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Listener discretion is advised. 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 3: Previously on wiscrack, you had Jody catching you up digging 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 3: around in the UK. But look, I figured, since I 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: lived through it all, I'd be better to chime in 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: with what really happened that night, right, Jody met my 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: two glorious brothers, Sam who insists but it couldn't be 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: a killer, which is a choice, and Jack, who we 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: kind of forgot to tell about any of it. 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: Oops. Sorry. 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: Then came the trial, where it was silent for most 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: of it until one sharp, unsettling outburst. He was found guilty, rightfully, 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: but here's what still shakes me. While he was serving 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: his sentence, two ultra religious soul mates claimed he was 22 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: possessed and they decided. 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 4: To cleanse him. They killed him. 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: They said it was an exorcism that they were told 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: to do by God. 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 4: Anyway, where did we leave off? A? 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: Jody is off to the happiest place on Earth, not Disneyland, 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 3: stands in Mountfitchet. 29 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: God speed Jody. 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 5: For the first time in ten years, I am podcast free, 31 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 5: which feels horrible. I'm desperately looking for another podcast. 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 6: Really, Oh my God. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: While I was in London, I made some calls to 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: Ed's old friends, the ones who knew him best around 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: the time of the murders. One name I found on 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: the flyer they handed me at Ed's Edinburgh show was 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: the director of his comedy set, Sophie Hagen. 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 5: I actually remember exactly when I met it, because I 39 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 5: was blown away by how funny he was. It was 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 5: at uh pup called the Queen's Head in Camden in London. 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 5: Ed was sitting there all chubby he used to be 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 5: really fat, which he was so funny about it. And 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 5: he was sitting in the corner jumping up and down 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 5: like a little child, saying, guys, guys, can you believe 45 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 5: they're gonna let us do comedy? 46 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Sophie is a force in her own right, a veteran 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: of stand up specials and podcasts, and in fact, the 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: year before Ed premiered his show, Sophie won Best Newcomer 49 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: at the Edinburgh Fringe. I was hoping to get a 50 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: glimpse into Ed's mental state only months after the murders. 51 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: What I got was something else entirely. 52 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: So. 53 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 5: The way I remember it was he called me one 54 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 5: night and told me the story of what had happened, and, 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 5: being this sort of cynical person that I am probably was, 56 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: I was like, Ed, this is a show. 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 6: Would you do this on stage? 58 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 5: And I remember him sounding surprised, being like, really, you 59 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 5: think I should? He then said, well, would you want 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 5: to help out with it? And I was like, ye oh, yeah, definitely, 61 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 5: And I told him that I had a few rules. 62 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 5: I had a few sort of I can only work 63 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 5: on this if you're truthful about it, if you work 64 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 5: hard and you tell the truth, then I'm. 65 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: Absolutely on board. 66 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 5: I would love to help. So it all came crashing 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 5: down around the same time. He tells a story in 68 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 5: the show about how, by accident, his email and number 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 5: was printed on the front page of his local paper. 70 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 5: And I said to him the whole time work on 71 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 5: the show, I'd said, oh, we have to see this, 72 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 5: like this is a like we need to post it 73 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 5: on Instagram or to show it in the show, like 74 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 5: we need to see this because this is so funny. 75 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 5: And he kept saying, yeah, yeah, I will, we have 76 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 5: it at home. And every time I asked, you'd say, 77 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 5: oh yeah, yeah, my brother's sending it or whatever. So 78 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 5: around the time when I started doubting him in general 79 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 5: and realized he told a lot of lies, I pressed 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 5: him on it and I was like, ed, can I 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 5: see that newspaper now, please? And he's got really defensive 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 5: and was like, oh, you don't trust me. And I 83 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 5: was like, ah, that sounds like what liars do when 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 5: they're caught out in a lie. And it actually took 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 5: it took some time, maybe like days, before I thought, 86 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 5: if he's willing to lie about all these other big things, 87 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 5: could he lie about this? And I started googling it 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 5: frantically to find any evidence of this having happened. And 89 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 5: I believe I did find articles about having happened, but 90 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 5: I don't think if I remember correctly, I didn't find 91 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 5: anything that backed up his side. 92 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: Of the story. 93 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 5: I don't remember any mentioning of the neighbor of Brett 94 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 5: trying to break into another house. There was no mention 95 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 5: of Ed anywhere. Then, when I pressed him on at 96 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 5: a tiny bit and said Ed, how much of this 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 5: is true? He again became incredibly angry and like defensive 98 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 5: and started blaming me for all sorts of things. And 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 5: I'm just thinking, Okay, do you know what. I now 100 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 5: don't know how much is true at all about him, 101 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 5: his life, anything, So I doubt that this story is 102 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 5: true and I don't know, And at that point I 103 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 5: didn't care. And then I basically haven't really spoken to him. 104 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 5: I've seen him since, so I think as soon as 105 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 5: I realized that he told not just one, but multiple lies, 106 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 5: I stopped because the person I loved and the person 107 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 5: I had this very close relationship with, I didn't know 108 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 5: how much of that was an actual person and how 109 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 5: much of that was just lies. 110 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: Sophie's claims changed the way I saw everything. In all 111 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: my years of working in true crime, I knew to 112 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: document the cleanest timeline possible, layering eyewitness accounts and police 113 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: reports to build a tight play by play of exactly 114 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: what happened, which I had done thoroughly. The problem was 115 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the subject of my story wasn't at the crime scene. 116 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: He was three doors down asleep. He's never been contacted 117 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: by the police to give a statement, much less sworn 118 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: under oath to anything he witnessed. Had I convinced myself 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: of a story that wasn't true, had I made the 120 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: fatal mistake of trying to fit Ed's comedy into the cold, 121 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: hard facts instead of the other way around. What if 122 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: there was a world in which Brett Rogers committed the 123 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: murders but never came to Ed's house, never banged on 124 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: the door. It would mean Ed was only adjacent to 125 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: the crime, feet from it, but he never once crossed 126 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: Brett's mind that night. And it would also mean that 127 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: Ed has shoehorned himself into a crime that has nothing 128 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: to do with him for the worst possible reason. Fame. 129 00:07:39,560 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm Jonie Tovey and this is Wisecrack, episode four. Brett, 130 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: who as Ed, picks me up outside of my Airbnb. 131 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: The only thing I wanted to do was meet his parents. 132 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: They could quickly corroborate his story and get these thoughts 133 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: out of my head. But Ed was in no hurry 134 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: to get to his house. He decided I needed a 135 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: tour of the village first, so I decided to play 136 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: a cool go with the flow. If there was anything 137 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: to Sophie's claims, they'd soon be a parent, and I 138 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to rattle Ed either. 139 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: Sorry, this is the entrance and it's going to take 140 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: about ten minutes to drive through the entire thing. 141 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 6: Amazing. This looks like a storybook like. These homes right 142 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 6: here are just gorgeous. They all kind of have like 143 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 6: that gingerbread look, and then the Tudor style with the 144 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 6: bricks are very pretty. That is literally a straw roof 145 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 6: that we just passed. 146 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: I had pictured Stansted as a quiet, pastoral town, and 147 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: on the surface it is. But when it's just me 148 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: and Ed, he doesn't hold back to him. Stansted is 149 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: frozen in time, filled with men grinding away at mundane 150 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: jobs and their wives who sneer at the wealth in London. 151 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 6: I haven't seen a person, I'll be honest with you. 152 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: No, we don't have many of them. Do you like pigeons? 153 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 6: They are quite noisy? 154 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 3: This is quite It always reminds me of Private Drive 155 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 3: from Harry Potter. It's just like perfect tractors, doesn't it. 156 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: Stansted might have spent the rest of eternity as a 157 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: sleepy little village, but in the nineteen sixties a local 158 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: military airfield was converted into an international airport serving London. Now, 159 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: on any given day that airport sees approximately eighty thousand passengers. 160 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: Airline crews from India and Africa fill the local pubs 161 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: for a quick pint between flights. But the actual village 162 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: has an older, working class population of just around eight 163 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: thousand people. 164 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 3: So now we're going into Lowest Street. I think there's 165 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: about six businesses down here. Three of them are pubs. 166 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 4: We laugh at them. A village four. 167 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 6: I'm not laughing, I mean I am laughing. I am laughing. 168 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 6: Of the six businesses, three of them are pubs. Oh, 169 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 6: here's a person. 170 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: Well that's Tony. That's a carpenter. What do you saw 171 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 3: it for? 172 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 6: That really is Tony Y. 173 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: So what this kid's doing now? 174 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: I did my entire life just on a bike with 175 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 3: a backpack on riding somewhere and that's all we did 176 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: was welcome. 177 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: As we drive through its narrow streets, watching him retrace 178 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: old paths and point out forgotten landmarks. I send something 179 00:10:54,920 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: buried beneath the cynicism, something more than just a dark nostalgia. 180 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 4: That's a tennis club. 181 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 3: I'm not allowed back in there anymore because me or 182 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: friends accidentally nearly set on fire. 183 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 6: We'll come back to that, we will. 184 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on edge too, taking easy jabs, checking the time, 185 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: scanning his surroundings, but with absolutely no chance of running 186 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: into Brett. I can't figure out what has him so anxious. 187 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: I even wonder if he knows I've talked to Sophie 188 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: and you. 189 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: See that place called the Mayflower. 190 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 3: Huh that is the least authentic Chinese er ever going 191 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: to do. The guy that owns his name is Kevin. 192 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: Get the fuck out, and you've just left anced we just. 193 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, so we're out. I'm not kidding. So that 194 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 6: was maybe a two minute drive that we just drove 195 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 6: through the entire town. Yeah, maybe two minutes. 196 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: It's why I was so keen to leave, because that 197 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 3: two minute drive is a five minute walk, and you 198 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: know everyone like I know everything. 199 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: And then it hits me. Ed's feeling vulnerable, exposed. We're 200 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: about to relive the worst night of his life, but 201 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: this time we aren't using Ed's script, and all the 202 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: characters in Ed's world can speak for themselves. 203 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 6: So your house is that way. 204 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: We turn off Cambridge Street and into a labyrinth of 205 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: dark brick townhouses attached together in twos and threes. From 206 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: sheer muscle memory, Ed weaves us through the maze and 207 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: up to a small cluster of homes before I meet 208 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: Ed's parents. There's one house he wants me to see first. 209 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 6: All right, so we're walking right outside of Frett's house. 210 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the bedroom window. 211 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you are right next door to I mean, 212 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: not adjacent, perfectly adjacent, but what like the Rogers home, 213 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: a modest two story townhouse, the kind you'd pass without 214 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: a second glance, And just a few feet away sits 215 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: the Hedge's house. Standing in the home shadow where so 216 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: much blood was shed, I could sense a lingering chill 217 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: in the air. His voice deepens into a whisper. 218 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: Thirty seconds a second walk, that's the distance between us. 219 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: Ty. 220 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: This bench that we're standing next to right now was 221 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: actually closer to your house, closer to. 222 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: My house, and also under a street light. 223 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 6: And that's where they found Brett. 224 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but just over our shoulders is a completely different vibe. 225 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 1: We walked just a few steps into a blooming garden, 226 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: through a weather doorstep and into Ed's childhood home. 227 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 6: Number forty. 228 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 4: We go, Hello, Mom, this is Jodie. Come say hello. 229 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 6: Hi, very nice to meet How you can I give 230 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 6: you a book? 231 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 7: How's it going? Yes? Could you meet you? Hello? Yes? 232 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: We're greeted by Ed's mother, Carol, light brown hair, glasses 233 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: and a warmth that hits instantly. She's the picture of 234 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: a British mom in every sense. 235 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 5: I know you. 236 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 6: They you've been eliminated completely. 237 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: I just want to point out it's. 238 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 4: Cool because there are photos of Salm and Jack around here. 239 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 7: And then yeah, I took him down. 240 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: As I'm shown around, I notice Ed and his mom 241 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: speaking glances and smirks, like whole conversations pass without a 242 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: word habit. I imagine shaped in a house where his 243 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: father's temper could erupt without warning. And truthfully, he was 244 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: the one I was mo nervous to meet John the 245 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: here's the chair. 246 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: This is father, father John. This is Jody. 247 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 7: Hi, nice to meet you. 248 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: At seventy years old, John is a hulking man with 249 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: broad shoulders and eight fingers just as legend would have it. However, 250 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: Ed tells me his father is not the gruff man 251 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: portrayed in his set anymore. Age and grandchildren will do 252 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: that to a person. 253 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 6: I do love the kitchen. 254 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: We all sit Ed, John, Carol and me, and after 255 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: a few lighthearted stories about Ed's childhood mischief, I cut 256 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: to the chase. I ask about that night. 257 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 7: I came home at hop our six and I'm usually 258 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 7: the first one hand, and it had been rough day 259 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 7: at work and night was hot, and I just thought 260 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 7: I can't pipoffered, and then when he came in, just 261 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 7: as he got through the door said do you fancy 262 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 7: fish and chips tonight? I don't feel like cooking? And 263 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 7: you went over. 264 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: John often goes over to pick up dinner from one 265 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: of their favorite restaurants, Churchill's, a three minute walk from 266 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: their house. 267 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 7: And when you came back, he said, oh, I just 268 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 7: saw Jill over there, and she was really weird. 269 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: As a reminder, Jill or Jillian is Bred's mother. 270 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 7: She came in but she didn't order anything. You said, agitated, yeah, 271 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 7: and then she left. And then when you come back 272 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 7: here to me, you said that you passed Brett and 273 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 7: Brett looked weird, right, But you said she But you 274 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 7: did say she was drunk, didn't you. 275 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, she'd had some drink. Yeah, she was definitely 276 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 8: under the influence. 277 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 7: And that's why he said it, because it was sort 278 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 7: of like tea time, and. 279 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: Then you guys came back, had your dinner, and then 280 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: what happened after dinner. 281 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 7: It was just like a normal night. We watched TV, 282 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 7: and we went up to bed, let himself in because 283 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 7: we were in bed, and then the dogs all started barking. 284 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 7: I looked out the window and there was a policeman. 285 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: A policeman. This is the first I've heard of the 286 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: police in the front garden, long before any knocking. Which 287 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: window were you looking out of? 288 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 7: Was my bedroom window directly above him? Well, at that 289 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 7: point I went that way, so I have to have 290 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 7: the window open. 291 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 4: Wasn't in the front garden at that point. 292 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 7: Well, there was someone in the somebody in the in 293 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 7: the front garden running about. 294 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: Because theater banged on the door, went into the garden 295 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: and tried to get that way. 296 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 4: I don't think that was a policement. 297 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 8: I took over for the front because I did get up, 298 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 8: but I slept through most of it because I went 299 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 8: back to sleep straight away and I got out here 300 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 8: and was looking out. 301 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, but that was because you thought someone was trying 302 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 7: to wait. 303 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 8: I thought someone was trying to occur. And also the 304 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 8: side gate here, when that opens and swings back and 305 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 8: hits the house, you're going to go bunk because it's 306 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 8: right there sort of brick. And heard that, and I thought, 307 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 8: what's happening? 308 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: So you heard the gate slam over here? And then 309 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: where did that person go? 310 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 8: I didn't see anyone. 311 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 4: Oh I did. 312 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 8: I have heard the gate gone, but already had the 313 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 8: banging at the door. They said there was a police, 314 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 8: he's a helicopter up there, there's policemen on the green 315 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 8: and whatnot. I said, well, don't worry then, because we're 316 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 8: surrounded by the police. 317 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 4: So we're perfectly. 318 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: Say rewind to the banging. So we watched TV. We 319 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: go to bed, and then when did the banging happen? 320 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: Is there a rough time or who woke up first? 321 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 7: I don't know what the time was because I didn't 322 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 7: look at the clock. I woke up first, and then 323 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 7: I came in to you, didn't I. 324 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: So what we've just said and what we're saying, now 325 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 3: are two different things completely. Well, you just said you 326 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: woke up, looked out the window, and back to bed, 327 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: and now you. 328 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 7: Do no, no, no. I went back to you in 329 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 7: the bedroom. 330 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: So as I remember it. Yeah, the banging happened, you 331 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: heard it outside your window. Yeah, it was on the 332 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 3: front garden and someone who you think was a police officer. 333 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: But that story don't check out at all. 334 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 7: Well, I don't know who it was. 335 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: It's subtle, but I noticed that Ed is leading his mom, 336 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: correcting her. 337 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 3: Whoever it was was trying to get an off front door, 338 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: went into our garden, knew the back gate, ran to 339 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 3: our garden and tried to get the back door. 340 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like police. Doesn't sound like a police 341 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 4: officer to me. He didn't do that. 342 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: And the banging, you think a police officer is going 343 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: to knock bang at that door that hot You don't 344 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: think police have got the manet the thing that can 345 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: get a back door open. 346 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 7: But we haven't done anything wrong. 347 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 8: That Bret might have tried to run. 348 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: You're not on the stand. 349 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 7: I just want you to know that you're not in trouble. 350 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: Carol is flustered. Now her recollection is being versively challenged. 351 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: I remind her this isn't an interrogation. I'm just trying 352 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: to understand. Wanting a clearer picture, I switched tactics, ED, 353 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: why don't you tell the story? 354 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 6: And then John and Carol jump in. 355 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 4: When you remember, we'll pull it to paces. 356 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, challenge. 357 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 4: Me and whatever you need to. 358 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, you get in from the gig. 359 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 3: I get in from the gig. I walk upstairs. This 360 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: is about eleven eleven thirty. I planned to come home 361 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 3: at about eight nine that night, so the front door 362 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 3: was left unlocked when they went to bed because they 363 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: were expecting me shortly afterwards. I walk upstairs and go 364 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: into my bed to go to sleep. While I was asleep, 365 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: from what I understand, there was noise in the front garden. 366 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: Someone was outside that were banging on the door. Then 367 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: you come to my room and that's when I wake up. 368 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 3: You're at the end of my bed. Well, I was 369 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: going to that wall and you're looking out the window, 370 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 3: and he said, whatever you do, don't tell the lights. 371 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: That line is quite possibly the most memorable, most chilling 372 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: line straight from ed set and the way they said 373 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: it in Unison Eyes locked. It's eerie. Is it possible 374 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: she's quoting ed Set just to stick to his contrived story, 375 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: or is this a shared moment of clarity in a 376 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: night of chaos, the one petrifying moment that seared in 377 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: both of their minds. 378 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 3: So I got out of bed, I got looking for Dad. 379 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: Dad was awake at this point, standing at the window, 380 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: and the banging was still happening at that point. 381 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 7: Yeah. I was looking at the wind drive for the grain. 382 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 383 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 7: Yeah. 384 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: So I started to go downstairs, and both of you 385 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: basically say don't do that. 386 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: At some stage because. 387 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: I remember being on the landing with you panicking. Yeah, 388 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 3: pre helicopters, post banging. That's when the gate hit. 389 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 8: The wall, right yeah, And then I heard they hear 390 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 8: the wall. 391 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: So we went downside gate. We didn't have the decking 392 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: at the time, into the garden. 393 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 7: It was different. 394 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,239 Speaker 3: They let me fresh memory a little bit, although you 395 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 3: so look different. He still have a gold handle. Yes, 396 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 3: he pulled the handle web being up. The handle was 397 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: pulled down. Obviously whoever was outside couldn't get in. And 398 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: then they left. 399 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 4: Could it be the end of us? 400 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: Could have been the end of us. John finally lets 401 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: down his guard long enough to let me know his 402 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: real feelings. He too, thinks Brett was attempting to break 403 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 1: into his house, possibly to hurt his family, Just as 404 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: Ed contends in his set, his father, who was loath 405 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: to show weakness, was indeed scared that night. But I 406 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: still can't quite get a read on Carol. Is she 407 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: just having trouble putting words to an indescribable night eight 408 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: years ago? Or is she withholding something from me? 409 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: I mentioned I was a little b chubby you as 410 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 3: a kid. My mom and my whole family were all 411 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: a little bit chubby. She joined a weight loss club 412 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 3: and they all started taking these silly little weight loss 413 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 3: pills and they lost loads of weight. 414 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: They lost heaps of weight. 415 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: But she was taking these weightless pills, and then she 416 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 3: can't get the weightless pills anymore. So she started looking 417 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 3: and she met someone online. She made a friend on 418 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 3: Farmville who knew somewhere that could get these weight loss pills, 419 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: and she started getting them delivered to the house. A 420 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 3: package turned up at the door. My mom wasn't home. 421 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: My brother answered the door. He looked at the package 422 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: and it was covered in mandarin, and he was like, 423 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: that's weird. And so he took it inside and he 424 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: went onto the family computer. He translated it. So he 425 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: got really angry and Jack went, what have. 426 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: You been taking? 427 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: She was like, weightless pills? He went, where did you 428 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 3: get him from? She went and met a man called 429 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: Lee on Farmville. He sends them to me, and Jack said, 430 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: what does Lee look like? My mom said, well, he's 431 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 3: of Asian descent. He's got a lot of tattoos. And 432 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: Jack went out of interest. Is he missing any fingers? 433 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: And she was like, yeah, he's missing a finger because 434 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: my dad's missing a finger. She was like, he is 435 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 3: missing he's missing a bit of his pinky finger. If 436 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: you know anything about the Triad gang, that's an initiation 437 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: to them. My brother googled the ingredients and my mother 438 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: had been taking crystal meth for six months that she 439 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: was buying off the Triads on Farmville. 440 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 4: That's not one of the lies. 441 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: That shit happened. 442 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: She did that. And do you know what makes it 443 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: worse is Jack was like, how long have you been 444 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: taking these pills? Does anyone else take him? My mom 445 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I sell them to the village. I 446 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: thought that was as bad as it could get. It's 447 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: not my mom was like, oh god, oh no, I'm 448 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 3: gonna have to stop, aren't I? And Jack was like, yeah, 449 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 3: you can't keep taking them, and she went, no. 450 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 4: Not stop that. Not worried about stopping that. Obviously, I 451 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 4: can't keep taking them. 452 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to stop selling them to the girls 453 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: in the village. My mother was a meth dealer in 454 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,959 Speaker 3: East Anglia, in London. Just pushing myths, all these up 455 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: to be fair, our house has never. 456 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 4: Been clean us. 457 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: On stage, Ed portrays his mother as wonderfully daffy, even gullible. 458 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: It adds such charmed ed set. But after my sit 459 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: down with the family, I was starting to get nervous. 460 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: Why does Carol seem so shaken by my questions? So 461 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: I decided to pull Carol aside away from Ed and 462 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: John to see if I could get a straight answer 463 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: out of her. I asked her to climb the narrow 464 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: stairs to the hedge's second floor from inside Ed's small bedroom, 465 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: where she woke her son and warned him not to 466 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: turn on the lights. It all came rushing back. 467 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 7: It wasn't knocking, it was banging. It was banging, and 468 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 7: then I thought, well, what is that? But I jumped up. 469 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 7: I didn't wait John up because he gets up so early. 470 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 7: I thought that, but it was also the dogs were 471 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 7: going absolutely And then I started panicking because you could 472 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 7: hear someone out there in the back garden. There's something 473 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 7: going on out there, and I don't know what it is. 474 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 7: I was petrified. I thought we'd getting broken into. By 475 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 7: that time, there was helicopters and everything going out there. 476 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 7: There was a lot of place running up the alleyway, 477 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 7: and that bit there was like the apocalypse. 478 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: Carol and I joined the boys back downstairs, and I 479 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: think even Ed could see the relief on my face. 480 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: I try to imagine being in ed shoes, sitting across 481 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: from my own parents, asking them to recall a frenzied 482 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: night from eight years ago, the uncertainty, the gaps in memory. 483 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: It would probably sound a lot like this. But here's 484 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: the thing. What they're saying does line up with Ed's 485 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: version of events, maybe not in perfect order or sequence. 486 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: But they remember someone in the front garden and the 487 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: gate slamming against the back brick wall. They remember someone 488 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: circling the house and trying to get into the upside 489 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: down lock. They remember the helicopters and the officers on 490 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: the green behind the house, and most importantly, they remember 491 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: the banging at the front door. Then I learned something 492 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: that both shocked me and completely wiped away all my 493 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: suspicions of Ed's parents. 494 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 7: Ed is very secretive about his gigs, right, even this 495 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 7: what he's stood now today? Oh yeah, we know nothing. 496 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: Despite all of his success, Ed's parents have never been 497 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: to one of his comedy sets. They didn't even know 498 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 1: Ed talks about Brett Rodgers on stage because they've never 499 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: seen him perform. They're not trying to match up with 500 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: any script of Eds. They're just telling the truth as 501 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: they remember it. 502 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 7: We know, we know he said, Oh, they're just coming 503 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 7: to talk to you. That's it, just that me. That's it. 504 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 7: Now that it's going through, we thought he was talking 505 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 7: about you, but it's sort of talk everything. Yeah, yeah, 506 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 7: so he even this. We know we had never seen 507 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 7: Edward perform. 508 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: No wonder. Carol seemed a little rattled by my questions. 509 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: Ed had prepared her to meet me, but he hadn't 510 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: told either of his parents. I'd be asking about Brett Rodgers. 511 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: As Ed drove me back to my airbnb, I could 512 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: tell he was just as exhausted as I was spending 513 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: the day with your parents can do that to you. 514 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 4: Yep. Also my virginity in that forest. 515 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 6: Just so and again there's no cameras, no. 516 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 4: More magical place loves virginity than a forest trolls live. 517 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: But Ed had one more setting from his comedy show 518 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: that he wants to show me. 519 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 4: This is the Carey Club. This is where I spent 520 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 4: pretty much every day of my childhood. I was mad 521 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 4: about it. 522 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 6: It's a lot smaller than I was picturing. So what age? 523 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 6: Were you hanging out here? 524 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 4: As early as thirteen twelve thirteen. 525 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 6: And so you would just walk from your house, walk. 526 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: From my house up to hear meet a load of people. 527 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: It was the coolest place in the world because you'd 528 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: have this like congregation of like men of loads of 529 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: different ages, and you would be drinking. 530 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 6: Remind me what the legal age is minimum for drinking here? 531 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 4: Legal? Yeah, eighteen, technical at fourteen. 532 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 6: And so you were here drinking as early as. 533 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 4: Fourteen twelve thirteen, fourteen twelve around that Wow, not like heavily. 534 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: Ed tells me he and Brett would spend most afternoons 535 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: about one hundred yards from each other, just playing different sports. 536 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: The cricket field literally overlaps the football field. 537 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 4: This is where I want the ball to go. Okay, yeah, okay, so. 538 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 6: I should throw the ball. 539 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: Though he hadn't pitched in over a decade, he was 540 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: eager to teach me how for the comic relief. No doubt, 541 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: there is a. 542 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 4: Hop skip jump thing. 543 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: So you start off, you go like one, two, three, 544 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: and then. 545 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 4: As you trusted. 546 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: Cack like do I do this? And then well all right? 547 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Ed is the only Hedges who plays cricket. No legacy, 548 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: no tradition. As a kid, he just needed something that 549 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: was his own. 550 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: I was like a pitch, you want to bring your 551 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 4: own round. 552 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: So Hey, after many failed attempts, we grab a pint 553 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: at the clubhouse, a small wooden shed packed with team 554 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: photos stretching across the century. I scan the walls until 555 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: I spot Ed young, determined part of something bigger. He was, 556 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: in fact a great cricket player, one that found a 557 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: community through his talent. He wasn't a chubby loaner who 558 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: has given a sportsman award out of pity. I thought 559 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: back to Sophie's issues with Ed. She's right, there are 560 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: things he has skewed in his set, seemingly more than 561 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: just the three lives he warns his audiences about. I've 562 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: been clocking the disparities in Ed's story, and I'm starting 563 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: to get concerned that he's never bothered to disclose these 564 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: half truths to me before I get it. Comedians don't 565 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: swear on a Bible before grabbing the mic, but I 566 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: felt like Ed owed me the full truth before I 567 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: got on a plane to the UK. It was a 568 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: confrontation between Ed and I that was brewing in the background, 569 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: and neither of us wanted to have it. But that 570 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: would have to wait for now. There was one person 571 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: I needed to speak to first. He'd moved away from 572 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: Stansteed all but disappeared from his old social circles. In fact, 573 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: he hadn't spoken to anyone in the media since the 574 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: year of the murders. If anyone had insight into the 575 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: inner workings of Brett's mind and could tell me why 576 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: he showed up on Ed's doorstep, it would be him, 577 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: And if he answered the door, I'd be face to 578 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: face with the man who raised a killer. Next time 579 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: on wisecrack, I mean, she says that you made a 580 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff up what's true and what's not. 581 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 6: So you're saying this isn't safe. 582 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: I personally would not go there, or please bring someone 583 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: with you. 584 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 6: Oh gosh, now I'm nervous. Can you please be careful? 585 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: Wisecrack is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts 586 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: in association with Star White Productions. I'm your host Jody Tovey. 587 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: The show is written by Charles Forbes. Stand up comedy 588 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: written and performed by Ed Hedges, with additional writing contributions 589 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: by Charles Forbes. Executive producers for Tenderfoot TV are Donald 590 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: Albright and Payne Lindsay. Executive producers for Star White Productions 591 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: are Jody Tovey and Charles Forbes. 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