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Speaker 2: Trey McBride got plcalvec with me, Bird Gang and yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll have more words, especially about the game because while

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Speaker 2: Paul was there in Houston, I was not. But let's

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Speaker 2: not lose sight of what Trey is doing this season.

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Speaker 1: It's historic.

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Speaker 2: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode nine fifty nine and it

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Speaker 2: starts now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Buda Baker, what Heart?

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Speaker 2: What Brint?

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Speaker 1: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Right at the.

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Speaker 4: Five hit the end zone for the Cardinal touchdown, Drey McBride,

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Speaker 4: he's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 1: Here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 2: So I know there was a little concern from you, Paul,

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Speaker 4: A serious temperature drop overnight, no joke, Like, went out

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize that fifty three degrees at kickoff, seventy

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Speaker 2: College football runs Saturday in the fall, and the NFL

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Speaker 2: He had one quarterback hit officially, and the Neil Hunter

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Speaker 2: You give any quarterback time in the pocket, they're going

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Speaker 4: So it's a copycat league, right And after the Rams

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Speaker 4: But again, the these offensive lines are held bent on

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Speaker 2: Stops in that game inside the red zone. Six times

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Speaker 4: It's a great point, and that's why it was a

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Speaker 2: You dig yourself a two deficit hole in the first quarter.

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Speaker 2: And that's what Jonathan Gannon talked about postgame with you

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Speaker 4: And as critical as that was, as costly as that

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Speaker 2: Well, you talk about what happened going into the locker

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Speaker 1: And it is tough.

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Speaker 2: as you alluded to, it was a it was a

437
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Speaker 2: long it was an extended break.

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Speaker 1: I believe TV went.

439
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Speaker 2: To commercials like two or three different times, and anytime

440
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Speaker 2: and there was a there was a noticeable silence. Even

441
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 2: listening to passionate Q you could hear well not hear

442
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 2: the background noise, right, And that's when you know, okay,

443
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: Not only is it dead quiet on the field and

444
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: people trying to attend to make sure Andre is okay,

445
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: but the fans and the stands understand what is happening

446
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 2: and hopefully that Andrea is going to be okay.

447
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 4: Just the visual the fans always know when you see

448
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: doctors coming from both sidelines, when you see players empty

449
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 4: out from both sidelines, guys going out there, taking a knee,

450
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 4: saying a prayer, everyone coming out, and just the respect

451
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Speaker 4: level and just the silence, the eerie silence, the unknown.

452
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Speaker 1: How bad is it?

453
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Speaker 4: You can't from the sideline, I mean you can't see

454
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Speaker 4: because of all the big bodies around, and so it's

455
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 4: really this uneasy moment until he is being taken off

456
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 4: on the stretcher and he's able to raise his right

457
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 4: arm and give a thumbs up. And so obviously we

458
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: hope for the very best that goes on. Said, it

459
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 4: always is remarkable, though, the mental fortitude for guys to

460
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 4: get back in and then start playing a very dangerous

461
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Speaker 4: game soon thereafter. I mean, you know, the mental focus

462
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 4: it takes for these guys to then resume the game

463
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Speaker 4: of football is remarkable in a lot of ways.

464
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Speaker 2: Cardinals lose in Houston forty to twenty. Despite the loss,

465
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Speaker 2: it was a historic day for Trey McBride. Not only

466
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Speaker 2: history made NFL history, franchise history, but a career day

467
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Speaker 2: for Trey McBride. And I don't know if you noticed

468
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: this or not. As you're following along on the sideline,

469
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Speaker 2: you probably didn't see this, but SIMI fe Hoko, Cardinals

470
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: wide receiver on IR tweeted during the game and I

471
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: can't remember at one point it might have been after

472
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Speaker 2: one of the touchdowns or the second touchdown, but tweeted quote,

473
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Speaker 2: Trey is a wide receiver. I don't care and just

474
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: left it at that because the numbers, the twelve catches,

475
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Speaker 2: the one hundred and thirty four receiving yards, the two touchdowns,

476
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: he's targeted thirteen times. What Trey did on Sunday and

477
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: what he has done all season long, let's not lose

478
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: sight of what we are experiencing and seeing in real time. Paul,

479
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 2: that Trey McBride certainly took a step last season, he

480
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: has taken even a giant step this season to become

481
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Speaker 2: And I don't think it's opinion or biased the number

482
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Speaker 2: one tied end in the leg in the league, no doubt,

483
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Speaker 2: no doubt.

484
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Speaker 4: And you know what, Simmy Fehoko is right in this regard.

485
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 4: I'll definitely agree with them, like I have any grounds

486
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Speaker 4: to disagree with Simmy, But here we go has never

487
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 4: stopped me before. Guess what he does have wide receiver

488
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: caliber hands. He has the best hands on the team.

489
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Speaker 4: Do you see the low angle NFL films of the

490
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 4: second touchdown catch an absolute bullet, a laser right over

491
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Speaker 4: the middle in a tight window in traffic. He just

492
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 4: reaches out there on the run and with half an

493
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Speaker 4: eye on where he's gonna get hit, because he's about

494
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: to get hit from three different angles. He just snatches

495
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 4: that ball the moment he was drafted. As underwhelming as

496
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Speaker 4: his rookie year was, Craig, you could just tell the

497
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: ease with which he caught the football the first rookie

498
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Speaker 4: mini camp tight end drill where he's running across the

499
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: middle and his ability the ball lands so softly in

500
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 4: his hands he knock on wood. He does not have

501
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: a drop this year. So let's just start right there now.

502
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: The route running, the ability to adjust. You know, we

503
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Speaker 4: asked Michael Carter after the game, tell us something about

504
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 4: and that's what he cited, The attention he's getting from

505
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Speaker 4: all three levels of a defense. There was a shot

506
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: and I don't if they showed this, but there was

507
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: some film we were looking at after the game where there.

508
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Speaker 1: Was a play.

509
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 4: It was a third and obvious passing down where Will

510
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 4: Anderson did not rush. He lined up outside Trey McBride's

511
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: outside shoulder and as soon as they snatted the ball,

512
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 4: he chucked Trey McBride. There's big Will Anderson boom, just

513
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 4: Jackson because it was sort of like what Indianapolis did

514
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: putting the They got so frustrated they just stuck a

515
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: defensive end over him and just chucked him right off

516
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: the line. So that's the sort of thing that is

517
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 4: happening to McBride, and he's still insanely productive.

518
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Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Despite the increased attention, you're still

519
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: seeing Trey McBride with over one hundred receptions, over one

520
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 2: thousand receiving yards, ten touchdowns, which is a franchise record

521
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: for a tight end, the two NFL records most consecutive

522
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: games with at least five receptions by a tight end,

523
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 2: and the first tight end in league history to have

524
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: one hundred or more receptions in back to back seasons.

525
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: That to me stands out because you can name a

526
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Speaker 2: number of tight ends in NFL history, some great tight ends,

527
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Speaker 2: but to never have done one hundred catches and back

528
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: to back seasons, I think speaks to what we are

529
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: seeing from Trey mcbriden. Again, when you're down on Marvin

530
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior, you don't have Zay Jones, you don't have

531
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: Greg Dortch, Xavier Weaver is unavailable, and then you lose

532
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Speaker 2: Andre Bacchelli and it's just Michael Wilson and who's behind

533
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 2: door number three, four and five. Yes, Trey McBride is

534
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: going to get his targets. But even if you have

535
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: a healthy wide receiver room and a healthy run game,

536
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: Trey McBride, as we've said it, he's not just a

537
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 2: tight end, number one tight end. He's your number one

538
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: pass catcher, maybe even your number one offensive threat period.

539
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 4: And he was the number one halftime adjustment cited by

540
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 4: Damiko Ryans told Jen Hale at halftime, shout out Jen Hale,

541
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: the Fox sideline reporter. He told her, yeah, we got

542
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: to do something about eighty five. We're going to work

543
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 4: on that during halftime. Didn't work, did not have any

544
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: success in that department. That's how effective he's been. And Craig,

545
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 4: once again, you know what he wasn't in every single

546
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: offensive snap, which I thought was interesting and I think

547
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: you did the math. There's in ninety sety two. Okay,

548
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: So now how many games as he played one hundred

549
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 4: percent of the offensive snaps I'd love to know that

550
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: because I think I think they took a little bit

551
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: a fraction of his workload off his plate in this game.

552
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: Try and keep him fresh because you're running routes, you're

553
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 4: running outs to the second and third level. You're involved

554
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 4: in the blocking game, right, I mean, you're up against

555
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: two hundred and seventy pound dudes at the point of attack.

556
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 4: And I've told you this before. There are a number

557
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: of times during the game we'll come to the sideline,

558
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 4: he'll take a knee and.

559
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: A trainers will run over.

560
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: You good?

561
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: You good? What's going on? Just give me a moment.

562
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: He's just got to physically regroup. I mean, he's in

563
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 4: phenomenal shape. But the exertion that is required on him

564
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 4: for the position he's playing and what he's doing on

565
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: a down by down basis, it is there was a

566
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Speaker 4: there was a moment in the second half where he

567
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: came over and he took a knee. Had he needed

568
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: a quick blow and so, and it's understandable. I mean,

569
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 4: he is leaving it all out on that field.

570
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: We heard Michael Wilson a couple of weeks back talk

571
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: about that physical and mental hurdle that he has had

572
00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: to overcome being wide receiver one because it's the attention

573
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: that you know you're going to get as WR one,

574
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: and how physical of a toll and how mentally exhausting

575
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: it can be. That's Trey McBride each and every week,

576
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: because it's not just running the routes. It's what you said,

577
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: it's part of the run game getting chipped because he's

578
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: so successful to the point where, Okay, he's not tapping

579
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: out because he doesn't want to do it anymore. He's

580
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: tapping out because he needs to catch his breath. And

581
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: it's why there is maybe not one hundred percent of

582
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: the offensive snaps but ninety two, ninety five, ninety seven percent.

583
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: If you can give him a playoff here or there,

584
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, he is going to be

585
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: fresh in the third and fourth quarter when you need him.

586
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: The most problem this season, though, is you just haven't

587
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: had enough Trey McBride moments in which the Cardinals have

588
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: won a ballgame.

589
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: Well, and look what the Rams did in the game before.

590
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: Right, he had the two chunk plays, Cardinals go down,

591
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: they get that touchdown to make it seven to nothing.

592
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: Five plays, sixty seven yards. Two of those big explosives

593
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: to Trey McBride, and then, as he told us at

594
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 4: his locker last week, they.

595
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: Made an adjustment.

596
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: Rams made a big adjustment and a big commitment to

597
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 4: making sure he wouldn't have another explosive the rest of

598
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: the game. So, if you're smart and you know the Cardinals,

599
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: like the Rams and the other division opponents do they

600
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: put everything all their resources into stopping eighty five. And

601
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: you know what, it's not often. It's not often. I

602
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: mean even in that game he had his five catches

603
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: to continue history. But when you look at him, Craig

604
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: on the sideline and on the one arm, he's got

605
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: the tats. On the other arm, he almost has tats

606
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: because he's got bruises on it.

607
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just got these big, dark bruises on

608
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: his arm.

609
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: I mean he is a football player in every sense

610
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: of the term.

611
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: He did something on Sunday that no one has done

612
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: this season, and that is twelve or more receptions, one

613
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty or more receiving yards, and two or

614
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: more receiving touchdowns in a single game. And he has

615
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: joined Travis Kelcey and Dallas Clark as the only tight

616
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: ends with one hundred or more receptions, a thousand or

617
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: more receiving yards, and ten or more receiving touchdowns in

618
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: the same season. So again, what we are watching in

619
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: real time, and going back to those who have followed

620
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: Trey McBride when he was selected and drafted, when you

621
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: have Zach Ertz like.

622
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Speaker 1: What do you need Trey McBride for? What are you doing?

623
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: And you're like, okay, well that's why you have Trey

624
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: McBride because he has developed into your starting tight end

625
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: and the number one tight in the league to where

626
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: if he's not an All Pro this season, not a

627
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: Pro Bowler, an All Pro, something's wrong.

628
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, if he's not first team All Pro in fact,

629
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Speaker 4: if he doesn't get a significant amount of votes and

630
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: attention for Offensive Player of the Year at this rate,

631
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 4: something's wrong. I totally agree with you. You know what

632
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: else is interesting, and AQ Shipley pointed this out two

633
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: weeks ago and going into the Rams game, what is

634
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: the adjustment what is the evolution of Sean mcvay's offenses

635
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: year thirteen personnel. It's amazing how Sean McVay is going

636
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: with a lot more tight ends than he used to.

637
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: And so Sean McVay is the leading source of offensive

638
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 4: innovation in the game of football, and the more and

639
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 4: more people I talk to he is regarded in that way.

640
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: Him and Kyle Shanahan, it is amazing how successful they

641
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: have been with tight ends. Kolbe Parkinson had a couple

642
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: of big touchdown catches and that win against the Lions

643
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: because they were down Devonte Adams. So I just think

644
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: it's an aspect of football, offensive football that is continuing

645
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 4: to grow in popularity and effectiveness.

646
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: Who do you cover a tight end as skillful and

647
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: as athletic as a Trey McBride. Is it a linebacker

648
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: while you might be not as physical. Is it someone

649
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: on the defensive line as an outside linebacker, an inside linebacker?

650
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: Is it a safety while you're just not as You're

651
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: not as tall, you're not as strong. And again it's

652
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: a mismatch. And you always hear the tight end is

653
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: the quarterback's best friend. Well that was I think back

654
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: in the day lora was a checkdown. It's no longer

655
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: a checkdown to the tight end. It's become the number

656
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: one option for a lot of quarterbacks.

657
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: So now advance to Sunday, Atlanta's coming to town minus

658
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 4: Drake London. Yet they got to win against Tampa, right

659
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: upset win against Tampa that everything on the line. And

660
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: who was the leading playmaker Kyle Pitts. He had eleven

661
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: for a Bucks sixty six along a thirty six in

662
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 4: three touchdowns. So Kyle Pitts is coming to town. And

663
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: you know this works right when there's a premier player

664
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Speaker 4: at your position. So this is gonna be the matchup

665
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: within the matchup. Right, you need the picture and picture,

666
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 4: old school style Kyle Pits, the tight end picture and

667
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: picture is what you need. So when Atlanta's on offense,

668
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: it is Kyle Pits. When the Cardinals on our offense,

669
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 4: it's Trey McBride. That's gonna be the game within the game.

670
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: For those coming to the home finale on Sunday, that

671
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: is a two h five kickoff. But fans want to

672
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: know if you do want some Cardinals merchandise, maybe a

673
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: Trey McBride jersey. Fifty percent off in the team shop

674
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: on nearly all items, and that includes fifty percent off hats,

675
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: fifty percent off jerseys, fifty percent off rivalry merchandise. So

676
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: again home finale Cardinal and Falcons, And is this the

677
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: week that the Arizona Cardinals get off that losing streak

678
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: and come away with a win to send the Bird

679
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: Gang home happy after the final home game of twenty

680
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Speaker 2: twenty five.

681
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: That is a double ding.

682
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 4: That fifty percent savings, no doubt, especially on a Trey McBride,

683
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: Michael Wilson, Marvin Harrison, Junior, Jersey, Josh Sweat love it.

684
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: As for thirty seven year old Kirk Cousins, not quite

685
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: buying that. But man, did he have an efficient, effective

686
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 4: game against Tampa.

687
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: And against Todd Bowles.

688
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: Yes, yes he did, not just any defense, a Todd

689
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: Bowles defense.

690
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 4: And you know, in watching that game, and I didn't

691
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 4: see all of it, but there were minus Drake London,

692
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: there were certain, um, I'm guessing screw ups by the receivers,

693
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: and man did they hear about it. Kirk Cousins is

694
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 4: old school. He will call you out in front of

695
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 4: the cameras on the field, on the sideline. He's got

696
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: a little bit of Kirk Warner in him. He doesn't hesitate.

697
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 4: He'll come to the sideline. You mess that up. Here's

698
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: the red route. You should have gone that way and

699
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: you went this way. And so we failed on third down,

700
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 4: and so it is interesting to see how demanding he

701
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: is and how much better Atlanta's passing game has been

702
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 4: when the quarterback, thirty seven year old dude who's been

703
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: there and done that, is holding guys accountable, not totally

704
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: him like what Jacoby Brissett has done, you know, I

705
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: mean he's buttoned up and if you aren't, you'll hear

706
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 4: about it.

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00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: Cardinals passing game has certainly been elevated with Jacoby as

708
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback. Again, it's the not the number of yards,

709
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: it's the number of points or lack thereof. And that's

710
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: why this Cardinals team is in the midst of a

711
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: six game losing streak. Can they stop that this Sunday

712
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Speaker 2: against the Atlanta Falcons Before we head on out of

713
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Speaker 2: here on this Monday, Paul, we do need one more

714
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 2: thing from you, and that is the Angry Bird Award.

715
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm guessing there could be a couple different nominees, but

716
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: maybe just one that will be handed unless you saw

717
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: something different, because that's where again I always say you're there,

718
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: I'm not. You've got a better perspective than a lot

719
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Speaker 2: of people. You know.

720
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Speaker 4: Look Michael Carter at nice game. I thought he acquitted

721
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: himself well, yelled a fro hole against that front. I mean,

722
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 4: he's always a huge factor I has. The only reason

723
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Speaker 4: I hesitate is because for the second week in a row,

724
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: it's kind of captain obvious. It was Michael Wilson. How

725
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: can you not give it to Trey McBride. A trio

726
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: of records, right, two NFL records, one team record, just

727
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 4: everything he did, everything he left out there. And so yes,

728
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: Trey McBride will get the Angry Bird Award. We ended

729
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: up not giving the actual physical award to Michael Wilson's

730
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Speaker 4: newborn daughter.

731
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Speaker 1: We didn't.

732
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 4: It did not happen. Actually, so she's she has quite

733
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: enough already. So yeah, it's been such a pleasure in

734
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 4: so many ways. Trey McBride is getting us through this,

735
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: Trey McBride and Michael Wilson at this point, and he

736
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: gives you so much hope for the future. I mean,

737
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 4: hit zoom out a little bit. Marvin Arrison Junior when

738
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Speaker 4: he's healthy again, I don't know what that's gonna be

739
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 4: considering how he looked, you know, for the two and

740
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Speaker 4: a half quarters when he did come back after a

741
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Speaker 4: penn sitis, he was much more decisive.

742
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: Drew Toureau was.

743
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: Talking about that. He had that look in his eye, like,

744
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm done messing around, Let's go and

745
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: and so I'm really curious going forward, when Marvin Arison

746
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: Junior is healthy, what can you do with an offense?

747
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: You know, under Drew Petsing, it's been a run first identity.

748
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 4: That has to change. When you have Trey McBride, Michael Wilson,

749
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Speaker 4: who looks every bit as wide receiver one, Marvin Harrison Junior,

750
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Speaker 4: who has all the talent in the world, number four

751
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 4: pick overall, Obviously you're going to construct an offense around him.

752
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 4: So how do you do that? What does that look like?

753
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 4: And how effective can that be? I'm guessing, you know,

754
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: isn't exactly a hot take. You were going to officially

755
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: go from a run first offense the first two years

756
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: and the John and the Gannon era to a pass

757
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 4: first offense with these three guys.

758
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Speaker 2: I heard the conversation that you had with Passion AQ

759
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: about this on the pregame huddle, and then Passion AQ

760
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: talked about it postgame because of what Trey did Sunday afternoon.

761
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Speaker 2: And you've got to be able to figure out a way,

762
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Speaker 2: whether it's this week or the last three games at

763
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Speaker 2: some point. But you have a one A and a

764
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Speaker 2: one B at wide receiver. That's how AQ described Marvin

765
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: and Michael and I wouldn't disagree. And then you have

766
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Speaker 2: Trey McBride. Okay, so you got three bona five pass catchers.

767
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Speaker 2: Now you can't get everyone ten targets every single game.

768
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: You don't want to pass forty plus times each and

769
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: every week, which the Cardinals now have done six straight weeks.

770
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 2: They've lost all six games. Again, you need more balance,

771
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: but there has to be away. If you're JG. Drewpetsing

772
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: and whomever else is on that offensive side of the ball,

773
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: figure out a way to make sure. Okay, you can't

774
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: take all three of us away. If you're gonna limit

775
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: it one, that's fine. Then we'll go to the next one.

776
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: Then we'll go to the next one. Then we'll come

777
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: back around because you can't stop all three of those

778
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: guys in the passing game.

779
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Speaker 4: It's funny that Pat mcaveee show is showing an AQ

780
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: Shipley tweet right now about the show, so it's sort

781
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: of his humble brag that he won the Remington Trophy

782
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 4: and ends up on the McAfee show over there. We

783
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: were talking to AQ about this whole three headed monster thing,

784
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: and the modern day current example of that would be

785
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, right Ceedee Lamb, George Pickens, and then Jake Ferguson,

786
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: who's not Trey McBride, but he's an effective tight end.

787
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Speaker 4: The difference is Trey McBride is essentially wide receiver one

788
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 4: or maybe T one for target one whatever you want

789
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 4: a tournament. The only other comp I can think of,

790
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 4: and Craig, you'll relate to this a little bit, was

791
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: once upon a time when Joe Montana had Jerry Rice

792
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: John Taylor who was a Pro Bowl receiver and Brent Jones,

793
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: who was a Pro Bowl tight end. So you know

794
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: that was something where and then obviously the Bill Walls

795
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: short passing game, and they most definitely were a pass

796
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: first offense, even though they had Roger Craig and Tom Rathman,

797
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 4: and you know, I mean think of some of all

798
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: the luminaries they had. But you know, if James Connor

799
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: comes back and he's healthy and he's James Connor again,

800
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: these three guys, you know, that's how I sort of

801
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: envision things in this offense.

802
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 2: Looking certainly something to consider moving forward. And again that's uh. Again,

803
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: I'll say it and I'll keep saying it. But Trey

804
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: McBride has become a special player and someone that you

805
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: want to see in real time be at Stave Farm

806
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: Stadium see him in action, and then went on the

807
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: road because you are trying to see you're seeing teams

808
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: try to figure out a way to stop them, and

809
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: maybe they're successful for a half, but then there's an

810
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: adjustment trades like no, or maybe hey, last week, okay,

811
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Speaker 2: the Rams they did, they did pretty well defend Trey McBride.

812
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: That's okay, but then Michael Wilson went off. So again,

813
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: you can't stop everyone. So that would be the task

814
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: at hand for this Cardinals team moving forward offensively, how

815
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: do you scheme up an offense to where you're utilizing

816
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: your best playmakers not doing something well, I want to

817
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: run the ball. No, who's best on your team to

818
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 2: move the football up and down and to get into

819
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: the end zone. More importantly, it's Marvin, Michael and Trey. Yeah,

820
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: how do you stress the defense?

821
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: Right? Those three guys, no doubt about it.

822
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 4: So you know, as we're getting towards the holidays, and

823
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: maybe people's work ethic is waning a little bit in

824
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 4: the office and you're looking to go ahead and find

825
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: something online, go to the Cardinal go to Azcardinals dot

826
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Speaker 4: com or the Cardinals YouTube page. Three games ago, Trey

827
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 4: McBride was miked up and it was Jacksonville and at

828
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 4: the end of the game, just you gotta watch the

829
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: whole thing, and then the payoff at the end of

830
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: the game. I don't know, is it spoiler alert if

831
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: I tell, but the assistant coach, assistant defensive coach walks

832
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: up for Jacksonville, grabs Trey and goes, you are one

833
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: gigantic pain in the keyster and he used a different

834
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 4: word at the Easter and so but that's the ultimate

835
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 4: sign of respect when an opposing coach comes up and

836
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 4: he's legitimately exasperated and thankful they won the game, because yeah,

837
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: they never stopped Trey McBride the entirety of the game.

838
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: Thankful for Trey McBride. N Fortunately, on Sunday came and

839
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Speaker 2: a loss Cardinals, though we'll put the Houston game behind

840
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: them over the next couple of days and focus on

841
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons coming to town on Sunday. Good stuff,

842
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: Paul Hope. Uh, well, you don't have to worry about

843
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: the weather coming up on Sunday. We will have a

844
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: discussion after this weekend about the impending trip to Cincinnati,

845
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: but we don't want to look too far ahead, because,

846
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: as Jonathan Gana likes to say, we'll stay in the press.

847
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 4: Please tell me two weeks is enough for that cold

848
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: front to go away. In Cincinnati the high was nine

849
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: and the windshill was negative six. I saw that an

850
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: NFL network and I started shivering, just even in Houston.

851
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: My goodness.

852
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: So please, football gods, weather gods, whomever I need to address,

853
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 4: let let let two weeks be enough for that cold

854
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: front to go away.

855
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Speaker 2: Maybe mother Nature is listening here on this edition of

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two. And on that note, we will put

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Speaker 2: a lid on. This edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented

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Speaker 2: special thanks to our executive producer jim Mo Mohundro, our

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Speaker 2: associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Paul Calvc, I'm Craig Rayolu.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two,