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Speaker 1: From house top works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Molly. This might seem

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Speaker 1: like an odd way to start an episode on human trafficking,

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Speaker 1: but bear with me, listeners. Molly, last week I felt

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Speaker 1: the article how human trafficking works. Pretty intense topic to

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Speaker 1: take on. It is. It was not the happiest two

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Speaker 1: the stories that you read, as you might imagine, are

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Speaker 1: so sad um. But it's an important issue specifically for

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Speaker 1: our podcast because a lot of people um associate human

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Speaker 1: trafficking with women and children. They can be targets for

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Speaker 1: for this stuff and actually blowing my mind. And now

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Speaker 1: before we came into record this Christian and we got

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Speaker 1: an email request for this one. So it's an important

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Speaker 1: issue for us to do. I can't promise it's going

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Speaker 1: to be our happiest podcast, but if in the middle

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Speaker 1: google kitten holding a Teddy Bear, then you will understand.

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Speaker 1: You know, service Kristen provided for me. But if you

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Speaker 1: gonna be downer, I'm not gonna listen to it. Well

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Speaker 1: at any time in human history. I mean a right,

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Speaker 1: In fact, this past year, when the U. S Department

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