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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we finally

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Speaker 1: got to meet Ellie the Elephant. I showed her a

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Speaker 1: pick of my Halloween costume. I told her about my splits.

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Speaker 1: She kissed me with her trunk. We're basically besties now.

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Speaker 1: Don't be surprised if there's a special guest dancer during

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Speaker 1: the first Ellie Stomp of the season. It's Thursday, April

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, and on today's show will be joined by

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Speaker 1: World Cup and NWSL champion Megan Klingenberg for a thoughtful

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Speaker 1: conversation on identity, music and knowing when it's time to

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Speaker 1: move on. Plus two dreams are hatched with one shovel,

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Speaker 1: breaking NWSL records with diamonds and a reminder that all plants,

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Speaker 1: including citrus trees, need a little help to grow.

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Speaker 2: That's all coming up right after this. Welcome back, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Here's what you need to know today.

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Speaker 1: Instead of starting with a sport, we're going to start

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Speaker 1: with a place, Portland, Oregon, where earlier this week, ground

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Speaker 1: was broken on a new training facility that'll be shared

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Speaker 1: by the NWSL's Portland Thorns and the city's new WNBA

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Speaker 1: expansion team. Both teams are owned by the Bethal Families

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Speaker 1: RAJ Sports. The training center is expected to open in

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Speaker 1: early twenty twenty six, just in time for the Thorns

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Speaker 1: season and ahead of the yet to be named WNBA

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Speaker 1: expansion team's debut. A little more dual sports news, the

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Speaker 1: NWSL's BFC announced that they'll play the Washington Spirit at

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Speaker 1: BFC could break the NWSL's attendance record if fans show out,

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Speaker 1: of thirty five thousand and thirty eight fans at Wrigley Field.

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Speaker 2: Yours truly was one of.

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Speaker 1: Them to college hoops after three seasons at UCLA, the

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Speaker 1: last two as a starter. Guard Lundon Jones, who led

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Speaker 1: new look bruined squad trying to make another Final Four run.

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Speaker 1: Next March to golf, where the LPGA's first major of

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Speaker 1: the season begins today the Chevron Championship at the Club

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Speaker 1: at Carlton Woods in the Woodlands, Texas. Play begins at

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Speaker 1: eight fifteen am Eastern today and teeing off at nine

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Speaker 1: champ Nellie Corda and past Chevron winners Lily Avou and

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Speaker 1: is playing for a seven point nine million dollar perse,

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Speaker 1: with the winner collecting one point two million and the

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Speaker 1: right to jump into the pond post victory, a celebration

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Speaker 1: that began with winner Amy Alcott in nineteen eighty eight

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Speaker 1: be to the Woodlands, when the tournament moved in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. You can watch it all on the Golf

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Speaker 1: Channel beginning at ten am Eastern today and tomorrow, and

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Speaker 1: ESPN Plus is also going to have featured coverage today

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Speaker 2: Finally, in hockey, it's official.

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Speaker 1: The PWHL announced on Wednesday they'll be expanding the league

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five to twenty six season. The team

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Speaker 1: will be Pacific Blue and cream slices. I'm back from

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Speaker 1: alongside the updates about men's sports, which we love because

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Speaker 1: for decades we have just been driving our cars told

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Speaker 1: Megan Klingenberg. Last week I caught up with her and

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Speaker 1: She's a former member of the US women's national team,

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Speaker 1: She's a co founder of lifestyle brand Reinc. A black

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Speaker 1: ain't salty. It's Meghan Klingenberg.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Cling, Hi, Sarah, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. Nice to see you too long?

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Speaker 3: And that's his go to saying, which I've totally stolen

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Speaker 3: I didn't talk to anybody who had already been retired.

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Speaker 3: lot with Sinki, who did know that she was retiring.

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Speaker 2: Christine Sinclair, Yep.

434
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 3: Sorry, you can do this. You can't do it that, okay, okay?

435
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, my coach Jason, and just chatting through with

436
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: my partner Ingrid and just making sure that I was

437
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 3: getting all of those feelings out. And one of the

438
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: things that I did in this new year that I

439
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: wasn't able to do when I was in the actual

440
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: situation was kind of let go. And what I realized

441
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: was that the letting like I was scared to let go,

442
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, I didn't even realize that

443
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 3: that was the part that was actually hurting me. And

444
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: once I did do it, it was like this huge

445
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 3: relief and I could actually move forward and start to

446
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: explore new opportunities and new environments. But it wasn't really

447
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 3: the soccer that was holding me back, like, oh, I

448
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: want to keep playing, but they're pushing me out, you know,

449
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: like those thoughts go through your head. But what ended

450
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: up really being it wasn't the soccer. It was it

451
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 3: was the me of still holy onto something that just

452
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: wasn't for me anymore. And once I did let it go, Wow,

453
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: it was just such a relief and a completely different feeling.

454
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 3: And I just feel like a completely different person than

455
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: I did than even like four or five months ago.

456
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: And it's just freeing to note that. But it's also

457
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: just so hard to get to that point.

458
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of people in my life

459
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, myself included at certain

460
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: points where it's like, even if you know that maybe

461
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: the thing isn't for you anymore, if it's the thing

462
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: you've always known, going away from it means you have

463
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: to find out what the new thing is, and that's terrifying.

464
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: Even if you're not perfectly happy or things aren't right

465
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: where you are. It's like there's a saying, I think

466
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: it's the misery of I'm gonna forget it, but it's

467
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: essentially like you'd rather have the misery of what you

468
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: know than the uncomfortableness of what you don't or something

469
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: like that.

470
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 2: Correct, But yeah, I think I think a lot of

471
00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: people go through that.

472
00:25:59,800 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: You know.

473
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I have to ask, are there any parallels for you

474
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: to the end of your national career, because I imagine

475
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 1: you felt like you had more to offer there that

476
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: you weren't ready to say goodbye to that yet.

477
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: Either.

478
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: You played a lot of minutes at the twenty sixteen Olympics,

479
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: you played kind of sparingly in twenty seventeen, and you

480
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: didn't get a call up after that, but you were

481
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: only thirty years old. You had so much else that

482
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: you could have done with that team. You refocused and

483
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: set goals for the NWSL. You've had years of a

484
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: great career after your national team career ended, But did

485
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: you feel that way at all in that moment as well?

486
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: Where you had to get to a point where you

487
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 1: could close the door on that and be okay that

488
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: that wasn't for you anymore totally.

489
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: And it took me a long time to be able

490
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: to let that go. It took me way longer to

491
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: be able to like let go my national team dreams.

492
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: And I was really bitter for a long time about it,

493
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: mainly because I had an injury that went undiagnosed or

494
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: misdiagnosed for a long time, and because of that, I

495
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 3: was playing through injury when I shouldn't have been and

496
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,239
Speaker 3: needed a surgery, And because of that, my play was

497
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: not up to the standard that it usually was, and

498
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: so that got held against me, and that sucks, but

499
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: that's also life. So I held onto that for a

500
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: really long time, and I don't really think that I

501
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: got over that until I met Jason and really started

502
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 3: working through like a lot of my stuff and was

503
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: able to be more in the moment and enjoy what

504
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: I have. And when I started doing that, I saw

505
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: my play kind of take this leap that I haven't

506
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: seen it take in a long time, and that was

507
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: really cool. And I kind of realigned all of my

508
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: goals and all of the things that I wanted to

509
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 3: do with soccer and with my life and realized that

510
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: there was a few things that were really important for me,

511
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: and none of them were about winning, and none of

512
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: them were about being on the national team.

513
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild when that happens. Huh uh huh.

514
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so then I think because I went through

515
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: that experience, this experience with the Thorns, it wasn't easier,

516
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: but I was able to get to a point where

517
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: I was okay faster because I had a coping mechanism

518
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: and I had people in my life that could really help,

519
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: and I was able to see the blessings as opposed

520
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: to all of the row the so called wrongs that

521
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: were perpetrated against me, you know, at my age, things

522
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: that I have. So yeah, And and one thing that

523
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: I also realized too is that, like you know, I'm

524
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: left back, right, and I've been left back on the

525
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: Thorns for nine seasons, and eight of them I started

526
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: every single game that I was available, and that was

527
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: my position. But what I realized is that it's not

528
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: minus nobody's you know, it's not anybody's it. Eventually, even

529
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: if I kept playing and I played till forty five,

530
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: somebody else is going to play that position eventually, and

531
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: it's not theirs. You know, it doesn't belong to anybody.

532
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: It's not mine. And I think that I had this like, oh,

533
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: it's something to lose, it's something to lose. But it

534
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: was never mine in the first.

535
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: Place, right, right, And you weren't owed it either, So

536
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: when it wasn't yours, then it wasn't a persecution. It

537
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: was a decision rather right or wrong, but just a decision,

538
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: and the result was that you weren't playing there anymore.

539
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: It's really hard to work through, especially when you're in it,

540
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: and especially when you feel like the culture is not

541
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: exactly you know, what you spent all of your time building.

542
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: And regardless, I I just feel like I do feel

543
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: like with players who are getting older, who are injured,

544
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: who maybe aren't going to make the level that they

545
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: need to, we need a bit more compassion for them

546
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 3: because they have put their heart and soul into this.

547
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: And I think that players all they deserve is respect

548
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: and honesty, and I feel like if we give them that,

549
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: they may still be upset, but it's something that they

550
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: will be able to live with because that's just like,

551
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: that's just the way that it is. But I feel

552
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: like when people get uncomfortable, they start telling like not

553
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: lies necessarily, but they'll frame it in a way that

554
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: seems really rosy, but it's just not the way that

555
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: it is. And I think that, you know, to get

556
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: the best out of our athletes, we need to be

557
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: upfront with them and allow them to go through through

558
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 3: those feelings. Allow them to be angry with the situation

559
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: with you if they need to be, and then work

560
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: through it. That's just life, and that will allow them

561
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: to be their best selves and it will allow the

562
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: team to be its best because if we just don't

563
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: allow them to go through that process, then they're going

564
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: to be stuck in perpetuity just being bitter or just

565
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: being mad.

566
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: Well to your point too, the moments that you couldn't

567
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: get past your ego, you weren't that helpful to the team,

568
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: But when you were able to accept the situation as

569
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: for what it was, then you could find a way

570
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: to be someone who is additive even from the bench.

571
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: So if you're transparent with people.

572
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: And they know their new role and can learn to

573
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: embrace it, they can still add something. But if they're

574
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: in a state of confusion or anger, they don't feel

575
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: like they're being communicated with, they're probably not given much

576
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: back other than energy.

577
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: That's bad for everybody else, correct, Yeah, and some.

578
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: People can still overcome that because they just want to

579
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: be good for the team. But why like, let's help them,

580
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: Let's help everybody, regardless of their on field contributions, because

581
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 3: quite frankly, everybody on that team is going to make

582
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: it successful or not, whether they're playing or not.

583
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: You know, you keep talking about the culture there. Do

584
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: you think it has more to do with just the

585
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: changing makeup of the roster. Do you think it's ownership?

586
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it's something that should still be addressed

587
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: for the players there now or just wasn't a fit

588
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: for you, Like if you were in charge over there,

589
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: would you be addressing the stuff that you didn't think

590
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: was working right last year for the current team.

591
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: Let me first say that I think the players were great.

592
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: I think that it was a great locker room. I

593
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: think people absolutely put their heart and soul into it.

594
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: I think that they were respectful and kind to one another,

595
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: and I really enjoyed being around all the players on

596
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: the team, so let's put them out there first. But

597
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: I do think though, that clearly something wasn't working because

598
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: that team had so much talent and we ended up

599
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: being the lowest finish I think in the history of

600
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: the club. So I would immediately address that. And I

601
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: do think it is a culture issue. I think there

602
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: was a really difficult transition from the old owners to

603
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: the new owners, and I think that the things that

604
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: I wanted to prioritize was not something that the people

605
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: were in charge wanted to prioritize. And I don't think

606
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: that the things that they want to prioritize will make

607
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: them successful, but that's my.

608
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: Opinion, and what kind of things.

609
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: I think that people are more interested then creating a

610
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: brand that's going to be like successful and is going

611
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: to be like world renown, which is great, that's great,

612
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: but I think that that comes from the team doing well.

613
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: And I think that comes from the team being taken

614
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: care of and playing with joy and playing with freedom,

615
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 3: and like creating an environment where they can be themselves

616
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: and like be their best selves. And I think it's

617
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: about finding players. Like we had great players in the team,

618
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: but I just think sometimes the way that they wanted

619
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: certain players to play didn't fit who they were, and

620
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: then they were trying to play the way that somebody

621
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 3: else wanted them to play, which happens all the time, right,

622
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that they're going to be the

623
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: best that they can be because they're just not in

624
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: a space to be. But they need so.

625
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you can get buy in for a different

626
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: style and a different approach, but then people have to

627
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: really be sold on why they're doing it and trust

628
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: you and want to follow you. And then if it's

629
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: not exactly what they would normally do, they could still

630
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: thrive in it if they believe in it, but you

631
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: have to get there absolutely.

632
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: And then I just think that if the player isn't

633
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: the one that you need to be in that system,

634
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: then you need to communicate that to them and then

635
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 3: bring in the player that is going to be the

636
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: one that fits in that system. Because I know when

637
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: we were successful, like in twenty twenty one with Mark

638
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: Parsons and that group that was playing there, we were

639
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: incredibly talented and there was also other teams in the

640
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: world that probably had more talent that we did, but

641
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: we were all so bought into what we were doing,

642
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: the culture, the tactics, how we were going to go

643
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: about it, and if something wasn't working, we would all

644
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: work together to be able to fix that. And we

645
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: were given that platform to like work on it and

646
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: problem solve together. And that was one of the things

647
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: that I was like so like most proud of building.

648
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: And then I just feel like that wasn't the way

649
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: that it was going to be moving forward.

650
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: Right, we got to take a quick break more with

651
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: Kling after this. So you're out now with you know,

652
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: might join another team, might be done.

653
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: You're figuring it all out. But you've got got this

654
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: quality about you. You're a natural.

655
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: Leader, you're entertainer, You fight for others, you stand up

656
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: for the queer community.

657
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: You have all this vibe. You have tons of vibes

658
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: and energy. Bud you do you do?

659
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: You just bring, like like you said, joy to every

660
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: where you go, even in talking about deep and hard things.

661
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: It's joyful when someone could share that part of themselves

662
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: because it makes other people feel understood and scenes. So

663
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: where are you going to bring all that good stuff

664
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: in the next stage of life, where do you want

665
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: to shine that light?

666
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: That's the question, isn't it. That's the question. I told

667
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: my partner Ingrid. She's wonderful, by the way. I need

668
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: to give her a shout out because she's just the best.

669
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: But she started her own business, the New Savant, and

670
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 3: it's Fragrant Business, and it's just been really fun watching

671
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 3: her do that and really inspiring. And anyways, shout out

672
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 3: to Ingrid. That's all I want to say. But for

673
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: this next year, I committed to being uncomfortable, and I

674
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: decided that I don't want to have any job that

675
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to lock myself into when I'm just not

676
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 3: ready for that yet. And so I I'm just trying

677
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff. This is the year that I'm

678
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: going to explore. I'm doing media, I'm trying coaching, I'm

679
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: trying all kinds of different stuff playing and basically, I

680
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: just really want to figure out something like soccer that

681
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: makes me tick, that really gets me up in the morning,

682
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: something that helps me move towards my why, and that

683
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: will be That's just what I'm going to be doing

684
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: this year is kind of figuring that out. And I

685
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: actually just went to Italy. My family is from there,

686
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: and I was I went totally solo, just by myself,

687
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: two weeks in Rome and Naples and Florence, and I

688
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: was calling it my eight Gay Love Tour, and I

689
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: I just was like eating a bunch of pasta and

690
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: pizza and drinking apparel spritzes and talking to people. All

691
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 3: I did was talk to people, because even when I'm alone,

692
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: I loved chatting with people. And so I booked all

693
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: of these tours by myself and just really stepped into

694
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: that of comfortableness and just made friends on all these

695
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: tours and got their Instagram handles and their emails and

696
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: their everything, and so it was really nice because what

697
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: I realized, and I've known this all along, but sometimes

698
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 3: it's hard when you're just seeing this constant negative news,

699
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: is that people are kind and people want community and

700
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: people want to connect, and so it was really nice

701
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: to connect with people.

702
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: I would watch that show, by the way, you know,

703
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: Eat Gay Love.

704
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: If you make a digital show called Eat Gay Love

705
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: and you just go around the world and you're like

706
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: everybody's favorite queer, that's like.

707
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: Hey, let me go somewhere where they might not like

708
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: me up too bad? You like me?

709
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: You like me?

710
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: I would watch that. Yeah, just weird full gave great Sarah.

711
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to North Korea.

712
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: No, No, I think there are some places we can

713
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: cross off the list and we will provide you with

714
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: a really big bodyguard just in case people are like, Nope,

715
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: we still don't like.

716
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: To the friendly places.

717
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: If you don't start there, let's start there.

718
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned media though you had your show

719
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: My New Favorite Football lista podcast that you hosted for

720
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: NBC Sports. First, I want to just ask, like, what

721
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: made you want to tell stories the way you did?

722
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: You really got into things like cancer and grief and

723
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: mental health. When you were approached with the idea of

724
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: doing a show, did you offer up that that's how

725
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: you wanted to do it.

726
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: Well. The thing about NBC that was so great is

727
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: that they were so collaborative, and so I wasn't the

728
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 3: official host. They were looking at a couple different people,

729
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 3: and I was like, going on this call, am I agent?

730
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: He's awesome. He presented it as like I already got

731
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: this job, but I didn't, and so I thought that

732
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: I had the job. I show up on this call

733
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: with all these NBC execs and producers and everything, and

734
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 3: I'm like spouting off all these ideas of what we

735
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: should do and how we should do it. They were like,

736
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: this is great, this is so great. So meanwhile, it

737
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: could have like totally gone to another person and I

738
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: would have just given them all of these ideas. I

739
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: feel like that kind of shows you, like when you

740
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: really commit to something and you're not trying to gatekeep

741
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: that things can't really work out for you, which they did.

742
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 3: And it was so fun because when you are a

743
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: celebrity in the soccer space, in a sports space, people

744
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: think only of you in that space. They don't think

745
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: of you as this multifaceted person who has wants and

746
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 3: dreams and cares and that are totally separate from soccer.

747
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: And we wanted to show that, and I thought we

748
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: did a really great job showcasing people's the things that

749
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: they were they cared about most outside of the game,

750
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: and the things that meant the most to them, and

751
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: really showed such a human side of who they are.

752
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: And it was really wonderful, especially doing ones with my friends,

753
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: especially seeing them open up in ways that they haven't

754
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: on camera and in public spaces or haven't felt comfortable doing.

755
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: And I felt like I was able to provide a

756
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 3: safe space where they were able to do that. And

757
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: watching open up in that way and talk about her

758
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: grief and talk about mental health because that's something that

759
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: she cared about because of her friend was really beautiful.

760
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: And I actually have had people come up to me

761
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: and say, hey, we've played your podcast. We've played your

762
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: episode with Sophie Smith to our whole entire team because

763
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: they've been struggling with mental health health and we needed

764
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: a way to show them that it's okay to talk

765
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: about these things. Everybody goes through this, even people that

766
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: are older, even people that you think have the world

767
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: by the yes. And that was one of the coolest

768
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: things that I never expected, having people come up and

769
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 3: say that and felt like, we really need an impact

770
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: that way you did.

771
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: Is the show coming back?

772
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

773
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I think theres just like you.

774
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: I think that the NBC will do the show again.

775
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: Will I be the host? I'm not sure. I'd love

776
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: to be the host again. I had such a blast

777
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 3: doing that. But let's see, fingers crossed.

778
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: Just show up again, act as if you already got

779
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: the job.

780
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: I should, I really should.

781
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: We're running out of time, but I have a couple

782
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: of last things that I really quickly want to ask

783
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: you about. So I know you founded re Ink with Tobinheath,

784
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: Kristen Press, and Meghan Rapino, or you still have involved

785
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: in that or working in that.

786
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 3: You know, it's really Kristin and Tobin that are doing

787
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: the heavy lifting. I'm still on the board and I

788
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 3: help out in a lot of like high level ways

789
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: in that space. But no, I'm not doing as much

790
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 3: heavy lifting as I was at the beginning. But that's okay.

791
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: I think they're doing a great job and it really

792
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 3: hasn't Like I realized that clothing wasn't really the thing

793
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: that was inspiring to me, and it was for them,

794
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 3: and so it felt like a really smart thing to

795
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: do was have them be at the front pushing it

796
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: forward because it's the thing that they cared about the most.

797
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we recently had Christine Sinclair on the show to

798
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: talk about Canada's new pro league, the NSL, longtime teammate

799
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: of yours, one of the greats. I need you to

800
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: quickly tell us about when you almost ruined your friendship

801
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: over a spilled Margarita in a runaway golf cart.

802
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: Okay, Sarah, that was so fun. We still talk about

803
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: it all the time. She still holds it against me.

804
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 3: I don't care. There's this golf tournament that the Timbers

805
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: did that was kind of a co branded thing where

806
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: it was a stand together at golf event where people

807
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: would go and then they pay to play, and then

808
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: obviously that money goes to the charity and they get

809
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: paired with certain people or whatever. And so me and

810
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: Sinkie were in the same pairing and we were having

811
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: such a blest. We I don't know how I ended

812
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: up being the person that was the golf card driver,

813
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: but I was, and it was incredible. So we saw

814
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: we were only playing nine holes, but we ended up

815
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: playing eighteen, and we drank as if we were playing

816
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: nine holes instead of eighteen, which, as you can imagine,

817
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: is a real issue. So we got them ore and

818
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: by the way, everybody was buying our drinks. I don't

819
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: think I'd bought one drink while I was there, So they.

820
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: Don't count if you don't pay for them.

821
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: So that's probably why you had too many, because you

822
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: weren't counting.

823
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: I never said too many. I just said, oh.

824
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: Right, I'm so sorry. Yes, an appropriate amount for nine holes, you're.

825
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: Right and inappropriate. Yeah, and it was an inappropriate amount whatever. Anyway,

826
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: so we have our Margarita's in hand, and I decided,

827
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: I think on the ninth hole, that I was gonna

828
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: drive a little bit crazy. And so we got a

829
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: little lost on our way to the ninth hole, and

830
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: I had to make some quick maneuvers to get us

831
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: back on track. So what happened was we started going

832
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: down this hill and I didn't realize that there was

833
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: there was a path, but I didn't realize there was

834
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 3: what are those on the side.

835
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: Like the little flags that tell you you're not supposed

836
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: to drive there.

837
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: No, it was more like like the stones that.

838
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: Like okay, right, like like.

839
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: We're sidewalk is like, you know, the curb, the curb.

840
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: There was a curbb So I'm coming down this hill

841
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: and like we're going way faster than the golf cart

842
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: should actually go because we're going down a hill. So

843
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: we hit the first one and it's like and our

844
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 3: Margarita's are like you know, and it's like whoa, but

845
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: it goes back in. Then we hit the second curb

846
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 3: and it wasn't shinkx Margarita, but it was my own

847
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 3: Margarita that's spilled on Sink's lap. And I was and

848
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, and I'm laughing so

849
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: hard and she is so pissed. But I could not

850
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: even keep in my laughter. I couldn't. And I think

851
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: that she got extra mad because I couldn't stop.

852
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: Laughing right right, And she had nine holes with Margarita

853
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: lap also, But I I.

854
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: Got her another Margarita.

855
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: That wasn't the problem. I don't think totally. Well, I

856
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: think that was the problem, but it was a problem.

857
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: But then that the next Margarita made her forget it.

858
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: Okay, good, along with other things. Okay, last question for

859
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: you very quickly. I could not believe I had not

860
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: heard this before. But when you were with the Dash,

861
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: the team had a host family program and you and

862
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Morgan Brian lived with Jeff van Gundy and his family.

863
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: This is mind blowing to meet Jeff van Gundy.

864
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: For those not familiar, like longtime NBA coach broadcaster, I'm

865
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: obsessed with his brother Stan. I don't know Jeff as much,

866
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: but Stan is just the best guy. I need one

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Speaker 1: good story from living with Jeff van Gundy and his family.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, there's so many good stories. But I

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Speaker 3: guess the thing that would just bring it all together

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Speaker 3: is that we would have pancakes Sundays and literally every Sunday,

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Speaker 3: we would just make pancakes together. And uh, just I

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Speaker 3: would be in charge of the bacon because that's when

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Speaker 3: I ate meat, So I would be in charge of

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Speaker 3: the bacon. I would make it extra crispy for everyone.

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Speaker 3: Kim has wife would be in charge of the pancakes,

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Speaker 3: and Jeff would be in charge of eating everything.

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Speaker 2: What was Morgan doing nothing was.

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Speaker 3: Maybe cutting the fruit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, good job, somebody needs that job.

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Speaker 1: I just I already liked him, but the idea that

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Speaker 1: he and his family would host women soccer players and

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Speaker 1: I presume a nice mansion because he'd been a very

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Speaker 1: successful coach, Like, that's that's very nice.

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Speaker 2: How long did you live there?

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Speaker 3: I lived there almost two years? To be fair, they're

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Speaker 3: very Yeah, they're very down to earth people. They're just

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Speaker 3: so kind. We still keep in touch.

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Speaker 2: Good family, really good family, and fun.

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Speaker 3: They're really fun, very fun.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine.

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Speaker 1: Also, if anyone wants to know what the NWSL was like,

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Speaker 1: in the early years, professional women athletes were living in

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Speaker 1: the family home of random people because of the amount

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Speaker 1: of money for housing and whatnot. Anyway, Megan, I mean literally,

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Speaker 1: I could talk to you forever. I've already taken up

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Speaker 1: way too much of your time, but it's so fun

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Speaker 1: to catch up.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to see what you do next.

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Speaker 1: But no, Rush, I think you should be writing down notes,

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Speaker 1: by the way, all year about your adventures and explorations.

901
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Speaker 1: Really take an exploratory, scientific approach to like when am

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Speaker 1: I happiest, am I around people or not? Am I

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Speaker 1: traveling or not? Am I creative or not? And that'll

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Speaker 1: help you, you know, figure out what's next.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and I will take all the

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Speaker 3: advice I can get from somebody definitely who's been through it,

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Speaker 3: who's done it, and somebody that I respect. So thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. And it's been really fun being on

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Speaker 3: the show. Even though you made me talk about hard subjects.

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Speaker 2: My bad, you liked it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Kling for taking the time, such a

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Speaker 1: great conversation.

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Speaker 2: We got to take another break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: A teammate turns trophy wife. Welcome, Max slices quick shout

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Speaker 1: out to Super Slice. Hey guy Alitzer, who let me

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Speaker 1: know that I misused the British phrase chuffed in Tuesday show.

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Speaker 2: I swear y'all every time I hear it.

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Speaker 1: I think it means miffed, but chuffed actually means pleased.

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Speaker 1: So my apologies to Britz and others who are surely

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Speaker 1: miffed and definitely not chuffed by my butchering of their vernacular.

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Speaker 1: And also thank you a guy for the reminder of

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Speaker 1: two other great British phrases, shambalic which means chaotic and disorganized,

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Speaker 1: and rgi bargie, which means like quarreling or disagreement between people.

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Speaker 1: I really need to start using those regularly argie bargie

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Speaker 1: and shambalic, and of course also subsumed.

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Speaker 2: We love that you're.

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Speaker 1: Listening, but we always want you to get in the

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Speaker 1: game every day too, So here's your good gameplay of

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Speaker 1: the day. Keep sending us your terms for the Good

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Speaker 1: Game glossary Ahead of episode two hundred, we're gathering all

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Speaker 1: so send us what you think must be included. Plus

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Speaker 1: we want to know what too, and only two episodes

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Speaker 1: It's easy watch Megan Klingenberg's twenty twenty one Halloween costume

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Speaker 1: rating ten out of ten, absolutely no notes review. In

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Speaker 1: preparation for our conversation, I did a little deep dive

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Speaker 1: on Megan's social and yes, I scrolled all the way

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Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty one. She doesn't post all that

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Speaker 1: often though, so I'm not a full stage five clinger,

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Speaker 1: but close anyway. All the scrolling was worth it, y'all,

952
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: because she dressed as a dapper old man for Halloween

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Speaker 1: Caine mustache, giant gray eyebrows, and then teammate Kelly Hubbley

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Speaker 1: dressed as a gold digging trophy wife, complete with an

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Speaker 1: actual trophy and the caption for Megan Reid's quote, my

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00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: wife of fifty two years passed away six years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that Chastity has filled that giant

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Speaker 1: size hole in my heart end quote, like Midge Purse commented,

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Speaker 1: not Chastity. It's too good, y'all. We'll post the link

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Speaker 1: in our show notes so you could check it out.

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Speaker 1: Now it's your turn, rate and review, come a, give

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Speaker 1: us five stars, tell us you love us, Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Good game, Cling, good game, daffodils, letting us know springs.

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Speaker 1: Finally here you people who still think you're in high school.

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Speaker 1: But then you know, at some point in your mid

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Speaker 1: twenties when you spot your first forehead wrinkle, and in

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Speaker 1: your early thirties when the grays start coming in, then

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Speaker 1: I guess it's thank you. Thank you, people who still

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Speaker 1: think you're in high school. Good Game with Sarah Spain

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Speaker 1: Production by Wonder Media Network. Our producers are Alex Azzie

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