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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. On this episode,
Speaker 2: our friend Ryan Gradowsky returns. He is the founder of
Speaker 2: the seventeen to seventy six Project Pack, and he'll tell
Speaker 2: us a bit about what they've been up to. Also,
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Speaker 2: on substack. We're going to talk about Trump, DeSantis, Biden
Speaker 2: versus whoever early states, the twenty twenty four process, how
Speaker 2: it's all shaken out, how it's looking in some school
Speaker 2: board stuff. So deep dive in into politics here, Ryan,
Speaker 2: let's start with this one. Well, we'll do this in
Speaker 2: what will be effectively chronological order. How's the Trump DeSantis
Speaker 2: reality playing out right now?
Speaker 1: Right now? Is Trump is obviously way ahead. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's probably ahead in every single state he's game. Trump
Speaker 1: had massive losses after the primary after the general election
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two because most of his candidates lost.
Speaker 1: He backed a lot of losers, and I think with
Speaker 1: the exception of like one one candidate in every state
Speaker 1: he lost in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty, rather all
Speaker 1: of his candidates lost. I think just the lieutenant governor
Speaker 1: of George was the only one who won. So people
Speaker 1: were frowning on him because he couldn't win elections. And
Speaker 1: then you know, time kind of heals all wounds and
Speaker 1: people forgot. And he also had that arrest, which was
Speaker 1: that dyne sentence, and there was a rally on the
Speaker 1: King effect, and I think that that is definitely benefiting him,
Speaker 1: and he's really the only one actually running. Trump has
Speaker 1: an effective team actually working to Sanders done up. He
Speaker 1: just doesn't have a real campaign operation.
Speaker 2: What do you say? What do you say to people
Speaker 2: Ryan who at this point say, well, hold on a second.
Speaker 2: DeSantis isn't really a candidate yet, so it's not fair
Speaker 2: to assess how he's doing as a candidate.
Speaker 1: That is true. You can have an operation when you
Speaker 1: are not a candidate too, as a precursor. So you
Speaker 1: could have a surrogacy program, right would he'd have people,
Speaker 1: high profile people on television every day defending him, promoting him,
Speaker 1: attacking Trump as a precursor that doesn't exist. You could
Speaker 1: have early endorsements as far as the ground game lined
Speaker 1: up in an important first few states. That isn't happening.
Speaker 1: In fact, Leezelden, who was supposed to allegedly be one
Speaker 1: of the key people in his New York campaign. New
Speaker 1: York is I think the fifth or sixth state to
Speaker 1: vote in this primary cycle at the time because they switch.
Speaker 1: He just endorsed Trump. He doesn't have an effective operation
Speaker 1: in the slightest. He's doing these book tour events and
Speaker 1: he's going to Japan, and it is extraordinarily tone deaf
Speaker 1: for the moment. And he really hasn't had a big
Speaker 1: news story since the six week abortion Man, which is
Speaker 1: hugely unpopular. So the last big news story is the
Speaker 1: abortion man, wildly unpopular. Its has unpopular to defund the police,
Speaker 1: and he has no ceregacy program to defend him on
Speaker 1: television and radio every day, and he has no operation
Speaker 1: to start building out early early state organization. He literally
Speaker 1: just lost with of his key people to Trump. So
Speaker 1: that is not that is clearly not evan that he's
Speaker 1: actually running a real operation in any sense of the word.
Speaker 1: And Trump is. And Trump has Susie Wiles, who as
Speaker 1: this political campaign person who is one of the best
Speaker 1: in the business. Susie is brilliant, and she it's not
Speaker 1: private public information. She hates rond de Santas, and she
Speaker 1: is you know.
Speaker 2: Why does she hate Why does she hate Ronda Santis?
Speaker 2: Because you're an insight her with this stuff. A lot
Speaker 2: of people won't know that. Why is there beef there?
Speaker 1: Ron got her fired for allegedly leaking materials and she
Speaker 1: she says she never really did. So that's the entire fight.
Speaker 1: The fight is over the fact that she got fired
Speaker 1: in a campaign, I think the twenty twenty presidential campaign.
Speaker 1: She got fired from out of deference to Dissantas, who
Speaker 1: said she was a leaker because he does hate leaking
Speaker 1: Disanta's and he's very good at not having people leak
Speaker 1: in his operation. And she says that she never did it.
Speaker 1: And that's literally in the feud.
Speaker 2: Wow, So there's like a blood feud in the midst
Speaker 2: of all this politics as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why you noticed that Trump is going
Speaker 1: harder on Desanta's. It's not just because he's a primary opponent.
Speaker 1: It's because, like the hate from that campaign is real.
Speaker 1: I would estimate there are people within that camp who
Speaker 1: want to be desantisma than they want to be fired.
Speaker 2: Wow, what could DeSantis do at this point in your mind?
Speaker 2: What has to happen for him to try to make
Speaker 2: up some of the ground that has been lost to
Speaker 2: Trump in the last few months.
Speaker 1: One he needs a national message, Uh, Florida Freedom lives
Speaker 1: in Florida is not a national message. It's not You're
Speaker 1: not going to plant palm trees in Michigan. Like, there's
Speaker 1: no actual I read his book too, there's no national
Speaker 1: message of what he wants to do as a leader. Like,
Speaker 1: you can't make every state Florida. It's just not actually possible.
Speaker 1: So what are you going to do for the industrial Midwest?
Speaker 1: What are you going to do for the Southwest? What
Speaker 1: are you going to do in in places like New
Speaker 1: Hampshire and main second congressional which are still swing areas.
Speaker 1: What are you going to do in in in places
Speaker 1: that are key swing congressional districts that need Republican support,
Speaker 1: like in you know, in Oregon's fourth and fifth district,
Speaker 1: or in you know, the eastern part of what you know,
Speaker 1: Washington State where you need Republicans to turn out for
Speaker 1: their House candidates. What are you do for any of
Speaker 1: those people. There's no national message. Florida lives free is
Speaker 1: not a freedom was in Florida is not a national message.
Speaker 1: What goes to die is not a national message. I
Speaker 1: want something that sits there and says, if I close
Speaker 1: my eyes, I can envision like a country that Ron
Speaker 1: de Santa's leads. That's not there. He needs a surrogacy
Speaker 1: program to attack Trump every single solitary day on media.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do it, but he has to
Speaker 1: have people who do it. Nikki Haley is not doing it.
Speaker 1: She only attacking him, and Alsill Hutchinson Nowe's gonna care
Speaker 1: about and vivec doesn't do it either. And you need
Speaker 1: and you need endorsements to start coming, and you need
Speaker 1: a national rally about you and say why you can't.
Speaker 1: It's so bad right now for the Desanta's team that
Speaker 1: in the morn Console poll, Republicans view Trump is more
Speaker 1: electable than Desanta's, which is ampatomically and like any sense
Speaker 1: of the word. But he's lost even messaging on that.
Speaker 1: Trump is the greatest person when it comes to branding
Speaker 1: in the history of the world, him and Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 1: It's really true and he has branded himself on certain
Speaker 1: things as being an outsider when he's an insider, as
Speaker 1: being a winner when he's a loser, like with elections,
Speaker 1: being somebody who's accomplished things that he never accomplished, never
Speaker 1: built a wall, like he says these things to these supporters,
Speaker 1: and he's branded himself to these things for Republican voters,
Speaker 1: and they believe it. They don't believe because it's true.
Speaker 1: They believe because they trust the brand the same way
Speaker 1: that people believe that smoking was good for you for
Speaker 1: fifty sixty years, so the brand was solid. De Santas
Speaker 1: doesn't have a real brand. He's only been like, you know,
Speaker 1: real national government for four years and the people have
Speaker 1: paid attention to it any way, and he, I mean,
Speaker 1: the brand of freedom is not enough of a brand.
Speaker 2: Tell me this, is there any poling, Is there any data,
Speaker 2: any numbers that can give us some sense as to
Speaker 2: whether DeSantis because you said, Trump has branded himself as
Speaker 2: a winner. And it's interesting because even bringing up the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty election, among certain people in the Republican base,
Speaker 2: it's really difficult to have a conference. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: what can be done to have a different outcome? Than
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and I'll get people who will say, well,
Speaker 2: we don't need a different outcome in twenty twenty because
Speaker 2: you want to which.
Speaker 1: I say, try himself. Trump himself privately has said he's lost,
Speaker 1: like but he's branded himself as a winner.
Speaker 2: But you see what I mean, Like, how do you
Speaker 2: even how are you going to address campaign strategy with
Speaker 2: that portion of the GOP base that's going to say, no,
Speaker 2: the strategy was great last time. We just need the
Speaker 2: same strategy this time. Let me put this a better way.
Speaker 2: If DeSantis and his surrogates, once De Santis gets in
Speaker 2: this race, which we're all expecting to happen, if they attract,
Speaker 2: if they attack Trump for being a loser in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: is that going to poison the base against him or
Speaker 2: is that an effective tactic.
Speaker 1: DeSantis himself does not have to sit there and say
Speaker 1: that although a debate post is going to ask him
Speaker 1: that question point blank, like you will ask, like a
Speaker 1: debate host will ask every question. De Santa's could sit
Speaker 1: there and say that outside people affecting the election, like
Speaker 1: social media and blocking one hundred and Biden, that is all.
Speaker 2: True, by the way, that's all real yeah, of course
Speaker 2: it was fixed.
Speaker 1: It wasn't exactly Stone. There's a difference. There was definitely
Speaker 1: people putting their thumbs on the scale against Trump. Guess what,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Republican verus Democrat politics that will always exist,
Speaker 1: That exists under George W. Bush as well. There was
Speaker 1: huge efforts against Bush in two thousand and four, when
Speaker 1: during his reelection, huge efforts against McCain and against Romney,
Speaker 1: and you against Donald Trump in twenty sixteen. The difference
Speaker 1: between winning and losing is is huge. And this is
Speaker 1: like the main difference I wrote with this is my
Speaker 1: substock of the National Office substock. When he ran against Hillary.
Speaker 1: You had two hugely unlikable characters, Hillary Clinton and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump incredibly unlikable. The difference was that Trump won the
Speaker 1: vote of the people who don't like either of them
Speaker 1: by twenty points. So if you didn't like Hillary or Trump,
Speaker 1: you were more likely to vote for Trump then for Hillary. Now,
Speaker 1: and this is this is the Wall Street Trunal poll
Speaker 1: that was done by Tony Fabrizio, who is Trump's pollster.
Speaker 1: This is Trump's poll and Tony is a fabulous pollster.
Speaker 1: He's and Tony, by the way, has said over and
Speaker 1: over the electionalism' Stonlee. But that's besides the point Tony said.
Speaker 1: Among people who don't like Biden to Biden and don't
Speaker 1: like Trump, that same population, which is close to the
Speaker 1: majority of the country, in both cases, they support Biden
Speaker 1: over Trump by a manager of fifty one to fifteen.
Speaker 1: So he is losing that same group of people that
Speaker 1: he won eight years ago by twenty points. He's losing
Speaker 1: them by almost forty points this time. So there's no Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I want to return to this.
Speaker 2: I just want to take a moment for our sponsor
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Speaker 2: does Trump stand? Which is a continuation what you're going
Speaker 2: to say, and I'm sorry to cut you off it
Speaker 2: in mean too, but where does Trump stand visa VI Biden?
Speaker 2: Based on the numbers right now? What does that tell
Speaker 2: us about where it's going in twenty twenty four? And then,
Speaker 2: because I have a feeling what you say maybe a
Speaker 2: little depressing, what could Trump do as the nominee to
Speaker 2: get the numbers he needs to win? So I want
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's start with this is going to
Speaker 2: be kind of a good, the good, the bat and
Speaker 2: the ugly. Here, we're starting with the bat and the ugly. Though.
Speaker 2: I think kind of things look right now based on
Speaker 2: the trend. Let's just put it based on what you
Speaker 2: said about DeSantis. Let's just assume now Trump's nominee, right
Speaker 2: rest of this conversation, Let's assume Trump's nominee. So how
Speaker 2: does it look for Trump going into twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: against just against Biden?
Speaker 1: So right now, everything suggests he would lose every single
Speaker 1: state he lost in twenty twenty plus North Carolina and
Speaker 1: Texas would be extremely close. He would come very close
Speaker 1: to losing Texas within a point or two.
Speaker 2: Well, that's terrifying. Losing Texas is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how bad. That's how disliked. Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: a favorability rating among voters about thirty five percent right now.
Speaker 1: He is one of the most toxic individuals on a
Speaker 1: national stage. Only the only persons more talks than him
Speaker 1: is Mike pens and Kamala Harris. So it's very bad.
Speaker 2: That's not that's not encouraging. What was really bad? What
Speaker 2: would no I've gotten me. It's really bad. Part of
Speaker 2: this for sure? What just from a demographics perspective, so
Speaker 2: everyone knows this, what was lacking in twenty twenty, right,
Speaker 2: put aside all the other noise and the and the
Speaker 2: the zucker Bucks and the ballot harvest, all that stuff, right,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, Right, what numbers weren't there that needed
Speaker 2: to be there to win the key states who either
Speaker 2: didn't show up or showed up for the other side
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty when Trump was trying to win re election.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that I think that Trump's
Speaker 1: campaign team, and Trump has said something to this effect.
Speaker 1: I think this campaign team made a very frequent mistake
Speaker 1: of underestimating Hammy who were going to turn it on
Speaker 1: the electric. I think that he thought it was much
Speaker 1: lower than it was, which happens. Why do a lot
Speaker 1: of campaigns from city council homewards? Just more people shout
Speaker 1: up there, more engaged. But I think when you look
Speaker 1: at the overall numbers of there, Trump is like just
Speaker 1: bleeding support. It's among white suburbanites. It is so bad,
Speaker 1: it is so heavy and so bad that I don't
Speaker 1: think that there's really much of there's. Okay, So if
Speaker 1: you look the electric right, the elector's gonna be about
Speaker 1: sixty three, sixty four percent Caucasian, maybe sixty five percent,
Speaker 1: let's say sixty five per percent Caucasian. Trump will win
Speaker 1: probably someone around fifty seven percent of that support, d
Speaker 1: six percent of that support. So you start his number
Speaker 1: at about thirty thirty six let's just say thirty six
Speaker 1: percent support, Okay, Then the elector is also twelve percent
Speaker 1: thirteen percent Black. Trump's going get one percent of that
Speaker 1: if he's lucky. So now he goes from thirty four
Speaker 1: to thirty five percent, the elector will be able to
Speaker 1: fifteen percent Hispanic and among those if Trump does amazing,
Speaker 1: if he was the number our pass, he does what
Speaker 1: he did last time, let's say he gets thirty nine percent,
Speaker 1: so it's three and a half four percent more, you're
Speaker 1: at forty two forty three, and then there's a bump
Speaker 1: from Asian, Native Americans, whatever, and you're forty three forty
Speaker 1: four percent. What Trump managed to do in his first
Speaker 1: election was one he got forty seven percent of the
Speaker 1: vote by increasing the vote of non college educated whites,
Speaker 1: because he kept enough college educated white who said I
Speaker 1: hate Hillary Clinton, I hate her too much and black
Speaker 1: voters who didn't vote. That dynamic does not work against
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Joe Biden, if you saw his first ad,
Speaker 1: it was two major things, Democracy, thirty major things Democracy, abortion,
Speaker 1: black votes. Because he has to keep the black vote high.
Speaker 1: He has to sit there and engage the people who
Speaker 1: hate January sixth and think about it every single solitary
Speaker 1: day and say Trump's a fundamental threat of democracy and
Speaker 1: sits there and brings up and brings up.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you my concern and this is in
Speaker 2: the and again I feel obligated here to continue to
Speaker 2: try to just learn as much as possible and have
Speaker 2: the most honest conversations possible about this, because it felt
Speaker 2: like going into twenty twenty two. It was crime is bad,
Speaker 2: economy is bad. We're going to kick their asses. Everything's
Speaker 2: going to be awesome, and then whoops, not so much.
Speaker 2: And while for me and a lot of other people,
Speaker 2: Liz Cheney and the other Democrats, I know, she's a Republican,
Speaker 2: but she's a Democrat now basically doing this January sixth,
Speaker 2: you know, theatrical experience, like it was like the musical
Speaker 2: Cats or you know, guys and Dolls or something, right,
Speaker 2: but it was, you know, January sixth. I looked at
Speaker 2: this and I thought this is preposterous. But when it
Speaker 2: came to voting, it seemed that there were a lot
Speaker 2: of independence and particularly college educated white voters for whom
Speaker 2: that stuff resonated. They're like that January sixth stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I feel I got yelled at on the Patrick that
Speaker 2: David podcast recently because I was like, look like Trump's
Speaker 2: in a tougher position now than he was running in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty in a lot of ways. I don't think
Speaker 2: he was blamed from the pandemic. I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I think that's an easy excuse. I mean, sure it
Speaker 2: made people depressed, but what do you think about, like
Speaker 2: what happened with regard to the way that it went
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, and how we can look at
Speaker 2: the independent vote through that prism.
Speaker 1: Well, remember in twenty sixteen, of our base of twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen voters, several million are dead just because they've aged out,
Speaker 1: and the demographic change in our country. Generation Zi Dian
Speaker 1: not was not a big voter block even in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty as it is now, and they're far left as
Speaker 1: the most progressive generation ever. Where you're going to make
Speaker 1: even though jen X, by the way, is becoming more
Speaker 1: Republican and millennials are moving more Republican, despite a stupid
Speaker 1: Financial Times article said, which is not true. Even though
Speaker 1: millennials and Gen X are moving more Republican, it doesn't
Speaker 1: account for the added votes and the dying of the
Speaker 1: greatest generation. In that silent generation them dying, we're losing
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of voters. If you look at
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Republicans are dominating on quality of life issues, education, crime,
Speaker 1: housing prices, inflation. You look at a county like Maricopa County, Arizona,
Speaker 1: sixty percent of the of the state of Arizona lives
Speaker 1: in one county Republicans won the DA race they want
Speaker 1: to buy eight points. Americopa they won, They won this,
Speaker 1: the county school board seat, superintendent of education seat, they
Speaker 1: won almost every down ballid election there was for quality
Speaker 1: of life when they came to quality life issues in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, who lost and whose main coulpriers were
Speaker 1: love anyone who sat there and said abortion ban, support
Speaker 1: abortion bans and the election was stolen Carry Lake Blank
Speaker 1: Masters Obey whatever whatever his name was, and then Mark Fintrum.
Speaker 1: They all lost across the entire board. You know, Ben
Speaker 1: Tasha and not that you need to win Mayra Copa,
Speaker 1: but you can't lose it because there's a guy. Tom
Speaker 1: Horney was education superintendent of Arizona. He beat an incumbent
Speaker 1: Democrat in twenty twenty two. He won statewide Arizona. Even
Speaker 1: though he lost Maricopa. He's gonna lose by that much.
Speaker 2: So do people do people from Mago world? Do they
Speaker 2: argue with you on these numbers in this analysis, by
Speaker 2: the way, like to you, not not the performative crap
Speaker 2: on Twitter. I mean, do people really think they're wrong
Speaker 2: on this stuff?
Speaker 1: Not many? I mean not the people they just I mean,
Speaker 1: I speak to people on Trump campaign world all the time,
Speaker 1: and I just say to them, playing blank, like you
Speaker 1: know you can't win, right, like you know, like this
Speaker 1: is the Like it's just the primary. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: win a general election. People genuinely independent, suburban, they genuinely
Speaker 1: their minds are made up. There's not many people left
Speaker 1: in this country who don't how they feel about Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And unless the conditions are so poor, things we can't
Speaker 1: see out in the future. Let's say we go into
Speaker 1: a massive recession. Let's say we go to war with
Speaker 1: China or rush like something that happens and is cataclysmic.
Speaker 1: Next level, there's another COVID problem, something on that level
Speaker 1: that we we don't foresee. And people's heads or the
Speaker 1: guns to their heads, they don't they do not like him,
Speaker 1: like it's just it's just an instinctive thing. They don't
Speaker 1: like him. And the abortion thing is really, really, really
Speaker 1: hurt Republicans, and it hurt them. If you look at
Speaker 1: the overall map of the country, there was a red wave.
Speaker 1: Blue districts got redder, red districts got redder. It was
Speaker 1: the suburban, middle class counties that care enormously about the
Speaker 1: issues of like democracy and the issues of abortion. That
Speaker 1: were the ones that moved bluer and that's where all
Speaker 1: our swing districts were, and that's where we lost them.
Speaker 1: So and it didn't help that the map wasn't really
Speaker 1: favorable to us and all the other all the rest
Speaker 1: of it. But that's why we lost the Senate candidates
Speaker 1: we lost, That's why we lost the governor candiates that
Speaker 1: we lost. And you know, there is a lack of
Speaker 1: there is a lack of temperate. Temperate. Sorry. The way
Speaker 1: that Trump has been approaching a lot of these issues
Speaker 1: is cho vi chuck. But I will tell you you
Speaker 1: asked before how he can sit there and maybe gain
Speaker 1: some ground. Trump is already running a general election campaign.
Speaker 1: When he dropped abortion restrictions as part of his platform,
Speaker 1: which was like a last week where he said he
Speaker 1: would not support any restrictions on federal level of abortion, I,
Speaker 1: by the way, think is a smart move that shows
Speaker 1: he's triangulating towards the general election candidate. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of other issues. The one thing that
Speaker 1: he will never move on is publicly acknowledging the election
Speaker 1: was stolen and for a lot of people, Trump is
Speaker 1: running as if he was never president before. He's saying
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, and I'm going to do that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. Dude, you
Speaker 1: didn't do any of it the first time. He moved
Speaker 1: in embassy like congratulations, like cut corporation taxes, and he
Speaker 1: moved to embassy like no offense. But I kind of
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to do this again.
Speaker 2: So this is just I mean, I wish, you know,
Speaker 2: I honestly kind of want to do like Gurdusky fields,
Speaker 2: the phone calls that I get talking about this on radio,
Speaker 2: because I'll just have some people, you know, listeners, or
Speaker 2: maybe they're just deciding to troll me for the one
Speaker 2: time they're calling in. I don't know, but they'll say
Speaker 2: things like I'm voting for Trump again because he kept
Speaker 2: all of his promises and got everything done that he
Speaker 2: said he was going to get done, and for you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how. I don't really know
Speaker 2: what to say to that, because it doesn't matter, because
Speaker 2: it's clear that it wouldn't matter. And and and then
Speaker 2: I say to them, I voted for Trump twice. I
Speaker 2: thought overall, you know, he did he did well as
Speaker 2: as president and obviously voted for me against Joe Biden. No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, I have to agree with all this
Speaker 2: other stuff or else. There's like a sense of betrayal,
Speaker 2: like how could you be you know, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to I'm supposed to say. I'm supposed to say
Speaker 2: that Florida sucks, the wall was built. You know, these
Speaker 2: are things I'm supposed to say or else. There are
Speaker 2: some people, maybe it's a small part, but they get
Speaker 2: mad at me, and I don't really know what I
Speaker 2: can say to them. I don't really know how to
Speaker 2: I get a little flabbergasted by it.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, I'm not out for a popularity kind
Speaker 1: of Some don't care if they get mad at me,
Speaker 1: but the point is, and they can troll me all
Speaker 1: day on Twitter. I don't do the comments, so I
Speaker 1: just listen never. There are a ton of people in
Speaker 1: the media, and I go on the media a lot,
Speaker 1: so I can consider myself part of conservative media. But
Speaker 1: a lot of people who openly lie the viewers, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them every single solitary day. They're paid
Speaker 1: to lie. A lot of them are paid by campaigns
Speaker 1: secretly or organizations that are supported by campaigns. It's a lie,
Speaker 1: straightforward to lie every single solitary day. Some believe the
Speaker 1: live but most do not. And at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, my consciousness there and says, Okay, if there's
Speaker 1: there's a wall built, how are all these migrants across
Speaker 1: on the wall? Where? How are how are where? We
Speaker 1: see tons of video footage of migrants walking across the border?
Speaker 1: Why are they being stopped by that wall that Trump built?
Speaker 1: And he built fifteen miles, which is okay, better than nothing.
Speaker 1: But if conquer stuff in the fifteen miles built, or.
Speaker 2: Did he not try?
Speaker 1: Why did he? Why did why? Why did Donald Trump
Speaker 1: push most of his most of his politics to his
Speaker 1: Democrats on the law only?
Speaker 2: Could I could I get somebody who is all all
Speaker 2: in on Trump on the other side already?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Can I try to I want to moderate a Could
Speaker 2: we do like a show where I will moderate between
Speaker 2: you two?
Speaker 1: Let's do it? Yeah, listen, And I don't come at
Speaker 1: this as some I'm not Bill Crystal, I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: Cindy McCain. I voted for Donald Trump every time he
Speaker 1: was on the ballot. The day he came down that
Speaker 1: golden escalator. I said, he's my guy, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people. But like a lot of people who came
Speaker 1: to Trump to support him, I didn't support him because
Speaker 1: he was on the Apprentice. I didn't support him because
Speaker 1: you know he was going to tell McConnell f himself
Speaker 1: and act like an asshole on Twitter. Scuse my nuage.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna. I wasn't. I didn't support I support
Speaker 1: him because he said our country is fundamentally broken by
Speaker 1: our elite, which I still agree with. I still agree
Speaker 1: with every policy he put forward. In twenty sixteen, I
Speaker 1: voted for him to be president, and very few of
Speaker 1: those policies ever got accomplished. And it's not because the
Speaker 1: chance wasn't there. It was that we didn't have a
Speaker 1: leader who even exercised that chance. And let me give
Speaker 1: you one little example. He could not get the raz
Speaker 1: Act done, the Raiz Act, which would have altered our
Speaker 1: immigration policy fundamentally for the better. He could not get
Speaker 1: Republicans to sign on to it, or Democrats is when
Speaker 1: they had the majority in both houses. So you know
Speaker 1: what he should have done. He should have sat there
Speaker 1: to say, Nancy Postio, Mitch McConnell the resident has the
Speaker 1: sole authority to withhold any class or any single immigrant
Speaker 1: that they want to on their own. Latterly, if Trump
Speaker 1: called President Day, if Biden said, guess what, guys, no
Speaker 1: more redheads in this country, he has unilateral authority. No
Speaker 1: one can tell him no. Trump had that authority. You
Speaker 1: know what he was doing. He was meeting with Jeff Bezos,
Speaker 1: saying how Jeff Bezos needs more immigrants.
Speaker 2: So hold on it, yeah, hold on a second. I
Speaker 2: got to reach for some Scotch here while we're doing
Speaker 2: this podcast, Okay, And I need to. I need to
Speaker 2: numb the pain of what you're telling me a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I do, by the way, I want to have
Speaker 2: because this needs to happen, because what the situation right
Speaker 2: now is we just have people who the the line
Speaker 2: from the Trump surrogates is agree with everything, or you're
Speaker 2: a trader, and and never happen, and twenty twenty never happens.
Speaker 2: And I sit here and I say, I've supported Trump
Speaker 2: for years. I've supported Trump in ways that have cost me, friends,
Speaker 2: have cost me, you know, peace of mind, just like
Speaker 2: walking into events and stuff from psychopaths we're threating, like
Speaker 2: you know, I've been and I'm just trying to make
Speaker 2: sure we don't lose again, and that is on it.
Speaker 1: That is the I would ask. I don't want I
Speaker 1: think I want to estimate this way though. Look, we
Speaker 1: Joe Biden has a very real chance of picking Alito
Speaker 1: and Clarence's replacements, Clarence Thomas's replacements on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: There's a very real chance that that could happen in
Speaker 1: our future. And we have nine Democrats in swing to
Speaker 1: swing states, and the US sent it up for a
Speaker 1: vote in twenty twenty four. We can't screw around. This
Speaker 1: isn't for you know, shits and giggles. This is a
Speaker 1: real thing for the future of our country in a
Speaker 1: real fundamental way. And we just can't sit there with
Speaker 1: a guy who just released the book making fun of
Speaker 1: John McCain's funeral again, Like it's been five years, so
Speaker 1: he has been dead. What are you still angry about?
Speaker 1: Like what kind of a person are you? You just
Speaker 1: lost Arizona, Carrie Lake just lost Arizona, but mastress los Arizona.
Speaker 1: So you're a plan is let me release a book
Speaker 1: where I should on John McCain a year before the election,
Speaker 1: when only three states really matter Georgia, Wisconsin, and Arizona.
Speaker 1: I mean that is that shows that we care about
Speaker 1: winning more than the man who would put his name
Speaker 1: on the Battle of does. All.
Speaker 2: Right, A right, we're gonna come back. We're gonna come
Speaker 2: back here a second and talk about how we can
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Speaker 2: time for some positive time. Okay, the coach just told
Speaker 2: us that we we've blown our coverage and we're fumbling
Speaker 2: next to the end zone. And okay, all right, fine,
Speaker 2: Now tell the team, sir, how we can actually get
Speaker 2: into the end zone and win this game? How can
Speaker 2: we win twenty twenty four? What has to happen?
Speaker 1: I think that I think the Republicans need to accept
Speaker 1: certain fundamental truths, one of which is, even we had
Speaker 1: sixty United State centers, we're not going to ban abortion
Speaker 1: nationwide and all fighting on a federal level. Abortion it's
Speaker 1: still the planned pattern of fund and it is we
Speaker 1: should leave it to the states and just walk away
Speaker 1: from that fight altogether. It's never going to happen. To
Speaker 1: fight hard for something that you can win is totally acceptable.
Speaker 1: To fight for something hard and possibly lose for something
Speaker 1: you cannot win circumstands is a mistake. I think states
Speaker 1: should be a should be left up to states, and
Speaker 1: states should decide, says one. Two. You got to just
Speaker 1: walk away from the whole twenty twenty conversation entirely not important.
Speaker 1: Talking about really living January sixth not important. What's important
Speaker 1: is not the children a woman may have. It's not
Speaker 1: It's not conversations on things people did at the capital
Speaker 1: three years ago. The conversation is what's going on for
Speaker 1: that kid in a classroom today who has that experience
Speaker 1: of massive learning loss, who is more likely if they
Speaker 1: are black, and more likely to die now than they
Speaker 1: work before twenty seventeen. The somebody that's like Chicago, Philadelphia
Speaker 1: and Baltimore and Louisiana, New Orleans. What are we going
Speaker 1: to sit there and have a real conversation about how
Speaker 1: how are we going to prevent like another COVID from happening?
Speaker 1: You know, everything Trump ever said in twenty sixteen was
Speaker 1: true about how we don't have a manufacturing based in
Speaker 1: this country and we still don't have one, and the
Speaker 1: job the manufacturing jobs that did come back under Trump
Speaker 1: didn't come back to the Midwest. They came back to Arizona,
Speaker 1: to Nevada, to California, to Texas, to Florida. They didn't
Speaker 1: come back to the rost beels. How are we actually
Speaker 1: going to make a real positive investment in places that
Speaker 1: people are just leaving and how are we going to
Speaker 1: make those How is the federal government the same federal
Speaker 1: government that killed those places by putting China into into
Speaker 1: the free trade to the World Trade Organization and giving
Speaker 1: free trade to China? How are we going to reinstate
Speaker 1: those people's hopes and fears? Those are the kinds of
Speaker 1: conversations that need to be happy, you know, we need
Speaker 1: to have How are we going to protect the border
Speaker 1: and literally thousands of people on the terrast watchers have
Speaker 1: crossed our border. Those those are stations that are serious
Speaker 1: people being in charge of our country as you.
Speaker 2: I want to there's something I want to ask a
Speaker 2: meaning to ask you this again, based on what we
Speaker 2: can see from from the numbers, I'm trying to tell everybody,
Speaker 2: by the way, and this is just having been close
Speaker 2: enough to the Afghanistan issue specifically, uh and you know
Speaker 2: at policy level and everything else being over there, that
Speaker 2: this idea that talking about the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan
Speaker 2: is gonna win us votes. I think it's crazy because ultimately,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't want to hear this,
Speaker 2: but we're not in Afghanistan anymore. That's the truth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not there, so we can talk about that, the
Speaker 2: withdrawal and it was a mess, and it was you know,
Speaker 2: it was the people in charge look like idiots. Yes,
Speaker 2: all true, but that's not gonna win us the election.
Speaker 2: Right Ukraine? How does Ukraine factor into all this? Do
Speaker 2: people care and if they care enough that it matters
Speaker 2: for the election, what does it look like for us
Speaker 2: to try to use the Ukraine issue in order to show,
Speaker 2: you know, endless war is a bad idea, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Well more important analyst wars our Pentagon has even stated
Speaker 1: we don't have military equipment left anymore given it all
Speaker 1: to Ukraine, Like there's tons of military shortages, military equipment shortages,
Speaker 1: and like here's I think the way to sit there
Speaker 1: and explain it. We borrow money from China, who's Russia's ally,
Speaker 1: to give to Ukraine to fight Russia, so we could
Speaker 1: hit with the debt and the inflation to fight that
Speaker 1: it benefits our major global opponent that we have long
Speaker 1: term problems with than the current one. I think a
Speaker 1: big problem for a lot of people, especially in leadership,
Speaker 1: is they haven't except that the Cold Wars over and
Speaker 1: we want it and it's gone now in Russia is
Speaker 1: not the Soviet Union, and we should be working with
Speaker 1: our allies in other places on a ceasefire, on ending
Speaker 1: the war in some way shape and form, continuating it
Speaker 1: so we can kill as many Russians as possible. But
Speaker 1: ultimately we are at a disadvantage because our military equipment
Speaker 1: is literally at the lowest levels has been in decades,
Speaker 1: and we are doing this at to borrowing the money
Speaker 1: from China to give to Ukraine to fight China's ally
Speaker 1: and tending ourselves more to China and creating more inflation.
Speaker 1: Is that we can't get the money from China, We're
Speaker 1: just printing it. So it's I think I think the
Speaker 1: more the bigger question is is, like you know, we've
Speaker 1: given more money to Ukraine, We've Afghanistan and we still have.
Speaker 2: I've been to like.
Speaker 1: Parts of this country that people talk about that they
Speaker 1: actually go to. I've been to parts of like the
Speaker 1: rough industry Midwest where there was the poddles so large
Speaker 1: it was a mattress. And to stop the bubble like,
Speaker 1: we are spending far more on other people's problems that
Speaker 1: we can't solve and we will ever spend on ourselves.
Speaker 1: And that is a problem for a working class in
Speaker 1: this country and a middle class in this country who
Speaker 1: can't pay for college, who can't find a home, can't
Speaker 1: pay for the down payment of a home. We're getting
Speaker 1: killed with interest rates, long lines for gasoline at times.
Speaker 1: This is the ultimate problem is how are you going?
Speaker 1: What I said before with what Republicans are killing everyone on,
Speaker 1: Democrats on is quality of life issues? How are you
Speaker 1: going to make the quality of life of the average
Speaker 1: American better? And describe it in a way that Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders describes his Medicare policy, where if you close your
Speaker 1: eyes and you thought about it, you could envision your
Speaker 1: life being better. I think that's the I think going
Speaker 1: back to basics and answer that always great everyone a
Speaker 1: wall you can imagine your life because of X Y Z.
Speaker 1: What is what is the promise of the future. That
Speaker 1: is what the Sanders should be figuring out right now.
Speaker 1: That is what Trump should be working on right now
Speaker 1: and moving forward into twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean you can. You've got to win a
Speaker 1: Bio and West Virginia and just to defend Texas. And
Speaker 1: I think the map is so good. The map is
Speaker 1: excellent this time around. You have so many opportunities to
Speaker 1: win the Senate. It would be it's literally unbelievable if
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: What's the Is there any place where we could try
Speaker 2: to steal one out of their kitchen cupboard, if you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Is there any place we could
Speaker 2: pick up a seat where it'll really piss the Democrats off?
Speaker 2: Because that's always exciting.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we have the chance of Arizona because
Speaker 1: kitchen center rings an independent. You have West Virginia, you
Speaker 1: have Ohio, you have Montana, you have Nevada, where the
Speaker 1: Democrat this time is even less pumper than the government
Speaker 1: Democrat last time. You don't have Georgia this time. I
Speaker 1: think it's in twenty six but you do. You have
Speaker 1: a ton of places.
Speaker 2: There's like that's five, Arizona is kind of what I mean,
Speaker 2: Arizona would be like that would be a morale win too,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, to pick up a Senate
Speaker 2: Yeah there, I was.
Speaker 1: Just there for school board stuff. Yeah, it would be
Speaker 1: a huge win. And it's totally possible. And I think
Speaker 1: cinema hates the Democrats more than shades the Republicans, so
Speaker 1: we have always be huge And I think that there's
Speaker 1: other by Hampshire's up to which would be a huge win.
Speaker 1: We haven't had to win there in since twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: as when we lost our Senate seat. There wasn't that
Speaker 1: long ago. Pennsylvania is up, it was a tougher, tougher road.
Speaker 1: Michigan is an open seat. That would be great if
Speaker 1: it's possible. Wisconsin is up, I believe as well. So
Speaker 1: there's there's nine states right there that are swing states,
Speaker 1: red states that if you have a red weave with
Speaker 1: a president who's remarkably unpopular, as long as you don't
Speaker 1: run anybody who's even less unpopular. You know, even in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen we picked up Senate seats, so it's totally
Speaker 1: possible we had a net game for three sentence seats
Speaker 1: I believe it was, and there were two sentence seats
Speaker 1: in the Senate.
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Speaker 2: just has no chance, Trump has no chance, it gets by,
Speaker 2: and there was a little depressing the Senate. However, looking
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Buck,