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Speaker 1: Good evening, fellow conspiracy realist. We're going to set off

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Speaker 1: today's classic episode with a shout out to longtime friend

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Speaker 1: of the show Cranketthas, who wrote to us just recently

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Speaker 1: and said, hey, you suggested. I suggested an episode a

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Speaker 1: while ago on Australian cryptids. Thanks for doing it. Found

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Speaker 1: it interesting, learned some things I didn't know and guess what,

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Speaker 1: Cranken House, we learned a lot of stuff we didn't

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Speaker 1: know either, and we did it with the help of

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Speaker 1: our good friend Annie Reecee from stuff moumb never told

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Speaker 1: you and savor, so let's do it. From UFOs to

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Speaker 1: psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events.

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Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn this stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is no.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We were joined with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul Decktt. Most importantly, you are you. You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Pardon that momentary pause. I was thinking to myself, should

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Speaker 1: we open by saying good day? But that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of lowbrow for us.

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Speaker 3: You weren't taken aback by my odd introduction of myself.

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Speaker 2: I was not no, really, I'd like to know more

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Speaker 2: about what the new me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's just a little more robotic. Okay, I've

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Speaker 3: been assimilated by the borg.

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Speaker 2: Oh I knew it. I could tell you have all

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Speaker 2: this machinery kind of protruding from your cranium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the big red one eye. Ben, you did

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Speaker 3: a masterful thing just then. You didn't open by saying

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Speaker 3: good day, but you also kind of did.

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Speaker 1: I know. It's like when you add just saying at

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Speaker 1: the end of a sentence.

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Speaker 3: It's like having your good day and eating it too.

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Speaker 1: There we go, well done. This micro circuitry is doing wonders.

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Speaker 3: You really fun to say, Yeah, firing on all microcylinders.

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Speaker 1: Right, So we are going We're going to travel a

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Speaker 1: bit today. We're going outside of the States. A lot

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Speaker 1: of you have written to us and said, well, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate all the stuff you guys do on the show,

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Speaker 1: but you spend a lot of time in the US.

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Speaker 1: We're looking at the US sides of things. And earlier,

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Speaker 1: when we were talking off air, Matt, you and Noel

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Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy. A male that you found

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Speaker 1: right in posts. And one of the things that that

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Speaker 1: guys were very excited about was the concept of cryptids,

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Speaker 1: but not just all the cryptids we've covered so far

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Speaker 1: in the past. Cryptids down on that. Oh yeah, cryptids

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Speaker 1: of Australia. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had someone named Leif Allen creed right into

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Speaker 2: us and talk to us specifically about drop bears. You

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Speaker 2: wanted us to cover that in a couple other things,

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Speaker 2: of things like that.

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Speaker 1: Interesting conflation too, as we'll find out. So, yes, we

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Speaker 1: are diving into the strange and fascinating world of cryptids.

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Speaker 1: When we started this show years and years and years

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Speaker 1: and years ago, Matt, Nolan and I all started diving

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Speaker 1: into these bizarre, unusual things. And the weird thing is

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Speaker 1: that more often than not we would find a grain

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Speaker 1: of truth in these stories. And cryptozoology candidly is one

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Speaker 1: of those fields that I had always personally thought would

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Speaker 1: be mainly smoke and mirrors, you know, like a misidentified bear,

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Speaker 1: because most people nowadays haven't seen a bear in real life.

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Speaker 1: Soon you know, it's a scary thing.

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Speaker 2: Or folklore conflated with some animal that's similar enough to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or like some kind of misinterpretation of a fossil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good call, good call. Right, that's why we used

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Speaker 3: Sure? Hope? So, man, I need to believe in something.

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Speaker 1: I wish the Jurassic Park, I just every rebook they do.

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Speaker 1: I wish they would try feathers on the dinosaurs.

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Speaker 3: a pitch, go for it, Dragon Park, Dragon Park. How

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Speaker 3: That's where we get our dragon fixes on Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 3: They on the they run the Dragon show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not talking about cgi dragons. We got

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it in the case

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Speaker 2: Well, some of you maybe just misidentified the suit that

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Speaker 1: There we go. Yeah, And frankly, we've delved into some

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Speaker 1: the tough part about cryptids. Because most stories of cryptids,

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Speaker 1: these unidentified or unacknowledged animals, come from remote and dangerous

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Speaker 1: And yeah, certainly like the deserts of Mongolia where the

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Speaker 2: Don't do it well if you got the money, right,

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Speaker 1: Or Buffett if he's going to turn a new leaf

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Speaker 3: Very important mention what constitutes a wild goose?

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Speaker 1: I know, right? Is it? Is it just not in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean geese do migrate yea. So okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's probably was there a pond nearby it was that's why. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I imagine, without going too far into the figures speech,

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Speaker 2: And specifically on a big foot type creature.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, like wat danhopithecus or something. Yeah. But in

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Speaker 1: all of our episodes, we have never explored Australia, and

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Speaker 1: looking into one of the most interesting continents on this planet. Confession,

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Speaker 1: you don't hear the facts, But confession, we use the

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Speaker 1: CIA World fact Book for some of the stats about Australia.

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Speaker 3: You trader.

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Speaker 2: It's when he says we he says Ben Bolan, because

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Speaker 2: Ben Boland does all the research.

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Speaker 1: I okay, it's not. It's not it's not Nolan Matt's fault, Paul's.

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Speaker 1: I'm the one who use the CIA World fact Book.

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Speaker 1: But it has good information.

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Speaker 1: So Australia as continents go. It looks huge on the map,

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Speaker 1: but we all know how they're like Mercader projections versus

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny, our buddy Chuck from Stuff you

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Speaker 1: Josh, Josh and Chuck did just return from an Australia

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And just to give anyone who doesn't really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can you can see how a flight

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Speaker 1: From New York to la Ah, there we go, that's

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Speaker 1: two thousand, three hundred square kilometers in land mass, and

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Speaker 1: most of it is a desert. The place we call

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Speaker 1: the Outback, not to be confused with a surprisingly popular

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Speaker 1: steakhouse chain here in the US. Yes, which if you

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Speaker 1: are Australian and you're listening, we want to know your opinion.

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Speaker 1: So bad about Outback Steakhouse, Crocodile Dundee, what else fosters

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Speaker 1: the beer Steve Irwin of course, Steve Rkele, Steve Rkle

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Speaker 1: know how what was that? That was Family Matters right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would be interested to know if Family Matters made

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure they had a huge We even have

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Speaker 1: That's a very good way to put in perspective.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And just so you have an understanding of these deserts,

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do like to travel. And thank you for

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Speaker 4: Now I knew that was all you wanted. That's what

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Speaker 4: a cycle. Everyone in the Aboriginal society can recall the dreaming,

439
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 4: the dream time. They can remember this, and they go

440
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 4: through these these reenactments, these rituals that are very repetitive

441
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 4: to to sort of put yourself in the in the

442
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: state of mind where you can remember.

443
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 3: It and all capture it almost right, yeah.

444
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 4: And to pass it, to pass it along. And so

445
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 4: I got to see. I got to see some of these.

446
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 4: It is really powerful chanting and dancing did redoo and

447
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 4: they draw shapes in the sand, they paint on their

448
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,479
Speaker 4: faces and their bodies, and it's really cool because in

449
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 4: Australia you can see the Milky Way, especially out there

450
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 4: because there's nothing out there. There's nothing, so you can

451
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 4: see that kind of milky whiteness in the sky and

452
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 4: then all these shooting stars go across. And it did

453
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 4: feel I felt something like that I hadn't felt before.

454
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 4: And that probably sounds really cliche and cheesy, but it

455
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: is true.

456
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: Imagine I can totally imagine.

457
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: That so much in a different version of time, almost right.

458
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just you feel as though you were a

459
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 4: part of something. Honestly, it really felt powerful. And I

460
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: was really fortunate because they were open and happy to share.

461
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: They wanted to and I appreciated that they were. They

462
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: opened up to me in that way.

463
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said, do it there for four months?

464
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: How what level of interaction did you get in terms

465
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: of the communities, like group rituals.

466
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: I got a lot, mostly because I was like, I

467
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: took that advice and I sat in the spot and

468
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: people would come up to me, and they really did

469
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 4: want to include me in those things, I think because

470
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 4: I suppose if they had encountered foreigners before, they had

471
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: been much more like you're doing things this way. And

472
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 4: I just wanted to learn, and they did honorarily accept

473
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: me into their tribe. They gave me a spirit name,

474
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 4: a spirit animal, which was starfish means lost treasures.

475
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 5: It's cooler than that.

476
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 3: It was fantastic.

477
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: I think that's wonderful.

478
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was nice.

479
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 4: And they they made me this did redoo, which is

480
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 4: great for audio because no one.

481
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 5: Can see it.

482
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: Annie gestures to her right handpaigned, didude, that's quite colorful.

483
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: That's the thing that was making so much noise when

484
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 2: she portaled in.

485
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: That's yeah, the only way to open the portal through

486
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 4: circular breathing. Oh yeah, I wanted to bring it because

487
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 4: it illustrates just their art, which I assume you'll probably

488
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 4: talk about, but this is x ray art. It shows

489
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: their insides, the insides of animals and humans, and also

490
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 4: how they tell stories. When they tell stories, the journey

491
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 4: is the most important part, so they always show the stop.

492
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 5: So this is my journey. I flew there. This is

493
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 5: the town, the village, this is.

494
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 4: I then went on land to Sydney, AH and this is.

495
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 5: This means journey's end. It's like a cool circle thing.

496
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Would you be okay with us posting some

497
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: photos of the digit do uh and some of the

498
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: other stuff you brought on our Facebook page?

499
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that would be more helpful than me.

500
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 4: Kind of vaguely no.

501
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: I think it's great, watch rewind and watch along any

502
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: You have also brought a boomerang.

503
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 4: I have bought a boomerang. This was more just for fun.

504
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: They are kind of dangerous. I always assumed they were

505
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: just silly, to be honest, but they're used for hunting,

506
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 4: and they are seen as weapons and you can't have

507
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 4: them on planes and you carry on wally, Yeah, yeah,

508
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: how would you use.

509
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 5: A We did have our training today about like office awareness.

510
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

511
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: I was just wondering if I could disarm someone. We didn't.

512
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: We didn't get taught how to disarm someone.

513
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: That's going to come back to.

514
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: Come back.

515
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, Annie, thank you so much for taking the time

516
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: to explain the dream time. It's a fascinating concept and

517
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: it's something that I think the three of us heard

518
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: about but hadn't done much investigation into beforehand, so hopefully

519
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: we can talk you into coming back in the future

520
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: as a guest on a full episode More Adventures. What

521
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: do you think, guys?

522
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: Please?

523
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: I love it all right, Well, we're I guess we're

524
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and watch you did you do?

525
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

526
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: Okay through a portal. I'm ready. Let's see.

527
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: It's weird because there's a door in the studio. I

528
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: mean whatever.

529
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely cooler than a door. That's true.

530
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: That's goes here, it goes fascinating stuff.

531
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can catch any right now. On Savor.

532
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: It's a podcast about food and why we like the

533
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: things we like. It's got a lot of science and

534
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: history to it. It's super cool.

535
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: She's also on Stuff Mom Never Told You, Yes, so.

536
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Do check it out. A friend of the show. We're

537
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: also we're also big fans of food, stuff, Stuff Mom

538
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: Never Told You, and Anni Reese in general. So let's

539
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: let's look at some of the cryptids that occur in

540
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: Australia and we can we can stop along the way

541
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: if we want to see what types of cryptids these

542
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: are where categories will fall in. By far the most famous,

543
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: the breakout single the real banger off of the Cryptozoology

544
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: Mixtape of Australia is something called the bun yip.

545
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: The bun yip, it is a strange looking thing. If

546
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: you've ever seen a picture of it online, I would

547
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: encourage you to search for images of it. It's funky.

548
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a snake, kind of like a plant,

549
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: kind of like an aquatic creature.

550
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: When I just read the descriptions in the text years ago,

551
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: my first question was, is this a platypus?

552
00:29:59,280 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: Oh?

553
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: You just are you describing a platypus? Because it sounds

554
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: like they just threw all the leftover stuff in there,

555
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but it's interesting you bring up the

556
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the idea of the appearance, right. The only really consistent

557
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: stuff about the bunya, which is mentioned in dream Time

558
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: is that it is a creature that lives in or

559
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: near bodies of water like creeks, pools, swamps, and it's

560
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: so ubiquitous that there are nine regional variations of this

561
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: that are presented and described differently in different traditions and

562
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: different threads of folklore. And at this point there's no

563
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: real consensus about what this thing looks like. We it

564
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: has some common characteristics.

565
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed there are, and these include things like tusks flippers.

566
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: Always want a flipper only it's sort of like a

567
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: either either you get feet or you get a flipper.

568
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, you really want to classics?

569
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: Oh that's true. I guess I'm thinking of like a fin.

570
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: It could be cool.

571
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: Well, no, what does a mermaid have? Is that a

572
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: flipper or a fin?

573
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh? Now that is a question for the ages.

574
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: That really that's just the tail, Okay, all right, Ben,

575
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: also speaking of which a horse like tail, and of

576
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: course you know, possibly a mermaid like tail. And then

577
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: there's also this belief that they come out at night

578
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: to feast on animals and of course young children, you know,

579
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: because they're savory and delicious, weakest in the herd. And women.

580
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah and here, well we'll get into it a little later.

581
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: Let's keep going on with it. But I have some

582
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: ideas about this creature with regards to storytelling and safeguarding

583
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: of the the young. But let's let's keep going.

584
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: So. They also have a characteristic noise that they're notorious

585
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: for making when they approach. I just found it described

586
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: as a loud bellow.

587
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it can be heard from miles away

588
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: from very very far away. You'll always know the bunyip yell.

589
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: When you hear it for the first time, you're like, oh,

590
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: that was a bun yup ah.

591
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: The yell of the bunyip.

592
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well, I mean, I like that. That's a

593
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: good catchphrase for a T shirt. That really is ye.

594
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: Oh, I like it as one string ah, the yell

595
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: of the bunyip.

596
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: Okay, tea public, here's looking at you. Hopefully hopefully you're listening.

597
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: You guys, look at it.

598
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: You t But I think we have to fill out

599
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: a form or something, all right.

600
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: Or no, you're right, we have to fill out a form.

601
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: We have to ask nicely. But let us know if

602
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: you think that's a good idea for a T shirt.

603
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: But that's it sounds like the Sasquatch yells and some

604
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: of the communications that we've heard about where you it's

605
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: tough to nail down exactly what it sounds like, but

606
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: if you hear it, you'll know that that's what it is.

607
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Some some recordings have been made over the years of

608
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: supposed Sasquatch sounds, and I wonder I haven't dug too

609
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: deep into the bunyip yell or the shriek or whatever

610
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: you might call it. But I haven't found a good

611
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 2: recording of something like that says that's what it is.

612
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: That I would at least say, hey, let's play that

613
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: right now.

614
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. And even with

615
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: even with very well established or well known cryptids such

616
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: as Bigfoot or Sasquatch's still it's such an audio rorshack test,

617
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, I really will hear

618
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: things that they want to hear, unfortunately, you know. But

619
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: that's the thing with the Bunyip. It's supposed to be

620
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: a very distinctive characteristic fellow. We have not found a

621
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: definitive recording of that. We did find the earliest published

622
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: reference to the bunyap or one of them, which was

623
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: a pamphlet published in eighteen twelve by a guy named

624
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: James Ives, and he refers to it as a black

625
00:33:52,440 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: seal like creature that has a terrifying voice. I have chills, chills, nol,

626
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: I have chills. It's probably like that, but like a

627
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: lot more sinister. So it's kind of a sinister it's

628
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: like an arch er. Maybe that's that's too Scooby dewish.

629
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: That is a little Scooby doish.

630
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: It has to be lower like a like a like

631
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: more of a death metal seal.

632
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. Yeah, yeah, like a death like

633
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: the sealized corpse. Pain on.

634
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: That's that that would that would spook me.

635
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: We've solved it, folks. You heard it here first, the

636
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: bun yip. So this this black seal like creature, right,

637
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: that's that's one of the that's one of the descriptions.

638
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: Other accounts, also in the eighteen hundreds, called it a

639
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: dog like amphibious animal, or a calf size, shaggy haired

640
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: or maine quadruped, sometimes seen on land, but mostly amphibious.

641
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: So what what does that mean? You know, Originally in

642
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: the Aboriginal dream time, which you know, early anthropologists created

643
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: this word to describe that world. You but we'll go

644
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: with it. In the dream time, bunyips were very nasty creatures.

645
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: They were punishing spirits. They were like forces of righteous

646
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: punishment that you did not want to run into. But

647
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: now they're pretty toned down.

648
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find them in commercials now they're like

649
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: kids commercials, like as in, look at this thing, it's

650
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: a bunyip. It's fine, it's silly, it's uh it's gonna

651
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: bring your cereal to you. I honestly don't know if

652
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 2: it's been used in this series, but yeah, to.

653
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: Be fair, bunyip it sounds a lot like bunny to me,

654
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: so it makes me think of something cute and malleable.

655
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like a scary word to me either.

656
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: But there's a long list of suppose ex sightings of

657
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: these creatures, and some of the most recent ones were

658
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: during the midst of the depression, during the nineteen thirties.

659
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I wonder what correlation there is there. I wonder why.

660
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder why as well. It was the nineteen thirties,

661
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: the economic depression that racked to the world did drive

662
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people to pursue alternative viewpoints I mean

663
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: economic and cultural and spiritual that they ordinarily wouldn't have done.

664
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and probably alternative like living places to live and

665
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: trying to save money and live off the land in

666
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: different ways. So maybe there's something there.

667
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: Well, what about I mean, if they were something, would

668
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: they be a relic population of an animal that we

669
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: thought went extinct before? There's that possibility.

670
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: What is this thing called the die protodon dip protodon?

671
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: The dep Protodon. Oh, yes, the old dep Protodon. This

672
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: is a fascinating looking creature. It's this I don't know.

673
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: It looks kind of like a bear. But if you

674
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: mixed like the head of a hippo or something in

675
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: with it or kind of melded that into the creature

676
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: walks on all fours and it's a marsupial and it's

677
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: pretty dang huge.

678
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And some Aboriginal tribes have identified bones of this creature,

679
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: fossils of it as Bunyant bones, so that might be

680
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,959
Speaker 1: the grain of truth there.

681
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: Well, and you know what, this to protodonne went extinct

682
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: roughly forty six thousand years ago, so after humans had

683
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: crossed over into Australia, right, so they would have coexisted

684
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: with this thing for thousands of years. Maybe it's the

685
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: name that was given at the time to these things.

686
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: So then is it then a relic from oral history perhaps, right,

687
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: some kind of memory carried over. You could say the

688
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: same thing about another candidate for the Bunyap tale, which

689
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: is the poller Chests, which means ancient leaper or damn sir.

690
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: And this thing when extinct eleven thousand years ago, so

691
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: it has even more of an overlap. Oh yeah, with

692
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: human settlements and occupation. It looks crazy. It's like a

693
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: tape air looking creature about the size of a horse.

694
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like again, if you're going if you look

695
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: at the deprotodon, it's going to stand over six and

696
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: a half feet tall generally, so taller than you. And

697
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: that's walking on all fours. And I mean it would

698
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: be it would be pretty pretty creepy. And I bet

699
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: it could make a bellow that you would hear for

700
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: a long way away, as well as what.

701
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: Was the other one, Oh, the parloa chestis.

702
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet, I bet both of those could make

703
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: a sound that you would notice.

704
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: So here's the question, then, is this real? Is there

705
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: a grain of truth to it? The thing is, there's

706
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: a solid core of reasonably good and atomically consistent accounts

707
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: of the bunyip, despite those regional variations. The most common

708
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: one is a dark furd dog headed quote seal dog.

709
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: Oh so a is it a seal that swam out

710
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: of place and somehow got to a river or a swamp,

711
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: a swamp or something.

712
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: Or maybe a small population of them that started living

713
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: and existing in a different environment than they normally would

714
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: over the course of you know, a couple thousand.

715
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Years, right, Maybe they found a place that didn't have

716
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: some of the natural privations they had evolved to combat,

717
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: so maybe the living was easy. I don't know. It's

718
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: just like keep going back to the bellow like Nola,

719
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: like you did with the seal sounds. That seems like

720
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: that would be loud enough, you know.

721
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a bark. Yeah, they're inherently they carry, right.

722
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: So that's that's our case on the bund yep. Let

723
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: us know if you listen to your opinion of it.

724
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: Do you think it's just folklore? Do you think it's

725
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: an animal that went extinct at some time, but maybe

726
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: not as long ago as we think. Do you want

727
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: to do a lighter cryptid well.

728
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: Yes, but first I want to talk about what we

729
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: were discussing at the very top of talking about the

730
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: bun Yips, that idea that they will hunt usually, or

731
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: at least in the stories that are told about them,

732
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: they'll hunt children, they'll hunt women to keep you away

733
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: from bodies of water or you know, they exist in

734
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: bodies of water. And my thought is perhaps it's an

735
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: oral tradition to try and safeguard the young of a

736
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: community and perhaps safeguard them from not only bodies of water,

737
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: which can be very dangerous, and there can be animals

738
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: close to water or in water that or you know,

739
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: would would probably be carnivorous or could be carnivorous and

740
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: attack a small child. So a boogeyman, Yeah, a boogeyman

741
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: story to safeguard I don't know that. In my mind,

742
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: that makes a whole lot of sense.

743
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: I could see that. I could see that.

744
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: And also kind of the extrapolation from this is using

745
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: that the dream time, the oral tradition of the dream time,

746
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: because a lot of in many cases, stories from the

747
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: dream time are used as kind of an allegory to

748
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: teach a lesson or to have something that you need

749
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: to learn. So there's like one place that you could

750
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: go to or one set of stories you could tell

751
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: that would give a person living in your community everything

752
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: they would need to know to survive. There a lot

753
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: of just that's part of folklore and that's part of

754
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: history learning those things. Just got to put that out

755
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: there absolutely.

756
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean, would you say, coming back to the boogeyman thing,

757
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: would you say that the next animal on our list

758
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: is also.

759
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: A boogie ban the drop bear.

760
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: The drop bear.

761
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: Drop bears, noel, what you know about them?

762
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: Well, it's a delicious gummy treat with a marshmallow tummy.

763
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: Oh how much thc per per miligram?

764
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: Isn't there?

765
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: Okay, m m.

766
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: It takes you right to the dream dime, all right, No,

767
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: but seriously, it's like a terrifying carnivorous marsupial that drops

768
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: down upon you from the trees. At least legend would

769
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: have it.

770
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's got giant fangs, right.

771
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got giant jagged fangs, claws, I'm sure, claws,

772
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: and it uses these fangs and claws to rip chunks

773
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 1: of flesh from the neck, head and back of unsuspecting tourists.

774
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like if it comes down on you and

775
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: and it hits you on the back, it probably immediately

776
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: jaws right down on the back of your neck, right.

777
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: Right, gets an artery or vein, depending on the side

778
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: of the neck, maybe paralyzes you. That's a drop bear, folks. Luckily,

779
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: it's taken about as seriously as the idea of a jackalope, which,

780
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: if you if you're not familiar with jacoalope, Google it.

781
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: It's this weird American in joke.

782
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: Isn't it just really a taxid army joke?

783
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it's it's a taxidermy joke is

784
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: very American. I feel like nobody really believed in the jackalope,

785
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe they did.

786
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: Just so anyone who doesn't know. It's it's a jack

787
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: rabbit or a larger rabbit and or a hare and

788
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: it's got antlers, right, that's the whole point of it.

789
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: It's as yeah, there you go, jackalope. So it's it's

790
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: been according to folklore that belief has been around since

791
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: colonial days, but the belief in the drop bear is

792
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 1: a little bit more recent. We don't know exactly when

793
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: it occurred, but it's it's like an in joke for Australians.

794
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. You tell a taurus, hey, watch out

795
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: for drop bass. Yeah right, all right, Well but again,

796
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: and there's a there's this delightful commercial that you can

797
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: find on YouTube right now. It's for this company called

798
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: Bundaberg or Bundy Rum and Cola. That's a whole thing.

799
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: It's at least one of their products and features this

800
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: drop bear where there's a group of these camping blokes,

801
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call them blokes. In this instance, they're accompanied

802
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: by a polar bear who's just hanging out by the

803
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: trunk of their car the boot or whatever you call

804
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: it there, and they're The whole point is they're trying

805
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: to convince this separate group of shila's in this case,

806
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: see what we're doing here, ladies. Yeah, they're trying to

807
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: convince the ladies to join them and camp with them,

808
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: because they're like, oh, you guys are camping over there,

809
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: we're camping over here, we should get together. Well, the

810
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: polar bear understands what's happening here, So the polar bear

811
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: sneakily climbs up to this tree that's hanging over the

812
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: ladies tent right right, And then the lads they go

813
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: to the shila's and they're like, hey, you gotta be

814
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: careful for them drop bears. We got drop bears around here,

815
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: and they're like, drop bears? What are those? And then

816
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: the polar bear drops down onto the tent and they scream,

817
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: and then they all camp together and they drink I

818
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: guess Branderburg.

819
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: The bear doesn't like dismember them, and then drinks rumbing coke.

820
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: No, No, the bear falls on the tent and then

821
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: gives them a nice little like wink, And like.

822
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Why does the bear want to help out these blokes?

823
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: I don't understand the motivation there.

824
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: He is certainly in with that group, so he's either.

825
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: Gang.

826
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, his motivation is to maintain that group of friends.

827
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: So he's an anthropomorphic pervy bear.

828
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: He's a polar bear, and he's also on the Bundenberg Rum.

829
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: He's like part of their logo.

830
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: Okay, he's like their two can sam.

831
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: Oh I get it, or he's like their coke polar bear.

832
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: I don't like it.

833
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 2: Well, it's a little skeezy. It is, it is, but hey.

834
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like hijinks. He wasn't aiding a crime, right, Well, well,

835
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: we've only seen a snippet of this bear's life.

836
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we we only know how the night started.

837
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: That is also true. And while we're overthinking animal commercials,

838
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: you guys know about panda cheese, right, I'm sure when

839
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: ad nauseum panda cheese?

840
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: What the hell is that?

841
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, so we're gonna have to hang out for

842
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: a second after we record, and we'll post this on

843
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: Here is where it gets crazy when this episode comes out.

844
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: There's an Egyptian cheese company named Pandaka and they put

845
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: out a number of years ago a series of advertisements

846
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: about this evil panda that would appear if you turned

847
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: down panda cheese, it would appear and ruin your life.

848
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: What in increasingly dark and sinister ways.

849
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a YouTube video called top seven Panda Cheese Commercials.

850
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: We don't have time to do it now, but oh he's.

851
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: Doing a slow clap in this one.

852
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: But they're worth it worth He's a creature pure evil.

853
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: So I would take the Bundy rum guy over this one.

854
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: But you know what we should also take at this

855
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: point a break.

856
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just need to set them up and I

857
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: knock him down.

858
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: There you go, and we're back.

859
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: So we talked about the Bundy if we explored the

860
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: drop Bear just for fun. Now it's time to dive

861
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: into the story of what I would call the most

862
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: likely to be real cryptid okay here in this case,

863
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: and that is the Thylocene or Tasmanian tiger, one of

864
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: the most fascinating alleged cryptids in the region.

865
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 3: Also known as the Tasmanian Tiger, This creature technically went

866
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: extinct in Tasmanian in the nineteen thirties with the last

867
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 3: thyla scene, which was a male named Benjamin. Oh, it's

868
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: like it's like your name.

869
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: They have a weird they have a weird story about Benjamin.

870
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: Well, let's get to it. So Benjamin died on a

871
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: zoo in nineteen thirty six.

872
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: And for years and years after there was this controversy

873
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: because they didn't know the gender of the animal. So

874
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: there were some people who went back an obsessively watched

875
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: video this one short clip of the animal walking frame

876
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: by frame by frame, enhancing the crap out of it

877
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: until they could see one test stickle.

878
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

879
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: So a lot of science went into that. Okay, wouldn't

880
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: you just couldn't they have just said, oh, its name

881
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: is Benjamin. I don't know, one.

882
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: Would think obviously, so Benjamin.

883
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: So last one dies in nineteen thirty six. As you're saying, right.

884
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating looking creature, it really is.

885
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and over the it's true and over the years

886
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: there have been numerous residents of Tasmania who claimed to

887
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: see encounter even this carnivorous marsupial. So it's a lot

888
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: like the drop bear in that respect. So the Tasmanian

889
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: tiger can grow to six feet long if you count

890
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: the tail, and folks like Andrew Orchard who have investigated

891
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: this cryptid claim to have seen the creature multiple times.

892
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 3: And often people hunt these much with the same dedication

893
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: that we attached to bigfoot hunters here in the United States.

894
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: So maybe we could interview a devil hunter also. That

895
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: sounds really cool.

896
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the devil hunter. Well, it looks it's a fascinating

897
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: looking animal. It looks kind of like the head of

898
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: a canine almost in a way, but then its tail

899
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: is very rodent or marsupial like, but again it's large.

900
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: And then its body has the stripes of gosh, I

901
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: don't even know, almost some African animals that you can

902
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: find just to have the stripes of this kind, not

903
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: tiger stripes, but they're very they're lines, they're not like

904
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 2: some kind of jagged shape or any kind of they're

905
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: not even really swooping or anything.

906
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: And they start on the upper back, yeah, and then

907
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: they expand as they go down towards the haunches. Yeah,

908
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: it's a very very strange placement. It looks like somebody

909
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: customized the creature in a video game of some sort,

910
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: for sure. So it was common in Australia for some

911
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: time as well, but it went extinct in Australia first

912
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 1: and then later extinct in Tasmania, at least officially. And

913
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, there are a ton of people

914
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: in Tasmania who are certain they have seen this thing.

915
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: And the Australia Rare faun Or Research Association has almost

916
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: four thousand reports of Tasmanian tigers in Australia since nineteen thirty.

917
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: Six, observations or sightings of some sort.

918
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: Right, And if you look at the silhouette or the

919
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: profile of the thing, it looks different enough from a

920
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: dog or dingo, even because that tail sticks straight out

921
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: like a kangaroo tail.

922
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, if you saw it at night, I can see

923
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 2: how you would mix this up with a few things,

924
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: with the exception of the tail, if you're like seeing

925
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: it with a flashlight night or headlights or something.

926
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. The most popular, I guess misidentified animal

927
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: we have here in Atlanta now is a coyote.

928
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: If you have seen an yet, I have, actually yeah,

929
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: me too, and some foxes. I got them mixed up initially.

930
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: Really yeah.

931
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: I saw in a neighborhood outside of Atlanta a few

932
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: years back, I saw a lost dog poster and someone's like,

933
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: have you lost your dog? I've been seeing this one around.

934
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: I haven't caught him. He's kind of shy. It's totally

935
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: a coyote. Whoa Yeah, kilts and cats. But but look,

936
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: people who think that the Tasmanian Tigers survives think that

937
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: it survives most likely in a remote part of Tasmania,

938
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, the island off of Australia, or in a

939
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: very remote part of the Australia, not quite the outback

940
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: the bush. Like you said, no, I'm Glerine.

941
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: Don't let the game boy machinehead.

942
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: Did you know he played the one of the bad

943
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: guys in Constantine.

944
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: Yes he did, and he was fantastic in it is

945
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 2: very else he's.

946
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: There are the Australian British.

947
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: The British didn't take the trip.

948
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: Damn.

949
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: It would have been a good a good transition, not

950
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: a transition, at least a better non seculator.

951
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: Well uh, speaking of fantastic segues sequators even yeah, sequitors

952
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: and segues which is another name of a different podcasts

953
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: will probably do one day. What about large cats? This

954
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: is when it gets me. Every place that we have

955
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: ever investigated in terms of cryptozoology, they always have at

956
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: least a few large cats. Like every state in the

957
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: US has its own alleged cryptid large cat. Even states

958
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: that have mountain lions say they have a large cryptid cat.

959
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: But it's different.

960
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different from a mountain lion. However, mountain lions

961
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: are terrifying. If you've ever seen one in the wild

962
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: or maybe on your property, beware, that's a mountain lion.

963
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: It will take your dog and or maybe you.

964
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not they didn't come to play with you, Nope.

965
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: But it feels like the reports of large cats in

966
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Australia have a little bit more credibility.

967
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one, I guess. The most famous sighting is

968
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: the Gippsland phantom cat. It's been spotted all over the place,

969
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: repeatedly in the Grampians. Grampians, I don't know how to

970
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: say that correctly. Australians, I'm sorry, but since the nineteen seventies.

971
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: Are Grampians like geriatric champions.

972
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: Yes, just like that. It's a region or a little

973
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: an area and experts and skeptics believe these are maybe

974
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: perhaps the feral descendants of just you know, plain old

975
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: house cats, but maybe a little bigger, maybe a little

976
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 2: more feral.

977
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this National Park is huge, six hundred and

978
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: forty six square miles, and it's a nature reserve, so

979
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: it's ticking a lot of the boxes for us. It's

980
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: not heavily populated, and it's remote.

981
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: There you go, maybe it's a different species that we

982
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 2: just haven't cataloged.

983
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: Yet, and where it's located plays a role in its

984
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: credibility too, because there's this long standing theory or somewhat

985
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: of an urban I don't want to call it a myth,

986
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: but there's a tail.

987
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: Okay, there's a story.

988
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: At least it says when US soldiers were stationed in

989
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: Victoria World War two, they had a pair of pumas

990
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: that were mascots, and after the war, when they were

991
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: going back home to the States, they released these cats

992
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: into the wild. Pumas pumas.

993
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: You say, which is it's just a cougar. Cool a cougar. Yeah,

994
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: but it looks I mean, it's just a large it's

995
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: a large cat.

996
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: It's another way for mountain lying.

997
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

998
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: Two to three feet in height, so maybe not as

999
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: intimidating as a gigantic wombat, but it is carnivorous. It

1000
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: can run fifty miles per hour, and if you piss

1001
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: it off, it will it will attack you. Right, most

1002
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: animals in the wild, It's pretty much true everywhere, if

1003
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: they have the option to avoid a human versus confronting them,

1004
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: the majority of animals would rather avoid a human being, right.

1005
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the majority of human beings would rather avoid human beings.

1006
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: It's true, that's true. In Victoria, however, these reports of

1007
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: large unidentified cats were taken very seriously, so much so

1008
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: that the state government investigated the sightings and in twenty

1009
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: twelve they released a report that said there was no

1010
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 1: evidence to back these concerns. Don't ask us how much

1011
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: it costs to do this investigation, which became another sticking

1012
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: point for the local government. But the stories continued, and

1013
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: they continue today. In twenty eighteen, and there was there

1014
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: was at least one case where somebody caught an unidentified cat.

1015
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. This was a fellow by the name of Kurt Engel.

1016
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: He shot a that said unidentified cat which had a

1017
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: twenty six inch tail. Wowsers, it's huge. Yeah, and tests

1018
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 3: on the cat showed that it was at least partially

1019
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: a common domestic cat.

1020
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they had a mitochondrial DNA test, which means

1021
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: they can only trace the matrilineal side, yeah, and the

1022
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: other side of it. So the official conclusion was, like

1023
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 1: you said, it's partially a regular common.

1024
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 2: Cat, yeah, but the other parts are just monster.

1025
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: Doesn't twenty six inches seem cartoonishly long for a tale.

1026
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: It really does. Why would you ever need that from

1027
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: an evolutionary perspective unless you're like hanging from it or

1028
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 2: or I don't know, getting objects out of the water

1029
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: with it.

1030
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: Seems like it'd be a liability.

1031
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 2: Maybe you can go fishing with it.

1032
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: Maybe I bet you could deep sea fishing.

1033
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: Well, Unfortunately we don't know because he discarded the body.

1034
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: Oh great, it was dumb, thanks Kurt Engele.

1035
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: One point six meters long, although he says two meters.

1036
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: You can see a picture of the cat hanging up

1037
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,959
Speaker 1: where he caught it. But destroying the body really hurt

1038
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: his credibility, you know what I mean.

1039
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: Jeez.

1040
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: But then there's other there are other video clips you

1041
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: can find, and there's a wealth of stuff out there.

1042
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: The problem is that people were skeptical about this stuff.

1043
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: We'll say it's inconclusive. There are also rumors that there

1044
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: are large, essentially comodo dragons wandering the outback.

1045
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that.

1046
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: We didn't dig too deep by that. That's just one

1047
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: of those where I think I could also that.

1048
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know, you think there'd be

1049
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: more than just a few sightings if there was a

1050
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: large enough population of them out there. But who knows,

1051
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: maybe they're that isolated. Well, but the best one, my

1052
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: favorite one.

1053
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what is it anything.

1054
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: Walking around on two legs up in this piece?

1055
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked, Matt. Yes, there are not one,

1056
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: but at least two types of Bigfoot esque creatures in

1057
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: the world of Australian cryptozoology. The first is the Mohow

1058
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: of New Zealand. According to reports, they're about the size

1059
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: of a normal person, normal guy, but they have an

1060
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: eight like face, long shaggy hair, and really long fingers

1061
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: with sharp fingernails or claws.

1062
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: Uh. I don't like that. It was with you until

1063
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: you got to the long.

1064
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: And started acting it out. Yeah, you crossed the table

1065
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: towards you. They're thought to be responsible for two deaths

1066
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty two, a prospector and a woman who

1067
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: was found nearby. She'd been abducted from her home. Someone

1068
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: had broken her neck. The prospector have been partially eaten. Ooh, no,

1069
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: one knows what happened.

1070
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah did they Well? Yeah, just makes you wonder if

1071
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: they found, you know, any long scratches or strange creepy acting.

1072
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: I know, and I'm not liking me doing it even.

1073
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: And then there's the Yawi, which probably has one of

1074
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: the more fun names all our cryptids.

1075
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean this is this is your bigfoot.

1076
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 2: This is your Australian bigfoot. Essentially, it lives deep within

1077
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: the wilderness. It avoids contact with humans. You might be

1078
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: able to hear a yaowie if you know, if you're

1079
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: walking around the woods, you're maybe you're camping or something.

1080
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: You're just exploring or hiking, or you're on the like

1081
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: at the outskirts of the woods.

1082
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, yowey Yawi Zali. Isn't that a nu's Wowie's Awi?

1083
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Speaker 3: It's a Pavement album.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing, Noll. There might be some confusion

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Speaker 2: here because within the oral storytelling over the years and

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Speaker 2: within the Aboriginal communities. The term yowi is also a

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01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: regional term for the bun yip creature.

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Speaker 1: Oh so there's some conflation and confusion there exactly.

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Speaker 2: So maybe it's one and the same, or at least

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01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: originally was, and then it just became its own separate

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Speaker 2: set of stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if I have become persuaded in this episode

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: about one thing and one thing only, it's the Pavement

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: should do an album that is entirely about the Yawi

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Speaker 1: and it's called Yawi Zaui.

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Speaker 3: Well, first we got to get him back together.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, look, everything's it's a journey of a thousand

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01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: miles starts with a single step. So members of Pavement,

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Speaker 1: for remembers of Pavement, if you're listening right to us,

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Speaker 1: do this for us.

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Speaker 3: Please.

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01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 2: Do you know a member of Pavement will send them

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01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: this podcast, make them listen to the entire thing.

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01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: Against their will, don't send them just the.

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Speaker 2: End, and then hopefully they'll they'll hear this.

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Speaker 1: Well it does. You know. We do have to wrap

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Speaker 1: up today, but we've explored, at least on a cursory level,

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Speaker 1: some of the most popular and strangest cryptids in Australia.

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Speaker 1: But there's much more to this story because Australia has

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01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: its own rich history of these sightings, and although many

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01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: of them share tropes and themes with stories in other

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01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: areas of the world, these are very different. Found one

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Speaker 1: big twist to the entire cryptid story here, and it's

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Speaker 1: that of all the cryptids in Australia, at least the

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Speaker 1: ones we encounter while working on the show, large cats

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01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: and the Tasmanian tiger are the most likely to be

1118
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote real right, rather than purposeful hoaxes or being misidentified.

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Speaker 1: But the big twist is we might find Tasmanian tigers

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Speaker 1: sooner than we think, and we might not do it

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Speaker 1: by searching the remote reaches of Australia and Tasmania. In

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Speaker 1: the past few years, scientists have successfully drafted the DNA

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Speaker 1: sequence of the thylacine. This means that in the future

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Speaker 1: we not all of us listening maybe, but our species

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Speaker 1: may be able to create our own hybrids. Just like

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Speaker 1: the work on the wooly mammoth, we may be able

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Speaker 1: to bring the Tasmanian tiger back from the grave.

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Speaker 2: Ah the Phylocene park will be born. We'll get the

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Speaker 2: blood from ancient mosquitoes trapped in amber and the great outback.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait what, I don't even know what you'd find

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01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: in the outback where you would get DNA like that.

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01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it will be huge Australian mosquitoes unbeknownst to

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Speaker 2: man before this time. And we'll take that DNA.

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01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: And we'll book the whomever. The Jeff Goldbloom of Australia.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Ian Malcolm will be there and he will say,

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 2: this is chaos.

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: And it's chaos that we want you to be a

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01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: part of. So let us know what you thought about

1139
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: this episode. And hey, if you're in Australia, let us know.

1140
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 1: Let us know if any of these cryptos are taken

1141
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: seriously on the ground.

1142
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 3: Where you live.

1143
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: You know, have you ever used drop bears to get

1144
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: a group of blokes or Sheila's to hang out with you?

1145
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: Is it all just sort of a dad joke? You

1146
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Drop Bears we'd like to hear

1147
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: from you. You can find us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter,

1148
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: We're all over the place. If you want to see

1149
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,959
Speaker 1: those panda commercials, then get thee to our community page.

1150
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets.

1151
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: Crazy, Panda cheese. Everybody, We are going on tour. Remember

1152
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: that we got to tell you this every time we're

1153
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: going on tour.

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Speaker 3: We have been instructed.

1155
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: No, we haven't been instructed. We feel compelled to do so.

1156
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: You have to know this because we need you to

1157
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: come and see us. Yeah, we need you to be there.

1158
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: We want to see you. Yes, please, we need you

1159
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 3: more than you need us.

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Speaker 2: Can we hang out please?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Speaking of shout out to Michael Shelby. If you're listening, Michael,

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01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: I kept my word said, I give him a shout out.

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Speaker 2: Oh, one of the Shelby brothers. Huh. Anybody anybody get that?

1164
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: Anybody watching Peaky Blinders? Okay? Never run all right?

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01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 4: Uh?

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: Thomas Shelby hit me up if you're listening to this. Okay. So,

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Speaker 2: and that's the end of this classic episode. If you

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01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: have any thoughts or questions about this episode, you can

1169
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,680
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1170
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,480
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01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,280
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1172
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: you don't want to do that, you can send us

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