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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey, Hey, Hey, it's Wednesday. Guess

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Speaker 1: what day it is. I don't mean that it's Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: It's MK Wednesday. It's a post Francis and Ghanu PFL

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Speaker 1: News Wednesday. It's a big Wednesday here for the show.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, My name is Luke Thomas. Welcome to Morning

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Speaker 1: Combat episode whatever I think four forty two, Yes for

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Speaker 1: forty two, on this great seventeenth of May twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: And of course, as you can see on screen, I

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Speaker 1: am merely one half of your hosting duel. But I

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Speaker 1: join you from the capital of the Status and Needles

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Speaker 1: right here in Washington, d C. Joined by a man

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Speaker 1: who's got the kind of gear on that makes me

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Speaker 1: look makes him look like he cheers for second and

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Speaker 1: third tier English soccer teams. It's Brian Campbell. What's out,

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am the ted Lasso of MMA in many ways,

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Speaker 2: if that's the direction that you were heading, Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 2: But I got my Chuck Mindenhall inspired and purchased, you know,

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Speaker 2: midlife crisis hat. So I'm excited to be here at

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Speaker 2: age forty four. And what a day. Not just Francis, Luke, Hey,

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Speaker 2: the BMF title is back in the UFC drop like announcements.

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Speaker 2: Good timing, right, I didn't see that coming at all.

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Speaker 2: But what it's time to be alive and Luke, separate

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Speaker 2: from all this MMA and the great the great guest

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have at twelve thirty pm Eastern, which is

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Speaker 2: Extreme Couture's own Eric Nixon, coach of Francis and Gan

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Speaker 2: who friend of the program, once showed us his ball

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Speaker 2: bag during a live broadcast from London. If you were

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Speaker 2: call on your phone. This is also Hainy Lomachenko week.

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Speaker 2: So for all my boxing heads out there, all the

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Speaker 2: people that get down since day one, Luke, this is

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Speaker 2: a fight on Saturday, A freakin' fight. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Are you feeling what I or am I masturbating solo

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Speaker 2: at the moment, Luke, are you feeling it?

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Speaker 1: You're doing a little bit of uh, you know, just

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Speaker 1: rubbing your crotch up against the walls of the bus stop.

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Speaker 1: But we'll allow it for today because it is a

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Speaker 1: special occasion, as you indicated, So as BC said, twelve

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Speaker 1: thirty pm East Coast times about an hour and a half,

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Speaker 1: coach of Extreme Coutur and a coach of Francis Senganu,

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Speaker 1: Eric Nixon's going to be here. Part of what this

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Speaker 1: big story is, of course, b see, is that Francis

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Speaker 1: is not going to return till twenty twenty four. We'll

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Speaker 1: some big implications for him as a fighter and what

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Speaker 1: twelve thirty. We're going to get to full reactions with

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Speaker 1: other clips and whatnot related to Francis speaking with our

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Speaker 1: a whole Wani yesterday. We'll play some of that here

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Speaker 1: on today's show and react to it. As BC indicator,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about UFC twoey one and two two, and

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Speaker 1: then of course UFC Vegas seventy three actually is happening

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Speaker 1: later on this week with some fight announcements. Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Fans ubs two at the end, Hey thumbs up here

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Speaker 1: for watching on YouTube. Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah. On YouTube,

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Speaker 1: to do that. And Lukey, I feel like it's a

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, if it's a big show, then we got

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Speaker 2: to share big news. Can we talk about the bum

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Speaker 2: that's in the UFC Strawweight oven and congratulate the warrior

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Speaker 2: Princess jayannev Listmas on pregnancy? Luke, is that something you

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Speaker 2: were willing to do? Or should we just keep calling?

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Speaker 1: Hey? Topic number one? All right, here we go, BC,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. I will pitch it right to you.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, okay, people could have nice lives

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Speaker 2: and like, you know, build a family. What's your issue

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Speaker 2: with that? Wow?

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Speaker 1: All right, you know what my issue is with that?

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Speaker 1: right now, BCE Topic number one. Francis and Ganu has

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Speaker 2: This is about Francis looking at the way the business

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Speaker 2: And what Francis has endured in the past four months

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Speaker 2: you know, debunked a lot of that. I can't believe it,

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Speaker 2: Like the whole. Francis is greedy, yet he gave up

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Speaker 2: eight million to fight John Jones in a two fight series, right,

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Speaker 2: Francis is selfish, even though the platform that he's trying

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Speaker 2: Francis is stupid and he missed the window. He was

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Speaker 2: Luke first and foremost, I won't go ten minutes deep,

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk about that because that's the other half

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Speaker 2: what is it, Luke? Do they just not want to

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Speaker 1: It's just really funny to me, like half the people

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Speaker 1: not have been more wrong. You should do some inventoring

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Speaker 1: what I mean. What I mean to say is we

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Speaker 1: We have two segments on this show Dead Wrong where

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Speaker 1: Francis is not entitled to glowing, super praiseworthy coverage. No

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Speaker 1: And also I expect you know that you might be

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Speaker 2: I want to move up to heavyweight until you make

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00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: it worth it for me. What was the immediate fallout

432
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: of that. Guys like Attasania suddenly lockdown quote record breaking

433
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: contracts right after France is doing this in the long

434
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 2: run will actually end up helping so many of his

435
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 2: ex UFCCO patriots. Yet all of them keep talking publicly

436
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 2: about how he made the wrong move.

437
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, See, we got to get to

438
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 1: some of these clips. We are going to talk about

439
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 1: what this means for PFL in great detail, but we

440
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: got to get through some of these clips because I

441
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: just I want to see these, So let's go sort

442
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 1: of go through here again. I want to just remind

443
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: everyone how many news cycles our laundered promoter either untruths

444
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: or sketchy statements at best that just get repeated without

445
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: any verification. People run with it, and then all of

446
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: a sudden they say, you know, Francis is doing poorly.

447
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: Here is Francis from MMA Hours with every Holwana yesterday

448
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,239
Speaker 1: talking about what happened with BKFC hit it.

449
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: I just think he assumed that I'm so expensive, obviously

450
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 3: because he has to take a loan of his house

451
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 3: to put on the show. Then I think he assumed

452
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: that that loan couldn't pay me because I never spoked

453
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 3: to him.

454
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 4: My team never spoked to him.

455
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: And then when I saw it coming, I'm like, where's

456
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: this guy coming from?

457
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 4: Then I checked my phone. I called my team.

458
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, do somebody talk with this guy that I

459
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: don't I'm not aware of, And everyone checked his message room.

460
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, we just saw this and they're checking.

461
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm like no, we haven't talked to these guys, so

462
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 3: I don't know where he came from. So that's even

463
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: why I didn't talk about it. I'm like, this guy

464
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: is just a joke. He's but you know, and at

465
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 3: some point he was promoting his show. He's even, yeah,

466
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 3: he's gonna do anything, take a little bit of pier

467
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: here and there, everything that he can do.

468
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: But I never talked to that guy.

469
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: We ever asked him anything, and he never even reached out,

470
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,959
Speaker 3: not to say we was we weren't interested. We weren't,

471
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: but he never even reached out, so he didn't know

472
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 3: if yes or not we were interested.

473
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's two sides.

474
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 3: That's sorry, that's why I like, that's what I said,

475
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: like some promoter out there, Hey, bro, two faces crazy stuff.

476
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: Look just just invented, invented.

477
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: Well, here's what it is. Here's what it is. And

478
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: Francis said it rightly about it. It's really just advertisement. MMA.

479
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: I did a great breakdown on it because even Bellator Luke,

480
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 2: who Francis said, sat down with them. They all Cocher

481
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: and Company ultimately said we don't have this type of

482
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: cash at the moment to bring you in. But they

483
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: talked with him, they'd kind of did the same thing.

484
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: I think all the promoters around their next big event,

485
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: we're using Francis's name to try to get themselves in

486
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: the headlines. Either we're going to talk with him, We're

487
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: going to bring him in, or in this case would

488
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: be AFC did you know, shit on him to try

489
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: to push themselves up. If you take into account the

490
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: amount of fake news that Francis has had to deal with,

491
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: it's startling, Luke going back, like, do you remember like

492
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 2: even when he he wanted he was knocking people out

493
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: on this comeback from the two fight, losing skin in

494
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: the UFC, when he built himself back up and started

495
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: knocking everybody out in the first round. He was fighting

496
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: once per year the last three years, Luke. He obviously

497
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: wanted to fight more. He should have been part of

498
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: some interim title opportunity, but wasn't. Like all these turns

499
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: against him. Remember Dana when public was like, oh, Francis

500
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: is fat, He's not even in shape, like all of

501
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: this constantly across the board, which makes you kind of

502
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: ask yourself, like, are we getting this wrong? Is Francis

503
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: actually a schemer behind the scenes? Is he just as

504
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: much in this fake news battle. Why is everybody trying

505
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: to portray this guy at something greedy, too big of

506
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: a head, you know, across the board on there, Luke.

507
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: I think it's at the end of the day, because

508
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: he's a different animal than ninety nine percent of the fighters.

509
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: He can't be bought. You can't just raise the price

510
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: tag and be like, Okay, look, we want you to

511
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: fight John Jones, So how about here's another million, Like,

512
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: you can't do that. So the because when you get

513
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: a rare person with leverage and power and something to

514
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: lose that's willing to test that, that's the danger to

515
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: you because of the long firm change it can be.

516
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: I think all of these promoters not just stay in

517
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: a white look at the change that Francis can do.

518
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: Pfl's not because they've got big investors and they're trying

519
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: to compete with the number one right now, they're not

520
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: trying to stay you know, tread water. That cage is

521
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: pretty damn intelligent. Like they're literally trying to go all

522
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: in and I respect that and it's a big gamble,

523
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: but they're going after it. Outside of that though, Francis

524
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: is like a cancer to these guys, not because he's

525
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: hard to deal with, not because of all these other things.

526
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: Because he stands on two feet, firm and doesn't shake.

527
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 2: So I think that's ultimately the foundation for while all

528
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: these people lie and bad mouth him. But I think

529
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: Francis is also right. They're using that for their own

530
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: self promotion at the end.

531
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: I always wonder it's like, do people think Francis is

532
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: stupid because he speaks broken English and he came from

533
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: an impoverished background, Like that doesn't make you stupid. You

534
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: can actually be quite brilliant and come from all of

535
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: those backgrounds. Like it's not. I always I don't know

536
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: if that's the reason I but I wonder sometimes. Okay,

537
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: here we go, Mike, he's gonna, Michael, we're gonna. We're

538
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: gonna move through this quicker, I promise. All right, let's

539
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: hear what Francis had to say. Let's move down now

540
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: past BKFC one championship. Here's Francis on his discussion with Chawtri.

541
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: He was a he was a head of a performance,

542
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: by the way, upload chatter for his performance.

543
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 5: When when you left the meeting, did you consider it

544
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 5: at all or were you did like, did he change

545
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 5: your mind at all when you left the meeting?

546
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 4: Or consider what?

547
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: I didn't talk to him about business, and it was

548
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: just about battery all this time.

549
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 4: I tell him about what he.

550
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, this is my position. I come here to listen.

551
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't know what you have to say. And here

552
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, I can send this number to you.

553
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, I send it to my care already. I'm like, okay,

554
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: if you send to my care, then it's enough. You

555
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: don't need to send it to me macare hundred or that.

556
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: So and then he didn't send it to me.

557
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: I didn't and I didn't engage into like, oh I

558
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: want this, I want that.

559
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: I didn't have any engagement.

560
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sitting on the table and tell him that, okay,

561
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: I'm going with this guy. So I have no reason

562
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: to even ask him something. And You'm like why so much,

563
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 3: like what can I do? What PFL is giving you

564
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: that you can change your mind? Then I'm like they're

565
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: giving me so many things. They're giving me the PFA

566
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: Africa and this, And You'm like, now, yes, we can

567
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: do as I told you. We can do road to one. Uh,

568
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: we have roade to one from this road to one.

569
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, bro, I'm saying PFA Africa. I'm not

570
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: saying road to PF. It's different, completely different. And then this, yeah,

571
00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: the structure is there.

572
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: Look before we get your reaction. He would also go

573
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: on to add during a lengthy kind of ten minute

574
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: rant piece by piece of where you know, Ariel said,

575
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: did you ever consider at any point during the conversation

576
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: accepting Chawtrey's offer? And he was like, there wasn't an offer.

577
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: All Chatri did was talk about Chautri, and he kind

578
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: of laughed at it and said, you know, he was

579
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: a good actor. You know, he did a good performance.

580
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, there were some people

581
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: publicly looked that were quoting Chautre, some very famous people

582
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: and all along and saying that he was right and

583
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: Francis was wrong. Here this seemed to dispel that.

584
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, people keep taking Francis for a fool. I

585
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: really don't quite understand that. He clearly is clever guy.

586
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: He clearly is bright. He clearly understands himself and what

587
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: he wants and what is required to get to places.

588
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: Now again, that doesn't mean his vision will also be

589
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: come together but I just want to just you. It's

590
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: the same lesson I gonna take from BKFC I have

591
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: been warning people about like again. I like One's product

592
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: a lot. I think it's a very good product. They've

593
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: got a lot of people who work in that organization

594
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: who I like and respect very much. But Chatrie just

595
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: says a lot of things that are simply unreliable. And

596
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to be mean about it. He

597
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: cannot be trusted to tell the truth without verification. That's

598
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: just how it goes. And so as a consequence, when

599
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: he gets out there he says what he says, Guys,

600
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: you are not under any obligation to believe any of

601
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: that stuff. His relationship to the truth is merely transactional.

602
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. So as a consequence, why are

603
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: you believing anything he has to say until it's been

604
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: thoroughly vetted. Okay, we can move along here, b see.

605
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Now let's get to start. Let's talk about some of

606
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of Francis's contract. You do hear

607
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: this refrain who he's going to fight? We should be honest.

608
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: If you just look at the roster, there's not really

609
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: any names currently that blow me away. You could probably

610
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: get away with a redoom fight maybe, depending on how

611
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: things go.

612
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: My favorite PFL heavyweight, Bruno Capeloza, just got popped for peds,

613
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: as did half of their light heavyweight tournament, so that

614
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: also it was a setback right there.

615
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: Right, So fair enough, it's a good question. Let's see

616
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: what Francis has to say about it.

617
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have of the people available, do you

618
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 5: have a dream fight out there right now? Of the

619
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 5: people who are not in the UFC that you could

620
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 5: potentially fight. Is there someone out there that you would

621
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 5: love to fight?

622
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 4: No yet, people out of the USC?

623
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: No, No yet, Okay, there are no so many agents,

624
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: there are not so many.

625
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that could change by the time you fight, right.

626
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: That can change. So that's what we have some times

627
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: for that, right.

628
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: And this is the area we got to work cut

629
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: out for them, absolutely, And this I believe this is

630
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: the area where if you have questions or criticism, this

631
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 2: is the area to flaunt that. How quickly can PFL

632
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: after the Jake Paul signing, after this, after the you know,

633
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: the restructure with the seasonal format and the million dollars

634
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: and all the things that they offer that's largely different

635
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: from not only the UFC but the traditional model. Will

636
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: that be enough to bring in opponents that we actually

637
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: care about? That's the challenge for PFL here at the

638
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: end of the day. And I don't think Francis is

639
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: as concerned about that because I think in the immediacy,

640
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: which is why he's putting MMA off until twenty twenty four,

641
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: And Ariel did ask him like, why are you doing that?

642
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: What about fans that want to see you? And he's like, dude,

643
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: I'll fucking live my life exactly in the order that

644
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: I want to live that and by the way, Fantasy,

645
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: you've earned that. But I think the immediacy here is

646
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: about who can he get in heavyweight boxing in terms

647
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: of his legacy. But PFL does have questions to answer

648
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: who can they get so Luke, we don't actually know

649
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: if those rumors are going to pan out about a

650
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: potential down the road PFL belatoor merge. Let's shelf that

651
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: for a second. This is a big gamble by PFL

652
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: in general, because they're not just trying to build on

653
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: the seasonal format, they're almost pivoting completely going we've got

654
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: Jake Paul right now, We've still got Kayla Harrison under contract.

655
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: We know they wanted to bring in Cyborg from Belatoor

656
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: for a big one. We know they want super fights.

657
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: Can you put your creative hat on here? Like, knowing

658
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: what we know about UFC contracts, is one year enough

659
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: to create two or three guys you want to see

660
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: or not that you necessarily are itching to see Francis fight,

661
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: but that you'll accept in terms of what is this

662
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: a viable use of his MMA time?

663
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you have to ask who would

664
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: he fight in the UFC? And he answers John Jones. Okay, fine,

665
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: but after the John Jones fight, let's say he won.

666
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: That he could lose it, but let's just say for

667
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: the sake of argument, he won. Who would you like

668
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: to see him fight? I guess Jelton Almeida. Maybe he's

669
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: kind of upon that.

670
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: Don't shit on that. There's a few they're doing good

671
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: right now. We got Pavlovich, aspinall, Jarlton Almado.

672
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: Okay, these aren't bad fights. That's not what I'm saying that.

673
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: None of those are bad fights. Are all very respectable contests,

674
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: but none of those are blockbusters, Like, none of those

675
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: are huge numbers. Like you got to remember something ten

676
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: years ago, there used to be a really important question

677
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: people would ask, which is, if you look at a

678
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: pay per view by what contributes to that? And the

679
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: answer back then was a little bit from the A side,

680
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: a little bit from the B side, whatever rivalry they

681
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: have might be thrown in there as well, and then

682
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: that UFC halo on top of it, right, they would

683
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: throw in a little bit more. And I don't mean

684
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: to suggest that that's not still part of the equation,

685
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: but the UFC halo is simply not what it once

686
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: was as a means of driving high levels of pay

687
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: per view by rates. It doesn't move people in that way.

688
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: You can look at the way in which their product

689
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: is just currently organized. Yes, they're going to do better

690
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: than the other promoters by virtue of a lot of reasons,

691
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: but like the UFC halo isn't exactly the same. So

692
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: I want to point out something. The idea that past

693
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: John Jones he's got a series of five hundred k

694
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: buy rate opponents in front of him, doesn't check out

695
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: that that's really not true. That's the first thing i'd say.

696
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: But BC, I'm going to echo your concerns here. This

697
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: is a gigantic gamble from PFL, because everyone wants to say,

698
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: is PFL going to stay in business? Is Francis gonna

699
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: bankrupt him?

700
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: He might?

701
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: He might. But here's the truth. Here's the honest to

702
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: god truth. Putting on tournament fights with people that you

703
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: tell me you don't care about, right, those are not

704
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: UBC but the proverbial you out there who telling me

705
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm not watching what the fuck I'm gonna watch? BFL

706
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: or Right, putting on fights with those guys in a

707
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: tournament format on ESPN Plus is a path to nowhere.

708
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: They will guaranteed go out of business doing that. The

709
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: only way to survive with the amount of money and

710
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: investment that they have put in is to get to

711
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: the premier side of pay per view. Francis is a big,

712
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: big step in the right direction, but there have to

713
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: be many more that follow. And I want to point

714
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: out something. BKFC didn't have the money beltre looks like

715
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: probably didn't have the money Beltore is in a bit

716
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: of a strange place these days. We'll see how that goes.

717
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: One kind of had the money maybe sort of, but

718
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't really all that clear, here's the point I

719
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: want to make. We are not talking about not a

720
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: promoter in PFL who can't afford what fighters are now

721
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: currently asking for two million guarantees whatever they literally are

722
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: gonna give them the money. What they are hoping for

723
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: is to get around the lock and key of onerous

724
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: contracts by the dominant brand in the sport. Noodle that

725
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: for a second, everyone and ask yourself what the real

726
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: difficulty is in making these work. It's not a promoter

727
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: who doesn't have the money, and it's not a promoter

728
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: who doesn't have an a side that would be an

729
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: exciting fight for the fans to see. It is literally

730
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: the contracts of a different promoter.

731
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: Well, and it's all the if you build it, they

732
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: will come. Now they may not come, but if you

733
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: don't build it, nobody's coming. So that's why in this case,

734
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: even though they had to give up a lot to

735
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: get a lot in Francis, meaning when I say a

736
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: lot in Francis, I mean there's two sides. One, you

737
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: have the credibility of being the best heavyweight in the

738
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: world at this moment. Obviously, the John Jones coming in

739
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: and winning the title makes that a closer debate. You

740
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: also get the extension of who Francis is. Can this

741
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: actually lead to business in Africa and opening up a

742
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: whole new market and all that. But separate from that,

743
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: it's up to the PFL to now make this work

744
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: with Francis. So can this bait be enough?

745
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: Luke? I don't know.

746
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: I don't know your swing, you know what I'm saying

747
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: like that? I think ultimately the Jake Paul pickup is

748
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: going to be a smart one. He's not going to

749
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: fight MMA as well until twenty twenty four. Maybe that's

750
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: a rematch with Nay Diaz after their boxing match. Who knows,

751
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows how realistically Jake can become an

752
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: MMA fighter. But you've got to start put the chess

753
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: pieces in place to try to use it as bait

754
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: to attract others. I don't know, I mean, because if

755
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: you were, like, HEYBC, the bell too a roster absorbs

756
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: into PFL within a year, Okay, that's a great start.

757
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: But if not of that, they're gonna have to move briskly.

758
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: But now they have the right person to bring with

759
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: them in the living room for the negotiation period when

760
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: it's like you can come fight Francis. But look, let

761
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: me let me say this, Like Francis is not gonna

762
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: be wrong forever. He's got to come back from this

763
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: knee injury. He's gonna be thirty seven at the end

764
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: of this year. Do you think people will because of

765
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: the price tag, the two million dollars, all that go

766
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: out of their way to get free to try to

767
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: get here, Like that's first and foremost, even though this

768
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: man is still the scariest opponent in the world. Is

769
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: the money gonna just trump that and just help make

770
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: this happen.

771
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to get creative. I have

772
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: a feeling that they're going to try and sign like

773
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: interesting light heavyweights away, you know what I mean, to

774
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: make something possible. I don't know what that looks like,

775
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: but I doubt they would make this also because he's

776
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: under lock and key at least at the moment. But like,

777
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get creative in this way, like

778
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Francis versus Joel Romero, something kind of weird like that,

779
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: because I honestly think it's gonna be at least difficult

780
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: at first to get away Premiere ASA our premiere B

781
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: side Heavyweight Talent UFC's gonna do everything they can to

782
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: get these guys new deals, more lucrative deals, not the

783
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 1: kind of money they would make fighting Francis at one time,

784
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: but you know them and also they're gonna put pressure

785
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: on them too, probably as well. You know, they're gonna

786
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: make sure that he keep as many of them under

787
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna take someone having Honestly, here's what's gonna take.

788
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: And this is why I'm like nervous for PFL. It's

789
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: gonna take someone having the same kind of commitment that

790
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Francis does. Because if you walk out the door on UFC,

791
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: for Francis, there's a good chance UFC is going to

792
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: tell you you're not welcome back at any point, and

793
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: you have to be ready for that. And I think

794
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are probably gonna be very scared

795
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: by that, understandably, understandably, and so they got their work

796
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: cutout for him. Man, they really do.

797
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 4: All right.

798
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: This one I got to SABC. I do think is

799
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: a mistake on Francis's part right twenty twenty four debut.

800
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: I understand why he wants a carve out in twenty

801
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: twenty three to Box, I do get that, but at best.

802
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: It seems speculative, so Ariel asked him about it. Let's

803
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: hear it, and then I want to get your reaction

804
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: first thing.

805
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: Afterwards, it's my life.

806
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: I would need it on my way. If you're happy, good,

807
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: If you are not, oh no, I'm sorry of all. Secondly,

808
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 3: as I said, this deal is exclusive enemy and also.

809
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: We will need PF.

810
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: Will also need time to find an opening for me

811
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: to build up the opening right because I'm not going

812
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 3: next month to fight.

813
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: Right.

814
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: And also there is the boxing component that is in consideration.

815
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: We don't have an announcement yet, but as I said,

816
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: there's a lot of time in in this we can

817
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: have a big fight or not or just a turn

818
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: up fight sometime soon, and that's what I'm hoping to

819
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 3: have a boxing fight before fight in PF. So that's

820
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 3: also one of the reasons why twenty twenty four is

821
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: the best fit.

822
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: So everything has to happen.

823
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: Tyson Fury is on out there beyond what there is

824
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 3: to out there.

825
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 4: I don't know about Antonijo's war, all.

826
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: Those guys as to out there, and there is an

827
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: opportunity as where there's a possibility as well to take

828
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: it to not fight you know, to get there and

829
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: have a feeling about it.

830
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: Once before the big fight whenever he comes.

831
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 2: Now, Francis would go on to say that he felt

832
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: he was very close to a Wilder fight. Then he

833
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: says Wilder was offered a title shot, and when in

834
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: a different direction, we did hear rumors of a possible

835
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: Anthony Joshua Wilder fight this December, although there's no title

836
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: there and that would probably need Saudi Arabian money, but

837
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. Francis also mentioned that Tyson Fury

838
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 2: is also kind of in an open spot right now,

839
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: not going in the direction of Usik right now. There

840
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: were some talks of other fights that now Joe Joyce

841
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: can't be a Fury opponent next because because he activated

842
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: the rematch against Jiang, who upset him. So, look, does

843
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: this kill the momentum of the signing to not come back? Yeah,

844
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: not kill, but does it hurt it?

845
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: Yes?

846
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean I think the same thing happened when they

847
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 2: announced Jake Paul the PFL and then it's like, oh yeah,

848
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: but he's not going to be starting his training for

849
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: a while. It's like, Okay, I guess I'll wait, but

850
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: you do have to wonder if Francis and his team

851
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: who have had time to really calculate this move, right,

852
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 2: I mean this move that came out yesterday, it didn't

853
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: start yesterday. I mean this goes all the way back

854
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: to their decision to fight out their contract with UFC

855
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: and take the fight with Gon on a bad knee,

856
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: and all of that that played into it. You have

857
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: to believe, Luke, that they believe that the onus right

858
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: now is boxing because he can make the most money

859
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: and there's a window here to potentially get a monster

860
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: name in it. But as it pertains to both his

861
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: immediacy in boxing and his comeback in twenty twenty four

862
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: to MMA, and Francis is right by the way, he

863
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: can do whatever he wants. He earned that, And don't

864
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: you love, Luke how politely Francis can talk trash and

865
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: how much respect he shows for people even when he's

866
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: like dunking on them. It is impressive in that regard.

867
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: There's been some sort of work related rumors tied to

868
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: this that I want to get your take on if

869
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: it's if this makes any sense. PFL did resign with ESPN,

870
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: but obviously we know this creates an interesting scenario in

871
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: which PFL airs on ESPN plus pay per view, Right, Like,

872
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: that's where Francis is going to be fighting in theory,

873
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: and that's competing against the people he just left. The

874
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: Zone has international rights on PFL and was heavily mentioned

875
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: in this press release. Jake Paul is launching a boxing

876
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: series on his own. Jake Paul also is now it

877
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: looks like after a one off on ESPN, going to

878
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: be boxing on his oonne moving forward. Are we led

879
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: to believe that some of the delay here is not

880
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: just smart, because you do need time to attract legitimate

881
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: MMA opponents who may need extra time to get out

882
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: of their deal or let it expire. Does it make

883
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: more sense for PFL and Francis Is both MMA and

884
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: boxing future to if that's the direction they're going. Do

885
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: you think this is a setup for PFL to Let's

886
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: say they signed a two deal. I don't know if

887
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: we actually know the specifics of the most recent deal

888
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: they signed in January of twenty twenty two with ESPN,

889
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: But is that possible that it expires just in time

890
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: for him to make his debut on the other side,

891
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: because maybe that means more money or more whatever does

892
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: that mean anything to you?

893
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: Could? I don't think it's all a bunch of coincidence,

894
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: and the fact that he did an interview with his

895
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: Zone before he did an interview with Ariel ultimately, I

896
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: think is kind of telling as well. It means like

897
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: a part I requested it. Yeah, it's like that. When

898
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: you see something like that, it typically means that the

899
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: broadcast partner requested it, and because they're a broadcast partner,

900
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: they're going to get whatever they want in certain situations

901
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, here's the difference for MEBC between

902
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: ESPN and Dezone insofar as it relates to Francis's future,

903
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: as best I can tell, dude. Like, on the UFC side,

904
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: ESPN is obviously a hugely important partner, right for any

905
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: number of reasons, not least of which is the amount

906
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: of storytelling that ESPN does and the amount of coverage

907
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: of gives through its shows to the UFC product Like

908
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: that is substantial and real, and I think that UFC

909
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: aligning with ESPN has been just phenomenal for both brands. Frankly,

910
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: it'd be hard to argue otherwise. Right, But on the

911
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: PFL side, do we really see a lot of evidence

912
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: of storytelling from ESPN to PFL to boost that product.

913
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: They seem happy to have the content, they seem happy

914
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: to put it on TV when they need content, but

915
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: they don't seem like really behind it. So in the

916
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: same sense, like one of the problems with Bellator on

917
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: dizone was that Dezone just wasn't telling their stories, not

918
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: in a very interesting way, and I think the product

919
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: really languished on dizone, to be quite candid with you,

920
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: So in that sense, I don't see much of a

921
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: difference here. To me is the real difference. You've got

922
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: already a bunch of MMA fans who are already ESPN

923
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: plus subscribers, who I think would it would mix buying

924
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: the pay per view just a little bit more. I

925
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: don't know, easy or they're already in the universe. I

926
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: guess you can just buy dizone pay per views outside

927
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: of it, so maybe it doesn't matter. But to the

928
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: extent any membership is required, that would be I think

929
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: a hurdle for MMA fans are not going to pay

930
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: for that, like they're just not.

931
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you would you agree that there's a

932
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: potential strategy in taking boxing first, not just because you

933
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: could commit yourself to that skill set and then go

934
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 2: back to MMA full time. But because is there more

935
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: value him entering a big boxing match against one of

936
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: those giant names after he has returned and debuted at MMA. No,

937
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: the values right now. The value is right now.

938
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: So that's exactly the value is now. And plus, dude, like, man,

939
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: we've seen these guys from UFC. I do think Francis

940
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: is probably still the best heavyweight on Earth or has

941
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: a claim to it anyway. You can debate who that is.

942
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, like these other guys, man, if

943
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: it's the biggest none of their life, they can make

944
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: it close. Like you know, you could lose those fights,

945
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: that's all possibility. I do think it makes sense to

946
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: hold out the BC. You know, listen, my reach into

947
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: the boxing world is quite minimal. But like I'm on

948
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: boxing forums and YouTube channels and sites every day. No

949
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: one's talking about Francis right now. That doesn't mean that

950
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: they won't, but right now he's not really a part

951
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: of the conversation.

952
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: Problem was when when when Tyson Fury knocked out Dillian

953
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: White and then Fury welcomed Francis in. That was a

954
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: moment where we were like, oh wow, like, are they

955
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: really going to do this? I think that would have

956
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: been the time there was buzz. There was even an

957
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: idea with Francis under contract with UFC, Fury under contract

958
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: with ESPN both or with top rank co promoter, both

959
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: being ESPN, that maybe that would be like a Disney

960
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: Super Fight special. But that has you know, there has

961
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: been enough time since there where I agree there's no

962
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: monster buzz at the moment. You'd have to have the

963
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: monster buzz of bringing in that crossover MMA audience to

964
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: really make it worth it.

965
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so I want to skip be see if we

966
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: can just the one on what the board is this

967
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: global board? We have more time. I would sit with it.

968
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate I appreciate you pulling at Mikey. Let's go

969
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: to the next one. So we think it's either two

970
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: or three fights. Let's get some clarification here. Here's Francis

971
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: discussing what is the length of this new PFL deal.

972
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: It's not about years, it's about fight. Let's not just

973
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: say it's no fault many fights. I'll keep it that way.

974
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: Is for multiple fight ye. But most importantly what you

975
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: have to understand here this is a partner, like a

976
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: partnership with UH strategy partnership, Like for example, PFA Africa

977
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: is not going to be something for for two years.

978
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 3: It's for life, you understand, Like, Yeah, that's something that

979
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: we're going to work on it like basically forever. So

980
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: there's not a time time limit on that. The amount

981
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: of fight year UH doesn't really matter. We are already

982
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: in the business. And then even if we have had

983
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: a certain limitation or fight, UH, that's that's easy to

984
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: work on.

985
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: Not that many fights. Here's the part that I wonder

986
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: we see, Like, I guess because he's the equity owner

987
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: and chairman of PFL Africa, that doesn't change if he

988
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: ends up leaving PFL after two fights or something like that.

989
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: But I guess I don't understand the significance of like

990
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: the again he explains the board, but I'm just sort

991
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: of pointing out it's like, to what extent is him

992
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: fighting for the brand contingent upon having any relationship to

993
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: these other endeavors part of the deal.

994
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 2: Well, if he's an equity chairman and the idea of

995
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: PFL Africa, which isn't just gonna you know, open up

996
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: shop tomorrow, even though, as Francis indicated, they were already

997
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: in the works of this idea before they spoke to him,

998
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: you know, maybe to attract him, maybe not. But I

999
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: think ultimately Luke, if he's an equity owner, that there

1000
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: is a future there. And that's a big part of

1001
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: why we say legacy here in this decision, because Francis

1002
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: is not only helping the current fighters potentially in pay

1003
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: and his opponents, which we've gotten to, but the idea

1004
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: of helping his not just his countrymen, but his home

1005
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: continent start to really grow in those areas. So look,

1006
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: I almost feel like the fighting, like this is why

1007
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: I felt people really haven't gotten or understood what this

1008
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: decision really is. Like it's almost to me the fighting

1009
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: is secondary.

1010
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: To you know what, the honest you know what stands

1011
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: out to me about this DEALBC just a little bit,

1012
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: if I may, dude, there's nothing I mean, I guess

1013
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a carve out for another sport

1014
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: makes it different. Okay that part aside, Dude, this is

1015
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: a fucking boxing contract for an a side guy. Like

1016
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I guess the PFL Africa parts a little bit different,

1017
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: But even then not really because those guys set up

1018
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: their own promotional companies which get partnership deals with the

1019
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: with the major promoter, whether it's Matchroom or something else.

1020
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: But like you know, they get they get money from

1021
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: the events profits. That's what a boxing A side would get.

1022
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: They get a big chunk of the pay per view.

1023
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: It's what a boxing A side would get. They get

1024
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: their own sponsors. It's what a fucking boxing as I

1025
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: would get. It's for two so what a fucking boxing

1026
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: A side would get.

1027
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: There's a major difference though. The boxing A side is

1028
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: often using looking to exercise their A side advantages, to

1029
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: use their leverage to get more advantages. A lot of

1030
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 2: times that's financially sometimes, as we saw with the weight

1031
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: dehydration thing with Ryan Garcia and Tank, is strategic. But again,

1032
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: if you're labeling Francis as selfish, if he was really selfish,

1033
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: she would already fought John Jones for eight million and

1034
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: would have been getting ready for the rematch, just so

1035
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: you know. But the reason why I pipe back on

1036
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: this being a boxing A side contract is because Francis

1037
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: is lobbying for whoever his potential opponents are Luke like

1038
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: by wanting them be in to get a certain amount

1039
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 2: of money, and he, as he said, it was not

1040
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: just so they could be at their best, so we

1041
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: put on a better fight because he said it takes

1042
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: two to tango. We're in the entertainment business, which is

1043
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: all true, but like he's sacrificing, he doesn't want to

1044
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: be in albatross. That sinks the PFL because they said,

1045
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: look at all the money they spent on him, and

1046
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: it meant they couldn't bring in star opponents, like you

1047
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: have to respect that choice. Ultimately, we don't actually know

1048
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: the financials, but do you really think he would be

1049
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: getting eight million per fight in the PFL like he

1050
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: was offered for that for the two John Jones fights.

1051
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Luke, No, not as a guarantee.

1052
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: John Nash has run the numbers. Basically, what he said

1053
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: was if he fought John Jones and then two more

1054
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: fives one a three fight deal, and he won all

1055
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: three of those. Because, by the way, if you lose,

1056
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: then the amount of money you get next time goes

1057
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: down pretty substantially for no other reason than you're losing

1058
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: pay per viewpoints. But okay, let's say that he beat

1059
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: John Jones. It does with industry experts think it would

1060
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: two more fights. Under that consideration, he would make more

1061
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: money with the UFC deal. So the UFC deal is

1062
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: probably still in terms of its potential upside financially, still

1063
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: the most lucrative one he could get. However, there are

1064
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: other ways in between the events profits. Although you know,

1065
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: obviously the PFL doesn't do well at the gate, but

1066
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: maybe Francis will change that. And then on top of it,

1067
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: of course have his own sponsors, which is huge. There's

1068
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: a potential large amount he can make up. You see

1069
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: one thing I want to point out too that I

1070
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: don't think folks are realizing. Remember PFL launched PFL Europe

1071
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: all right now, that's obviously gonna be expanding a vast

1072
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: amount of territory, a lot of different cultures, languages, nations.

1073
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: But I saw some French MMA fans saying yesterday just

1074
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: ask yourself what would you rather see gone? And I'm

1075
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: you know Imovov, you know Imovov on a card in

1076
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: Paris or Cedric Doombay and Francis and Ganu. Dude, I'm

1077
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: just telling you right now in that French market, Doombay

1078
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: and and gon who are gonna clean up if the

1079
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: UFC excuse me if PFL ends up going to Paris.

1080
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: So like, man, there's just a lot of ways where

1081
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: it's just you gotta understand this is not This is

1082
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: only unusual because our usual is fighters having absolute nothing

1083
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: but marching orders. And now these guys are given the

1084
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: marching orders and it looks different.

1085
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: Can I ask you? I think we wrapped there on

1086
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: Francis and we brought out the questions that PFL has

1087
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 2: to face about recruitment and all that. But what about

1088
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: the UFC. They had a pretty quick reaction from all

1089
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: the breaking news and we're gonna get to it, and

1090
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: a lot of it was great and impressive, and it's

1091
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: like all these weeks we've been talking about how bad

1092
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: matchmaking is water down in UFC, Like, thanks for unloading

1093
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 2: the good stuff on us, But what does this mean

1094
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: in your opinion for the UFC going forward? And UFC

1095
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: fighters side of Dana probably ignoring it and saying Francis

1096
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: will never fight there anymore? What are the what's the

1097
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: ripple effect there? I mean fighters may end up getting

1098
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: paid more, right, Like that's.

1099
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: The ripple, yeah, but not substantially more, only the ones

1100
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: that they have to Like this idea that it's going

1101
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: to result in like a blanket salary. Rais is no chance.

1102
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: I mean the numbers came out from North Carolina. They

1103
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: still publish the numbers. Eho Portieria fought Carlos Olberg on

1104
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: the main card of UFC Charlotte for twelve K. Twelve

1105
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: K was his pay. Twelve K. You know that's before

1106
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: taxes and what you owe your you know, your team

1107
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: and everything else. Like, that's a substantial amount of money.

1108
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: He's losing and not making hardly anything. So you know

1109
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: the idea that like he's going to get a bump. No,

1110
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: he's not going to get a bump, But I wonder

1111
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: for the guts I'm gonna I'm going to imagine something. Right,

1112
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: Let's imagine Pavlovich has one more fight on his deal.

1113
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: Let's imagine that Almeida has two more fights on his deal.

1114
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: I would imagine or even aspinall guys like that, they're

1115
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: gonna do everything they possibly can within reason, unless they

1116
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: have the same kind of mental commitment as Francis to

1117
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: keep them under lock and key. Whether it's giving them

1118
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: an extension, whether it's leveraging them, whether it's pressuring them,

1119
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: whether it's giving them a raise or all of the above.

1120
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna do whatever's contract.

1121
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: That will restrict them more that we talked about because

1122
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: like you know, even Francis went through that and they

1123
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 2: attempted in his last two years there, Like, if you

1124
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: turn down an opponent that they offer you, they can

1125
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: extend your contract, right.

1126
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: So they can do that. The other one they're doing

1127
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: now is like it used to be the case that

1128
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: the day you signed the contract was when it starts.

1129
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: Now what ends up happening is the day you sign

1130
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: the contract for the newer versions. It's not when it starts.

1131
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: It actually starts once the fight begins. So if they

1132
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: sign you in January and then don't book you for

1133
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: a fight until August, your contract didn't start until August.

1134
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: So that's another eight months that they held you. I mean,

1135
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm giving examples of things that could look like. But

1136
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: that's the idea among other things as well, in terms

1137
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: of when they sunset and how easily they can retain you.

1138
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: There's a still champions clauses like man, I mean, the

1139
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: PFL is go. This is one thing I want to

1140
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: say for PFL I really think is important. Right now,

1141
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: this news all the news about PFL Europe and PFL

1142
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: Africa and all this kind of stuff. We'll see what

1143
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: it looks like. But with the Bellatorren news on top

1144
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: of it, Man, PFL is taking all of their chips

1145
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: BC and they're pushing them right to the middle. This

1146
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: is why I hope people understand. Could Francis's deal hasten

1147
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: the demise of PFL. It certainly is possible. Sure, sure,

1148
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: it is possible. However, the path they're on without him

1149
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: is certain failure. There's no path forward with that. It

1150
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: will fail. So this is their chance to go fuck

1151
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: it all the chips in the middle. Let's do exactly

1152
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: what we can. And honestly, dude, MMA needs us a

1153
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: number two promoter who's kind of nipping at the UFC's

1154
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: heels a little bit. They need that space.

1155
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: You can misrepresent everything we say as these guys hate Dana,

1156
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: they hate the UFC. They want this or that to happen.

1157
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: You know, do I want the best heavyweight to not

1158
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: be in the UFC under normal consideration no, and circumstances no,

1159
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: But ultimately I want them to get taken care of.

1160
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: I don't want po Tiera to be fighting for twelve

1161
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: K and and nothing else look like I mean, and

1162
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 2: the fact that this whole news exposed all the people

1163
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: that really don't give a flying fuck about that, including

1164
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: UFC brass. It seems that's where we are. That's why

1165
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: this news was huge. That's why we just spent an

1166
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: hour on it.

1167
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: Luke damn right, right, last one, last clip, This is it,

1168
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: and we'll close the show on this.

1169
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: We hit that already.

1170
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: We already hear no, no, no, there's one more. There's one

1171
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: more I want to hear. I just want to hear

1172
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: what Francis has to say. From my own personal satisfaction.

1173
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: I'll call it a day on this. And France is

1174
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: talking about why his opponent is going to be making

1175
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: what they're making last.

1176
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 3: One because I didn't want to get me. If they

1177
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: give me a lot of money and then don't get

1178
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: don't pay my opening, I will feel like, oh I

1179
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: came and I collect everything, you know, like sometime some

1180
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 3: in this business. Some what I've learned is that this

1181
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 3: is little, it's a little weird, right, and they can't

1182
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 3: cut some paid to pay you because that's what the

1183
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 3: one that's you that they want. And I didn't want

1184
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: to have that feeling even though he wasn't true, I

1185
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: didn't have one to have that feeling.

1186
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: That is all about me. It's about fight, and it's

1187
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: about fighters.

1188
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 3: And yes, let's make sure that the guy that I'm

1189
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: fighting is going to have his own money. He's going

1190
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: to have a proper training income, is going to afford

1191
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: a good training partner, is going to afford anything that

1192
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 3: he needs to be at that level.

1193
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 4: You know.

1194
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: So fair enough, fair enough? Well, what a huge and

1195
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: monumental day.

1196
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 2: We had just talked about that impact. But one thing

1197
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about it was here's three tweets I

1198
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: do want to share that John Jones put out immediately

1199
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: after the news. Luke one was calling yourself the baddest

1200
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: man on the planet from across the street. Who does that? Lol? Secondly,

1201
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: my man went one Super Bowl, transferred to a top

1202
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: arena football league, and then claims to be better than Brady.

1203
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: That's what I'm I'm hearing right now. And John would

1204
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: close with, wasn't calling himself the baddest when he was

1205
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: still a free agent. He signed safely behind a new organization,

1206
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 2: and now suddenly the baddest thing walking like we all

1207
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: haven't seen him quitting inside the cage before. So I

1208
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 2: want to ask you to close on this. I can't

1209
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: believe that John actually believes what he's saying. Ultimately, let's

1210
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: not forget that when Francis first left UFC in January,

1211
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: the first public comments from John were supportive, and then

1212
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: suddenly a couple weeks later they were all negative because

1213
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: he went in there and be gone and won the championship,

1214
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 2: and of course they're calling him to go. John doesn't

1215
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: want a debate over who the best heavyweight is. So

1216
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: John can use this stance of well, Francis, you ran

1217
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 2: and left, Luke, what really happened, Why why John sat

1218
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: out three years, why he didn't come back until exactly

1219
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: after Francis left, And is there any conspiracy hope to

1220
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: the idea that UFC told John, we're not making a

1221
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: move with you until we figure out the Francis thing

1222
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: is that.

1223
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: I definitely think yes. I definitely feel like the last

1224
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: part is true that they were making it conditional upon that,

1225
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: and so there was probably a little bit of playing

1226
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: ball on John's part for the UFC's ambitions to make

1227
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: that work, like just kind of leveraging him in that way.

1228
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

1229
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: However, I will say this, I really don't buy that

1230
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: either guy ducked the other guy. Again. Everyone's gonna forget this,

1231
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: and I'm not bringing this up to bag on John.

1232
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I am not. I'm really not.

1233
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: But remember everyone's like, well, what happened. He took three

1234
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: years off if he could have come back. He got

1235
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: arrested twice during that time, and for not like awesome things,

1236
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: like for pretty at the end of the world things,

1237
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: but pretty suspect things, things that make you worry about

1238
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: his mental health, make you worry about in certain cases

1239
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: even his physical health or or the physical danger he

1240
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: might be posing to himself and others. Like, it was

1241
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: not an awesome time. So I don't know what he

1242
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: was going through during that time. And I've said it before.

1243
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: I hope he and everyone else who is struggling with

1244
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: any kind of substance abuse or other issues gets the

1245
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: the actual help that they need. And I and I

1246
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: stand by that today. But like, I'm not convinced that

1247
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: a guy like John Jones was achieved in the level

1248
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: that he has is like like frightened to fight Francis

1249
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: and gon who And conversely, dude, the amount of demons

1250
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: that Francis and Gon who has stared down in his

1251
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: world and walked past. You know, he has courage unlike

1252
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: any of us, quite frankly, I mean, and perseverance unlike

1253
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: any of us, and self belief unlike any of us.

1254
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: I think that you could make that fight under different circumstances.

1255
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: But the way all business. It's gotta be all business.

1256
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: And that's then suddenly John was the favorite son again,

1257
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, the second Francis ran out that door. So

1258
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: I don't believe anything John just said. Right there, Francis said, well,

1259
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: cross the side of the street, then come on over.

1260
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: They're not gonna fight each other anytime soon, all right,

1261
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: So let's chill that.

1262
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: Hell up, all right. Topic number two, let's move along

1263
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: if we can.

1264
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: BC.

1265
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: There were a slew, a slate whatever the word is

1266
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: of fight announcements yesterday regarding the next two UFC or

1267
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: but the two new uctually say UFC pay per Views,

1268
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: UFC two donety one and UFC two donty two before

1269
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: I give you these fights, because most of them sound

1270
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. In fact, many of them sound amazing. If

1271
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: I can just be perfectly honest, with you. I just

1272
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: want to point out something. Number one, the fact that

1273
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: they came out on the day that Francis announced this huge,

1274
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: historic deal is obviously not coincidental. No, the UFC has

1275
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: the right to do that. I'm not in any way

1276
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: saying that they don't. In fact, I gotta tell you,

1277
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: like I hadn't seen the UFC like try to you know,

1278
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: run over someone's good news in a while. I was like, wow,

1279
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: like they're really going for at this time, so glad

1280
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: to see they're not asleep at the wheel. But BC,

1281
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm serious, like, no one ever makes them compete anymore.

1282
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: Finally someone made them compete. But okay, yeah, here's the

1283
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: other part. BC. I want to just warn folks, I

1284
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: would be cautious about accepting all of these fights as

1285
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: being made. We know for a fact on record, multiple

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: times across many years, they have announced fights that were

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01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: either you know, agreed but not signed, or just made

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: up in certain circumstances, and they needed a big bang

1289
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: to counteract the Francis and Ghanu news. I'm gonna read

1290
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,439
Speaker 1: these fight names and these fights on the car to you.

1291
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: I would take it with a grain of salt until

1292
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: it is confirmed. At a later date. That's all I'll say.

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01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: But with that in mind. B see, let me read

1294
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: it through one time and you get the first reaction.

1295
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: Here we go for the vacant BMF title. Who knew?

1296
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: Just stop right there? Can we just stop right there quickly? Okay,

1297
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: data's justification in that two minute video. And by the way,

1298
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: I love the BMF bullshit, Like I was, like, leave

1299
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: it around, make it an attraction. You can make pay

1300
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: per view man events with that belt. It's no problem.

1301
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: And by the way, this fight freaking rules. So I'm

1302
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: not here to be negative, but I love Dana's justification

1303
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: of Because Jorge Mosfittal retired, the BMF belt is now.

1304
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: Vacant right right though, even though Dana is instead Yeah, dude, dude,

1305
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: he hasn't want to fight since then. And more to

1306
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: the point, Dana was, I couldn't go and look it up.

1307
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: I googled it one time. You can google Dana White

1308
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: BMF one and done put that into Google. He told

1309
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: the media extensively. I was I covered that. I was

1310
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden. I was at that that fight week.

1311
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: He told everyone with a microphone, We're doing one of

1312
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: these and never again. They needed a little pop on this,

1313
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: they needed a title.

1314
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: I said it like they ask him every month and

1315
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 2: he says the same answer.

1316
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: So it's done. We'll never do it again.

1317
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: But back to your list. I like it. I like it.

1318
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that aside, whatever you want to make of it. Whatever.

1319
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: Gay Chee versus Dustin Poorier two I mean, two thumbs up.

1320
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean, who could possibly hate that fight? This is

1321
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: hugely interesting. We're going to talk about it. Yan Blohovitch

1322
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: taken on Alex Padeda up at two oh five. Now,

1323
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: this one I think is fucking insane and weird. I'm

1324
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: not saying I hate it, but it came out of

1325
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: left field. Paulo Costa taken on Ikram Alice Caov what yo,

1326
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: hold on? Hold on me, get through Michael Kias to

1327
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: take it on Kevin Holland. Two thumbs up. I love

1328
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: that fight. This one gives me a little bit of

1329
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: the hebgb's because Tony just had that incident. Were wrecked

1330
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: this car. But Tony ferguson his back against Bobby Green.

1331
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis taking on Marcos Jugerio Delima, hold on Michelle Paeda,

1332
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: Stephen Wonder Moore Thompson and lastly Vinicia Salvador taking on

1333
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: c J. Vergara. OKABC, hit it your reaction.

1334
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 2: This the stinker here is Tony Ferguson back so soon

1335
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: five fight, losing streak, stopped a bunch of times, taking

1336
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: incredible damage and then just flipped his truck in a duy.

1337
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 2: So we're gonna run him back right now? I got

1338
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: issues there, although matchmaking wise, like you get it, this

1339
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: might be the last ride in theory, you know, especially

1340
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: if he loses this one. But I don't want to

1341
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: see this right now. And also, Luke, Alex Patata is

1342
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: coming back quickly after a clean knockout loss. That's a

1343
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: little bit too quick. But if Blahovich and Peira for

1344
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: his debut at two five, I mean that is just

1345
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: great match making, a great potential fight. And Luke, while

1346
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm not here to bring up the negatives here and

1347
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: pick it apart because again, like I want Gaychie Poortier

1348
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: two more than anyone, because this has been an incredible

1349
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: lightweight Era of Action fights and these two I still believe.

1350
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: But on the best one. We talked about that a lot.

1351
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: I just rewatched it the other day, Like I love

1352
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: this first fight, let's see it again. Bring the BMF

1353
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: out of marble ball, you know, out of the closet,

1354
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: Like I'm all in on that, love it. But Luke Thomas,

1355
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: if I could package the Pernata coming back quickly with

1356
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 2: the Ferguson concern and the altitude of Salt Lake City

1357
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: like that affected the fights last time, Like without question,

1358
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: do we just say, look, it's America, we can go everyone,

1359
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: or it's global, like some places are short, some places

1360
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: are tall. Do you care at all about the elevation

1361
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: factor that is going to affect all of these fights

1362
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 2: and may actually have a factor in fights that we

1363
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: expect to go certain distances with great action. It's a

1364
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: wild card at this elevation tru or.

1365
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: False, it's a super wild card. I mean anytime you

1366
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: go to places like Denver or Salt Lake City, you know,

1367
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: not just for it. I mean we used to joke, ah,

1368
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: well the heavyweights are gonna be puffing and puffin. Dude,

1369
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: it ain't just them. It ain't just them. So you know, listen,

1370
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: Justin Gaechee and Dustin Pourier are pros. Pros, They're as

1371
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: experienced as it gets. They know what they're up against

1372
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: they know how to train. Really not worried about it

1373
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: for that, But for the other folks on this card,

1374
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: especially you're two oh five ers. We got in then

1375
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 1: comain event and ore the ones. Yeah, that's like again,

1376
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, why the hell did they go back

1377
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: to Salt Lake after to your point, all those issues

1378
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: and there's no one on the card to my knowledge

1379
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: really like from the Salt Lake area. It just as

1380
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: seems kind of random. I don't quite get it, but okay,

1381
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: it is what it is. They get to make the rules.

1382
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: So there's that BC you mentioned about Padata, the fact

1383
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: that he got knocked out very quickly. I totally agree,

1384
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: and I think it's bad. On the other hand, I

1385
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: just still wonder how much of that was weight cut affected.

1386
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: So at two oh five, will he just I mean

1387
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: twenty more pounds. I do wonder if I'll be more resilient,

1388
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: you know.

1389
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 2: I mean there was a few fights between this one

1390
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: in two ninety two in Boston that we'll get to

1391
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: in a second that felt a little bit rush. That

1392
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: is sort of like, Okay, I know you're trying to

1393
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: make a big announcement, Is that the right fight timing? Wise,

1394
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: I think it's the right matchup if you're gonna debut

1395
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: this former champion on two of five, Like you want

1396
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: him in there against the best right away, blahovich, is

1397
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 2: that perfect? Like Okay, you beat him, you're probably fighting

1398
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: for the title. Love it? Uh, what do you make

1399
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: of Paulo Costa, who I think just recently re signed

1400
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: and now yeah, dude, they're gonna they're gonna run him

1401
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: into this the hottest buzz saw the moment, right, I mean, this.

1402
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: Is this so this one is just bizarre. It's like

1403
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: Paulo Costa should be fighting. You know, he fought Vittori,

1404
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: so he should be fighting like something like what the

1405
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: canon e or I know he's gonna fight coming up too,

1406
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: but like Sean Strickland is fighting a Boostmegger madeoff, It's

1407
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: like he should be fighting fucking Paulo Costa. Like that's

1408
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: and that makes more sense given where they're at Ikramala Scaoff.

1409
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, please don't misunderstand me. He's very good and honestly,

1410
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: I would say he might even win this one, like

1411
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 1: it's possible he might. He might, but there's other ways

1412
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: where he might get absolutely fucking flat line and I

1413
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: don't quite understand fast tracking him except to make a

1414
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: Hamzat rematch. That would be the only reason. But Hamza's

1415
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: still at five. I don't know. It's a weird one

1416
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: for me.

1417
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: Oh is that that's a light heavyweight about the coast?

1418
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: When you're saying.

1419
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: No, I think that that.

1420
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 2: Then what's the problem if you're believing?

1421
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: Sorry, I misunderstood. Yes, my brain is not working. Yes,

1422
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: you're right. I apologize. Then, look, so, yes, they could

1423
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: fast track that, I apologize.

1424
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 2: Does that tell you that they believe?

1425
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 6: So?

1426
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: Would that? Do you think the fast track to the

1427
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: Chimaya of rematch with alis Skarov the only guy to

1428
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: beat him? Correct or maybe the last guy to beat him?

1429
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: I believe that's right?

1430
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 4: Yes?

1431
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: Is that because would that have to be a title

1432
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 2: fight in your opinion? Or would they make that on

1433
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: the way up prospect versus prospect?

1434
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: I think they would want one. I think they would

1435
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,799
Speaker 1: want Hamzot to be champion at that point, right, Because even.

1436
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: If you get there, how do we get there?

1437
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 4: Then? Luke?

1438
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 2: How do we I'll ask you a legitimate question, how

1439
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: do we get there?

1440
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 4: So?

1441
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 1: Okay, we got Drinkis and Whittaker fighting. I suspect Whitaker's fight,

1442
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: Izzy will fight Whittaker winner of that, assuming Hamzat takes

1443
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: fights in the interim. I'll just get fast tracked to

1444
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: that one too, because they basically, if Izzy wins both,

1445
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: if he ends up being the winner of that, all

1446
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: that that little series, they're gonna want to put them

1447
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: up against Hamza That just seems inevitable.

1448
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: Versus Hamzat, which in our pay per view challenge where

1449
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 2: we drafted cards, I still think if I was if

1450
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: I would have been smarter and I made this change

1451
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 2: and I changed it back, if I would have win

1452
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 2: Izzy versus CHAMAIV in the main event, I would have

1453
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: just crumbled your John Jones versus Whittaker wet dream or

1454
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 2: pipe Dreamer.

1455
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: I like how you talk about that one and not

1456
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: the four other ones.

1457
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 2: But okay, my other fights were great Nickel against that guy.

1458
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: The other fight, the other fight. The fights that you

1459
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: had were Bo Nickel Chamaiev, which is legit. I'm super legit.

1460
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate on that. And then and then

1461
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: multiple reruns and then just rerun, rerun, rerun.

1462
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: Seriously, Izzy versus Jamaiah for the Middleway title is one

1463
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 2: of the best three fights they could make in the

1464
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: entire promotion and or sport, and I would be jumping

1465
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: out of my underwear, Luke, for that fight. Okay, I

1466
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: want you to understand that, all.

1467
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: Right, Kisa versus Holland. I think both guys are looking

1468
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: to get right. At one seventy, Holland obviously had a

1469
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: bit of a rebound performance. Actually, let me double check that.

1470
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: I got My brain's not working right, but I still

1471
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: believe two guys. Where are they in the rankings? We see?

1472
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: Let me see here the rankings at one seventy right now,

1473
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 1: this is where they currently sit. You've got Michael Kissa

1474
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: at twelve, and you've got Kevin Holland. I don't even

1475
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: know if he's on there. Yeah, he's not even on there.

1476
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 1: So this is about Kevin Holland just getting into the rankings,

1477
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: I guess, and for Kiessa staying inside of them. Yes,

1478
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: that's really about it, right.

1479
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: It is it is, Luke. Let's go to Boston. There's

1480
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 2: some things to talk about here, all right, are you righty?

1481
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: Right?

1482
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: And then lastly with Tony Ferguson, I share your concern

1483
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: about like why that came together as quickly as it did,

1484
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: so you're to your point UFC two ninety two. This

1485
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: is a scheduled for Boston on August nineteenth. I have

1486
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: seen by the way that the Irish media saying we

1487
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: should put a bunch of Irish fighters on this card.

1488
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: I agree with him. I think that's exactly the right

1489
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: thing to do. Sean O'Malley has the Irish name BC,

1490
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: but I don't think he claims the heritage necessarily. Jong

1491
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: Wi Lee and the comin event defending her title against Amandalaimosh.

1492
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I guess it would be better for them

1493
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,560
Speaker 1: to go Jeong Whi Lee versus Jan show Na. But

1494
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: looks to me BC like they needed to just book

1495
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: a fucking fight, make it happen, get this announcement out,

1496
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: so they rushed this. Here's what I don't understand. Here's

1497
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: what I understand. Is Sterling versus O'Malley a bad fight,

1498
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: not at all. It's the fight that makes the most sense.

1499
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: But did I miss here? Was not al Jamine Sterling

1500
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: on the MMA Hour just the day before this announcement

1501
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: saying he wasn't sure if he was going to be

1502
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: ready to fight O'Malley in August, and then the next

1503
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: day there's this announcement. Again, I don't know for sure

1504
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: that this fight is or isn't happening, but I would

1505
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: wait for independent verification to be sure.

1506
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got some questions about that. There's also rumors

1507
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: that's a hudo versus Morob could also be that night

1508
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 2: on this card, Luke, Which would I think really even

1509
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: amp up the main event. You almost have like a

1510
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 2: final four right there of the top Bandam weights in

1511
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 2: the best division in the sport, So that would be

1512
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: very interesting. I don't understand Jeong Wi Lee here, Luke.

1513
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: I was the only one who wanted that Rose trilogy.

1514
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 2: Apparently to me, it's historic. It's the two best fighters

1515
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 2: in the division. The champion has refurbished in Jong wy Lee,

1516
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: but she lost twice in a row to the Great Rose.

1517
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: They both have done nothing for like almost a year.

1518
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 2: Why did that fight not get made? I don't know.

1519
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 2: But why are we rushing Amanda leemotionto this fight? Is

1520
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 2: it because she's thirty five, Luke, I don't know. My

1521
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 2: point is this, if you have a window to make

1522
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 2: Jung Vai Lee versus Yan Channan, and it didn't seem

1523
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: like Shannan took a lot of damn edge or had

1524
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: an injury. If you have a window to make a

1525
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 2: potential historic giant fight like that in China, don't you

1526
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 2: do it? Or does this suggest that that fight takes time?

1527
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 2: And Jong Wailey's been out for so long already, let's

1528
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 2: just make this happen. It just doesn't feel like the

1529
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 2: rankings wise, it doesn't make sense.

1530
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for folks that don't know, as BC indicated,

1531
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: Carla is sitting at one, Roses at two, she is available.

1532
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: Rose competed at the recent EIGHTYCC trials like last weekend,

1533
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: and then Yon shaw Nan sitting at three, Amanda sitting

1534
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: at four. She's on a two fight win streak after

1535
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: getting finished by just Gone Roge or maybe two or

1536
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: even three. Let me go back and check. Yeah, she

1537
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: beat Michelle Waterson Gomez and Marina Hadriguez to win this

1538
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: title shot BC, which seems a little weird, and then

1539
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: Angela Hill and Montserrat Ruiz before that, did she beat

1540
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: a single top five competitor to get this title shot.

1541
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that she did, to be quite honest

1542
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: with you. So that's kind of weird that she got

1543
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: this title shot. For those reasons do. There's no doubt

1544
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: in my mind that they rush this one, just there's

1545
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: no other explanation.

1546
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: Rose hasn't fought since last May when she lost a

1547
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: spars Spars is out on.

1548
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: Pregnancy, maternity leave basically maternity leave.

1549
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 2: Excuse me for screwing that up. And then obviously we

1550
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: haven't seen Jong Wailly since last November, so it hasn't

1551
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: been like a stupid amount of time, but it's been

1552
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 2: like enough where here's my only issue though, Amandolimo's good

1553
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 2: as fighter, like you know what I mean? Like she

1554
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: might she might win this, Like seriously, this division unlikely,

1555
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: incredible parody in a lot of ways. I just don't

1556
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: know why you would then risky. Okay, Maybe the UFC

1557
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 2: doesn't covet a Rose trilogy with Wayley for the title

1558
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 2: like I do. Maybe they think you can make that

1559
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: fight anyway who cares? And maybe they don't covert this

1560
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: Yon shaan On fight as much as I think they should,

1561
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 2: because if they.

1562
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: They, I guarantee, I guarantee they do. They have masters

1563
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: to serve. They have to do pay per views basically

1564
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: thirteen times a year. They need title fights on them.

1565
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: They didn't have one for two ninety one, so they

1566
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: just they just pulled the BMF title out of wherever

1567
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: place it was and then you know, reinstituted it here.

1568
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: And Sterling versus O'Malley is pretty big, but they have

1569
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: to keep the other ones in rotation. So they were

1570
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: just like, fuck it, let's we just got to make

1571
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: it like it seems to me like this is very

1572
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: much calendar driven, not like what's the best place and

1573
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: time to put this fight driven, And so you get

1574
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: this as a kind us.

1575
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 2: Know that Morob could be heading into hand surgery today,

1576
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: he believes, which maybe pushes off the idea of him

1577
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 2: fighting so hudo instantly, although Morob I think told Dariol

1578
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: that he wants that fight next and he'll be back

1579
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: as soon as he can. And also, Luke Mikey believes

1580
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,919
Speaker 2: you agree with this that the return of the BMF

1581
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: title is only so that Connor McGregor can have a

1582
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: title to fight for win or lose. I'm adding winner lose.

1583
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 2: I think he's suggesting win, win or lose against Michael

1584
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 2: Chandler and their tough matchup as coaches. Luke, is that true?

1585
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: Is there any connection there?

1586
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you exclude him from that right now,

1587
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: they're putting it in the only way. No, and even

1588
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: then you wouldn't exclude it because it's not a one

1589
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: to fifty five thing. Like if Connor wants the winner

1590
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: of that or wherever he ends up, and then he

1591
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: wants it, they'll just make it whatever weight the fight

1592
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: is gonna be at one fifty five, one seventy whatever,

1593
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter.

1594
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: So no, it would just give him a creative way

1595
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: to make Connor non title fight super important.

1596
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, or seemingly like.

1597
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: He indicated, the Chandler fight's not signed yet, Luke, still

1598
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 2: not signed? You sign?

1599
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: What is the story with that one? Do we have

1600
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: any update to that?

1601
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 2: Nope, and the USADA things still not figured out. The

1602
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 2: only update we have is I mentioned it on our

1603
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: last show. Dana told the media that they hope to

1604
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: have a deal by like the end of the Tough

1605
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: airing season the Tough reality show like that's starting soon. Interesting,

1606
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 2: by the way, you and I, as you pointed out,

1607
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: we're also in the econom McGregor Netflix series McGregor Forever,

1608
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 2: whatever the hell it's called. Luke, We're in there, dude.

1609
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: Episode four, it appears.

1610
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, Luke, I'm in the andre Ward showtime doc

1611
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 2: June second.

1612
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: Right, are you really?

1613
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1614
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 2: And it's like a shout out to me back in

1615
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 2: back in twenty fourteen and when I was still at ESPN.

1616
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: I don't know where they found this footage because I

1617
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: don't think there's actually a copy of it anywhere, but

1618
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: I was in there, Luke, all.

1619
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: Right, what were you saying, andre Ward is a beach

1620
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: something like that?

1621
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's what I said.

1622
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, as a reminder, we're expecting Eric Nixon. He

1623
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: actually texted me. So I think we're gonna be good

1624
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: to go in about ten minutes. See, with the ten

1625
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: minutes we have here, and we can obviously hit some

1626
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: on the back end too.

1627
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we may have to shelf some of our original

1628
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: offerings here just to you know.

1629
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, Well, let's talk quickly if we can.

1630
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: What we know from UFC Fight Night Dern versus Hill

1631
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: McKenzie Dern at one fifteen fighting Angela Hill McKenzie durn

1632
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: a twelve and three record, but BC she's riding while

1633
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: she's one one in her last three. By contrast, Angela

1634
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 1: Hill enters this contest with a record of fifteen and twelve,

1635
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: which is nearly five hundred. However, she is entering off

1636
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: of a win two wins in a row, actually Emily

1637
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: Ducatti and then Lu Pizza or Loopy Go Dinez BC.

1638
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: I did a tape study on Mackenzie Dern. I hear

1639
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: everyone say, oh, she just you know, she could just

1640
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: work on her wrestling, If she could just work on

1641
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: other stuff, she would be good to go. Actually that's

1642
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: really not true. I mean, obviously her jiu jitsu is good,

1643
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: but she has to me really not adapted that either.

1644
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 1: I went through and showed like there are a lot

1645
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: of moments where she rides in certain positions or doesn't

1646
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: engage in pins to ground and bound in order to

1647
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: really open up opponents, which means the submission isn't there

1648
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: nearly as easily, and she just puts herself in mechanically

1649
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: disadvantageous positions. It's not just that the striking hasn't come

1650
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: along or the wrestling. The jiu jitsu is still, for

1651
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: the most part, in my judgment, much more geared to

1652
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: the sport rather than the MMA side. And I really

1653
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: don't know where she's at this point.

1654
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a legitimate concern there that last

1655
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 2: close up loss.

1656
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: Who is that?

1657
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 2: To Luke, it's it's running off the top of my head.

1658
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 2: Then for durn, yeah, she lost to what a majority

1659
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 2: decision in the five round.

1660
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: Out there to it, she lost a decision to yan

1661
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: chan Nan Yan.

1662
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 2: Chau Nan correct that that seemed to be another one

1663
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 2: of those like see, she's not ready for time primetime moments.

1664
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: When what does the promotion want to do? Make her

1665
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: a legitimate title contender? Because she's a star. It's why, Luke,

1666
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: she's main eventing here in a fight that we don't

1667
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: really think should be a main event, But it appears

1668
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 2: to the UFC is trying to ride the star power

1669
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 2: that she does bring. No, it's not a complete package.

1670
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 2: It may never be. We all have these same questions.

1671
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: But I have said it long ago and I'll stand

1672
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: by it. Luke, She's got nine lives privileges with me. Whereas,

1673
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 2: like I do think that the championship pedigree is in there. Yes,

1674
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 2: there's still out of work, still still major mistakes, still

1675
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: things that aren't complete, but I still think it's in there.

1676
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 2: Problem is, Luke, I don't love this fight. I don't

1677
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: even think it's going to be competitive, but the odds

1678
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 2: tell me I'm wrong. What do you think about the

1679
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: fact that Vegas has Hill as only a plus one

1680
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: forty five underdog thirty eight years old. I get the

1681
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 2: two fight win streak, and by the way that went

1682
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: over to Coatti, he's like solid. She looked good, Luke,

1683
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 2: but during only minus one seventy am I wrong to

1684
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 2: look at this matchup and be like, Oh, this is

1685
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: a Mackenzie durn showcase fight that is also a get

1686
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 2: well fight, that is also a main event just for

1687
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 2: her star power. I think that's the blunt truth, Luke BC.

1688
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: Angela Hill's takedowns per fifteen minutes. Her rate is point

1689
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: five to eight, pretty low, meaning for every one fight

1690
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: she's halfway towards the takedown, so every two fights she

1691
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: gets one if they go the distance, right, not much.

1692
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Dern is at point six ' one, she's barely better.

1693
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: How about this takedown accuracy for taking McKenzie Dearn eleven percent,

1694
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: Angela Hill twenty nine. Neither of those are great numbers.

1695
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: Eleven percent take down defense for Mackenzie darn forty percent,

1696
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: which of course is not you know who wants to

1697
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: take her down all that much, but one.

1698
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 2: Find a way to take the fight to the ground.

1699
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: Though this is a match again, She's she's gonna find

1700
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 2: a way to bring this fight to the ground. And

1701
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 2: I don't think Hill's striking is a threat to stop

1702
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 2: her or dominate her.

1703
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: I totally disagree. Hill lands five point six to eight

1704
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,759
Speaker 1: strikes per minute for a ranked fighter. That is very high.

1705
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: She could absolutely rain on her. Now could she put

1706
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: a lot? Here's what we know about Mackenzie. She doesn't

1707
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 1: lose her composure standing right, and she doesn't lose composure

1708
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: over the course of a fight in terms of punishment,

1709
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: Like she really can grit and bear through it, which

1710
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: I do give her a lot of credit for. I

1711
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: think in some ways she's actually suited for that with

1712
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: her grappling game being able to make the transition to MMA.

1713
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: But the problem is strikes landing permitted for her three

1714
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: strikes subsord permitted for her four point three nine. She

1715
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 1: gets bombed on and doesn't have a reliable way to

1716
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: get the fight to the floor. Ever. Now you might

1717
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: say she could pull guard against Angela Hill and do

1718
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: something from there. Yes, that seems to me some kind

1719
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: of a legitimate threat that you have to take seriously.

1720
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: And I see why she is the favorite. I get that,

1721
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: but I gotta tell you, I don't I agree with

1722
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: the odds makers. I don't think she should be the

1723
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: favorite by any substantial margins, not to say she couldn't

1724
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: go in there and backpack Angel Hill in thirty seconds

1725
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: and then.

1726
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 2: I think she's gonna get a second round submission, Luke,

1727
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 2: But I'll hold that thought for Friday, as we will

1728
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 2: the rest of this card. Luke, I believe we've got

1729
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: a very special guest ready in the bullpen.

1730
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: He's quite ready, just yet, not quite ready just yet.

1731
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: Mikey will let us know. But I want to make

1732
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: this point BC before we get it going here. Okay,

1733
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: now we got them going. I just want to point

1734
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: out I think that mackenzie durned submission skills, while not

1735
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: adapted for MMA properly, are enough to give her the

1736
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: nod as the odds on favorite. But remember, even the

1737
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: one win she has against t Sha Torres was a

1738
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: split decision. She is lucky to not be riding a

1739
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: three fight losing.

1740
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got holes in her game, but I think

1741
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 2: Hill's stats work better on a certain level of competition

1742
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: that she beats, she doesn't beat when she steps up.

1743
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: Luke, I don't know that this is the step up

1744
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 1: that you imagine it is. Well, we shall see, we

1745
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: shall see. Okay, let's put that to the side for

1746
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: just a moment. Let's put it to the side for

1747
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: just a moment. Let's get joined by the head coach

1748
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: at Extreme Coutur. And of course he is the head

1749
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: coach for at least the Frances and Ganho many other fighters.

1750
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: He is my friend in yours. It's Eric Nixon. Hi, Eric,

1751
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: how are you?

1752
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 6: What's up? Fellas? Miss you guys man?

1753
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: I know, I know, last time we were go in Vegas,

1754
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: we didn't have enough time. Next time we got to

1755
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: really come through and spend some time at the gym.

1756
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: But okay, let's pitch.

1757
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: To hold on.

1758
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 4: Eric.

1759
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 2: I mean, don't mean to cut you off, Luke, But Eric,

1760
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: you know I appreciate that you played ball during our

1761
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 2: London live show and you were willing to show Luke

1762
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 2: your hog because potentially dicey situation there, and I just

1763
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: wanted to say I appreciate that, bro.

1764
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 6: Right when I got the text, I'm like, something's up,

1765
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 6: all right?

1766
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Uh, yesterday a big day.

1767
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,879
Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to the day actually

1768
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: and from your perspective and what you've seen, give us

1769
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: how a sense of how Francis has been over the

1770
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: last four months.

1771
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 7: Well, when when we knew that he was going to

1772
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 7: sign the deal, he called me and uh, you know,

1773
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 7: a little much too much TMI. But I was going

1774
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 7: to the bathroom and he kept like face timing. I

1775
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 7: kept the client on. I'm like and finally he's like, bro,

1776
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 7: answer your phone. So I answered the phone. He goes,

1777
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 7: how come you don answered? We go to the bathroom, man,

1778
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 7: He goes, I got some big news. We're signing today.

1779
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 7: And I was like, all right, man, like you know,

1780
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 7: let's do it. And he goes, I want you on

1781
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 7: the phone. We're gonna FaceTime where I'm going to the bathroom.

1782
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 7: He's like, yeah, maybe. As he goes to sign, he's like,

1783
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 7: wait a minute, it's on my phone. I got to

1784
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 7: hang up and sign it and I'll call you back.

1785
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 7: So it was the HAPPIESTUF I've ever seen him, man,

1786
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 7: I mean really, like obviously when he beats Steepe, I

1787
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,440
Speaker 7: think that was uh, you know, there's levels of that happiness,

1788
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 7: but it was visible. It was visible to me. It

1789
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 7: was a weight lifted off his shoulders, and he was

1790
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 7: happy about the decision. And the first thing he brought

1791
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 7: up to me was was PFL Africa, you know, he said,

1792
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 7: And a couple other things he mentioned too, And to

1793
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 7: the credit of PFL, he mentioned that they were always there.

1794
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 6: They weren't ever.

1795
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 7: Pressuring him, they were never pushing the situation, they weren't overbearing,

1796
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 7: they weren't trying to get him to make a decision

1797
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 7: on anything. They I think respected his wishes on trying

1798
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 7: to find what suited him best, and they said, hey,

1799
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 7: no problem, We're always going to be here for you.

1800
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 7: And those are little things I think that like when

1801
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 7: I mean, I know Francis to love that I know him,

1802
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 7: those things that are the things that he appreciates the most.

1803
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 6: So I think that's really really felt like he was

1804
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 6: wanted the most.

1805
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: Let me follow up if I may, which is you know,

1806
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: you know Randy Cotre andously you know Francis. These are

1807
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: two figures who have butted heads with promoters really over

1808
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: the course of their career, and I wonder seeing some

1809
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: of the reactions yesterday, I think a lot of people

1810
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: were posit the different Francis, but of course there were

1811
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people that were negative about it as well.

1812
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: But you also probably lived through Katur having some of

1813
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,919
Speaker 1: his issues as well. What lesson do you draw about

1814
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: the sport and the fighters who try to do things

1815
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,520
Speaker 1: like they do and what kind of challenges they're up against.

1816
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I was here when Randy had that press

1817
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 6: conference at Extreme Coutur where he announced that he was

1818
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 6: going to sit out or you know, I think it

1819
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 6: was prior to the Tim Sylvia fight and all those

1820
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 6: issues that he had when they didn't sign Fador. So

1821
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 6: I was here. I saw that firsthand.

1822
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 7: But you know, I have the best history teacher in

1823
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 7: the world when it comes to MMA, whether it's on

1824
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 7: the mats or whether it becomes business, it's Randy Catour.

1825
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 6: And Randy was, to his credit, he was a resource.

1826
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 7: He wasn't ever trying to tell Francis what to do

1827
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 7: and what not to do, but his door is always

1828
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 7: open if you will. So when when stuff like this

1829
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 7: came down the pipe, it was it was very easy

1830
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 7: to pick up the phone and talk to Randy about

1831
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 7: it through his own experiences, and you know, just from

1832
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 7: an an analytical standpoint, like he was like, hey, here's

1833
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 7: the things I think they're going to do or X,

1834
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 7: Y and Z, but here's what I think your worth

1835
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 7: might be. And you know, and never told him where

1836
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 7: he thought he should go or anything like that, just

1837
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 7: almost his own experience.

1838
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 6: And that's and that's really you know, a.

1839
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 7: Guy like Randy Caturre, no matter what it is, when

1840
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 7: he talks, you listen, and he was.

1841
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 6: He was a great help for all of us.

1842
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: Coach. I've really, really really respected Francis throughout this process publicly,

1843
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: never breaking emotionally. I mean, you know, he's been free

1844
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: agent for four months and people are trying to act like,

1845
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 2: you know, he should go crawling back here, and look,

1846
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: he had this plan all along. You know what he's

1847
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 2: really made of. I feel like his name was dragged

1848
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 2: through the mug a lot, specifically by Dana White. But

1849
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 2: we don't need to get into the soap opera side

1850
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: of that, but justin how that weighs on a man

1851
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 2: like you know Francis better than I do. How does

1852
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 2: he deal with with all of that stuff, all the doubt,

1853
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 2: all the negativity and just kind of brush it off

1854
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 2: and stay focused on his mission.

1855
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 7: He's very cynical in a lot of ways, Like he

1856
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 7: has a pretty funny sense of humor. Or we make

1857
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 7: jokes about stuff, or we'll poke it stuff all send

1858
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 7: the means or stuff that people are saying, and we'll

1859
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 7: actually have a good chuckle about it.

1860
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 4: You know.

1861
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 6: But I think, b see what you nailed it, man.

1862
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 7: Like the thing that I was most disappointed about, and

1863
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 7: I think this is kind of where our society is

1864
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 7: today is people.

1865
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 6: Cheer for failure. They want to see people fail for

1866
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 6: no reason whatsoever.

1867
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 7: And I remind people like now, I even tweeted as

1868
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 7: to somebody, I was like, hey, success isn't finite. It's infinite,

1869
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 7: and there's enough to go around for everybody. You don't

1870
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 7: go to the store and say, hey we're fresh out

1871
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 7: of success. Sorry, you can't have anymore. Right, it's there

1872
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 7: for everybody. Why not cheer for people? Why not welcome

1873
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 7: that into your own heart and your own life and

1874
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 7: hope that people make the money that they deserve, or

1875
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 7: have that success, or find the value what they feel

1876
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 7: that they're worth. It was kind of disappointed to see

1877
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 7: some of that stuff because it really has no effect

1878
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 7: on them whatsoever. It doesn't matter. You're just on there

1879
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 7: saying shit, you know. So for Francis to kind of

1880
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 7: go through all that and just really brush it off.

1881
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 7: From what I saw, he didn't care about really anything.

1882
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 7: To be quite honest with you, We went to dinner

1883
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 7: last night and we're laughing about a lot of a

1884
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 7: lot of the tweets and means and everything else. So

1885
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 7: I think it's just the information that you take in, right,

1886
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 7: Like talk about your diet, it's what you eat. It's

1887
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 7: also what you're putting in your mind. So he's he's

1888
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 7: pretty iron cloud when it comes to that stuff, and

1889
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:14,839
Speaker 7: he never wavered on any of the state.

1890
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 2: And it's it's an incredible move, I believe, for his legacy.

1891
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 2: But like he's had such an incredible life journey to

1892
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 2: get here, and how you described for us your last

1893
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 2: visit with us, the breakdown of the pain he went

1894
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 2: through and getting not getting doctor's clearance for the Gonde fight,

1895
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 2: but still persevered, and we know what that meant to

1896
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 2: his contract. What do you think this decision says about

1897
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 2: what his true legacy you know, will be or is

1898
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 2: right now as a fighter.

1899
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's groundbreaking for this generation of combat sports.

1900
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 7: You know, he really bucked the trend and he broke

1901
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,320
Speaker 7: the mold and stepped outside the comfort zone of which

1902
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 7: most people are moved by money. Obviously, money does play

1903
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 7: a factor in things, but it's more his worth and

1904
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 7: he said it best in his post.

1905
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not a businessman.

1906
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 7: I'm a business man, right, so I think that it's

1907
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 7: going to open the eyes of other people within the

1908
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 7: sport and see what their worth might be, and whether

1909
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,600
Speaker 7: it's within the UFC or outside that organization.

1910
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 6: He said, a huge standard even for his opponent. Man like,

1911
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 6: who does this?

1912
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 7: This guy's out lobbying for his opponents to make sure

1913
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 7: that he makes at least two million dollars.

1914
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 6: That's going to bring people over.

1915
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 7: People are going to say, man like, I'm I saw

1916
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 7: the numbers for Jlton and Jorzinho main event. You know,

1917
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 7: you don't think those guys are looking man may I'll

1918
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 7: go over to PFL and fight for two million. So

1919
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 7: he's doing a lot of great things, I think BC

1920
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 7: and it's very innovative in this day and age of MMA.

1921
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: The other part of this deal that was I think

1922
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, there's a lot of it that's

1923
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: PFL is risking. There's some that Francis is risking, although

1924
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: the amount of guarantees he has are pretty great. But

1925
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about twenty twenty four. So I get the

1926
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: logic about why he wants to keep twenty twenty three

1927
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 1: open to box and then return in twenty twenty four.

1928
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: But for folks who got to remember, he gone in

1929
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,759
Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty two. So there is a couple

1930
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: of weird things. One, he might get a boxing fight,

1931
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: but that's different than MMA, of course, and then the

1932
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: other part is he may not get it, in which

1933
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: case he doesn't fight for two and a half years.

1934
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: You're his head coach. Walk me through what you guys

1935
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: are gonna do to prep him in all the directions

1936
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 1: he needs to be to get this to work, and

1937
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 1: maybe what concerns you have about navigating that process.

1938
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 6: Well, you know you and I talk about this all

1939
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 6: the time.

1940
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 7: Luke is in between camps is when you are looking

1941
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 7: to grow and you're looking to make your game better

1942
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 7: in areas that maybe you weren't working on when you

1943
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 7: get into camp.

1944
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 6: It's very specific to opponent in your game plan, and.

1945
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 7: That's where we thrive our best and we've got to

1946
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 7: see that out of Francis, you know. But the between

1947
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 7: Jarzinho and Stepe and then the gone fight, there's new

1948
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 7: tools that we were able to show. And I think

1949
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 7: that's the most important part when it comes to MMA,

1950
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 7: is the constant evolution of the sport. That you're able

1951
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 7: to keep doing those things in the training room, which

1952
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 7: is very important. And you know, unfortunately, because of all

1953
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 7: this stuff going on, the last time he was really

1954
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 7: doing hard pro practice was in December, he went back home.

1955
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 7: Then he came back and he has been still rehabbing

1956
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 7: his knee and working through some of that stuff. But

1957
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 7: all the while, now that he's been back home, he's

1958
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 7: back on the pads with myself and Dewey.

1959
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 6: He's been back to pro practice and doing those things

1960
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 6: as well.

1961
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 7: But for me as a coach, to answer your question, man,

1962
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 7: I like having our guys in here full time and growing,

1963
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,759
Speaker 7: But not only that, the camaraderie and being.

1964
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 6: Around the team, I think it's very important as well.

1965
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,639
Speaker 7: Now when he does decided trans over transition over to boxing,

1966
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 7: you know, I think it's gonna be different for all

1967
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 7: of us. I think, you know, we talked about who

1968
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 7: would coach him for boxing. We don't really have an idea.

1969
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 7: He's not the easiest guy to hold pads for either.

1970
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 7: Let me tell you, and myself and Dewey, you know,

1971
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 7: we can hold pads for him, but it's gonna be

1972
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 7: specific on what what certain coaches want. Dewey does coach

1973
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 7: boxers man, and he's a very good boxing coach, so

1974
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 7: if he wants to keep it in house, I think

1975
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 7: he's able to do that as well. So there's a

1976
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 7: lot of questions I think we still all have with

1977
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 7: this situation. But in my mind, it was like, oh, OK,

1978
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 7: one step at a time, let's get this done and

1979
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 7: then we'll move on to this next thing. As long

1980
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 7: as his ass is in this gym and he's getting

1981
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 7: his work in, then I feel a lot better about

1982
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 7: the situation.

1983
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: If he had signed with UFC back in December or

1984
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: January or whatever, and let's say there was a big

1985
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: renounce Ryb's maybe let's say yesterday was an announcement that

1986
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 1: he was going to rejoin UFC or something. Right in

1987
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: your mind, how soon would he be ready to fight?

1988
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: Would probably be John Jones, So I guess I'll ask

1989
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: it that way. How long would it take in your

1990
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: mind from today to be ready for a challenge like that.

1991
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 6: If if I had my way about it, I would

1992
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 6: say July.

1993
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 7: I think July would be the perfect date because all

1994
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 7: obviously international fight week, but the time in between of

1995
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 7: preparation and making sure that you know, we game plan

1996
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 7: for him, we did things in the past because remember

1997
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 7: you know, when we beat Steve at Miochich in Marks

1998
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty one, we were told all leading up

1999
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 7: to that the winner out of our fight is going

2000
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 7: to fight John. So you know, we had research done,

2001
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 7: we've had we had game plans done, and then it

2002
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 7: was back burner, backburn or back burner. So really just

2003
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 7: kind of getting back into in like that that car

2004
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 7: that's been sitting in the garage for five years, you

2005
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 7: just got to turn the engine on and get going again.

2006
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 6: But to be fair, I think you know, July had

2007
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 6: been the perfect date for us.

2008
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: Okay, last one for me on this particular issue, namely,

2009
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: you know France's heavyweight ages, well, so it's not like

2010
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: he's old. I think he's thirty six, will be thirty

2011
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: seven or so in September or something like that, so

2012
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: he's not old, but he will have missed between thirty

2013
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 1: five and thirty seven, if he doesn't end up competing

2014
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: until about this time next year, do you worry about

2015
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: losing what is sort of like not quite a heavyweight prime,

2016
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: but thirty five to thirty seven can be a quite

2017
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 1: lucrative time for winning for a top end heavyweight.

2018
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 7: I mean you can, you can, you can worry about it,

2019
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 7: but I mean I really don't have a choice at

2020
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 7: this point. So you know, it doesn't really matter now,

2021
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 7: Like we can't cry over spilled milk, it's it's moved forward.

2022
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 7: I'll tell you this. He still hits hard as shit.

2023
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 7: You know, he still punches. He'll still knock a mule

2024
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 7: out if he had to. But at the end the day,

2025
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 7: like we were talking earlier, to me, it's about growth

2026
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 7: and progression in your in your craft.

2027
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 6: What tools are you adding to the tool shed?

2028
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 7: Those things are important to me and and and by

2029
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 7: doing so, when you get certain opponents, you're able to

2030
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 7: change your look. You don't have to be reliant on

2031
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 7: the one hit power. You're still able to wrestle, You're

2032
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 7: still to do some other things. So that would be

2033
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 7: my one worry is obviously time in the gym of growth.

2034
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 7: That's That's the one thing that kind of bugs me

2035
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 7: about the whole situation.

2036
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 2: Coach, how much do you believe the wrestling that you

2037
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 2: guys used to beat God? And you know, to be fair,

2038
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 2: I think there was only one man in the world

2039
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 2: that saw that coming besides your team and Francis, you know,

2040
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 2: and that well you're looking at him. But Francis pulled

2041
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 2: that off. And I you know, we've always said that

2042
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,719
Speaker 2: the ground upon he showed him the steep a rematch

2043
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 2: was like Lesnar versus me are like, I mean, it

2044
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 2: was like damn. How much did that open the idea

2045
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 2: for you guys as a team that this is a

2046
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 2: great direction that could round out his game moving forward?

2047
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 6: Well, it was.

2048
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 7: It was the approach that we had to take with them.

2049
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 7: And we are actually talking about that last night at dinner,

2050
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 7: and I think, you know, each fighter, you have to

2051
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 7: my dad always say that you have to have a

2052
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 7: ball of Janitor keys, right, each door is a different key.

2053
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 6: Keith opens a different door. How is your approach with it?

2054
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 7: And I remember sitting with Francis and talking about the

2055
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 7: things he didn't like, or the things that he was

2056
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 7: afraid of, or how you know, made him feel when

2057
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 7: he wrestled. So I had an idea of what I

2058
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 7: wanted to do is I wanted to flip the script.

2059
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 7: I wanted to make it fun for him in a

2060
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 7: way where instead of thinking about defensive wrestling and defending

2061
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 7: takedowns over and over and over again, I wanted him

2062
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 7: to learn offensive wrestling. Let's take people down, let's beat

2063
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 7: people up on top. Let's give this dude a new

2064
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 7: shiny toy where he's like, oh shit, this is fun.

2065
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 7: But inherently what's going to happen when you do offense.

2066
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 7: You're going to learn defense, you're going to wrestle. So

2067
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 7: it was almost kind of just a little trick that

2068
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 7: we try to use on him, and it worked and

2069
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 7: later on all they wanted to do, like in rounds

2070
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 7: is take people down and ground and pound and beat

2071
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 7: him up where we had to tell him, Heybell, you

2072
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 7: got to stand this guy back up. It's a TKO

2073
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 7: or he just can't get up, you know. So giving

2074
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 7: him a new and a new resource really opened his

2075
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 7: eyes to you know, I think all the values of

2076
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 7: what full MMA skill sets can happen, So you know,

2077
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 7: credits to him. He's the one that you know believed

2078
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,759
Speaker 7: in it was in here during COVID. Myself and Randy,

2079
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 7: we spent a lot of time together and I took

2080
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 7: my hass beatens man.

2081
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,600
Speaker 6: You know, there was a lot There's no.

2082
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 7: Other bodies in here, so it's me, Randy and Francis,

2083
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 7: so we had a lot of help.

2084
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:24,799
Speaker 6: Dennis Davis and Nate Pettitt.

2085
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 7: They run the wrestling program in here, and you've seen

2086
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:30,720
Speaker 7: the guys like Chris Curtis, Satabu c. You know, these

2087
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,799
Speaker 7: guys are able to defend takedowns and that enhance their striking.

2088
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 7: They're more confident in what they're able to do on

2089
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 7: the feet because they're not worried about getting taken down,

2090
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 7: and if they are taken down, they bounce right back up,

2091
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 7: you know, Brats of Ours for example.

2092
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 4: Right.

2093
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 7: So to me, it's a lot about the program and

2094
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 7: the system that we have here.

2095
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 2: To shrink guitar, Yeah, yeah, no doubt whether or not

2096
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 2: you end up being part of France's team. In the

2097
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,679
Speaker 2: boxing transition, it's been a little bit hit or missed

2098
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 2: at times when guys make that transition from MMM to boxing.

2099
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: I think if anything, and we look at Connor against Floyd,

2100
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 2: it's like he looked the part, But I don't know

2101
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 2: if the transition between stance has really worked in producing

2102
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 2: the kind of power that he was known for in MMA.

2103
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 2: Talk to me about how you would guess Francis would

2104
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 2: transition beyond just having otherworldly power that gloves or not

2105
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 2: would wreck a farm animal.

2106
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 7: I think you would be silly if you try to

2107
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 7: approach a fight and try to outbox a guy who's

2108
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 7: been doing it their entire life, and so, well, what

2109
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,240
Speaker 7: tools can we use from our MMA skill set? Well,

2110
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 7: the first thing I noticed when we sparred Joe Joyce

2111
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 7: was when we try to outbox Joe just with jobs

2112
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 7: and crosses and just you know, rudimentual boxing, we were

2113
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 7: getting smoked. And then we came in the corner and

2114
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 7: I was like, hey man, why don't we start doing

2115
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 7: our stuff, and let's get in some stance switches and

2116
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 7: getting into some level changes and you know, stand switches

2117
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 7: within motion. We'll store a right hand and roll into

2118
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 7: a left overhand and do things that aren't really a

2119
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 7: custom in traditional boxing, and let's see how let's how we.

2120
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 6: Do with this, And sure, a shit b C.

2121
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 7: He was, he was cracking him and he hit him

2122
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 7: with like a switch cross hook, and Joe Joyce is like,

2123
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 7: wait a minute, he didn't expect He never expected that

2124
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 7: that's something that these guys don't see on a regular basis,

2125
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 7: So like, why why would we show up and try

2126
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 7: to beat them what they're already great at. We need

2127
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 7: to come up with new wrinkles and new ideas and

2128
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 7: new concepts that maybe they haven't seen, maybe they're not

2129
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 7: accustomed to, right, Like when you see guys switching stances

2130
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,640
Speaker 7: not not You know a lot of guys can do it,

2131
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 7: but it's not a regular thing that I think these

2132
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 7: guys in boxing really handle.

2133
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 6: So that does that mean we're gonna come in there

2134
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 6: and smoke everybody in boxing?

2135
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 4: No?

2136
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 6: But I think it gives us a little bit of

2137
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 6: a different approach than most.

2138
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 2: And it's uh, in terms of the ambition, do you

2139
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 2: feel like knowing him and talking to him that this

2140
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:50,759
Speaker 2: is one time this year, let's max out the money,

2141
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 2: let's get a legitimate name and and you know, heck,

2142
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 2: if it ends up leading to something, that's fine. Or

2143
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 2: is he hoping that this leads to something because you know,

2144
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 2: we know he's gonna be back in the cage in

2145
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and this will mean a lot to

2146
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 2: the larger MMA sphere of whether PFL can use Francis

2147
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 2: as bait and make monster fights and that'll keep him

2148
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: there one and done for boxing for right now, How

2149
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 2: do you look, guys, look at that.

2150
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 7: I I don't think it's one and done. But I mean, look,

2151
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 7: we're all still sitting around waiting on this whole boxing thing,

2152
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 7: right Like there's not been There hasn't been a lot

2153
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 7: of movement. I know there's been names brought up and

2154
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 7: everything else for him, but you know, I would like

2155
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 7: to just get something down and know. But from the

2156
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 7: way he sounds, man, it's not one and done. He

2157
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,719
Speaker 7: might do two or three and then with the freedom

2158
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 7: of what PFL is offering with their deals, he can

2159
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,680
Speaker 7: mix and mix those fights in and you know, hit

2160
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 7: an MMA fight, get into boxing and do it all

2161
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 7: over again. So if he if he decides to box

2162
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 7: and do two or three men, he's got my full support.

2163
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 6: I'm happy for him, and I hope he makes as

2164
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 6: much money as he can.

2165
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,839
Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk about something else that Francis

2166
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: mentioned which I thought was for you pretty interesting, namely

2167
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 1: that he could take a tune up fight, a tune

2168
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 1: up boxing fight. What what kind of an opponent would

2169
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 1: you be seeking in that circumstance, because that could be

2170
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: risky if they're at all like with a big name.

2171
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: So walk me through what that looks like in your mind.

2172
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's BC's world, man, that boxing world.

2173
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 6: I have no idea.

2174
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 7: I just know that some of the names that I

2175
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 7: saw on the list, Uh, you know, there there are

2176
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 7: some trap fights.

2177
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:29,280
Speaker 6: There are some trap fights.

2178
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't know about boxing that dude, man, Like,

2179
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 7: you know, I think you go out and try to

2180
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 7: maximize your value right away. And to me that the

2181
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 7: guy that was the most willing dance partner was Wilder.

2182
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 6: So and I don't know, I have no idea where

2183
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 6: that's at anymore.

2184
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 7: So, but I'm with you, Luke, like you you go

2185
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 7: out and you try to box some some young kids,

2186
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 7: some up and comer, and you get tuned up. Man, Like,

2187
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 7: how does that work for your value? I really don't know.

2188
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 7: And I don't know the boxing industry like that. So

2189
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 7: you know, it might work out for him, it might not.

2190
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 7: I don't know, But I feel like, you go and

2191
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 7: go try to maximize your value right now and box

2192
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 7: one of the top three. Go get Joshua Wilder or Fury.

2193
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 7: If that's something that's on the table for him.

2194
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: Well, walk me through just a little bit the taxonomy

2195
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: of Las Vegas gyms. Is there any kind of I

2196
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: guess Dewey Cooper kind of crosses both, but like, is

2197
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: there any kind of integration between the boxing gyms and

2198
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 1: the MMA gyms in Las Vegas in any capacity?

2199
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 7: Me and Capaitillo we coached quite a bit together, and

2200
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 7: you know, I send guys over to him because I

2201
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,800
Speaker 7: think it's important. There's guys in the room that think

2202
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 7: that they don't have defensive flaws in their MMA game

2203
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 7: and they can get away with this, this and that.

2204
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 7: I'm like, man, I'll tell you what I got it.

2205
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 7: There's thirteen year old kids over here that'll take your

2206
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 7: head off. You need to go box over Capitios and

2207
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 7: guys will go over there and spar and they're like,

2208
01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 7: oh boy. You know, and I think that I think

2209
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 7: there's a there's a level to this, and when you're

2210
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 7: able to step outside your comfort zone and go experience

2211
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,719
Speaker 7: that level, it's important. And you know, to be honest

2212
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 7: with you, Luke, I'm a big open door guy. Man,

2213
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 7: you've been in my gym. I got coaches from all

2214
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 7: around the world that will be here, be in town.

2215
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,639
Speaker 7: I always allow people in. I don't think there's any

2216
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 7: secrets in this game. You know, it's all about the energy.

2217
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:13,400
Speaker 7: So if guys want to train elsewhere or get other looks,

2218
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 7: I think it's important.

2219
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 3: Man.

2220
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 7: I don't think you should hold anybody down and not

2221
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,560
Speaker 7: allow of guys at train in when it comes to

2222
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 7: boxing gyms, I welcome that. I think it's a good

2223
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 7: look for them.

2224
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 1: All right, One more on Francis and then I want

2225
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,759
Speaker 1: to talk about Chris Curtis actually because it's actually relevant

2226
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: given what happened last weekend to Cody Stamen. But last

2227
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 1: one on this we started the show talking about this,

2228
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: which was it wasn't just like Francis having to get

2229
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,719
Speaker 1: deal with like slander from other people or like bad things,

2230
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: the amount of actual fake news news that is reported

2231
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,759
Speaker 1: that ended up like literally having no bearing on the truth.

2232
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: I wonder, as a coach and someone who participates in

2233
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:50,479
Speaker 1: media at times here you are on our show, what

2234
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 1: you make of that, and like what fighters or whoever

2235
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 1: is up against in an industry that will just print

2236
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:57,719
Speaker 1: basically whatever.

2237
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think over time we all started to see that.

2238
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 7: And I think again, like we were saying earlier, you

2239
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,840
Speaker 7: have a choice to filter what you see and don't

2240
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 7: see on Instagram and Twitter, you know.

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01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 6: I think a couple of weeks ago, I just I just.

2242
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 7: Deactivated my Instagram just because of access, like everybody can

2243
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 7: get a hold of you.

2244
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 6: It's like, man, I wanted to focus on my family.

2245
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:18,200
Speaker 7: I had some family stuff going on, so it's like

2246
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 7: I didn't want to be bothered by anything. So I

2247
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 7: encourage people to kind of get off of that social

2248
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 7: media platform and stop reading in all the bs, you know,

2249
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 7: because gather your facts first and instead of retweeting it

2250
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 7: or jumping on it or not really understanding. I remember,

2251
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 7: I think the one thing I ended up posting in

2252
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,160
Speaker 7: for a while was some guy said Francis was offered

2253
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 7: eight million per fight for the UFC, and I'm like, no,

2254
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 7: it wasn't. It was eight million for the John Jones fight,

2255
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 7: and that was a lot of money, and I completely

2256
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 7: understand that. But each fight thereafter that was not the

2257
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 7: same pay structure and there was a lot of differences there.

2258
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 7: That's why Francis was like well, I don't know. I'm

2259
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 7: risking a lot taking this, and then if this happens

2260
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,720
Speaker 7: and this he's a thinker. He's just not going to

2261
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 7: jump on something and sign on the dog line, you know,

2262
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 7: because people think that that's a good deal for them.

2263
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 6: It wasn't a good deal for him, you know.

2264
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 7: So I think as much as you want to buy

2265
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 7: into social media, Luke and look at those things, the

2266
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 7: more it's going to consume you and eat at you.

2267
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 7: So I just got to the point where, man, I'm

2268
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 7: gonna even turn it on my Twitter. I might be

2269
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 7: looking at the thing. I'll tweet something, I'll troll something,

2270
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 7: and I'll just send it and not even.

2271
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 1: Look post and ghost. All right, let me switch gears

2272
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: if I can. I wonder, as a coach, what you

2273
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 1: feel like you can do. Maybe the answer is nothing,

2274
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 1: But I've been thinking about a lot. So Chris Curtis,

2275
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: who trains with you, he clashes heads with Kelvin Gaskelin.

2276
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 1: They don't recognize it in real time. He basically gets

2277
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 1: knocked out and has to wake up, loses as a consequence,

2278
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 1: and he has no real recourse. Cody Staman gets illegally

2279
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 1: kicked while his opponent's on the ground and he's down

2280
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 1: as well, and then they restart him on the feet.

2281
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: As a coach, what do you tell your fighter about

2282
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: this afterwards? What can you do reasonably going forward to

2283
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: prepare them for consequences like this? Well, how do you

2284
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:02,440
Speaker 1: assess the rank commission on fairness? And it's not necessarily

2285
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:04,600
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas all the time either, what do you

2286
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 1: do about that? If anything?

2287
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 6: Can I add one more?

2288
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 7: Uh hafaela sunsal and the cage grab against Davey Grant

2289
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 7: and Keith Peterson taking a point away but not giving

2290
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 7: the position back, you know, and that cost him the fight.

2291
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 6: That cost him the fight. Now credit to Keith Peterson.

2292
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 7: Now, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this,

2293
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 7: but he pulled me aside and we had a great

2294
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 7: conversation and it was a human error, right, There's things

2295
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 7: he could have done better, and he admitted to that.

2296
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,000
Speaker 7: And look, we're aw human beings, and I'm okay with that.

2297
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 7: The Kelvin Gasolon Chris Curtis fight, Luke, I'll be honest

2298
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 7: with you, man. Like my vantage point, I didn't see

2299
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 7: the clash of heads. I saw the reaction to Chris

2300
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 7: and I was like, what happened? Later on I found

2301
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 7: out I saw it was a class ahead, so I

2302
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 7: missed it.

2303
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 6: I think it was.

2304
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 7: Pretty easy for Mark Otter to be able to miss

2305
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 7: it too. You know, you wish you were able to

2306
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 7: go back and change that. I think Mark Otter is

2307
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 7: a great referee, and I think if he would have

2308
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 7: saw it firsthand, he would have taken the appropriate actions

2309
01:45:58,600 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 7: to do so.

2310
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 6: But I think there needs to be a little.

2311
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 7: Bit more with the Commission and not necessarily holding people accountable,

2312
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 7: but allowing that review. And the hard part about it

2313
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 7: is is the Commission is the judge, jury, and executioner

2314
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 7: of their own people, and they don't want to look bad.

2315
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 7: So if you know, if I'm in trouble and I

2316
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 7: got to go see Dad, you know Dad might let

2317
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 7: you off the hook for something you did wrong because

2318
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 7: they don't want to make any problems or make any

2319
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 7: noise or make you look incompetent as a commission as

2320
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,599
Speaker 7: a whole. I think that's what the problem is at.

2321
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,880
Speaker 7: So I think maybe some help or like having one

2322
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 7: governing body from a few different sanctions like I have Nevada,

2323
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 7: have you know California? I have another deck Texas, let's say,

2324
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 7: and they run a combined commission to where they would

2325
01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 7: be the ones to oversee whoever, you know, penalize the

2326
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 7: ref or whoever it may be. So there's not any like,

2327
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,519
Speaker 7: oh well, you know, we're trying to take care of

2328
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:48,559
Speaker 7: our own sort of situation.

2329
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 1: Right. So a basic idea here would be that what

2330
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: you would like to see, and I think a lot

2331
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 1: of other people is, you know, we don't want to

2332
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: beat up on referees, but if in the NFL they

2333
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: get the chance to look at replays and they get

2334
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 1: it wrong there too, but just creating extra layers of

2335
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 1: the right to appeal and then a mechanism by which

2336
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 1: to enforce it. You're saying that's sorely needed here as well.

2337
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:13,719
Speaker 6: I think so because we see this weekly now, we

2338
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 6: we do.

2339
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 7: We see this weekly now, and we're talking about you know,

2340
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 7: people that are that are making decent amount of money,

2341
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 7: but the win and the show and the wind bonus

2342
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 7: is astronomical when it comes to fight or pay, and

2343
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 7: we're talking thirty thousand and thirty thousand, right, And then

2344
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 7: you know, Elliott Marshall did such a great job at

2345
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 7: breaking down when it goes to coaches, taxes, you know

2346
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 7: all this stuff. And if you lose a fight a

2347
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 7: lot of times you're in it up. Damn you're breaking

2348
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 7: even right, you're broke. If you win a fight, yes,

2349
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 7: that's when you make a little bit of money. So

2350
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 7: you can understand how, you know, how pivotal it is

2351
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 7: on some of these decision makings, not only by the referees,

2352
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 7: but by the by these judges as well. So where's

2353
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 7: the accountability come into play? Where is the you know,

2354
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 7: the resources for them to improve and get better?

2355
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 6: What classes are they taking?

2356
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: Right?

2357
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 4: Like?

2358
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 6: What are their day jobs?

2359
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:07,800
Speaker 7: You know, I've always opened my doors to judges and said, hey,

2360
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 7: love for you guys to come in and watch grappling

2361
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 7: practice or come in to watch sparring because we're getting

2362
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:14,640
Speaker 7: our reps in. When are you guys getting your reps in?

2363
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,640
Speaker 7: When do you guys? Always continue to grow? And you know,

2364
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 7: I think those are some of the issues that we

2365
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 7: see in this sport. But you know, until something big

2366
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 7: or something changes, man, we're stuck with it. So you know,

2367
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 7: obviously Chris is upset with the whole situation. After man,

2368
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 7: there's nothing you can do about it, you know, you know,

2369
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 7: Kelvin won the fight.

2370
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 6: It is what it is.

2371
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 2: We got to move on, man, Yeah, Eric, you may

2372
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:36,920
Speaker 2: have to go to their world. Like if you're willing

2373
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 2: to go in a Turkish bathouse with Douglas Crosby, then

2374
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 2: that may be you know, no our past brother, right,

2375
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,960
Speaker 2: coach quick transition. Just for a second, though, I wanted

2376
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 2: your thoughts on how quickly Cyril gonz to come to

2377
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 2: John Jones fighting for Francis's former title. You guys game

2378
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,639
Speaker 2: planned against him wrestling with surprisingly such a huge thing.

2379
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,320
Speaker 2: I still didn't think it then like that. I mean,

2380
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:03,479
Speaker 2: I'm not here to take anything away from John. He

2381
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 2: turned around three years like it was nothing, but Cyril

2382
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 2: gun kind of shiited his parents out there. Let's be

2383
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 2: very fair with that.

2384
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 4: BC.

2385
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 7: You nailed it, bro, like I was, I was disappointed,

2386
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:16,320
Speaker 7: to be honest with you, Like I really thought that

2387
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 7: these guys were gonna you know, look if if if

2388
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 7: you can't do it as a coach, you've got to

2389
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 7: hire or bring people in to help you. It's okay, man,

2390
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 7: Like there's shit that I don't know. There's there's things

2391
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 7: that like I'm not going to be able to coach

2392
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 7: the level of certain certain people, but it's all about

2393
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:35,400
Speaker 7: your fighter, man, Like you want the success for your fighter,

2394
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 7: which means you have to put your ego aside and

2395
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 7: maybe bring somebody in more qualified than you, or maybe

2396
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 7: pay people to come in and help as training partners.

2397
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 7: You know, I know a lot of the backstory of

2398
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 7: what goes on with that Jim per Francis, and it's

2399
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 7: not my place to say anything, but at the end

2400
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 7: of the day, I think if you're if you're not

2401
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 7: getting the resources that you need as a fighter, you

2402
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 7: need to start looking at what you're doing and where

2403
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 7: you might need to go to get those things done,

2404
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 7: because I think.

2405
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 6: What kind of happened in that fight.

2406
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 7: Now, the blueprint was laid out, and I talked to

2407
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 7: Brandy Gibson, you know, he's a very good friend of mine,

2408
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 7: and Brandon's like, dude, you guys laid the blueprint out,

2409
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 7: you know, go take this dude down.

2410
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 6: He has no answer to getting back up.

2411
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 7: We talked about, you know, bottom leag turk, top side,

2412
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:17,439
Speaker 7: half splitting pins kill the bottom leg.

2413
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 6: That's a rap. Credit to John Jones.

2414
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 7: He went out and executed and found a submission like

2415
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 7: that and made him look like and is the goat.

2416
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:28,519
Speaker 7: So for me, when you look at Cereal and those guys,

2417
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:32,640
Speaker 7: especially with that gap in skill set, man, don't be

2418
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 7: afraid to go out and train somewhere and go out

2419
01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 7: and get some help that you need to improve.

2420
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, I got one more for you, coach, to

2421
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 2: wrap up our heavyweight MMA discussion, because you're a bright

2422
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,320
Speaker 2: mind in the space. If John Jones hangs around with

2423
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 2: the UFC Heavyweight Championship, if you beat Steve A and

2424
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 2: wants to fight again, bigger threat to his title, Sergey

2425
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 2: Pavlovich or Jalton Almeida.

2426
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 6: Tom Aspinall.

2427
01:50:57,720 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 2: Off the menu?

2428
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 7: Wow, Wow, Tom Aspinall, tell us why he's been on

2429
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 7: my radar for years, Luke, I think this dude is

2430
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 7: uber talented. It's unfortunate that he injured his knee in London.

2431
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 7: You know, Serge and and Tom Aspinall had been on

2432
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:17,000
Speaker 7: my radar for a while. He's a guy that coming

2433
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 7: through the ranks. I'm like, we're gonna end up having

2434
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 7: to fight this dude. I think he's very complete all

2435
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 7: around skill set mentally physically his wrestling, his submission game,

2436
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 7: his striking, his ability to switch stances. I think to me,

2437
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 7: I think tom Asabaall might be the guy holding the

2438
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:36,759
Speaker 7: belt for a little while at the heavyweight division.

2439
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:38,599
Speaker 6: In my opinion, I think he's a stud.

2440
01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 1: M Well, give us a sense too. If you can't,

2441
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:43,640
Speaker 1: we'll wrap up here in just a minute. But I

2442
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 1: will be honest, coach, I'll be honest. I get him wrong,

2443
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 1: I get him right. I wasn't sure what to make

2444
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: of Spivack when he first got to the UFC. For startners.

2445
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 1: He had the world's most incredible widows peak. But beyond that,

2446
01:51:54,920 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 1: beyond that, uh, he has gotten legitimately very very good.

2447
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: I'd say in the last year or so, you could

2448
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 1: just see he's turning a corner. I know he's working

2449
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,800
Speaker 1: with you guys. Now tell me from the training room

2450
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: what you've seen from him that has enabled in your

2451
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 1: mind this this last his last bit of fights have

2452
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 1: gone just so well for him.

2453
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2454
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 7: So, Sergey's actually been training a little bit more over

2455
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:22,599
Speaker 7: at Drysdale's with bigger, heavier guys. But I think when

2456
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 7: you know, for him, became more of a concept thing.

2457
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 7: We talked a lot about where he mentioned I've never

2458
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 7: knocked anybody out. I've never knocked anybody out, And I

2459
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 7: think as a heavyweight, that's kind of how your type

2460
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 7: cast is. You're supposed to have this incredible power and

2461
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 7: knock people out. But he has a skill set that

2462
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 7: a lot of heavyweights don't have. So my mindset with

2463
01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 7: him was, well, you don't have to knock people out,

2464
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 7: but they do have to respect your punch and able

2465
01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 7: to make them, you know, utilize their guard and get

2466
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:51,759
Speaker 7: their hands high because of the threat of a punch,

2467
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 7: it's going to only open up your wrestling and get

2468
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 7: into your bodylock sequence is much better. So I think

2469
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 7: giving him the proper routes and understanding, hey, if we

2470
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 7: throw it right over, it's going to lead into an

2471
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 7: underhook right to your bodylock series. That's where you want

2472
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:05,360
Speaker 7: to be. That's home base for you. If it's a

2473
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 7: South Paul, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do this.

2474
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 7: So giving him routes where he's comfortable and throwing these

2475
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:13,600
Speaker 7: specific punches to disguise his fit ins I think was

2476
01:53:13,640 --> 01:53:15,720
Speaker 7: the most important thing for him. And look, I don't

2477
01:53:15,720 --> 01:53:17,840
Speaker 7: care how you win the fight. I don't care if

2478
01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 7: it's a takedown and you beat this dude up on

2479
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 7: ground pound and get a submission, or you knock a

2480
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 7: dous head off. It doesn't matter to me one bit

2481
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 7: as long as it's functional and it fits your system

2482
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 7: and it fits your ideologies as a fighter. But we're

2483
01:53:29,200 --> 01:53:31,800
Speaker 7: always growing and adding other tools, so we're not just

2484
01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,439
Speaker 7: a one trick pony. I think you're developing well and

2485
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 7: that's the best thing we can do for you.

2486
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, I really appreciated this conversation.

2487
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 1: I always learn a lot from talking with you. I

2488
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 1: know you're not Francis, but I know you've seen what

2489
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: he's been up against and what he has now achieved.

2490
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,799
Speaker 1: So congrats to him and your team and everyone else involved.

2491
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:51,640
Speaker 1: And I hope that we get to see him in

2492
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, but either way, we'll be looking forward

2493
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four and everything else you have between

2494
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:58,799
Speaker 1: now and then. Eric Nixic, thank you so much.

2495
01:53:58,920 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 6: My pleasure.

2496
01:53:59,360 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 4: Guys.

2497
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 6: Always great to you, guys.

2498
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 1: Man there, he is one of the very best in

2499
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 1: the sport, one of the best in the game, always

2500
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 1: making time for us. Hey is that Reggie Jackson?

2501
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 2: Hey, Reggie Jackson walked in Luke. He knows how to

2502
01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:14,240
Speaker 2: open doors into our lives. So here he is from

2503
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 2: one great guy to another, Eric Kniesak over the old

2504
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 2: reg Master, Right.

2505
01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 1: Mister, I hope, aside from your very dumb joke, that

2506
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:23,920
Speaker 1: this cat opens up a cut on your face? How

2507
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:24,360
Speaker 1: about that?

2508
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 2: Oh stop that, Luke, Luke, that was a great chat

2509
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 2: with a great guy. Expertise at a high level. How

2510
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:33,520
Speaker 2: do you want to continue the rest of this fantastic

2511
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 2: program we've developed?

2512
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 1: Well, we've got a lot going on. I think what

2513
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,520
Speaker 1: we do is we go fan subs and then close

2514
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 1: and then we'll get to everything we missed either tomorrow

2515
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 1: or Friday.

2516
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna bang the drum hard for the boxing

2517
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:49,240
Speaker 2: this weekend. Katie Taylor back in an undisputed fight. Loma

2518
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 2: heine ee, Luke, can't wait. But we like to give

2519
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 2: the fans a chance to have their their voice heard.

2520
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:57,720
Speaker 2: They wanted more Reggie Jackson?

2521
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 1: Can you not just make out with Reggie Jackson in front?

2522
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 8: I don't think him and I have done anything gross

2523
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 8: or creepy. Yeah yeah, yeah, Louke, Okay, all right, you're right, So, Luke,

2524
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 8: Morning Combat at gmail dot com is the email address

2525
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,480
Speaker 8: for tight T shirts in artwork.

2526
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: You see, how how mad would you've got mail future?

2527
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 1: How mad would you be if I just took Reggie

2528
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:24,880
Speaker 1: Jackson without looking, just euthanize him, just letting them what

2529
01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 1: is wrong with you?

2530
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:30,360
Speaker 2: Looks like would you mind if I bombed your house?

2531
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 4: You know?

2532
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 2: Okay?

2533
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 1: All right? Oh man. I one time saw these teens

2534
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 1: in high school. I felt so bad for this old man.

2535
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 1: This old man was like walking through his parking lot

2536
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 1: on his walker, and some teens walked by and with it.

2537
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if the old man heard it, but

2538
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 1: it looked like you did. And some teens walk by

2539
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 1: and go, man, someone needs to euthanize that bitch. Wow,

2540
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 1: It's like that seems aggressive for a man who's just

2541
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 1: a little bit slow in the park.

2542
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, if you like that stuff, then the ending

2543
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:58,480
Speaker 2: of a million Dollar Baby will be fantastic. Spoiler alert

2544
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:03,160
Speaker 2: all right, yeah yeah, directed by Covorkian. Hey, let's go

2545
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 2: over to Adra and he says, what's up, Luke and BC.

2546
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm a p one that's been following Luke since the

2547
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 2: bloody Elbow days but never bothered to write in That

2548
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 2: means he's a first time caller, Luke, longtime listener, this joy,

2549
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 2: long time figured it. I'd help you guys feel better.

2550
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,200
Speaker 2: About the demographics of your show by letting you know

2551
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 2: you have at least one black fan. Yes, sorry, sorry,

2552
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,560
Speaker 2: we just dunked on. I'm sorry. Also, despite Luke's thinly

2553
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 2: veiled contempt for the MMA fan base, this hardcore MMA

2554
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 2: fan happens to be Princeton educated, and I've attext a

2555
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 2: picture of my Princeton diploma next to my OGMK as proof.

2556
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 2: Despite my education, I'm a huge fan of b Seed's

2557
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 2: puerile sense of humor, where he started off one episode

2558
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:53,400
Speaker 2: by saying buggery, buggery, Donks almost had a heart attack

2559
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 2: laughing intro Aside, the real purposipice of this email is

2560
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 2: to submit a deadlift video for Luke's feedback. I'm turned

2561
01:57:00,240 --> 01:57:02,840
Speaker 2: forty and five months and just hit a pr of

2562
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:06,280
Speaker 2: five hundred and fifteen pounds. I had to risk getting

2563
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 2: kicked out of a public gym to make the the

2564
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 2: hold on Reggie's breaking ship to make the shirtless thing

2565
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 2: happen here. But he wants to.

2566
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Show you with catpiss that not every man in our

2567
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,400
Speaker 1: age group is totally washed.

2568
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:25,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Reggie stop and looks like a flabby sack of shit.

2569
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 2: Hopefully my pecks compare favorably to Blah Muhammad's. And my

2570
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 2: form is tight enough that I may one day fulfill

2571
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 2: my dream of having Luke invite me to the front

2572
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 2: yard workout. Wow that was long, but.

2573
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 1: Damn bro let me see it one more time, one

2574
01:57:54,560 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 1: more time. So, first of all, he could put a

2575
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 1: shirt on that would not be illegal according to Jim protocol.

2576
01:58:11,240 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 1: You can do that. It's okay. It looked pretty good.

2577
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: He hitched it above the knee a little bit using

2578
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:19,080
Speaker 1: the straps. He kind of leaned back and kind of

2579
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 1: just ever so slightly sat it in his lap, and

2580
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: then he didn't quite hit full lockout, but fair it

2581
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: sounds like a picking on him. It's actually fairly minor ish,

2582
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 1: and he could easily do that with a little bit

2583
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:32,320
Speaker 1: of cleaning up. Also, his knees kind of went caved

2584
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: in a little bit, so he might have some imbalances,

2585
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 1: but all in all, pretty clean, pretty clean.

2586
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got black male viewers, Luke.

2587
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at that. The question is do we have

2588
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 1: serio serious question do we have one black female listener? One? No, no,

2589
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:50,200
Speaker 1: definitely not.

2590
01:58:50,760 --> 01:58:54,360
Speaker 2: Definitely not no, no, no. I mean, you know, Morning

2591
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:57,840
Speaker 2: Combat is for the for the people, Luke, diversity as welcome.

2592
01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we had to repair the Japanese connection, but

2593
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 2: that's yeah, it was misdirected hostilities. All right, let's go

2594
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 2: to Paul. What's up MK. I found an animal that

2595
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 2: loves gas station hot dogs more than BC. It's a catfish.

2596
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 2: Here's me repping the MK while enjoying my rest days

2597
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:17,560
Speaker 2: by fishing. I included a size picture of the teenage

2598
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:20,680
Speaker 2: catfish because I'm a hilariously large one to eighty five,

2599
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 2: so it looks tiny without reference, kind of like our

2600
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:26,880
Speaker 2: big base from Connecticut. I'm currently working a lot in

2601
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 2: training while awaiting my next opportunity to compete as one

2602
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 2: of the Donk Hammers. Thanks for introducing Phil Derue to

2603
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,320
Speaker 2: the rest of the fan base. To his point on RSD,

2604
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 2: strength and conditioning alongside training has significantly lessened my frequency

2605
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 2: of injury to zero. The gains are now loyal. Still

2606
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 2: waiting on Middle nag Merch. It's Paul from Texas. Dude,

2607
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:52,640
Speaker 2: we should just do an MK shure that says Middle

2608
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 2: nog UFC Hall of Fame or something like that.

2609
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:56,360
Speaker 1: You see, have you ever been fishing?

2610
01:59:57,880 --> 01:59:58,000
Speaker 4: Uh?

2611
01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:02,360
Speaker 2: Not with a pole? I've dranken while while all other

2612
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 2: drunken friends of fish, Luke. But it's you know, it's

2613
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:05,960
Speaker 2: not really my thing, to be fair.

2614
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I I as a kid in Georgia, I went

2615
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:12,760
Speaker 1: fishing a lot. I didn't like it that much. It

2616
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:13,560
Speaker 1: wasn't really for me.

2617
02:00:14,280 --> 02:00:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2618
02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't hate on it though, like for the right

2619
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of person. Man. That's that's that's that's life centering.

2620
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:23,240
Speaker 2: You're out in nature, You're you're quiet and contemplative, You're

2621
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, you're getting food you can feed your family.

2622
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the food chain. That's the cycle of

2623
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:30,160
Speaker 2: life right there, Luke.

2624
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:33,440
Speaker 1: Well, I ended up this is true. I ended up

2625
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 1: fishing in two areas basically the same UH territory. One

2626
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:42,880
Speaker 1: was the Chattahoochee River way down yonder on the Chattahoochie

2627
02:00:43,400 --> 02:00:45,880
Speaker 1: and then the other one was the with Lacuci, which

2628
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:49,160
Speaker 1: is a subsidiary version of that. And there was an

2629
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 1: invasive species at the time in the early nineties called gar.

2630
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 1: You can look them up, and I remember we would

2631
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:56,560
Speaker 1: go catch gar all the time just to pull them

2632
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 1: out of the water. But fet a lot of good

2633
02:00:58,800 --> 02:00:59,080
Speaker 1: that did.

2634
02:01:00,160 --> 02:01:02,520
Speaker 2: I I was once lucky enough in college to be

2635
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:03,800
Speaker 2: at with Lakuchi.

2636
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:04,080
Speaker 4: Luke.

2637
02:01:04,200 --> 02:01:05,040
Speaker 2: It was a one night er.

2638
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:07,320
Speaker 1: I knew, I knew. I knew I couldn't say that

2639
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 1: without you doing I knew I couldn't do it.

2640
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 2: Sorry, Luke, Let's go over to Frankie. He says, I

2641
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 2: had table seats for l f A and it was

2642
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 2: a great experience. I thought those scores were a little

2643
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 2: shoddy right after, Man.

2644
02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 1: You did it, bud.

2645
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:32,000
Speaker 2: Ya.

2646
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:37,600
Speaker 1: We got a game, you know, we gotta do R

2647
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:39,680
Speaker 1: S D with him. It's really I would love to.

2648
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:42,080
Speaker 2: Hear it because you know, remember that time Big Tune

2649
02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:43,600
Speaker 2: on the mic was like, yeah, my family's in the

2650
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,320
Speaker 2: in the Midwestern Mafia. I was like, that's my guy

2651
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 2: right there.

2652
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:49,280
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a story there that I don't know that

2653
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 1: I need to hear.

2654
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2655
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Frankie for sharing that great video and

2656
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:55,800
Speaker 2: looking out for one of ours. Let's go over to Scott.

2657
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:58,839
Speaker 2: He says, when are the m k rash guards dropping?

2658
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm out here paddling on Lake Mead with the family

2659
02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 2: with my I need an MK kid size ration card.

2660
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,800
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, look there it is.

2661
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:10,920
Speaker 1: Have you been to Lake Mead?

2662
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:13,400
Speaker 2: I have not, but shout out to Scott for taking

2663
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:14,440
Speaker 2: the family there, right.

2664
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 1: I have not. I've also never done stand up paddle boarding,

2665
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:19,480
Speaker 1: although my sister tells me it's a lot of fun.

2666
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,840
Speaker 2: I've done that. That's that's a workout, because you got

2667
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:25,640
Speaker 2: to really stabilize your your core and your basel.

2668
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:25,720
Speaker 4: You know what.

2669
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:27,680
Speaker 1: I feel like. There are certain kinds of people in

2670
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 1: the world world who are like lake people, you know. Yeah,

2671
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 1: and they yeah, are you a lake guy?

2672
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 2: I am a lake guy. We're taking the dogs this

2673
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:41,120
Speaker 2: summer on to the lake for a week, Luke. Uh so,

2674
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:48,080
Speaker 2: spoiler alert, we both have vacations in August. Yeah, all right,

2675
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 2: thank you, Scott. Let's go over to History HD. Hey,

2676
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:54,040
Speaker 2: Luke and BC. I love the show. I think Luke

2677
02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:57,600
Speaker 2: should be about it and take Zuck on a no

2678
02:02:57,760 --> 02:03:03,040
Speaker 2: gigmmission submission grappling contest. The haters think Zuck would pass

2679
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:04,360
Speaker 2: Luke's guard with ease.

2680
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wouldn't. He would get smashed up real quick,

2681
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:07,920
Speaker 1: real quick.

2682
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:12,920
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, maybe he'd be surprised. He seems to

2683
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 2: be in shape, Luke. You think he takes the Royds.

2684
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: Uh, he probably takes some kind of proprietary billionaire. The

2685
02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:24,240
Speaker 1: blood of babies kind of blend, you know.

2686
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's hear from Will. He says, as

2687
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:30,040
Speaker 2: it turns out, Columbia is not the only word that

2688
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:31,720
Speaker 2: BC pronounces incorrectly.

2689
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:35,760
Speaker 1: Fortunately, doing yah.

2690
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 2: That's actually Luke who says ad a soyna, thank you.

2691
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't say sonya. I say sonya like red sonya.

2692
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there, as Luke would say, ain't a motherfucker

2693
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 2: around calling him out of sonya.

2694
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:53,600
Speaker 1: Luke, that's right. No one is calling him so it's sonya.

2695
02:03:55,160 --> 02:03:57,120
Speaker 2: People are trying to sue him for his money, though, Luke,

2696
02:03:57,160 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 2: you see.

2697
02:03:57,440 --> 02:04:01,160
Speaker 1: That I've tried to stay far away from that fucking

2698
02:04:01,200 --> 02:04:02,120
Speaker 1: story as possible.

2699
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2700
02:04:02,680 --> 02:04:04,360
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, I don't want to ruin any more of

2701
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:05,960
Speaker 2: your friendships than I already have attempted.

2702
02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:09,080
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's not that. It's just that it's his

2703
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:11,120
Speaker 1: fucking business, not mine. I don't I don't really care.

2704
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:14,440
Speaker 2: That is true. Will also says that fortunately for us all,

2705
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:18,520
Speaker 2: Luke was kind enough to gift Brian that hat, so

2706
02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 2: that BC can two sound like he's having a stroke

2707
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:26,280
Speaker 2: when referencing the current middleweight champion. Keep up the high

2708
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:28,720
Speaker 2: t work, gentlemen, thanks for all the content. So look,

2709
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:30,480
Speaker 2: I think he's trying to speak for our fan base

2710
02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:33,600
Speaker 2: by saying this to you. They don't actually care if

2711
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 2: you get it wrong. They just don't want you to

2712
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,480
Speaker 2: do four pronunciations of the same name every time to

2713
02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:41,040
Speaker 2: try to please everyone. They'd be fine if you called

2714
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 2: the shit sayde instead of Charde.

2715
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:43,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

2716
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:44,400
Speaker 2: Like, they're not into that.

2717
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:46,320
Speaker 1: That's why I try to go with Izzy more than

2718
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:47,960
Speaker 1: everything else, you know, I try.

2719
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:49,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, it's tough.

2720
02:04:50,480 --> 02:04:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sag Saggie, nibs and all. Let's go to JP.

2721
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:56,640
Speaker 2: Good day, Luke BC and MK Nation. You know this

2722
02:04:56,680 --> 02:05:00,200
Speaker 2: guy J Piquette. Right with the departure of our MK Murphy.

2723
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,200
Speaker 1: We have a forty five minute reel of him just

2724
02:05:02,200 --> 02:05:03,080
Speaker 1: talking about himself.

2725
02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:07,200
Speaker 2: Here we go with the departure of MK Merchmaster Extraordinaire

2726
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:10,440
Speaker 2: r J Dunkele Gangbang. I want to dedicate the following

2727
02:05:10,520 --> 02:05:12,800
Speaker 2: fans up to him. I can honestly say that this

2728
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:14,640
Speaker 2: video may have been the most fun thing I've ever

2729
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:17,840
Speaker 2: done as a fan. It was hours of fun digging

2730
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:20,880
Speaker 2: through the archives. I had a blast. Hey RJ, thank

2731
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:23,440
Speaker 2: you for your service and all the best going forward.

2732
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:26,320
Speaker 2: Love you guys. Keep up the multi time award winning show.

2733
02:05:26,520 --> 02:05:35,840
Speaker 2: Luke J. Piquette has a presentation for you. Let's see it. Yeah,

2734
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:37,680
Speaker 2: normally it's not good news, but they sent a new

2735
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 2: merch guy to our pre show meeting to pump us

2736
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:43,880
Speaker 2: up with confidence. And hey, hey, hey grundle Maker, I'm

2737
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:45,560
Speaker 2: confident here, I'm fired up, I'm ready.

2738
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 1: I feel like we're getting better with the merch. Yesterday

2739
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:50,400
Speaker 1: was better. We got, we got, we got a little

2740
02:05:50,440 --> 02:05:51,960
Speaker 1: sit smoothening out a little bit.

2741
02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:54,480
Speaker 2: If you want to shout out our new guy, RJ. Grundlemaker.

2742
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's made a big difference in a short

2743
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 2: period of time.

2744
02:05:56,680 --> 02:05:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that's his actual last name, but we

2745
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 1: can call him that if you want.

2746
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:02,920
Speaker 2: Crupp and r J. Grundle Master will give us an

2747
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:05,120
Speaker 2: update on that. But the big update today, Luke, is

2748
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:08,960
Speaker 2: for a limited time, we have the exclusive rollout of

2749
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:11,680
Speaker 2: the BC Hawaiian shirt sent off.

2750
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:14,400
Speaker 1: You gotta go get it now. It's not gonna help

2751
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:17,000
Speaker 1: you get laid, but it will make people afraid of

2752
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:17,800
Speaker 1: you at the bus stop.

2753
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:19,080
Speaker 4: Sure it out to our guy r J.

2754
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:21,840
Speaker 2: Duncle Maker, the new merch guy. He's fantastic.

2755
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:23,680
Speaker 1: Well why don't you tell the folks what you used

2756
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 1: to call him?

2757
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh, RJ Grundleman. I think that's actually his really, and

2758
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 2: then he.

2759
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:28,160
Speaker 1: Called him grundle Maker for a time as well.

2760
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a very big way here that we're gonna

2761
02:06:30,080 --> 02:06:30,400
Speaker 2: throw it.

2762
02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 1: We're in the world as r j dunzel Fucker.

2763
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:36,720
Speaker 2: We had put the call out on a wellness check

2764
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:41,080
Speaker 2: on on good old rj Dunclefucker, and JP answered that call.

2765
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:45,520
Speaker 2: Morning Coombat Dot store already the house that merch built

2766
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Speaker 2: that rj Duncle Cracker put together big thanks to r

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Speaker 2: j Duncle Gangbang.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen r j dunclefucker one time one time, bro.

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02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:55,800
Speaker 2: You know, he's the goat of merch, and we'll give

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Speaker 2: him a pass because he's on the r j Duncle

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02:06:57,680 --> 02:07:00,960
Speaker 2: Red Tube. Yeah he is, just he's taken that no

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Speaker 2: hitter into the nine thought RJ.

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Speaker 1: What was his real last name, Luke, I think it

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02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:08,080
Speaker 1: was Duncle Gangbang. I think that's what.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's it, got it all right, good old

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02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:13,520
Speaker 2: big Ray. I didn't want to sneak past this point

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02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:16,480
Speaker 2: and just reiterate like he's one of the most valuable

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02:07:16,520 --> 02:07:19,760
Speaker 2: people that we've had linked to Morning Combat in its history.

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Speaker 2: So we wish you well moving forward on your next

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Speaker 2: adventure RJ And just remember, bro, you did great ship

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Speaker 2: for us and we appreciate it. But it's a big fish, Luke,

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02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 2: It's a real big fish, right.

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02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:42,600
Speaker 1: It's a long video long.

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Speaker 2: It was a nice tribute to a great man.

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02:07:44,640 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was a nice long tribute.

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02:07:48,040 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 2: You're turning on the catch. I can see it happen,

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02:07:50,040 --> 02:07:51,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not turning.

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02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm not turning. But you know, like I had a

2789
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:56,640
Speaker 1: rule on my radio show when guys would start like, hey,

2790
02:07:56,680 --> 02:07:58,880
Speaker 1: can you refer to me as like you know, make

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02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,080
Speaker 1: up something like the hangman man, like no, I'm gonna

2792
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:02,640
Speaker 1: hang up on you now, click, and I just hang

2793
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:04,320
Speaker 1: up on him like I'm not. I don't play those games.

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02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 2: Speaking of real big fish, Luke, did they have that

2795
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,520
Speaker 2: hit or do I have the wrong band?

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02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:12,280
Speaker 1: By the way Mikey saying Mikey's saying, it was actually

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02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:14,520
Speaker 1: longer than that and they cut it down for show

2798
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:15,480
Speaker 1: and show needs.

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Speaker 2: Oh I would have liked to have seen the full

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02:08:17,320 --> 02:08:19,080
Speaker 2: version of that for because I think we.

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Speaker 1: Have on the only pipes Patreon.

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02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:23,440
Speaker 2: All right, all right, look do you remember that song

2803
02:08:23,720 --> 02:08:25,160
Speaker 2: sell out with me?

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02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:25,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

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02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sell out?

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02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 4: Right?

2807
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't real big Fish was it? Who was that?

2808
02:08:30,120 --> 02:08:31,280
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

2809
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:34,200
Speaker 1: The record company's gonna give me lots of money and

2810
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:35,760
Speaker 1: everything's gonna.

2811
02:08:35,480 --> 02:08:37,040
Speaker 3: Be all right.

2812
02:08:37,120 --> 02:08:37,440
Speaker 2: No one.

2813
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 1: Scott was in Dude Scott nineties. Don't you remember Propagandhi

2814
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:43,000
Speaker 1: and all those all those bands?

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02:08:43,320 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 2: No, I remember the Urge. They were awesome. No one

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02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:47,040
Speaker 2: talks about them anymore. I remember that.

2817
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, sellout is real, big Fish? Yeah, exactly, alright, nailed it.

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02:08:50,440 --> 02:08:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm back, I'm the wheel.

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02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 1: All right.

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02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:52,640
Speaker 2: Let's go to Alan W.

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02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:53,040
Speaker 4: Luke.

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02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:55,480
Speaker 2: He makes very good fansubmissions, and he says, in an

2823
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:59,960
Speaker 2: ideal world, Tony Weeks would retire from his position after

2824
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:04,720
Speaker 2: after the controversy of Romero versus Barsol. Whether you question

2825
02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:07,920
Speaker 2: his integrity or competence, the guy has to eat. Here's

2826
02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:10,920
Speaker 2: Tony Weeks's new occupation post Boxing.

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02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:17,360
Speaker 1: Two twenty three. MK Math con winner is Brian Campbell

2828
02:09:17,560 --> 02:09:21,400
Speaker 1: for looking less old and washed. Fuck you, Luke Thomas.

2829
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:25,760
Speaker 2: So day one was that is?

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02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:29,400
Speaker 1: That is amazing? Amazing?

2831
02:09:29,480 --> 02:09:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh see I could do it now that it's written out, Looke,

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02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:33,240
Speaker 2: It's much easier, you know.

2833
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:33,680
Speaker 4: What I mean?

2834
02:09:34,280 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't difficult. I think you just got messed

2835
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:40,760
Speaker 1: up by the way it was worded and the edibles.

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02:09:41,320 --> 02:09:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, there you go. Look, let's finally we

2837
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:52,160
Speaker 2: got one more from Chris, he says, Dear wash dads.

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02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:55,000
Speaker 2: This week, I present to you the logo for Luke's

2839
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:58,200
Speaker 2: future fitness endeavors. You just got to get on the

2840
02:09:58,240 --> 02:10:02,040
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen vitor stat I would have suggested a tagline

2841
02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:07,880
Speaker 2: that god, but Luke would prefer the tagline gloves are

2842
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:10,800
Speaker 2: for Pussies. It's Chris from Long Island. Luke, What the

2843
02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:12,080
Speaker 2: hell is this?

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02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:15,160
Speaker 1: This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. First

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02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:16,720
Speaker 1: of all, I never looked that good in my life,

2846
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:19,920
Speaker 1: never will. But I got to tell you that's how

2847
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 1: I dream. That's how a boy dreams, and that is amazing.

2848
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:29,160
Speaker 1: What do you think should I fitness? Yes?

2849
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:31,360
Speaker 2: That see? This should be a shirt. We got to

2850
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:32,640
Speaker 2: get RJ back in the building.

2851
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:36,080
Speaker 1: All right. You put the DC flag on anything with

2852
02:10:36,120 --> 02:10:38,600
Speaker 1: my face on it, and your boys sized for it. Okay?

2853
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:41,160
Speaker 2: Are you into that yellow and black Steelers colors? There?

2854
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:43,240
Speaker 1: Black and yeah, little black and yellow not my favorite,

2855
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:44,520
Speaker 1: but it works for the picture.

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02:10:45,120 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 2: All right? Wow? Good good fan subs This week shout

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02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:51,600
Speaker 2: out to contributors across the Board Morning Combat at gmail

2858
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:56,440
Speaker 2: dot com. Get your dead wrongs for Friday. Yeah, so, Luke,

2859
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 2: we got to bang the boxing hard, whether it's tomorrow

2860
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 2: or Friday. But a show that we put out there

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02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:02,920
Speaker 2: in the world, heck of.

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02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:05,080
Speaker 1: A heck of a week in MMA, heck of a

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02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:07,080
Speaker 1: week in the sports. It will require a very special show.

2864
02:11:07,120 --> 02:11:09,280
Speaker 1: I hope everyone appreciated that. Thank you to Eric Nickxon

2865
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:11,960
Speaker 1: for stopping by sharing some of his insight and wisdom

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02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 1: as well. So, yeah, so, I guess either tomorrow or

2867
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:18,120
Speaker 1: for Friday, we'll have We'll we'll make sure by the

2868
02:11:18,160 --> 02:11:19,960
Speaker 1: I'll say this, by the end of the week, by

2869
02:11:19,960 --> 02:11:22,200
Speaker 1: the end of Friday, we'll make sure you have your

2870
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:25,320
Speaker 1: Hany and Loma preview. We'll get you ready for the

2871
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:28,440
Speaker 1: UFC's card this weekend. We'll make we'll make sure you're

2872
02:11:28,520 --> 02:11:30,640
Speaker 1: ready to bang by the time Friday is over.

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02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:33,240
Speaker 2: Look, do you remember the urge they had that hit

2874
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:36,400
Speaker 2: jump right in with Nick Hexham from three to eleven

2875
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:38,520
Speaker 2: jumping in that song as well?

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02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't really remember.

2877
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:42,680
Speaker 2: All right, look it up one day you may.

2878
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, have all of the girls I wanted to

2879
02:11:44,440 --> 02:11:47,040
Speaker 1: bang Nick Hexham in the nineties, Yeah, I.

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02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:48,920
Speaker 2: Still like Luke. He's a great, great guy. I like

2881
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:50,120
Speaker 2: that guy a lot. You know, I would love to

2882
02:11:50,120 --> 02:11:52,560
Speaker 2: see them again. I've not seen them in concerts since

2883
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:56,160
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, so I would love.

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02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:56,560
Speaker 1: To go back.

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02:11:57,200 --> 02:11:59,440
Speaker 2: And would you go to a three eleven concert under

2886
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:01,520
Speaker 2: any circumstance it is including okay.

2887
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:08,600
Speaker 1: Bet, yes, okay, yes, you said under any circumstance? Yes, yes, yes,

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02:12:08,640 --> 02:12:11,520
Speaker 1: that's on the table. Sure, I mean I would go.

2889
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 1: I would go drunk as a fucking skunk.

2890
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:16,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, a dead End company are on their

2891
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,520
Speaker 2: final tour ever right now, Luke with o'tell shout out

2892
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:22,960
Speaker 2: our buddy o'tell Burbridge and John Mayer and Bobby Ware

2893
02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:25,320
Speaker 2: and all them. Would you go to a dead show

2894
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:27,680
Speaker 2: under any circumstances?

2895
02:12:28,120 --> 02:12:32,880
Speaker 1: It would require something that is compulsory, candidly like a.

2896
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:38,720
Speaker 2: Hando, like like o'teal. Thanks for watching, but you're gonna

2897
02:12:38,720 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 2: need to up the offer here, you know what I mean?

2898
02:12:40,840 --> 02:12:41,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2899
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 1: Right, No, I like o'tell a lot. He's very talented musician.

2900
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:45,840
Speaker 1: That's just not my kind of music. I'd be I'd

2901
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 1: just be lying if I said it was so.

2902
02:12:47,840 --> 02:12:49,720
Speaker 2: Mike, he wrote, I'm in Do you think he was

2903
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:50,440
Speaker 2: referring to the.

2904
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:52,400
Speaker 1: I saw it he wrote it at the time for

2905
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:54,160
Speaker 1: three eleven. By the way, were you one of those

2906
02:12:54,240 --> 02:12:56,640
Speaker 1: morons in the nineties, It was like three eleven K

2907
02:12:57,000 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 1: is the eleventh letter of the alphabet, where it's KKK.

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Speaker 2: My parents brought that up at one point when I

2909
02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:04,120
Speaker 2: told them I was going to go to the concert

2910
02:13:04,120 --> 02:13:07,480
Speaker 2: with my sister's boyfriend, and I had to dispel that quickly. Look,

2911
02:13:10,720 --> 02:13:11,160
Speaker 2: would you.

2912
02:13:11,120 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 1: Say as a feature or a bug?

2913
02:13:14,640 --> 02:13:14,720
Speaker 3: No.

2914
02:13:14,840 --> 02:13:16,680
Speaker 2: I was telling him that the band is way more

2915
02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:19,400
Speaker 2: about marijuana than racism, So you know, you should shift

2916
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:20,800
Speaker 2: your priorities as a parent.

2917
02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:21,360
Speaker 1: Here, you know what I mean?

2918
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:22,800
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's great.

2919
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,600
Speaker 1: Uh, all right, we'll be see. Let's think everyone involved

2920
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:28,400
Speaker 1: Mikey Morms on the ones and twos made everything happen today.

2921
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:31,920
Speaker 1: Really appreciate that thinking. Everyone who watched. Thank you, of

2922
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:34,480
Speaker 1: course to CBS Sports and Showtime, and welcome to the

2923
02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:37,080
Speaker 1: other crews and everyone. But Mikey was MVP today as

2924
02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:40,200
Speaker 1: is customary. Well, we'll have a good preview for you

2925
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:43,120
Speaker 1: for everything that's happening this weekend before the week is over.

2926
02:13:43,200 --> 02:13:45,200
Speaker 1: I promised that. So if you want to reach the

2927
02:13:45,240 --> 02:13:47,880
Speaker 1: show morningcombat at gmail dot com is the place to

2928
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:50,000
Speaker 1: do that. Please give us a ring there, Mike, you

2929
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 1: will see it and then adjudicate from there. And uh yeah,

2930
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:55,480
Speaker 1: Joe dot com three today free blah blah.

2931
02:13:55,320 --> 02:13:58,600
Speaker 2: Blah, hoose, loyalty, all that stuff.

2932
02:13:58,600 --> 02:14:00,000
Speaker 1: But they Morningcombat dot storm.

2933
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:02,840
Speaker 2: There you go, and bitches ain't ever luke.

2934
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:07,240
Speaker 1: All right, well that's why do you think.

2935
02:14:07,160 --> 02:14:10,760
Speaker 2: It's creepy how much Jerial pushes the Katie Taylor agenda?

2936
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:11,480
Speaker 2: Who loves her?

2937
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:15,080
Speaker 1: I haven't really paid attention to what music is this

2938
02:14:15,120 --> 02:14:16,760
Speaker 1: that you're gonna get us demonetized playing.

2939
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:18,400
Speaker 2: I think it's the Apollo Hook?

2940
02:14:20,080 --> 02:14:23,040
Speaker 1: All right? Well, with that in mind, BC, that's him,

2941
02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm lt. We'll talk to you guys soon. Thanks for watching.

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Speaker 1: MK is out mail your games. Be loyal