1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague 3 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: west Hodku. It's we are back from the NFL scouting 4 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: combine and back in our studios here at lambeau Field West. 5 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: It was a long week, but a fun week in Indie. 6 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: It sure was, Mike. Unfortunately for you and me. We 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: beat the storm back up to Green Day we did 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 1: driving up to to get back in our studio. It's 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: good to be home. Yeah, it is good to be home. 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: But I know Packers fans between now and the draft, 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: and not that they haven't been talking about it since 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: the end of the season. There's two positions in this draft. 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: The Packers fans are focused on. It's pass rushers and cornerbacks. 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: They want to know who's out there. Who do the 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Packers have their eye on? Who might be there at 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: number fourteen? If the Packers are going to use that 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: opportunity to improve on defense, Let's start with the pass 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: rushers and a couple of guys I know that have 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: been attached to the Packers in various mock drafts and 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: things like that. And those mock drafts are going to 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: change here and there now now that the combine is finished. 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: As we lead up to the draft, but Marcus Davenport 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: from Texas San Antonio and Harold Landry from Boston College 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: a couple of guys projected as first rounders, maybe not 25 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,279 Speaker 1: necessarily top ten picks, but at the same time, Marcus 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Davenport when he ran a sub four six forty then 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: at the combine, so you start to wonder, now if 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: this guy from Texas San Antonio, who is kind of 29 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: the consensus mock draft selection for the Packers at number fourteen, 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: you wonder if he's even gonna last that long? You do? 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, when you when you run a sub four 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: six is a pass rusher, it's gonna get you noticed. 33 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, I think it was Clay was 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: four six seven, but it was also his initial splits 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: were phenomenal, which is eventually what got it to be 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: a first round pick. The broad jump is exactly where 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: you wanted to be for Davenport. Certainly, the size has 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: all the intangibles you look for as an elephant type end. 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: The thing that's and I wrote about this an insider inbox. 40 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: When we got back to Green Bay. The thing that 41 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: intrigues me the most is and I'm not I'm no 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: Mike Mayock. I'm not saying that I am. But I 43 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: did find it interesting him talking about really what he 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: sees a sort of a lack of depth in this 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: draft class when it comes to edge rusher. That might 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: be the case, but there are a lot of intriguing 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: options for the Packers, whether it's Davenport, whether it is Landry. 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: If you go maybe a little bit farther back in 49 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: the first round into the second round, I think there's 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: some interesting guys there. Could Art and Key move up. 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: He certainly has the frame that you look for, maybe 52 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: to put on some weight. Sam Hubbard isn't in that conversation. 53 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,679 Speaker 1: Art and Key from l s U, Sam Hubbard from 54 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Ohio sty Ohio State. Just some guys that have phenomenal length. 55 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: And I just remember a year ago, or actually known 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: two years ago, when we were talking about the Packers 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: drafting Kyler Facral six five. It was just amazing. Well, 58 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: this particular draft, including Davenport, there's a lot of guys 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: in that four to six six range, and I think 60 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: if you're an edge rushing coach, really are going to 61 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: make you want to take a long, hard look at 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, I think that's the one thing that 63 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: stands out to me about this pass rush draft class 64 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: is is the size and the length of these guys. 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: They're all six five six six, it seems like, and yeah, 66 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: there may not be a whole lot of depth to 67 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: where you might not be able to find a Vince 68 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: Biegel at the top of the fourth round in this draft. 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: If you're gonna get one of these pass rushers, you 70 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: you might have to you might have to grab him early. 71 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: But you look at Davenport, really the question people have 72 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: about him that the knock against him, so to speak, 73 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: is the Texas San Antonio the level of competition that 74 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: he played in college. Now he went down to the 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and went up against all the top prospects 76 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: from all the major conferences there and held his own. 77 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: It hasn't heard his draft stock. He's still being projected 78 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: as a first rounder. So he's answered some of those questions. 79 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: You look at a guy like Landry from Boston College 80 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen. This guy had sixteen and a half 81 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: sacks west and then he was headed for probably another 82 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: double bull digit sacks season he believes he definitely would 83 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: have had double digits, but a knee injury middle of 84 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: the season. He tried to play through it for a 85 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: couple of games, couldn't get a whole lot done, just 86 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: made it worse and they and they had to shut 87 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: him down. Um no, I'm sorry. Maybe it was an 88 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: ankle injury. I believe it was. Yeah, yeah, lower body, 89 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: but yes, uh so he uh but but this is 90 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: a guy with with a ton of confidence. He's a 91 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, he's what they call a dip and rip 92 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: type of pass rusher. He's got speed off the edge. 93 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: He likes to go low around the corner and get 94 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: around those offensive tackles. I think the question with him 95 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: is can you do more than that? Is he? Or 96 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: is he's you know, the one trick pony so to speak, 97 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: which you know, a guy like Kabir Baja Biamila, he 98 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: made a heck of a career out of being basically 99 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: a speed rusher off the edge, and he got a 100 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: lot of sacks. But in this day and age in 101 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: the NFL, scouts are gonna be you know, and Bla 102 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: was a fifth round draft pick. We're not talking about 103 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: a first round pick here, So you wonder. You wonder 104 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: with Landry, he says. You know, as he gets still 105 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: gets bigger and stronger, he feels he can develop more 106 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: strength moves with his pass rush. Right now, he's just 107 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: a speed guy, and it's about the scouts projecting maybe 108 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: what they see a bigger repertoire that he might be 109 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: able to develop down the road. Yeah. And one of 110 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: the things, mich where I mentioned some of these guys 111 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: with a little bit more length, including Davenport, is probably 112 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: the post child for this sometimes can play with that 113 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: elevated pad level have a hard time dipping and ripping, 114 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: to use that phrase. Lander is probably on the other 115 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: side of that, a little bit more traditional. At six 116 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: ft three around two and fifty pounds, I think that 117 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: puts him more in that, you know, Nick Perry, Clay 118 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: Matthews traditional kind of size for that position. But as 119 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: Larry mccarren pointed out on one of the shows we 120 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: did over the weekend, the question is how how that's 121 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: going to translate against the David baktrs, against these top 122 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: tackles in the league. Because I always go back to this, 123 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: and I don't try to make you know, Darrell Worthy, 124 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: you know, a step child for this kind of thing. 125 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: But you know, he had that initial burst. He was 126 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: able to read the snap, the snaps and the cadences 127 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: in the NFL or in college at Michigan State, and 128 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: it just didn't translate to the pros Landry that type 129 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: of rushing style. How is that going to be? Uh? 130 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: In terms of how is he going to adapt that 131 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: to the next level. A lot of ability and I 132 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: think again, another guy that tested through the roof throughout 133 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 1: this combine is going to be something that that teams 134 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: are really gonna have to think about and ponder. Yeah, 135 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: when you mentioned Larry McCarron in those shows he did 136 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: with us before we go to break here, I want 137 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: to be able to say thanks to Larry for those 138 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: those shows in India. I hope the fans enjoyed it. 139 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: We certainly enjoy his u his storytelling him whatnot. It 140 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: was great to have him on the set for a 141 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: few days. There's only one Larry McCarron. It's it honestly, 142 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: it's like having you know, a Hall of Famer walked 143 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: back into the studio for you, uh and come up. 144 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: It was. It was a great, great time with him 145 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: last week that was great. Well, we've got more from 146 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: our trip to the combine. Back with that on Packers 147 00:06:46,160 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike 148 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: Spofford in this chair, Wes Hodko, it's in that one 149 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: and west. Moving on to the cornerbacks, which is the 150 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: other big position on defense that Packers fans have their 151 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: eye on, wondering who might be there at number fourteen, 152 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: who to the Packers maybe have some interest in. Two 153 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: guys that I wrote about on our website after they 154 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: met with the media as the scouting combine was the 155 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: media portion of the scouting combine was wrapping up over 156 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: the weekend. Two guys from the Big Ten I was 157 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson and Ohio State's Denzel Ward, both of them 158 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: pretty consensus first round picks. But the interesting thing about 159 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: it is these are two guys very different types of cornerbacks. 160 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Josh Jackson kind of a zone corner ball hawk type 161 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: of guy. Eight interceptions this past season, five of them 162 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: against the two teams that played for the Big Ten 163 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 1: championship in Ohio State in Wisconsin. Those were two huge 164 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: games that he had, but questions about his overall experience 165 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: because he was only a starter at Iowa for one year, 166 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: and then also questions about his speed because he's not 167 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: a man to man cornerback. He he was mostly a 168 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: zone corner. Then you have a ward from Ohio State, 169 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: no questions about his speed at all. He's uh, he's 170 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: a burner, there's no doubt about that. But he's a 171 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: little on the smaller side. Five ten. You know, he says, hey, 172 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm five eleven. Um, take that for what 173 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: it's worth. Um. But but but a fast guy, all 174 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: kinds of man to man cover skills. But then only 175 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: two interceptions on the stat sheet for somebody who uh um, 176 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: for somebody who is is as talented as he is. 177 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: And and I asked him, you know, well, what is 178 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: the what is the thing that the coaches and the 179 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: scouts in the NFL like want you to work on? 180 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: And he says, you know, finding the ball, tracking the ball, 181 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, which, of course that's what's going 182 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: to lead to more interceptions when you're in those man 183 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: to man situations. So two guys with a lot of 184 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: talent and a ton of upside, but not perfect prospects either. So, um, 185 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: just your thoughts maybe on how this is going to 186 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: shake out, is maybe who is who's the top guy 187 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: who's gonna go first. Yeah, I can't sit here and 188 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: say that these guys shouldn't have come out for the 189 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: draft there one and two really probably with with Izzy 190 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: Oliver out of Colorado in terms of the prospects at 191 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: this position. But the questions that both I don't want 192 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: to say they raised red flags for me, but it 193 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: does from a Packers perspective make me slightly apprehensive. And 194 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: the reason I say that is Packers are a man 195 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: press man defense and now we'll have to see what 196 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: kind of adjustments they make ultimately underneath Mike Petton. But 197 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: Joe Witt is still here. He's a press man coach. 198 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: So a guy like Josh Jackson has the size six, 199 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: that's the type of guy that you want up on 200 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: the line, but he hasn't done it a lot. And 201 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: then you look from words perspective to add more context 202 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: to what you were saying, the old run wolf way 203 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: of doing businesses the guys underneath five eleven. He really 204 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: don't want to shift from that. Yeah, you're taking a 205 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: risk there, and the Packers the one him that they 206 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: win against that with a mod Carroll. You know how 207 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the story wins. So uh, both of 208 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: these guys I think are incomplete in that way. And 209 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: that's why I think maybe if we were talking about 210 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: the end of the first round, that's where I potentially 211 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: be a little bit more comfortable. But I'm curious to 212 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: see they have pro days coming up. There's a lot 213 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: of different things that are going to happen. But as 214 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: far as number fourteen, I'm it just doesn't seem to 215 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: me like this year there's a Jalen Ramsey type guy 216 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: that is just okay, that's the guy. Top ten talent. 217 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: There we are. It seems to me that cornerback position, 218 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: there's depth there. But I just don't think there's a 219 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: guy right now, at least on my perspective. Whatever that 220 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: means that that just jumps off the page is a 221 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: is a must for a top fifteen. Yeah, and you 222 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: mentioned Oliver from Colorado. He's another one of these guys 223 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: being talked about in the mix. I personally don't know 224 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: a lot about him. Can you kind of fill us 225 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: in or what do you know about another guy that's 226 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: big and lengthy. I mean that's six one and obviously 227 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: two one or ninety pounds. I mean, the other thing 228 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: that stands out to you about his game, he offers 229 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: you some punt return versatility. Uh, there's other things he 230 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: can do from day one to come out and help 231 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: a football team. The thing is, though, again it's another 232 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: guy that think had like one or two in two 233 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: interceptions during his his last season, another junior entry. So 234 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: there's so much projection that goes into this. You go 235 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: back to the last time the Packers have invested into 236 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: this position. Last year, Kevin King gave you a lot 237 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: of production, but again coming from that system of cornerbacks, 238 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: didn't really have a lot in one specific area. He 239 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: played boundary. He started as a safety, he worked you know, 240 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: the slot at times, and then the year before that, 241 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean it was just a total kind of crap 242 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: shoot with de Marius Randall coming from playing basically a 243 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: box safety and then Quentin Rollins had just transition to 244 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: the position. So a lot of times I think that 245 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: puts it puts some pressure on your scouts. It puts 246 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: pressure on Joe Wit guys to understand, okay, what we 247 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: want to do in this system and find people that 248 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: compliment that. The one thing that I think going back 249 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: to Jackson, you can't you can't argue with eight interceptions 250 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: in the Big ten and there were some big interceptions 251 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: in some big games, and I know that was something 252 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: that you kind of talked to him about, you know 253 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: what he was able to accomplish and really only fourteen 254 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: starts as a Division one, you know, starting quarterback. Yeah, 255 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: he he basically played nickel corner for Iowa his first 256 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: two seasons. Was was beaten out his second year by 257 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: another player for the starting boundary corner job. So then 258 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: he was the nickel guy coming off the bench. And 259 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: then in his one year as a starter three interceptions 260 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: against Ohio State to pick six is against Wisconsin at 261 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: Camp Randall ended up with eight interceptions overall, which led 262 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: the country twenty six passes defense. I believe was that 263 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: was the final statistic there for him. Just a stat 264 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: that clearly jumps off the page. Another thing about Ward 265 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: two from Ohio State that I'll mention. Assuming war does 266 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: get drafted in the first round, he will be the 267 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: fifth defensive back and fourth cornerback out of Ohio State 268 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: to go in the first round in a span of 269 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: three drafts. Because two years ago, Eli Apple a cornerback 270 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: was the first round pick, and then last year three 271 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Ohio State dbs all taken in the first round, Marshawn 272 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Lattimore who ended up being the NFL's Defensive Rookie of 273 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: the Year with New Orleans, and then also the safety 274 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: Malik Hooker and the other cornerback Gary and Connley. So 275 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: there's a pedigree here with in this these recent years 276 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: with Ohio State and defensive backs and Denzil Awards. As Yeah, 277 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: I want to I want to be the next guy. 278 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,599 Speaker 1: I want to carry on that tradition. Yeah, not to 279 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: rip on ward. Two things I want to add, as 280 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: far as to his credit four point three tot you 281 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: can't coach that. That's just speed. That's the speed. The 282 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: speed is not a question with him, whereas it is 283 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: with Jackson. Yes, and then also did the run Wolf 284 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: way of thinking to be fair Ron Wolf retired in 285 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: two thousand one. Is a gm a lot of boundary 286 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: corner action. There wasn't a lot of slot play. There's 287 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: ways now in a defense to really utilize those guys, 288 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: even if they aren't six ft tall. Yeah, it'll be 289 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: interesting to see how it plays out. But for now, 290 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: we're going to toss it to a breakback with more 291 00:13:48,679 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: on Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. 292 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: Mike Spofford right here West, hodko w It's all the 293 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: way over there at West. One of the things that's 294 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: always fun to do at the combine is you search 295 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: through the list of prospects trying to find, you know, 296 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: these different guys that maybe have some connection to Green Bay, 297 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: some connection to the Packers somewhere in their history, and 298 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: here they are trying to make their way in the 299 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: NFL draft. Well, there's one that you talked to and 300 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: you wrote about him on our website who grew up 301 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: basically a ten minute walk from lambeau Field. And here 302 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: he is at the at at the scouting comment and 303 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: who he was, I should say, trying to make his 304 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: impression and state his case to be a to be 305 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: a high draft pick. Tell us about him. Tennessee defensive 306 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: tackle Khalil Mackenzie, the son of Reginald Mackenzie, the Packers 307 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: former personnel executive and current Raiders GM. I actually had 308 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: a chance to cover Khalil when he was still at 309 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: Green Bay South his two seasons there. I I live 310 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: streamed some of his football games for the Trojans, and 311 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: I'll never forget his freshman year. The first time, you know, 312 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: you go to the game. You remember those used to 313 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: cover preps. You get the roster sheet, right, and it 314 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: said Khalil Mackenzie. I think he was number ninety nine. 315 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong on that, but six ft two forty 316 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: pounds f R freshman pounds Mike, I'm five eight on 317 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: a good day and seventy pounds and I'm thirty years old. 318 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it just shows you just what kind of 319 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: both him and his brother Jalen, who's now attack on 320 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: offensive tackle at usc UH. These guys had it in 321 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: their blood. And what happened is after his sophomore year, 322 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: him and his family decided to follow his dad out 323 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: to California. So he only had his first fifteen years 324 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: in Green Bay. But I asked him about that, what 325 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: that time meant to him? Green Bay Southwest they won 326 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: their first conference title in thirty seven years while he 327 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: was there. They had two deep runs in the w 328 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: i A State playoffs, came up a little short of stay, 329 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: but just some phenomenal memories he had. Goes on to Tennessee, 330 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: played three seasons there was injured during one of them. 331 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: In this past year really, I think started to come 332 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: into his own. I think he's surprised some people when 333 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: he declared for the NFL Draft instead of going back 334 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: for his senior season. But to him talking with his dad, 335 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: this is a decision he felt was right for his 336 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: future and now going to try his luck at the NFL. 337 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: But he certainly has Packers in his pedigree for sure. Yeah. Well, 338 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting because you know, and not to 339 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: not to knock anybody, but there are certain things that 340 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: you're blessed with that are God given. Reggie mackenzie not 341 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: a small man. Reggie's twin brother, Raleigh not a small man. 342 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: And uh Khalil Mackenzie now Reggie's son and Raleigh's nephew, 343 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: the two of the two elder ones obviously being you know, 344 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: NFL veterans. Um Khalil not a small young man. No, 345 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: he hasn't and he goes in about six three I 346 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: think he waited in at three and twenty pounds. And 347 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: I was he was at one of the pody or 348 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: the one of the tables off to the side of 349 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: the podage. He was talking in with the media and 350 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: and I just the size of his calves and his 351 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: lower body, what he has to work with. The bloodlines 352 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: are there. This is the guy who was a five 353 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: star recruit coming out of high school. And even though 354 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: you know, I know there was some setbacks for him 355 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: at Tennessee. He said he wishes he would have won more. 356 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: But like I said, the potential has always been there. 357 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: So the neat thing for him right now is he 358 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: spent his You know, he spent a ton of time 359 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: as a kid inside the Packers buildings, going through game programs, 360 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: going through stat sheets, scouting players with his dad. You know, 361 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: he recalled in two thousand and eleven being on the 362 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: podium just off to the side when Aaron Rodgers is 363 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: lifting the Lombardi Trophy with the belt on his shoulder. 364 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: Just the memories that this guy has had and his 365 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: short time span only twenty one years old. Uh, and 366 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: now trying to make his own NFL dreams come true. 367 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great story to watch. And he 368 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't bite on whether or not he had a formal 369 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: interview with the Raiders or not. I don't know how 370 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: exactly that works in their household, but uh, certainly very 371 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: excited now about this next step. First, we almost wonder, 372 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: like how much would the Raiders really have to find 373 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: doubt about him, because Reggie pretty much, you would think, 374 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: would know everything there is to know. That being said, 375 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: it is interesting though that he decided to declare earlier 376 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: you play three years in the SEC. I mean, you've 377 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: definitely got something going there. But he's not being talked 378 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: about it as as a high draft picks. Yeah, he's 379 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: trying to trying to jump in there early, but I 380 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: guess we'll see what happens with that. We'll go to 381 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: a break back with more on Packers Unscripted right after this. 382 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford alongside West, Hidekowits 383 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: and West. Quickly before we go, since this is our 384 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: first show back in the studio after our trip to 385 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: the Combine, just wanted to get your thoughts. What was 386 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: the single thing that made the biggest impression on you 387 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: during the weekend? And well, I mean certainly it's Shack Griffin. 388 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: Everything else is one B, one C, one D. And 389 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: we'll get to talking about Griffin a little bit more 390 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: on shows later this week. But Michael Joseph is a 391 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: name I think people need to pay attention to. Uh. 392 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: This is a guy that will not be going in 393 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: the first probably first two days of the draft, is 394 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: hoping to get drafted all together. But he's a cornerback 395 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: from Dubuque. And for those who haven't followed, it's a 396 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: Division three school that's miles from where I grew up 397 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: at there you go, just across the Mississippi River. Yes 398 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: it is. I've been down there. It's a beautiful, beautiful town. 399 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: But so interestingly enough, Michael Joseph ends up there. Didn't 400 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: play hardly at all in high school. He I think 401 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: he had five tackles. Um, you know, didn't really ever 402 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: get a chance to play a cornerback, and and kind 403 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: of went to college feeling like, you know what, I 404 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: never really got my shots. So he starts off on 405 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: basically the JV version of their football team, uh, not 406 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: even on their actual team, and just over time just 407 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: gets more opportunities, more opportunities. Is sophomore year he starts starting, 408 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: and then suddenly this guy ends up turning into a 409 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: legitimate prospect. Uh, and now getting this attention, I asked 410 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: him if Dubuke's ever had anyone in the league. He 411 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: mentioned there's a couple of guys that got tryouts, but 412 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: this is a big opportunity for this young man trying 413 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: to make an NFL dream come true and and going 414 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: from such a small stage. He was one of the 415 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: finalists for the Division Three Award last year for best 416 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: Small school player. To now having a chance to to 417 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: potentially make it in the NFL, just I think incredible. 418 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: It shows incredible amount of him and determination, perseverance. Didn't 419 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: have the best grades in high school, but really worked 420 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: hard at trying to make this dream come true. And 421 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: I thought he was one of the most probably under 422 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: the radar, but yet compelling stories to come out of 423 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: the combine. Yeah, definitely will be. Uh will be an 424 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: interesting story to follow and see just how that unfolds. 425 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: What I'm gonna say about my biggest impression, and this 426 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't come as a shock, but when you're there 427 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: at the combine, the reality sort of sets in. And 428 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is just all the attention that 429 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: is on quarterbacks in this draft, and how different a 430 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: draft is for a team such as the Packers when 431 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: you're not in the market for a first round cornerback 432 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: because you don't have to find that franchise guy. And 433 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: then the teams that are because you know, this year 434 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about Sam Donald from USC, Josh Allen from Wyoming, 435 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, U C. L. A. Baker, may have Mayfield 436 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, even Mason Rudolph from Oklahoma State. All these 437 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: guys being talked about. Quarterback is always going to be overdrafted. 438 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: The quarterback press conferences have the most reporters around him. 439 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: Everybody wants to talk to them, find out what's going 440 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: on there, where they think they're going to be picked, 441 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: and how they're gonna fit with this system or that system. 442 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: The the attention on the quarterbacks is just never ending. 443 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: It it just reinforces. It is the premier position probably 444 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: in all of sports, and teams need to find him. Yeah, 445 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: that continues next month. Alright, with that, we will call 446 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted, but 447 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 448 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot Com on Twitter. You can still 449 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: find him at west Hod I'm at Mike Spofford at 450 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. 451 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time m