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Speaker 2: Brief Recess is a smart, funny, and deeply insightful look

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Speaker 1: It's hosted by attorney and viral TikTok star Michael Foot

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Speaker 1: and his best friend Melissa Malbranch. They bring humor and

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Speaker 3: Goodbye, Welcome to brief Ress sigm Michael Foot.

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Speaker 4: I'm Melissa Albranch.

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Speaker 3: Today we're going to be talking about the last time

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Speaker 3: I was ever seen in public and a romper, Melissa's

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Speaker 3: last time out in the state sale, the Ditty Trial,

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Speaker 3: the time Melissa had to talk to her mother about

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Speaker 3: water sports. Monica Lewinsky deep dives into cases about special

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Speaker 3: immigration juvenile status, an interview with Congressman Robert Garcia, and

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Speaker 3: all the questions you send me in my DMS. I'm

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Speaker 3: Michael Foot. I'm a criminal defense lawyer and an immigration

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Speaker 3: attorney here in New York City. I am the first

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Speaker 3: thing you see in the morning and the last thing

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Speaker 3: you see before your husband disappears. Melissa, would you like

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Speaker 3: to introduce herself.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe you just said that. My name is

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Speaker 4: Melissa Malbrandt. I am absolutely positively not a lawyer. I

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Speaker 4: stand by that. I had been working in the nonprofit

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Speaker 4: space for about twenty five years now, and Michael and

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Speaker 4: I met, i'd say about ten years ago. We've been

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Speaker 4: really good friends ever since.

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Speaker 3: You called me when your cat died, and that's how

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Speaker 3: I knew we were close friends, or Cat was dying

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Speaker 3: and New called me and star your husband.

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Speaker 4: I did because I knew that you would understand what

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Speaker 4: I was going through, but you wouldn't be as emotional

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Speaker 4: about it as my husband.

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Speaker 3: People often come to me when they want a direct,

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Speaker 3: emotionless answer, unless it's like a Saturday night and I've

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Speaker 3: been drinking.

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Speaker 4: In Brooklyn and eaton taco bell.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be talking about all sorts of legal

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Speaker 3: things that come up in the headlines. I've really wanted

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Speaker 3: to start this show with my best from Melissa because

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Speaker 3: there are so many long form things I can't talk

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Speaker 3: about on social media, and people love coming to like

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Speaker 3: my feeds to learn a little something about what's happening

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Speaker 3: with immigration law, what's going on in court. But I

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Speaker 3: can't really expand or they can. It's hard for me

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Speaker 3: to answer all their questions. So you'll hear a lot

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Speaker 3: on this show. We constantly are going to be returning

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Speaker 3: to this notion of like, what can we be doing right?

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Speaker 3: Like I hate the concept of doom scrolling. I hate

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Speaker 3: the notion that people aren't like supporting each other. I

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Speaker 3: hate this idea that like, oh, we're descending into fascism

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Speaker 3: and like that's it. It was like a think piece.

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Speaker 3: I hate that idea. I want people to feel empowered

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Speaker 3: to sort of like flex their democratic muscles to affect

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Speaker 3: going to a small protest, even if it's like working

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Speaker 3: and volunteering at like your food bank, and sort of

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Speaker 3: like looking at the headline, seeing what's happening and then

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Speaker 3: explaining what's going on and then exactly what you can

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Speaker 3: that sucks, onto the next article, right exactly. So I

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Speaker 3: could never do like a full romper situation.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've seen you in a romper, and

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's true at all. You were out

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Speaker 4: here on these streets this morning. Andre asked me if

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Speaker 3: Okay, murder on the dance floor, Jesus Christ, Andre, that

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Speaker 4: No, no, So Andre? Is I mean, you know, Andrea

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Speaker 4: very conservative little man and like dresses like everybody's dad. Yes,

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Speaker 4: so like anything out of the ordinary.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I've given him some things that don't

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Speaker 3: to him. You have not. I feel like I've given

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Speaker 4: I feel like that might be your other black friend

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Speaker 4: that you've given things.

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Speaker 3: Okay, immediately instantly racist, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean no, not racist. I mean I feel like I

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Speaker 4: They have like two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now I understand. I'm the only gay friend for

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they're like, get the gay one at.

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Speaker 4: The wedding, get that who, get the party started?

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Speaker 3: Get No, we need someone who's looking cute at them.

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Speaker 4: Something nice, something like a good dress.

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Speaker 3: What's his name again? Mark?

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Speaker 4: It's like, you're not Mike, Like you're not Mike.

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Speaker 3: I am Mike to a very specific group of people,

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Speaker 3: and one demographic calls me Mike. I'm going to give

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is it somebody from like your childhood.

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Speaker 3: It's the guy fixing my dishwasher. It's like the guy

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Speaker 4: They don't know you. Yeah, the name is Michael.

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Speaker 3: No. No, It's like my dad's friends. It's like people

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Speaker 3: It's a very long island thing.

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Speaker 4: Okay. People randomly call me Michelle for no good reason.

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Speaker 3: I've called you way worse than Michelle behind your back,

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Speaker 3: into your face. What did you do this weekend? Well,

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Speaker 3: you were working at the garage.

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Speaker 4: I was, yeah, I changed the carburetor.

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Speaker 3: Brad will look me right in the eye and be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Professor Plumm is joining us if I'm wearing like a

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Speaker 3: sweater and a time just Christ, it's actually so diabolical.

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Speaker 3: I don't catch strays in my house. I catch them

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Speaker 4: What I do this weekend? So this is wardrobe changing

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Speaker 4: time for me? So I do this by annually.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Melissa loves a good I do a good closet

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Speaker 3: cleanout special.

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Speaker 4: But I like, I recorded something and I was going

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Speaker 4: to post the TikTok. But I'm not like you. I

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Speaker 3: If you're thinking about posting something to TikTok, my number

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Speaker 3: one rule, don't be precious with it, post it unedited,

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Speaker 4: I am not precious yet. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: that's not it. It's just a mess. But I was

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Speaker 4: just like, I am actually embarrassed at the amount of

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Speaker 3: It is, But those are the videos that everyone loves.

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Speaker 3: Those are the videos of mine that blow up when

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's hey, I had to pick up a

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Speaker 3: that's mesh because it's Pride month and I ended up

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Speaker 3: having to go to the precinct and and it's always

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't I actually don't care if the

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Speaker 4: but I don't care. But I care that I feel

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Speaker 4: like I have become victim to over consuming, right, and

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Speaker 4: to be fair, I do buy a lot of thrifted items.

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Speaker 4: You know, we know I love in the States sales,

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Speaker 4: so it's not but I do buy things. Also, let

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Speaker 4: me just be.

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Speaker 3: Clear about that. Yeah, and no judgment here. I'm a

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Speaker 4: I am judging myself, okay, judging my line.

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Speaker 3: I am where disposable income goes to meet its disposal.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be that person.

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Speaker 3: But there's a difference between not wanting to be someone

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Speaker 4: I know myself and I am a bitch with too

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Speaker 4: much shit.

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Speaker 3: And not enough space. You do have storage, so.

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Speaker 4: That's the thing, right, is that every year I pack

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so that is actually cry for help. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I need someone to come in and tell me what

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Speaker 3: I'll do it.

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Speaker 4: No, you sorry, I need somebody who's known.

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Speaker 3: I love that. My friends don't want to They're like,

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Speaker 4: They're like, get fuck you will because you will enable me?

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Speaker 3: No, yes, I I throw everything out. I'm like, Brad,

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Speaker 3: this has been here for a week. It is a

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Speaker 3: it's our tax return. I think we should either you know,

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Speaker 3: this can't be sitting here.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you would come over and we just

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Speaker 3: I feel like it would turn into a runway. I

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Speaker 3: do think that we would probably do some sort of

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Speaker 4: I don't want that.

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Speaker 3: Actually comment below. If you do want to see me

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Speaker 3: go to Melissa's house, we do a full wardrobe. I

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Speaker 3: could yeah, we could do different out there.

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Speaker 4: Who wants to help me take a good long heard

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Speaker 4: look at my wardrobe and be like, bitch, you're never

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Speaker 3: And if you want to enable this dysfunction police comment

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Speaker 4: This is actually a cry for help to no.

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Speaker 3: I think we do a link and people then can

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Speaker 3: then donate to our and then we see how much

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Speaker 4: I'm not asking anybody for money work, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: This is and this is this is how you get

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Speaker 3: a head life. Maybe actually speaking of I saw Alyssa

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Speaker 4: We love her.

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Speaker 3: How do we describe Alissa? Describe Alyssa for the viewers

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Speaker 3: at home? Alyssa is our very very close mutual friend.

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Speaker 4: She's like a really good friend. If you want to

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Speaker 4: do something because Alissa is down for whatever, Yes, she's

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Speaker 4: down for whatever. Hey Alissa, let's go to croat show. Yes?

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Speaker 3: And I do I get the sense that like her.

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Speaker 3: Her doorman like doesn't know what she looks like because

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Speaker 3: she's never home, like she's always out like she's she's

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Speaker 3: never out in these streets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to tell you I track Alyssa.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, because for her own safety.

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Speaker 4: Her own I'm not even for her own safety. I

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Speaker 4: am oftentimes worried about where she is. Has anybody seen

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Speaker 4: her where?

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Speaker 4: Ass any part of how did he got in trouble?

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Speaker 4: Just cross the day line.

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Speaker 3: Yes, a legend. She is every woman.

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Speaker 4: Cut to Diddy, and my mom is just like.

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Speaker 4: Also really into like the what's his name Johnny depp

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Speaker 3: This is before this was when it was first really

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Speaker 3: Home, wasn't it. It wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean it didn't end well for him. I mean

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Speaker 3: Than those those If someone drew a sketch of me

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Speaker 3: Let me I haven't heard someone say you reap what

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Speaker 4: You re what your saw, You read what you said.

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Speaker 3: That is such a that's an American farmer subsidy. Shout

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Speaker 4: So her whole thing was he's definitely going to jail.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, And Melissa called me and told me this, and

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Speaker 4: I had the most uncomfortable conversation with my mother about

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Speaker 3: This was in her mind make it clear this was

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Speaker 4: Was the crime. And I was trying to explain to

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Speaker 3: No, Melissa, she's she's rewriting the legislation she was sports

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Speaker 4: A federal people don't like that. And I was just like,

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Speaker 3: I should also process.

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Speaker 4: This is why he should go to jail. She deserves it,

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Speaker 4: My mom was upset that Monica Lewinsky has had like

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Speaker 4: keep your mouth shuts like firmly? So this is who?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I might I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: Can I know?

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Speaker 3: I'm I'll text you the details. It's like it is

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if I can like sneak someone in.

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Speaker 3: But I won't bring you to the Drag Queen's birthday.

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Speaker 3: I will bring you to meet Monica.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like pick and choose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's equally you know, I.

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Speaker 4: Think if I have to choose, i'd rather meet Monica.

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Speaker 3: But Diddy. The thing about that I was just so

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Speaker 4: I'm Michael Foot, I'm Melissa Albrand.

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Speaker 3: This is under Earth. We're going to take a deep

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Speaker 3: dive into a case. This one is actually really near

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Speaker 3: I pictured it. I thought it'd be cool to kind

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Speaker 3: it's a classic lawsuit that the ACLU filed against ICE,

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Speaker 3: effectively submitting a class action lawsuit of a group of

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Speaker 3: And we're not being given the opportunity to be bonded

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Speaker 4: Okay, And when you say minors, give me an idea.

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Speaker 3: and your lawyer are running around the city to all

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Speaker 3: sorts of different courts to get documentation, to get judgments,

443
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 3: to get rulings from judges so that you can bring

444
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Speaker 3: it back to immigration court and show them that like

445
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Speaker 3: you're doing your due diligence. For example, you usually have

446
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 3: to go to family court, which is like in a

447
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 3: different burrough sometimes where it takes a really long time

448
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: to get that hearing date. I've worked sedge cases. It's

449
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 3: taken years just to even get at like a date

450
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Speaker 3: for your application to be reviewed.

451
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, what happens if somebody because

452
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Speaker 4: if you said it takes years, sometimes what happens if

453
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Speaker 4: the person ages out while this is going on?

454
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Speaker 3: That's a great question. We're often dealing with, like hard deadlines.

455
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 3: I made a video recently about appeals and how we

456
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 3: sort of the deadline is when the application is received,

457
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 3: not when you submit it for certain things. So deadlines

458
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Speaker 3: are insane in any industry, but especially in immigration law.

459
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Speaker 3: The stakes are so high, right, So for SIDGE, it

460
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 3: is when it's filed. So even if there is a

461
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 3: backlog in the government agency that you're working with, as

462
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Speaker 3: long as it's the date that your attorney files it,

463
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 3: you're still below the requisite age. Okay, that is that's

464
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 3: like such an important question because sometimes people are not

465
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Speaker 3: sure about that.

466
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Speaker 4: But sure, so as long as the date that it

467
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Speaker 4: was submitted is before you've aged out, then your should

468
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Speaker 4: be okay in terms of moving forward with the case.

469
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Speaker 3: Exactly. So in this case, the plaintiffs are suing Ice

470
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 3: stating that they're being held without a bond, hearing and

471
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 3: that it violates their Fifth Amendment do process rates, So

472
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: they're not even given the opportunity to argue whether they

473
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Speaker 3: should be bonded out of a detention center. It is

474
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Speaker 3: developing law. By the time this episode airs, the law

475
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 3: might have changed. So the thing about this specifically is

476
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 3: that there was a recent ruling in September where if

477
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: you were not inspected so upon arrival in the US.

478
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Speaker 3: So let's say you arrived undocumented, you cross the border illegally,

479
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 3: you don't have standing to seek bond in court if

480
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Speaker 3: you are detained. So that is like a new thing.

481
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: It's still being hammered out, it's being appealed, like it's

482
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Speaker 3: going to work its way up through the courts. But

483
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 3: right now a lot of people are trying to get

484
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Speaker 3: bonded out who crossed the border illegally, and this new ruling,

485
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: this new case law that came down in September, has

486
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 3: sort of messed with that. So I have people reaching

487
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: out to me for bond and I'm like, I honestly

488
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: couldn't even file something for you if I wanted to,

489
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Speaker 3: or if I had time to.

490
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Speaker 4: So I mean, I just wonder what especially, you know

491
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Speaker 4: what happens to these people? I mean, especially talking about kids,

492
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Speaker 4: somebody who's the idea of somebody who's ten years old

493
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 4: is sort of in this purgatory. What happens to them?

494
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Speaker 3: It's a great question, and it's something that I think

495
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: needs more attention, especially in the media. I think oftentimes

496
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: immigration law is like, ooh, that's so complicated. Even lawyers

497
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: will call me, Like this woman called me and she

498
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: was like, the lady who does my nails just got arrested.

499
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer, but I don't know how to do

500
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 3: this stuff. Like immigration law is like one of the

501
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 3: most complicated areas of law, and it's because of the

502
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: decentralized nature of the government agencies that we're working with.

503
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Speaker 3: I mean, when I'm having someone fingerprinted, it gets sent

504
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: to North Dakota. When I file their BIA appeals, it

505
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: goes to Church Falls, Virginia, Like it makes absolutely no sence.

506
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Speaker 3: I think what sort of happens is especially in these cases,

507
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 3: like we're talking about child welfare here, like these are

508
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: children being locked up and that they're being detained for

509
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: an indeterminate amount of time. I think, like public perception,

510
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: public advocacy, people's people giving this any sort of energy

511
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Speaker 3: or attention. I think they'll sort of start to see,

512
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: like how many awful things happen in attention centers, right,

513
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 3: Like how many lawsuits are there around sexual violence attention centers?

514
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Speaker 3: So this is happening on us soil is I'm so

515
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Speaker 3: glad to see that there is a lawsuit because I

516
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: have to say, as an attorney, I'm really remiss reading

517
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Speaker 3: the headlines that there aren't a lot of people talking

518
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: about this. There aren't a lot of law firms taking

519
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: up cases and filing lawsuits like this. There's been a

520
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 3: chilling effect with the Trump administration where law firms are like,

521
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 3: we are not going to be suing, we are not

522
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: going after like they are afraid that they're going to be.

523
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Speaker 3: And what does it come down to. It comes down

524
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: to people's wallets, It comes down to the pocketbooks of

525
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: these big firms, and they're not going after the government

526
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: agencies and really having some sort of like stand right.

527
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Speaker 3: And it's helpful because it's like, I don't know, it

528
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Speaker 3: kind of gets to the heart of like being an

529
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Speaker 3: attorney for me, it's like why the fuck did you

530
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: do this? Then? Like there's so many like faster ways

531
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: to make money than being a lawyer, and you got

532
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: into this to not help people, to not do the

533
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 3: right thing, like we're supposed to be officers of the

534
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Speaker 3: court where people who are supposed to be like ensuring

535
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Speaker 3: justices served or seeking out justice or accountability is held

536
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Speaker 3: somewhere right, and to then be like, well, it's going

537
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: to hit our bottom line. We don't want to be

538
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 3: for the Trump administration. It's like, well, then who the

539
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: fuck are you? If you're not going to be doing that,

540
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Speaker 3: then what are you doing?

541
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Speaker 4: I wonder?

542
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Speaker 3: I'm excited I mean to be following this closely. I

543
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: do think there's a strong chance that there will be

544
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Speaker 3: some sort of at least partial relief for the plaintiffs,

545
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: mostly because the child welfare protections courts take that really

546
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Speaker 3: seriously and there is sort of a pretty do process

547
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 3: concern in this case. People not I'm gonna be watching

548
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: this close to the deceased, mostly because once there's a

549
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 3: decision made, my day to day job as an attorney

550
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: who handles bond hearings will change overnight. It will be

551
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Speaker 3: one of those rulings where I get to the courthouse

552
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: and what I'm doing that day is something different than

553
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: what I thought it was going to be and I'd

554
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Speaker 3: live for that ship because I am a messy bitch

555
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: and I do love a little bit of chaos every

556
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: now and then. I was born and raised by Alisa,

557
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: our most chaotic friend.

558
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Speaker 4: You're a Taurus.

559
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: We're both tourists. Yeah, I love that.

560
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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question. Yeah, they're in these

561
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Speaker 4: detention centers with Are.

562
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Speaker 3: They like segregated from adults. Yeah, that's actually a great question.

563
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: Anybody like I actually don't know because it is so

564
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: impossible for attorneys to access clients who are being held

565
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Speaker 3: at attention. It's actually such a pain in the ass

566
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Speaker 3: for me to even have all with the client who's detained.

567
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 3: And I sue. I was part of a lawsuit with

568
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: the ACLU a couple of years ago where we sued

569
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: because I was like bored one summer during COVID, so

570
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 3: I like worked with them. I'm sus and I basically

571
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: like feet. I broke both my feet jogging. Yes, it's

572
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: laid up in casts just and what I would do

573
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: is I would take a group of cases in different

574
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: detention centers around the country, and I would attempt to

575
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: get in contact with my client and then document how

576
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: difficult it was, and all I was one of the layers.

577
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: All that information got fed into this lawsuit and they

578
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: sued and one they were like, we like lawyers cannot

579
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 3: access their clients, so it's really hard. And detention centers

580
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: are intentionally outside of city limits. They're really far away

581
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 3: from a metropolis to ensure that people cannot access legal council.

582
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: They're They're usually in like a wasteland. I had to

583
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Speaker 3: go to one in I think it was like in Alabama,

584
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: and I had to fly into a different state. I

585
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: didn't want to drive, so I'm wealthy enough. I hired

586
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: a car to drive me there because I was like, God,

587
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be driving in the middle of

588
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 3: northern Georgia, Alabama. I had someone drive me just to

589
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: just for one hearing. It was crazy.

590
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just keep thinking the idea of a kid

591
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 4: being alone.

592
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: It's terrifying, and you know.

593
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 4: And somebody needs to be the voice for these kids.

594
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely. Yeah. I think that my clients who are

595
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: kids miners are the ones that I end up being

596
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: closest with as well, because they like a social worker

597
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: more than Yeah, totally.

598
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 4: Because they need the help more than any I mean,

599
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: obviously anybody who's.

600
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Speaker 3: A lot sometimes like the lawyer is like the parent

601
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: has trusted the lawyer to be there for that person.

602
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Speaker 4: I don't know that there are enough people who are

603
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: going to law school who get into it because they

604
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: really have this deep down desire to push the idea

605
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 4: of like social justice or just justice in general.

606
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: No, it's true.

607
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: That is I'm going to go to law school and

608
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 4: I am going to be a real estate lawyer because

609
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: I want to make a ton of money, you know

610
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean, I think it's wonderful that

611
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: you're thinking about it that way. And Michael is not alone.

612
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 4: I know there are a lot of it.

613
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: I'm also not perfect, Like no, no, no, no, it's very

614
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: easy to it's very easy to like lose your way,

615
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: like I have lost my way many times in life,

616
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: like as a lawyer, like even after graduation, where you know,

617
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: you do sort of get dazzled by the dollars or

618
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: you don't want to take that pro bono case because

619
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: you are too busy, or like life happens, like people

620
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: have families, like people get dogs, like uh, shake goes down, right,

621
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: And so I just feel like I don't know, I

622
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: want other lawyers to feel like it's cool for me

623
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, Michael, how do I get involved?

624
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: How'd you get started? You know? I get a lot

625
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: of messages like that where people are like, hey, like

626
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: how did you get your first? Like pro bone? Okay,

627
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: so how do you learn how to do this stuff? Like?

628
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: I wasn't always this psychopath that I am today?

629
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Speaker 4: No, I think you probably were always a psychopath, maybe

630
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: not the one that you want today, however.

631
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: I think knocks on the tour.

632
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: I think that to your point. I think sometimes there

633
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: comes a point in everybody's life where you're like, you

634
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: know what, I've done the thing that I'm going to do, right,

635
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: Like I went to college or not or whatever, and

636
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: now I have a job and I'm just sort of

637
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 4: like plugging away. I think about this a lot, right,

638
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: What is going to be my other thing that I

639
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: do that is helpful? I think there comes a moment

640
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: in your life where you're like, oh, you know what,

641
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to sit down. I'm going to think about

642
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 4: how I can help. And for you as an attorney,

643
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 4: you have this skill, you have this degree, and you

644
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: were like, you know what, I now have the time

645
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 4: and I'm now inclined.

646
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: When we talk to Congressman Garcia later, let's ask him.

647
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: You should ask him like what you can do, like

648
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: what the differences are, because I think that could be

649
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: cool to hear from someone in a position of power

650
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: in the government of like what they think their constituents

651
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: or just like civically engaged democrats can be doing to help.

652
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 4: What can we how can we be helped?

653
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: How do you help? Now? What do you what do

654
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: you do to I mean, I know, like you volunteer,

655
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: you go to protests, like you get involved. You are

656
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: like someone that I look to like you've helped me

657
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: find my way many times. But I don't know. I

658
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: think you're a wealth of advice and wisdom.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think so not speaking about sort of

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Speaker 4: like helping people who need but in terms of like

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Speaker 4: wealth of advice and wisdom. I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 4: what I think, no matter what, whether you want to

663
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Speaker 4: hear it or not. Right, Like, and I am a

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Speaker 4: big I told you so person, which is not my

665
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Speaker 4: best quality, but it is we are who we are,

666
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Speaker 4: right And what's really funny is that, like I don't

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Speaker 4: tell people I told them so nearly as often as

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Speaker 4: I want to. I like, keep it. I tamp it down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she does it is can't help it.

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Speaker 4: I can't help it.

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Speaker 3: You had fucking skywriting. I told you so for me

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Speaker 3: one day. Who the fuck do you think you are

673
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Speaker 3: in on my show?

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Speaker 4: Sorry because I get a tattoo.

675
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Speaker 3: Wait, oh, I would do that.

676
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: I told you so.

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Speaker 3: I've got it. Yeah, mine could just be she told

678
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Speaker 3: me so.

679
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Speaker 4: I told him so. In terms of helping, I will

680
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Speaker 4: say that, yes, I go to protest, and yes I will.

681
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Speaker 4: I'm big on like reaching out to my congress person.

682
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Speaker 4: I you know, I've sent letters to my governor and

683
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Speaker 4: my mayor. But I will tell you that I struggle

684
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Speaker 4: often with not knowing exactly what to do because I

685
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: feel like what I want to do is something that

686
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Speaker 4: I think will push the needle right, Like what can

687
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Speaker 4: I do? Who can I help? Even if it's like

688
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Speaker 4: one person, right, who can I help?

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Speaker 3: It's the thing of helpless, this that I think everyone

690
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Speaker 3: is feeling right now, even like someone who I'm very

691
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Speaker 3: much in a position to do something right, But.

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Speaker 4: You do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was out running, I was I was traveling,

694
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Speaker 3: and I was out jogging in my hometown and on

695
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Speaker 3: the corner of like the little main street and it's

696
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Speaker 3: like this like little tiny little town on Long Island.

697
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Speaker 3: There were all these retirees who had like no kings

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Speaker 3: posters and they were protesting. And I was talking to them.

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Speaker 3: It's the North Fork Women for Women Fund whips, that

700
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Speaker 3: is their name. I am not I'm not having a

701
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Speaker 3: stroke whips, okay. And they were telling me that they

702
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Speaker 3: they take shifts every day. They're on that corner working

703
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Speaker 3: shifts protesting. I was like, this is amazing. I love

704
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Speaker 3: this so much. And they were how do I like

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Speaker 3: nicely described they were retired women of a certain age, sure,

706
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Speaker 3: and they're there are no like young startup retirees who

707
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Speaker 3: retired at thirty. But I feel like a lot of

708
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: people their age probably are feeling like they can't do

709
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Speaker 3: anything or they cannot get involved in it. It was

710
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Speaker 3: just like such a cool example where I was like,

711
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: look at these batties, look at these icons. Anyway, this

712
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Speaker 3: has been under oath. Let's take a break. So Melissa,

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Speaker 3: I'm really excited because Congressman Garcia is joining us today.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: He's the former mayor of California. Yeah, and he's the

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Speaker 3: US representative from California's forty second district. He's been there

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Speaker 3: since twenty twenty three. He's actually immigrant himself from Peru,

718
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Speaker 3: so it would be really interesting to talk to him

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Speaker 3: about Ice, what's happening there, what he's doing as a

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Speaker 3: congress person to sort of advocate for immigrant communities. Also

721
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Speaker 3: the first openly gay immigrant in Congress, which is very cool.

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Speaker 3: He I think he was undocumented at one point when

723
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Speaker 3: he first emigrated, So it's a very cool, interesting sort

724
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Speaker 3: of entree into American politics. What he's sort of working on,

725
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: I think will inform how Americans really engage with the

726
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: news cycle, right. I mean, we're always talking about how

727
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Speaker 3: can we ensure that people are typically engaged and have

728
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: real next step action items. I feel like a lot

729
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: of what's happening in American democracy right now is like, well,

730
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Speaker 3: it's just terrible and nothing to do, just nothing. Yeah, yeah,

731
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Speaker 3: And I think it'll be cool to kind of talk

732
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Speaker 3: to him and be able to really say like.

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Speaker 4: Hey, and I love the fact that, you know, I

734
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 4: think it also helps when people can see themselves in

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Speaker 4: their elected officials. So the fact that he is an immigrant,

736
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Speaker 4: the fact that he's you know, openly gay, like all

737
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 4: those things I think sort of help put the information out.

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Speaker 3: I also love a fair Steva who's like, I'm going

739
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Speaker 3: to let my identity govern like how I entered the workplace,

740
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Speaker 3: how I enter like use my work. I'm sick of

741
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 3: this whole, like my life is separate from my job.

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Speaker 3: It ain't. I'm a fair Steve in the courtroom as

743
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Speaker 3: well as at home. I'm winning arguments in my kitchen.

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Speaker 4: Are you though? Somebody called on the.

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Speaker 3: Phone getting impeached in my phone.

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Speaker 4: I't red on the phone.

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Speaker 3: Oh all right, Congressman, all right, shut up, Congressman's college,

748
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Speaker 3: I got to stop talking. Welcome to brief resess, Congressman. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: Hi Congressman. Congressman, thank you for joining us. I know

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Speaker 3: that we actually just got the press release of what

751
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: you've been working on of the new legislation. So why

752
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: don't you take us in of what you've sort of

753
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Speaker 3: been focused on today. It sounds like, I mean, obviously.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot going on, and I'm the horrors of

755
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 6: the trip administration never end. Today we're really focused on

756
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Speaker 6: and trying to really zero in just the horrific actions

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Speaker 6: by the administration. Certainly Secretary now I'm Stephen Miller, and

758
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Speaker 6: what's happening with ICE across the country. There are two

759
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Speaker 6: things that we're looking at right now. One is, we've

760
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Speaker 6: all been reading the reports of the now upwards of

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Speaker 6: one hundred and seventy US citizens that have now been detained,

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Speaker 6: in many cases sent to these facilities by ICE and

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Speaker 6: by other federal agents and who essentially have stories of

764
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Speaker 6: being in the centers for days and days without any

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Speaker 6: access to lawyers or family because they didn't have the idea.

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Speaker 6: And these are US citizens who are being targeted racially

767
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Speaker 6: profile because of the color of their skin. And we

768
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Speaker 6: know that now if ICES is doing this to US citizens,

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Speaker 6: you can imagine how others are being treated at these

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Speaker 6: centers and facilities. And so we have a broad investigation

771
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Speaker 6: going right now through Oversight into Christinoum into their actions

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Speaker 6: across the country. But we're also especially partnering with the

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Speaker 6: Senate and the Senate's oversight team and Senator Blumenthal and

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Speaker 6: US are specifically going to do a joint bi cameral

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Speaker 6: investigation into what's happening to United States citizens across this

776
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Speaker 6: country as well. You know what I've told folks is, look,

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00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 6: what's happening to citizens is horrific, but also reminding people

778
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Speaker 6: that what's happening to non citizens they also have new

779
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 6: process rights and the Constitution is so clear correctly and

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Speaker 6: so we have a lot of work to do. But

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Speaker 6: we were in LA with Mayor Bass making that announced

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Speaker 6: with today.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting you bring this up. I really wanted

784
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: to talk to you about what specifically does that mean? Right?

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Speaker 3: I think we oftentimes hear in the news like we're

786
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Speaker 3: investigating this, we're looking into this bi cameraalism. Could you

787
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: get specific about, like what does that literal to do

788
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Speaker 3: list look like when you get to the office, right,

789
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Speaker 3: Like walk us through it, because I think it's important

790
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Speaker 3: for people to hear these words have almost become pointless

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Speaker 3: to a lot of Americans. Oh, we're investigating, Oh there's

792
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Speaker 3: an oversight committee. Oh we're going to be looking into it.

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Speaker 3: I think we've been used and abused in so many

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Speaker 3: ways as Americans that these words have sort of like

795
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Speaker 3: lost value. So I want people to hear, like exactly

796
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Speaker 3: what you're doing, because I know you, I know your team,

797
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Speaker 3: I know you've been working on this, and I understand

798
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Speaker 3: it on like a granular level from the courtroom. But

799
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Speaker 3: I think it's important for people to hear really what

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Speaker 3: that means for you.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, No, this is great because I also I love

802
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Speaker 6: explaining kind of how overside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think process matters, right, Like, what's the process?

804
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: I think it's so important.

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Speaker 6: Let me so, there's two pieces of this I think

806
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Speaker 6: are important, and that is how and who is leading

807
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Speaker 6: the investigations and then what we're actually trying to accomplish

808
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Speaker 6: and do. So let me let me start by saying, Look,

809
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Speaker 6: I've been the lead Democrat on the Oversight Community. Oversight

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Speaker 6: Committee in the US House is the lead investigations committee

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Speaker 6: that exists under a constitution under it in the US Congress,

812
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Speaker 6: and so obviously the job of Congress is oversight, and

813
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Speaker 6: oversight is where most of the major investigations end up. Now,

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Speaker 6: I'm a I'm a pretty new newer member to the Congress.

815
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Speaker 6: I was mayor of lum Beach, California for eight years.

816
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Speaker 6: I got to Congress now a little over two years ago,

817
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Speaker 6: and so I was not the most senior person to

818
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Speaker 6: take on this job. And I think in my pitch

819
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 6: to the Democratic Cocke, I said, look, we have to

820
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Speaker 6: we have to do things differently. We got to bring rage.

821
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Speaker 6: We need people to be more aggressive. We need to

822
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Speaker 6: bring that fight that Republicans bring to these investigations, and

823
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Speaker 6: you know, the pitched work. I'm the first sophomore to

824
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Speaker 6: lead a committee in one hundred years in the US.

825
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Speaker 6: And I mentioned that because I think what you said

826
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Speaker 6: is really true that oftentimes we will launch an investigation

827
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Speaker 6: or folks will say they're going to hold folks accountable,

828
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Speaker 6: and then it just gets lost in kind of Washington speak.

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Speaker 3: Right, or we hear about it like two years later

830
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Speaker 3: that they kind of found something but they weren't really,

831
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Speaker 3: and it just it does get kind of lost in

832
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Speaker 3: the wash there.

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Speaker 7: It does.

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Speaker 6: And that is not me first, Like I first, I

835
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 6: am an imprint myself, and so this is very personal

836
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Speaker 6: to me, and it's something that I know. I've lived

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Speaker 6: through the experience, I've been undocumented. I understand what the

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Speaker 6: live experiences. And then the second piece is I think

839
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Speaker 6: people just should take you know, I've been lead on

840
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Speaker 6: investigations now for about maybe three or almost four months,

841
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Speaker 6: three four months in the Congress for Democrats, and I

842
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Speaker 6: show people what we've just done on the Epstein files,

843
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Speaker 6: for example, we are getting so much information out on

844
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Speaker 6: the Epstein files because we're being aggressive and we're not

845
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Speaker 6: waiting to be in the majority. And so the way

846
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 6: oversight works is when you are in the minority. So

847
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 6: Democrats are in the minority in Congress. We always have

848
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 6: limited powers. We don't have subpoena power, We don't have

849
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Speaker 6: powers to get a new document we want or anyone

850
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Speaker 6: from the committee. But we still can't investigate on our own,

851
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Speaker 6: and so that's what we're doing now. We're not waiting

852
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Speaker 6: to be the majority to investigate. However, when we do

853
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Speaker 6: win the majority in twenty twenty six, you can believe

854
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Speaker 6: that we will be sending out subpoenis and getting information

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Speaker 6: from christinew On, from Stephen Miller, from folks that are

856
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 6: from home, and just a variety of folks that we

857
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 6: are interested in. But the work has to start now.

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Speaker 6: So that's a little bit about kind of why we

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00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 6: have to bring new people into the party and at

860
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Speaker 6: the table and leading these committees is because a new

861
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 6: approach is also needed. And then at the second piece

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Speaker 6: is it is still in the minority. These investigations have

863
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 6: enormous the enormous ability to also help in many of

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Speaker 6: the court cases that are happening, so we partner with folks.

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Speaker 3: That's just what I was going to say. Papering the

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Speaker 3: record documentation exactly so that court cases can move forward with.

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Speaker 6: That documentation is so important to put out into the

868
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 6: public record what's actually happening in what we know. And

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Speaker 6: so many of the successful cases that are happening right

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Speaker 6: now in the courts actually reference or use many of

871
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Speaker 6: the investigations or the documents that we are requesting of agencies.

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Speaker 7: To build the case. And so it's all very important work.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you because on the show, we

874
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Speaker 3: really like to focus on ways that everyday Americans or

875
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: other attorneys can get involved to do something. I think

876
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: so much of the internet, so much of the news

877
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: cycle is doomed, scrolling, it is getting lost in the weeds.

878
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: It is, you know, articles about literally how America is

879
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: headed towards fascism with no actual action, items on what

880
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: people can do, how they can get involved, things that

881
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: they can do to flex their democratic muscles. What would

882
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: you where do you need me an immigration attorney? Right? Like?

883
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: What would do your advice be to me an immigration attorney?

884
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: Or to meet Melissa who is a civically engaged democrat like, not.

885
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: An attorney, but you know, I care very much about

886
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: what's happening in my community. I also come from an

887
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: immigrant family. What can I do?

888
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: Where do you need us? Like? And I think it's

889
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 3: so important that people really hear from leadership right like

890
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: what can we be doing boots on the ground to

891
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: support these efforts?

892
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 7: So so two things.

893
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 6: So one is obviously there's some I'm gonna talk to

894
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 6: difficultly about what specifically you can do to help we're

895
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 6: doing on the investigation side.

896
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 7: So that's one piece of it broadly speaking there And I.

897
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 6: Was just right now with maybe fifty kind of immigation

898
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 6: community activists and leaders from different groups that are on

899
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 6: the ground doing this work right now in Los Angeles,

900
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 6: and there they are modeling just the behavior. We're talking

901
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 6: about attorneys that are working with immigration groups. We're talking

902
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 6: about immigration advocates that are trying to visit these detention centers.

903
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 6: We're talking about folks that are doing rapid response on

904
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 6: the ground. We're talked to folks that are just donors

905
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 6: that are donating to kind of these rapid response networks.

906
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: I talk to faith leaders who are bringing in parishioners

907
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 6: who are out communicating and working with families that are

908
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 6: oftentimes even too scared to leave their home. And so

909
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 6: I have found that in every community there is a

910
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 6: group or people that are actually doing this work. Whether

911
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 6: it's a local church, whether it's a local immigration organization,

912
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 6: whether it's a group of lawyers that are doing some

913
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 6: pro bono work or working within the legal space. There's

914
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 6: a lot of ways to get involved broadly. Specifically, our

915
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 6: Oversight Committee is doing two things people can get directly engaged.

916
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 6: One is in in the next few weeks, you're going

917
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 6: to hear we'll put this and put this out. We're

918
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 6: going to be launching the a massive kind of one

919
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 6: stop ICE and information tracker.

920
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: For the That's great, Okay, that's so great.

921
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 7: That is going.

922
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: We need it, absolutely, I need it, and.

923
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 6: It doesn't exist right now. And so we want to

924
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 6: make sure that we are tracking every instance of abuse

925
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 6: and terror that is being right now put out and

926
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 6: being done every day by ICE and by.

927
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: Critical moment folks.

928
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 6: And so we're working and building that right now, and

929
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 6: we have some groups that are that are assisting us

930
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 6: with that as well. So folks will be able to

931
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 6: submit video information to this track or so that we

932
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 6: can keep all of the information also and from a

933
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 6: national perspective in.

934
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: That's so important. So most as someone who gets so

935
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: many people reaching out to me for help, that is

936
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the things are just info sharing. You

937
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: don't actually need an immigration attorney half the time, but

938
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: just people are just trying to figure out what's going on.

939
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: And I think that's really important.

940
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 6: Exactly, So that's going to be a way for people

941
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 6: to be able to communicate with us directly and send

942
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 6: us information so that we have it on able to

943
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 6: share it into the public record. The second piece, and

944
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 6: I know this sounds so but you said it earlier,

945
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 6: just for for purposes of winning in the courtroom. We

946
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 6: have to not just win obviously public opinion. We have

947
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 6: win in the courtroom need and first of all in

948
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 6: the courtroom, and we have to document and we need

949
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 6: to build the case.

950
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 7: And it takes work, and it takes putting all this It.

951
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 3: Does it really does for people who don't and so and.

952
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 6: For us in Congress that it's it's critical for us

953
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 6: to have all this information. The second piece, which we

954
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 6: announced today is we're going to be launching some field

955
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 6: hearings that will be happening in communities across the country.

956
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 6: Our very first one is going to be in Los Angeles.

957
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 6: We will be announcing the date hopefully here in the next.

958
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that'd be great. Share it with us, we

959
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: can put it out on the channel.

960
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 7: It's great.

961
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 6: And what the fuel hearing is going to be an

962
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 6: opportunity for members of Congress in the community to come

963
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 6: together and listen to testimony from people in the community.

964
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 6: And we're going to also provide ways where folks can

965
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 6: do it in a way that thinks that that we're

966
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 6: keeping their safety in mind as well. But it's going

967
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 6: to be an opportunity for there to be actual the

968
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 6: stories and actions that are happening.

969
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 7: And information needs to be shared with us.

970
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 6: We're going to go into the community as well, and

971
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 6: so the very first one will be in Los Angeles.

972
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 6: It'll be I think it's quite exciting, and so that's

973
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 6: something also.

974
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, definitely going into the communities is

975
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: so important. I mean, so much of what happens in

976
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: immigrant communities from my experience just as a guest, right

977
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: is word of mouth.

978
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, for sure, that is the biggest way I mean,

979
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 4: is family coming from Haiti. That's how we learned about everything.

980
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: You heard it from someone's aunt, someone's cousin, a friend, etc.

981
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 4: So that's how you really get the word out. And

982
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: I think when it comes from your own community, you

983
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: tend to trust that information.

984
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: Right, So thank you so much for joining us. I

985
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 3: know you're the mayor of Long Beach. We've got a

986
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 3: Long Beach here in Long Island. It's a little bit different,

987
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: but to say thank you and the first openly gay

988
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: immigrant congressman, is that right? Right? That's all correct? Okay,

989
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: all right? So who's your favorite drag queen in Long Beach, California.

990
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: We're gonna actually we're gonna venmo Her in your honor.

991
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 7: Thank you.

992
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna vemo Her one hundred dollars. What's her name?

993
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 7: Jules Jewels Long Beach is my favorite drag queen in

994
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 7: Long Beach.

995
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 3: Jewels, Long Beach. I got wait for Jewels Long Beach

996
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: to wake up at four pm and be like, who

997
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: the hell is this guy is sending me? Congressman Garcia,

998
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: send him under Carson Garcia's name. So Jewels, Long Beach

999
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: go find her on venmo or cat shop and send

1000
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 3: her some money. Tip your drag queens. Thank you Congressman

1001
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: for joining us so much.

1002
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: For joining us. Appreciate thank you, Bye bye, so tails

1003
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: from the d M friends. Please remember, while Michael is

1004
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 4: a lawyer, he is not your.

1005
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: Lawyer unless you want to hire me.

1006
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 4: I mean that's a difference.

1007
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: I am for Everyone has a price, and I'm actually

1008
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: pretty cheap. Just got to ask any of my ex

1009
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: boyfriends ask me.

1010
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 8: This is Maggie from O Hi, and I was wondering

1011
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 8: if you could explain to me what's happening with banning

1012
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 8: of bird control pills in this country from a legal perspective.

1013
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 8: I keep reading about it, but I would love to

1014
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 8: know in a simple way, what is actually happening and how.

1015
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: Likely this is?

1016
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 3: Okay, great question, this is. This is an interesting one

1017
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 3: because it's I always feel bad when I have to

1018
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: answer these because it really is it depends half the time,

1019
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 3: like it really does depend on the state you're in. Yeah,

1020
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 3: so right now, birth control is not being banned in

1021
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 3: the US. I think there is. It's always like the

1022
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: threat of restricting contraceptives for women is always sort of

1023
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: a topic that continues to come up, and it is

1024
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: very much. These Republicans leap on any opportunity to sort

1025
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 3: of keep women down, down right, And it always anything

1026
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: we talk about, it is always poor people who experience

1027
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: the worst, right, people who are experiencing poverty.

1028
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: Who who don't have access, who.

1029
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: Don't have access, are It's a way to ensure that

1030
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: poor people remain poor and that the rich poor gap grows.

1031
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 3: So federal law and Supreme Court precedent still protect the

1032
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 3: right to get contraceptives. There is a very famous Supreme

1033
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: Court President Griswold versus Connecticut. It's from nineteen sixty five,

1034
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: as well as Eisenstadt be Baared it's nineteen seventy two.

1035
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 3: So these are the Supreme Court precedents that protect a

1036
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: woman's right to come for contraceptives. I don't know why

1037
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 3: I can't say that word because you don't have to.

1038
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 3: I guess because I've never gotten one than pregnant, and

1039
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 3: never even would be in a situation where that would happen.

1040
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 4: Never.

1041
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: We can get into it. We'll do that in the

1042
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: off we'll do that the b sides, the brief recests.

1043
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: After dark, we'll get into that. The end scene seventeen

1044
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 3: after eleven PM. Do you remember when VH VH one

1045
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: or MTV, it was like it was like at night

1046
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: it would become softcore porn. It was blue, it was

1047
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 3: it was a little it was go blue. Yeah, anyway,

1048
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: moving on.

1049
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 4: Are you okay?

1050
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: We got it? We really got I love when I

1051
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: dag our producer where we got the going because they

1052
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 3: have to listen to me yapp all day, so busy

1053
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: your Basically, if contraceptives were under fire, it would get

1054
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: worked up through the court system and eventually go to

1055
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court and those precedents be argued against. I

1056
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: would hope that in a situation like this there would

1057
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: be extreme public outrage, like this really would be even

1058
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: right now with the ways in which Republicans are restricting

1059
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: access to abortion, it's going to be different. And that's right.

1060
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: A man went on the record and said the word abortion.

1061
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: I know it doesn't happen that often, but you know,

1062
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: they have to be really creative with how they do it,

1063
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 3: right they say, oh, like the fire code or oh

1064
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: it's going to be a certain number are still within

1065
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 3: the state, even though they're like eight hours apart, Like,

1066
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: they still have to be kind of creative thinkers when

1067
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: they're trying to do evil, so the same would sort

1068
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: of happen with contraceptives. And also like the sort of

1069
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: expansive nature of America, we think about this a lot

1070
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 3: with the commerce clause, right, like interstate commerce, the transportation

1071
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: of contraceptives across state lines. I know of people who

1072
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 3: after the election were like stocking up on plan and

1073
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: be in New York and like mailing it to southern states.

1074
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: So it will be something interesting to watch. I haven't

1075
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: really seen it come up that much, but it is

1076
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: a very curious question, Thank you, Maggie, It really is.

1077
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 4: I actually wonder what's going to happen, especially you know

1078
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: most of the sort of now the Republican Party and

1079
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:24,479
Speaker 4: Maga Republicans, they're very much on this. You know, we're

1080
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 4: doing this with God behind us. And there is this

1081
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: theory for a lot of religion sort of across the board, right,

1082
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 4: like make lots of babies, make lots of babies.

1083
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: The last thing, I am happily childless, and maybe we'll

1084
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: add that to my next tattoo as well, that you

1085
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: are childless by choice. We come to this place to

1086
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: talk about, Yes, exactly, you have the choice. Yes, I

1087
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: have all the choices. I'm a white man in a suit.

1088
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: I can get away with pretty much anything. Just about

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00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: you have kids, You've got a family. Do you want

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00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 3: to tell people about your life and your choices?

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 4: Do not have any biological children. I do have a

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00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 4: stepdaughter who is lovely, and she and I get along

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00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: really well. And I love other people's kids. That's who

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Speaker 4: I am. I am perpetually aka Auntie Lisa. That's who

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00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 4: I am.

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00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: I am the uncle. Well, my husband Brad is like

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00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: the fun uncle with the kids, but I'm the uncle

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00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: where you know, if you are beefing at school or

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00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: you need someone to help you buy beer, don't you

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00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 3: can't call me. I would never do that. I would

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00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 3: absolutely never teach you how to room.

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Speaker 4: Do not abide.

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00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: I only roll ankles, not joints.

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00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 4: He's rolled a couple of ankles.

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Speaker 3: Both both at the same time. No, you've never seen

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00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: me wear pleasers.

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Speaker 8: Hi, this is Daisy from Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: I'm Daisy first of all, voiceover actress, love right.

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Speaker 4: And Daisy's a really good name, whether or not it's

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Speaker 4: your real name or not.

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Speaker 3: I don't I imagine Daisy. What do we think Daisy

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Speaker 3: looks like?

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00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 4: Immediately in my head days for me is a Latina, right,

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Speaker 4: I think, And I think she's got her Chola makeup down.

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Speaker 4: I love.

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Speaker 3: She's from the South Bronx. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.

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Speaker 4: Well, she says she's from lah, so I think she's

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Speaker 4: from South La.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, yeah, I don't know the neighborhoods in LA

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Speaker 3: that well.

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Speaker 4: Okay, but that's who I think. I think Davy Daisy

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Speaker 4: is Fearce and I think she has got a hookie's right.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's right. I think we could open

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Speaker 3: like a whole like booth at a state fair of us,

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Speaker 3: just like based on people's voices, guessing what they look like.

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Speaker 3: So maybe submit a question and we'll guess what you

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Speaker 3: look like.

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Speaker 4: Anyway.

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Speaker 8: I feel like there's so much in the news about

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Speaker 8: Trump trying to pardon pe Ditty or Gallaine Maxwell.

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Speaker 3: We not the Ditty, shout out not again.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: I also wonder why they keep on saying that Glayne Maxwell.

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Speaker 4: I feel like everybody's mispronouncing her name. My I had

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Speaker 4: an aunt who's that was her name? Yeah, and that's

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00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 4: not how you say it?

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Speaker 3: How do you say it?

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Speaker 4: I don't know who Gallaine is all over.

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Speaker 3: Like Gallaine Galaine Gulaine is such like a clunky flat footage. Right,

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Speaker 3: We've got yeah, we've got a big flat foot stomp

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00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: in the street. It's Gallaine.

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Speaker 4: But go ahead, sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 8: And I'm wondering, is there any interesting cases that previous

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00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 8: presidents have ever pardoned before? Are really controversial ones in

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 8: the past. We are these particularly insane.

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Speaker 3: I mean, to try and compare American history to what's

1147
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 3: happening right now is impossible. This is not really We

1148
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 3: are sort of living in like the different timeline.

1149
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 4: None of this is real. This is a simulation.

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Speaker 3: There have been a lot of pardons in the past

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00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: that were like, I mean, pardons are always a little

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00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: bit controversial. I remember Chelsea Manning's pardoningeople were like, oh

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00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: my god, but the arp springing like there's always sort

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00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: of like the opposition is always saying, you know, it's usually.

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Speaker 4: One of those things that our president does on their

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00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 4: way out.

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00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like Roger Stone trumped about in twenty twenty,

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00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 3: Paul Maniford, Michael Flynn was in twenty twenty. There was

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00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: a whole sort of like crop of controversial pardons.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Biden pardoned his son like that was.

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Speaker 3: Dad if you're watching, you better pardon my ass. If

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00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: you're ever in office, I want a pardon.

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Speaker 4: I might send my kids to the clink. You do

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00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 4: just out here sullying the family name.

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Speaker 3: Tell the story of when your dad on a jury.

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00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: We might not have enough time for this, enough to

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Speaker 3: wait for the next episode. We'll do it next time, Okay. Well, yes,

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of examples of this happening throughout history.

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Speaker 3: None of them are as insane as none of them

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Speaker 3: have anything to do with human trafficking of minors. So

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 3: that is sort of a why old thing. If Trump

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00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: does decide to pardon, say her name.

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Speaker 4: Just Len Maxwell, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, so that would be unprecedented in such a

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00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: way that we would probably need a new word that

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00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: is a synonym for unprecedented that hasn't been invented yet. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: those are the weirdest things people sent me today. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much, Congressman Garcia for coming on the show today.

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Speaker 3: I had a great time talking to you.

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Speaker 4: I always have a good time song.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad we got we got it all on the

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Speaker 3: record about ditty trial. Maybe we'll do a whole Didty episode.

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Speaker 4: Maybe.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for watching Brief Recess.

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Speaker 4: I'm Michael Foot now Melissa malbranch I'll.

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Speaker 3: See you're ass in court. This has been an Exactly

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Speaker 3: Right production recorded at iHeart Studios, hosted by me, Michael

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Speaker 3: Foot and.

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Speaker 4: Me Melissa Malbranch. Our producer is CJ. Ferroni.

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Speaker 3: This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci.

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Speaker 4: Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain and our guest booker

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Speaker 4: is Patria Cottner.

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Speaker 3: Our theme song was composed by Tom Briifogel with artwork

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Speaker 3: from Charlotte Delarue Manessa Lilac with photography by Brad Obono.

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Speaker 4: Recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark

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Speaker 4: and Danielle Kramer.

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Speaker 3: You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy

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Speaker 3: Department or on TikTok at Michael Foot.

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Speaker 4: And I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as Melissa Albranch.

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