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Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 1: with you, and we've got a fun show for you,

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Speaker 1: coming from Washington, d C. We're all in the same place, Center,

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Speaker 1: and we have a friend of the show, a friend

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Speaker 1: of yours, a guest to talk about two different things,

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Speaker 1: my favorite sports, your favorite politics, and we get to

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Speaker 1: talk about Israel.

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Speaker 2: All of that. That's like bonus.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is going to be a fun podcast. We

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Speaker 3: are joined today by the great legendary basketball coach Bruce Pearl,

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Speaker 3: the former coach of Auburn. He was a national champion,

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Speaker 3: won in Division two the national championship. With Auburn, he

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Speaker 3: went not once but twice to the final four, including

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Speaker 3: a year ago a heartbreaker where Florida barely eked out

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Speaker 3: a victory. I'm sorry to bring that up. No, that's

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Speaker 3: you know, to quote my favorite movie, The Princess Bride,

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Speaker 3: Why don't you give me a nice paper cut and

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Speaker 3: put lemon juice in it while you're at it. But then,

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Speaker 3: and then Florida went on to win a national championship,

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Speaker 3: beating Houston, which was paying for us as well. He

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Speaker 3: recently retired and is now ambassador for Auburn is now

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Speaker 3: doing sports broadcasting. He is also someone who cares passionately

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Speaker 3: about Israel, passionately about America, passionately about sports, passionately about life.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about all of them, Bruce.

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Speaker 2: Welcome God, Senator Cruz. That's a lot to a love

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Speaker 2: up to right there. That's a tremendous introduction. It's great

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Speaker 2: to be with you, guys. Appreciate what you're doing. Grateful.

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Speaker 1: Compassion dot Com. That's Compassion dot Com. I want to

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Speaker 1: retiring at all.

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Speaker 4: No, and this is what your retirement's going to look like.

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Speaker 4: I just want you to know this. There's no way

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Speaker 4: you're ever going to retire center. I'd probably be the

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Speaker 4: same way as.

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Speaker 3: What I believe. Retirement is a moral And by the way,

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Speaker 3: ask my father who's eighty six about to turn eighty seven,

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Speaker 3: and he will argue retirement is not a biblical concept.

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Speaker 3: My dad's a pastor, and he will lay out there's

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Speaker 3: no concept of retirement anywhere in the Older New Testament.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 3: We are here on this planet to make a difference.

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Speaker 3: And and and retirement is not something. He will never retire.

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Speaker 3: I will never retire. And Bruce is not retiring, He's

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Speaker 2: I'm not coaching and not coaching basketball My management style

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Speaker 3: My Taylor says, I do the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Me too. That's a part of my new Year's resolution.

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Speaker 3: So actually we have a new Year's resolution. We had

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Speaker 2: How you doing? Are you on it? Are you working?

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Speaker 3: I am on it. It is to drop thirty pounds

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Speaker 3: Now it's the villain. I get to beat people up

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Speaker 2: I just want to be on your side, don't you.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be on your side.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's a Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: They're telling no, no, don't do it then, but do

439
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Speaker 2: it as you get into college. Don't play every sport,

440
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 2: play a couple high school sports, and but but narrow

441
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Speaker 2: it down a little bit. Obviously the things that they're

442
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,639
Speaker 2: you know, nutrition now was a factor. The kids are

443
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Speaker 2: doing a better job take care of the body. They're

444
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Speaker 2: they're specialized. Our kids now are way more physically mature

445
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,440
Speaker 2: than they were back in the day because the money

446
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 2: is bigger. They they're closer to the money, so they're

447
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 2: they're getting more disciplined, and they're they're working out more.

448
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 2: And uh, I mean again I got I kind of

449
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Speaker 2: go back to advice. Have a dimension on the court,

450
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Speaker 2: you know, do something really well that a coach can

451
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Speaker 2: Obviously you can use.

452
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Speaker 4: What is your it's what is your thing?

453
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Speaker 2: Is the question? Right? What makes him special? Now?

454
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Speaker 1: I mean that's what you're saying, is important for you

455
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Speaker 1: to stand out when you're getting recruited.

456
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Speaker 3: Ben, what was your game in tennis? Will you serve?

457
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Speaker 2: No?

458
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Speaker 1: I was I was known as being slow, having a

459
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Speaker 1: massive serve, having an unbelievable ad court.

460
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Speaker 2: Return for you're a backstop like there's just continue to

461
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Speaker 2: get sent it back, send it back, send it back,

462
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Speaker 2: and where I'm out. Yeah, I mean it was.

463
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Speaker 1: It was He's going to serve through you, and he's

464
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Speaker 1: gonna and he and he will always have you in devils.

465
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Speaker 2: Then you'll win more points that paper. I mean for me,

466
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Speaker 2: tough obviously, toughness, mental and physical toughness wind up wind

467
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Speaker 2: up winning. At the end of the day. A physically

468
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Speaker 2: and a mentally tough guy is going to win. It's

469
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Speaker 2: like when dogs kind of getting a fight, they they

470
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Speaker 2: kind of know who the big dog is. And the

471
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Speaker 2: big dog may not be the biggest dog out there,

472
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Speaker 2: but he's a badass, and so it's it's something Toughness

473
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Speaker 2: isn't something that you can really teach, but you sure

474
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Speaker 2: can't expose it. It can be exposed, and so soft

475
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Speaker 2: kids don't make it all right.

476
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Speaker 3: What makes a great shooter?

477
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Speaker 2: I think the eye. I think I think guys that

478
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Speaker 2: have incredible eyes that are able to focus on that

479
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Speaker 2: target and hit that target.

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Speaker 3: That's two answers you gave. I wouldn't have predicted in

481
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Speaker 3: the eye and.

482
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Speaker 2: Seeing it like mentally, like if you were as a

483
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Speaker 2: tennis player, you had to actually see and mentally see

484
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Speaker 2: that serve when you toss it up there and hit

485
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Speaker 2: it through. Great baseball players can see that ball.

486
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Speaker 3: Ted Williams could see the scenes on the curve ball

487
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Speaker 3: like he had just crazy good.

488
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Speaker 2: A true story.

489
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Speaker 1: My coach said to me, he goes, there will be

490
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Speaker 1: a time in your life when you will be able

491
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Speaker 1: to have a serve hit at you and you'll be

492
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Speaker 1: able to tell me the number and who makes the ball.

493
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Speaker 4: And it happened for me for three days and I

494
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Speaker 4: never got it back.

495
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Speaker 1: But you could hit ball as hard as you want

496
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Speaker 1: to serve one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty miles

497
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Speaker 1: an hour, and I could tell you it was a

498
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Speaker 1: Wilson was open three or a pin four. And I

499
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Speaker 1: don't know what happens in your brain, but it's the

500
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Speaker 1: same thing with it now. I never got it back.

501
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Speaker 1: But he didn't lie, and that he was like the

502
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Speaker 1: guys that are the greats could see that the majority.

503
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Speaker 3: Of And I gotta tell you, if you play me

504
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Speaker 3: ping pong and you hit the ball at me, I

505
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Speaker 3: can tell you what color the ball.

506
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Speaker 2: That's good.

507
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Speaker 3: Usually it's orange white ball.

508
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Speaker 4: I mean it's not good.

509
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Speaker 2: It's that good. It's a gift.

510
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he should have been recruited and I al would

511
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Speaker 4: have loved this guy.

512
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Speaker 2: Can you go in to Pink Pond's scholarship? Can you

513
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: not in a game in Asia? And Asia that might

514
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Speaker 2: be a thing.

515
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Speaker 3: I'm not for. All right, let's talk Nil how his

516
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Speaker 3: ni l changed college sports.

517
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Speaker 2: Do you love it or hate it? Can ask?

518
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Speaker 4: First of all.

519
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Speaker 2: First of all, the NCAA was arrogant and not recognizing

520
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 2: that they were sitting on our country's biggest anti trust violation.

521
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Speaker 2: They were just arrogant, and we had smart people in

522
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Speaker 2: the industry and the fact that they wanted to fight

523
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Speaker 2: for amateurism when it wasn't realistic when everybody was making

524
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Speaker 2: all this money. I was a big believer obviously Scott

525
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Speaker 2: college scholarships and what that industry did for our country.

526
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Speaker 2: Think about it. Rural Americans that never dreamed of going

527
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Speaker 2: to college, all of a sudden, they had the opportunity

528
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Speaker 2: through something that they maybe were good at sports, got

529
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Speaker 2: them on the campus and.

530
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Speaker 3: Kids award it that that had no history of family

531
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Speaker 3: going to college.

532
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Speaker 2: Weren't ever thinking about it all of a sudden because

533
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Speaker 2: because academics may not have been something they were good at.

534
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Speaker 2: Nobody likes to do anything they're not good at, but

535
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Speaker 2: they like sports. Then they went to college and they

536
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: got caught up and figured out they weren't dumb, they

537
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: just weren't prepared. Women. There weren't as many women on

538
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Speaker 2: college campuses back in the day. Intercollegiate athletics Title nine

539
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Speaker 2: exploded women on campus just so, and there is no

540
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Speaker 2: other university. Intercollegiate athletics is American. There's no other place

541
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Speaker 2: in the world that does what we do. So we've

542
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: got a unique system that right now needs fixing because

543
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a disaster. It's chaos off the court,

544
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 2: on the field, and on the court. It's great. The

545
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: product that we're putting out is really, really good. But

546
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Speaker 2: the problem is what we're paying our top student athletes

547
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 2: because everybody wants to win is ridiculous. Back in the day,

548
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 2: ten years ago, you couldn't give him a hamburger. Now

549
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: you can buy them a Hamburger restaurant. It's not against

550
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: the rules. Literally, the top college football programs that are

551
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: competing right now, their call their rosters are between thirty

552
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: five and forty million dollars for that roster right now,

553
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Speaker 2: most most schools can't afford it, So most schools aren't there.

554
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Speaker 2: But the schools that are playing right now and still

555
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: playing right now are there. Why is Indiana and Miami there?

556
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: Great coaching, great kids, great support, But Indiana would be

557
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Speaker 2: a great example. All of a sudden, Mark Cuban, the

558
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Speaker 2: people in Indiana said, you know what, We're going to

559
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Speaker 2: be committed. Yep. Now the challenge is are you gonna

560
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Speaker 2: do it every year? And it's one thing in your world?

561
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Speaker 2: You got to raise twenty million dollars for an election

562
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Speaker 2: thirty minute, whatever it is.

563
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Speaker 3: My last race was a quarter billion dollars.

564
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Speaker 2: Race, and I got I sent a thousand dollars. Very

565
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Speaker 2: happy to have supported you, Thank you. Yeah, absolutely, I

566
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Speaker 2: would confess I didn't know that.

567
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Speaker 3: That's really cool.

568
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Speaker 2: Very happy to have supported thank you. But every year,

569
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Speaker 2: every year, if you had a camp paint every year

570
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: and you had to raise that money every year, that's

571
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Speaker 2: what's happening in college sports. College sports is losing an

572
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Speaker 2: enormous amount of money. We can't continue to afford it,

573
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Speaker 2: and so who's gonna suffer from it? At some point?

574
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Speaker 2: Olympic sports are gonna get cut.

575
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Speaker 3: Yep.

576
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Speaker 2: We're in the Olympics.

577
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Speaker 3: Well, see that schools are canceling programs every day. They're

578
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: doing it now, and smaller schools are also in trouble.

579
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Speaker 2: YEP.

580
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Speaker 3: Division two, Division three. Yes, if we don't do something,

581
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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna wake up soon and there's gonna

582
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Speaker 3: be thirty to fifty programs and the top programs will

583
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Speaker 3: survive and have all the money, and I think everyone

584
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Speaker 3: else goes under unless we.

585
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Speaker 2: Do something correct.

586
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Speaker 1: This subject makes me mad because I'm mad at the

587
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Speaker 1: NCAA for allowing us to get to this point. And

588
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Speaker 1: I'll say it quickly. I watched the corruption when I

589
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Speaker 1: was at Ole miss And what does corruption look like?

590
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Speaker 1: Roommate of mine had to go get money in cash

591
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: so mom could come to the game. Grew up in Arkansas,

592
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: literally grew up in a trailer, and it was what

593
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Speaker 1: does mom need to get you to come to school?

594
00:25:58,840 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: Here?

595
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Speaker 1: We were paying players, it was there. Every athlete knew.

596
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: It was the idea that people weren't getting paid.

597
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Speaker 3: But I like to say SMU was doing nil before.

598
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: That's true.

599
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: They were pioneers, but the NCAA knew it. And that's

600
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Speaker 1: the part that makes me angry now is like they've

601
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Speaker 1: created this chaos.

602
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: Well they created it by.

603
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: Not policing it and figuring out sooner because they owned us.

604
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Speaker 1: And I say, it's an athlete like a modern day slave.

605
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Speaker 1: You made all this money off of our work. You

606
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: made all this cash off the TV rights everyone was getting.

607
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: I told you, I really makes me mad because I

608
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: see these kids that are suffering.

609
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Speaker 2: The parents.

610
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Speaker 1: They just want to show up for the game. Then

611
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: they're having to do shady deals where mom gets cash

612
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: so you can drive to the game. But they're making

613
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Speaker 1: millions and all the seats and all the tickets and

614
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Speaker 1: everything else. And we were abused. As an athlete. I

615
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: think it is modern day slavery what they did. Now

616
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Speaker 1: it's gone the other way, and they're like, well, it's

617
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Speaker 1: this is a terrible thing for the athletes.

618
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Speaker 2: There has to be in between.

619
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Speaker 1: But my point is, don't pull it all the way

620
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Speaker 1: back where, let's make it an honest living. I think

621
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Speaker 1: guys like Tim Tebow is a great example of this.

622
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Speaker 1: Tim Tebow or a TEXTA A and M guy, what's

623
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Speaker 1: his name, Johnny Selm, timeon jo The amount of money

624
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: they're bringing into these programs, and if you get hurt,

625
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: you don't go to the next level. You don't get

626
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. You deserve to get paid

627
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: while you're a pro athlete at a university. That's what

628
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: you are. I say that to also say I am concerned.

629
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Speaker 1: I played a non sport that made money. I don't

630
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: want to see golf disappear, tennis disappear, women swimming, archery,

631
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Speaker 1: whatever it may be.

632
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Speaker 4: How do we rein it in it's a grand idea,

633
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 4: I say.

634
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Speaker 1: I get frustrated because I genuinely still hate the NCAA

635
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: right now.

636
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: I cannot stand them.

637
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: And if you go and poll athletes, if you did

638
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: a poll right now of the last twenty years of

639
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: college athletes in Division one, they will tell you they

640
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: hate the NCAA because they never protected them.

641
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 2: They never took care of us.

642
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: And then every time we asked a question, you know what,

643
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: they said, shut up and sit down. You're a student athlete.

644
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: You're here for free, be quiet. If you ask questions

645
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: about expend or anything else, you know what they do.

646
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: They would investigate your team and punish you if you

647
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: ask questions. So my point is this, if you don't

648
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: protect the student athletes moving forward, they're gonna get screwed

649
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: again when you do the new deal. And that's where

650
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: I ask you as a coach, as a former coach, now,

651
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: how do you do both? Because I'm telling you, the

652
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: kids will get screwed again because there's too much money

653
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: not to screw them if you don't pay attention.

654
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: So I'm worried. I'm worried that.

655
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Speaker 1: I almost like the Wild West more because at least

656
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: it's an honest day's work.

657
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: And all the betting that's going on now, it's insane.

658
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 4: The amount of money around college sports insane.

659
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: Everyone's getting paid.

660
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Speaker 1: So part of me is like, as a kid, I'm like,

661
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: if my kid's good enough, I bring me the cash too.

662
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: You're making money off of every game of every other way.

663
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: When he says if his kid's good enough bringing the cash,

664
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: this is not hypothetical because his son's He had one

665
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: son who was the number two golfer in the.

666
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: World for his age practice so how old he was

667
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: He started at six, Now he's nine.

668
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: So I have my news. I have a twin at six.

669
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: Aubyn went National championshipc golf last year. Yeah, oh yeah,

670
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: We've got to the top ten amateurs in the world

671
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: on our team right.

672
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: Now, Ben's already buying a beach house off.

673
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I worry about this. How many kids are

674
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: gonna get screwed if you overcorrect? So I asked that

675
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: with passion. As a former athlete, I think what they

676
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: did to these kids is wrong. The way they were

677
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: treated was wrong. The way the parents have to some

678
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: suffer while they're making all this cash off, it's not fair.

679
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you're right about some of the inequalities. I

680
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: can remember before NIL we'd make the NCAA tournament and

681
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: we travel wherever we're traveling to, and they might send

682
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: us to Seattle, they might send us to Utah or whatever.

683
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: And I had parents of some of my players that

684
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: would take a bus and they travel out there. They'd

685
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: stay at a y w c A or YMCA. I

686
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: would pray for victory just so they wouldn't have to

687
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: watch the game lose and then get back on the

688
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: bus and leave. In other words, like before we could

689
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: help families get there. It was actually there was a

690
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: lot of cost. And I've been trying to support you,

691
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: so we were way behind and trying to take the pendulum. Obviously,

692
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: I swung so basically in its simplest term, and the

693
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: Senator understands this. The courts have ruled that the nc DOUBLEA,

694
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: the way it was set up, setting these rules of

695
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: eligibility or whether you could transfer, or what your academics

696
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 2: could be, or what scholarship was allowed, and what's an

697
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: extra benefit, all those rules were agreed to by the

698
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: parties that be without the student athletes being involved. We

699
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: were the modern day slaves. And so when somebody took

700
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: that to court, they said, wait a second, why can't

701
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: I transfer? Uh coach can go from Texas to Texas

702
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: A and m if he wants to year, I have

703
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: to sit out a year. And of course said, yeah,

704
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: you're right.

705
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: And look, by the way, no coach would ever go

706
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 3: say I missed LSU.

707
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: No, never, never would happened. It's an abusive relationship.

708
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: I tell you, I know.

709
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: You were relationship missed when I tell him, just because

710
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: you wanted to win to Natity, So Lane, we'll be

711
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: sitting there in some hotel room watching.

712
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: He would have gotten bigger bonus that.

713
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: This contract where I got paid.

714
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: If they wanted to that issue, I didn't care pay

715
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: him the money. I said them before it, and I

716
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: said I haven't.

717
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: Don't forget coach Kiffin built that team.

718
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah I know, but here's what that team. He also

719
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: abandoned that team that he built. He abandoned that team.

720
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: And this was the one that said, look you he

721
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 2: he would have stayed in coach, but this day gave

722
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: him an ultimatum. That's like that, this is my analogy.

723
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: We're going there.

724
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: That's like me sleeping saying, hey, honey, we're gonna get divorced.

725
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: I slept with the other woman that you call me with.

726
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I'll sleep with you tonight because I still your husband.

727
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: You know what. You know what when kids would have

728
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: wanted to go to transfer portal on me and they

729
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: wanted the opportunity to maybe come back. Yeah, I said,

730
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: so you want to go to transfer portal. Yeah, you

731
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: want to go get recruited. If things don't work out,

732
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: you want to come back. Yeah. They said, okay. Some

733
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: people like me saying to Brandy, Brandy, my wife, come

734
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: and we said, hey, honey, listen, I love you, but

735
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: I want to get the transfer portal and if things

736
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: don't work out, I want to come back. Yeah.

737
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: No, no, you want to You're dead to be out.

738
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: When Lane left and he said, I'm leaving.

739
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: You are dead. Okay, so you know what you need

740
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: to get over it. I'm finding move on, you're not.

741
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: I've got a few Democrats on there, and Lane Kiffin.

742
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: It's on the list.

743
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: Like if I get a mug shot, you know it's

744
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: going to be worth it.

745
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: You'll bail me out, right, I'm right behind you, right

746
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: behind okay, good, good?

747
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: So what where are we right now? Number one, we

748
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: need to recognize the urgency. This has to be fixed

749
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: because for a lot of different reasons, obviously women sports

750
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: being cut, non revenue sports like tennis being cut, they

751
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: were losing money. There is so much more revenue to

752
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: be gained. The NBA is like the fifth or sixth

753
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: most watched sport in America. College football is number two. Yeah,

754
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: the NBA makes like twice as much money in their

755
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: television contracts in college football. Why, by the way, because

756
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: the NBA bargained with the television as a unit as

757
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: a National Basketball Association college football. The SEC has got

758
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: their contract with ESPN and the ABC twelve got there

759
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: or whatever, and we've left a lot of money on

760
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: the table. College football needs to become college football and

761
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: maximize their revenues which will help pay for everybody else.

762
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: But there are no rules right now, and the courts

763
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: have said, the way our laws in the land are written,

764
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: you can't write these rules and enforce them without infringing

765
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: on those student athletes' rights. So therefore, what I'm asking

766
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: would be in exchange for some limited anti trust protection,

767
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: some limited anti trust per section, Congress would create some

768
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: law that would at least get us in the room

769
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: and allow us to talk to the student athletes. There's

770
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: a special status that's granted two farmers when they co op.

771
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: There's a special status that's granted to the screen actors guilt.

772
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: We don't want employees. The student athletes don't want to

773
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: be employees. The university who want want employees. We don't

774
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: want a union. We don't want to have that kind

775
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: of collective bargaining negotiate. But we got to be able

776
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: to have college athletics, student athletes and people that will

777
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: represent them, call them agents, to call them lawyers, get

778
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: in the same room with some leaders, providing some antitrust

779
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: protection and let them come up with an agreement. We

780
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: can do it, but without a little bit of help

781
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: from Congress, a little bit of legislation, figuring out a

782
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: way to guests in the room. I don't know. I

783
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: don't know what the fix is.

784
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: And as you know, I think it is urgent that

785
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 3: that that Congress acts. I've spent three years drafting legislation,

786
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: working on it. The real question is are we going

787
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: to get bipartisan agreement? And I have been I would

788
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: say we are very very close. I have been negotiating.

789
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: I am hopeful we get it done this year. I

790
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: think if Congress doesn't act, we're going to see the

791
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: college sports that all three of us grew up with.

792
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: We're going to see it decimated and unrecognizable. And so

793
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: this shouldn't be a partisan issue. One of the great

794
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: things about sports it brings people together. It brings people

795
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: together and passionate from totally different walks of life, from

796
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: different parties, different races, different ethnicities, different religions. You can

797
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: stand and cheer and and and there's something awesome about sports,

798
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: About a championship. One of the most fun parts of

799
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: being in the Senate is I get to root on

800
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: Texas teams, and it is it is a spectacular thing.

801
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: By the way, I am a die hard Rockets fan.

802
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: You love Jabari Smith a little bit.

803
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you like coaching, and boy, he's

804
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: got his defense is great. His three point shot is

805
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: getting better every game. What was he like coaching?

806
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: He was? He was a treasure to coach. I think

807
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: one of the things that I think when people watch athletes,

808
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: they just assume that it's God given that the talentssts there,

809
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: and they're just so blessed.

810
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt to be some feet tall.

811
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't. But listen, Ted, that kid was in the

812
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: gym every morning at six o'clock in the morning at

813
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: Sandy Creek High School. He works his tail off, worked

814
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: his tail off, so when other kids weight over there.

815
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: He got twenty pounds heavy. And it's a totally different

816
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: game because last year he get pushed around by big guys.

817
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: He's now got enough meat that he's pushing them around.

818
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: He is and he's gotten a lot better. But the

819
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: discipline that it takes to be a trained athlete, the

820
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: things you have to stay away from as a high

821
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: school kid or a college kid that maybe other kids

822
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: could get away with, and things that they could do,

823
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: they can't. And so I admire. I always tell people

824
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: you want to hire somebody in your company or for

825
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: hire a student athlete. They've tried and they've failed. They

826
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: understand what pressure is all about. They've got disciplined in

827
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: their economy. They also know how to make sacrifice on

828
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: the team. They're not worried about other people's success, which

829
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: when you are just on yourself and all of a

830
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 2: sudden you get in the workplace and you have to

831
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: sort of fit in it, like the first time you've

832
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: been a part of a team, Yeah, part of a family,

833
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: so and so forth. So now Jabari is going to

834
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: be he'll be an NBA al star, and he's got

835
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: a great tutor and being right there, Durant, being right

836
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: there with the brought we needed.

837
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 3: So last year we were number two going into the playoffs,

838
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 3: but we didn't have a superstar. We had a lot

839
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: of great young you know, twenty twenty one, twenty two

840
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: year old talent that I think is awesome, but we

841
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: didn't have someone with three minutes to go four you

842
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: give the ball to and say, okay, we need to score.

843
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: They're gonna get a bucket or they're gonna go to file.

844
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 3: And Katie is so much fun watching him because I mean,

845
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: he they'll triple team file the heck out of him,

846
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: and he makes that lanky, falling back eighteen footer, then

847
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: just how the heck do you stop it? And there's

848
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: a reason he's what number six or seven in the

849
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: all time scoring like a good team. I love. I

850
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: DVR every Rockets game. And by the way, I was

851
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: at game seven and ninety four when we beat the

852
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 3: Knicks and won our first championship ever, and it's it's

853
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 3: my favorite sports memory. And we played at the Summit,

854
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: and I remember Summits on on Richmond Avenue in Houston's

855
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: now Lakewood Church, but it used to be the Summit,

856
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: and I remember on the street on Richmond seeing businessmen

857
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: in three piece suits crying and hugging homeless men. By

858
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: the way, the coolest backstory from that game, So where

859
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: I was sitting was right by where Bob coust Is

860
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: and Doctor J were broadcast in the game, and I

861
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: was close enough I could hear him, and when the

862
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: TV cameras were off, Doctor J gave Costa so much

863
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: grief and he was saying, man, your nick sucks. And

864
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: that was the funniest part of the game. Is Doctor

865
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: ja coub talk some.

866
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: He is a trash talker, pro he's prodit.

867
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: It was the funniest part of the But but there's

868
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: there's a all, right, of all the players you've seen,

869
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: and let's exclude your own players because I don't want

870
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 3: to put you in awkward but all the players you've

871
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: seen coaching, who's the best basketball player you've ever seen?

872
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: That you said, Holy cow, that guy's got something.

873
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: The player player probably seeing Michael Jordan probably see him.

874
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: I saw him when he was at North Carolina. I

875
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: was an assistant at Stanford. And the thing about it

876
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: him he was tiny then by the way he's But

877
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: you know when you go to a thoroughbred racetrack and

878
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: you see the legs, it's just the horses just different

879
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: on the On those thoroughbreds, he had a different He

880
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: had a different body, a different build, The way he

881
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 2: moved way cares just his length. And then what none

882
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: of us knew was his ability to impact the team.

883
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: That's the difference between him. For me, he's the grace

884
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: of all time, unquestionable a time. Yeah, because he could

885
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: handle Rodman. He could handle some of us. They weren't

886
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: they weren't the most talented teams, but he could handle

887
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: those guys, and all he cared about was winning. That's

888
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: all he cared about, and he made everybody else on

889
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: his team better. I think he made Phil Jackson a

890
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 2: better coach because he listened to not my job Joby

891
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: Hall said this, and I heard this at a Claye

892
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: one time, and I believe this. Look, it's not my

893
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: job as a coach make every right decision. I'm going

894
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: to make the best decisions I possibly can based on

895
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: my experience and what I know. And you know what,

896
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a lot of good decisions. Not every

897
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: one of them is going to be the best decision,

898
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: but it is my player's job to make my decisions work. Shorge,

899
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: he need to break buddle and make that work. We're

900
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: going to one three. One might have been a bad decision,

901
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: but do it well, get out there and make that one.

902
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: We wouldn't work in this posision. What's gonna stop.

903
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: When Jordan came to the NBA, I was a big

904
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 3: Larry bird fan, and so I used to argue, Oh,

905
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: you know, Jordan's fine, but he's not burden. Birden won

906
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 3: three consecutive MVPs, and you know he shoot these crazy

907
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: lefty and jump shots and it was Bird was great.

908
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: He was one of the greatest ever to play. And

909
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: I'd be like, Okay, yeah, Jordan's good, but he's just

910
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: an offensive players, one dimensional. And then he comes back

911
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: and starts playing incredible defense, and I mean like, okay,

912
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: he can drive, but he can't shoot. And he comes

913
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: back and I feel like Jordan just like grab me

914
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: by the head and starts sladding me into the ground.

915
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: And so I'm finally like, I'm making the arguments that

916
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 3: I just stopped, and I'm like, yeah, no, yeah, Jordan's

917
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: just like like it, and I am all right. I

918
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: defined what what would have been my ultimate dream basketball game,

919
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: and it was the following It was Houston Chicago. Okay,

920
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: NBA Finals Game seven, I'm with you. Jordan's scores one

921
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: hundred and one points and break breaks Wilt's records, and

922
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: the Rockets win the championship because Scottie Pippen tips the

923
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: ball in our basket. Because I never was that was

924
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 3: my dream. Is a great player.

925
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: I wait to hear some of his mannerisms, and.

926
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would, he would throw temper tantrums. He didn't

927
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: have the heart. Look what Jordan had was a heart the.

928
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: Size of all you guys say, is the.

929
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 3: End of a game, you always knew Jordan would get

930
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: the ball, he'd be triple teamed, and it wouldn't matter.

931
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: He would score, and it just I'm.

932
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 2: Gonna give you one. You're one of the greatest athletes

933
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: to play the game basketball. Who's that Larry Bird? Larry

934
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: Bird wasn't fast and Larry Bird didn't jump high. People

935
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: confuse athleticism. I know a lot of really bad athletes

936
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: could jump out of the gym. They can't catch the ball.

937
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: They have no balance, the sense, they have no Larry Bird.

938
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: Bird had great athleticism, he just wasn't very fast. He

939
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: didn't jump right. Yeah, and sometimes athleticism getting There's some

940
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: great athletes that are golfers or tennis or they may

941
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: not be as powerful, but the hand eye coordination and

942
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: things that I think that's a that's part of being

943
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: an athlete.

944
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: Xavier McDonald told a story about covering Bird at the

945
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: end of the game and the Celtics were, I think

946
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: down a point and McDonald said that there was a

947
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: timeout with like ten twelve seconds left, and as they're

948
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: head of the timeout, Bird said, all right, the end

949
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: of the timeout, they're going to pass me the ball.

950
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: He said, I'm gonna dribble it right here, and he

951
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: points to a spot on the floor. I'm gonna shoot

952
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: from here. I'm gonna score, and we're gonna win the game.

953
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: And he said, they walked off the timeout, they came

954
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 3: back the pass of all to him. He dribbled to

955
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: that spot. Yeah, shot scored and won the game. And

956
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: he said, there's nothing I could.

957
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: Do about it. Yeah, Bird would do that. That's he

958
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: was known. He'd tell him right ahead of time. Right,

959
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: you're talking about shit talker the best.

960
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: That was his reputation.

961
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, it's true. It was really really true.

962
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean the maw man told me. Came alone. Yeah,

963
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: we had, We had dinner together and hung out in Vegas.

964
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: The humble brag. Yeah it was.

965
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: It was a fun day.

966
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: But he was talking about on the Dream Team and

967
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: he said that the best part about that was watching

968
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: the greats.

969
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: Talk trash in each other's face, calling shots with the

970
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: young guys. Remember the game where the coaches left.

971
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: Already you old enough to remember Bruce's and I am.

972
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: I don't know if you are. The McDonald's commercial with

973
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: Bird and Jordan's.

974
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I do remember I've seen where there's these crazy

975
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: shots raftery on the back.

976
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: You know nothing, but it's one of the great for

977
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: those of y'all. We have a lot of young listeners.

978
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 2: Go to Google.

979
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like McDonald's classics.

980
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, but no, he said, the best

981
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: part about that game when the coaches left the room

982
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: and it was like they were calling shots in each

983
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: other's face and there was a lot of betting going on.

984
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: Is he said, seeing Charles Barkley trash talk with Larry

985
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan. You look at that row,

986
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: the guys that were there trash talking, and he said

987
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: it was the ultimate level of trash talking because there

988
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: was no audience, so it was just.

989
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: In your face.

990
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: You weren't worried about anyone recording you. There wasn't cell

991
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 4: phones in.

992
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: It was just pure.

993
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: He said.

994
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: It was the most fans ever had playing a pickup game,

995
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: because you're playing a pickup game with the best players

996
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: in the world, and that had to be pretty fun.

997
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: And he was a partialier.

998
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: So we got another topic that you care deeply about,

999
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: which is Israel. So tell us a little bit about

1000
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: number one. Why does Israel Mattery.

1001
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: I think because I was in sports, and because I was,

1002
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: you know, obviously in college basketball. Again, we're old enough

1003
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: to have seen an educational system growing up. Let's take

1004
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: the state of Indiana or Illinois, different states where you've

1005
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: got inner cities and you've got rural America. Within the

1006
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: same cities, you'd see schools that look like college campuses,

1007
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: and just a few miles down the road they look

1008
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: like prisons. Like there's more security and more g you know,

1009
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: used to go to the screens to get through the school.

1010
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 2: And and this was our educational system. And I was like, man,

1011
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: this is wrong, like like these these these kids have

1012
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: way more of an advantage, and and I just I

1013
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: felt like there was sort of some of the things

1014
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: that doctor doctor King talked about. Silence is complicity. Like

1015
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: just just my my Hebrew name is Mortorcai Morcai. In

1016
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: the story of u Por and Esther, Hayman was going

1017
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: to kill all the Jews in Persia and Morcai, Esther's

1018
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: uncle said, look, if you don't get to the you know,

1019
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: the king Haman's actually gonna this is going to be

1020
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: the Holocaust, and so he spoke into her and so

1021
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: My grandfather told me that he named me Mortorchai because

1022
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: he wanted me to be somebody that would protect and

1023
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: stand up for the weaker. And so whether it be

1024
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: in school, if you want to try to pick on

1025
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: a kid, you kind of had to go through me.

1026
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: That's sort of who That's who I was. So I

1027
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: was always wanting.

1028
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: To and we were a protector, which meant you're the

1029
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 4: perfect coach.

1030
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: Correct. That's as it worked out. American Jewry should be

1031
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: the country's greatest patriots. Jews in America should be this

1032
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: country's greatest patriots. Because where else in the history of

1033
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: the world have the Jewish people had an opportunity to

1034
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: work hard, own land, owned business, do thing, But in

1035
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: this incredible democracy, the United States of America. Nowhere else

1036
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: except maybe Israel. Right now, Jews should be this country's

1037
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: greatest patriots. So I this country saved my grandfather's life.

1038
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: He came from Turnapo in nineteen twenty nine when he

1039
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: was eleven years old. He was the oldest of three

1040
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: younger siblings. He brought my auntie Shirley, my uncle, my

1041
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: uncle Harold was an infant, and my Auntie Claire. And

1042
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: he told me this country saved our family's life.

1043
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: Wow. So, and where did they go to?

1044
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: Went to Boston, was to the Boston area, went with

1045
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: some family, and much of his family couldn't make the trip,

1046
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: didn't make the trip, died in the Holocaust. Wow. And

1047
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: so he loved Israel because he had told me that

1048
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: if Israel had been a state way back then in

1049
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty nine, even though his Zionism, even the Jews

1050
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: were returning to the ancestral home run America was the dream,

1051
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: but it was more expensive to come to America. That

1052
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: maybe if Israel was a state back in twenty nine,

1053
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: they'd have gone to Israel, and more of his family,

1054
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: more of my cousins and my aunts and uncles, would

1055
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: have survived the Holocaust. And so those things kind of obviously,

1056
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, sort of you know, stuck with me. And

1057
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: now now look at where we are today. You know.

1058
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: One of the things Centator, when when people want to

1059
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: have some debate about Israel or who our ally is

1060
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: or how much money were giving, said, I love when

1061
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: I speak about raising someone else. Safe for the Boys

1062
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: and Girls Club. Let's pretend the Boys and Girls Club

1063
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: didn't exist. It's not here. It hasn't been for eighty years,

1064
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: It hasn't been here. How would the boys and girls

1065
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: in this community think of the impact it had. Let's

1066
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: go back to nineteen forty eight. Let's say the Jews lost,

1067
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: Let's say we defeated. Yeah, let's say the Arabs one.

1068
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally different than now, you know, and and it

1069
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 4: is extraordinary.

1070
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: Look, Israel is surrounded by nations that would drive it

1071
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: into the sea. And the only reason Israel exists is

1072
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: because it has beaten them over and over and over

1073
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: again in war after war after war, in many instances,

1074
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: against all odds. You know, I'm reminded of Ian. This

1075
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 3: is kind of a silly analogy, but it's it's one

1076
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: that resonates with me, at least. When I was a kid,

1077
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: there was a book series I read called The Great Brain.

1078
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever read it. It's it's

1079
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: it's a seven book series about a kid growing up

1080
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: in Utah who's a swindler. They're they're three brothers, Swendy Fitzgerald,

1081
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: Tom D. Fitzgerald, and John D.

1082
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald.

1083
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: And the book is written by John D. Fitzgerald and

1084
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 3: his middle brother, Tom is a con artist and it's

1085
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: it's sort of like, you know, Tom Sawyer sort of thing.

1086
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: But he has all these different cons and and they're

1087
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: growing up the about nineteen hundred in Utah, and he says,

1088
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: you know, most of the kids there are Mormon, and

1089
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: he says, we weren't Mormon. And he said, but the

1090
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 3: Mormons are very tolerant. And he said it was a

1091
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: very simple matter of Swen d learning to whip all

1092
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 3: the kids his age, and Tom d learning to whip

1093
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: all the kids his age, and me learning to whip

1094
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 3: all the kids my age. And he has a lie,

1095
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: it's amazing how tolerant kids could be when you can

1096
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: whip them.

1097
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: That's right.

1098
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: And I remember that lot that is probably ten when

1099
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: I read it, and that phrase, it's amazing how tolerant

1100
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: people can be when you can whip them. And I

1101
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 3: think of that with Israel, like you look at the

1102
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: Abraham Cords, you look at peace that broke out. I

1103
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: think under President Trump's leadership, none of that happens except

1104
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: for the fact that Israel can whip them. And they've

1105
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: demonstrated it over and over again as recently as this

1106
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: past year in the Twelve Day War. And by the way,

1107
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: as the three of us are talking, there are millions

1108
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: of people on the streets of Iran risking their lives.

1109
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: And you look at women that are staying end up

1110
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: there and men they are literally far too many are

1111
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: being slaughtered the others. If the revolution doesn't succeed, they

1112
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: can anticipate being rounded up, tortured, murdered, And in many ways,

1113
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 3: I think this is the consequence of losing a war

1114
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: that you know, sometimes in today's political world we think

1115
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: everything is a comms matter. It's all about communications and messaging.

1116
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 3: Now there was a twelve day war and Iran lost.

1117
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: And if you are the Iyatola commane, you are an

1118
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 3: Islamist dictator. Your staying in power is predicated on convincing

1119
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: your citizenry. You are omnipotent, you are unbeatable. There is

1120
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 3: no hope in rising up because I cannot be beaten.

1121
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: And if there's anything worse for an Islamist dictator than

1122
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 3: losing a war, it's losing to Israel. And they didn't

1123
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: just sort of lose, they didn't just slightly lose. They

1124
00:50:59,040 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 3: got their.

1125
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: Ask kicked and shut them as being weak.

1126
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: And we said on this podcast, are the wake of

1127
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: this I said, I believe the regime will fall because

1128
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: they've been shown to be a paper tiger. And and

1129
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: look by prayers are I can think of nothing that

1130
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 3: would make the Middle East safer, that would make America

1131
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: safer than having that theocratic lunatic who chanced death to

1132
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: America no longer in charge. What what are your thoughts in.

1133
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 2: Really, I just agree with that completely. It's about peace

1134
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: through strength. Sometimes that guy, that tough guy, he didn't

1135
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: actually have to fight because and so our greatest deterrent

1136
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: with with China and Russia is our own strength.

1137
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: They're not the best way to avoid a war.

1138
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 2: The best way to avoid a war, which is good

1139
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: for every Yes, and so you know, I look at

1140
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: the countries in the Middle East. I think the UAE

1141
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: figured this out first before anybody else. You know what,

1142
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: We're better off being in some sort of a normal

1143
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 2: relationship with Israel. Yeah, they're strong militarily, they're ethical, they're

1144
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: they're technologically advanced. They want to have a positive relationship.

1145
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: And by the way, before the end of the Trump presidency,

1146
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia will enter the Abrahamic courts. I think they

1147
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 3: were ready to do so if Trump had served a

1148
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: second term consecutively, they would have done so during a

1149
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: second term. I think they're going to now let me

1150
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: ask it because we're going to wrap up soon. But

1151
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: let me ask you. You and I have talked a

1152
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: lot about rising anti semitism in America, and you've been

1153
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: been very vocal and outspoken. You've shown a lot of

1154
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: courage on that topic. But just just why do you

1155
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: think it's it's happening, and and and and and how

1156
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: does it impact you?

1157
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: What?

1158
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: What are your reactions to what's what's happening in this

1159
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 3: country right now?

1160
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: I would like to try to well, it's while it's

1161
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: on the rise. There were three Jewish basketball coaches that

1162
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: were in the Final Four this past year. This is

1163
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: the greatest country in the world. That's pretty cool.

1164
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 3: Wow.

1165
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: In other words, I want to tell my players, look,

1166
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: and this is what always bothered me about President Obama,

1167
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: who in so many ways I admired, is credible orator,

1168
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: and you know, just I was so proud of our

1169
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: country for electing a black man to be our president twice.

1170
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: I just I'm sorry. I'm a basketball coach. I've seen,

1171
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, I've seen, and I was proud of our

1172
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: historic aspect.

1173
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: For a century African Americans were slaves. And so it

1174
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: is you mentioned doctor King, as Ben knows. I have

1175
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: three bus in my office. I have Ronald Reagan, I

1176
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: have Winston Churchill, and I have doctor King, and and

1177
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: and so I agree with doctor King that the arc

1178
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: of justice is long, but the arc of history is long,

1179
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: but it bens towards justice. Yes, and I think that

1180
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 3: is playing out.

1181
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: So I'm just grateful. I recognize the anti semetary, so

1182
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 2: I recognize my players get profiled driving while black and

1183
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: certain things. There are certain challenges I reckon, but I don't

1184
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: want them to use that an excuse for failure. I

1185
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: don't want. And so, yes, there's theology that sometimes wants

1186
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: to divide us. You could either look at the Jews

1187
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: and say, well, you all killed Christ, all killed our God. Okay,

1188
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: well was it not God's planned to send his son

1189
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: die so that you would be brought into covenant with him?

1190
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: Was that his plan? Does it really matter who killed?

1191
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: For me? I look at say wait a second, like

1192
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: Jesus was Jewish his whole life. My wife's two favorite

1193
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 2: Jews in Alabama are me and Jesus and me and Jesus,

1194
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: and so for me, that unites me with my Christian brothers.

1195
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: Twelve Jewish men died horrific deaths bringing Christianity to this world. Absolutely,

1196
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: and so for me, I say to I don't want

1197
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: I don't nobody say thank you. But there are so

1198
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: many Christians that are standing with us, Senator, as you know.

1199
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: And so while we can talk about the rise of

1200
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: anti s, we've got to protect us from those that

1201
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 2: want to kill us. Anti Semitism is not going anywhere.

1202
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: It's not there's going to be the haves and have nots.

1203
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 2: Is there a disproportionate number of American Jews that have

1204
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: wealth in this country compared to the population. The answer

1205
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: is yes, go back eighty years ago and see what

1206
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: those numbers were. They turned the boats around from Europe

1207
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 2: because we came over here poor and uneducated, and we

1208
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: just took advantage of the American dream. And we should

1209
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: not apologize the fact that we've worked so hard and

1210
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: be grateful for the opportunity. So I kind of turn

1211
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: that around a little bit. Okay, I get it, it's

1212
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: on the rise, but you can still be anything you

1213
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: want to be in this country.

1214
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 3: Well, and I'll say two things. We'll wrap up on

1215
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: this one. One of the things I admire most about

1216
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: about the Jewish people in the United States and more broadly,

1217
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: is the incredible success they've achieved. And you're right that

1218
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: virtually all of them in the United States at least

1219
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: started with nothing. And you look at in Judaism, the

1220
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: culture of hard work and discipline and family and education,

1221
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: and that has led to extraordinary financial success.

1222
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 2: Extraordinary.

1223
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: The number of Nobel Prizes, one by Israel, one by

1224
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: Jews in America is extraordinary. And I actually view it

1225
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 3: sort of in the intellectual and the free enterprise capitalist world,

1226
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 3: sort of like the principle I said before about it's

1227
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: amazing how tolerant people could be when you can whip

1228
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 3: them like that's great success. And I think all of

1229
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: us should emulate the attributes of discipline and excellence that

1230
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: lead to that success. A second point, I didn't know

1231
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: what you're going to say when I asked about anti Semitism,

1232
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: but I started chuckling because the week before Christmas, and

1233
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: Ben will remember this, I sent out a tweet and

1234
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 3: I said two thoughts to drive the anti Semits crazy

1235
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 3: in this Christmas season. Number One, our savior Jesus was

1236
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 3: Jewish in the line of David. And number two, Jews

1237
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: didn't killed Jesus. I did you did? He died for

1238
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 3: our sins. That's what the New Testament said, It is

1239
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: that he willingly took the cross to die for our sins.

1240
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 3: And so the the sort of anti semis to say

1241
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: Jews killed Jesus, well, actually it was Romans who drove

1242
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: the nails in. Is anyone mad at the Italians, like,

1243
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: that's just stupid, it's bad theology, it's it's big a tree.

1244
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: And I will admit I was kind of happy with

1245
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: that tweet because it really did drive.

1246
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: One of the biggest things concerned. I know, we got

1247
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: to wrap up young Christians today, the podcasters, the people

1248
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: that are preaching this replacement theology butter garbage the love

1249
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: of country and the love of Christ only you're driving

1250
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,479
Speaker 2: those two things hard at young people. And my point

1251
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: would be this God does not break come it. He's

1252
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: not going to break covenant with the Christians. He did

1253
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: not break covenant with the Jews. He just doesn't go

1254
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: against what he says he will do. He's not a liar.

1255
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: And so the people that want to believe that well, Jews,

1256
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: you didn't accept Jesus and musay, look, we'll figure out

1257
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: when we get there. But for the grace of God. Okay,

1258
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: but for his grace, who knows you know exactly what

1259
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: is going to happen. So I'm confident. As a coach,

1260
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to bring people together and bring teams

1261
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: together so I can see all the things that separate us.

1262
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 2: But instead I look to the things that united said.

1263
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: It's amazing the things that we can do together. If

1264
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: you think of your life's great accomplishments, you accomplish it

1265
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: with the people that you cared most about. And that's

1266
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: who That's who the Jewish people are. And I would

1267
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 2: hope that if you needed something, there's there's there's a

1268
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: hospital someplace in Dallas that's going under, and but for

1269
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: a gift from somebody, there'd be somebody that you might

1270
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: call that might be Jewish. Knowing that there are people

1271
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: that are willing to give and willing to share, and

1272
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: we just got to keep it. I told my Jewish

1273
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: fet look, we got to you know, I don't know

1274
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: why Gods said we're the chosen people, because my grandma

1275
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: said to chosen people. Maybe you should have chosen somebody else.

1276
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: It's not so easy, so easy, but but there's a responsibility,

1277
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: the responsibility being a Christian responsibility and jew I gotta

1278
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: walk it every single day. And I'm okay with him.

1279
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: I'm okay about to do the best I possibly can.

1280
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: All right, final question on a lighter note, and loop

1281
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: back Sports. Got the National Championship football game coming up here?

1282
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: You picking who's gonna win and what's the final score

1283
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: going to be?

1284
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go with Indiana. I gotta go. I'm

1285
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 2: gonna go with Nia.

1286
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: So good.

1287
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the Hoosiers. I coached in Evansville,

1288
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 2: Indiana for nine years. It's just an amazing story. I

1289
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: like Crystal Ball a lot, though. I like what he's

1290
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: done for Miami. I got more friends in Miami than

1291
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: I do in Indiana. But I'm going to.

1292
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: Make you pick.

1293
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: You know yet, twenty eight twenty four Indiana twenty eight close.

1294
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 2: I think we'll be close.

1295
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: Guiding.

1296
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going thirty eight to ten. Wow. Yeah, I

1297
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a blowout. I think I think

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Speaker 2: Miami's just gonna get smoked.

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Speaker 3: But by the way, I want to make a request

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Speaker 3: to all our Verdict listeners. So I had a wager

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Speaker 3: yesterday on the Texan Steelers game. Yeah, I had a

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Speaker 3: wager with John Fetterman and Dave McCormick. I proposed the

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Speaker 3: wager I proposed, and this is a sports wager I

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Speaker 3: make with some frequency, which is the loser presents. Like

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Speaker 3: what I offered up was Texas barbecue, Bluebell ice cream

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Speaker 3: and Shiner Bock beer, and you present it in the

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Speaker 3: Winter's jersey and Fetterman and Dave's a really good friend

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Speaker 3: and John's become a good friend. Fetterman wanted to ratchet

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Speaker 3: it up.

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Speaker 2: What do you say?

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Speaker 3: So he said, no, no, no, I want worse, he said.

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Speaker 3: He said, when you lose.

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Speaker 2: I like it right there.

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Speaker 3: He said, you will walk onto the Senate floor And

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Speaker 3: he went and bought wearing a Steeler's beanie and this

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Speaker 3: giant piece of bling that says Steelers that's I don't

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Speaker 3: know about. Yeah, ten inches wide, this giant like an

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Speaker 3: old chain. Walk onto the Senate floor and cast a boat. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can bring the barbecue stuff if you gotta walk on. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And he tweeted out a picture of the horrible beanie

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Speaker 3: and the Steelers bling, and and and so I will

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Speaker 3: say we won thirty to six.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a beat down.

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Speaker 3: It was. And by the way, I grew up as

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Speaker 3: a Houston fan. There's no team on Earth like the

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Speaker 3: Steelers that caused Houston fans to twitch because in the

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Speaker 3: seventies we had the greatest team we ever had, the Oilers.

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Speaker 3: We had Earl Campbell, and we ran in to one

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Speaker 3: of the greatest teams to ever play in this seventy

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Speaker 3: nine and eighty ASC Championship rushing and so last night

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Speaker 3: was revenge.

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Speaker 4: So does he have to wear like a Houston beanie?

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Speaker 3: So my question, and this is this is actually a

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Speaker 3: request to all our social media followers.

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Speaker 2: Your vote matters.

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Speaker 3: Folks post on on X what horribly tacky Texans bling

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Speaker 3: do we have? I should make Fetterman and McCormick wear

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Speaker 3: they've already said they're gonna wear it. But but.

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Speaker 1: Rapper, I just want him to look like a rapper

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Speaker 1: because he's kind of you know, he can get free.

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Speaker 3: F given what they picked, I gotta be be a

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Speaker 3: little over the top.

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Speaker 2: I'd make Feeder wmen wear a suit because put him

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Speaker 2: with a hoodie something different.

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Speaker 3: I gave them both grief today and they both said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll wear it. We'll wear it, Will Will Pennsylvania, will

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Speaker 3: otter it and and so so I'm looking forward to collecting.

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Speaker 2: We need more senators like John Fetterman. You need more America.

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Speaker 1: He's courageous and the biggest surprise and sent his party

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Speaker 1: hates him for it, they do. Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: That's fun, don't forget. You can grab the show Monday,

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Speaker 1: Wednesday Friday the subscribe auto download button as well and

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Speaker 1: you're there, if you want to watch it on Facebook

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Speaker 1: and the Sena and I will see you back here

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Speaker 1: in a couple of days.