1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: I'm watching yesterday and watching last night. I'm fascinated by 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: Mason Miller. He he is the Padres closer, and when 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: he's on the mound, he's bringing three digits. It's one 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour. Fifteen total pitches were one hundred 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: or more miles per hour by the Padres versus the 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Cubs yesterday. Eleven of the fifteen were by Mason Miller, 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: seven in the seventh inning, four in the eighth inning, 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: four by Robert Suarez, all in the ninth inning. They're 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: just bringing in one oh four point five on the 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 2: FM dial. I mean, it's impressive. And if you wonder 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: why they have a you know, they're going to be 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: a pitch count because there are more guys throwing, you know, 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: more than one hundred miles an hour. Now it I 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: mean it's jumped up almost five miles per hour. That's incredible. 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: We'll have more on that coming up, but you know, 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: I started to look at just the velocity with the 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: Padres bullpen. They had fifteen pitches of over one hundred 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 2: miles an hour. Last time that happened the Yankees game 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: three of the alds when they had twenty eight of 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: those pitches, and with Miller, Miller's faced nine batters, eight 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 2: strikeounts and he hit somebody sixteen of his forty pitches 24 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: or one hundred miles an hour or greater. Now, it 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: used to be that you would have a couple of 26 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: guys who threw hard. I go back to Bob Feller, 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: I go back to Nolan Ryan and Nolan Ryan. You 28 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: know the jugs gun. He probably threw one hundred and 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: four hundred five miles per hour. But there is a difference, 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: and I remember we've asked pitchers before, what's the difference 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: between ninety six and one hundred, and hitters will tell 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: you there is a big difference with that. But everything 33 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: is the speed and how often I see that. And 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: that's where you'll see guys get locked in. They'll say, 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: throw me that fastball. All hit that eventually catch up 36 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: to that. Breaking ball. That's different. Breaking ball will withstand 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: the test of time. Fastball they can turn on it 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: because they'll see it. You see one hundred mile an 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: hour fastball more often. It used to be you'd be like, 40 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I don't see anybody throwing like that. 41 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: Now it's commonplace. Now everybody's built that way. You're encouraged 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 2: to throw as hard as you can for as long 43 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: as you can, and then they kick you to the curb. 44 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: Tommy John Surgery, come on down. Somebody else is going 45 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: to come on in fewer innings. Now it's about you 46 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: get in. Throw as hard as you can, and then 47 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: we'll bring in somebody else. Throw as hard as you can. 48 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: I always wondered why pitchers would start out, and I 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: talked to Kurt Shilling about this many years ago. I said, 50 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: why do you throw harder the longer you're in the game. 51 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: He said, well, those pitches mean more. And I'm loose, 52 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: like I'm you're you're building up momentum. My nickname in 53 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: high school was fast but won't last, and that had 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: to do with pitching as well. Basel. Yes it is, 55 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: and I could throw really hard, but I couldn't throw, 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: you know, for a long period of time. It'd be 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: like seven pitches. Be like man, that guy, you know, 58 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: he can throw hard, and then all of a sudden, 59 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: I have a noodle arm. After that, these guys come in, 60 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: they know I got about fifteen or twenty pitches. That's 61 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: how how long I can go and then you'll bring 62 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: in the next guy. So starting pitching used to be 63 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: you were going six or seven in announcers are shocked, 64 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: like I'm a moto. He came back for another inning 65 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: and the announcers were like, oh, he's coming back. It's 66 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: just sixth inning. But it's just different now. The days 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: of finesse feels like long gone. But you still have 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: that breaking ball. That breaking ball is the great equalizer 69 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: in my opinion, and you see that with these guys. 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 2: You can have a fastball, but you better have a 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: breaking ball, something off speed, because if not, they lock 72 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: in and that's where you go. That's one hundred and 73 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: four mile an hour fastball, and he took it deep. 74 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: They can. They're geared for that, even these pitching machines. 75 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: When we were at the Super Bowl and we were 76 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: at the Giant's facility in Scottsdale, and we asked them, 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: they had the jugs gun down below the stadium and 78 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 2: we went down there to take BP one day and 79 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: I said, can you make that throw like Clayton Kershaw curveball? 80 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: And they said yes, like they've gotten it. So it's 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: not just they're throwing fastballs. They can throw off speed pitches, 82 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: they can throw breaking balls, they can throw sliders. That's 83 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: what amazed me because it's like even us, you know, 84 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: with an eighty five or ninety mile an hour fastball, 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 2: you can put your bat on it. But if you say, hey, 86 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what's coming, and then 87 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know you're up there and 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: your legs give out. That's that's what's still amazing. That's 89 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 2: why Clayton Kershaw can still pitch the way he pitches 90 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: because he has that breaking ball. Now you have to 91 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: keep him hon Us with a fastball that is at 92 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: least in the nineties, but now and you're watching these 93 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: guys like I would too. PAULI text me to say, 94 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: Mason Miller's coming in. I went over to watch the game, 95 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 2: and he looks the part of a guy who throws 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 2: one hundred and four miles an hour. He looks like 97 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: he could be, you know, a linebacker. But that's baseball now, 98 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: and you saw that yesterday and last night. These guys 99 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: throw hard for as long as they can. 100 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: Yes, Marvin, remember when Tim Linskin came on the scene 101 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: and everyone was like man, he's so slight. How is 102 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 3: he going to be able to last that long? Because 103 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: all these guys, just like you said, Mason Miller looks 104 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: like a linebacker. 105 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: Now, these guys got to be big. Also, well, you 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: still get that guy that defies logic. Where you go, 107 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: how does that guy throw that hard? And there are 108 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: certain guys like Pedro Martinez, to me, is one of 109 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: the most fascinating pictures of all time, one of the 110 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: greatest pictures of all time, one of the most underrated 111 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: pictures of all time, because if you meet him, he's slight, 112 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: but he had that ability. He was able to make 113 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: that ball move, but he also had velocity. Even when 114 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: you're around Mo Rivera, like you're standing next to him 115 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: and I'm going that guy is the greatest closer of 116 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: all time. And he doesn't look like he's a baseball player. 117 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, what do you do for a living? Uh? 118 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: You know, I'm a closer for the Yankees. You know, 119 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 2: enter Sandman. Oh okay, but that's the fascination you have 120 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: with baseball. There's certain guys who can do certain things 121 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: with the baseball that we can't. But what they're teaching 122 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: now is go out there and they've studied it's physics, 123 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: it's probably geometry, algebra, math, all that thrown in there. 124 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: Spin rate, you know, that's why you get that. You 125 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: want a little bit of tackiness on the ball, so 126 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: you get that spin rate there. Pitchers would complain about 127 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: that early in the year, but it's fascinating to watch 128 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: it really is. Yeah, Pauling, That's what I'm curious about. 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 4: Is it the natural human development or is it things 130 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: like less ending so you could throw harder, more often, 131 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: better medical advice, better workout routines. Because in two thousand 132 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: and two, the average fastball Major League Baseball was eighty 133 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 4: nine miles per hour. Now it's ninety four. It's gone 134 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 4: up five miles an hour in less than a generation. 135 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 4: Does that mean it's going to keep going that way? 136 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: It's hard to know. 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: I would have to talk to somebody who is in 138 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 2: physiology or smart people. 139 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: Yes. 140 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, See, if you can get somebody at Yale who 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: can join us this morning, we'll do Satan. Yeah. 142 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 5: I think a lot of it is just how good 143 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 5: we've gotten at breaking down the mechanics rather than anything else. 144 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 5: You have such slow motion, you know, and graphics and 145 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 5: technology and all of this stuff that you're able to 146 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 5: understand if you're pushing off at the right angle, you're 147 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 5: doing all of these different things and the leverage that 148 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 5: your body creates or the torque that it creates to 149 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 5: throw the ball. I think we've gotten so good at 150 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 5: just figuring that part of it out. I don't know 151 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 5: how much better you can get at it, but I 152 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 5: think that's a big part of it. 153 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: When we go to spring training, or I used to 154 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: go to spring training, I always love to see what 155 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: pitchers were doing, because you know, hitting hasn't really changed 156 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: other than you know, you're swinging up on the ball. 157 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: You know, you're trying to launch the ball. Launch angle 158 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: is the big one. But with pitchers, there's always these 159 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: different kind of routines, exercises they were doing, Like they 160 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: would take a towel and then they would you know, 161 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: have the pitching motion and they were just you know, 162 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: holding onto a towel, snapping the towel. Yeah yeah, And 163 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, okay, but you're seeing all of these 164 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: different things, and it goes back to Mark Pryor when 165 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: he was with the Cubs, like these are things that 166 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: guys have been doing and Tom House, who's a former 167 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 2: reliever with the Braves. He's a pitching coach, but he's 168 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: also helped Tom Brady. He helps a lot of these 169 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: quarterbacks and how you throw the football, you know, how 170 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: you torque all those things, and teaching a lot of 171 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: this modern phillot. It's like the golf swing. When you 172 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 2: look and somebody is hitting the ball less than three 173 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: hundred yards, we go, man, what's wrong with him? Okay? 174 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: Now it's you know, the shamba hit a three seventy two, 175 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: and we go, did he get all of it? Rory? 176 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: Some of these other guys, we're shocked when somebody doesn't 177 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: hit it three hundred yards. But that's technology. But that's 178 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: also understanding. They're using the ground now. It starts from 179 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: the ground up. It's not how fast you can swing 180 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: your arms or how fast you move your hips. You know, 181 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: you look at John Rahm, it doesn't even look like 182 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: he's finishing his backswing. They've studied this. It is a science. 183 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: It's not boy, he's just naturally gifted. Rory's naturally gifted, 184 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: so is Tiger. But they did understand how do I 185 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: get more distance? How do I get and how do 186 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: I compress the ball, the accuracy, all of those things. 187 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: That's what they're doing with every sport. It can be 188 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: kicking a soccer ball, kicking a football. In fact of 189 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: which Vic Fangio. Vic Fangio was talking about kickers and 190 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: he compared them to the steroid era in baseball. Have 191 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: that for you coming up. Also, Sean Payton is facing 192 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: the Eagles this weekend. He defends the toush push. We'll 193 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: have that for you coming up. We got a lot 194 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: of things to get to today. Your phone call is 195 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: always welcome. Will settle on a poll question. We'll discuss 196 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: that and the greatest lineups in baseball history. And I'm 197 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 2: talking about not Hall of famers, lineups that have MVP 198 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: winners in him. We'll talk about that as well. I 199 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: think I said in them. I don't think that's a word. 200 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: I think it's in them. Everyone gets in them. Yeah, 201 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: outam in them. 202 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 203 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 204 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 205 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 6: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. 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We talked about the Big Red Machine 219 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: because those guys won their MVPs with the Reds when 220 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: you had Rose and Morgan and Bench and Foster Peter 221 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: King who covered the Reds. I believe for a little 222 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: while in Cincinnati, longtime NFL writer, where do you rank 223 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: the Big Red Machine as far as lineups of all time? 224 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 7: Dan, It's got to be in the top five, clearly. 225 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 7: I think it's hard because you have to rank lineups 226 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 7: as you know, in their era, So I don't know 227 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 7: how a lineup could be much better, any better? Than 228 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 7: what the Yankees put on the field with Garig and Ruth. 229 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 7: But the difference with this Reds lineup is that, you know, 230 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 7: look a lot of times, obviously the pitcher's still hit. 231 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 7: You have Davy concepcionn betting eighth, you know, sometimes maybe 232 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 7: Caesar Geronimo. But I mean, you know, they they had 233 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 7: an all star batting eighth a lot of times, and 234 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 7: I don't know, to me, I thought it was so 235 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 7: dangerous and that was such a potent group. And you're right. 236 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 7: I covered them on and off for four years in 237 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 7: the late seventies and early eighties as an intern, and 238 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 7: and then I mean I actually went on the road 239 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 7: with the Reds three times in eighty eighty one and 240 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 7: eighty two, and so I got to know those guys. 241 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 7: I got to know Johnny Bench, got to know Tom 242 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 7: Seavers some and they were they were totally fearless. That's 243 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 7: the thing I loved about him. You know, I just 244 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 7: love the fact that Tony Perez conceptsi on, Hey, bring 245 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 7: it on, we love it. 246 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: You know, we've been talking about Shoho Tani that he 247 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: has this added advantage that he's able to pitch, so 248 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: no matter what you do, hitting he's gonna be a 249 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: great hitter, but he always has that, and I'm wondering 250 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: if that translates to the NFL that Josh Allen and 251 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson have the added element of running as well 252 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: as being really good passers, and how that gives them. 253 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: Does that give them a little bit more of a 254 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: head start when it comes to MVPs. 255 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, sho he, Otani to me is the 256 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 7: guy in the NFL who'd be like him. Maybe is 257 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 7: Travis Hunter at some point, because you've always had mobile quarterbacks. 258 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 7: I mean, you know, he had Michael Vick running for 259 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 7: in Colin Kaepernick running for one hundred yards in playoff games. 260 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 7: I was at lambeau Field in I think O two 261 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 7: when Michael Vick came in and be far of twenty 262 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 7: seven to seven in the snow, and he did it 263 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 7: with his legs just as much as his arm. So 264 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 7: that has existed. Otani is so special because he's not 265 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 7: just a pitcher. I mean he might be at his 266 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 7: p I mean, he might be Garrett Kroschet. I mean, hey, 267 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 7: Garrett Crochet might be sho Hey. I mean, because I 268 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 7: don't want I don't want to demean show. Hey, Otani 269 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 7: because man, he's great. When I'm really looking forward next year, 270 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 7: I hope that we could see him pitch seven or 271 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 7: eight innings every fifth day. 272 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 8: I hope. 273 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 7: I have no idea what his body can take, but man, 274 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 7: what a treat it is to watch him play. 275 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: All Right, So I get a random text from you 276 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: yesterday saying, basically, am I the only guy who is 277 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,239 Speaker 2: affiliated with football who is okay with a tie in overtime? 278 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 7: I actually liked ties? I mean the biggest reason, Dan, 279 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 7: I'll take you back to twenty twenty one. There was 280 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 7: one tie in the NFL that season. Pittsburgh tied Detroit sixteen. 281 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 7: All okay, that was you know, that was I mean 282 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 7: Detroit either was winless at the time or whatever. They 283 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 7: were a bad team at that time, but there was 284 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 7: a tie sixteen sixteen. At the end of the year, 285 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 7: the Steelers record was nine seven and one, okay. And 286 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 7: that season there were three teams in the AFC that 287 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 7: were nine and eight, the Chargers, the Colts, and the Dolphins. 288 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 7: So just imagine. And the Lions had a field goal 289 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 7: in overtime that they missed. So imagine if the Steelers, 290 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 7: if that field goal had been good and the Steelers 291 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 7: would have lost. I don't know who would have won 292 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 7: the tiebreaker, but it would have been a four team tiebreaker. 293 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 7: A tie basically eliminates a tie. At the end of 294 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 7: the seat, you know, you're either north of the Mason 295 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 7: Dixon line or south of it, but it eliminates it. 296 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 7: And plus, here's the other thing, Dan, that game the 297 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 7: other night was incredibly fun and at the end of it, Now, 298 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 7: if you're if you're a fan of one of the 299 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 7: two teams, you know, Green Bay or Dallas, maybe you're 300 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 7: ticked off that you And if you're a player, you're 301 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 7: ticked off that you got a tie. I mean, how 302 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 7: can a fan just watching at home, you see the 303 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 7: bizarre end the clock stop with one second left and 304 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 7: they're able to kick a field goal. How can you 305 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 7: be upset at that? I mean, it was fun. It 306 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 7: was scintillating the whole time. So I don't know. I mean, 307 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 7: I bet that was a lot more fun than the 308 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 7: sixteen sixteen tie between Pittsburgh and Detroit. That was a 309 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 7: fantastic football game. 310 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great meal, but I gotta have 311 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: dessert in coffee. And when we didn't get that, I 312 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 2: want to have. I'd like to have, you know, a 313 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: winner and a loser. That's why we play these games, 314 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 2: to win or lose. 315 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 7: But but it's so unique, it's so I mean, you know, 316 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 7: there's they don't There isn't even on average one tie 317 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 7: per season. I think it's kind of cool. My grandson, Freddy, 318 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 7: who's a huge football fan, he's seven years old, about 319 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 7: to turn eight, and he watches all the games. And 320 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 7: he got up Monday morning to get ready for school, 321 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 7: and you know, my daughter said, hey, there was a 322 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 7: tie last night Green Bay in Dallas. A tie? How 323 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 7: does that happen? I can't believe it a tie? So 324 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 7: I don't know. I think once in a while, different 325 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 7: is fun. 326 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: If I task you with make overtime, how you would 327 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 2: want to make it? Let's say it's different than what 328 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: it is now? Is how would you improve overtime? 329 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 7: Well, you know, the selfish person in me would want 330 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 7: them to just play sudden death, don't have a clock 331 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 7: in overtime. The problem with that is, and I very 332 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 7: much empathize with the players I am. I was dead 333 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 7: set against a seventeenth game. I am deador set against 334 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 7: an eighteenth game. It's just not fair to these players. 335 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 7: It isn't You're adding on six percent more snaps for 336 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 7: a starting player and saying, ah, there's not any more 337 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 7: injury risk. Of course there is, so I understand why 338 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 7: you don't want to add more snaps to overtime. Selfishly, 339 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 7: I would like to see it go until it ends. 340 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 7: But I don't think right now, in my opinion anyway, 341 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 7: that there's a better system than this system that there is. 342 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 7: The only way you could do it differently is to 343 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 7: have first score wins, which I think is eminently unfair. 344 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if the tush push is esthetically not pleasing. 345 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: Seeing kickers kick all these field goals is not esthetically 346 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 2: pleasing either. In my opinion, does the NFL how much 347 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: of it? Should they be worried about the glut of 348 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: kickers being so great at what they do. 349 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 7: I would be because they didn't create this game to have. 350 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 7: I mean, let's just say Dan that you're playing the 351 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 7: Dallas Cowboys and your kicker skitter's one out of bounds 352 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 7: and you get the ball. You know, the Cowboys get 353 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 7: the ball at their own forty yard line. Think about it. 354 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 7: They need ten yards to get Brandon Aubrey and field goal. 355 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 7: It's and again, let's say they get it at the 356 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 7: run it back to the twenty eight. You know, they 357 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 7: only need twenty two to twenty three yards to get 358 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 7: him in field goal range, and not just a maybe 359 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 7: field goal. He is likely to make a sixty six 360 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 7: sixty seven yard field goal, you know, in in weatherless conditions. 361 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 7: I think the one thing the NFL has to look at. 362 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 7: And you know, and I don't really cover this obviously 363 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 7: now I'm retired, but I I've been reading about how, 364 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 7: you know, some of the balls that get broken in 365 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 7: the kicking the k balls they get broken in better 366 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 7: than they did before. And they're going to have to 367 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 7: look at that to see if that is a big factor, 368 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 7: because kicking a well worn football is much better for 369 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 7: a kicker than kicking a football right out of the box. 370 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: I know you voted for the Hall of Fame. For decades, 371 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of conversation about Russell Wilson. Can 372 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: you play your way out of the Hall of Fame? Now, 373 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if you had russ in the Hall 374 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: of Fame in your opinion, but have players played their 375 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: way out of the Hall of Fame? 376 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 7: I think so, and I think coaches can coach their 377 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 7: way out of the Hall of Fame. You've got to 378 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 7: consider a guy's entire career. I think Russell Wilson was 379 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 7: a borderline quarterback for the Hall of Fame. We have 380 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 7: to remember a few things right now about the quarterback position. 381 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 7: Look at the incredible glut of strong quarterback candidates for 382 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame. I mean, I think Eli Manning 383 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 7: is a strong candidate. Matthew Stafford is going to be 384 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 7: a strong candidate, Matt Ryan is a candidate. You've got 385 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 7: a lot of people who areates, who've put up really, 386 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 7: really good numbers. What differentiates you? And now we have 387 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 7: seen Russell Wilson be disappointing in Denver, kind of get 388 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 7: run out of Pittsburgh when they needed a veteran, they 389 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 7: didn't choose to resign him. And he has, you know, 390 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 7: two out of three ignominious weeks with the Giants and 391 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 7: loses his job. It's it all has to factor in 392 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 7: Dan it would you know. I think he and again 393 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 7: we'll see. I think he's got an uphill fight, but 394 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 7: then again, his career is not over. 395 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Russ was far more consistent than Eli. 396 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: You got ten Pro Bowls back when it did mean 397 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: something to be a Pro Bowl player. 398 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 7: I'm not sure it did mean something in twenty ten 399 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 7: years ago. Dan, I don't think the Pro Bowl has 400 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 7: meant anything in twenty five years. 401 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: Okay, but he did. He was a better He's a 402 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: better regular season quarterback. His stats aren't. It's not even close. 403 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: Eli is an inch away from having one Super Bowl 404 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: with David Tyree's catch, and Russell is an inch away 405 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: with Malcolm Butler from having two Super Bowls. 406 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 8: Blah blah blah. 407 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 7: You know so what, I don't care. Could we go 408 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 7: back to the championship game in nineteen fifty eight and say, well, 409 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 7: what if Johnny Unitas hadn't made such and such a pass, 410 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 7: a miracle catch by whoever? 411 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: Raymond Berry? 412 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't. You can't act that way. In my opinion, 413 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 7: I don't think. 414 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: We're holding it against him because he lost that Super Bowl. 415 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: If you win two Super Bowls and you have his resume, 416 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer. 417 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 7: Okay, but Dan Eli Manning beat the best quarterback head 418 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 7: to head in the Super Bowl, best quarterback of all 419 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 7: time twice head to head. He beat the best coach 420 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 7: of this era, head to head in Super Bowl twice. 421 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 7: I don't care what his stats were. I don't care numbers, 422 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 7: and I understand I'm not saying he's a walk in 423 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 7: Hall of Famer, But what I'm saying is, at the 424 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 7: biggest moments, how about Eli Manning going into Green Bay 425 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 7: when it's nine hundred below zero and beating a team 426 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 7: that is used to playing like that in that a lot, 427 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 7: beating Brett Farv in overtime, and you know, look, I 428 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 7: think Eli Manning. I in my opinion, I'd vote for 429 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 7: Eli Manning, And I'll tell you why, because at the 430 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 7: biggest moments of his career he produced. And You're right, 431 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 7: his regular season record, a lot of it is mediocre, 432 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 7: even though he put up huge numbers. But I am 433 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 7: more of a fan of let's not get totally hung 434 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 7: up on the numbers, especially because the numbers for quarterbacks 435 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 7: now don't mean this same thing as they used to. 436 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: But I can argue that the defensive line won that 437 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, that first one against Brady. They beat the 438 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: hell out of him. They dominated that game. 439 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 7: How about the Joe Namath Super Bowl? Did Matt Snell 440 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 7: have a much better game that day than Joe Namath, Yes, yeah, 441 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 7: and did and did the Jets defense totally snuff out 442 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 7: the vaunted Colts offense. 443 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, But Joe. 444 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 7: Namath was drafted by the New York Jets, was you know, 445 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 7: chose the AFL over the NFL. And he had the 446 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 7: signature one of the great wins in history, and he 447 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 7: predicted it was going to happen. And so I understand 448 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 7: what you're saying. 449 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: But that's not enough to put him in the Hall 450 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 2: of Fame. I don't think Namath had Hall of Fame numbers. 451 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: He didn't. 452 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 7: That doesn't matter. He had Hall of Fame impact in 453 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 7: a Hall of Fame impact, huge, huge impact. Oh, I 454 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 7: understand the ara, and I think it's it's more I'm 455 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 7: not one of these guys. I just of course, you 456 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 7: look at his numbers. You look at Ken Stabler's numbers. 457 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 7: You know you're gonna say, geez, that's fairly mediocre. You're 458 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 7: judging it in a different thing. How about Joe Namath 459 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 7: thrown for four thousand yards in a fourteen game season. 460 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 7: That is incredible in those days. So I'm only saying 461 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 7: I'm not I don't think you can say that. Well, 462 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 7: Joe Nama didn't have Hall of Fame numbers. No Craps Sherlock. 463 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 7: I see the numbers too, but he had Hall of 464 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 7: Fame impact. 465 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 2: Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. 466 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 7: Okay, don't I don't. 467 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: Did he have did he? 468 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 7: Did he do what Joe Namath did? Yeah? 469 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he beat he won the Super Bowl. He didn't 470 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: do no guarantee sixties. He didn't know one. 471 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 7: No one in the sixties did what Joe Namath did 472 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 7: for the sport of pro football. No one, no one, 473 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 7: And so in my opinion, he absolutely belongs in the 474 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 7: Hall of Fame. Was Joe was Len Dawson? A better quarterback? 475 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 7: Was Darryl Lemonica? 476 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 6: Was? 477 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 7: You know, I'm not. I don't really care. I mean, 478 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 7: I just don't care. 479 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 8: I like you fired up? 480 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: Do you want to get right? 481 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 9: Dan? 482 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: Who do you? 483 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 8: Dan? 484 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 7: Who do you like? 485 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 8: Tonight? 486 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 2: With the Red Sox in the games, Red Sox the Eggs. Well, here, 487 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: since I'm talking to you, I'll take the Red Sox now. 488 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 7: I mean, hey, look, they're relying on a kid who 489 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 7: started the year at a ball right. 490 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: Both of these starters, I don't think they shave. They're 491 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: only they're like twenty four years. Whatever happened to deep 492 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: pitching staffs? 493 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, starters, the whole thing has changed. It's a 494 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 7: bullpen game. I know it's a bullpen game. And I'll 495 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 7: tell you what. These two games, I don't know. I 496 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 7: got it. I'll tell you something. Both these teams, I 497 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 7: don't know how they get to the park and don't 498 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 7: just pour themselves into their chair and say, geez, I 499 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 7: need a nap. I mean these games, just to watch 500 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 7: them have taken a ton of it. I mean they've 501 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 7: they've really been fun. This has been good for baseball. 502 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: What were you doing forty seven years. 503 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 7: Ago, forty seven years ago today? Yes, I was with 504 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 7: my good friend Tony Grossi of the Post, the student 505 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 7: newspaper at Ohio University. We skipped class that day and 506 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 7: at two o'clock in the afternoon, we walked into the Union, 507 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 7: the nice little bar on campus, and we asked the 508 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 7: guy to put it on I think ABC, right, put 509 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 7: the TV on ABC, and we watched the Yankees and 510 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 7: Bucky Bleeping Dent win that game, and the class we 511 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 7: skipped news writing and editing. We were seniors. The professor 512 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 7: of the class came in midway through the game. At 513 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 7: the end of the class and he just said, yeah, 514 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 7: you guys are in trouble. But he knew that we 515 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 7: were going to be there, and we watched the game. 516 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 7: It was a lot of fun. 517 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 2: Don't be a stranger, Pete. You know something bothers you 518 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: get you fired up, you let me know. 519 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 7: Thank you, Dan, really appreciate your reaching out. 520 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: That's Peter King, Hall of Fame NFL writer. 521 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 522 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 523 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen. 524 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: Live Thursday Night football companying the baseball Today and Tonight. Now, 525 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: Michaels will be on the call with Kirk Herbstreak and 526 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: it's an NFC West matchup. It's the Niners and the 527 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 2: Rams kicking off at SOFI at eight point fifteen Eastern 528 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: on Prime Video. Home game for you. 529 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 8: Dano, nothing better than a home game. 530 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 9: You're kidding, you know, get I get per diem and 531 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 9: I get mileage. 532 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 8: It's perfect. Man. 533 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: Is there a stadium though that if you look back 534 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: or you go to and you go that's the best 535 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: place to call a game. And then the stadium where 536 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 2: you go that's the worst place to call game. 537 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 9: Well, you know, Kansas City was built like in nineteen 538 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 9: seventy one or two Arrowhead and they built it vertically 539 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 9: and we shit right over the field, I mean at 540 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 9: the fifty yard line. 541 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 8: It's perfect. 542 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 9: That's a game that I could actually call with the 543 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 9: naked eye and not even have to look at the monitor. 544 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 9: So far is really good. The newer stadiums, you're a 545 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 9: little bit higher. They're all pretty good. The worst of 546 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 9: all time, of all time, and of course it was 547 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 9: the worst stadium of all time, as well as Candlestick 548 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 9: Park in San Francisco. It was cold, it was windy, 549 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 9: you know. I did the Giants for three years and 550 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 9: then but calling football, you were in a press box 551 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 9: that was so high. One night, I said, I think 552 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 9: on Monday night foot. I said, it's the only place 553 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 9: where you look down on the blimp. 554 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 8: That was the worst. 555 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: Did you ever have all time? Did you ever have fog? 556 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 8: And so everything? 557 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 9: You know, when I was doing the Giants and they 558 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 9: were Moribun franchise, and they had chapter eleven and that 559 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 9: a man named bobb Leery no relation to Jeff came 560 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 9: in and saved the team in nineteen seventy six. But 561 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 9: it was so bad at Candlestick that one night they 562 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 9: handed me a slip of paper with the attendance figure. 563 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 9: We had an intern, his name was Larry Behar, who 564 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 9: was not the president of the team, and he was 565 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 9: an intern in the press box, and he gave me 566 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 9: a slip of paper and I looked at and I went, 567 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 9: you know what tonight's attendance. 568 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 8: Why don't I just tell you who's here? 569 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 9: Jim McAlpine have come in from Little Valley, Harvey Fluki 570 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 9: and has come up from San Joseana station wagon with 571 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 9: the dog. Those were the days my friend and I 572 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 9: had left oft forget. I had left the Cincinnati Reads, 573 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 9: the Big Red Machine because simply, you know, obviously it 574 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 9: was a money grab. I mean, the Giants were going 575 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 9: to triple my salary, so what was I supposed to do? 576 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 9: But that's crazy, since you and I, you know, I 577 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 9: announced the Reds, and you grew up in the area 578 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 9: and loved the Reds. 579 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 8: So I'm listening to the game the other night. 580 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 9: The last time I'd forgotten, the last time the Reds 581 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 9: won a playoff series nineteen ninety five. 582 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 8: I did it. I did it. 583 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 9: They beat the Dodgers in the divisional round and have 584 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 9: not won a postseason series since. 585 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 8: What's going on? 586 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: What about the I brought up the Big Red Machine. 587 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: I think it's the best National League lineup that I 588 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: can remember. You called those games with the Big Red Machine, 589 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: and I'm probably biased because I was there all the 590 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: time and got to listen to you call those games. 591 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: But is there a National League team that would compare 592 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: to them? 593 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 8: I can't think of one. 594 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 9: I mean, look, you were there, you know as a kid, 595 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 9: I'm announcing those games. I mean you have Pete Rose 596 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 9: in his prime, Johnny Bench entering his prime, Tony Perez 597 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 9: in his prime, Joe Morgan getting traded over in his prime, 598 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 9: Day eighty conception on his prime, Sparky Anderson Hall of 599 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 9: Fame manager. I can't think of any team that, you know, 600 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 9: I'm sure there have been through the years some that 601 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 9: people would say, hey, listen, they compared to that, But 602 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 9: I can't think of one. In my last year, the 603 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 9: nineteen seventy three, you know, we call up our top 604 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 9: guy from the farm system. His name happened to be 605 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 9: Ken Griffy Senior, who's kid had a pretty good career 606 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 9: as well. 607 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: But if you were going to call, I'm going to 608 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: give you your pick of any sport to call. 609 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 9: Well, I used to love baseball. I mean I built 610 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 9: my career around baseball. I love baseball. I've been removed 611 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 9: from it. I haven't done a game since the nineteen 612 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 9: ninety five World Series Atlanta against Cleveland. So obviously I've 613 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 9: been now involved with you know, football prime time. This 614 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 9: is the fortieth year of doing primetime football between Monday night, 615 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 9: Sunday night, Thursday night. I'll go to you know, if 616 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 9: I live long enough, I'll do it like a Wednesday 617 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 9: three am. 618 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 8: So you know, right now, it's it's all about football 619 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 8: for me. 620 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 9: You know, hockey is you know, obviously the centerpiece and 621 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 9: uh that's the most relevant thing that you know, happened 622 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 9: to me in my career obviously with Lake Placid. 623 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 8: But hockey is a hard game to call, A rough game. 624 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 9: I mean, it's it's so fast and and you know, 625 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 9: obviously I have such great respect for the guys like 626 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 9: you know, Mike Emrick, who who did it for years. 627 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 9: That's that's that's the toughest game to call. But as 628 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 9: a fan, I think, you know, I love hockey. I 629 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 9: love it I think king season tickets for thirty three years. 630 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 9: Season starts next week. 631 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: But being locked in on a game where you have 632 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: to call, you're constantly calling the action. Whereas baseball you 633 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 2: can let it breathe, football you can let it breathe. 634 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 2: Hockey you can't let it breathe. 635 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 9: Yeah no, And you know TV and radio are pretty 636 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 9: much the same. You almost have to do the same 637 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 9: coal that you did on radio. On television there's very 638 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 9: little spacing there and it's a it's it's a great 639 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 9: little back and forth between the play man and the 640 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 9: analyst in hockey because the analyst has to pick his foss. 641 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 9: He has to know exactly when to come in. And 642 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 9: on that note, I mean, I just have to shout 643 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 9: out to the late Ken Dryden who passed away, you 644 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 9: know in the past month, who was my partner in 645 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 9: Lake Placid, and you know, in the middle of the 646 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 9: Olympics for calling seven games including obviously the Soviet game 647 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 9: and the victory over Finland that since the gold medal, 648 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 9: and Kenny had never done, he'd never done announcing in 649 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 9: his life. He has just retired from the Montreal Canadians 650 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 9: after winning six Stanley Cups something five as in the Trophies. 651 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 9: It was unbelievable. He had to pick his foss, get 652 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 9: in and out in eight seconds. It was a tough 653 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 9: thing to do when he did it. 654 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 2: Talking to al Michaels will be on the call Thursday 655 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: Night Football on Prime Video with Herbie and that will 656 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,959 Speaker 2: start at eight fifteen Eastern. But working with somebody else, 657 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: I mean, there's chemistry, synchronicity. But how do you how 658 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 2: do you suggest to your analyst, don't go as long 659 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: as you're going, because I still have to get I 660 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: have to set up the play. How do you do 661 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: that in a professional manner? 662 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 9: Well, I think I've been lucky through the years because 663 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 9: when I started doing Monday Night, Frank Gifford had done 664 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 9: it for a lot of years, and then we added 665 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 9: Dan Dierdorf for in nineteen eighty seven, and Dan had 666 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 9: had done a lot of broadcasting in Saint Louis. So, 667 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 9: you know, the guys that I worked with are guys 668 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 9: that have had a lot of experiences. Obviously, when I 669 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 9: had John Madden in two thousand and two through two 670 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 9: thousand and eight, he understood top to bottom. Chris Collinsworth 671 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 9: had had a lot of experience. I mean the only 672 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 9: and I also had Dan Fouts for two years, but 673 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 9: I had Dan with Dennis Miller. Now that was that 674 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 9: was tricky. But Dennis was so smart, you know, he 675 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 9: kind of figured out how to how to pull that 676 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 9: thing off. But those were I got to tell you, 677 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 9: those were two wild years. If you remember on Monday 678 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 9: Night football with Fouts and then do. 679 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: The Howard Cosell relationship, how would you sum that up 680 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 2: of working with somebody who was you know, there's been 681 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: nobody like him since, but dealing with somebody who had 682 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 2: an ego that he thought he was probably more important 683 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 2: than anybody else who was playing in a game. 684 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 9: Well, I did a lot of baseball with Howard in 685 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 9: the seventies and into the eighties. It was a lot 686 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 9: of fun at first. I got to say, I mean, 687 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 9: the one thing about working with Kohell is you knew 688 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 9: you would always come away with the story. 689 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 8: And I've got a million of them, right. 690 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 9: And Howard was He was fun to work with to 691 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 9: a degree early on, and he got toward the end 692 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 9: of his career in life just became bitter and it 693 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 9: became very, very. 694 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 8: Difficult to work with him. 695 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 9: In like nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five and finally, 696 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 9: you know, that was the end of Howard's broadcasting career. 697 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 9: So you know, at first when you know, like in 698 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 9: the seventies and early eighties, and it did a couple 699 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 9: of world series with him as well. He he was 700 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 9: fun and as I say, I go home and have 701 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 9: you know, five stories from the night before. And then 702 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 9: after that it was he did you know, he just 703 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 9: grew tired of like everything at the end. 704 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 8: So it wasn't a pleasant departure. 705 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 2: You never got close to Fistokovs like Brent Musburger with 706 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: Jimmy the Greek. 707 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 9: No, no, not at all. No, he wouldn't have been 708 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 9: able to handle them. At the end of my right 709 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 9: before yeah, I left Jem you know what. 710 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 2: I tell you, you would have thought that would have 711 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 2: helped him. 712 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 8: I would have pulled his stupe off first. 713 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 2: You know, do you want to do one more baseball game, 714 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: one more hockey game? 715 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 8: No? No, not really because uh. 716 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 9: With baseball, I mean, I've been out of him for 717 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 9: thirty years then, so I'm you know, beyond rusty. And 718 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 9: I used to know obviously when I was doing baseball, 719 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 9: we knew everybody. Now I you know, I watched the 720 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 9: All Star Game this year. I knew like six guys, 721 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 9: seven guys. But I will say this, man, I do 722 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 9: love postseason baseball all of a sudden. I mean it's 723 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 9: it's great. I mean, you know, totally immersed in it already. 724 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 9: So postseason baseball is as good as it gets. And 725 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 9: just you know, it's in October, just the way, just 726 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 9: the way the sun is. You know, we watch the 727 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 9: day games and the shadows and the whole thing. It's 728 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 9: I don't want to say it's romantic, but I mean 729 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 9: it's it's really it's very it's very very cool. 730 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 8: I miss it. Where do you part they miss for sure? 731 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 2: Where do you stand on overtime in the NFL? 732 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 9: I think they should go back to fifteen minutes. I 733 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 9: think it's okay for a game to end and to tie. 734 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 9: And when it went when it was fifteen minutes, it did. 735 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 9: But the ten minute thing is is you know somebody 736 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 9: obviously the other team can get the ball. Now they've 737 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 9: changed that rule, so each team is going to get 738 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 9: in no matter what the first team does. If they 739 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 9: score a touchdown, the other team is going to get 740 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 9: an opportunity. But they may only have two minutes, so 741 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 9: you know, you might have an eight minute drive. So 742 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 9: I think I don't know why they went to the 743 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 9: ten minute thing. I think maybe to reduce injuries. But 744 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 9: you know, I mean, what's the difference at a certain 745 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 9: point whether the game seventy minutes or seventy five minutes? 746 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 8: You got the only thing I would change, I'd go 747 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 8: back to fifteen. 748 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 2: You got the Rams and the Niners, and here you 749 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 2: got the Niners. A lot of interchangeable parts here. How 750 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 2: does that change your approach tonight broadcasting doing play by play? 751 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 8: Well, I mean the Niners are star crossed. I mean 752 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 8: last year six and eleven because of all of the injuries, 753 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 8: and here we go again. Brock Perdy is not playing tonight. 754 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 8: George Kittle is is still an injury reserve. They're two 755 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 8: top receivers Pearsol and Jenny's are out. They've got you know, 756 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 8: I mean, DeMarcus Robinson or Marcus Valdez Scamming are two 757 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 8: of their guys that are going to, you know, be 758 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 8: the receivers tonight. Kittle's out, They've got a rookie left guard. 759 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 9: They've got Mac Jones starting, but he's won two games 760 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 9: for them already, so, I mean the Niners are They're 761 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 9: just a mass unit right now, but you know, it's 762 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 9: the National Football League and anything had happened. Meanwhile, the 763 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 9: you know, the Rams look great. I mean, the Rams 764 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 9: are definitely a Super Bowl contender. We were talking in 765 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 9: our meeting last night about the offense. You've got Stafford, 766 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 9: You've got Kyrien Williams, one of the best backs in 767 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 9: the league. Puka Nakua is over the moon. I mean, 768 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 9: this guy is phenomenal. They got Devonte Adams. Higbee is 769 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 9: a tight end. He's out tonight. They built you know, 770 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 9: they built their team dan around the defensive line. What 771 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 9: they've done with that defensive line, with the Verse and 772 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 9: Fisk and the other guys that they brought in and drafted. 773 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 8: They did what the. 774 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 9: Niners did in the late nineties with John Lynch and 775 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 9: Excoose me nothing that the late nineties, but like in 776 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 9: the late teens in twenty eighteen nineteen in that area, 777 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 9: they went to two Super Bowls by building that defensive 778 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,240 Speaker 9: line around both and the other guys. 779 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 8: Now they have none of those guys. 780 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 9: And the Rams have morphed into what the forty nine 781 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 9: Ers became on the defensive front. So, I mean the 782 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 9: Rams are a full flowed Super Bowl contender. 783 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 2: Any problem with Tom Brady being in meetings with teams 784 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 2: as a minority owner of the Raiders. 785 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 9: Not really, No, I mean you can get all the 786 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 9: information you need without necessarily being in those meetings. 787 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 8: No, I have no problem with it at all. 788 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 2: Ever been told something in the meeting that you wondered 789 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 2: if it was true? 790 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: Oh? 791 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot. But that was in the early days. 792 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,879 Speaker 8: Now the guys are much better. 793 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 9: But my favorite meeting Mike Marris's coaching the Rams when 794 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 9: they were in Saint Louis and around two thousand and 795 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 9: two or three. It's a Monday night game and we're 796 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 9: in there and Mike says to us, hey, off the record, 797 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 9: and he tells us something. And I have the Saint 798 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 9: Louis Post dispatch on the desk in front of me. 799 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 9: I said, Mike, here it is. It's on the front 800 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 9: page of the Sport Session. Off the record. 801 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 8: It became on the record. Well while we were sitting 802 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 8: here at this meeting. Yeah. Now, most most of the meetings. 803 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 9: Look, the coaches understand it now, especially the younger guys, 804 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 9: and they understand, you know, how to with the media. 805 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 9: Had to do with the you know, with the broadcast folks. 806 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 9: We were talking. 807 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 8: It's funny. 808 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,919 Speaker 9: We were talking to Kyle Shanahan yesterday on the Zoom 809 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 9: and Kyle was talking about, you know, every press conference 810 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 9: now is you know, how's this guy has that guy? 811 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 8: Is it a ligament? Is it attendant? What is it? 812 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 9: And so all of a sudden he says, you know, 813 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 9: I didn't go to medical school. I'm answering all these questions, 814 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,800 Speaker 9: which reminded me of one of my favorite stories, Doc Rivers, 815 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 9: who was my partner on the NBA back twenty years ago. 816 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 8: And Doc was coaching the Celtics. 817 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 9: Like in the eight to nine area, and I think 818 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 9: Paul Pierce had gotten hurt in a playoff game. So 819 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 9: the first five questions are about Pierce. You know, how 820 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 9: long is he out for? Is it an acl is 821 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:38,760 Speaker 9: it a ligament? 822 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 8: What is it? Blah blah blah blah blah. 823 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 9: So after five or six questions, Doc finally looks down 824 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 9: at the guy and he goes, hey, listen, He says, 825 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,959 Speaker 9: you do know, Doc is a nickname. 826 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 8: Right, So. 827 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 2: Steak before or after the game, you. 828 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 9: Know, tonight, maybe a little a couple of bytes, maybe 829 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 9: at halftime. But you know, I'll have like maybe a 830 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 9: I'll have a burger at the hotel before I go 831 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,600 Speaker 9: over there, and then some candy corn during the game, 832 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 9: and Junior mentioned and maybe maybe two or three bites 833 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 9: of a steak maybe tomorrow night. Tomorrow night, for sure, 834 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 9: Dan at Tuscana. 835 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 2: Probably, yeah, maybe you can leave some scraps for Herbie's dog. 836 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 8: Absolutely. 837 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 9: Herbie's dog's already almost one hundred pounds. 838 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 8: He's just a baby. What's going on here? 839 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 2: Crazy stuff? Matt, have fun tonight. Great to see you again. 840 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 2: Thank you about it. 841 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 8: Always always great, Dan, take him in Al. 842 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 2: Michaels Al on the call with Herbie tonight Thursday night 843 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 2: Football in Prime Video. It'll be at so FI at 844 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 2: eight point fifteen Eastern Niners and the Rams.