1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: This is the Blueberg DAYBAQ podcast, available every morning on Apple, 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Wednesday, the fourteenth of 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: May in London. I'm Caroline Hepki. 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carroll. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 4: Coming up today, the US prepares to unveil massive AI 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 4: chip deals with Gulf State as the Trump administration throws 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 4: out Biden era restrictions. 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: NATO sketches out a plan to meet President Trump's call 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: for five percent defense spending as the UK and EU 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: remain locked in talks over a common Security pact. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 4: Plus Milan moves Italy's financial capital proves to be an 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: early winner in the race to attract wealthy investors after 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 4: the UK's non domb rollback. 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 16 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 4: The United States is clearing a path for Saudi Arabia 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 4: and the United Arab Emirates to ramp up AI spending 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: as the US President uses his visit to the region 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 4: to forage deeper business ties with the Gulf States. Under 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 4: agreements expected to be unveiled in the coming days, the 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 4: nations are poised to secure broader access to advanced chips 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 4: from Nvidia and AMD, which are considered the gold standard 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 4: for running AI models. Bloomberg's executive editor for Global Tech, 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 4: Peter Alstrom, says the deals should not be understated. 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 3: This is a very big deal. 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 5: I mean, at a high level, it's a sea change 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 5: really in US policy towards some of these countries and 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 5: their access to American technologies, including AI. The Biden administration 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 5: had implemented a series of curbs on what foreign countries 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 5: could buy, especially AI chips. The most advanced ones are 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 5: made by Invidio, of course, and the Biden administration had 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 5: a very complex approach a framework that they passed the 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 5: last week in office where they under this rule called 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 5: the AI diffusion Rule, there are three tiers of different 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 5: countries who get different access to different levels of chips 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 5: under that framework. 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 6: The Trump administration has now just thrown that out else 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 6: Fro'm referring there to the Trump Administration's plan to overhaul 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 6: regulations on the global export of semiconductors used in artificial intelligence. 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 4: The move would end the Biden era approach, which had 41 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: drawn strenuous objections from US allies and companies, including Nvidia 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: and Oracle. 43 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: In read Saudi Arabia's capital. President Trump was joined by 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in hailing closer commercial relations. 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: The two touted plans for one trillion dollars in commercial deals. 46 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: The conference signage listed deals totaling just over three hundred 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: billion dollars. Earlier on Tuesday, the White House has said 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: the figure was six hundred billion dollars. Now, the one 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: trillion dollar figure roughly matches Saudi Arabia's entire gross domestic product. 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Nick Wadhams explains the details of these agreements will 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: be important. 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 7: The question here is really trying to figure out how 53 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 7: much of these commitments are just on paper and how 54 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 7: much of them are actually going to go through. That 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 7: big top line number of six hundred billion dollars that 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 7: fits with what Saudi Arabia had said it wanted to 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 7: do over the next four years and enhance trade and 58 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 7: investment with the US. 59 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: Blueberg's Nick Wadams in Washington, the White House says the 60 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: deals aimed to boost US industries in energy, defense, and tech, 61 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: as well as to provide access to key global resources. 62 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: Without giving full details. 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 4: The US President says a luxury jet offered by the 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: Katari government will be used as a temporary air Force one, 65 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 4: indicating he plans to accept the gift despite the legal 66 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: and ethical concerns. On social media, Donald Trump wrote that 67 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: only a fool would not accept the aircraft, as he 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: criticized Boeing's delays in delivering new jets for government use. 69 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: Speaking in the US Senate, Democrat minority leader Chuck Schumer 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 4: questioned the terms of the deal. 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 8: What security modifications would be needed to ensure a foreign 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 8: sourced air Force one is safe to use? If this 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 8: is as president promise a free jet, will the guitaries 74 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 8: pay for those highly sensitive installations or will American taxpayers 75 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 8: cover the cost? 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: Chuck Schimmer, speaking as The move has also sparked backlash 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: among some of the president's supporters. Commentator Ben Shapiro asked 78 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 4: how Trump photers would react if a Democrat had done this, 79 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: while far right activist Laura Lumer posted on x that 80 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 4: the gift would be a stain on the Trump administration. 81 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: NATO allies are in talks over how to boost defense 82 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: spending in a way that might answer calls from US 83 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: President Donald Trump. Bloomberg has learned that military negotiators are 84 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: discussing how countries might reach a target of five percent 85 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 2: spending five percent of GDP on defense in the long term, 86 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: bloombergs James Wilcock has more. 87 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 9: One in four NATO allies still don't spend two percent 88 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 9: of their GDP on defense, so setting a target of 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 9: five percent would be a major jump. But countries want 90 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 9: to give President Trump a win at a major NATO 91 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 9: summit this June to keep the US committed to the 92 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 9: military alliance. That these talks now are centered on how 93 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 9: countries will afford it, what counts as defense spending, and 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 9: how that target might be enforced. In London, James Wilcock Bloomberg. 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 4: Radio, the UK Defense Secretary says talks with the European 96 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 4: Union about a common defense pactor at the hardest stage. 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: Britain has been putting to join a one hundred and 98 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 4: fifty billion euro scheme for re arming Europe. In an 99 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 4: exclusive interview, John Healy tel Bloomberg, he hopes for a 100 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: deal by Monday. 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 10: The security challenges we've faced in Europe require the UK 102 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 10: and the EU to work closer together. We've been willing 103 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 10: and ready to do that, and we've said from the 104 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 10: outset that We're ready to strike an agreement if the 105 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 10: EU will do so too, so I hope we'll see 106 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 10: on Monday what the European Union has now offered as 107 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 10: a security and defense partnership struck with the UK. 108 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: The UK Defense Secretary was speaking at the London Stock 109 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 4: Exchange or He was rallying investment for defense companies. Britain 110 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 4: has committed to increasing defense spending to two and a 111 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 4: half percent of GDP by twenty twenty seven and up 112 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 4: to three percent in the next decade. 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: Ukraine's President Zelinsky says that he stands by his plan 114 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: to hold direct talks with his Russian counterpart in Turkey 115 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: on Thursday. Speaking to reporters in Kief, he said that 116 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: he expects strong US and European sanctions on Russia's energy 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: and banking sectors. If President Putin fails to show up 118 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: for the meeting, it's. 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: When that Russia is not ready for diplomacy, no time 120 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: for playing games on the technical level, and it's win only. 121 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 9: One thing that we need to be more strong, unite 122 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 9: and tough on them. 123 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: Vladimir Lensky, speaking there as Bloomberg reported that the US 124 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: has a sanctions package ready to go should President Trump 125 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: require it. Meanwhile, Russia's deputy foreign minister said that the 126 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: Kremlin is ready for serious talks in Istanbul, without confirming 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: whether Putin would attend. 128 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: The UK's markets watchdog plans to relax rules on how 129 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 4: insurers sell policies to large companies. The Financial Conduct Authority 130 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 4: says the market could benefit from a simpler, more straightforward 131 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: system that reduces cost and encourages competition. The proposed changes 132 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: include reducing review frequencies, giving flexibility and appointing lead insurers, 133 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 4: and eliminating duplicative reporting and training requirements. According to Lloyd's 134 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: of London, the Capital's insurance market is the biggest global 135 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: hub for commercial and specialty risk sourcing, over ninety one 136 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 4: billion dollars in premiums annually. 137 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: And those are some of our top stories for you 138 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: this morning. Let's get to the markets. Agent tech stocks 139 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: gaining head of earningstorm alibarbar and Tencent, China's most valuable company. 140 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: Chip makers are gaining on plans form Nvidia an AMD 141 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: to invest in Saudi Arabia artificial intelligence, and in Vidia's 142 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: shares up eleven point eight percent in two sessions to 143 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: a ten week high. US benchmarket stock indexes erased their 144 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five losses as of yesterday, but Europeans stop 145 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: futures this morning are in the red, down two tenths 146 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: of one percent. US everty contracts inching just a little 147 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: bit higher, treasuries little changed at four forty seven in 148 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: terms of ten year yields, and the dollar. On Monday, 149 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: we saw the move in the Bloomberg Dollar Spot Index, 150 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: the best single day rally since the election of President 151 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: Trump in November, but the dollar broadly week at this 152 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: morning down a tenth of one percent. Those are the markets. 153 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: In a moment. 154 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 4: We'll bring you more on Donald Trump's trip to the 155 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 4: Middle East, plus why Italy's planned to lower London's wealthy 156 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: non darms is paying off from Milan. 157 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: But we also usually have a book review for this 158 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: sporting I like this look. 159 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Pursuits covers everything for you, and they've highlighted a 160 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: new biography that I just think is fascinating. I've got 161 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: to read it. Claire mccardal, the designer who set Women Free. 162 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Evitts Dickinson, has written this biography, and she's written 163 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: about the biography for us on Bloomberg, So just to 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: kind of give us a taser if you don't know 165 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: this name in fashion, she is a totally fascinating woman. 166 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: She created basically casual women's clothing, the whole of American 167 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 2: women's fashion in the nineteen thirties and forties. 168 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 4: But the story also was fascinating because of the time 169 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: period that it traces back, so from pre war where 170 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: Claire McCardell came up with this idea of making fashion 171 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: essentially more functional for women, tracing it through the war period, 172 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: and how she was able to popularize this as America, 173 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 4: you know, became more wealthy as there was greater, for example, travel, 174 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 4: trying to create clothes that were functional for travel as well. 175 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 4: It's such an interesting doctor position with the conversations we're 176 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: having now about how people are dressing in the workplace, 177 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: you know, as people came back from the pandemic and 178 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: had to get back into struggle back into their suits. 179 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: Not that I'm speaking of press some experience. 180 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: Yes, look, if you are getting ready in your separates, 181 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: in your trousers or your skirt, your top and your 182 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: jacket to get into the office. Well, of course Claire 183 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: mccardal was the person who created that for women have 184 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: a read about it. We'll put a link in our 185 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 2: show notes to that story. 186 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 4: Well, President Trump's trip to the Middle East paved the 187 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 4: way for the AI future for Saudi Arabia and the 188 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 4: unitedarob Emirates with chip deals for US tech companies Nvidia, 189 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 4: AMD and many others joining us. Now for more from 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 4: riad is Boomberg TV's Horizons Middle Eastern Africa anchor Jamana Barsaccia. 191 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: So we've had day one of the trip already and 192 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 4: a huge neede of artificial intelligence and other deals. 193 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: So many deals announced. I've got to say I was 194 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: in the room yesterday when both the Crown Prince muhamm't 195 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: Binsentman and President Trump were speaking, and the feeling was 196 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: quite electric. Both certainly know how to play to the crowd, 197 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: and as we had anticipated, lots of deals, plenty of 198 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: agreements and MOUs signed between the two countries. At the 199 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: headline figure that the White House released ahead of that 200 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: speech was six hundred billion dollars in investment pledges had 201 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: been agreed to between the both sides, though later on 202 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: the Crown Prince said that they are looking to increase 203 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: that number to one trillion dollars. There's some question marks 204 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: as to how we're going to get there with the 205 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: state of Saudi finances. But in terms of other deals, 206 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: three hundred billion dollars worth of commercial agreements were were 207 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: well agreed to, essentially at this Saudi US business farm 208 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: that was taking place in parallel to President Trump's meetings yesterday, 209 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: and some of them include AI. As you mentioned, a 210 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: massive deal between Nvidia AMD and the Saudi AI investment 211 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: firm HUMANE which was announced this week, and they're going 212 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: to be providing some high end chips to power the 213 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: AI centers in the Middle East and within specifically Saudi Arabia. 214 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: On this point, but on the back of that, you 215 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: did see a big rally and makers on that news. 216 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: It came as a bit of a surprise, especially because 217 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: it means that the Trump administration is watering down some 218 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: of those chip export controls. We also had a massive 219 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: defense deal announcement. The White House said it was the 220 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: largest in history, one hundred and forty two billion dollars worth, 221 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: as Saudi Arabia pledging to buy more arms and weapons 222 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: from the US. We had an MoU and the energy space. 223 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: We also had an announcement from an aviation leasing company owned 224 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: by Discumern Weal Funds. They're looking to buy about thirty 225 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: Boeing seven three seven jets, so plenty on the commercial front, 226 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: and of course many industry leaders were there as well, including. 227 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: The likes of Elon Musk Gosh, it must have been 228 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: fascinating to be in that room and to see it Jumana. 229 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: But yes, as you say, disagreement about exactly how much 230 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: money this is really going to equate to. There's also 231 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: another issue though, that I want to touch on, what 232 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: is the view in the Gulf nations amongst all of 233 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: those people that perhaps you were talking to when it 234 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: comes to the gift of a Katari luxury jet to 235 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: serve as a new presidential plane. 236 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Now, I will tell you almost everyone I've spoken to 237 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: is slightly frustrated that this news came out because it 238 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: took a lot of attention away from some of the 239 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: other big deals that they were planning on announcing this week. 240 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of controversy about the 241 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: story that came out over the weekend. It raises a 242 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: lot of legal and ethical questions as to whether or 243 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: not the US president can actually accept a gift of 244 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: this monetary value from a foreign government, and technically under 245 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: the constitution they're not allowed to accept a gift without 246 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: congressional approval, so definitely raises some legal questions. President Trump 247 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: has confirmed that the Kataris have made this jet as 248 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: a gift offer, but also as one of a temporary nature. 249 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: The Kataris have said that it's still in discussion phase 250 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: and if they were to offer it, it would just 251 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: be a loan as opposed to an outright gift. And 252 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: then the Trump administration has said that ultimately it would 253 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: end up being a part of the Presidential Library or 254 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: gifted to the Defense Ministry. So still all of that 255 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: is going on in the background. Of course, President Trump 256 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: will be making his way to Doha later this afternoon 257 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: and over there expect more deals as well, and perhaps 258 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: a little bit more focused as well on the regional 259 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: security front, because today in Riots he's going to be 260 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: presiding over a GCC leader's summit. Unclear exactly which leaders 261 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: will be present, but we can expect more headlines today 262 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: about the geopolitical focus of the Trump administration as opposed 263 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: to pure deals coming out of riod Okay. 264 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: Jimini Versacchi House of Boomberg TV's Horizons Middle Eastern Africa. 265 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us from read now. 266 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: It's only been six weeks since the UK's non dom 267 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 2: tax regime ended. It gave wealthy individuals favorable tax treatment 268 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: for overseas earnings. Now Italy is proving an early winner 269 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: in the race to attract all those wealthy investors from 270 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: the UK, and Bloomberg's Ultra a Wealth reporter Benz Supers 271 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: joins us now to discuss this. You've been reporting on 272 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: this Good Morning, Ben. The Italians have a name for 273 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: the plan. I'm not going to attempt it because of 274 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: my Italian's rubbish and what are they offering people who 275 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: move there? 276 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: I'll haven we go, Caroline. 277 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 11: It's Fort Londra, which translates into English as Empty London. 278 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: That's I guess. 279 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 11: It's not the official name, but it's certainly known in 280 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 11: private wealth circles there, and crucially it's actually almost a 281 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 11: copy and paste of what Britain offered to Italy has 282 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 11: offered this. It's not brand new, they've offered it since 283 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 11: twenty seventeen, but at the time it was very much 284 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 11: sort of a deliberate attempt to copy what Britain has 285 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 11: offered for more than two centuries, which is tax breaks 286 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 11: on local earnings and income, tax breaks on overseas earning 287 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 11: and income. And now that's really attractive if you're a 288 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 11: global elite earning millions and millions of whatever currents you're 289 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 11: earning from a global portfolio, and you can be based 290 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 11: in an attractive jurisdiction. So that's the irony here that 291 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 11: Italy is actually attracting a lot of individuals based on 292 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 11: copying very much what Britain has offered, and England and 293 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 11: Britain getting rid of it last month has turbo charged 294 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 11: that program for Milan and Italy more broadly. 295 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 4: So how well is this working? Who's moving to Milan, Stephen? 296 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 11: We've got everyone from former CEOs of EMI Music to 297 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 11: billionaire entrepreneurs like the likes of v Nasev Sawiris, Egypt's 298 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 11: richest person, a co owner of the Premier League football 299 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 11: team aston Villa, and in between that there are members 300 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 11: of dynastic fortunes moving as well. So what we're seeing 301 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 11: here is a whole spe spectrum of what we would 302 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 11: call London's billionaire economy. Me relocating upping sticks from London 303 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 11: typically to Milan typically, and you can imagine of course 304 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 11: that they're also bringing with them their families. These are 305 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 11: all individuals in their typically in their fifties sixties, they're 306 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 11: at that stage of life when they've got kids normally, 307 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 11: and you can imagine that sort of the ripple effects 308 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 11: of this are going to spread across the UK, the 309 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 11: fact that they're not here anymore. 310 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: Yes, so is Milan booming? Then what does it mean 311 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: for the Italian economy? Maybe overall? It's probably it's not 312 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: just Milan, as you say, maybe Rome too, But what 313 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: does it mean for Italy overalls? 314 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 11: What's really interesting here is that it's not just the 315 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 11: individuals now moving on the back of that. We're seeing there, 316 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 11: for example, private members clubs opening up in Milan. We're 317 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 11: seeing luxury hotels thinking oh, you know what, maybe we 318 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 11: should boost our presence there as well. And some of 319 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 11: the top city of London law firms like Charles Russell Speechley, 320 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 11: as we report today in our piece Thereso, they've also 321 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 11: recently opened up offices there in Milan. So what we're 322 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 11: seeing here is the whole ecosystem that London has curated 323 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 11: really carefully. I would say, certainly, over the last century 324 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 11: we've created that ecosystem, the private wealth ecosystem across Mayfair, Chelsea, Knightsbridge, 325 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 11: you name it, and now that whole space is seeing 326 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 11: a similar opportunity in Milan. It will be interesting to 327 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 11: see how the local population increasingly understands and responds to this. 328 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 11: Is it going to increase local housing prices? For example, 329 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 11: as the housing market turns red hot that's often been 330 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 11: a criticism in London, and non dorms have pushed up 331 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 11: housing prices. So I think in some ways this is 332 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 11: really good for Milan. But it'll be very interesting to 333 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 11: see how this develops as an increasing number of typically 334 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 11: previously UK residents end up living in Milano. 335 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, perhaps a boom also for Italian lessons for a 336 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: lot of these people as well. I mean, where is 337 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: Milan competing with ben You've reported on this story extensively. 338 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 4: Where else are they choosing when it comes to locations 339 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 4: outside the UK? 340 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, it all depends on the individual. But yeah, you're right, Stephen. 341 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 11: There are some other sort of European wealth hubs within Europe. 342 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: We've got Greece. 343 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 11: They've actually they've actually taken a similar route to Italy 344 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 11: and created a similar regime to what the UK has 345 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 11: offered for the last two centuries, and another fifteen year regime, 346 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 11: another fifty year regime that allows tax breaks on your 347 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 11: overseas earnings and income. But more broadly, we've got we've 348 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 11: got Monaco, that's sort of I would say that the 349 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 11: long the long held tax haven in Europe. That sort 350 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 11: of that's that's always been known as that. But more 351 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 11: broadly as well, you know, going further than Europe, we've 352 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 11: got the Middle East that's really making a concerted effort 353 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 11: to court some of the world's rich. That's Abidabi Dubai. 354 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 11: So that is why I would say other sort of 355 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 11: the main rivals right now. And Switzerland is always sort 356 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 11: of known as Switzerland's always in the pack. It isn't, 357 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 11: it doesn't almost doesn't. 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