WEBVTT - #278 Packers Unscripted: Back from the combine 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:20.640 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.800 I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.200 west Hodku. It's we are back from the NFL scouting 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.040 combine and back in our studios here at lambeau Field West. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.680 It was a long week, but a fun week in Indie. 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:34.960 It sure was, Mike. Unfortunately for you and me. We 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.520 beat the storm back up to Green Day we did 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.959 driving up to to get back in our studio. It's 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:43.800 good to be home. Yeah, it is good to be home. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.680 But I know Packers fans between now and the draft, 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.440 and not that they haven't been talking about it since 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.519 the end of the season. There's two positions in this draft. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.680 The Packers fans are focused on. It's pass rushers and cornerbacks. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.320 They want to know who's out there. Who do the 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.680 Packers have their eye on? Who might be there at 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.920 number fourteen? If the Packers are going to use that 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.959 opportunity to improve on defense, Let's start with the pass 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.200 rushers and a couple of guys I know that have 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.960 been attached to the Packers in various mock drafts and 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:12.880 things like that. And those mock drafts are going to 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.640 change here and there now now that the combine is finished. 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.360 As we lead up to the draft, but Marcus Davenport 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.160 from Texas San Antonio and Harold Landry from Boston College 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:27.080 a couple of guys projected as first rounders, maybe not 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.279 necessarily top ten picks, but at the same time, Marcus 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:33.160 Davenport when he ran a sub four six forty then 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.120 at the combine, so you start to wonder, now if 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.120 this guy from Texas San Antonio, who is kind of 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.920 the consensus mock draft selection for the Packers at number fourteen, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:45.240 you wonder if he's even gonna last that long? You do? 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.440 I mean, when you when you run a sub four 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.840 six is a pass rusher, it's gonna get you noticed. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.600 If I remember correctly, I think it was Clay was 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.320 four six seven, but it was also his initial splits 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.720 were phenomenal, which is eventually what got it to be 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.240 a first round pick. The broad jump is exactly where 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.720 you wanted to be for Davenport. Certainly, the size has 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.680 all the intangibles you look for as an elephant type end. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.480 The thing that's and I wrote about this an insider inbox. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:10.880 When we got back to Green Bay. The thing that 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.920 intrigues me the most is and I'm not I'm no 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.400 Mike Mayock. I'm not saying that I am. But I 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.760 did find it interesting him talking about really what he 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.040 sees a sort of a lack of depth in this 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:23.120 draft class when it comes to edge rusher. That might 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.440 be the case, but there are a lot of intriguing 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.639 options for the Packers, whether it's Davenport, whether it is Landry. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.640 If you go maybe a little bit farther back in 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.000 the first round into the second round, I think there's 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.320 some interesting guys there. Could Art and Key move up. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.000 He certainly has the frame that you look for, maybe 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.040 to put on some weight. Sam Hubbard isn't in that conversation. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.679 Art and Key from l s U, Sam Hubbard from 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.880 Ohio sty Ohio State. Just some guys that have phenomenal length. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.280 And I just remember a year ago, or actually known 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.040 two years ago, when we were talking about the Packers 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.320 drafting Kyler Facral six five. It was just amazing. Well, 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.600 this particular draft, including Davenport, there's a lot of guys 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.679 in that four to six six range, and I think 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.720 if you're an edge rushing coach, really are going to 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.560 make you want to take a long, hard look at 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.400 these guys. Yeah, I think that's the one thing that 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.480 stands out to me about this pass rush draft class 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.000 is is the size and the length of these guys. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.359 They're all six five six six, it seems like, and yeah, 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.440 there may not be a whole lot of depth to 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.600 where you might not be able to find a Vince 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.000 Biegel at the top of the fourth round in this draft. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.239 If you're gonna get one of these pass rushers, you 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.560 you might have to you might have to grab him early. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.600 But you look at Davenport, really the question people have 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.760 about him that the knock against him, so to speak, 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.680 is the Texas San Antonio the level of competition that 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:39.520 he played in college. Now he went down to the 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.760 Senior Bowl and went up against all the top prospects 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.480 from all the major conferences there and held his own. 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.920 It hasn't heard his draft stock. He's still being projected 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.600 as a first rounder. So he's answered some of those questions. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.280 You look at a guy like Landry from Boston College 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.320 two thousand sixteen. This guy had sixteen and a half 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.720 sacks west and then he was headed for probably another 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.400 double bull digit sacks season he believes he definitely would 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.200 have had double digits, but a knee injury middle of 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:06.880 the season. He tried to play through it for a 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:08.800 couple of games, couldn't get a whole lot done, just 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.560 made it worse and they and they had to shut 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.040 him down. Um no, I'm sorry. Maybe it was an 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.159 ankle injury. I believe it was. Yeah, yeah, lower body, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.520 but yes, uh so he uh but but this is 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.240 a guy with with a ton of confidence. He's a 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.120 you know, he's what they call a dip and rip 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.840 type of pass rusher. He's got speed off the edge. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.599 He likes to go low around the corner and get 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.760 around those offensive tackles. I think the question with him 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.240 is can you do more than that? Is he? Or 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.000 is he's you know, the one trick pony so to speak, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.640 which you know, a guy like Kabir Baja Biamila, he 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.719 made a heck of a career out of being basically 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.680 a speed rusher off the edge, and he got a 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.040 lot of sacks. But in this day and age in 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.599 the NFL, scouts are gonna be you know, and Bla 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.400 was a fifth round draft pick. We're not talking about 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.360 a first round pick here, So you wonder. You wonder 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.760 with Landry, he says. You know, as he gets still 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.080 gets bigger and stronger, he feels he can develop more 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.760 strength moves with his pass rush. Right now, he's just 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.640 a speed guy, and it's about the scouts projecting maybe 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.279 what they see a bigger repertoire that he might be 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.080 able to develop down the road. Yeah. And one of 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.720 the things, mich where I mentioned some of these guys 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.520 with a little bit more length, including Davenport, is probably 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.359 the post child for this sometimes can play with that 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.080 elevated pad level have a hard time dipping and ripping, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.680 to use that phrase. Lander is probably on the other 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.760 side of that, a little bit more traditional. At six 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.680 ft three around two and fifty pounds, I think that 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.520 puts him more in that, you know, Nick Perry, Clay 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.240 Matthews traditional kind of size for that position. But as 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.279 Larry mccarren pointed out on one of the shows we 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.520 did over the weekend, the question is how how that's 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.000 going to translate against the David baktrs, against these top 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.039 tackles in the league. Because I always go back to this, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.400 and I don't try to make you know, Darrell Worthy, 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.719 you know, a step child for this kind of thing. 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.800 But you know, he had that initial burst. He was 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.160 able to read the snap, the snaps and the cadences 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.599 in the NFL or in college at Michigan State, and 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.680 it just didn't translate to the pros Landry that type 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.440 of rushing style. How is that going to be? Uh? 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:08.960 In terms of how is he going to adapt that 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.440 to the next level. A lot of ability and I 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.800 think again, another guy that tested through the roof throughout 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.119 this combine is going to be something that that teams 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.039 are really gonna have to think about and ponder. Yeah, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.720 when you mentioned Larry McCarron in those shows he did 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.360 with us before we go to break here, I want 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.680 to be able to say thanks to Larry for those 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.000 those shows in India. I hope the fans enjoyed it. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.039 We certainly enjoy his u his storytelling him whatnot. It 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:31.280 was great to have him on the set for a 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.120 few days. There's only one Larry McCarron. It's it honestly, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.080 it's like having you know, a Hall of Famer walked 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.760 back into the studio for you, uh and come up. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.520 It was. It was a great, great time with him 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.640 last week that was great. Well, we've got more from 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.120 our trip to the combine. Back with that on Packers 0:06:46.160 --> 0:07:06.920 Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.479 Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodko, it's in that one 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.520 and west. Moving on to the cornerbacks, which is the 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.320 other big position on defense that Packers fans have their 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.160 eye on, wondering who might be there at number fourteen, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.880 who to the Packers maybe have some interest in. Two 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.080 guys that I wrote about on our website after they 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:28.040 met with the media as the scouting combine was the 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.560 media portion of the scouting combine was wrapping up over 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.240 the weekend. Two guys from the Big Ten I was 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.480 Josh Jackson and Ohio State's Denzel Ward, both of them 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.440 pretty consensus first round picks. But the interesting thing about 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.880 it is these are two guys very different types of cornerbacks. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.080 Josh Jackson kind of a zone corner ball hawk type 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.480 of guy. Eight interceptions this past season, five of them 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.880 against the two teams that played for the Big Ten 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.679 championship in Ohio State in Wisconsin. Those were two huge 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:02.200 games that he had, but questions about his overall experience 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.640 because he was only a starter at Iowa for one year, 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.240 and then also questions about his speed because he's not 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.240 a man to man cornerback. He he was mostly a 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.960 zone corner. Then you have a ward from Ohio State, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.880 no questions about his speed at all. He's uh, he's 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.760 a burner, there's no doubt about that. But he's a 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.880 little on the smaller side. Five ten. You know, he says, hey, 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.200 I think I'm five eleven. Um, take that for what 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.840 it's worth. Um. But but but a fast guy, all 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.640 kinds of man to man cover skills. But then only 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.000 two interceptions on the stat sheet for somebody who uh um, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.440 for somebody who is is as talented as he is. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.840 And and I asked him, you know, well, what is 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:43.800 the what is the thing that the coaches and the 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.839 scouts in the NFL like want you to work on? 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.600 And he says, you know, finding the ball, tracking the ball, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.760 that kind of thing, which, of course that's what's going 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.800 to lead to more interceptions when you're in those man 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.800 to man situations. So two guys with a lot of 0:08:55.840 --> 0:09:01.360 talent and a ton of upside, but not perfect prospects either. So, um, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.120 just your thoughts maybe on how this is going to 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.280 shake out, is maybe who is who's the top guy 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.480 who's gonna go first. Yeah, I can't sit here and 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:09.480 say that these guys shouldn't have come out for the 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.280 draft there one and two really probably with with Izzy 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.600 Oliver out of Colorado in terms of the prospects at 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.439 this position. But the questions that both I don't want 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.720 to say they raised red flags for me, but it 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.640 does from a Packers perspective make me slightly apprehensive. And 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.840 the reason I say that is Packers are a man 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.480 press man defense and now we'll have to see what 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.640 kind of adjustments they make ultimately underneath Mike Petton. But 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.640 Joe Witt is still here. He's a press man coach. 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.720 So a guy like Josh Jackson has the size six, 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.040 that's the type of guy that you want up on 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.240 the line, but he hasn't done it a lot. And 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.840 then you look from words perspective to add more context 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.120 to what you were saying, the old run wolf way 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:56.080 of doing businesses the guys underneath five eleven. He really 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.079 don't want to shift from that. Yeah, you're taking a 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.360 risk there, and the Packers the one him that they 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.320 win against that with a mod Carroll. You know how 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.200 the rest of the story wins. So uh, both of 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.320 these guys I think are incomplete in that way. And 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.080 that's why I think maybe if we were talking about 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.680 the end of the first round, that's where I potentially 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.640 be a little bit more comfortable. But I'm curious to 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.640 see they have pro days coming up. There's a lot 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.559 of different things that are going to happen. But as 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.080 far as number fourteen, I'm it just doesn't seem to 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.760 me like this year there's a Jalen Ramsey type guy 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.720 that is just okay, that's the guy. Top ten talent. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.559 There we are. It seems to me that cornerback position, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.720 there's depth there. But I just don't think there's a 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.520 guy right now, at least on my perspective. Whatever that 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.080 means that that just jumps off the page is a 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.280 is a must for a top fifteen. Yeah, and you 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.680 mentioned Oliver from Colorado. He's another one of these guys 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.439 being talked about in the mix. I personally don't know 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.679 a lot about him. Can you kind of fill us 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.280 in or what do you know about another guy that's 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.280 big and lengthy. I mean that's six one and obviously 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.800 two one or ninety pounds. I mean, the other thing 0:10:57.800 --> 0:10:59.720 that stands out to you about his game, he offers 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:02.480 you some punt return versatility. Uh, there's other things he 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.320 can do from day one to come out and help 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.600 a football team. The thing is, though, again it's another 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.439 guy that think had like one or two in two 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:13.440 interceptions during his his last season, another junior entry. So 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.840 there's so much projection that goes into this. You go 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.240 back to the last time the Packers have invested into 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.319 this position. Last year, Kevin King gave you a lot 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.840 of production, but again coming from that system of cornerbacks, 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.520 didn't really have a lot in one specific area. He 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.400 played boundary. He started as a safety, he worked you know, 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.880 the slot at times, and then the year before that, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:36.760 I mean it was just a total kind of crap 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.199 shoot with de Marius Randall coming from playing basically a 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.920 box safety and then Quentin Rollins had just transition to 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.120 the position. So a lot of times I think that 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.200 puts it puts some pressure on your scouts. It puts 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:50.360 pressure on Joe Wit guys to understand, okay, what we 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.200 want to do in this system and find people that 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.120 compliment that. The one thing that I think going back 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.800 to Jackson, you can't you can't argue with eight interceptions 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.240 in the Big ten and there were some big interceptions 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:02.760 in some big games, and I know that was something 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.480 that you kind of talked to him about, you know 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.160 what he was able to accomplish and really only fourteen 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.640 starts as a Division one, you know, starting quarterback. Yeah, 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.720 he he basically played nickel corner for Iowa his first 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.920 two seasons. Was was beaten out his second year by 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.840 another player for the starting boundary corner job. So then 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.520 he was the nickel guy coming off the bench. And 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.079 then in his one year as a starter three interceptions 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.520 against Ohio State to pick six is against Wisconsin at 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.600 Camp Randall ended up with eight interceptions overall, which led 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.520 the country twenty six passes defense. I believe was that 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.120 was the final statistic there for him. Just a stat 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.040 that clearly jumps off the page. Another thing about Ward 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.440 two from Ohio State that I'll mention. Assuming war does 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.920 get drafted in the first round, he will be the 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.439 fifth defensive back and fourth cornerback out of Ohio State 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.800 to go in the first round in a span of 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.320 three drafts. Because two years ago, Eli Apple a cornerback 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:00.520 was the first round pick, and then last year three 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.480 Ohio State dbs all taken in the first round, Marshawn 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.040 Lattimore who ended up being the NFL's Defensive Rookie of 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.400 the Year with New Orleans, and then also the safety 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.280 Malik Hooker and the other cornerback Gary and Connley. So 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.280 there's a pedigree here with in this these recent years 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.280 with Ohio State and defensive backs and Denzil Awards. As Yeah, 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:19.760 I want to I want to be the next guy. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.599 I want to carry on that tradition. Yeah, not to 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.480 rip on ward. Two things I want to add, as 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.160 far as to his credit four point three tot you 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.600 can't coach that. That's just speed. That's the speed. The 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.520 speed is not a question with him, whereas it is 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.880 with Jackson. Yes, and then also did the run Wolf 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.280 way of thinking to be fair Ron Wolf retired in 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.200 two thousand one. Is a gm a lot of boundary 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.679 corner action. There wasn't a lot of slot play. There's 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.160 ways now in a defense to really utilize those guys, 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.040 even if they aren't six ft tall. Yeah, it'll be 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.839 interesting to see how it plays out. But for now, 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.680 we're going to toss it to a breakback with more 0:13:48.679 --> 0:14:10.760 on Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.000 Mike Spofford right here West, hodko w It's all the 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.960 way over there at West. One of the things that's 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.240 always fun to do at the combine is you search 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.120 through the list of prospects trying to find, you know, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.920 these different guys that maybe have some connection to Green Bay, 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.280 some connection to the Packers somewhere in their history, and 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:28.680 here they are trying to make their way in the 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.160 NFL draft. Well, there's one that you talked to and 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.520 you wrote about him on our website who grew up 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.080 basically a ten minute walk from lambeau Field. And here 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.440 he is at the at at the scouting comment and 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.920 who he was, I should say, trying to make his 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:46.400 impression and state his case to be a to be 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.120 a high draft pick. Tell us about him. Tennessee defensive 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.680 tackle Khalil Mackenzie, the son of Reginald Mackenzie, the Packers 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.480 former personnel executive and current Raiders GM. I actually had 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.200 a chance to cover Khalil when he was still at 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.480 Green Bay South his two seasons there. I I live 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.800 streamed some of his football games for the Trojans, and 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.840 I'll never forget his freshman year. The first time, you know, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.320 you go to the game. You remember those used to 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.720 cover preps. You get the roster sheet, right, and it 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.960 said Khalil Mackenzie. I think he was number ninety nine. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.680 Maybe I'm wrong on that, but six ft two forty 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:28.840 pounds f R freshman pounds Mike, I'm five eight on 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.160 a good day and seventy pounds and I'm thirty years old. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 I mean, it just shows you just what kind of 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.920 both him and his brother Jalen, who's now attack on 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.600 offensive tackle at usc UH. These guys had it in 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.000 their blood. And what happened is after his sophomore year, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.080 him and his family decided to follow his dad out 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.240 to California. So he only had his first fifteen years 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.720 in Green Bay. But I asked him about that, what 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.000 that time meant to him? Green Bay Southwest they won 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.360 their first conference title in thirty seven years while he 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.240 was there. They had two deep runs in the w 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.920 i A State playoffs, came up a little short of stay, 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.000 but just some phenomenal memories he had. Goes on to Tennessee, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.480 played three seasons there was injured during one of them. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.040 In this past year really, I think started to come 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.280 into his own. I think he's surprised some people when 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.040 he declared for the NFL Draft instead of going back 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.080 for his senior season. But to him talking with his dad, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.440 this is a decision he felt was right for his 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.160 future and now going to try his luck at the NFL. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.960 But he certainly has Packers in his pedigree for sure. Yeah. Well, 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.520 and it's it's interesting because you know, and not to 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.160 not to knock anybody, but there are certain things that 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.200 you're blessed with that are God given. Reggie mackenzie not 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.760 a small man. Reggie's twin brother, Raleigh not a small man. 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:43.800 And uh Khalil Mackenzie now Reggie's son and Raleigh's nephew, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.520 the two of the two elder ones obviously being you know, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:52.440 NFL veterans. Um Khalil not a small young man. No, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:54.400 he hasn't and he goes in about six three I 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.240 think he waited in at three and twenty pounds. And 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:57.840 I was he was at one of the pody or 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:59.160 the one of the tables off to the side of 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.120 the podage. He was talking in with the media and 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.320 and I just the size of his calves and his 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.680 lower body, what he has to work with. The bloodlines 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:07.960 are there. This is the guy who was a five 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.560 star recruit coming out of high school. And even though 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.399 you know, I know there was some setbacks for him 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.920 at Tennessee. He said he wishes he would have won more. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.360 But like I said, the potential has always been there. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.399 So the neat thing for him right now is he 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.000 spent his You know, he spent a ton of time 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.600 as a kid inside the Packers buildings, going through game programs, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.679 going through stat sheets, scouting players with his dad. You know, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.119 he recalled in two thousand and eleven being on the 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.520 podium just off to the side when Aaron Rodgers is 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:37.320 lifting the Lombardi Trophy with the belt on his shoulder. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.800 Just the memories that this guy has had and his 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.879 short time span only twenty one years old. Uh, and 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.200 now trying to make his own NFL dreams come true. 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.320 It's gonna be a great story to watch. And he 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.359 wouldn't bite on whether or not he had a formal 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.760 interview with the Raiders or not. I don't know how 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.960 exactly that works in their household, but uh, certainly very 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.280 excited now about this next step. First, we almost wonder, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.960 like how much would the Raiders really have to find 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.440 doubt about him, because Reggie pretty much, you would think, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.920 would know everything there is to know. That being said, 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.760 it is interesting though that he decided to declare earlier 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.160 you play three years in the SEC. I mean, you've 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.200 definitely got something going there. But he's not being talked 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:17.160 about it as as a high draft picks. Yeah, he's 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:18.960 trying to trying to jump in there early, but I 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.199 guess we'll see what happens with that. We'll go to 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.800 a break back with more on Packers Unscripted right after this. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.399 Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford alongside West, Hidekowits 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:48.439 and West. Quickly before we go, since this is our 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.399 first show back in the studio after our trip to 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.399 the Combine, just wanted to get your thoughts. What was 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.760 the single thing that made the biggest impression on you 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.440 during the weekend? And well, I mean certainly it's Shack Griffin. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.320 Everything else is one B, one C, one D. And 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:07.119 we'll get to talking about Griffin a little bit more 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.520 on shows later this week. But Michael Joseph is a 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.080 name I think people need to pay attention to. Uh. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.480 This is a guy that will not be going in 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:16.320 the first probably first two days of the draft, is 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.600 hoping to get drafted all together. But he's a cornerback 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.159 from Dubuque. And for those who haven't followed, it's a 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.280 Division three school that's miles from where I grew up 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.440 at there you go, just across the Mississippi River. Yes 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.800 it is. I've been down there. It's a beautiful, beautiful town. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.040 But so interestingly enough, Michael Joseph ends up there. Didn't 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.400 play hardly at all in high school. He I think 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.199