WEBVTT - Saturn's Brood: Beyond the Outer Ring

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stuff to blow your mind from how stop

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<v Speaker 1>works dot com. There's peace in those rings. As we

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<v Speaker 1>spiraled into Jupiter, our orbit decaying rapidly inside the path

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<v Speaker 1>of the sulfurous io we assumed that we and our

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<v Speaker 1>forest stone bio arc were headed for the same fate

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<v Speaker 1>as the old Galileo probe, through the fierce radiation belts,

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<v Speaker 1>through the crushing gravity, into the Jovian atmosphere, and all

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<v Speaker 1>the way down. But then something happened. It was as

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<v Speaker 1>if a hand of a silent god reached out from

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<v Speaker 1>the darkness of space and just plucked us gently from

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<v Speaker 1>the depths of the gas giant's gravity well lifted us

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<v Speaker 1>up up to freedom. We still don't know what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Our navigational computers have no explanation, but our orbit ceased

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<v Speaker 1>its decay, and with the slow gradual acceleration, driven from

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<v Speaker 1>some source totally foreign to the ship itself, we were

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<v Speaker 1>on our way, but not on our way home. Something

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<v Speaker 1>out there, some unknown force, is urging us in the

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<v Speaker 1>other direction. Despite the long journey, our ever dwindling share

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<v Speaker 1>of sunlight, and the powerful radiation bath, we just endured.

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<v Speaker 1>The plants that once struggled for life in our forest

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<v Speaker 1>dome are now unexpectedly thriving, as if more of the

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<v Speaker 1>Solar System's great moons want to be seen, want to

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<v Speaker 1>be understood, and some hidden intelligence is helping them. And

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<v Speaker 1>now the cold golden wheel of Saturn looms in the foreground,

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<v Speaker 1>with its major moons appearing as tiny points of light

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<v Speaker 1>in the darkness, growing ever closer as our spiral begins again. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb and my name is Joe McCormick, and backed

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<v Speaker 1>by popular demand, we are now going to explore the

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<v Speaker 1>moons of Saturn. So this will be, I guess, a

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<v Speaker 1>sequel of sorts to the episode we did a while

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<v Speaker 1>back about the moons of Jupiter, or the major moons

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<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter. In both cases, these are large gas giants.

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<v Speaker 1>They have lots of moons, so we have to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say pick our battles, but they're not battles,

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<v Speaker 1>their missions of peace and exploration, that's right. Yeah. In

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Saturn here there are currently fifty three

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<v Speaker 1>known moons, nine currently awaiting confirmation, so that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of moons. But we're gonna, indeed going to stick to

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<v Speaker 1>just the the the key items of interest here, the

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<v Speaker 1>ones indeed that you've likely heard of in science fiction,

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<v Speaker 1>that you've certainly heard of, uh in science journalism. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna, we're gonna. We've picked up some good destinations

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<v Speaker 1>here for our trip. So Robert, Saturn is a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of different beasts than Jupiter, isn't it. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to lump them together. They're the two biggest

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<v Speaker 1>objects in our solar system, the biggest objects to enormous

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<v Speaker 1>gas giants, easily the two jazziest planets as well. Like

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<v Speaker 1>my my son who's four, I haven't really been pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the space agenda as much as I have like the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth sciences agenda, but even he instantly knows Saturn and

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<v Speaker 1>he knows Jupiter well. Saturn, I would say, is the

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<v Speaker 1>iconic image of a planet. Now, if you go to

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for clip art or vector images or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that of images of planets, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see Saturn because Saturn you can recognize it's got the rings.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the planet that's not just different in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>coloring and uh and what you might see about its

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere or lack thereof, or cratering and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Its whole profile is different. It's like a different animal altogether. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's kind of the pin up model of

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar System. It is the one that you see

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<v Speaker 1>the most, just really gleaming lt just crisp images. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you have just a row of globes, a row

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<v Speaker 1>of circles, the presence of Saturn, perhaps more so than

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<v Speaker 1>any of the others, is going to queue you in. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at a model of the Solar System. Oh right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the difference between a bunch of balls and planets.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also different than Jupiter in that Jupiter was

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<v Speaker 1>this very intense experience. Now Saturn also is very large,

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<v Speaker 1>it has a deep gravity. Well you know, it's got

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<v Speaker 1>those same things going for it. But Saturn, i would say,

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<v Speaker 1>is a more peaceful and colder thing to experience, unlike

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<v Speaker 1>the intense radiation bath of Jupiter. Yeah, it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>more serene. Those we'll discuss here. It itself is a

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<v Speaker 1>very hostile world, and its moons are pretty hostile as well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least to beings like at least two, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>weak fragile beings like us. We can scarcely survive outside

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<v Speaker 1>of a slim portion of our own planets environment. Reading

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<v Speaker 1>reading up for this episode, I was astonished to discover

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<v Speaker 1>how excited scientists are about the possibility for life and

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of Saturn's moons, Because when you think about

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<v Speaker 1>life in our Solar System beyond Earth, everybody always mentions Europa.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's the one that comes to mind, and for

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<v Speaker 1>good reason. There's a lot of reason to want to

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<v Speaker 1>study Europa from an astrobiological perspective. But Saturn has some

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<v Speaker 1>really good moons going for it, and we're gonna explore

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on on those moons today, all right. Before

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<v Speaker 1>we get into that, though, let's let's just roll through

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<v Speaker 1>some of the basics about Saturn just to give everyone

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<v Speaker 1>a grounding in the planet that plays host all of

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<v Speaker 1>these wonderful spheres and and ovals in a case of

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<v Speaker 1>alf just lumps of rock uh and the potatoes spongey potato.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, it's the second largest plane in our Solar system.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a gas giant without solid substance save it's dense, hot,

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<v Speaker 1>pressurized core of rock, ice, water and other compounds. And

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<v Speaker 1>all of this is an enveloped by liquid metallic hid

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<v Speaker 1>gen inside a layer of a liquid hydrogen. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's located nine point five astronomical units away from the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>six planet in our solar system, as the posters tell us,

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<v Speaker 1>and has seven icy rings that encircle it, spanning up

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<v Speaker 1>to one and seventy five thousand miles or two two

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<v Speaker 1>thoud kilometers. So what are the rings consist of? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wondered this. Yeah, the contrary to what bugs

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<v Speaker 1>Bunny you may have taught you, if if I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>they are not the solid rings that you can run

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<v Speaker 1>around on. They're not like a treadmill or anything. But

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<v Speaker 1>scientists haven't always known that that's true. They have not

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<v Speaker 1>always been aware of that. We know now that it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's mostly water ice. The planet's ring system extends hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of kilometers out from the planet, but the

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<v Speaker 1>vertical height is typically about ten meters or thirty feet

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<v Speaker 1>in the wine rings. Are you serious? But but but

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<v Speaker 1>but there's there's there's a key butt coming up. They

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<v Speaker 1>can grow far larger. During Saturn's autumn two thousand nine equinox,

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<v Speaker 1>the Casine Any spacecraft images showed us that vertical formations

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the rings had piled the particles up,

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<v Speaker 1>but in ridges more than three kilometers or two miles tall.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's some fascinating structures and behaviors that you can

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<v Speaker 1>see within the rings to including these like a propeller

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<v Speaker 1>shaped objects you can form. It's crazy now. Light Jupiter

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<v Speaker 1>Saturn is made mostly of hydrogen and helium, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the upper atmosphere, wind speeds can reach five hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>or sixteen hundred feet per second in the equatorial region.

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<v Speaker 1>These winds fast. It's pretty fast, so it looks more

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful than it is. Just because it doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>big red spot doesn't mean it has some some anger

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Uh. These winds combined with heat rising from

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<v Speaker 1>the planet's in tier cause the yellow gold bands that

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<v Speaker 1>we see visible in the atmosphere. But they're not as

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<v Speaker 1>visible as the bands we see on Jupiter. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not. It's not as angry. It's not. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>look like somebody just poured a bunch of like red

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<v Speaker 1>liquid into you know, a swirling mixer bowl of pancake

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<v Speaker 1>batter in blood. That is a great way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I think of Jupitery. Yeah, this one is

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<v Speaker 1>more just like pancake batter with some with some honey

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<v Speaker 1>at you know, there's a wonderful coincidence with the other

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<v Speaker 1>episode that we recorded this week, Robert, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>episode on the Library of Babel. And now I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure what the publishing schedule is going to be, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode on the in the Library of Babble,

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed how people in the Library of Babel seek

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<v Speaker 1>out the Crimson hexagon. That's right, and indeed there is

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<v Speaker 1>a hexagon on Saturn. It's it does not contain any books.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not a room per se. Well you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that, I'm pretty sure, but yes, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at you I'm sure a number of people have seen

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<v Speaker 1>seen images of this here. But if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at various images of Saturn, there appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>a hexagon at the top, almost as if it has

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<v Speaker 1>a little hexagonal hat, a little skull cap on um.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's weird to look at because you're seeing this

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<v Speaker 1>in nature. This is not obviously an object designed by

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<v Speaker 1>anybody on purpose. But it's not circular. It's got these

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<v Speaker 1>clear corners. Yeah, it's not the kind of shape that

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<v Speaker 1>you would necessarily expect. But there is, of course a

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<v Speaker 1>very natural reason for this. This is caused by jet

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<v Speaker 1>streams uh in the in the wind systems of Saturn. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a region here that's bound on each side

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<v Speaker 1>by different editing editing storms. So it's uh, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing if you've ever met somebody who's playing

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of bubbles, you know, like doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of bubble art, and not sure what you mean bubble,

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<v Speaker 1>like blowing bubbles and sticking other bubbles, maybe blowing smoke

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<v Speaker 1>into those bubbles. Okay, I'm not very familiar with this

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<v Speaker 1>art form. Oh you're not. Oh it was Big Medicine

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<v Speaker 1>on like Sesame Street and and um Mr Rogers neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>and back in the day, I completely lost touch with

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<v Speaker 1>my inner child. Well, blowing big bubbles is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun, but blowing small bubbles too, because you can

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<v Speaker 1>join them together, and if you really know what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 1>you can form geometric shapes at the center where these

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<v Speaker 1>bubbles bubbles border other bubbles and kind of force different

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<v Speaker 1>shapes towards the center. Oh yeah, okay, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're talking about. So I try to think

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<v Speaker 1>of that when I think of this particular scenario to

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<v Speaker 1>try and remind myself that yes, uh, non spherical shapes

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<v Speaker 1>are possible within nature given the right circumstances. Now, another

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<v Speaker 1>quick fact about Saturn. Here a day last ten hours

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<v Speaker 1>and a year. The time it takes through the body

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<v Speaker 1>to orbit its central star last twenty nine earth years,

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<v Speaker 1>and the planet's a magnetic field is smaller than Jupiter's,

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<v Speaker 1>but still five seventy eight times as powerful as Earth's,

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<v Speaker 1>shielding Saturn and many of its moons from the solar wind. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's going to be important if we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, putting a colony there, yea very important.

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<v Speaker 1>So on that note, let's start talking about the discovery

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturn, the discovery of Saturn's moons. Saturn, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is a very We've known about Saturn for a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time. Right, nobody knows who discovered sat turned because

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<v Speaker 1>the ancients knew about Saturn. We've known about Saturn as

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<v Speaker 1>long as we've had history. You know, naked eye astronomers

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<v Speaker 1>could peer up into the night sky and see Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh so, what we're really going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about is the first telescopic studies of Saturn. And you

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<v Speaker 1>might recall from the last episode that the person usually

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<v Speaker 1>credited with discovering the largest moons of Jupiter, the four

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<v Speaker 1>Galilean Moons, was the Italian astronomer Galileo Galilei, and Galileos

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<v Speaker 1>also given credit for discovering the rings of Saturn, though

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't really understand what he was looking at. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, everybody already knew about Saturn, but they

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<v Speaker 1>knew it as a point of light in the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Galileo looked at Saturn, he saw something very odd,

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<v Speaker 1>a triple star. It looked like one enormous star with

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<v Speaker 1>two tiny stars attached to it on either side, like

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<v Speaker 1>little side cars riding along with it. Now fun fact,

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<v Speaker 1>Galileo wanted to get credit for being the first person

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<v Speaker 1>to discover this triple star, but he wasn't ready to

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<v Speaker 1>publish his findings yet, so he used a method that

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was pretty clever. He instead disseminated an anagram.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, when this came up, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to look up anagrams of our names for fun. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no good ones, not really. My name is I've

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<v Speaker 1>got comic Jock rim and that's got it. But Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got some awesome anagrams in case you've never looked

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<v Speaker 1>him up before. You've got Mr babel rot that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>You've also got barrel tomb, barrel to m okay. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>uh So, anagram jumbled around letters, you know, jumbled up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can you can und jumble them to

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<v Speaker 1>spell the original message and show if it's a sufficiently

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<v Speaker 1>short number of letters, you know, you can show that

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<v Speaker 1>you had this idea all along, and that that was

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<v Speaker 1>Galileo's idea. So the anagram that Galileo spread around could

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<v Speaker 1>be unjumbled to read something along the lines of I've

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<v Speaker 1>discovered the triform planet, and if anybody tried to scoop him,

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<v Speaker 1>he could just unscrambled it and show that he had

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<v Speaker 1>seen it first. But we now know that Saturn is

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<v Speaker 1>not a triform planet. So who figured that out? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>In sixteen fifty five. Around sixteen fifty six, the Dutch astronomer, mathematician,

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<v Speaker 1>and all around science guy Christian Hygans made a study

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturn through a more powerful telescope, and he made

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<v Speaker 1>his own discoveries so by observing how the side stars

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturn could disappear and then reappear. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>something other observers had noticed too. Hygans realized that he

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<v Speaker 1>was actually looking at a planet surrounded by a flat

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<v Speaker 1>disc of rings. It could disappear because of what you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned about how flat it is, right, so it could

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<v Speaker 1>be very bright when we're looking at it at an

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<v Speaker 1>angle where the rings are reflecting up toward us. But

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<v Speaker 1>when the rings suddenly turned to where they're pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>perpendicular with our view, they completely disappear. There's not enough

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<v Speaker 1>surface to reflect anything. It's like a It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>lady in a hat with a wide brim. Depending on

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<v Speaker 1>how she is hold in her head, the positioning of

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<v Speaker 1>her neck, you may or may not see the brim

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<v Speaker 1>of the hat, and you'll see at a very degree y.

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<v Speaker 1>So she tilts her head towards you, you see the brim,

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<v Speaker 1>she tilts her head flat relative to your perspective, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't really see much. And so Hyggan's observed that. But

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<v Speaker 1>Hygan's didn't know what the rings were made of. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he actually thought they might be some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>solid structure, maybe more like the bugs money example, And

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<v Speaker 1>just try to imagine that in reality. Again. I love

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about like when you had less information and and

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<v Speaker 1>we just we're trying to conceive of what the universe

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<v Speaker 1>was like solid rings around the planet. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they based on the information available at the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why not fascinating. But of course subsequently we learned more

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<v Speaker 1>about the rings of Saturn. Now, of course, Hygan's discovered

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<v Speaker 1>something else while studying Saturn, a moon. Nobody had seen

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<v Speaker 1>any of the moons of Saturn up until this time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he discovered the largest moon of Saturn, which is Titan,

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<v Speaker 1>which is going to be a fascinating thing to explore

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<v Speaker 1>in the little little bit here. But then subsequently other

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<v Speaker 1>moons of Saturn were discovered by astronomers like Giovanni Cassini

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<v Speaker 1>and William Herschel. And we're still learning more about Saturn's

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<v Speaker 1>smaller satellites. Today, we don't know everything there is to

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<v Speaker 1>know about Saturn's moons and especially it's smallest moons. Yeah. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>like I mentioned earlier, fifty three known moons, nine currently

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting confirmation, so we're still figuring it all out. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>We have actually sent exploration missions to Saturn. So there

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<v Speaker 1>were several fly bys Pioneer eleven, Voyager one, and two

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<v Speaker 1>that they did fly bys of Saturn, did a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of observation, but the big one, the real hero

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<v Speaker 1>for for planetary science and discovery and the Saturn sphere

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<v Speaker 1>is Cassini, the Cassini Hoygien's mission. So the Cassini orbiter

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<v Speaker 1>entered Saturn's orbit in two thousand four during Saturn's northern winter,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been conducting research on Saturn and its moons

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<v Speaker 1>ever since, and it has sent back some awesome photos.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the coolest thing about the Seni photos I've

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<v Speaker 1>always thought is how real photos that are taken by Cassini. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they're usually like color enhanced or enhanced in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, but real photos taken by this probe look

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<v Speaker 1>like illustrations. They often they just don't look like a

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<v Speaker 1>picture that somebody took with a real camera. But they

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<v Speaker 1>are with of course some enhancements. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. I love it when reality can't pass for real. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because the thing that you're photographing is so utterly unreal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to our earthling conceptions, to everything that we have evolved

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<v Speaker 1>a view here on this world. Yeah. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>another part of the Cassini mission was the Huygens probe,

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<v Speaker 1>which went down landed on Titan in two thousand five

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<v Speaker 1>after Cassini reached Saturn in two thousand four, and that

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<v Speaker 1>also sent back some amazing imagery and made some fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>discoveries that we will talk about in a bit when

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<v Speaker 1>it's time to speak of Titan. So now it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to take a quick break. But when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we will be spiraling in towards Saturn, beginning with the

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<v Speaker 1>outermost moons and working our way in. All right, we're back, Robert.

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<v Speaker 1>It it seems like we're coming up on a on

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<v Speaker 1>a strange outer moon. Yes, we in fact, we're coming

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<v Speaker 1>up on the largest of the outer moons. Iapus APUs, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't that sound Lovecraft. I in like something they

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<v Speaker 1>would worship. A chanted name appatus. You just want to

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<v Speaker 1>invoke it. Yeah, named, by the way for a Tartarus

0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.280
<v Speaker 1>bound Titan. So it's nice and it has a nice

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<v Speaker 1>gloomy feel to it. Ioppotus is not unlike the yenyang

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<v Speaker 1>of Chinese philosophy, to to prepare everyone for what you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna see here. Uh, it's leading hemisphere is dark while

0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.919
<v Speaker 1>it's trailing himisphere is significantly brighter. It's a tidally locked

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<v Speaker 1>world like a number of moons, meaning that one side

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<v Speaker 1>always faces Saturn and the other side always faces the void.

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<v Speaker 1>It essentially looks like the en Yang. It essentially looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the black and white cookie from that episode of Seinfeld.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the two face of Saturn's moons, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy to behold, and it's been crazy for scientists

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<v Speaker 1>to try and figure out exactly why this is getting

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<v Speaker 1>too shortly. Mentioning two face, It's it's monstrous in more

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<v Speaker 1>than one way in appearance. Yeah, that's right. It also

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<v Speaker 1>has an equatorial ridge, which is a chain of six

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<v Speaker 1>mile or ten kilometer high mountains, and this is wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>It it might have formed during a high speed rotation

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<v Speaker 1>period or most exciting at all of all, it might

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<v Speaker 1>be a collapsed ring. No, you're making that up. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of the theories, collapsed ring. Yeah. These are

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<v Speaker 1>essentially like the collapsed ring mountains, which sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect It sounds like something out of a Jack Vance novel,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So it could have had a ring that

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<v Speaker 1>was drawn into the planet by gravity, collapse into it

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<v Speaker 1>and became this planet wide ridge of mountains that looks

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<v Speaker 1>like a horror movie monster backbones sticking up out of

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:11.479
<v Speaker 1>the planet's flesh. It's crazy, a killer now it it

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<v Speaker 1>orbits at a little over two million miles or three

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<v Speaker 1>million kilometers away from Saturn, and it has probably and

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<v Speaker 1>this has probably protected it from tidal forces and melting

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<v Speaker 1>episodes that would have resurfaced it. So it's far enough

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<v Speaker 1>away from Saturn that that Saturn's gravity is not warping

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<v Speaker 1>it too much. It's not heating it and causing the

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<v Speaker 1>geological activity exactly. But you do have the strange dark

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<v Speaker 1>and white side, and um there have been three major

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<v Speaker 1>theories over the years as to why one side is

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<v Speaker 1>black and the other is white. Hit me all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So one theory is that i Appetus maybe sweeping up

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<v Speaker 1>particles from the more distant dark moon phobe and steadily

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<v Speaker 1>renewing this dusting to cover up all but the newest craters. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one sability. Another one is that I saw volcanism

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<v Speaker 1>may be distributing the dark materials. We're talking of volcano

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<v Speaker 1>like eruptions of hydrocarbons, perhaps to due to chemical reactions

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<v Speaker 1>that are in turn caused by solar radiation. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a planet that's half covered in soot sort of. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the third theory then, this is the one that's

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<v Speaker 1>that is backed up by a lot of data from

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven's uh Cassini fly by, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>that thermal segregation is going on. So what is that? So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the salad works. It takes the Moon as long as

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine days to rotate around Saturn, and it's some

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<v Speaker 1>dark material made its way to the Moon at some

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<v Speaker 1>point in the past, perhaps dude tying into one and

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<v Speaker 1>to the first theory, Um, then the long periods of

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<v Speaker 1>solar exposure on the dark side would have caused the

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<v Speaker 1>dark material to heat up and volatile icy materials within

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<v Speaker 1>the dark to sublime out and retreat to colder regions.

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<v Speaker 1>The bright regions become brighter and the dark regions get darker. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so sort of a slow attrition. Yeah, okay. So Yeapitus

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<v Speaker 1>is a fairly small world, right, it's about one seven

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<v Speaker 1>the mass of Pluto, about the width of Earth's moon.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is the life potential? I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our main question with all these right, Yeah, yeah,

0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 1>that's certainly that's the one thing we want to know

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<v Speaker 1>on each of these, is it possible that there's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of life clinging to this little moon. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>know that the planet itself is probably alive, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a curled up movie monster that's going to unfurled with

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<v Speaker 1>its backbone finally sinking in as it stretches its back

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<v Speaker 1>out and raises its claws. But assuming that's not the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just a rock in space, what we Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the hope that there's life on it? A very

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<v Speaker 1>very little, very little hope for life here. Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>insistence by various UFO groups that there are domed cities

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<v Speaker 1>or other such constructions here. But well, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>closely enough and you want it enough, you can find

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<v Speaker 1>dumb cities and just about any world. Ain't that always

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<v Speaker 1>the case? Uh? Could we put a colony there though,

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<v Speaker 1>if it were entirely self contained and we had the

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, the necessary technology, of course, possibly, But you

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<v Speaker 1>get down to the fact that there are worse and

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.919
<v Speaker 1>better places to consider in the neighborhood. But it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be like trying to put a colony on Io or something.

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<v Speaker 1>No items like you could do it, but they're better

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<v Speaker 1>places Interestingly enough, this world is the location of the

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<v Speaker 1>monolith in the original novel two thousand one of Space Odyssey.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so not wait, hold on the modelith the monolith

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth's moon or the monolith on Jupiter in orbit

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<v Speaker 1>around Jupiter. Right in the movie that it's in orbit

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<v Speaker 1>around Jupiter, but in the book it was Saturn. But

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<v Speaker 1>in making two dozen one Space odyestly they couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the models to look right for Saturn's rings, so they

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<v Speaker 1>changed it to Jupiter. Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting to look at the the media, the fictional

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<v Speaker 1>attention that had has gone to Saturn versus Jupiter, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like Saturn is often it's almost like Saturn

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<v Speaker 1>is the heaven of our science fiction dreams of our

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<v Speaker 1>future Solar system, and Jupiter is more the hell Jupiter,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least the limbo. Yeah, like Jupiters, where you

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<v Speaker 1>have the Jovian moons. That's where you put weird bases

0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:26.400
<v Speaker 1>and weird weird colonies and mining colonies and maybe prisons. Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, it seems like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of dreamy or stuff going on there. Yeah, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>just me that's my my read on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>examples I was looking at. No, it is dreamy. You're

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly right. I mean we mentioned that earlier. It's the

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Saturn imagery throughout popular culture and art and everything. It's

0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>very serene, very dreamy, very pretty, kind of quiet silver

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.639
<v Speaker 1>light in the background of space. Now we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>a quick fly by of the next moon because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like there's a whole lot to see there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is worth pointing out as a strange landmark

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<v Speaker 1>in the sphere of Saturn, and that's the moon Hyperion. Yes, Hyperion,

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>despite its wonderful name, despite whatever whatever you might expect

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 1>of it, based on Dan Simon's Wonderful Hyperion books, which would,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, do not take place on this Hyperion.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's alluded that a distant exoplanet named Hyperion

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<v Speaker 1>is colonized by individuals who are originally somehow tied to

0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Hyperion in our Solar system, but totally different things. Because

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<v Speaker 1>Hyperion in our Solar System, as it orbits around Saturn,

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially a giant potato. Yeah, it's an irregular shaped

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.399
<v Speaker 1>and it's very small, about a one point one times

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the mass of Earth's atmosphere, not Earth, but the gas

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>in the atmosphere, about ten percent the width of Earth's moon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not very big, and it's shaped very strangely, like

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<v Speaker 1>a like a spongy low density sweet potato. Yeah. I've

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:01.359
<v Speaker 1>seen it described as a large frozen double pile. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's the largest of Saturn's irregular, non spherical moons,

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 1>and it's probably the remnant of a larger moon that

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 1>was destroyed by a major impact. So this is just

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<v Speaker 1>a junk, man, this is a rubble moon. We're not

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna land there. There's certainly nothing, no life to consider here,

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>but it's kind of worth the point out as we

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<v Speaker 1>continue our journey towards a far more interesting um planetary object. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you hear that sound? I think we're I think

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>we're coming in. Now, what is that sound? It's signaling

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the Titans there. So Titan Titan is about the mass

0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>of Mercury, about one point eight times the mass of

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<v Speaker 1>Earth's moon, about a hundred and fifty percent of the

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>width of the moon, the Earth's moon. Uh, it's spherical, obviously,

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's Saturn's largest moon, larger than the planet Mercury

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 1>and this is the only moon that we're discussing today

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 1>that has been explored by a land ender, by a

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>human made lander, the Hohygan's Heightened Lander, a beast of

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>planetary exploration. There are videos available online that show the

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 1>landing imagery sent back by the Hygan's probe. You should

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>watch them, but try to imagine a tighten landing what

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 1>this world is like. Unlike so many of the moons

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 1>that we've surveyed before, this approach is very unique in

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>the Solar System. On Titan, we descend from orbit through

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:31.719
<v Speaker 1>a thick, cold atmosphere and everything below is shrouded from

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 1>our view from space by this murky haze, and you

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:39.639
<v Speaker 1>descend through the freezing fog and strong winds shake your

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.640
<v Speaker 1>landing craft. Yeah, this is the only moon in our

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Solar System that has clouds in a dense atmosphere, mostly

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>nitrogen and methane. And the atmospheric pressure is is about

0:26:50.800 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>greater than Earth, so roughly the same as you would

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>find at the bottom of a swimming pool. That's right,

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>But that's actually so that's heavy sounding to us like you.

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.679
<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't want to spend your life at the bottom

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>of a swimming pool, but it's tolerable. It's tolerable compared

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>to almost everywhere else in the Solar System. Venus. Yeah,

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>so in Venus you might have what like nine atmospheres

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. It's yeah, you couldn't survive. Uh.

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 1>And then other places there's almost no atmosphere, atmosphere pressure

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to speak of. It's nearly like being in a vacuum.

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Titan is close. Yeah, this is the Goldilocks finding the

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 1>bed or the porridge that is. It's not ideal, but

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>in a pinch my ears, but I can survive. But

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>so you land on Titan, You land in the middle

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>of an equatorial desert, and there's a strange sound and

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>tactle sensation you experience upon touchdown, not a dry thud

0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>like hitting rock, but a splat, the sound of the

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>soil that you're landing on being wet. Welcome to bog World. Now,

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>it's maybe not exactly fair to say bog world, because

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.879
<v Speaker 1>the soil isn't as wet as the mud you'd find

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in many bogs on Earth, but relative to the rest

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>of the Solar System, it's bog world. Titan is bog world,

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>and as far as we know, Titan is the only

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>place in the Solar System other than Earth that has beaches.

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Some planets have subterranean oceans covered in ice a rock, right,

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about that. Some have frozen polar water ice

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 1>or frozen ice surfaces entirely, But Titan has liquid lakes

0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 1>on a terrestrial surface. However, those lakes are not the

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>water lakes we know and love. Titan has a hydro

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>carbon hydrological system, which translates to seas and rivers of

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>liquid methane. So in the equatorial region there's this vast

0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>desert of ancient water waterways, ancient river beds, and dried

0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>up coastlines, and towards the poles you'll come across clouds

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and storms and methane lakes. Now, Titan itself is it's

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>it's mass is composed mainly of water in the form

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>of ice and rocky material. In fact, Titan is so

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>cold negative trees fahrenheit or negative celsius that water essentially

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>acts like rock and lava too on our world. So

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the ground you walk on, I guess it's ice mostly,

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 1>but it is water water ice that acts like rock. Yeah,

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's crazy to think about that that it's

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>this this it sounds like an alternate dimension where everything

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>is a little skewed instead of instead of motions of water,

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>it is it's it's this other substance. And uh and

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and the rock is actually water. It's like everything's turned

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>on its head in topsy turvy. Totally true. And that's

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>actually something that's covered in a fantastic lecture that I

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>listened to given in two thousand eleven by the Nasive

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>planetary scientists Christopher McKay about the possibility of life on Titan.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>And Uh. I listened to this lecture. I thought it

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>was great, and I just wanted to cover some of

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the things he talks about and maybe we can have

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a discussion about what they mean. But so in this

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Christopher McKay lecture, he begins by noting a curious fact.

0:30:14.840 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>So several years back, we had detected that titans atmosphere

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:23.240
<v Speaker 1>features a hydrogen flux towards the surface. That means there's

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen in the atmosphere and it appears to flow down

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to the ground and then not come back up. So

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>what's happening to the hydrogen on the surface of Titan.

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>We will come back to that question. So McKay talks

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>about how all forms of life needs some way of

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>harnessing energy. So on Earth there are two primary strategies.

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 1>You've got like photosynthesis, right, capturing sunlight energy, and then

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>you've got chemical energy redox chemical energy. So life also

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>needs several other things. It needs carbon, you know, organic

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>molecules to make it tissues out of for food and

0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. And it needs liquid water. I've already

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>discussed why that's a little problematic here exactly. So there

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be no liquid water, and the main constraint

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>on an environment being able to host life on Earth

0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>is the absence of liquid water. You can mess with

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>all the other variables, and as long as there's liquid

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>water there, there's still probably going to be something alive.

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>This is why world's with some form of liquid water.

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Sort of. The hot spots of Solar system astrobiology investigation

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>like Europa Enceladus, another moon of Saturn will get to

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>in a bid, and the recently discovered spongy wet spots

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that appear seasonally on Martian soil. I don't know if

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>you've read about that, but it's pretty cool, uh that

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 1>they found that, you know, there's some parts of the

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>soil on Mars that seemed to thaw seasonally. So even

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>if there's just occasionally liquid water, there's more hope than

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>than this world of Titan, which seems to just be

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>ever in the freezer. Yeah, but McKay point out something interesting.

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not necessarily the compound H two O itself. That's

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>important because there are plenty of worlds full of completely

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>frozen water ice that that don't seem to be good

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>candidates for for life. Life is ultimately a subset of chemistry.

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 1>It's biochemistry, and that chemistry needs a liquid medium to

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>take place in. Liquid is sort of like the canvas

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 1>on which you you know, paint the wonderful artistry of

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>complex chemistry. So maybe it's not water that's the key.

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just liquid. It's the liquid phase of matter. So

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:39.719
<v Speaker 1>how about those methane lakes on Titan. In many ways,

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Titan is analogous to Earth. So Christopher McKay points out that,

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>like Earth, that has a nitrogen based atmosphere. And if

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, wait a second, I thought we had an

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>oxygen atmosphere, oxygen is only about our atmospheric composition, about

0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight percent of our atmosphere is nitrogen, and if

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:00.400
<v Speaker 1>our atmosphere were entirely oxygen, this would be a problem

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>for you at high concentrations at regular atmospheric pressure, oxygen

0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 1>pure oxygen's toxic. It'll destroy your lungs. As we mentioned,

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>it has roughly comparable atmospheric pressure. Mackay compares it to

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.479
<v Speaker 1>being under fifteen feet of water. That sounds about right,

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>compared to what you said right being at the bottoms.

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>So it's not like Venus, it's not like Mars. It's

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not you know, it's not the nicest place to

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>be compared to what we're used to on Earth, but

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>it's closer to Earth than anything else we're aware of.

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>It has a hydrological cycle with clouds and rain storms.

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Now this is crazy. Yeah, I I don't usually think

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>of anywhere except Earth having rain. Yeah, and here we're

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about what methane rains. I say, yeah, methane, of course,

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>So the methane is going to be H four raining

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>down from the sky. And speaking of methane, Titan is

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>rich with organic compounds. Now this doesn't mean stuff that

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>we know to be alive or organic compounds are just

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>a sort of group name for carbon based com pounds

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>like methane that are very often associated with life, but

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 1>they exist independent of life. You don't have to have

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.760
<v Speaker 1>life to make them, but if you want carbon based

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>life to exist, these compounds need to be around. But

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the biggest difference is temperature, right, So average Earth temperature

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>is almost two hundred degrees c integrated more than average

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Titan temperature. So it's like a cold twin of Earth.

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>All this stuff that you see going on on Earth,

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, the hydrological cycle, the chemistry of the atmosphere,

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff sort of has a cousin

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.839
<v Speaker 1>that happens on Titan. But it's the freezing cousin. It's

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the much colder cousin. And that kind of makes you

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>wonder if one of Earth's main features, life also has

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 1>a cold cousin. So this is a situation where we're

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.919
<v Speaker 1>forced to to not dream of an entirely different form

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>of life, but to say life as we know it

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.399
<v Speaker 1>existing a slightly different world like but basically all things

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>being equal, if the parameters were skewed a little bit,

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>could a similar model of life still exists, Well, it'd

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>be life as we know it in one way but

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>not in another. So it would be carbon based life.

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>So it's life as we know it in that sense,

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>and we don't know of any other way that you

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 1>could possibly build life, you know, without carbon, though it

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 1>could be possible, we just don't know. Um. But it

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.479
<v Speaker 1>is completely unlike Earth life in that all Earth life

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>is water based, and this would be methane based, so

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:38.359
<v Speaker 1>it would be it would be completely alien biochemistry in

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that sense, but not in the sense that we'd still

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>have to imagine it's based on carbon, because carbon is

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the only chemical basis we can think of for building

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>up the kind of complex molecules that we see in life.

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So what did the the Huygens probe find when it

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>landed on Titan. Did it find microbes? You can guess no,

0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>because we would have heard about that, But it wasn't

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 1>equipped to find microbes. There could have been microbes there

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>and it wouldn't have known. It's not like it came

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>back so exactly. Um. And that might be a problem

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>if it did, because as as we now know, it's

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 1>very important to protect Earth from alien microbes. But a

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 1>little bit about the science behind the Huygens probe. So

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:23.320
<v Speaker 1>we when we sent the Huyggans probe to uh to Titan,

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>we built it sort of like a raft, as a

0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 1>floating boat like craft, because scientists thought that Titan was

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 1>going to be covered in a in a surface wide

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 1>liquid ocean of methane. And the reason for this is

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>because they were able to detect previously that the atmosphere

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>was rich in methane. And atmospheric methane doesn't last forever.

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>It gets slowly destroyed by radiation from the Sun and

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>transformed into other compounds. So you can't have a methane

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere that just hangs around for the entire lifetime of

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:56.719
<v Speaker 1>a planet, you know, four billion years or however old

0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 1>it is since Titan was formed, so there has to

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.879
<v Speaker 1>be something on the surface to replenish it. And from

0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:05.799
<v Speaker 1>this they reasoned, it looks like there's liquid methane on

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the surface of Titan which is slowly evaporating being processed

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 1>turned into atmospheric methane gas. And so they thought, okay,

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 1>we'll drop a boat into these methane lakes and we'll

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>see what happens. But instead of dropping into lakes, it

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:22.040
<v Speaker 1>dropped into the equatorial region of Titan, which was something

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>more like a desert, but the probe was able to

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>detect that it was not as totally desert like as

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>it first seemed. As we mentioned before, the ground is soft, soft,

0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and damp, moist soil, and one instrument was also able

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 1>to notice that methane steam was coming out of the

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>soil where the relatively hot spacecraft was sticking into it. Okay,

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>so if there's liquid all throughout the soil, this liquid

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 1>methane throughout the soil on Titan, that seems like an

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.120
<v Speaker 1>analogy to what we experience on Earth, where pretty much

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 1>anywhere there is moisture of any kind you can find life.

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>By by analogy, it seems like if there's life on Titan,

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>we should be able to find it all over the place,

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>even in the desert. Yeah, even in the desert, because

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.919
<v Speaker 1>even in deserts on Earth, if there you know, there's

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>any water content whatsoever present, you're going to find some

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of life. So in his lecture, Mackay asks, Okay,

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>so if there's carbon based life on Titan that lives

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 1>in liquid methane instead of liquid water, how would we

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 1>be able to look for clues of this? And one

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.280
<v Speaker 1>one clue is looking at atmospheric engineering. So you've probably

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 1>read about how in looking for exoplanets, they've theorized that

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>one way we could look for life on exoplanets is

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>by looking for oxygen, right, because the presence of anomalous

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 1>oxygen is a sign of geoengineering by organisms, Like our

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:49.280
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is not oxygen because of the physics of planetary formation.

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't it wasn't like that when Earth was formed. Uh,

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.319
<v Speaker 1>Earth's atmosphere is oxygen because it's full of critters like

0:38:56.400 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>plants and cyanobacteria. Organisms change the atmosphere of our planet exactly.

0:39:02.239 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>It's their waste, it's their waste products, their poop, you know.

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>So they there or I guess they're they're breathing out.

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, however you want to phrase it. They

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>take in sunlight and CEO two. They use the energy

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>from the sunlight to split up the CEO two, make

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>body parts out of the carbon, and then spit out

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 1>the oxygen as a waste product. And so you could

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>look at the original oxygenation of Earth's atmosphere. Is this

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>mass poisoning event We just happen to be the kinds

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 1>of animals that evolved to thrive amidst this mass poisoning

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 1>and to work well with it. So how can we

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 1>look for similar clues on Titan. Well, you would have

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to imagine what an organism that gets along in liquid

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 1>nitrogen to do to make a living. So you imagine

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a carbon based life form that lives in liquid methane

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>and imagine how does it eat? What does it do? Well?

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Titan has tons of compounds on it that make perfectly

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 1>good food. One one example would be acetylene, or another

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.760
<v Speaker 1>would be ethane. So if you're an organism on Titan,

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>food is just all over the place. In McKay's words,

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 1>food is quote falling from the sky. It's not not

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>hard to get a meal there. But organisms like us

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 1>get energy by a combination of eating food. So taking

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 1>in these carbon based compounds and then breathing, taking an oxygen,

0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:21.280
<v Speaker 1>and then reacting that carbon and oxygen to create usable

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>energy and the molecules we need and the waste product

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>of CEO two. Our cold counterparts on Titan could perform

0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>a pretty much analogous process by reacting carbon based compounds

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and food with instead of oxygen hydrogen, and that would

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>create usable energy and then a waste product containing carbon

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and hydrogen like H four methane. Uh So, if there's

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 1>life on Titan, mackay and his colleagues predicted that it

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>would probably alter the chemistry of the surface by depleting

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>it of the compounds it eats and breathes, like acetylene,

0:40:56.680 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 1>ethane and hydrogen. And remember we started with that missing hydrogen,

0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>so that there's hydrogen flowing down to the surface and

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 1>then disappearing. So the most fascinating possibility is that some

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:11.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of organism at the surface is consuming hydrogen spitting

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>out methane as part of its metabolism and respiration, and

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 1>that's how it gets along. Now we don't know. This

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 1>isn't proof, right, we don't know that there's something alive

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>on Titan, but but it definitely makes Titan worth a

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 1>closer look. I think we should send more probes, right

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 1>most definitely, we definitely we should definitely send more probes

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>because one reason is always more problem. One reason, of course,

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.440
<v Speaker 1>is that you know, if we find and this is

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.720
<v Speaker 1>something that McKay points out, is that if we find

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>life on Mars or Europe, current life, pass life, etcetera,

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a chance that it's related to us, right, But

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>when in contemplating Titan, this would be an entirely different form,

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 1>it would be it would be unconnected to us because

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 1>it would be based on a different biochemistry. Yeah, I mean,

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no liquid methane based biochemistry on that and then

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and there probably couldn't be because Earth is just not

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.399
<v Speaker 1>cold enough. Like we look at at Titan and say,

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 1>how could you live on a world that cold? But

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.879
<v Speaker 1>any life form on Titan would look at Earth as

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>like like we look at Venus. You know, it's just

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>this unbearable hell of intense heat where you know, the

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff you need to live, the liquid methane you need,

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>just it boils. You know, you can't you can't sustain it.

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, we mentioned sending those probes, what what would

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>they look for if we did send probes, Well, McKay

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>suggests one thing, look for evidence of the chemistry of

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>life there. So the example he gives is that organisms

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>on Earth we get oxygen easy, but nitrogen is difficult

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>for us to come by. So we have enzymes that

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>have to bust up nitrogen into molecules in the atmosphere

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:52.319
<v Speaker 1>and make them into ammonia in h three. Now, on

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>a world like Titan, the problem wouldn't be getting uh,

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>getting nitrogen making ammonia. It would be getting oxygen because

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>there's no sygen available except that which is locked up

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 1>in the frozen H two oh, the water ice that

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>makes the rocky ground of this planet. So you'd see

0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>organisms with enzymes for melting water ice and getting that

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 1>oxygen out of it. Uh. And then another thing he

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 1>finally suggests is to scoop up organic material from Titan

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and then look for biases in the distribution of organic materials,

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, so looking for molecules that are appearing and

0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>anomalous concentrations that wouldn't be explained by inorganic chemistry, but

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 1>would be explained if you're looking at a place where

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the chemistry of the surfaces being processed constantly by life forms.

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 1>But the idea of life on Titan is interesting to

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 1>me because of how cold it is, So we know

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a basic correlation between heat and metabolism, right, so

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>a life form that lives on Titan is probably a

0:43:55.920 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 1>very slow moving form of life, slow metabolism, slow life cycle,

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 1>slow evolution. And this kind of makes me wonder about

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 1>weird thought experiment extending out from this, what would intelligent

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>life that evolved on a freezing liquid methane world look like?

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.839
<v Speaker 1>Because in many ways, I think our idea of intelligence

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:22.920
<v Speaker 1>is heavily colored by speed. Right, So can you imagine

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:26.800
<v Speaker 1>an organism that has as much technological and problem solving

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>intelligence as a human but does everything literally one hundred

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:37.319
<v Speaker 1>times slower, but potentially living a lot longer as well.

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.439
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I guess it all becomes relative. Then

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's it's just harder for us to contemplate,

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 1>Like I have a hard time imagining something that's not

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a like whale sloth in this scenario, and then wondering,

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.759
<v Speaker 1>and then it's even a greater leap for me to

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 1>try to imagine this alien ethane based whale sloth even

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>developing crude technology on this world. Like right, It's just

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:11.600
<v Speaker 1>it's almost too much for me to fathom. I mean

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:15.920
<v Speaker 1>sirens obviously, Oh yeah, well let us not speak of

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the sirens of Titan. But I I agree with you

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>about the difficulty of imagining you know, the whale sloth

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>like um, And I just tried to do some math here,

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>like if a development happened in humans one million years

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 1>after the emergence of the species. Could you expect a

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>hypothetical liquid methane alien world that did everything a hundred

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 1>times slower to reach the same development in a hundred

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>million years. Well, that wouldn't be ruled out by the

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>age of the universe. But then that sort of introduces

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>questions about like, well, wait a minute, I mean, how

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>would you even get a complex nervous system. Because it

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 1>took life on Earth what like four billion years to

0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>evolve from the first self replicating molecules to logical intelligence,

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:04.000
<v Speaker 1>So would it take life on a cold planet four

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 1>hundred billion years? Uh? And again I'm just using a

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred times faster or a hundred times slower as a hypothetical.

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly how slower it would be, but

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>if it would take something like that long, we've got

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a long time to wait before we

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>meet these slow moving organisms, because that's much older than

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the universe. Yeah, and again, to say nothing of the

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 1>various cataclysms and extinction events that are likely to out

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>to occur in the history of any light sustaining, life

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 1>evolving world. So it might very well be on the

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 1>path towards creating this and then whammouh, some some body

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 1>uh in Saturn's gravitational system just crashes into you and

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 1>wipes everything out. Yeah, but then again, I also think

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.360
<v Speaker 1>of a very slow organism as a very resilient organism,

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, which is hard to put them down. Yeah

0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 1>that you know the right comments, comments, strike the right

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:04.439
<v Speaker 1>the right meteor and certainly do that. Has anybody ever

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>created a sci fi alien like that? I'm trying to

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 1>think of one, Like an alien that's just amazingly slow.

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 1>The ants sort of sort of like the ants. Yeah,

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not remembering one off hand. They tend to

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.280
<v Speaker 1>be this kind of alien would tend to be the

0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:26.360
<v Speaker 1>the the the marginally experienced alien in a in a

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>rather rich diverse pantheon of alien species like this would

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 1>not be your central character because they're so unlike humans.

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>This would be like the one character that you go to, uh,

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, about halfway through the novel to get a

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 1>little elder inside. I guess, well, it makes me think

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that there there'd be a great creeping menace because imagine

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you colonize the world with some hundred times slower than

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>you cold cold liquid methane intelligent organisms, and at first

0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.799
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem like they're bothered by your presence. You

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.200
<v Speaker 1>can live in peaceful harmony. But it just took them

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a hundred years to decide that they were going to

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>destroy you. Yeah, they would play a different you know,

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 1>long term game. Uh. And so I certainly I have

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 1>encountered that in fantasy novels before, or what happens when

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you have the great threat does not have to that

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:20.839
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to worry about the day to day, even

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:22.879
<v Speaker 1>year to year. I can sleep for centuries and wait

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:26.840
<v Speaker 1>for the game, the game board to improve and the

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 1>situations to favor it once more. So you know, you

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>could see a similar model, I guess, uh with you know,

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 1>interplanetary situation, interplanetary politics, and then the great disadvantage we're

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:42.880
<v Speaker 1>always at we gotta go get the groceries. Yeah, so

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:44.799
<v Speaker 1>they can say, you know what, we can lose the

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>next three hundred interplanetary elections. You know, for us, that's

0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:56.719
<v Speaker 1>just that's just a nap, it's small hyperions. One last

0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 1>thing I want to talk about for and we mentioned

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:02.440
<v Speaker 1>future probes going to Titen. Definitely in favor of that titan.

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Last I heard was not the top priority for for

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>future missions, but it's you know, it's something that's being

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:13.400
<v Speaker 1>discussed and there are some proposals. But one proposal for

0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 1>future exploration of Titans surface is the use of a

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 1>type of robot that I think is really interesting. It's

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 1>been referred to in the press as the super ball bot,

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:26.040
<v Speaker 1>but I I like the design of this. I've talked

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.800
<v Speaker 1>about it on the other podcast I do forward thinking before.

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.400
<v Speaker 1>But the robot design is a rover that's based on

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 1>what's called tin Segreti architecture, and essentially it is a

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:40.359
<v Speaker 1>mobile robot that looks like a jumble of rods and wires.

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.320
<v Speaker 1>So if you just made a tangled ball of sticks

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.239
<v Speaker 1>and wires connecting them at the ends, that's what it

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:49.120
<v Speaker 1>would look like. And it moves by tensing and relaxing

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the wires, so it kind of tumbles along on the

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:57.400
<v Speaker 1>ground exactly. And it's resistant to damage from hard landings

0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, so that this makes it an interesting to

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 1>sign for a planetary rover to explore. But I've also

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:05.759
<v Speaker 1>always thought this would be a great design for a

0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 1>killer robot in the sci fi horror movie, like just this,

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 1>this tangle of rods and wires and it's kind of cute,

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of funny. It just kind of tumbles up

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.720
<v Speaker 1>to you, but then it wraps around you and tense.

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:20.560
<v Speaker 1>It's the wires and then you're in trouble. Well, you know,

0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense because there's at least one killer robot

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>movie that took place on the moons of Saturn. Saturn

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 1>three Um had Kirk Douglass in it. Oh, Michael, but Kirk,

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 1>this is the movie. You sent me the trailer too,

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and it has Harvey Kitel with like he's he's looking

0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>very slick in it. Yeah, he very Unharvey Kitel. Yeah,

0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 1>he's he's not his least sleazy roll I think, and

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 1>the kind of Flash Gordon asthetic and he actually looks

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>good in it. Yeah, fair Faucet in it as well.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>And that has a killer robot in it, not the

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:55.920
<v Speaker 1>greatest killer robot from cinematic history. But you know, beggars

0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>can't be choosers, especially when you're looking at films that

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 1>involve the Moons of Saturn. Joe, it looks like we're

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.600
<v Speaker 1>coming up on Raya. Yeah, that's right. So Raya after

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Titan Raya is gonna seem like kind of a let down,

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Raya or Rhea. I've seen it, said Ria. Also, so Ria,

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to downplay the beauty and majesty of

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.879
<v Speaker 1>this wonderful moon. And so it's the second largest moon

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter, second largest after Titan. Of course, Titan being

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 1>the largest, is about one six the massive Pluto, more

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 1>than of the width of Earth's moon. It's spherical, uh.

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.480
<v Speaker 1>In terms of life potential, there's not a whole lot

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 1>going on here. It's it's and the sort of almost

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 1>half lunicized sphere of water, ice and rock with relatively

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:43.480
<v Speaker 1>low density. In many ways, it's comparable to the next

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>moon we're gonna passdone. And as far as surface features go,

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it's got craters and it's essentially a serene, beautiful cold sphere,

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.879
<v Speaker 1>cratered in silent and in a far on a far

0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>lesser note, apparently the latest Independence Day and Dependence Day

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 1>resurgence involves at least a minor point about humanity building

0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.560
<v Speaker 1>at the fenced outpost here. So I don't know why.

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it just seems like a nice boring place to

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 1>put all those guns. I suppose, you know, there's sort

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.359
<v Speaker 1>of like a if you pronounce it ray uh. That's

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of like ray ray gun. Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.160
<v Speaker 1>That probably makes us as much sense as anything. It

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:28.840
<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense, Robert, makes so much sense.

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Let's spiral on in and move on to the next InterPlaNet. Yes, Dione,

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned, a small cratered moon mean radius of

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:43.399
<v Speaker 1>about three five kilometers, and what we're looking at here

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 1>is a hard frozen lump with a dense core, probably

0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:51.239
<v Speaker 1>a silicate rock, and the remainder of it is is

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>just ice water ice. Yeah, a very fine ice powder

0:52:55.400 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 1>that's basically like smoke from Saturn's e ring can instantly

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>bombards Diony, and the dust from the e ring ultimately

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 1>comes from Enceladus, which has prominent guys are activity that

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:12.200
<v Speaker 1>we discuss in a bet. Great wisps mar the surface

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of Dionne and uh, these turn out these are actually

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:21.040
<v Speaker 1>bright canyon ice walls indicating past tectonic activity, and these

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.359
<v Speaker 1>ice cliffs could be a mature phase of the so

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>called tiger stripes that are encountered on Enceladus. Right, So

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:30.200
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about the surface of Enceladus in a bit.

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>But Enceladus is a is a younger, smoother kind of

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>surface but it does have these stripes along it. So

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you're saying like, if if Enceladus were allowed to mature

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:42.239
<v Speaker 1>millions more years, it could end up looking more like

0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 1>some of the surface features of Dion. Yeah, this is

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:48.480
<v Speaker 1>essentially the old boring uh inencellatus. But nothing nothing in

0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:51.240
<v Speaker 1>the sphere of Saturn is boring. No, no, not boring,

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:55.640
<v Speaker 1>but the the the less interesting version of the same

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.840
<v Speaker 1>lunar idea. I guess we are spiraling in faster and

0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 1>it's something we've gotta acknowledge. Now. The next one is

0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.160
<v Speaker 1>going to be the moon teeth this or teth this

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:09.799
<v Speaker 1>uh so teeth. This is about sixty five of the

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:13.160
<v Speaker 1>mass of the dwarf planet series. It's pretty small, roughly

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>of the width of Earth's Moon, roughly spherical. There's not

0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of suspected potential for endogenous life on teeth this,

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:24.280
<v Speaker 1>uh and and teeth. This is composed mostly of water

0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:28.320
<v Speaker 1>ice with no real atmosphere. Is this frozen ice ball

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>tidally locked in orbit around Saturn. But the coolest feature

0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>of teeth. This is something that I came across I

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 1>think last year. I was reading about this and I

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I just love it. I'm not quite sure why. It's

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:48.320
<v Speaker 1>just a surface coloration feature. But in July, NASA reported

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that in enhanced color images from the Cassini spacecraft there

0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:55.840
<v Speaker 1>were a series of these arc shaped red streaks that

0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:59.200
<v Speaker 1>could be seen side by side parallel on the surface

0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of teeth Us, and it looks like Freddy Krueger slashed

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 1>the moon with his glove. It wasn't the first time

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the arcs had been seen. They've been spotted faintly visibly

0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 1>as early as two thousand four, I think, but this

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.719
<v Speaker 1>was the first time they were imaged really clearly. And

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:18.719
<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating because we were not positive at what causes them,

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:20.399
<v Speaker 1>at least as far as I could find, and maybe

0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:22.920
<v Speaker 1>somebody has a private theory somewhere, but I I couldn't

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 1>find that these are explained yet. They they're probably geologically young,

0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 1>these red streaks, because they cross over older features like craters,

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 1>But what created them and why are they red in color?

0:55:36.000 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Scientists don't know. So there was a NASA JPL press

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 1>release from that mentioned speculation on that they could be

0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:46.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe exposed ice with some kind of chemical impurities where

0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 1>they could be out gassing from inside teeth This, but

0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:52.879
<v Speaker 1>ultimately we don't know yet. All right, well, let's leave

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.399
<v Speaker 1>this moon behind us and move on to uh one

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:58.160
<v Speaker 1>of we've already uh discussed a little bit, and that

0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 1>is Enceladus Une about the size of Arizona. Yes, could

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.560
<v Speaker 1>fit within the borders of Arizona. Another way to to

0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:10.720
<v Speaker 1>imagine the circumference of this moon, it is not very large,

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:12.799
<v Speaker 1>is that if you were to punch a hole in

0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the earth along the borders of the state of Texas,

0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 1>you could drop And why would you want to do that? Why?

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.080
<v Speaker 1>So down on it. But just if you were to

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 1>do it, take a cookie cutter Texas sized cookie cutter

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:24.880
<v Speaker 1>punched out that part of Earth, you could drop Enceladus

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:28.080
<v Speaker 1>through the whole. So, coming after some of the giants

0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:31.560
<v Speaker 1>we've seen like Titan and and Rhea, you might be

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:35.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of underwhelmed by its size, But do not be underwhelmed,

0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:38.920
<v Speaker 1>because Enceladus is quite interesting. Yeah. One of the crazy

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:44.320
<v Speaker 1>features here is that Enceladus has hydrothermal vents that spew water, vapor,

0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>and ice particles from an underground ocean beneath the icy

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>crust of Enceladus, and the plume material contains organic compounds,

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 1>volatile gases, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, salts, and silica, and

0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.440
<v Speaker 1>it's all expelled out to a distance three times the

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.279
<v Speaker 1>radius of insult Us and at a speed of approximately

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:06.440
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred miles per hour or four per second. It's

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:11.359
<v Speaker 1>a continuous eruption that continually refreshes the Moon's surface. Uh.

0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:14.720
<v Speaker 1>And it cloaks the entire Moon in an enormous halo

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of fine ice dust, which then in turn feeds Saturn's

0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.040
<v Speaker 1>ear ring, which we mentioned earlier. Right, So the ear

0:57:21.120 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>ring is this outer ring around Saturn. You've seen those

0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 1>concentrated inner rings. That the ear ring is more this

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 1>great vast haze extend extending outward, uh from from Saturn.

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.320
<v Speaker 1>And it's uh oh oh, it's cool. I love the

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:39.200
<v Speaker 1>jets coming out of the south pole of this planet

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 1>feeding this. And there's an even cooler implication I want

0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:45.280
<v Speaker 1>to mention in a bit. But there's another striking feature

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:49.320
<v Speaker 1>of Insulatus that you would notice long before your spacecraft

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 1>sets down if you're landing on the planet. Enceladus is

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the most reflective large object in the entire Solar System.

0:57:56.440 --> 0:58:00.080
<v Speaker 1>It's like a bright mirror reflecting the sun straight it

0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 1>into your eyes, and Enceladus may be alive, not the

0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 1>planet itself as we discussed with the Appetus, but but

0:58:09.560 --> 0:58:12.240
<v Speaker 1>something within the planet. So Enceladus is believed to have

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a rocky core surrounded by a smooth, high, highly reflective

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>ice crust, but in between them, evidence indicates the presence

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of subterranean oceans, much like other moons we observed around Jupiter. Now,

0:58:26.040 --> 0:58:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I've seen claims of both global subterranean oceans and regional

0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>regional subterranean seas positioned under the south pole um. But

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:38.080
<v Speaker 1>either way, the ocean has started to become intensely interesting

0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 1>to scientists, especially astrobiologists. Now why is that, Well, we've

0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:47.080
<v Speaker 1>seen examples before where these where these subworld oceans. I mean,

0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 1>we have liquid water and then clearly we have we

0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 1>have jets of it, we have we have activity going

0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.840
<v Speaker 1>on here, there's energy taking place, there's warmth and with

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:59.200
<v Speaker 1>liquid and there, and there are important compounds as you

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.760
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, what's in those plumes coming out of the

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:06.240
<v Speaker 1>southern pole polar region of Enceladus. Again, the Cassini spacecraft

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:14.080
<v Speaker 1>detected organic compounds carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, salt, silica, volatile gases. Uh,

0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that's good stuff. If you look on live, going right

0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 1>down the list, checking off many of the key factors

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:25.200
<v Speaker 1>necessary for life as we know it. But do we

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:28.080
<v Speaker 1>know it? No, we don't. And that's the thing. The

0:59:28.120 --> 0:59:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Cassini spacecraft is not equipped much like the Huygan's lander.

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:35.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not equipped to detect the presence of life, but

0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:38.800
<v Speaker 1>it can, it can look for clues. Uh So the

0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:42.960
<v Speaker 1>material and these plumes go all over the place, sometimes

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:46.400
<v Speaker 1>it falls back down to Enceladus forms this filmy mist

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in space which you mentioned, becomes part of Saturn's e ring.

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'd just like to point out that if I

0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.440
<v Speaker 1>understand this correctly, if it turns out there is life

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 1>in the subterranean ocean of Enceladus, it's probably being spray

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<v Speaker 1>out in these jets. And if the jets become Saturn's

1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:07.760
<v Speaker 1>e ring, one of the rings of Saturn is a

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<v Speaker 1>graveyard of alien microbes spread hundreds of thousands of miles

1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:15.840
<v Speaker 1>into space. That is crazy to think of it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy or it's awesome and it's creepy. Either way,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's great. So much like Titan to do

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<v Speaker 1>the real exploration and discovery work about the potential for

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<v Speaker 1>life on Enceladus, we need another mission, got to get

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<v Speaker 1>back there. And I actually just recently read a piece

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<v Speaker 1>in Scientific American that was talking about one of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who's working on trying to plan such a mission,

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<v Speaker 1>the astronomer Caroline Porko. And this kind of mission obviously

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<v Speaker 1>is not easy to devise or or too fund But

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<v Speaker 1>best of luck to them all. Right now, Joe, as

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<v Speaker 1>we as we leave this moon and make our way

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<v Speaker 1>towards our next and final destination here our final object

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<v Speaker 1>of study, I do want to stress what you're about

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<v Speaker 1>to look at is not a death star. It's a moon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not space station, it's a moon. Um, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>of course about Mimus. Then why are we called an

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<v Speaker 1>instructor beam. Well, we're gonna have some questions then for

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<v Speaker 1>for minus. But but yeah, it basically Mimus is big

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<v Speaker 1>claim to fame. Is it's just a frozen moon that

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<v Speaker 1>looks a lot like the Death Star from Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got this big crater that looks a lot like

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<v Speaker 1>the weapon. What would you call it the crater in

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<v Speaker 1>the Death Star from which the planet destroying beam comes out? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>an enormous crater uh known as the Herschel Crater. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a hundred thirty kilometers or eighty miles. While it

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<v Speaker 1>dominates the landscape, giving the world's appearance the world an

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<v Speaker 1>appearance of a great eye. Uh. The crater covered Moon

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<v Speaker 1>is less than one miles and kilometers in mean radius.

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<v Speaker 1>It has roughly the land area of Spain. Not very big.

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<v Speaker 1>The not very big, and again, most of this visible

1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:05.040
<v Speaker 1>side is crater. It's not perfectly round either, more of

1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:08.120
<v Speaker 1>an an ovoid. The shape and it's a low density

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that it's consists almost entirely of water ice, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the the only substance we've ever detected on Mimus.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tidally locked. And this is crazy. It's it's believed

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<v Speaker 1>that the impact that created the Herschel crater probably came

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<v Speaker 1>close to just shattering it entirely. That's how because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a crater that big on a world this small, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was just a hair away from just

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<v Speaker 1>breaking it into pieces. So should that have happened, would

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<v Speaker 1>it have become another ring of Saturn? Potentially? Yeah? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly how the ring formation works, so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know. I guess, well, um, if nothing else,

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<v Speaker 1>it might end up resembling you know, one of like

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<v Speaker 1>the potato moon that we mentioned earlier. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>might still have a sizeable lump, but it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser lump. It would be one of those, uh

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<v Speaker 1>those other lump moons that are not discussing in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, among the among the fifty three named moons

1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of Saturn. Now, one of the interesting things about Mimus, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it should experience more tidal heating than Enceladus.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet while that frozen world, as we discussed both

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<v Speaker 1>geysers and h and and clearly experiences internal heat, Mimus

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<v Speaker 1>is just an unchanging waste land of ice. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we should have mentioned about enceladusts. I think I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to mention that the the what is the energy source?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, why is there? Well, it's some of the

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<v Speaker 1>same explanations that we saw in some of the moons

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<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter. It's it's internal stress caused by the orbit

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<v Speaker 1>and gravitational influence around it. So it's got a not

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly circular orbit. There's some changing gravitational fields, and this

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<v Speaker 1>causes stretching and flexing inside Enceladus that leads to heat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kinds of comparisons are often made between

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<v Speaker 1>what we know about Enceladus and what we know about Mimus,

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<v Speaker 1>to the degree that some have speculated on the assability

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<v Speaker 1>of a liquid ocean in Minus. But it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>small moon again, the size of Spain. It's it's hardly

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<v Speaker 1>the best candidate. But yeah, you could say there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>still an outside chance. So that's the case. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be passing Mimus at this point. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we were not trapped in a tractor beam. However, we

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<v Speaker 1>do seem to be moving rather quickly towards the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturn. Now, Joe, Oh, No, Saturn, which one seemed

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<v Speaker 1>quite serene and peaceful and beautiful, uh, glowing moons and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's frozen worlds and it's nice, you know, black

1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:42.040
<v Speaker 1>white harmony plant lunar body here, but yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's able to escape. If you notice that as we

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<v Speaker 1>get closer, Saturn is making a sound. Do you hear that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like uh in Raiders of the Lost Ark,

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<v Speaker 1>that scene where they zoom in on the box with

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<v Speaker 1>the arc in it and it's making that satanic miall

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<v Speaker 1>miallmy Allinois. I can't quite hear that. Over the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one space honestly monolith coral arrangement. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>because I have headphones in listening to that. I always

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<v Speaker 1>listen to that whenever I move in closer and closer

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<v Speaker 1>to a large, scary planetary object. The folks, I should

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<v Speaker 1>let you know that while we were working on this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert shared with me a fantastic mix that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a Saturn influenced electronic music mix that Robert, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got to share this on the lange. Oh yeah, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>I will make sure that there's a link to this

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<v Speaker 1>in the landing page. I believe it came from the

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<v Speaker 1>record label Acacia. Uh. Definitely worth checking out. They put

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<v Speaker 1>out a number of cool, cool tracks and cool releases

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, including some stuff from the Weirding Module,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of my one of my favorite musical

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<v Speaker 1>acts out there. This thing definitely made me wish that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a good John Carpenter movie taking place on

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<v Speaker 1>a moon of Saturn. Yeah. Yeah, we need perhaps we

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<v Speaker 1>need more John Carpenter space movies, that's what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>More like Ghosts of Mars, That's what I'm saying. Ghosts

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<v Speaker 1>of Mimus, Ghosts of Titan one for each get to

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<v Speaker 1>get ice cube on the phone and Jason Statham. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>so there you have it, Uh, the moons of Saturn.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you have both both the moons of Saturn

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<v Speaker 1>and the moons of Jupiter covered on. Stuff to blow

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<v Speaker 1>your mind. Now, there was absolutely no way we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to cover everything interesting about Saturn and its moons.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's tons more to learn out there, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly learning more. Yeah. Yeah, so so feel free to

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<v Speaker 1>look into this and research it yourself. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>should feel free. Don't let us tell you that that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't learn about Saturday on your own. But anyway, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we we do encourage you to do that because it

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<v Speaker 1>is a fascinating planetary system and all those moons are

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<v Speaker 1>great stuff. Uh and and I feel like we could

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten into even more about the rings sometimes. We

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<v Speaker 1>could probably do a whole episode just about the rings,

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<v Speaker 1>the ring moonlits and everything like that. Yeah, indeed, just

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<v Speaker 1>rings in general, because we could discuss other rings on

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