1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Laura Carlson. It's day nine since 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: coronavirus was declared a global pandemic. Our main story. Virus 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: rates are jumping in U S states that began opening 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: up over the last month, and recent Protestant cities around 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: the country have experts worried cases will surge in those centers. 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: So is a second wave of the virus inevitable? And 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: did the first ever end? But first, here's what happened 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: in virus news today. In Beijing, there are worries about 9 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: a new outbreak. The city lockdown ten residential compounds in 10 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: the northwestern Hai Dingju district on Monday after finding coronavirus 11 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: cases at a nearby market. The cases are linked to 12 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: the nearby shing Fati wholesale market, which has been the 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: epicenter of the new cases. China's Vice Premier Sun chun 14 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: Lan set in a meeting Sunday that the risks are 15 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: high for Beijing's coronavirus resurgence to spread because so many 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: people have visited the xing Vati market. The US is 17 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: likely to keep a ban on travel from the United 18 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: Kingdom in place for months. Anthony Fauci, the top US 19 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: infectious disease expert told Britain's Telegraph newspaper to expect travel 20 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: restrictions to last for months and possibly until a vaccine 21 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: is available. Fauci also expressed hope one or more vaccines 22 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: being developed could be ready by the end of or 23 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: one Close to four million UK citizens normally visit the 24 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: US each year. The US, with some exceptions, ban travel 25 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: from China, the UK, and the European Union. In May, 26 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: it added Brazil as cases spiked there. Finally, the US 27 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: is seeing signs of a resurgence in cases in some areas. 28 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: Scott Gottlieb, former US Food and Drug Administration chief, said 29 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: on CBS is Face the Nation that case counts are 30 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: rising and hospitalization rates are high in some states, that, 31 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: along with a high percentage of positive tests, suggests there 32 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: are outbreaks underway. Gottlieb said the rise can be attributed 33 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: to states loosening their stay at home restrictions and starting 34 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: to reopen businesses. States like Texas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, 35 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: South Carolina where you see those outbreaks right now, never 36 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: really reduced the number of cases substantially. They had spread. 37 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: It was persistent and now it's flaring up, and those 38 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: resurgences are today's main story. Texas and Florida, two of 39 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: the most populous US stay eights, reported record numbers of 40 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: new COVID nineteen infections on Sunday. The recent surge in 41 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: those states and others has led public health officials to 42 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: worry that reopening the economy has come at too grave 43 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: a cost. Between reopening policies, weariness was staying home and 44 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: large protests around the country, Americans are moving around and 45 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: interacting more than they have in months. That poses a 46 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: real threat to public health. I talked to Bloomberg reporter 47 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: and a court who has been covering what is increasingly 48 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: looking like a second wave of the virus. Over the 49 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: last week or so, we have been hearing a lot 50 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: in the news about a so called second wave of 51 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: this pandemic. Can you tell us a little bit about 52 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: what we mean when we say second wave? The term 53 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: second wave has become very polarizing. What there or not 54 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: it is a second wave? I think who you ask, 55 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, we'll give you very different answers about it. 56 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: Is it technically a second wave? If the first wave 57 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: never really went away? Is the big question everyone's asking 58 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: and it doesn't really matter in my book, and I 59 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: think in most people's books, because the unquestionable trend here 60 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: is that we're seeing in increasing cases and there's some 61 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: concerning trends in terms of hospitalizations as well in some 62 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: parts of the country. Now, of course, the increase in 63 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: cases is not unilateral. Across the board, US cases overall 64 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: have been rising at about you know, I think the 65 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: average over the last week is about one point one 66 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: or one percent. So across the board it looks fairly stable. 67 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: But if you then zero in on certain you know, 68 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: parts of the country, certain states in particular, we've seen 69 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: some increases that you know, public health experts say are concerning. 70 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: So um, the states in particular I think that are 71 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: important to zero in here are places like Florida, Texas, UM, 72 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, Arizona in particular. You know, we e been 73 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: seen in places like California, where you know, California was 74 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: really early to respond to the coronavirus, put a lot 75 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: of restrictions in place, and yet you know, California's cases 76 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: are are also still going up. UM. But you know, 77 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: there are certain states people talk about in particular when 78 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: they say, you know, we are worried. And it's really 79 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: that group of sort of Florida, Texas, Arizona that really 80 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: kind of stands out to people, and is there anything 81 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: that we can point to as to why these states 82 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: are being hit with this surge in new cases versus 83 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: others Understanding what's going on here is more complicated than 84 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: it sounds. I think a lot of people are quick 85 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: to rush to, well, it must be because of this 86 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: or that, right. A lot of people are pointing to reopenings, 87 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: which are definitely a big factor, right. I mean, if 88 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: you're in a place in your local businesses are reopening, um, 89 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: you're moving around more, you're interacting with more people, like 90 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: that's that's obviously a factor here, but it's not unilaterally 91 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: across the board clear that that's why some places are having, 92 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, these spikes and cases. You know, a lot 93 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: of people ask about protests to what's the role of 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: protests in all this, and the experts I spoke to 95 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: sort of late last week said, it's a little early. 96 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: We're not totally sure what's going on there, because it 97 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: does take some time for people to develop symptoms after 98 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: being exposed. And then if you think about it, if 99 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: you're starting to feel sick. It maybe it takes you, 100 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, some period of time to seek out a test, right, 101 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: to figure out how to get tested. In terms of hospitalizations, 102 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: that's usually lags even further. Right, So the hospitalization numbers 103 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: you know that we see, you know, usually that infection 104 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: started several weeks earlier, and we only see those hospitalization 105 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: numbers a lot later. And so that's another reason we're 106 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: tracking cases, right, because you know, cases are a thing 107 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: that that are relatively easy to track and stay somewhat 108 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: closer to sort of the curve in terms of of 109 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: what's happening in different states relative to hospitalizations. So it 110 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: does sound like there's no relationship that we can determine 111 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: yet between whether or not a state was early to 112 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: lockdown or was strict in its lockdown measures or in 113 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: terms of its reopening measures. Um. You made the example 114 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: of California versus Arizona, and it sounds like they had 115 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: very different approaches to both how quickly they locked down 116 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: and how quickly they were to open up. I think 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: it's it would be even early to be that definitive 118 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: about what's going on here. Um, But something I would 119 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: sort of point to in terms of trying to make 120 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: sense of this trend is you know, one thing we 121 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: know for sure, UM, relative to sort of the stay 122 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: at home period, the lockdown period, is that Americans are 123 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: moving around more, right, They're going to more non essential businesses, 124 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: They're perhaps even interacting socially more, and we know that 125 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: that's a risk factor for spreading the coronavirus. So, and 126 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: the reason we know this is because, UM one really 127 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: great sort of data set that that has been available 128 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: to you know, journalists, researchers, public health expert is cell 129 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: phone data. And so you can tell where people are 130 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: moving around, and there's very clear evidence that people are 131 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: moving around more than they were before. Now there are 132 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: also maybe cultural norms I think playing into this as well. 133 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: If you think about, you know, how people are behaving 134 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: in your area, and I think we all see this 135 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: anecdotally on the street, right Are people wearing masks? Are 136 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: they actually wearing them? Are they on their chin? You know? 137 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Are people handwashing our people? You know, hanging out outside 138 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: of bars with take out you know drinks, you know, 139 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: are they gathering in groups? Are are there restaurants where 140 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: where people are all sitting inside and not wearing masks? 141 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: So you know, I think a lot of these cultural 142 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: factors may also be playing playing into the spread as well, 143 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: and that's a little bit less clear. You know, it's 144 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: harder to measure, it's harder to get a grip on, 145 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: I think, but it's obviously a part of this whole phenomenon. 146 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: And we've heard public health officials and states saying we 147 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: urge you to wash your hands, to wear masks, so 148 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: socially distance. But you know, how well that's actually playing 149 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: out in different states is hard to know. And I 150 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: was hoping you might be able to go into the 151 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: details of one of these states, in particular, what about Arizona. 152 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: How is that state looking right now? You know, Arizona 153 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: is an interesting one because we have seen this sort 154 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 1: of trend in terms of the numbers there, and you know, 155 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: I spoke with a doctor there who said, you know, 156 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm really hoping that because it's so hot outside, people 157 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: will just stay inside in their own homes and air conditioners, 158 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, and not you know, be out and about 159 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: and potentially helping contribute to the virus is spread. But 160 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: we also know, you know, there were some very well 161 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: publicized things going on in Arizona around Memorial Day weekend, 162 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: there were you know, bars and restaurants in in Scottsdale 163 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 1: that were you know, packed with people. You know, obviously, like, 164 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: we don't totally know at this point. I haven't heard 165 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: the public health officials in that state say this is 166 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: what's going on. So um, but I did talk to 167 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: a former public health official in Arizona who is now, 168 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, does public health kind of advocacy work, and 169 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: and he said, you know, part of the problem going 170 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: on the state is that after we lift did the lockdowns, 171 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: things were going pretty well up to that point. But 172 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: when they when they lifted you know, the stay at 173 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: home orders, when they said you can kind of start 174 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: engaging with life as you used to, there weren't really 175 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: restrictions place and there wasn't enforcement. So he said, you know, 176 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: everything was going pretty well until that point, and then 177 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of like and I love this quote 178 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: party on bro and so I think, you know, that's 179 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: the perspective of someone who's who's been in that who 180 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: lives in that state, who sees what's going on, you know, 181 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: who says, you know, at Costco people are wearing masks, 182 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: but at other places people are not. And I think, 183 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,359 Speaker 1: you know, that might help put some of this into perspective. 184 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: And you know, again, for those folks that perhaps are 185 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: dismissive of a a second wave theory or that we're 186 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: actually seeing a slow ramp up in cases, it does 187 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: seem that they're pointing to that this is simply the 188 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: result of increased testing in these states, that simply we 189 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: are able to detect more cases, not that there are 190 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: actually more cases. Can you go into, you know, the 191 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: the logic behind that approach. You do hear this point 192 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: of contention raised, which is that you know, US testing 193 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: has for COVID nineteen has undoubtedly expanded dramatically since the 194 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: early days of the virus. And so the question is, 195 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, where they're just similar amounts of cases before 196 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: that we weren't detecting and now we're detecting them, and 197 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: that could definitely be a factor here. It's hard to 198 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: totally know for sure, but we do know that in 199 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: some of these states that I mentioned before, places like 200 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: Texas and Florida, the cases are rising at a higher 201 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: rate than testing is rising. And so it's not a 202 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: perfect measure, but it does sort of help you zero 203 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: in on that argument a little bit. More, and you know, 204 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: we did hear, you know, Florida's governor say this is 205 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: because of increased testing, but you know, people don't really 206 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: agree with him. And I think, you know, the critical 207 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: factor to consider here is even if we are testing 208 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: more and we're catching more cases, the unquestionable reality is 209 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: that there are still cases of COVID nineteen in the US. 210 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: The more people have COVID nineteen, you know, the higher 211 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: the levels are in an area or a state, the 212 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: more people aren't risk of catching it too. And so 213 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: this is definitely a virus that is still around, that 214 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: has not disappeared. The virus is still very much with us. 215 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: And I think that's the question that we all have 216 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: to really be thinking about, is you know, has it 217 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: been tempting to believe that the virus has gone away 218 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: if you don't know anyone who hasn't just because people 219 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: are tired of what's been going on for the last 220 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: several months. It's not something I think anyone is enjoying. Um. 221 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: But the reality is the virus is still very much 222 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: with us, and that's what these numbers should tell us. 223 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: And the other reality is that public health officials have 224 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: to decide how to respond to these numbers. And this 225 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: is going to be a pretty critical time in terms 226 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: of seeing you know, our state's gonna put pausing reopening 227 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: on the table the way that Oregon did. You know, 228 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: we don't know where things are going to go right now, 229 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: but we have heard you know, New York's governor, for instance, saying, 230 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, New York is actually right now in a 231 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: really good place in terms of the virus UM. But 232 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, he said, we're getting complaints about behavior. If 233 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: things are bad, we can roll back restrictions. That's that's 234 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: definitely an option UM. And I think that's something that 235 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, how this pans out, will be playing out 236 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: across the United States, you know, this week and weeks 237 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: to come, and potentially for a long period of time 238 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: until there are better treatments and and vaccines um vaccines 239 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: at all available for for this virus. That was an 240 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: accord And that's our show today and for coverage of 241 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: the outbreak from one bureaus around the world, visit Bloomberg 242 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: dot com slash coronavirus and if you like the show, 243 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: please leave us a review and a rating on Apple 244 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: Podcasts or Spotify. 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