings

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<v Speaker 1>much responsibility I mean so much responsibility to where sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you have to sit back and take a breath and

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<v Speaker 1>not just react so quickly to what I think is

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<v Speaker 1>fear and fear of the unknown. And that lets you

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<v Speaker 1>know just how disconnected the police are. Officers are from

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<v Speaker 1>the community itself. So you know, we in America we

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<v Speaker 1>always try and put a band aid on something before

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<v Speaker 1>we fix the problem. We don't want to go all

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<v Speaker 1>the way back and fix it. They're like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 1>too much work, Let's just start from here. Well, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't put a band aid on something when it's

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<v Speaker 1>an open wound such as what we have here in

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<v Speaker 1>America between the policeman and the African American community. So

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<v Speaker 1>these are things that have to be uh, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to be aware of. We have to we have to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and start almost from scratch. Because the the

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<v Speaker 1>the institutions, the law institutions, law enforcement institutions, they are

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<v Speaker 1>being trained in a way that has brought much confusion

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<v Speaker 1>and much death unnecessarily checking Twitter, The news out of

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA this morning, by the way, is that the

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<v Speaker 1>board of governors are meeting this morning and the players

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and they are postponing games today and they will.

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<v Speaker 1>They are working towards restarting the playoffs on Friday. So

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<v Speaker 1>what will in essence be U two days worth of

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<v Speaker 1>protests here in Dallas. That means the Mavericks game a

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<v Speaker 1>night against the Clippers is postponed until either Friday or Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>But I understand that the meeting last night and Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>James and the Lakers as well as the Clippers, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Kawhi Leonard was leaving the way there there were

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<v Speaker 1>two teams that voted, and basically a poll of the teams.

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<v Speaker 1>They will obviously nothing binding, but they voted not to

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<v Speaker 1>resume the season, to boycott the rest of the season,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've decided now that the league has decided to

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<v Speaker 1>continue on with the playoffs and do what they can

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<v Speaker 1>as far as enacting of some way to help with

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<v Speaker 1>social justice in America, which is an ongoing thing for

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<v Speaker 1>all leagues right now. What what do you anticipate the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys meeting this afternoon to be like? If you I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine it would be something where the coaches will

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<v Speaker 1>give the players all the time that they want in

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<v Speaker 1>order to address whatever whatever they would like to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Yeah, Bill, I think you're exactly right. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Mike wants guys to basically speak up, get their feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>let them say what they feel like they need to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And then again, you know, as as Everson said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got eighty guys out there, and not everybody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to agree with everything. But I think if you have

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<v Speaker 1>an open forum for guys to talk and just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get your feelings out there and then go forward. But

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<v Speaker 1>it appears, you know, they were all in today in

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<v Speaker 1>the practice. I get that it didn't look like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, just not was disinterested. So yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see where it goes. And like I said yesterday, by

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<v Speaker 1>time they finished their basically their walkthrough and their meetings,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they were on their own, as he said,

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<v Speaker 1>when they left for dinner. And then that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>when everything hit. So they really didn't have an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>as a team to address it. And then when you

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<v Speaker 1>start practicing, guys getting ready at seven thirty in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they basically said, Okay, let's practice and then

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about this after the practice. And I gotta say, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, I keep comparing it to the

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven strike because it's about work stoppage. It really

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the bottom linement when it comes to this,

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<v Speaker 1>the decision that they make the example is just like

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<v Speaker 1>here in America as a society, examples have to come

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<v Speaker 1>from the top. The proper example on how to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this has to come from the top. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>have a mixed message coming from the coach and then

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<v Speaker 1>you have the the owner saying something else or acting

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<v Speaker 1>in another way. So when you talk about work stoppage

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<v Speaker 1>in eighty seven, the team that stayed together the best

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<v Speaker 1>in eighty seven after the strike, after we resumed work

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<v Speaker 1>after the work stoppage in eighty seven was the Redskins.

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<v Speaker 1>Their coach, Joe Gibbs was famously known for telling the

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<v Speaker 1>guys either you're all going to be together or you're

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<v Speaker 1>all not going to be together. But whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be together. And in Dallas we were

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we we had scabs going across all our

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<v Speaker 1>superstars went across the line and across the picket line.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was really the beginning of the end for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of players and also for coach Landry and

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<v Speaker 1>that entire management organization. When it came to the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven, Strake, that was we didn't know that we

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<v Speaker 1>were dismantling ourselves with the decisions that we were making

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<v Speaker 1>over at Valley Ranch at the time. So there has

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<v Speaker 1>to be coming together from management that's including coach McCarthy

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<v Speaker 1>and including Jerry Jones in regards to how they deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this, because if you have a mixed message coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the top, then it's just like what I we

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<v Speaker 1>got here in America as a society, You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of you know, bungling idiots running around, I

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<v Speaker 1>know what the hell they're doing. Isn't that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ironic that back then the Redskins were the model team

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<v Speaker 1>franchise that now the situation they're in now totally different.

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<v Speaker 1>Were the difference thirty plus years? Make right? And excuse

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<v Speaker 1>me if I said Redskins does Washington football team? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that it Washington football team? Washington football team? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>And to that point ever since point there, Mickey Mike McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go back, you can go on Dallas Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and watch his entire press conference breaking. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I've seen a press conference where he just

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't start off the press conference, just asking for

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<v Speaker 1>questions and said today and right off the top before

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<v Speaker 1>he asked for any questions, he commented on what he

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<v Speaker 1>was watching and what the team were, the players who

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<v Speaker 1>have been watching the last twenty four hours and m

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<v Speaker 1>and clearly is very bothered by what is going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he you know, has a home in Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>his family's up there and um and so it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>hits close to home for for him having been in

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<v Speaker 1>Wisconsin for the past fifteen years himself. But larger picture,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're getting an idea and more and more

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<v Speaker 1>with the new coach coming in, we're getting a better

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<v Speaker 1>idea of some of the things away from coaching football,

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<v Speaker 1>how to you manage a team and how you're receptive

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<v Speaker 1>to players. We're getting a better idea of why Mike

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy has been successful as an NFL head coach the

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<v Speaker 1>last fifteen years. Well, you know what, I thought, we

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<v Speaker 1>got another example of that that he's not tone deaf

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<v Speaker 1>on how he answered the questions about Earl Thomas when

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<v Speaker 1>everybody at the beginning of the week start peppering him

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<v Speaker 1>with those questions. And I thought the key and while

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<v Speaker 1>he straddled defense like, you know, he wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>say yea or nay. But I thought the key thing

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<v Speaker 1>he said, and this goes to kind of what you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, Bill, He understands the importance of the locker room.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, at the end of the day, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what else happens, my focus as a head coach

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<v Speaker 1>has to be on the locker room. So basically what

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<v Speaker 1>he's saying is, if going to bring in a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that's been on two teams now and things have gone badly,

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<v Speaker 1>can he fit into my locker room? And regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>how good a player he was. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>his emphasis. And I thought again, as you were saying, Bill,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the team and the players, not just a

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<v Speaker 1>body to bring in and play football, And to him,

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<v Speaker 1>that was probably the more important thing than anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, though, if you think of the

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<v Speaker 1>comparison between the coaches now versus the coaches back in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven, you know you're looking at an entirely different

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<v Speaker 1>group of group of coaches. You know, Tom Lagie would

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<v Speaker 1>not even want to be bothered with anything like this,

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<v Speaker 1>which he was never wanted to be bothered with anything

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't have something to do with football. That is

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<v Speaker 1>the old school way Tom Lagie was born, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>back in the forties or whatever. So you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a different mentality these days, not just from from coaches,

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<v Speaker 1>but also from fans. You know, the NFL and all

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<v Speaker 1>of sports. They're going to lose a lot of fans

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<v Speaker 1>because you've got old school fans are like, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>tuned into mix shots just to talk, just to hear

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<v Speaker 1>football talk. I don't want to hear anything else. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so tired of watching the videos, which I am as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so tired of watching videos and all the arguing. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're you're bringing your mixing society with sports. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you were never supposed to separate the two. Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>be real about it, because life goes on when those

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<v Speaker 1>players leave the field. And as social media and all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, you know, starts to to to to flourish,

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<v Speaker 1>it does mud the issue a little bit because now

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<v Speaker 1>you have to worry about things other than sports. As

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, sometimes what's going on those other

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<v Speaker 1>things they are more important than sports. So as much

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<v Speaker 1>as you're gonna lose a lot of fans in regards

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<v Speaker 1>to this new way of sports and new way of

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<v Speaker 1>looking at athletics. You're also going to gain a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fans that were staying away from sports because it

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<v Speaker 1>was so myopic, you know. And then the other part

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<v Speaker 1>of that is if if there are issues, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, that are impacting the majority of the

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<v Speaker 1>players on your team did not affect your team, and

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<v Speaker 1>you have to you have to get a handle on that.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to address it. And we never we never

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<v Speaker 1>did back in the eighties. That just wasn't And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just talking Cowboys, I'm talking just all the sports.

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<v Speaker 1>We never want to deal with anything outside of sports

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<v Speaker 1>as much as it was affecting us all when we

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<v Speaker 1>went home away from our arenas. All right, we're just

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<v Speaker 1>getting started on this edition of Mixed Shots, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to preview what's coming up this weekend. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be a part of that and much more coming

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<v Speaker 1>District dot com mickey, are you taking advantage of the

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<v Speaker 1>as you're back at the Star, I haven't done any

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<v Speaker 1>takeout here. And as for sitting in a restaurant and eating,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've done that since like March thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>I have taken advantage of it. People. My wife, myself,

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<v Speaker 1>my daughter, and my business partner. We went to the

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<v Speaker 1>Star area and we ate some good food. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a great time, great conversation. My wife was starving for

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<v Speaker 1>some social interaction, so I had to take it out there.

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<v Speaker 1>We wouldn't even let the waitress didn't even have time

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<v Speaker 1>to serve people because we kept just monopolizing her time

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<v Speaker 1>because we hadn't talked to anyone outside of our own household.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I understand not going. I understand not wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to go, but we couldn't take it anymore. We just

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<v Speaker 1>had to go. We had a great time too, had

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<v Speaker 1>a great time. All right, NICKI gonna tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>practice today. Let's go in depth with what you saw,

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<v Speaker 1>what stood out for you at practice this morning. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it always seems to happen this way and ever since

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<v Speaker 1>probably experience this. It's like injury. These are like a disease.

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<v Speaker 1>They attack one part of the team and then it

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<v Speaker 1>goes and attacks another part of the team. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys were having problems at on the offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>with both Tyrant Smith and Lale Collins, and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>their presumptive swing tackle Cam Irving. We're all missing practice

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<v Speaker 1>all last week. In the beginning of this week, well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least today, Tyrn Smith and Lale Collins had their

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<v Speaker 1>uniforms on their helmets and pads and they did individual

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<v Speaker 1>drills before they left to go do their rehab drills.

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<v Speaker 1>Cam Irving actually got back into team practice for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time today. Now, the last couple practices this week

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<v Speaker 1>he was at least out there in individual drills, and

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<v Speaker 1>today was the first time he actually participated in team drills.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had him lined up basically at left tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>taking tyre and spot. But at least those guys looked

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<v Speaker 1>like they're getting closer. Well with that happened, now, the

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<v Speaker 1>attention went to the cornerback position. Hitabey A Woozier on

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<v Speaker 1>getting my day's confused Monday, he looked like he suffered

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat of a leg injury. He tried to go on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and after a couple of individual drills he pulled out.

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<v Speaker 1>So today he basically was on the chords outside at

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<v Speaker 1>the resistant chords and was rehabbing and he didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Lewis is still out with the ankle injury he

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<v Speaker 1>suffered the previous week, and Mike McCarthy had said that

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<v Speaker 1>he probably would miss this entire week. They were hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to get him back, and then having the last two practices,

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<v Speaker 1>they were using Darryl Worley and the rookie Reggie Robinson

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<v Speaker 1>at safety. They were down to five corners today, so

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<v Speaker 1>those guys got a pretty good workout out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at least for guys like Deante Burton and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Westry, they were getting a whole lot of snaps

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<v Speaker 1>that they probably wouldn't have gotten. So the cornerback position

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit stretched thin. And then going back

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<v Speaker 1>to the offensive line. Before they even got into team practice,

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<v Speaker 1>they were just doing these individual drills where you would

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<v Speaker 1>come off the line and just kind of meet a

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 1>guy across the across from you. Mitch Hyatt went down

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<v Speaker 1>and they ended up carting him off with looked like

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<v Speaker 1>an apparent right knee injury. Yes, so, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that was helping out with the depth along

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<v Speaker 1>with Brandon Knight and gosh, it was another practice. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>it was an all comers meet with the defensive ends

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<v Speaker 1>at Dak Prescott. They can't block those guys. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're gonna read that, uh you know, Trayvon digs

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<v Speaker 1>or No, it was u haha, Clinton Dix had an interception. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened was Dak would have got sacked right and

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<v Speaker 1>then he just kind of threw the ball up and

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<v Speaker 1>he overthrew the Uh it was one of those Larry

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<v Speaker 1>Brown interceptions, right, he got b but the ball flew

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<v Speaker 1>over the wide receiver's head and went right to him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So so haha was the MVP. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be player today for somebody. And it's like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's put some context into the interception, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, they were just having trouble, you know, blocking

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. There was a couple of times, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of plays in a row where DeMarcus Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, zip by Uh Terrence Steele. I mean, they've

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<v Speaker 1>got guys back there that I don't know if they're

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna make the team, but they've got they're kind of

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 1>forced to work with the first team, so uh that

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>that was somewhat problematic out there. Uh, they did work.

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>They did have a session where they worked a lot

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>on the on the run game. Somebody early in the

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>week uh told McCarthy, it doesn't look like Zeke's going

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to touch the ball because you don't really run the

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>ball in practice, and you know they're practicing in segments,

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>and so today was a little bit more run orient.

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought. Tony Pollard had another day and UM, keeping

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>an eye on this Regal Doubtle. He's really getting some

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.719
<v Speaker 1>opportunities and maybe push the envope a little bit. If

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>they decide to keep three running backs. I don't know

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>that they will uh and I don't know that they'll

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>keep a fullback. Uh uh. But the kid from uh TCU,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the LUA did I get it? Yeah, Alona Luaga sa

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Alona Lua. He actually I think on Tuesday they did

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a little goal line Monday or Tuesday and he got

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>as Skip Pete said the running backs coach. He said

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>he got a couple of good strikes in their meaning

0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>blocks and he had a nice run to day on

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 1>fourth and short. So I like you a lot. Yeah,

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I think he's versatile and as long as he you

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>know in the song. And here's the hard part. You

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>guys a lot of this stuff for these backups that

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about, it comes down to special teams. But

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to have any live special teams till

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>September thirteenth, So it's kind of hard to prove yourself that, hey,

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm a good Special teams player when you're just doing

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>special teams drills out there because they're not lighting anybody up. Well,

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what the accelerated pace is. Just like

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I talked about last week, it's it's proving out to

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 1>have accelerated injuries as well. It seems like spags because

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you've got all of these different groups that are being affected.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Uh some of them, it's just a matter of timing.

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>When you're talking about an ankle injury from Jordan Lewis,

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>that's just a matter of not really having your your

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>your upper body uh in congruence with your lower body.

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's just really about balance and in regards

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>to your own body. And that's kind of those those

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>injuries that you're going to see a lot of the

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>muscle injuries that you're gonna look at, those are all

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>about just really not being in shape and your your

0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>your uh, your tendoms are not really prepared for this

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 1>change in pace that your body has been accustomed to

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>throughout the off season. And even with the defensive backs,

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I think with a Woozier uh he made he was

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>injured making an interception, Am I right? I believe it

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 1>did happen at that point, Yes, well, I'm pretty sure

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>his body was kind of allergic to making plays like that.

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>So you know, uh, those are the kind of that

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to deal with. You know, he's he's

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 1>looking back for the ball. Now. I don't think his

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>body is accustomed to his hand telling you're looking for

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the ball. But I love the effort. It looked good.

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I saw that on video, and of course he would

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>come up. You know, it didn't look like he was

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 1>limping at the time, but he came up a little

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>lane at the time. But I hope that doesn't discourage

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>him from trying to make more plays on the ball.

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's let's pray that he doesn't do that, you know,

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>And I thought I noticed one of the things to

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>try to not tire these guys out. Like they're rolling

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>guys in and out. It's a huge rotation. And it's

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>like when they when they have like the first team

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>off what looks like the first team offense out there,

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>and if they run of the pass pattern and the

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>receivers are down field, they don't. They don't wait till

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>those guys come back. They get in the huddle and

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>there's another three receivers in h and he's rolling the

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>same thing with the linebackers, the defensive line. They're rolling

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>guys in and the pace is pretty quick, but it's

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 1>quick with different guys. I don't know how they keep

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 1>tracked of how all the guys are in and out.

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>You know. If this was hockey, they would have too

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>many men on the field. But they're done a pretty

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>good job of having eleven on eleven and then they

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>they've gone back to this old drill. Ever since that,

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen the Cowboys using it in a while.

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>They used to use it. Jimmy used it. I think

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Switzer use it. It's eleven on nine where they don't

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>use two defensive linemen on the backside to basically make

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>sure no one's getting rolled up on, and so a

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of their practices, you know, and that was my

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>concern about the past protection. There's only two guys rushing

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and they're still getting to the quarterback. Yeah, but those tackles, Mickey,

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>they're not going to be playing in games starting September thirteenth, right, Yeah, absolutely,

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Collins and Tyrn Smith will will be back out there.

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>The hopes are that Cam Irving is the swing tackle.

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>He's got some experience. He's played almost every position on

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line, I think instead of center. And speaking

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:21.240
<v Speaker 1>of center, the rookie Tyler beadish Is is really starting

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>to come on. Uh. You know, it's too bad he

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.840
<v Speaker 1>didn't have preseason to get in games and kind of

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 1>show him what he can do. But he's he's a

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.439
<v Speaker 1>pretty tough little sucker in there. Uh. And I think

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.919
<v Speaker 1>from a you know, once he gets the recognition down,

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 1>I think he's going to be a pretty pretty good,

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty good center for the Cowboys. How about Tylan Smith?

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>What is what is his injury? Is it a recurring injury?

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Because when he goes down. Our offensive line totally changes.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>It's in thy kevy. Yeah. I think he had a

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 1>tight hamstring, and that's all you've got to hear, not

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>a pull or strain. If it's tight on ty, it's like, okay,

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>go sit over there with September thirteenth is what we're

0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>worried about, right. And the same thing with Lal Collins.

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>He he had somewhat of a tight back, I was told,

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and it was kind of a leftover from last year

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>when end of the season he was having some back

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.319
<v Speaker 1>issues and it kind of flared up again in the

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>off season before they even got here, and so they

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>were just being very cautious with him too, And so

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.320
<v Speaker 1>knowing the Cowboys trainers and their mentality on this stuff,

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you know, you don't have to play a

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.439
<v Speaker 1>game on September first, you got to play a game

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 1>on September thirteenth. Let's make sure we can get these

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>guys to the game. You know, you think about what

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys are going through injury wise at the tackle position,

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and this would be the third preseason game this weekend,

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and I would think they probably the first team offense.

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.319
<v Speaker 1>You'd be hard press to to make that decision to

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 1>send Dak Prescott in the first team offense out there

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:10.359
<v Speaker 1>to play in the actual preseason game. When you've got

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.799
<v Speaker 1>what you've got lining up at offensive tackle right now,

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>go absolutely, you'd be calling a lot of running plays,

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I guarantee you. And it may not be handing the

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>ball to twenty one or twenty either. It would be

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.919
<v Speaker 1>a lot of quick a lot of quick passes. But

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 1>you know what, the way they're doing it, they're given

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>some of these young guys like today John Vay Johnson,

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>who had a really good training camp last year and

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 1>then when the preseason game started he kind of faded

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 1>away a rookie wide receiver and he had a nice

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>day to day. And another guy that's gotten more opportunities lately,

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:51.239
<v Speaker 1>it was Noah Brown and Bill. You know, I got

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>so tired of everybody wanted to talk about Noah Brown

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, well, yeah, he's a good blocker. Well,

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't want my wide receivers to be a good blocker,

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean being good catchers. Right. Well, you know what,

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 1>I noticed that he dropped his listed weight from last

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>year this year and and by the way, the last

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 1>two years he was on injured reserve with an injury

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and then they just kind of left him there because

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to keep his right rights. Well, he's dropped

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 1>some weight. He looks more like a wide receiver now

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>than a tight end and he did years yea laster

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:30.879
<v Speaker 1>now and he's getting downfield and catching the ball. Uh.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>So to me, you know, we know who the top

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>three receivers are. And then after that, Cedric Wilson has

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>been really good and Noah Brown's coming on. So I

0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:45.320
<v Speaker 1>won't pick on him if he can continue to play

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>like that and tell me he's a good blocker. Okay,

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Well I tell you what this would be the Uh,

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>this part of the training camp would usually be those

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 1>dog days of training camp stags, you know, where the

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>monotony is just really getting to you, especially to the veterans.

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>But speaking as a as a free agent, former free agent,

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>this was my time back in eighty one to really

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>make a difference in regards to the coach's eyes. My

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.720
<v Speaker 1>first drill, I got cursed out by Jane Stallins. After

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>that I start to make up for it. So these

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>are the times, the preseason games where you get in

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and try to make a difference, and especially in practice

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 1>These are the times when a younger player, someone who

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't as heralded as the other players that were drafted

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>or signed along with him in his class. These are

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the times where you can make a difference and let

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the coaches see you. No special teams like you talked about, Spag,

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 1>but when it comes to one on one, when you

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>put me in there with an entire team, or you

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 1>put me in there on seven on seven, this is

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the time that I get to make a difference. And

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.919
<v Speaker 1>so I'm hoping some of the young guys really take

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>advantage this time, and like you're speaking of, some of

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>these they are doing it and some of them hopefully

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 1>can supplies the coaches. Yeah, one of the young free

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 1>agent rookie linebackers that has least got his hand up

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>in the air to say hey, I'm here, Francis Bernard

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 1>six foot two forty two from from Utah. The guys

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>made some plays on the ball, and he keeps showing up.

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:30.760
<v Speaker 1>So even today he got some extra snaps because Luke Gifford,

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the free agent linebacker who made the team last year,

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>was not dressed out for practice, so he got to

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>move up a notch and and so there's an example

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of a guy getting some more reps and an opportunity

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>to do things. And he would be a guy that

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>if they were really doing special teams live, I think

0:39:51.280 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>he would show up. And that's how Gifford kind of

0:39:54.719 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>got his name in the uh you know, kind of

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>everybody to look at him last year because some special

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 1>teams things he was doing. So yeah, there are some

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 1>young guys. Because they're rotating guys so quickly and going

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 1>so fast, they're getting opportunities. So did they ask you

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>to play special teams you're rookie year? Oh yes, I

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:20.320
<v Speaker 1>played special teams my entire career all right, West Team

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.800
<v Speaker 1>pump return, first team pump return, first team field goal block,

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 1>first team pump No, all of that first team pump return.

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I was on everything. I was leading the league and

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 1>interceptions when I was still on the bench, and Charlie

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Waters and Dennis Thurman they would make mike downs and

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>myself practice every play. We were. We were the dummy

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>squad as well. So I can't tell Charlie Waters he's

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>in the last of his career. Dennis Thurman, hey man,

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I need a breakout here. They're like, okay, we'll find somebody,

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>but it hope me me so, yes, I was. I

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>was always that guy. You know. The funny thing is

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.399
<v Speaker 1>now that that's funny you say that because McCarthy made

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>this comment. Maybe it wasn't McCarthy, you know what, I

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>think it was Jim Tom Sula. He was talking about

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the rotation and all the guys getting in there, and

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>he goes, I got guys fighting to go and get snaps.

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>He goes, I can't keep him out. You know. It's

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like somebody said, well, will you fight him? He goes, oh, no,

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>not at all, but but he said, that's kind of

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>guys I've got on that defensive front. All right, we

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 1>continue with big shots here, just so it's about time

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>somebody did that. And uh, I wonder what Mickey, what

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 1>road Mickey wants to go down here? In just a moment,

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I know what road I want to go down with Everson.

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to a rookie wide receiver

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 1>breaking into the NFL and what a veteran cornerback tries

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>to do to him with Everson and when we come back, Hey,

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 1>they're Cowboys fans with ty cleaners at home pickup and

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>delivery cleaning your clothes has never been more convenient. Simply

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:13.080
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<v Speaker 1>difficult the transition is for a rookie receiver as a

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 1>first round draft pick coming into the NFL. How different

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 1>is it for CD Lamb going up against NFL cornerbacks

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to say, big twelve cornerbacks or even LSU

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:55.839
<v Speaker 1>cornerbacks like he did in a college football playoff last year.

0:44:56.239 --> 0:45:00.280
<v Speaker 1>And what as I'll set this up for you, ever person.

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>A couple of weeks ago, Michael Irvin was interviewing ceedee

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Lamb on the NFL net work, and he was reminiscing

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 1>about his rookie training camp with the Cowboys, and he

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 1>said that there was a veteran cornerback by the name

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:20.240
<v Speaker 1>of Everson Walls who gave him fits during that first

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 1>training camp. But he looks back on that as a

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>great time for him because he had someone like Everson

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.359
<v Speaker 1>who basically taught him the ropes of how to try

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.240
<v Speaker 1>to get open in this league. Because and so Everson,

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>what did what did? What do you remember from those

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>battles in training camp in Thousand Oaks in the late eighties. Well,

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I think the bad drop on that was, you know,

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>when we bought Mike in as a team, we would

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 1>headed downhill. There's no doubt about it. That was Tom

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Laddie's last year, if I'm not mistaken, And we didn't

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 1>know it at the time, but but signing Mike was

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>just a big hype. And I had never seen really

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver talk so much trash who had never

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:09.359
<v Speaker 1>even been on the field yet. And you know, but

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.360
<v Speaker 1>but I knew that he was, you know, he was

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be he was gonna be around for a while.

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 1>So of course, you know, I tried my best to

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 1>make sure that he knew what it was gonna be like.

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 1>And one thing you don't want as a veteran defensive

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 1>back who's you know, already did all the things that

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I could do as a cowboy. I can't let this

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>rookie coming here and show me. You know, I think

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 1>he was like eight years my senior. I'm eight years

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>his senior, and I couldn't let him come out here

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and embarrassed me because of course when he lined up,

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>everyone's watching, So I had to come out with my

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.839
<v Speaker 1>best stuff. Bill, you know, I couldn't just jack him

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:48.600
<v Speaker 1>up at the line of scrimmage. I pulled out one

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of my best tricks of what we call the bill technique.

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I would line up as if I'm gonna jack him up,

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:58.879
<v Speaker 1>and then I would bail out and play his own well.

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 1>I used that this guy, but we were still in

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>man to man, so as I bailed out within five yards,

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I stood in my ground, and so he thought I

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>was gonna continue to bail But I met him within

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 1>those five yards, and I met him with a lot

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.720
<v Speaker 1>of force. Both he and I about the same size.

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>So you're looking at at two guys. You know, you're

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>looking at six two d being the six two wide

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 1>receiver really going at it. One thing that Ceedee Lamb

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 1>will not be going up against, he will not be

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>going up against in practice, is at all pro defensive back.

0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>That's one thing he has to realize. So it's only

0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna get tougher as he gets into the season. A wusier,

0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>good player. You've got good cornerbacks out there for the Cowboys.

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>But if you're gonna be you're gonna be going up

0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 1>against some dynamic individuals. If I'm not Jalen Ramsey, yes,

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that's who you're gonna have to deal with first game.

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 1>And not only is he going to try and take

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 1>your heart, he's gonna he's gonna try and demean you

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 1>as he does it. So these are the things that

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Ceedee lamp ever came up against

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 1>what he did against those dbs in the Big Twelve

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>in the NC Double A, he must look forward to

0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 1>some of those things being turned around and happening to him,

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 1>because he will have his embarrassing moments. Trust me, they

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:28.279
<v Speaker 1>will come. Mickey, do you remember watching ever single up

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:33.320
<v Speaker 1>against Michael at training camp? Very vaguely because I think

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>that eighty eight training camp was I only spent a

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:44.880
<v Speaker 1>year at training camp that year, and after that, Tom

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't let us watch practice. By the way, that I

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 1>was not gonna happen once the season started, I guarantee you.

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>And then in eighty nine. Now I was at training

0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 1>camp in eighty nine. But I think Mike matured a

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.319
<v Speaker 1>little bit by time he got to that second year.

0:49:05.400 --> 0:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>By the time he got to his second year, I

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:12.240
<v Speaker 1>would call he really impressed me. Uh. First of all,

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 1>after his first year he was hurt the entire season

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty much, and his first his his his first game

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:21.879
<v Speaker 1>back was the last game of the season. If from

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the mistake it was, it was a game he toasted.

0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>He toasted future Hall of Famer Daryl Green for a

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 1>couple of touchdowns and almost two hundred yards in receiving.

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.279
<v Speaker 1>So now he goes into the off season and here

0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:42.240
<v Speaker 1>comes his boy Jimmy and Jerry, and boy, you saw

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 1>you saw his uh his participation in practice and his

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>his uh his level of aggressiveness. You saw that uped

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it was even up another chick. And so that's when

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you start to see the Michael Irvin that you see today.

0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 1>His rehab was some of the most uh groomsome and

0:50:04.680 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 1>just tiring and intense uh activity. I've never seen anyone

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>work so hard to coming back from that injury, and

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.439
<v Speaker 1>that continued throughout his entire Hall of Fame career. So

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it was just good to be a part of that

0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>because this guy was amazing. Yeah, I didn't get a

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:25.279
<v Speaker 1>chance to cover that game against the last game of

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.920
<v Speaker 1>the season because you guys were on your way to

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:32.240
<v Speaker 1>three and thirteen, and there was a yeah already by

0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 1>time that game was already said I think I had

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.759
<v Speaker 1>my vacation plans already. There was a more important game

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 1>going on in the NFC East, and they sent me

0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the Dallas Times. Harold sent me to another game to cover.

0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:47.000
<v Speaker 1>They said, nah, we need you to do this. So

0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:50.919
<v Speaker 1>I missed his kind of coming out party. And then

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:53.479
<v Speaker 1>in eighty nine, I think it was five games into

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the season against San Francisco, when he's tour as ACLU

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>and by the way, his re So this is funny.

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:07.080
<v Speaker 1>We were both living in Carrollton at that time and

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>our path to Valley Ranch was the same. And I

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 1>remember one time it was after his surgery and it

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:18.400
<v Speaker 1>probably was early nineties, and I'm driving down Trinity Mills

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and down the middle of the street. There wasn't a

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 1>median there. It was the middle of the street, and

0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:29.120
<v Speaker 1>I see this big guy on a bicycle and I've

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 1>never seen a seat so high on a bicycle peddling

0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>down the middle of the road. It was Michael peddling

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 1>to Valley Ranch, probably a good five or six miles,

0:51:40.120 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>part of his rehab that he was serious about in

0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.359
<v Speaker 1>the offseason. I said, he's gonna scare everybody, this big

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.520
<v Speaker 1>guy like that coming down the middle of the road. Well,

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mike has to always be seen at Valley

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.399
<v Speaker 1>ranch are out in the streets. That's just the way

0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 1>it was. So that was just the shape of things

0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.759
<v Speaker 1>to come stag. Yeah, absolutely, that was the way it

0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 1>was with Michael, and it is the way it is

0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:08.879
<v Speaker 1>with Michael today. All right, So how about Mickey, where

0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:11.280
<v Speaker 1>do you think the Cowboys are at the safety position?

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Because obviously the Ravens let go Earl Thomas earlier in

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>the week that's been in the headlines whether the Cowboys

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 1>should be interested in Earl Thomas. What are you seeing

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 1>at the safety spot and should the Cowboys be interested in? Well,

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the sure thing at safety is Xavier Woods. They really

0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 1>like him and he's played well, so he's won safety.

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Now they've been rotating guys at the other spot. Darien

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Thompson's been getting a lot of snaps lately and so

0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:49.520
<v Speaker 1>they they like him. Now where Earl fits in, I

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's it's more than can this guy come in

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and play? I think we probably know the answer that

0:52:56.040 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 1>he can. But again, you would like a guy on

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>your team that doesn't have as many interceptions as he

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:08.840
<v Speaker 1>has fights in the locker room with his teeth and

0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:13.799
<v Speaker 1>that's two each from last year, right, So you got

0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:17.879
<v Speaker 1>to factor that in and then you know, I've always said,

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and I learned this, and I'm sure Everson will agree

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:23.600
<v Speaker 1>with me. When you're looking for personnel decisions, who's playing,

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:27.560
<v Speaker 1>who's going whatever, I always said, follow the money, right.

0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:32.960
<v Speaker 1>So if you look at the situation he was in Baltimore,

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:41.839
<v Speaker 1>if if they don't get win their grievance and get

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.880
<v Speaker 1>his base salary back, which was a guaranteed ten million,

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Now if he has ten million in his pocket, then

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you know I might be able to get him for

0:53:51.000 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 1>cheap because if I give him three million, he's made

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 1>thirteen million this year. But if the Ravens win that

0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:00.799
<v Speaker 1>grievance and they get that money back, He's not going

0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.920
<v Speaker 1>to play for three million dollars. He wants his ten million.

0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 1>And the other thing that stuck out to me on

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:11.440
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing is the Ravens discontent with him. They

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:14.280
<v Speaker 1>were so fed up with him they took a fifteen

0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:17.600
<v Speaker 1>million dollar hit this year. If they don't get that

0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:21.520
<v Speaker 1>money back on the salary cap, it's dead money, and

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:23.799
<v Speaker 1>then ten more next year to get rid of them.

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 1>So that's how badly they wanted him out of the

0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:34.399
<v Speaker 1>locker room. So again, talent, Yes, could he fit in, Yes,

0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 1>but would he fit into this locker room? And how

0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 1>much does he want to be a part of the team.

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 1>And I think, how do you judge that until you

0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 1>have the guy here? So to me, it's got to

0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>be a you know, you play, you get paid kind

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of contract. Hey, to me, this is just like a marriage.

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:58.840
<v Speaker 1>And regards to Arrol Thomas and the Ravens, they already

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:01.520
<v Speaker 1>had underlying content issues. I mean, let's just be real

0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>about that. They've been having issues since he came up

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>to the Cowboys and then to Jason Garrett really campaigning

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.359
<v Speaker 1>for himself to come here. So there's always been some

0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>issues between that organization and with Earl Thomas. So that

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:20.839
<v Speaker 1>just continued. I mean, when you come into the locker

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.840
<v Speaker 1>room and you know that that that condition is there,

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>you can feel it every time you come into the

0:55:26.239 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 1>locker room, So your attitude is going to depict what

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:32.560
<v Speaker 1>you're feeling at that time. I felt it in nineteen

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. You know one to fifteen team. I mean,

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you come in every day every week, is the same.

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:42.319
<v Speaker 1>We're losing. We're losing. Well with Earl Thomas, it wasn't

0:55:42.320 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 1>that they were losing. I think he was losing the

0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:48.759
<v Speaker 1>battle between himself and the organization. So there's still a

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 1>loss there that you feel, there's still a riff there.

0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 1>And so that argument that he may have had with

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:58.399
<v Speaker 1>his teammate or whatever arguments he's having with management, that

0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:00.879
<v Speaker 1>is something that was just that was just the tip

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of the iceberg. And let's just be real about that.

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:06.360
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't wait for this to happen. I'm sure he

0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 1>couldn't wait for it to happen either, So this is

0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 1>just the time to do it. It's just a matter

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:14.319
<v Speaker 1>of how you're gonna split up the money, like you said,

0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Fags and regard in regards in regards to him fitting

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 1>in into the Cowboys locker room, you would hope that

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 1>that would look You would look at that as a

0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 1>different relationship, just like a marriage. As I said, hopefully

0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 1>this young lady might work out, and you might be

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.279
<v Speaker 1>more compatible with this young lady than you were with

0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>your previous wife. So that's just the only way you

0:56:37.200 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 1>have to look at it. He may not come to

0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the locker room with the same attitude that he had

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:46.040
<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore, because he might look at this as a

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:50.280
<v Speaker 1>totally different situation and a better relationship. So that's something

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that the Cowboys have to figure out if they even

0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>have a chance to talk with Earl and see where

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:58.160
<v Speaker 1>his head is at in regards to his attitude coming

0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:01.640
<v Speaker 1>into this locker room. Leave all of that baggage back

0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore. Yeah, I just think from a contract standpoint,

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you've got to have a safety net in there that

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you just can't guarantee him this amount of money and

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>then something flares up like it did. Look, I read

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 1>a story in the Baltimore paper and it was talking

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:21.880
<v Speaker 1>about before they let him go, their leadership committee or

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>whatever they call it, the top veteran guys. They got

0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 1>together and they basically said, we want him out of here.

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:32.720
<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about a team that's gotten designs on

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 1>winning a Super Bowl. And and and if I remember correctly,

0:57:36.600 --> 0:57:39.040
<v Speaker 1>he did get selected to the Pro Bowl last year

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>even though he only had two interceptions, and they said, no,

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 1>get him out of here. Because the guy in Kolcock

0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 1>was one of the team leaders, it might have been

0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 1>even a team captain, and it was a good guy

0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.640
<v Speaker 1>in the locker room. So Arl Thomas used to be

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:58.280
<v Speaker 1>part of the veteran council, so to speak. So that's

0:57:58.320 --> 0:58:02.000
<v Speaker 1>how they held him in high regard until these last

0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:05.520
<v Speaker 1>few years. The last couple of years well, and seeing

0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the same thing kind of wore out as welcome in Seattle.

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, now he wore is welcome out there. So

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think you got to look into that

0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.959
<v Speaker 1>and figure out, Okay, how much of a difference would

0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:21.840
<v Speaker 1>he make on this defense. But I'll tell you what, guys,

0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:25.080
<v Speaker 1>when you look at this, this defensive line, and with

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the addition of Everson Griffin and and all those poor

0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 1>young tackles, they oh, gosh, I saw one. I saw

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:39.560
<v Speaker 1>one coming today where he's lined up at defensive end

0:58:39.560 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and he kind of rushes and he gets the guy

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to the outside, and I'm going, oh, he's gonna do

0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a spin move and go inside right, And there was

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.120
<v Speaker 1>a huge hole, and of course he did, and he

0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:53.720
<v Speaker 1>just went and he would have obliterated the quarterback. Right. So,

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.200
<v Speaker 1>when you put him on that defensive line and you

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 1>got guys like Alden Smith and DeMarcus Lawrence and then

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:03.400
<v Speaker 1>whoever you want the fourth guy in there, throw them

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:06.200
<v Speaker 1>in there. Uh, they're going to create some problems, which

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:10.400
<v Speaker 1>is going to help out your secondary uh. And and

0:59:10.440 --> 0:59:13.840
<v Speaker 1>so this will be an interesting deal with this defense

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 1>because uh just Nolan, Nolan's background, he's going to be

0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:23.600
<v Speaker 1>more aggressive. Uh and and and the thing everybody keeps

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about the players, even the cornerbacks, is how they're

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:30.720
<v Speaker 1>disguising more of their coverages. It's like the coverages aren't

0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:34.040
<v Speaker 1>that much different, but we're not showing our hand before

0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:37.280
<v Speaker 1>we get into what we're really gonna do. And and

0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 1>uh even that, and they're hoping that that pressure that

0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:44.120
<v Speaker 1>they bring up front, the cornerback will not have nearly

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 1>enough time to decipher the coverage, right, And that's what

0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 1>that's what the that's the advantage of being more aggressive

0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and more unpredictable. And I think they're the linebackers are

0:59:54.040 --> 0:59:57.440
<v Speaker 1>being more active, uh in in in their defenses and

0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:01.240
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing so as Mike Nolan's style. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to And I kind of said this the

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<v Speaker 1>other day when I did my segment on the Fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying, you know, unless that safety is kind

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:15.000
<v Speaker 1>of Darren Woodson safety, I'm not paying them big money.

1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I just don't want to do that. And then I

1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:19.560
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, Okay, I'm gonna say this to Everson and

1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.720
<v Speaker 1>he finished his career play at safety. It makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what you're talking about. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>about this? They go, oh, that's good that you told

1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:32.840
<v Speaker 1>us that. Because we've got Woodie tomorrow for an interview.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll tell him Smagnola doesn't value the safety. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a little upset right when I when I

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<v Speaker 1>said it, I meant it from a financial like where

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<v Speaker 1>you allocate your resources, right, Yeah, thanks a lot. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm not funny anymore because you're really good

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. All right, that doesn't for this edition

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<v Speaker 1>to Mick Shots, and again the we got the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>Night at the Stadium coming up on Sunday. It starts

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<v Speaker 1>at five o'clock here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com locally

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<v Speaker 1>and Dallas pot Worth on TXA twenty one and on

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<v Speaker 1>TSA twenty one. By the way, on Sunday night after

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys Night, at eight o'clock, they're replaying Super Bowl twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cowboys win over the Denver Broncos, So we have

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<v Speaker 1>that to look forward to this weekend as well. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Everson, Thanks Mick, and we will see you again

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<v Speaker 1>next week here on Mick Shots. This has been a

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