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Speaker 3: He actually, yeah, looking at it, Joe, some of this

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, And doesn't that kind of meshes with this

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Speaker 2: It's we have a task to.

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Speaker 1: Go back in tom to try to understand victims and

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Speaker 1: certainly perpetrators. And when you're looking at a case like

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting, I've been looking at this. I've

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So here we have.

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Speaker 3: Travis McBride and at let's see, he is forty six

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Speaker 3: he lose his cookies? Because he did in nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 3: It was negotiated into a settlement with everybody involved now

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Speaker 3: So that puts him at seventeen going on eighteen, late

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Speaker 1: You're still in the court's mercy zone there. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: That's a good point that actually, Yeah, And all right,

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Speaker 3: so He's seventeen, eighteen years old when he picks up

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Speaker 3: the he's arrested. Now he's arrested for felony aggravated battery,

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Speaker 3: deferred prosecution agreement. A year after all that goes down, Joe,

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Speaker 3: he's arrested again for felony aggravated battery. So he didn't

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Speaker 1: Can I say something real quick? Yeah, I will really wonder.

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Speaker 1: I really wonder looking back if we had access to

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Speaker 1: you look at his academic record, Dave, he didn't finish

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Speaker 1: course from there he springs board springboards on end too

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he did. I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: another interesting peek I think into his background, type of

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Speaker 3: Dave Well and what we're looking at here, he's twenty

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Speaker 2: It means he just went to college later.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at the issues he was having

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Speaker 3: that's what we're really looking at here in that nineteen

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Speaker 3: But there's nothing there. We've got some blankness here for

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Speaker 3: a number of years, and negotiates these aggression issues. He

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Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety six arrest and charging with felony aggravated battery,

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Speaker 3: he's not charged again with anything until twenty seventeen, So

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Speaker 3: But in that twenty year period of time, he does

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven. He I don't know what

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Speaker 2: There's a five year period.

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Speaker 3: We don't really know what he was doing, yep, and

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Speaker 3: maybe anger management was part of his thing. I would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one was initially a felonious attack, and that

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Speaker 2: Were they both were felonies.

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Speaker 1: Both of those got and got reduced. And yeah, you

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Speaker 1: I think you don't have to put your hands on them,

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Speaker 1: but you can be charged with assault, and sometimes that's

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Speaker 1: wonder was he merely threatening somebody? Was he menacing? I

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, it's really easy for people say, well,

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Speaker 1: But I look at your issuing a license to somebody

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Speaker 3: Well, the one thing we do know is that after

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Speaker 3: he's charged with a domestic battery by strangulation, nothing happened

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Speaker 3: That's in twenty seventeen. The dog involved here is what

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Speaker 1: You think about how broadly how much Tom has elapsed

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Speaker 1: and you know, we have to understand that at this

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: You know he's out there quote unquote taking care of

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Speaker 1: a look at at the assault versus battery charges. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love stories. I love to hear stories. I like

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Speaker 1: to kind of break them apart, dissect them. Did you

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Speaker 1: know some of the coolest stories I've ever heard when

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you said said it that way, Joe, because

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Speaker 3: no different. Clinton Dorsey was fifty one. He had been

436
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 3: married to his wife, Lisa for twenty eight years. They

437
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: had recently separated. They'd fallen on hard times in Florida,

438
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: had trouble finding a place to rent. Clinton Dorsey is

439
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: working as a handyman day laborer. What have you well?

440
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: His wife Lisa finally said I've had enough and she

441
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: moved in with one of their adult children in Kansas City.

442
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: Clinton Dorsey remained in Florida, where he stayed in a

443
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: homeless encampment in the woods across the street from where

444
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: Travis McBride had his home and his anchor management counseling office.

445
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: He McBride and Dorsey had a problem. I don't know

446
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: the ins and outs of the problem, but I do

447
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 3: know this. Travis McBride told neighbors that Clinton Dorsey was

448
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: trying to hurt his dogs by making the meat glass.

449
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: That was what Travis McBride had told us. That's the genesis,

450
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: the root of their problem with one another. That led

451
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: to everything that follows in this episode of body Bags.

452
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: But you know, you look at this and this, this

453
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: event in and of itself has some really cold blooded

454
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: elements to it, doesn't it.

455
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: We have witnesses, Joe neighbors, and that's where we get

456
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 3: the story from because McBride's not really talking. You know,

457
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: here's what we got. Police respond to a call of

458
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: a suspicious incident. When I see something like that, it's

459
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 3: kind of like with Coburger out in Idaho. It was

460
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: an unconscious person. You know, four people that have been destroyed,

461
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: blood everywhere, but it's an unconscious person. So this incident

462
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 3: began with a call at seven oh six am on

463
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: a Thursday in January in Florida, suspicious incident. When police arrive, well,

464
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: let me get to the nine one one call because

465
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: they're both anonymous. But the first call disbad. The call

466
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: says that the person was looking in the road. That

467
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: a person is looking in the road and cleaning up

468
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: the blood of the ground and searching for shells. This

469
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: is a nine to one one call saying a man

470
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: is cleaning up blood out of the street. A second

471
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: nine to one one call comes in, and this is

472
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: where I want to be very specific on this, because

473
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: the nine to one one calls said things such as,

474
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: a woman saw McBride shoot Clinton. This is a very

475
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 3: specific thing. A nine one call, I saw Travis McBride

476
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: shoot Clinton Dorsey. They didn't know his last name. Called

477
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: Hi Clinton. A woman saw McBride drag Clinton's body across

478
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: the street into the wooded area, the area he had

479
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 3: been living. These are words on the nine to one

480
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: one called Joe. A woman claims McBride visited her home

481
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: before the shooting looking for Clinton Dorsey. McBride told the

482
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: woman that Clinton door see put glass in a jar

483
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: to hurt his dogs. McBride said he was going to

484
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: kill Clinton Dorsey.

485
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: Wow. Uh yeah. You talk about, you know, going to

486
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: a premeditative event here, and that's not only revealed obviously

487
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: in this statement, which by the way, is a pretty

488
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: bold thing to say to some some citizen that you

489
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, you have maybe a neighbor that you have

490
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: a relationship with. Because now from you're looking at it

491
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: from the investigator's perspective, you're able to fit together a

492
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: timeline here and with specific markers along the way. And

493
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: there's evidence also post event too, because you've got this

494
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: subject going out into the middle of the road or

495
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: adjacent to that area to clean up blood. What exactly

496
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: does that mean when you're cleaning up blood? You know,

497
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: we can think about the methodologies that are used. Did

498
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: he show up with bleach, did he show up with

499
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: a big push broom, did he have buckets of water?

500
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: And what does that go to?

501
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: Uh?

502
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: To talk about his state of mind? Well, this is

503
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: you know that that legal concept, the Greek saying of

504
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: menacerae uh, where you have this idea of a guilty

505
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: mind and then you think about actus reyes the guilty act.

506
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: You compond both of those and you have concurrence. So

507
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: all the way around here we're looking at a guy

508
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: that's trying to well, that has plainly stated he's going

509
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: to kill somebody and apparently does because it's a witness shooting.

510
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: And then he drags this individual off into the woods.

511
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: Well with when you're looking at a death investigation, one

512
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: of the things, particularly in a wooded area, one of

513
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: the things we're looking at, and you hear this a lot.

514
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: Are things called drag marks because the dead are literally

515
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: dead weight. So if you grab somebody beneath their armpits

516
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: and you're dragging them away, one of the bits of

517
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: evidence that we're looking for are, for instance, if you've

518
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: got somebody that's face up or their heels dragging behind

519
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: them and they're leaving marks in the dirt. Maybe they're barefooted,

520
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: or maybe they have tennis shoes on, or you know,

521
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: if you've got like heavy work boots on that's going

522
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: to leave almost these these parallel furrows that kind of

523
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: are created as you're going over soft dirt, passing through grass.

524
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. If he's shot, he will

525
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: be I'm not going to say hemorrhaging because hemorrhaging implies

526
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: that you're living. Okay, we can say that he was

527
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: leaking leaking blood the body was it's not a hemorrhagic event.

528
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: At that point in time, you're actually leaking blood and

529
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: this is being left along the way. What a curious

530
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: position to be in. After this guy has gone out

531
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: and allegedly made the statement he's going to kill somebody,

532
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: and now he's faced with the aftermath. Why did he

533
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: not just kill him and leave him be where he was.

534
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: That goes to higher level thinking. At that point, it's

535
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: gone beyond just this kind of primal reactive kind of thing.

536
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: Now you have an awareness that you're leaving evidence behind.

537
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: We know that he's using a semi automatic weapon because

538
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: what did they say, He's going back to pick up

539
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: spent casings at this point in time, so if he's

540
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: having to look for shell caseines, this is plural. We

541
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: know that there were multiple shots fired. So every time,

542
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: every time that firing pin taps on this weapon, you're

543
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: going to create these little explosions, these gunshots, You're going

544
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: to draw more and more attention to what you're doing.

545
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being this lady that he has a

546
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: conversation with, and he pointedly tells her, not only don't

547
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: want to know where he is, when to find him,

548
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill him, And maybe she retreats back

549
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 1: into her home. Maybe she's looking out.

550
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: The way threaten Joe. He threatened her. Do you not

551
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: go to the constant?

552
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: Wow, he already has a you know, he's already amped

553
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: up relative to these actions that he's involved in. Dave

554
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: you think about him actually being witnessed dragging the body

555
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: off into the woods. Well, if you've killed him in

556
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: one location and you're dragging him away to the woods,

557
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: why would you want to deposit him back in the

558
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: area where he was living? Is And we can speculate

559
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: on this all we want. We can think about, well,

560
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: is he trying to make it appear like the guy

561
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: was killed at his encampment and that he had nothing

562
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: to do with it. But like so many other things

563
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: where you have a perpetrator alleged perpetrator, their mind begins

564
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: to run and they think about, well, what do I

565
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: do at this point in time. I'm putting him out

566
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: in the woods. I've already told this woman I'm going

567
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: to kill him. I've already admonished her and told her

568
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: do not call the cops. You've got all of this

569
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: evidence laying around. But you know it's my understanding, Dave,

570
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: that his body this was not the final resting place

571
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: of mister Dorsey.

572
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: It gets worse.

573
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: Joe, one of the witnesses to this event, said he

574
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 3: saw bloody clothing in this dumpster over here, and please

575
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 3: go that one And he said, yeah, the one part

576
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: right next to McBride's car, and so police go over there,

577
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: and sure enough, there's bloody clothing in the dumpster, and

578
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 3: they look at this Nissan Versa McBride's car. I don't

579
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: know if they saw anything. I don't know what they

580
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: saw that led them to open the hatch. I don't

581
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: know yet. But when they did, we know that he

582
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: drug Clinton Dorsey back into the woods. We know that

583
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: at some point though, Glenton Dorsey ended up in the

584
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: trunk of that Versa.

585
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: And I looked this updated do you how much do

586
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: you know? Do you have any idea? And I can't

587
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: imagine under any circumstances you would. I don't even know

588
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: why I'm asking you this question, but for the saved

589
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: in the trunk, Versa is like one of the smallest

590
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: platforms that Nissan has. It's a tiny car. This thing

591
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: has only got fourteen point seven cubic feet of space

592
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: in it. Do you know what what you measure with

593
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: cubic feet? A freezer? So that's that's the size that

594
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: we're talking about, like a stand up freezer. I'm not

595
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: talking about like a freezer, because you could measure that

596
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: in cubic inches and you hear that calculation all the time.

597
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: This is not a large space. My suspicion is is

598
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: that this guy's leaking blood. Okay, you have approximated your

599
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: car to this dumpster. Perhaps maybe you drove over to

600
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: the woods with the car, placed the body in the

601
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: car itself, and then drove over to the dumpster. You

602
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with all of this blood

603
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: supersaturated clothing. You strip him down naked, are you taking

604
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: your clothes off because you have moved him and you've

605
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: got contact trace on yourself, because that can in fact happen,

606
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: and then you're going to put him in your trunk. Well,

607
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, all the cops have to do is if

608
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: they look down at the leading edge of the rear

609
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: bumper or maybe to the side of the car just

610
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: above the tail light there is or maybe on the

611
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: trunk hatch itself. People that are placing bodies into these

612
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: kinds of spaces are having to leverage literally dead weight,

613
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: so you have to move around a lot in order

614
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: to do this, and they will put their hands down

615
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: on points of leverage to try to lift the body

616
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: into the car. So there is a high potential where

617
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: the body leaking blood that you're going to find a

618
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: lot of blood deposition around the sides of this area.

619
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: And I really wonder if when the police went over

620
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: to that dumpster, they can you imagine you're finding bloody

621
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: clothes in the dumpster and you look down at the

622
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: vehicle and you've got blood deposition. What a chilling thought

623
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: there for these officers When they show up, you're thinking, Oh,

624
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: my gosh, what hides beneath the lid of this motor vehicle.

625
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: Now when you start investigating, do they call you out

626
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: then or did they move him? I mean, I know

627
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: they're going to check to make sure he's dead, which

628
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: they're going to do that with him in the trunk,

629
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to assume yeah, correct, Yeah, they would.

630
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: Call the emmy out to the scene. Obviously they have

631
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: a dead body. My preference would be under these circumstances

632
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: is that And this sounds, I know, kind of ghastly

633
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: to some people, but my preference would be is to

634
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: not take him out of the trunk period. What I

635
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: would want to do is secure that vehicle, put it

636
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: on a flatbed, cover it with a tarp, and transport

637
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: that car with the body in place, to an evidence

638
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: garage where the whole car can be processed with the

639
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: body in place, or medical term insight to you where

640
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: they're there and you can appreciate it in its normal configuration.

641
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: Because one of the things that I always returned back

642
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: to in cases like this is going to be the

643
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: post wartum interval. We talked about this a lot, and

644
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: it takes time for riger to set in and for

645
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: the deposition of blood or the settling of blood. Rather

646
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: in post warm lividity. I want to see this body

647
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: and have it photographed in a controlled environment, in its

648
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: pristine state. It's at that point time after you've processed

649
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: around the body in the trunk of the car, that

650
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Speaker 1: you can extricate the body and go ahead and process

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00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: the rest of the car, and the body would be

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Speaker 1: removed to the medical examiner's office for further exam to

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Speaker 1: try to understand. Let's see the relationship from the shooter

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Speaker 1: to the victim. We're looking at range of fire, then

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Speaker 1: we're looking at the trajectory. Was he executed or was

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00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: these two fellows standing erect facing one another and he

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00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: fired shots directly into his chest. Here's the other thing

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Speaker 1: as well, this clothing that they have found. How are

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Speaker 1: you going to handle that? It would be great if

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Speaker 1: medical examiner could actually see the clothing to try to

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Speaker 1: understand the relationship of the defects or holes in the

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Speaker 1: clothing relative to the holes in the body. If, in fact,

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Speaker 1: his clothing was stripped off of him, I think that

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Speaker 1: that's very important.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was McBride's clothing. I thought maybe he

666
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Speaker 3: just crammed the body in there. But he had bloody clothing,

667
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: and he threw his bloody clothing in the dumpster.

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Speaker 1: I would think that that would be a high probability here.

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Speaker 1: And what would be the purpose of him taking his

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Speaker 1: own clothing off and putting it in the dumpster. Well,

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Speaker 1: obviously it's going to have contact trace on it. Because

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Speaker 1: if this poor soul, this fifty one year old man

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Speaker 1: who has been living in hell, let's face it, he's

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Speaker 1: in the woods in Florida, imagine what a miserable existence

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Speaker 1: that is. At an encampment, his blood would transfer on

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Speaker 1: to the perpetrator because you're having to I can't emphasize

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Speaker 1: this enough. When you're wrangling a body, this idea of

678
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: dead weight comes in and blood will contact, it will

679
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: smear all over you. If you're wearing some type of

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Speaker 1: T shirt or whatever kind of other shirt. You can

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Speaker 1: get it on the frontal portion of your pants legs.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention, if you have sleeves and they're down,

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Speaker 1: it's going to transfer onto your sleeves. So it makes

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00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: sense that you would want to toss the clothing. But

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Speaker 1: it did interesting that all of this is taking place

686
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Speaker 1: in very close proximity to where this alleged perpetrator lived

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Speaker 1: and worked.

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Speaker 2: Dave.

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Speaker 1: It's not like he takes this guy out to some

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Speaker 1: far flung location. It's almost like he's in panic mode

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Speaker 1: at this point in time. The switch has flipped in

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Speaker 1: his brain as to, oh, my gosh, I said I

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Speaker 1: was going to do it. I didn't think I was

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Speaker 1: capable of it, but I acted out, And now this

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Speaker 1: man's dead and it's going to be on me. One

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Speaker 1: interesting little side note in this case is that, and

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely fascinated by this, is that when it was

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Speaker 1: time for Travis McBride to appear in court for his

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Speaker 1: hearing relative to the murder of Clinton Dorsey, as Clinton

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Speaker 1: Dorsey's wife is sitting there, having traveled back from Kansas,

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Speaker 1: she's waiting at this hearing disappearance hearing, Travis McBride is

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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. He refused to show up for

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Speaker 1: his hearing. We're going to keep our eye on this case.

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Speaker 1: We're going to see what the developments reveal in the

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Speaker 1: case of somebody that has trouble with anger management. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags

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Speaker 2: Mm hm