Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky
Speaker 1: and juky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Hey, I'm go said Nyron's dress. Please,
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me rah Oh, I'm in a great mood.
Speaker 1: I got to talk to John E. L. Tenny once again.
Speaker 1: He was on about a year ago. It was February
Speaker 1: eighteenth of twenty twenty one, to be exact. Go back
Speaker 1: and listen if you haven't heard it. John E. L.
Speaker 1: Tenney is a world renowned paranormal investigator, researcher, lecturer. Oh
Speaker 1: the lectures are legendary. This man knows a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff about a lot of stuff, and he's a deep thinker.
Speaker 1: He really makes you sit there and go oh wow,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I didn't even know that was possible. And
Speaker 1: he's weird and it gets weird. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: a two parter. Next week it gets even weirder. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna start you off with some some some greade,
Speaker 1: a weird on this first part as well. Don't you
Speaker 1: even worry. I mean, we're not even we're not even
Speaker 1: just doing ghosts. We're getting We're going We're going all
Speaker 1: the way to elves the existence of elves, a creature
Speaker 1: that has been spotted in Michigan that floats around and Okay,
Speaker 1: you'll see what I'm talking about. Before we get to that,
Speaker 1: I wanted to read a story. I got a story
Speaker 1: in a five star review on Apple Podcasts, which I love.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And anybody that has a good
Speaker 1: story to share put it in a five star review,
Speaker 1: I'd love to read it. This one comes all the
Speaker 1: way from Australia. Thank you so much. I don't know
Speaker 1: your name, but this was left by somebody named hnsa
Speaker 1: Henosa eighty five. Thank you. I know it s eighty five.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm saying that right. Anyway. Anyway, anyway, here's
Speaker 1: the story. Okay, you saw me at Phenomena con Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Ahead the time of my life at that.
Speaker 1: They're right. I've had some spooky experiences since living here
Speaker 1: in Australia. I can't share the exact location because of
Speaker 1: business privacy, but I have had three very strange experiences
Speaker 1: at my place of work. My first experience takes place
Speaker 1: just as I had arrived to work that morning in
Speaker 1: our little kitchen area, fixing myself a cup of tea
Speaker 1: when my coworker walks by me. I see her, I
Speaker 1: know who she is. I greet her, no response. She
Speaker 1: opens the office door and walks out. Okay, rude. I
Speaker 1: think that she has either not heard me or she's
Speaker 1: having a bad morning. I ask one of my other
Speaker 1: coworkers what that might have been about. Turns out the
Speaker 1: coworker I saw called in and is working from home.
Speaker 1: The drive up the mountain range takes about fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes, depending on traffic. My second experience takes
Speaker 1: place just after my partner drops me off at the
Speaker 1: local grocery store. I'm making my way back to the
Speaker 1: office when I see another coworker sitting in her car
Speaker 1: talking on her cellphone. I know who she is. I
Speaker 1: see her face, I know what her car looks like.
Speaker 1: No mistake. She looks up, smiles and waves at me.
Speaker 1: I smile and wave back. I walk into the office,
Speaker 1: make my way into the main room, and there my
Speaker 1: coworker is sitting at her desk having a coffee. The
Speaker 1: third time that this happens, I am not alone in
Speaker 1: my experience. My coworker and I are heading back inside
Speaker 1: the office when we see our other coworker's wife walking
Speaker 1: towards us. She is wearing a white dress with pink
Speaker 1: floral patterns. I open the door and hold it for her,
Speaker 1: and my coworker and I greet her. We both see her,
Speaker 1: we both know who she is. She thanks us and
Speaker 1: makes her way down the walk and up the hill.
Speaker 1: The office only has one entrance, and we're on the
Speaker 1: second floor. We both make our way back into the
Speaker 1: main room and there she is standing with her husband.
Speaker 1: Same woman, same white dress, and same pink floral patterns.
Speaker 1: We both look at each other. Her husband said, she's
Speaker 1: been there with him for the past twenty minutes. What
Speaker 1: is going on here? This this is a weird story
Speaker 1: in the best possible way. I mean, this is a
Speaker 1: word that we're going to be using a lot on
Speaker 1: this week's episode. I love that word. Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: that is some odd stuff. And it's all it's not
Speaker 1: even like your coworkers playing tricks on you or anything.
Speaker 1: It seems what is that? I know, who would know,
Speaker 1: Johnny al Tenney, that's who would know. You know. We
Speaker 1: do kind of get into like astral projection, the ghosts,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the ghost of the living kind
Speaker 1: of a thing. I wonder if that could be, that
Speaker 1: could be a part of it. It seems like it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like you're seeing ghosts of people
Speaker 1: that are alive still well, thank you for sending me that,
Speaker 1: and also, anyone listening, if you want to be on
Speaker 1: a listener episode and you want to chat with me,
Speaker 1: please send me in email at ghosted by ros at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com with the subject line listener episode, with
Speaker 1: some brief bullet points of the kinds of stories you have,
Speaker 1: and then hopefully we can record that soon. We have
Speaker 1: actually been recording in studio the past few weeks, which
Speaker 1: is very exciting because I have been doing this podcast
Speaker 1: from my couch, gotten very comfortable in my pajamas on zoom.
Speaker 1: But now I'm getting to do it in studio, sometimes
Speaker 1: on Zoom because some people still aren't able to come in.
Speaker 1: But that's what we've been doing. I talked to Johnny
Speaker 1: el Tenney on Zoom from the studio and so you
Speaker 1: might see a clip floating around social media, maybe the
Speaker 1: Facebook group ghosted by Roz Drezvalles is what it's called.
Speaker 1: There will be clips, and hopefully eventually, very soon, very
Speaker 1: very soon, we'll be able to release episodes as full
Speaker 1: video versions. That's the goal. That is the goal what
Speaker 1: we're hoping for. But it takes a lot of moving
Speaker 1: parts and the people at Starburns Audio are killing it
Speaker 1: making this dream come true. So look out for that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into this. There is no bonus clip on
Speaker 1: Patreon this week. I will do a bonus episode. It'll
Speaker 1: come out sometime Thursday, and we'll be talking about some weird,
Speaker 1: fun stuff. I've been having a great time doing my
Speaker 1: new little Patreon podcast where I look up spooky and
Speaker 1: mysterious things. Find it on patreon dot com slash rosdres
Speaker 1: for less on my second tier. Okay, here we go,
Speaker 1: my first part of my conversation with John E. L.
Speaker 1: Tenny on with the show Oh my God, you guys.
Speaker 1: I am joined by a return guest, a favorite who
Speaker 1: was on the show a little over a year ago,
Speaker 1: John E. L. Tanny, Hello, how are you fantastic?
Speaker 2: How are you doing so good?
Speaker 1: You're in Michigan, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, just outside of Detroit. I can't believe it's been
Speaker 2: a year since I was on.
Speaker 1: I know I've been. I get intimidated about asking people
Speaker 1: to come back on because I just it's such a
Speaker 1: favor to come out and share your brain. I'm you
Speaker 1: know I have said before that I'm I have a
Speaker 1: brain crush on you. I think your brain is incredible
Speaker 1: and I wish that I had your brain.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you. Someday when I die, I will
Speaker 2: I can will it to you after I die.
Speaker 1: Oh please, either either as a decoration and a jar
Speaker 1: or just put it in my head. I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: where what is this? This is not where I was
Speaker 1: hoping this would go. But no, you're so wise. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've been You've been in the biz for how long?
Speaker 1: Over thirty years something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always take my like, when I say how long
Speaker 2: I've done this, I always judge it by my first
Speaker 2: like paid lecture, which was in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety, good year. And what was your first lecture on.
Speaker 2: The JFK assassination?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so like conspiracy theory type stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my mentors when I was seventeen was
Speaker 2: a Kennedy assassinologist, so he not only studied the Kennedy assassination,
Speaker 2: but political assassinations of the nineteen sixties and seventies. So RFK,
Speaker 2: MLK Malcolm X, the Black Panther Party, Kent State University,
Speaker 2: and JFK, and he mentored me. I helped him with
Speaker 2: his lectures, and then eventually I felt that I was
Speaker 2: informed enough at the time crazy to think that now
Speaker 2: because I wasn't to do a lecture and did a
Speaker 2: lecture on the Kennedy assassination.
Speaker 1: Fake it till you make it right? Yeah, Well, I
Speaker 1: mean there's just I've heard your lectures, I've I follow you,
Speaker 1: and I'm always you blow my mind last time you
Speaker 1: did it when you were on here, and so when
Speaker 1: I talk to someone like you, it's it's not hard
Speaker 1: to do, but it's like where do we start? You know,
Speaker 1: It's like what can we get into? Because there's just
Speaker 1: you know so much about so many different things. So
Speaker 1: is there is there anything that you've been thinking about
Speaker 1: paranormally lately?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the reality is is that's kind of
Speaker 2: my job is for as strange as that sounds, should
Speaker 2: just think every day about this experience that we're having
Speaker 2: that seems to be a shared reality with each other
Speaker 2: that absolutely no one knows anything about, like none of
Speaker 2: it makes any sense, and yet we've made all these
Speaker 2: determiners about it, and gravity is always going to be
Speaker 2: this way, the speed of light is always going to
Speaker 2: be this way. Like, but no one really like we're
Speaker 2: all just guessing mm hmmm. And so I mean I
Speaker 2: do that every single day. I have been working for
Speaker 2: the past couple of years. The pandemic put a little
Speaker 2: bit of a strain on it because it was talking
Speaker 2: to people in person. But I was studying all of
Speaker 2: these weird I don't call them creatures, I call them
Speaker 2: form kanats. They got like these weird strange things that
Speaker 2: people were seeing all over Michigan in twenty eighteen and
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. At the end of twenty and at the
Speaker 2: beginning of twenty twenty, like giant, like multiple people saw
Speaker 2: a three foot by three foot box floating through the
Speaker 2: air that seemed to be covered in like tinsel or
Speaker 2: shiny hair and right, and it passed through like trees
Speaker 2: and cars and then eventually vanished. And that's just one
Speaker 2: of the weird creature formanat things that was spotted in
Speaker 2: this like two year span of time.
Speaker 1: So what are people? What is it?
Speaker 2: I have no idea, But for some reason, for two years,
Speaker 2: people were seeing I mean everything from a kind of
Speaker 2: humanoid shape that had legs, but its torso was three arms,
Speaker 2: but it had what looked like an aquarium on its
Speaker 2: head where its head should be walking around through a
Speaker 2: neighborhood at night.
Speaker 1: And these are credible sources.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, and the majority because I do a lot
Speaker 2: of boots on the ground investigating and knocking on doors,
Speaker 2: which is the pretty much the hardest thing to do
Speaker 2: as a researcher is to like go through a neighborhood
Speaker 2: and cold call every door and be like, have you
Speaker 2: seen something weird in this neighborhood lately? Like and not
Speaker 2: free people out, and you know, get attacked by homeowners.
Speaker 2: But most of these people who saw this stuff aren't
Speaker 2: associated with the other people who saw it. So like
Speaker 2: with the Giant's floating square box, I got one report
Speaker 2: of it, I went to the neighborhood, I started door knocking,
Speaker 2: and then found the next witness of it two blocks away,
Speaker 2: who hadn't you know, wasn't familiar with the person who
Speaker 2: sent the original rapport.
Speaker 1: What is that thing?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 1: And it just stopped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they seemed to just slowly fade out. There was
Speaker 2: another one that was really strange too, Uh, well, all
Speaker 2: of them are super strange. But one of them was
Speaker 2: like a maybe two foot black rectangle that had legs
Speaker 2: underneath it, that was running through a neighborhood and it
Speaker 2: was described as either having led lights or Christmas lights
Speaker 2: on top of it, and it ran up the sides
Speaker 2: of fences, across roofs, and like ran through people's backyards.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. I mean, it got away. That's pretty great
Speaker 1: it did.
Speaker 2: So that's what I've been thinking about lately.
Speaker 1: I keep thinking, as you're talking about this, I keep
Speaker 1: thinking about I was just talking about my I used
Speaker 1: to do drag all the time, and I have this
Speaker 1: like big closet of drag stuff and one of my
Speaker 1: signature looks was like to look like a lollipop, like
Speaker 1: I love, like big on the top, with like skinny legs,
Speaker 1: And like I'm wondering, could it have been? Could it
Speaker 1: have been a runaway Michigan drag queen? And it is
Speaker 1: very possible silver hair, I've seen it.
Speaker 2: Very possible, But the floating part, the floating part, maybe
Speaker 2: not unless it's the ghost of a drag queen.
Speaker 1: Now have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there are reports I have there
Speaker 2: absolutely have to be really quickly on that point. I
Speaker 2: was just thinking. So at one of my lectures, one
Speaker 2: of the things that I talk about sometimes because I
Speaker 2: always talk about like the weirdest experiences I've ever had.
Speaker 2: And so I went into this case once to investigate
Speaker 2: this house kind of cold. I didn't really know anything
Speaker 2: about it. A friend asked me to do it, and
Speaker 2: I'm walking through the house and it was all filled
Speaker 2: with pictures of Elvis and Elvis clothing everywhere, and I
Speaker 2: did an EVP session. I didn't get anything. And then
Speaker 2: as I always leaving, I still had my recorder running,
Speaker 2: and right before I left, kind of jokingly, I said,
Speaker 2: John Tenny has left the building, right, it's just a
Speaker 2: tribute to Elvis. So I got home and I listened
Speaker 2: to my recording. There was no ghost sleeve voices except
Speaker 2: at the end when I said John Tanni has left
Speaker 2: the building. This voice came across and said thank you
Speaker 2: very much in a really deep Elvis voice. So I
Speaker 2: called my friend who got me the location, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I think I talked to Elvis's ghost, and
Speaker 2: he started laughing and said, you didn't talk to Elvis's ghost.
Speaker 2: That home was owned by an Elvis impersonator. You were
Speaker 2: probably talking to him, so in relation to what we
Speaker 2: were just talking about, if we do, if something of
Speaker 2: us does persist, I am sure that there are drag
Speaker 2: queen ghosts somewhere.
Speaker 1: Okay, you just touched on one of my favorite topics
Speaker 1: that is not paranormal. But I'm obsessed with celebrity impersonators.
Speaker 1: And if you google celebrity impersonator websites, you can find
Speaker 1: big database websites of yeah we got Elvis, Yeah we
Speaker 1: got Marilyn. But then you keep going down, it's like
Speaker 1: Rosie O'Donnell, like Danny DeVito, like just like Barry gets
Speaker 1: more and more random as you go down, and it's
Speaker 1: just like people that look exactly like them. And I've
Speaker 1: thought before bringing it back to the paranormal. I have
Speaker 1: thought before they say, oh, Marilyn Monroe or Elvis, Oh
Speaker 1: they haunt fifteen different places around town, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: could it be an impersonator?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: When we see people in seventeen hundreds clothing, could it
Speaker 1: be a cosplayer?
Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely. I mean that's one of those things. I've
Speaker 2: said this before. When I do investigations at Gettysburg people
Speaker 2: always say, they say civil war soldiers, but there are
Speaker 2: Civil War reenactors there all the time who love going there,
Speaker 2: They love being there, they love being in uniform. Maybe
Speaker 2: we're seeing civil war reenactor ghosts.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is such a funny thought. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I usually do this thing towards the end of my
Speaker 1: conversations with people where I just kind of list off
Speaker 1: a bunch of paranormal phenomenon and they tell me a
Speaker 1: thing or two that may if they believe in it,
Speaker 1: if they have a story, whatever. I was thinking, maybe
Speaker 1: I could do that with you, and it would just
Speaker 1: be more extensive, giving the fact that you know so
Speaker 1: much about all this stuff. So I just wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about just random paranormal stuff. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be a short, little, quick little segment either. If it
Speaker 1: leads us, let's just you know, we'll see where it
Speaker 1: leads us. Zombies. Let's do zombies, because I feel like
Speaker 1: you got something about zombies for me.
Speaker 2: Yes. So years ago I became friends with a family
Speaker 2: of magic practitioners here in Detroit, and I became very
Speaker 2: good friends with them and started going over their home
Speaker 2: and we talk all about magic and their family's history
Speaker 2: with magic, and over the course of the time that
Speaker 2: I spent with them, they every now and then they
Speaker 2: drank a lot, and they would get a little raucous,
Speaker 2: but they would laugh and make jokes about one of
Speaker 2: the ants decease husbands, who they were still collecting his
Speaker 2: insurance money, his death money, and laughing about him and
Speaker 2: their family. They even had a picture of him in
Speaker 2: the coffin that they would like laugh about and toast.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was weird, but you know, people
Speaker 2: have different family practices, Like I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: And so the matriarch of the family one day kind
Speaker 2: of gave me this old silver coin and she told
Speaker 2: me this legend about like if anybody owns your silver coin,
Speaker 2: they own you, and don't ever lose it and keep
Speaker 2: it in a safe place. And so I did, and
Speaker 2: maybe a month later her and I got really drunk together,
Speaker 2: older woman, I mean, I think at the time she
Speaker 2: was probably late seventies, early eighties, and she said to me,
Speaker 2: do you want to see Lincoln who was the deceased husband.
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, no, Like they have his body somewhere,
Speaker 2: like he's propped up in a basement somewhere like this
Speaker 2: has gone crazy, and so I said, you know, he's dead,
Speaker 2: and she was like, oh, he's dead, but he's not dead.
Speaker 2: And so I drove her to It was late at night.
Speaker 2: This is probably ten thirty eleven o'clock at night. She
Speaker 2: had me drive to a local Detroit school and we
Speaker 2: went up to the back door, knocked, and a custodian
Speaker 2: came and let us in, and she asked to see
Speaker 2: this gentleman. And the guy that I had thought had
Speaker 2: been deceased for so long comes kind of shambling toward us,
Speaker 2: slack jawed, glassy eyed, pushing a broom, nonverbal. She commanded
Speaker 2: him to kind of sit down. He sat down in
Speaker 2: a folding chair across from us. She berated him for
Speaker 2: like fifteen minutes, and next then like we got up
Speaker 2: and left, and as I was driving her back home,
Speaker 2: I was like, this guy is a zombie. He's zombified.
Speaker 2: They did something to him. They faked his death, got
Speaker 2: his insurance money, and then put him to work and
Speaker 2: a reaping the benefits of like his work. He's obviously
Speaker 2: not dead, but they did something to him to at
Speaker 2: least brain damage him to a massive extent. And as
Speaker 2: we were driving home. She said to me, you know
Speaker 2: I have Lincoln's coin, that Gentleman's coin. She goes, do
Speaker 2: you still have your coin? Don't you? And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I cannot deal with this family anymore, like if they
Speaker 2: are practicing magic to a different degree, like literally probably
Speaker 2: drugging someone and brain damaging them. Like, I can't be
Speaker 2: with this family moore. So I kind of met a
Speaker 2: real zombie.
Speaker 1: Wait aute seconds, So if somebody, if they got a
Speaker 1: hold of your coin, could that happen to you? Is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying, that's what she was implying. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: this story started out fun a seventy year old drunken witch.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this sounds like a blast.
Speaker 2: Most seventy year old drunkend, which is are a blast
Speaker 2: to hang on with. This just got real, like real
Speaker 2: deep and real dark and not nice very quickly. And
Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, I can't hang out with
Speaker 2: this family anymore if this is what they're capable of.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, everything they had told me
Speaker 2: about him, he had been abusive toward his wife and
Speaker 2: like physically mentally emotionally abusive toward her, and they had
Speaker 2: just had enough of him, and so he had to
Speaker 2: quote unquote go and they made him gone.
Speaker 1: So he was a zombie in the sense that he
Speaker 1: was Yeah, his brain was damaged or whatever, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't die and come back to life. No, no,
Speaker 1: not necessarily, but still, I mean that's probably as close
Speaker 1: to a zombie as you can get. I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think he ate? What do you think did
Speaker 1: they take care of him like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so everything that I kind of learned that night.
Speaker 2: He had an efficiency apartment that they paid for. He
Speaker 2: was driven to and from work. There was like a
Speaker 2: meals on wheels that delivered meals to him. But that
Speaker 2: was his whole life from that point forward. And they
Speaker 2: just got his insurance money and collected his Social Security
Speaker 2: checks and his payment checks from working at the school,
Speaker 2: and they were just reaping all the rewards from, you know,
Speaker 2: the damage he had done to the family. They were like,
Speaker 2: he owed this to us, and so now he's paying
Speaker 2: us back.
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm also thinking about a story that I bring
Speaker 1: up often on this podcast because it is still definitely
Speaker 1: one of the It was definitely the first story I
Speaker 1: heard on this podcast that rocked my world. It's from
Speaker 1: my friend Gunner. Basically, he met some people that were,
Speaker 1: it seems dabbling in some kind of magic or I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, but they got in his dreams. Do you
Speaker 1: know much about this?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I've gone back and forth with people
Speaker 2: over dream encounters and dream incursions and people who can
Speaker 2: get into other people's dreams.
Speaker 1: I don't do that because it seemed like it was
Speaker 1: like bad intent, Like it didn't seem like it was
Speaker 1: like it wasn't a fun thing. It was like they
Speaker 1: got in his dreams and who knows what they were
Speaker 1: trying to do.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like a psychic attack.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this concept, which I've explored a bit, but
Speaker 1: it's from what I've read and what people have told me.
Speaker 1: It's like a thing you can learn to do, and
Speaker 1: you can meditate and enter someone's dream. I mean, is
Speaker 1: that is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's along the lines of you know, astra projection,
Speaker 2: out of body experiences, like you can train yourself even
Speaker 2: something like lucid dreaming, like you can train your mind
Speaker 2: allegedly to do these types of things. I think it's
Speaker 2: really interesting in my case. So I think you know
Speaker 2: about this, but I talk about having like a force
Speaker 2: field over my house that keeps all the evil, nasty
Speaker 2: ghosties and things away from me. But my force field
Speaker 2: is so strong that if I astral project, I usually
Speaker 2: just end up in my kitchen or my family room,
Speaker 2: like I can't even get out of my force field.
Speaker 2: So it's really boring. But what's interesting is that when
Speaker 2: I travel to do lectures and I'm at hotels, then
Speaker 2: people on Twitter and Instagram like all like my friends
Speaker 2: will say like, oh, you were in my dreams last night,
Speaker 2: And I don't remember being in their dreams. But I
Speaker 2: feel like my dream self, or my astral self or
Speaker 2: my psychic self, once it's outside of the force field,
Speaker 2: goes and visits people.
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel like we did talk a bit about
Speaker 1: this last time. But with astral projection, how much can
Speaker 1: you get done? Like can your astro body do?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's more at least for me
Speaker 2: if I ever try to astro project, and when I
Speaker 2: do it, it's more for fun and sometimes information retrieval, so
Speaker 2: even before sometimes it's just a form of meditation too.
Speaker 2: So right before this show, I took a minute to
Speaker 2: kind of ground myself and I went outside outside my forest, field.
Speaker 2: I went outside on my back doack and closed my
Speaker 2: eyes and I just imagined myself walking through my neighborhood,
Speaker 2: which is kind of how I trained myself to astro project.
Speaker 2: And what I'll do is I will get to a
Speaker 2: point where there's a house or a part of the
Speaker 2: neighborhood I've never really looked at before, and then I'll
Speaker 2: walk up the driveway and like peek over the fence
Speaker 2: and look in the backyard. And so after we're done
Speaker 2: talking now because I did that before we started talking,
Speaker 2: I will go now after we're done and look over
Speaker 2: the fence in real life and see if I really
Speaker 2: did see into the backyard.
Speaker 1: Whoa see. My question is always just like if I
Speaker 1: could sleep and do my laundry or something at the
Speaker 1: same time, or you know, during COVID, I would talk about,
Speaker 1: like why don't we all just astro project and we
Speaker 1: can go hang out like our astrobodies can't get COVID.
Speaker 1: So but that's why I'm always wondering, like how much
Speaker 1: can you achieve?
Speaker 2: Like physically, I don't think you can achieve much physically,
Speaker 2: But what you were talking about, So in the nineteen
Speaker 2: seventies when the United States government was starting to work
Speaker 2: with remote viewing and astra projection, and can we use
Speaker 2: it to spy on other countries? The US had a
Speaker 2: team of psychic spies, right, and so they would allegedly
Speaker 2: astro project and they would go over other countries and
Speaker 2: they would try and look in secret military bases. Well,
Speaker 2: of course, other countries knew we were doing it, so
Speaker 2: they had their own team of psychic spies. And for
Speaker 2: the first month or so, all of the countries that
Speaker 2: were doing it were actually receiving intel that seemed pretty legitimate,
Speaker 2: like these psychic spies were actually gaining actionable data. But
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it stopped. And if you
Speaker 2: look at a lot of the reports and you talk
Speaker 2: to the people who were in those groups, they start
Speaker 2: to talk about after a while, they started meeting each
Speaker 2: other in astral form while they were psychically projecting, and
Speaker 2: they were like, this is ridiculous that we're using this
Speaker 2: to spy on each other, to create war and incursions
Speaker 2: on each other. And so they made a deal in
Speaker 2: astral space to stop spying on each other, and then
Speaker 2: the programs fell apart.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, oh my god, because yeah, the thought of
Speaker 1: like psychic wars like it's such an interesting thing. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: now let's get into psychics. Let's talk about psychics. What
Speaker 1: what are your overall thoughts about psychics?
Speaker 2: Just in general, I think that everyone's psychic. Really, yes,
Speaker 2: I think that everyone's psychic. I think that people can
Speaker 2: learn better to use their natural innate psychic abilities. I
Speaker 2: think that some people are very good at faking how
Speaker 2: good their psychic abilities are, and then they scare themselves
Speaker 2: when they actually do something really psychic. And then I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of people who just fake psychic
Speaker 2: abilities even though they naturally have them. Anyway, they're just
Speaker 2: you know, baking that they're greater than they are.
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's like singing, where it's like
Speaker 1: most people can technically, like they can make that noise
Speaker 1: out of their vocal chords, but some people are like
Speaker 1: just born amazing at it. Some people have to work
Speaker 1: on it. Some people can use auto tune and fool
Speaker 1: you into believing that they can do it better than
Speaker 1: they can, Like I just and I think that sometimes they,
Speaker 1: like even someone that's really good at it can have
Speaker 1: an off day. I'm actually just creating this in my
Speaker 1: head right now as I'm speaking, But that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of how I think of it, because I do. I
Speaker 1: do also think that everybody has psychic ability, but I
Speaker 1: always talk about like, I don't think there's any psychic
Speaker 1: that is always right one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2: No, I do think there is. I don't think so either.
Speaker 2: I mean I have over the past thirty plus years,
Speaker 2: I've literally met thousands of people who've said they were psychic,
Speaker 2: and I have maybe I mean, out of those thousands,
Speaker 2: I have probably met a dozen that are really great
Speaker 2: at what they do and hit a lot of the times,
Speaker 2: and they almost all hate being psychic in that way.
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: So one of my friends, like is probably one of
Speaker 2: the most psychic people. I won't say his name because
Speaker 2: he's he hates being psychic and he hates people calling
Speaker 2: him out for it. But it drains him. It's emotionally
Speaker 2: draining to him, it's psychologically draining to him. He doesn't
Speaker 2: do readings online, doesn't promote himself as a psychic. I
Speaker 2: asked him one time to do psychic readings at a
Speaker 2: lecture of mine. I said, listen, just give it. Anybody
Speaker 2: that wants a reading, a free reading I'll pay you,
Speaker 2: you know, fifty bucks a person, as long or short
Speaker 2: as you want it to be, just do it. So
Speaker 2: I did my lecture and then afterwards I was like,
Speaker 2: how many did you do? And he was like, I
Speaker 2: did half a one. Don't pay me. And I was like,
Speaker 2: you did half of one. He was like, I did
Speaker 2: half a one. It was super draining. I don't care
Speaker 2: about the money. I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 2: And then he never did another one of my events
Speaker 2: ever again. I've never seen him promote himself on the
Speaker 2: line as a psychic. It's like overwhelming to really be psychic.
Speaker 1: I feel like, right, It's that's why I think too
Speaker 1: so some times when people choose to do it for
Speaker 1: a living, it's like it has to be a mix
Speaker 1: of a certain type of person that would that would
Speaker 1: want to use those abilities for money and dedicate their
Speaker 1: life to it, and I think they should be paid.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but it's like a very interesting
Speaker 1: mix of things that would have to involve not just
Speaker 1: their psychic abilities. I guess that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, but I think, I like I
Speaker 2: was saying, like, I think actually that it's mostly inborn.
Speaker 2: So like there has been legitimate research into something as
Speaker 2: simple as do people know if they're being stared at? Right?
Speaker 2: So the do you know when you're sitting at the
Speaker 2: movie theater or that someone is staring at the back
Speaker 2: of your head, because there's no way you should know,
Speaker 2: But most of the time you do know. You can
Speaker 2: be on a bus or in a movie theater and
Speaker 2: you turn around and someone's looking at the back of
Speaker 2: your head, and that's a psychic power, right. But I
Speaker 2: think that that's probably an evolved process through predator and prey. Right, So,
Speaker 2: animals that know when they're being looked at would tend
Speaker 2: to live longer because they wouldn't get grabbed by the
Speaker 2: thing that swooped out of the sky to grab them,
Speaker 2: or the fox or the wolf or whatever was going
Speaker 2: to eat them. And so through that evolved process, and
Speaker 2: since we evolved from those creatures, we have that ability
Speaker 2: still to at least in that one component part, No,
Speaker 2: when we're being looked at, Well, this opens up a
Speaker 2: door to all of those feelings that we have when
Speaker 2: you walk into a party or a bar, or a
Speaker 2: restaurant or someone's house for the first time. No language
Speaker 2: immediately you walk in the door and you're like, this
Speaker 2: place sucks, like you don't even know why, but all
Speaker 2: of your body indicators, all your psychic indicators, are like
Speaker 2: this place sucks. Or you meet someone for the first time,
Speaker 2: you're like, we're going to be best friends forever, and
Speaker 2: you just know it. I think those are our psychic abilities,
Speaker 2: and I think you can train yourself to heighten them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what some people call intuition. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm really into that. I'm really into listening to that.
Speaker 1: But hold up, I was thinking, going back to your
Speaker 1: friend that is a psychic that doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: a psychic, is there anything you can do about that?
Speaker 1: How do you mean who do you go to? Do
Speaker 1: you like? Is there.
Speaker 2: I don't like going to psychics?
Speaker 1: No? No, But I'm saying, if you are a psychic,
Speaker 1: that is like I hate that I'm an incredible psychic.
Speaker 1: I don't want this ability, Like I don't want to
Speaker 1: be able to know what I'm about to do, or
Speaker 1: to look at that person and know everything about them,
Speaker 1: or to touch this object and see things like I
Speaker 1: don't want this. What do you do? I?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so I said, they were like a dozen that
Speaker 2: I knew. I don't know what that friend of mine
Speaker 2: in particular does to calm himself down or get himself
Speaker 2: out of that manic world of always being psychic all
Speaker 2: the time. Unfortunately, I do know a number of psychics
Speaker 2: who have huge addiction problems because they have found ways
Speaker 2: to self medicate themselves out of that anxiety, out of
Speaker 2: that worry, and out of that concern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's it's one of those things that's like
Speaker 1: you could you go to a psychiatrist, like what do
Speaker 1: you do? Go to a witch? Like what do you
Speaker 1: who do you go to to take that skill away
Speaker 1: from you or whatever? Like it seems like you're stuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go to a I mean, if you
Speaker 2: go to a psychologist or therapist, they're going to tell you, well,
Speaker 2: you're not psychic, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Right right, It's like there's no one to turn to. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: I feel bad. If you're listening to this and you're
Speaker 1: a psychic and you hate being a psychic, we are
Speaker 1: here for you because that does sound like, Hell, Hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think about haunted dolls?
Speaker 2: I think that anything can be haunted. I think that
Speaker 2: we can haunt things that we can put our minds
Speaker 2: into something and haunted. So I think that dolls can
Speaker 2: be haunted. I don't think they start off haunted. I
Speaker 2: mean unless they're made by someone who's trying to make
Speaker 2: a haunted doll, then maybe.
Speaker 1: So someone could make a haunted doll.
Speaker 2: Sure, as much as you could make a haunted anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, if someone's sitting crafting a doll from scratch
Speaker 2: and they're like, this thing's going to be haunted, I'm
Speaker 2: going to put the spirit and the whole time they're
Speaker 2: making and all of their intention and all of their
Speaker 2: energy is being forced into the creation of this thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just like a totem. It's any kind
Speaker 2: of magical doll mop it, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Do you think that a human what we call ghost
Speaker 1: can get inside of a doll?
Speaker 2: I mean I guess sure. I don't know why you
Speaker 2: would want to. If you could get inside of a doll,
Speaker 2: that would mean you could get inside anything, right, And
Speaker 2: so I think like it would be kind of boring
Speaker 2: as a human being that can go where anywhere and
Speaker 2: do anything, to kind of lock yourself inside of a doll.
Speaker 1: I know, because I do think of it, because I
Speaker 1: have an obsession with haunted doll and with fake haunted
Speaker 1: dolls on eBay, and like the stories that they have
Speaker 1: about how they used to be this person and now
Speaker 1: they're in this doll and it just really makes me
Speaker 1: wonder that exact question, like why, like do people like die?
Speaker 1: And then they think like, oh, at least I'll be
Speaker 1: something that I can like move and walk around. Like
Speaker 1: in their mind they're like, oh, I saw Chucky in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, like I could probably I remember seeing that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's an option for me. And then they get
Speaker 1: there and they're like, oh no, I'm just on eBay
Speaker 1: for nine ninety nine, Like this isn't what.
Speaker 2: I was saying. And then they spend up a lot
Speaker 2: of time at a thrift store.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And.
Speaker 2: Then someone buys them and paints them to look real scary.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's always the best they put, just like green
Speaker 1: slime dripping out of their mouth. Have you ever encountered
Speaker 1: a haunted doll?
Speaker 2: Uh? Personally No, But I have a haunted mannequin head
Speaker 2: in my house.
Speaker 1: Well that's not terrifying? What okay? What tell me?
Speaker 2: So a few years ago, I got a call from
Speaker 2: a security guard who worked at one of the local
Speaker 2: malls around where I live, and he said that he
Speaker 2: thought something paranormal was happening. Women were reporting being groped,
Speaker 2: that weird things were being whispered in women's ears, real
Speaker 2: gross things, that butts were being pinched and boobs were
Speaker 2: being squeezed, and they had So I went there and
Speaker 2: they actually had security footage of women reacting, but there
Speaker 2: was nothing around them, and so I got permission to
Speaker 2: come in after close and kind of do a paranormal investigation,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't find anything. This went on for a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks and I just kind of randomly when
Speaker 2: they would allow me to go in and investigate. I
Speaker 2: couldn't find anything. And eventually I got to a point
Speaker 2: where I said, I've been all over the building, all
Speaker 2: over this part of the mall where all these experiences
Speaker 2: are happening. And I was talking to them a break
Speaker 2: room which was in like the basement, and they were like, well,
Speaker 2: you haven't looked in the sub basement. So I was like,
Speaker 2: I'll go in the sub basement. So I look all
Speaker 2: down there and there's nothing down there. But I found
Speaker 2: this big air shaft and I was like, can I
Speaker 2: go can I crawl up into this air shaft and
Speaker 2: they were like yeah, So I crawled up in this
Speaker 2: air shaft way back by these all these giant heating ducks,
Speaker 2: and I came around the corner and kind of lost
Speaker 2: my shit. There was like a foam mannequin head laying
Speaker 2: in the dirt and it was surrounded by broken glass
Speaker 2: and yellow rubber gloves and note cards, like three by
Speaker 2: five note cards, and on the note cards, written over
Speaker 2: and over again, it just said things like I love you,
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you, I love you, I
Speaker 2: love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.
Speaker 2: So I asked if I could take all of it,
Speaker 2: and they said, yeah, go ahead. So I took all
Speaker 2: of that stuff home and I did an investigation with
Speaker 2: the head. I did like an EVP session with the head,
Speaker 2: and the response I got was you forgot something. So
Speaker 2: I went back and I dug down in the dirt
Speaker 2: where the head had been, and I found an envelope
Speaker 2: and in the envelope were like clippings out of like
Speaker 2: Cosmopolitan magazine and catalogs of like women's eyes and lips
Speaker 2: and hands and legs. And yeah, it was really insane.
Speaker 2: But once the head was removed and all that stuff
Speaker 2: was taken away from them. All all the incidents at
Speaker 2: the mall stopped. And then there seemed to be kind
Speaker 2: of two entities attached to the mannequin head. One was female,
Speaker 2: which I think was constructed by the other energy attached
Speaker 2: to it, which was male. It was very gross. And
Speaker 2: so I think that at some point, probably, and this
Speaker 2: is all just speculation now, but I think at some
Speaker 2: point an employee of the mall, or someone who had
Speaker 2: access to that air vent, probably a custodial person, probably
Speaker 2: used to climb up back there and have adult alone
Speaker 2: time with that mannequin head, yeah, and created a kind
Speaker 2: of thought form entity in the mannequin head itself. And
Speaker 2: then after this person moved on, they probably died and
Speaker 2: they probably went back to their adult happy space, and
Speaker 2: that's what was haunting that mall.
Speaker 1: So okay, So this idea of like a thought form
Speaker 1: agrigor type thing, something that's not necessarily a dead person's spirit,
Speaker 1: right or.
Speaker 2: Right right, something created by that person putting so much
Speaker 2: love and energy, hate, tred whatever, all their emotions into
Speaker 2: this weird mannequin head. And Macy, which is the name
Speaker 2: that I gave to the mannequin head so you can
Speaker 2: try and figure out what store it was underneath. But right,
Speaker 2: but Macy like looks like she has been through some stuff.
Speaker 2: There's a big chunk missing out of the back of
Speaker 2: her head. One of her eyeballs is gone. Well it's
Speaker 2: a foam head. Someone actually put wooden eyes into it.
Speaker 2: There's only one left.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, this is so creepy.
Speaker 2: Are you going to be showing this video?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, why is Macy around?
Speaker 2: I can go get Macy? Do you want me to
Speaker 2: get Macy? Do you want to go?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Macy may I'll go get Macy. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank you?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you want to see Macy?
Speaker 1: Yes, we just took a quick little break so that
Speaker 1: Tenny could go get Macy. The doll head with wooden eyes.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'll take her out of her little box.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen if you take her out? I'm scared.
Speaker 2: Nothing. She's fine now. She's actually very inactive now that
Speaker 2: she has gotten rid of that bad male energy that
Speaker 2: was around her.
Speaker 1: That is really what she looks like. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a wighead. Yeah, it's okay, because I have a room
Speaker 1: filled with those I mean, they have wigs on them.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, that is so beautiful, the gorgeous today. Okay,
Speaker 1: so since having Macy in your home, what kind of
Speaker 1: stuff has gone down?
Speaker 2: Uh? Nothing really. I actually found the way, I think
Speaker 2: the kind of negative entity that I was associated with
Speaker 2: her really kind of faded away once I started introducing
Speaker 2: her to people and taking her to my events and
Speaker 2: letting people talk to her, and like that male presence,
Speaker 2: that kind of evil, overwhelming presence that was around her
Speaker 2: just kind of dissipated, and then she just became very quiet.
Speaker 2: And now I think might just be a mannequin head
Speaker 2: or a wighead.
Speaker 1: Now, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So this is the envelope that I found was hidden
Speaker 2: so like inside of it or like women's legs and
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see that, or.
Speaker 1: A high heel leg, high heel leg.
Speaker 2: This is like a woman's chest kind of wearing like
Speaker 2: a fla top.
Speaker 1: It almost I mean, my guests look at those pictures
Speaker 1: would be like nineties maybe right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure there's some eyes.
Speaker 1: And when when did you discover all this stuff?
Speaker 2: It's more eyes. This was probably three or four years ago.
Speaker 1: WHOA, So it might have been from the nineties then.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think one of the things that really
Speaker 2: creeped me out more than anything was I took Macie
Speaker 2: to a lecture and was telling her story and there
Speaker 2: was a woman in the room who raised her hand
Speaker 2: and said, you know, I used to work at that mall.
Speaker 2: There was a custodian there, and she had worked there
Speaker 2: in the early nineties, and she said there was a
Speaker 2: custodian there that was super creepy that got fired for
Speaker 2: like being inappropriate with the female staff. So then, like
Speaker 2: I wanted to track the person down, like see if
Speaker 2: he had died, or what happened, or who he was.
Speaker 2: The problem is, it's at a mall, and like finding
Speaker 2: him deployment records from someone who was a custodian for
Speaker 2: a little while or even a long time back in
Speaker 2: the nineties is just non existence. I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 2: even a Macy's in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how would where would you even begin on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's fine now. She just sits in her
Speaker 2: little house and up in my life.
Speaker 1: Good for her. A redemption story from Macy the wighead.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on over to cemeteries. Yeah, do you think,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on cemeteries being haunted.
Speaker 2: So I've said this before in lectures, just as a
Speaker 2: kind of overview of the whole thing. If we think
Speaker 2: that people can become ghosts, there have been a hundred
Speaker 2: billion deaths on the planet since there have been humans.
Speaker 2: A good estimate if half of those one hundred billion
Speaker 2: became ghosts, that's fifty billion ghosts. Now, human beings have
Speaker 2: only really lived in habitable land spaces on the Earth
Speaker 2: since there have been humans, So you can take Antarctica
Speaker 2: out of that and things like that. If you take
Speaker 2: habitable land mass by fifty billion ghosts, that breaks down
Speaker 2: to about eleven ghosts per acre. So like a cemetery
Speaker 2: has as much chance of being haunted as anywhere else
Speaker 2: in the world.
Speaker 1: Here you go, Yeah, because of the guy I've talked
Speaker 1: to people about cemeteries before and just like why would
Speaker 1: there be ghosts there? But I guess if you break
Speaker 1: it down like that.
Speaker 2: The other thing is too, like we have this idea
Speaker 2: and or had a lot of researchers have this idea
Speaker 2: that like ghosts have this. You know, we use the
Speaker 2: term like feeding, but it's not really feeding, but like
Speaker 2: persisting off of our energies, like we go and we
Speaker 2: talk to them and we give something of ourselves to them,
Speaker 2: and then they can persist in that area because we're
Speaker 2: putting our emotions and our psychology into that state, our
Speaker 2: quote unquote energy into that state. Well, if that's true,
Speaker 2: if ghosts needs some form of human energy to exist,
Speaker 2: then right off the bat, it seems like they wouldn't
Speaker 2: be in cemeteries because there's just dead bodies there. But
Speaker 2: the reality is cemeteries are constantly replenished with human energy
Speaker 2: because they are places of grieving and memory and people
Speaker 2: go there all the time and leave huge amounts of
Speaker 2: energy in the cemetery. So if there are any ghosts
Speaker 2: even walking around who are looking for something to quote
Speaker 2: unquote eat, like, they'd be like, what's that radiant source
Speaker 2: of all that energy over there? Oh, I'll go over there,
Speaker 2: and that's probably a cemetery. And so you might be
Speaker 2: encountering in a cemetery not people who are buried there,
Speaker 2: but people from the neighborhood who were drawn.
Speaker 1: There feeding time. Can you tell the story of the
Speaker 1: Tallest Stone?
Speaker 2: Sure? So I was introduced to my first witch mentor
Speaker 2: was a woman named Marian Cuckolo, who was known as Gondala,
Speaker 2: the Good Witch of Michigan, and she was a fairly
Speaker 2: bad researcher, but a really good witch. And in one
Speaker 2: of her books about Michigan hauntings, she wrote about this
Speaker 2: cemetery where a woman in white was standing near the
Speaker 2: tallest stone in the cemetery. And after Marion had passed
Speaker 2: away in the early nineties, I was going to track
Speaker 2: down all these haunted locations that she had written about.
Speaker 2: And of course she wrote down the directions wrong and
Speaker 2: named the cemetery wrong and everything. But I eventually found
Speaker 2: the cemetery, and when I went there, I even talked
Speaker 2: to the police, talked to the locals. People always said, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a woman in white that stands near this tall stone.
Speaker 2: So I found the tallest stone, and the easiest way
Speaker 2: to talk about it was I went there. I always
Speaker 2: go to cemeteries. I always go to places during the
Speaker 2: day if I can, just to map out the area
Speaker 2: and be safe and not fall in holes and know
Speaker 2: where I'm not going to die. And so the first
Speaker 2: day I was there, I found the tallest stone and
Speaker 2: on there it said you know Ella on her grapestone
Speaker 2: and name was Eleanor, and so I took pictures of
Speaker 2: it and perfect haunting story, Like I'm walking around the cemeterium,
Speaker 2: like a little black cat runs out from under a
Speaker 2: bush and I was like, oh, perfect, And I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, little black cat, show me where the
Speaker 2: ghosts are, right, and he immediately runs over and lays
Speaker 2: down near the tallest stone. So I take some pictures
Speaker 2: of him. And then I started doing research on Eleanor
Speaker 2: and I find out that, you know, she died fairly young.
Speaker 2: I think she was twenty when she died, and in
Speaker 2: the newspaper accounts of her dying over and over again,
Speaker 2: she was referred to and you know, small town newspapers,
Speaker 2: she was referred to as Nora, and so that kind
Speaker 2: of sparked my brain, like, well, that's interesting, like her
Speaker 2: friends and family called her norm, but she's buried under Ella.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's the family name, and you know whatever.
Speaker 2: So a couple days go by and I was looking
Speaker 2: through my pictures with the little black cat and when
Speaker 2: he sat down in front of the tallest stone, he
Speaker 2: had pushed down all the grass in front of the
Speaker 2: tallest stone and there was something scratched into the base
Speaker 2: of this stone. So I go back to the cemetery
Speaker 2: and I pull the grass away and scratched into the
Speaker 2: bottom it says I am Nora on the bottom of
Speaker 2: the stone. And I was like, holy crap, this is
Speaker 2: why she's showing up. She's being misremembered. She's not being
Speaker 2: remembered in the right way. She just wants someone to
Speaker 2: remember her. And so for years after that, on her birthday,
Speaker 2: I would take her a bouquet of flowers and say
Speaker 2: for Nora, and I would leave them, and people eventually
Speaker 2: stop seeing her.
Speaker 1: But wait, what about this recording. Wasn't there like an
Speaker 1: EVP recording.
Speaker 2: There was so much that happened in that some of it.
Speaker 2: So there was one where the tape was actually turned off.
Speaker 2: So I set this tape recording down in the cemetery
Speaker 2: to do a recording. And you can hear me. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's an old recorder. It's a cassette recorder, right, So
Speaker 2: you hear me press down the record button. You can
Speaker 2: hear that physical click click as it starts recording. You
Speaker 2: can hear me talking and walking away. So I let
Speaker 2: it run for thirty minutes, and then I went back
Speaker 2: and picked it up, turned it off, got in my car,
Speaker 2: put it in the cassette player, rewound it. It reround
Speaker 2: really fast, and then when I played it back, you
Speaker 2: could hear me start the recording. You could hear me
Speaker 2: walk away. Then you can hear it stop recording. You
Speaker 2: hear click click stops recording. Then you hear click click
Speaker 2: and it starts recording again, and you can hear me
Speaker 2: walk up and pick up the cassette recorder. So as
Speaker 2: soon as I laughed, she turned off the tape recorder.
Speaker 1: That is amazing.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Did Johnny l Tenny. He has
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