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Speaker 1: I got to talk to John E. L. Tenny once again.

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Speaker 1: He was on about a year ago. It was February

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Speaker 1: eighteenth of twenty twenty one, to be exact. Go back

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Speaker 1: and listen if you haven't heard it. John E. L.

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Speaker 1: Tenney is a world renowned paranormal investigator, researcher, lecturer. Oh

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Speaker 1: the lectures are legendary. This man knows a lot of

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Speaker 1: he's weird and it gets weird. This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a two parter. Next week it gets even weirder. But

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start you off with some some some greade,

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Speaker 1: just doing ghosts. We're getting We're going We're going all

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Speaker 1: the way to elves the existence of elves, a creature

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Speaker 1: I wanted to read a story. I got a story

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Speaker 1: in a five star review on Apple Podcasts, which I love.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And anybody that has a good

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Speaker 1: I'd love to read it. This one comes all the

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Speaker 1: way from Australia. Thank you so much. I don't know

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Speaker 1: your name, but this was left by somebody named hnsa

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Speaker 1: Henosa eighty five. Thank you. I know it s eighty five.

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Speaker 1: you so much. Ahead the time of my life at that.

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Speaker 1: They're right. I've had some spooky experiences since living here

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Speaker 1: my first part of my conversation with John E. L.

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Speaker 1: Tenny on with the show Oh my God, you guys.

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Speaker 1: John E. L. Tanny, Hello, how are you fantastic?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing so good?

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Speaker 1: You're in Michigan, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you. Someday when I die, I will

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Speaker 2: kind of ground myself and I went outside outside my forest, field.

433
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: I went outside on my back doack and closed my

434
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: eyes and I just imagined myself walking through my neighborhood,

435
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: which is kind of how I trained myself to astro project.

436
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: And what I'll do is I will get to a

437
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: point where there's a house or a part of the

438
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: neighborhood I've never really looked at before, and then I'll

439
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: walk up the driveway and like peek over the fence

440
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: and look in the backyard. And so after we're done

441
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: talking now because I did that before we started talking,

442
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: I will go now after we're done and look over

443
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: the fence in real life and see if I really

444
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: did see into the backyard.

445
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: Whoa see. My question is always just like if I

446
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: could sleep and do my laundry or something at the

447
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: same time, or you know, during COVID, I would talk about,

448
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: like why don't we all just astro project and we

449
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: can go hang out like our astrobodies can't get COVID.

450
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: So but that's why I'm always wondering, like how much

451
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: can you achieve?

452
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: Like physically, I don't think you can achieve much physically,

453
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: But what you were talking about, So in the nineteen

454
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: seventies when the United States government was starting to work

455
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: with remote viewing and astra projection, and can we use

456
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: it to spy on other countries? The US had a

457
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: team of psychic spies, right, and so they would allegedly

458
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: astro project and they would go over other countries and

459
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: they would try and look in secret military bases. Well,

460
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: of course, other countries knew we were doing it, so

461
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 2: they had their own team of psychic spies. And for

462
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: the first month or so, all of the countries that

463
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: were doing it were actually receiving intel that seemed pretty legitimate,

464
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: like these psychic spies were actually gaining actionable data. But

465
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it stopped. And if you

466
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: look at a lot of the reports and you talk

467
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: to the people who were in those groups, they start

468
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: to talk about after a while, they started meeting each

469
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: other in astral form while they were psychically projecting, and

470
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: they were like, this is ridiculous that we're using this

471
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: to spy on each other, to create war and incursions

472
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: on each other. And so they made a deal in

473
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 2: astral space to stop spying on each other, and then

474
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 2: the programs fell apart.

475
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: Really yeah, oh my god, because yeah, the thought of

476
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: like psychic wars like it's such an interesting thing. Okay, wait,

477
00:27:54,200 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: now let's get into psychics. Let's talk about psychics. What

478
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: what are your overall thoughts about psychics?

479
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: Just in general, I think that everyone's psychic. Really, yes,

480
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: I think that everyone's psychic. I think that people can

481
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 2: learn better to use their natural innate psychic abilities. I

482
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: think that some people are very good at faking how

483
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: good their psychic abilities are, and then they scare themselves

484
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: when they actually do something really psychic. And then I

485
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of people who just fake psychic

486
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: abilities even though they naturally have them. Anyway, they're just

487
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, baking that they're greater than they are.

488
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's like singing, where it's like

489
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: most people can technically, like they can make that noise

490
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: out of their vocal chords, but some people are like

491
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: just born amazing at it. Some people have to work

492
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: on it. Some people can use auto tune and fool

493
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: you into believing that they can do it better than

494
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: they can, Like I just and I think that sometimes they,

495
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: like even someone that's really good at it can have

496
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: an off day. I'm actually just creating this in my

497
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: head right now as I'm speaking, But that's that's kind

498
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: of how I think of it, because I do. I

499
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: do also think that everybody has psychic ability, but I

500
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: always talk about like, I don't think there's any psychic

501
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: that is always right one hundred percent of the time.

502
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: No, I do think there is. I don't think so either.

503
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: I mean I have over the past thirty plus years,

504
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: I've literally met thousands of people who've said they were psychic,

505
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: and I have maybe I mean, out of those thousands,

506
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: I have probably met a dozen that are really great

507
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: at what they do and hit a lot of the times,

508
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: and they almost all hate being psychic in that way.

509
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you mean?

510
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: So one of my friends, like is probably one of

511
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: the most psychic people. I won't say his name because

512
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: he's he hates being psychic and he hates people calling

513
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: him out for it. But it drains him. It's emotionally

514
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: draining to him, it's psychologically draining to him. He doesn't

515
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: do readings online, doesn't promote himself as a psychic. I

516
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: asked him one time to do psychic readings at a

517
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: lecture of mine. I said, listen, just give it. Anybody

518
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: that wants a reading, a free reading I'll pay you,

519
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, fifty bucks a person, as long or short

520
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: as you want it to be, just do it. So

521
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: I did my lecture and then afterwards I was like,

522
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: how many did you do? And he was like, I

523
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: did half a one. Don't pay me. And I was like,

524
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: you did half of one. He was like, I did

525
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: half a one. It was super draining. I don't care

526
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: about the money. I don't want to do this anymore.

527
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: And then he never did another one of my events

528
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: ever again. I've never seen him promote himself on the

529
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: line as a psychic. It's like overwhelming to really be psychic.

530
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: I feel like, right, It's that's why I think too

531
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: so some times when people choose to do it for

532
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: a living, it's like it has to be a mix

533
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: of a certain type of person that would that would

534
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: want to use those abilities for money and dedicate their

535
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: life to it, and I think they should be paid.

536
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but it's like a very interesting

537
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: mix of things that would have to involve not just

538
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: their psychic abilities. I guess that's what I'm thinking.

539
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, but I think, I like I

540
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: was saying, like, I think actually that it's mostly inborn.

541
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: So like there has been legitimate research into something as

542
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: simple as do people know if they're being stared at? Right?

543
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: So the do you know when you're sitting at the

544
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: movie theater or that someone is staring at the back

545
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: of your head, because there's no way you should know,

546
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: But most of the time you do know. You can

547
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: be on a bus or in a movie theater and

548
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: you turn around and someone's looking at the back of

549
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: your head, and that's a psychic power, right. But I

550
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: think that that's probably an evolved process through predator and prey. Right, So,

551
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: animals that know when they're being looked at would tend

552
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: to live longer because they wouldn't get grabbed by the

553
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: thing that swooped out of the sky to grab them,

554
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: or the fox or the wolf or whatever was going

555
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: to eat them. And so through that evolved process, and

556
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: since we evolved from those creatures, we have that ability

557
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: still to at least in that one component part, No,

558
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: when we're being looked at, Well, this opens up a

559
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: door to all of those feelings that we have when

560
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: you walk into a party or a bar, or a

561
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: restaurant or someone's house for the first time. No language

562
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: immediately you walk in the door and you're like, this

563
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: place sucks, like you don't even know why, but all

564
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: of your body indicators, all your psychic indicators, are like

565
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: this place sucks. Or you meet someone for the first time,

566
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: you're like, we're going to be best friends forever, and

567
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: you just know it. I think those are our psychic abilities,

568
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: and I think you can train yourself to heighten them.

569
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what some people call intuition. I mean,

570
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm really into that. I'm really into listening to that.

571
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: But hold up, I was thinking, going back to your

572
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: friend that is a psychic that doesn't want to be

573
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: a psychic, is there anything you can do about that?

574
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: How do you mean who do you go to? Do

575
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: you like? Is there.

576
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't like going to psychics?

577
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: No? No, But I'm saying, if you are a psychic,

578
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: that is like I hate that I'm an incredible psychic.

579
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't want this ability, Like I don't want to

580
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: be able to know what I'm about to do, or

581
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: to look at that person and know everything about them,

582
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: or to touch this object and see things like I

583
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: don't want this. What do you do? I?

584
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so I said, they were like a dozen that

585
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: I knew. I don't know what that friend of mine

586
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: in particular does to calm himself down or get himself

587
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: out of that manic world of always being psychic all

588
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: the time. Unfortunately, I do know a number of psychics

589
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: who have huge addiction problems because they have found ways

590
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: to self medicate themselves out of that anxiety, out of

591
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: that worry, and out of that concern.

592
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's it's one of those things that's like

593
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: you could you go to a psychiatrist, like what do

594
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: you do? Go to a witch? Like what do you

595
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: who do you go to to take that skill away

596
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: from you or whatever? Like it seems like you're stuck.

597
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go to a I mean, if you

598
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: go to a psychologist or therapist, they're going to tell you, well,

599
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: you're not psychic, so don't worry about it.

600
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: Right right, It's like there's no one to turn to. Yeah, Oh,

601
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: I feel bad. If you're listening to this and you're

602
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: a psychic and you hate being a psychic, we are

603
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: here for you because that does sound like, Hell, Hey,

604
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: what do you think about haunted dolls?

605
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: I think that anything can be haunted. I think that

606
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: we can haunt things that we can put our minds

607
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: into something and haunted. So I think that dolls can

608
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: be haunted. I don't think they start off haunted. I

609
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: mean unless they're made by someone who's trying to make

610
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: a haunted doll, then maybe.

611
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: So someone could make a haunted doll.

612
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: Sure, as much as you could make a haunted anything.

613
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: I mean, if someone's sitting crafting a doll from scratch

614
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: and they're like, this thing's going to be haunted, I'm

615
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: going to put the spirit and the whole time they're

616
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: making and all of their intention and all of their

617
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: energy is being forced into the creation of this thing.

618
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just like a totem. It's any kind

619
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: of magical doll mop it, you know whatever.

620
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: Do you think that a human what we call ghost

621
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: can get inside of a doll?

622
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: I mean I guess sure. I don't know why you

623
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: would want to. If you could get inside of a doll,

624
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: that would mean you could get inside anything, right, And

625
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: so I think like it would be kind of boring

626
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: as a human being that can go where anywhere and

627
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: do anything, to kind of lock yourself inside of a doll.

628
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: I know, because I do think of it, because I

629
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: have an obsession with haunted doll and with fake haunted

630
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: dolls on eBay, and like the stories that they have

631
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: about how they used to be this person and now

632
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: they're in this doll and it just really makes me

633
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: wonder that exact question, like why, like do people like die?

634
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: And then they think like, oh, at least I'll be

635
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: something that I can like move and walk around. Like

636
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: in their mind they're like, oh, I saw Chucky in

637
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, like I could probably I remember seeing that.

638
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: Maybe that's an option for me. And then they get

639
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: there and they're like, oh no, I'm just on eBay

640
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: for nine ninety nine, Like this isn't what.

641
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: I was saying. And then they spend up a lot

642
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: of time at a thrift store.

643
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And.

644
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: Then someone buys them and paints them to look real scary.

645
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: Yes, that's always the best they put, just like green

646
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: slime dripping out of their mouth. Have you ever encountered

647
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: a haunted doll?

648
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: Uh? Personally No, But I have a haunted mannequin head

649
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: in my house.

650
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: Well that's not terrifying? What okay? What tell me?

651
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: So a few years ago, I got a call from

652
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: a security guard who worked at one of the local

653
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: malls around where I live, and he said that he

654
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: thought something paranormal was happening. Women were reporting being groped,

655
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: that weird things were being whispered in women's ears, real

656
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: gross things, that butts were being pinched and boobs were

657
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: being squeezed, and they had So I went there and

658
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: they actually had security footage of women reacting, but there

659
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: was nothing around them, and so I got permission to

660
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: come in after close and kind of do a paranormal investigation,

661
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: and I couldn't find anything. This went on for a

662
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: couple of weeks and I just kind of randomly when

663
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: they would allow me to go in and investigate. I

664
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: couldn't find anything. And eventually I got to a point

665
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: where I said, I've been all over the building, all

666
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: over this part of the mall where all these experiences

667
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 2: are happening. And I was talking to them a break

668
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: room which was in like the basement, and they were like, well,

669
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: you haven't looked in the sub basement. So I was like,

670
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: I'll go in the sub basement. So I look all

671
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: down there and there's nothing down there. But I found

672
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: this big air shaft and I was like, can I

673
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: go can I crawl up into this air shaft and

674
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: they were like yeah, So I crawled up in this

675
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: air shaft way back by these all these giant heating ducks,

676
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: and I came around the corner and kind of lost

677
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: my shit. There was like a foam mannequin head laying

678
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: in the dirt and it was surrounded by broken glass

679
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: and yellow rubber gloves and note cards, like three by

680
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: five note cards, and on the note cards, written over

681
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: and over again, it just said things like I love you,

682
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you, I love you, I

683
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.

684
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: So I asked if I could take all of it,

685
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: and they said, yeah, go ahead. So I took all

686
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: of that stuff home and I did an investigation with

687
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: the head. I did like an EVP session with the head,

688
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: and the response I got was you forgot something. So

689
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: I went back and I dug down in the dirt

690
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: where the head had been, and I found an envelope

691
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: and in the envelope were like clippings out of like

692
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: Cosmopolitan magazine and catalogs of like women's eyes and lips

693
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: and hands and legs. And yeah, it was really insane.

694
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: But once the head was removed and all that stuff

695
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: was taken away from them. All all the incidents at

696
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: the mall stopped. And then there seemed to be kind

697
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: of two entities attached to the mannequin head. One was female,

698
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: which I think was constructed by the other energy attached

699
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: to it, which was male. It was very gross. And

700
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: so I think that at some point, probably, and this

701
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: is all just speculation now, but I think at some

702
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: point an employee of the mall, or someone who had

703
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: access to that air vent, probably a custodial person, probably

704
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: used to climb up back there and have adult alone

705
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: time with that mannequin head, yeah, and created a kind

706
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: of thought form entity in the mannequin head itself. And

707
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: then after this person moved on, they probably died and

708
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: they probably went back to their adult happy space, and

709
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: that's what was haunting that mall.

710
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: So okay, So this idea of like a thought form

711
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: agrigor type thing, something that's not necessarily a dead person's spirit,

712
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: right or.

713
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: Right right, something created by that person putting so much

714
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: love and energy, hate, tred whatever, all their emotions into

715
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: this weird mannequin head. And Macy, which is the name

716
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: that I gave to the mannequin head so you can

717
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: try and figure out what store it was underneath. But right,

718
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: but Macy like looks like she has been through some stuff.

719
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: There's a big chunk missing out of the back of

720
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: her head. One of her eyeballs is gone. Well it's

721
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: a foam head. Someone actually put wooden eyes into it.

722
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: There's only one left.

723
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: But oh my god, this is so creepy.

724
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 2: Are you going to be showing this video?

725
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, why is Macy around?

726
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: I can go get Macy? Do you want me to

727
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: get Macy? Do you want to go?

728
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Macy may I'll go get Macy. Oh my god,

729
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: thank you?

730
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: Okay, so you want to see Macy?

731
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: Yes, we just took a quick little break so that

732
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: Tenny could go get Macy. The doll head with wooden eyes.

733
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I'll take her out of her little box.

734
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen if you take her out? I'm scared.

735
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: Nothing. She's fine now. She's actually very inactive now that

736
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: she has gotten rid of that bad male energy that

737
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: was around her.

738
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: That is really what she looks like. So it's it's

739
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: a wighead. Yeah, it's okay, because I have a room

740
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: filled with those I mean, they have wigs on them.

741
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: But oh my god, that is so beautiful, the gorgeous today. Okay,

742
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: so since having Macy in your home, what kind of

743
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: stuff has gone down?

744
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: Uh? Nothing really. I actually found the way, I think

745
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: the kind of negative entity that I was associated with

746
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: her really kind of faded away once I started introducing

747
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: her to people and taking her to my events and

748
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: letting people talk to her, and like that male presence,

749
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: that kind of evil, overwhelming presence that was around her

750
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: just kind of dissipated, and then she just became very quiet.

751
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: And now I think might just be a mannequin head

752
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: or a wighead.

753
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: Now, oh my god.

754
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: So this is the envelope that I found was hidden

755
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: so like inside of it or like women's legs and

756
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see that, or.

757
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: A high heel leg, high heel leg.

758
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: This is like a woman's chest kind of wearing like

759
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: a fla top.

760
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: It almost I mean, my guests look at those pictures

761
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: would be like nineties maybe right.

762
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure there's some eyes.

763
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: And when when did you discover all this stuff?

764
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 2: It's more eyes. This was probably three or four years ago.

765
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: WHOA, So it might have been from the nineties then.

766
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think one of the things that really

767
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: creeped me out more than anything was I took Macie

768
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: to a lecture and was telling her story and there

769
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: was a woman in the room who raised her hand

770
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: and said, you know, I used to work at that mall.

771
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 2: There was a custodian there, and she had worked there

772
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: in the early nineties, and she said there was a

773
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: custodian there that was super creepy that got fired for

774
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: like being inappropriate with the female staff. So then, like

775
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to track the person down, like see if

776
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: he had died, or what happened, or who he was.

777
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: The problem is, it's at a mall, and like finding

778
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: him deployment records from someone who was a custodian for

779
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: a little while or even a long time back in

780
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: the nineties is just non existence. I mean, it wasn't

781
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: even a Macy's in the nineties.

782
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, how would where would you even begin on that?

783
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's fine now. She just sits in her

784
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: little house and up in my life.

785
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Good for her. A redemption story from Macy the wighead.

786
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

787
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on over to cemeteries. Yeah, do you think,

788
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on cemeteries being haunted.

789
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: So I've said this before in lectures, just as a

790
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: kind of overview of the whole thing. If we think

791
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: that people can become ghosts, there have been a hundred

792
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: billion deaths on the planet since there have been humans.

793
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: A good estimate if half of those one hundred billion

794
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: became ghosts, that's fifty billion ghosts. Now, human beings have

795
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: only really lived in habitable land spaces on the Earth

796
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: since there have been humans, So you can take Antarctica

797
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: out of that and things like that. If you take

798
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: habitable land mass by fifty billion ghosts, that breaks down

799
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: to about eleven ghosts per acre. So like a cemetery

800
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: has as much chance of being haunted as anywhere else

801
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: in the world.

802
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: Here you go, Yeah, because of the guy I've talked

803
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: to people about cemeteries before and just like why would

804
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: there be ghosts there? But I guess if you break

805
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: it down like that.

806
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: The other thing is too, like we have this idea

807
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: and or had a lot of researchers have this idea

808
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: that like ghosts have this. You know, we use the

809
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: term like feeding, but it's not really feeding, but like

810
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: persisting off of our energies, like we go and we

811
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: talk to them and we give something of ourselves to them,

812
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: and then they can persist in that area because we're

813
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: putting our emotions and our psychology into that state, our

814
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 2: quote unquote energy into that state. Well, if that's true,

815
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: if ghosts needs some form of human energy to exist,

816
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: then right off the bat, it seems like they wouldn't

817
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: be in cemeteries because there's just dead bodies there. But

818
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: the reality is cemeteries are constantly replenished with human energy

819
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: because they are places of grieving and memory and people

820
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: go there all the time and leave huge amounts of

821
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: energy in the cemetery. So if there are any ghosts

822
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 2: even walking around who are looking for something to quote

823
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: unquote eat, like, they'd be like, what's that radiant source

824
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: of all that energy over there? Oh, I'll go over there,

825
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: and that's probably a cemetery. And so you might be

826
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 2: encountering in a cemetery not people who are buried there,

827
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: but people from the neighborhood who were drawn.

828
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: There feeding time. Can you tell the story of the

829
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: Tallest Stone?

830
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: Sure? So I was introduced to my first witch mentor

831
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: was a woman named Marian Cuckolo, who was known as Gondala,

832
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 2: the Good Witch of Michigan, and she was a fairly

833
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: bad researcher, but a really good witch. And in one

834
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: of her books about Michigan hauntings, she wrote about this

835
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: cemetery where a woman in white was standing near the

836
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: tallest stone in the cemetery. And after Marion had passed

837
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: away in the early nineties, I was going to track

838
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: down all these haunted locations that she had written about.

839
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: And of course she wrote down the directions wrong and

840
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: named the cemetery wrong and everything. But I eventually found

841
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: the cemetery, and when I went there, I even talked

842
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: to the police, talked to the locals. People always said, yeah,

843
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: there's a woman in white that stands near this tall stone.

844
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: So I found the tallest stone, and the easiest way

845
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: to talk about it was I went there. I always

846
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: go to cemeteries. I always go to places during the

847
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: day if I can, just to map out the area

848
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: and be safe and not fall in holes and know

849
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: where I'm not going to die. And so the first

850
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: day I was there, I found the tallest stone and

851
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: on there it said you know Ella on her grapestone

852
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: and name was Eleanor, and so I took pictures of

853
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: it and perfect haunting story, Like I'm walking around the cemeterium,

854
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: like a little black cat runs out from under a

855
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: bush and I was like, oh, perfect, And I was like,

856
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: I was like, little black cat, show me where the

857
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: ghosts are, right, and he immediately runs over and lays

858
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 2: down near the tallest stone. So I take some pictures

859
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: of him. And then I started doing research on Eleanor

860
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: and I find out that, you know, she died fairly young.

861
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: I think she was twenty when she died, and in

862
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: the newspaper accounts of her dying over and over again,

863
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: she was referred to and you know, small town newspapers,

864
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: she was referred to as Nora, and so that kind

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Speaker 2: of sparked my brain, like, well, that's interesting, like her

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Speaker 2: friends and family called her norm, but she's buried under Ella.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that's the family name, and you know whatever.

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Speaker 2: So a couple days go by and I was looking

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Speaker 2: through my pictures with the little black cat and when

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Speaker 2: he sat down in front of the tallest stone, he

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Speaker 2: had pushed down all the grass in front of the

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Speaker 2: tallest stone and there was something scratched into the base

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Speaker 2: of this stone. So I go back to the cemetery

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Speaker 2: and I pull the grass away and scratched into the

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Speaker 2: bottom it says I am Nora on the bottom of

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Speaker 2: the stone. And I was like, holy crap, this is

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Speaker 2: why she's showing up. She's being misremembered. She's not being

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Speaker 2: remembered in the right way. She just wants someone to

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Speaker 2: remember her. And so for years after that, on her birthday,

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Speaker 2: I would take her a bouquet of flowers and say

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Speaker 2: for Nora, and I would leave them, and people eventually

882
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Speaker 2: stop seeing her.

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Speaker 1: But wait, what about this recording. Wasn't there like an

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Speaker 1: EVP recording.

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00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: There was so much that happened in that some of it.

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Speaker 2: So there was one where the tape was actually turned off.

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Speaker 2: So I set this tape recording down in the cemetery

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Speaker 2: to do a recording. And you can hear me. I mean,

889
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: it's an old recorder. It's a cassette recorder, right, So

890
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: you hear me press down the record button. You can

891
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: hear that physical click click as it starts recording. You

892
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: can hear me talking and walking away. So I let

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Speaker 2: it run for thirty minutes, and then I went back

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Speaker 2: and picked it up, turned it off, got in my car,

895
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Speaker 2: put it in the cassette player, rewound it. It reround

896
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Speaker 2: really fast, and then when I played it back, you

897
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: could hear me start the recording. You could hear me

898
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: walk away. Then you can hear it stop recording. You

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Speaker 2: hear click click stops recording. Then you hear click click

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00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: and it starts recording again, and you can hear me

901
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: walk up and pick up the cassette recorder. So as

902
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: soon as I laughed, she turned off the tape recorder.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Did Johnny l Tenny. He has

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Speaker 1: got a podcast called What's Up Weirdo that he does

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Speaker 1: with his friend Jessica, and I love them both so much.

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Speaker 1: They are just funny, interesting people that have a lot

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Speaker 1: of interests similar to mine. And I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of you that listen to this, so go give them

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Speaker 1: a listen. It's fun. It's like hanging out with friends

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Speaker 1: and just listening to them talk. It's not always like paranormal.

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Speaker 1: They talk about all kinds of stuff and it's just

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Speaker 1: it's just fun. I don't know, I like it, So

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Speaker 1: check that out and don't you worry next week. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, it will get even weirder, so get ready

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Speaker 1: for that. So make sure you are subscribed to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can also subscribe to my Patreon if you'd like,

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Speaker 1: for my new weekly bonus episode podcast about forty minutes

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Speaker 1: every week I've been doing just researching different paranormal things.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it for the time being. We'll see how

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Speaker 1: long that lasts, but either way, they'll be up. They'll

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Speaker 1: like me and you want to break from the spookiness,

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Speaker 1: raz Hernandez and I'm on Instagram at roz Hernandez. All right,

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Speaker 1: I will talk to you next week with more Johnny L. Tanny,

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Okay.

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