WEBVTT - Finding Your Voice featuring Christy Turlington Burns 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:13.040 M how many things are different since we met, since 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:17.640 before the pandemic, how my life has changed, and how 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.520 a lot of people's life and how things that you 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:25.439 didn't realize were so important are really the important things. Right. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:28.520 It's not just your career, and it's not just you know, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.080 how you show up at work. It's just it's really 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:33.959 the words that come out of your mouth and how 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:42.159 you live your life. I'm so excited to talk to Christy. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.080 This is gonna be a fun one. You guys are friends, right, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.120 you guys are friends? We are? Yeah? I mean, whoever 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.480 would have put that together? I can tell you. My nerdy, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.200 suburban Chicago schoolgirl never would have thought there'd be a 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.880 scenario where I would end up meeting Christy Turlington Burns 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.760 as an adult and become friends with her, obviously not 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.920 because of our parallel modeling careers, but because we met 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.479 through sort of nonprofit stuff and bonded over that and 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:11.959 her work with Every Mother Counts, which I am excited 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.279 to hear more about what she's up to. And also 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.680 we met when we both spoke at TED, so we 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.520 spoke the same year and became buddies, and so just 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:21.920 sort of got introduced over and over again and finally 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.360 just started hanging out. She's awesome. I first met Christie 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.680 when she was a young model and I was a 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.160 young makeup artist, and every time I would do her makeup, 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.720 I thought I was the most talented makeup artist in 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.600 the universe because all I had to do was put 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.440 clear lip gloss on her lips and pinch her cheek, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.959 and she was stunning. And honestly, I think I learned 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:45.280 a lot about choosing makeup by looking at faces, and 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.920 especially hers, because she had such natural, beautiful coloring in 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.360 her skin, and that's how I ultimately like to do makeup. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.960 But she was always kind and I really haven't, you know, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.200 seen her as often as I would like, so I'm 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.480 pretty excited to talk about everything. She's doing. Awesome, And 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.440 if you can protect me from running a marathon, I 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.680 would really appreciate it. I have a feeling she's gonna 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.640 hit me up again. Let's get into it. Excited for 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:22.239 our conversation with Christie. Hi, Christie, Hi, and Julie. It's 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.280 so good to see you, well to hear you. Hi, Bobby, 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.280 Hi Christie. First of all, she knows your real name. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.919 A Julie. She knows how to pronounce your she knows 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.840 how to say it. Yeah, oh yeah, because we're pals. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.240 We're pals from the neighborhood. We are. But I knew you. 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:39.440 I knew you'd eight or ten years and you never 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.840 corrected my pronunciation, So I know, what did you say 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:48.919 on Jolly? Oh? I know? And I it's a really 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.080 bad carry over from childhood and being like a first 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.280 generation immigrant where you're just like, yeah, whatever you want 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.880 to say is fine, and I didn't correct people, and 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.639 now even as an adult, like I don't know why 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.519 I don't just say it right away. But I was like, oh, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.000 she means it with love. It's not like she's being disrespectful. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.000 It just doesn't know how to say it's I'm like, 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.480 it's fine, but yeah, now I'm I'm supposed to be 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.160 of it. I know. I'm trying to be better for 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.600 the next generation. I get called Cindy all the time. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:20.280 You don't you do do not I do. There's no 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:24.160 way anyone's mistaken you for Sunday. They're like starts at 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.640 the sea, ends of the hy You you all look alike, 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.440 well you don't. You're stunningly beautiful as always, And um, 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.600 I feel like my first girl crush might have been 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:39.840 on Christy Turlington Burns when I was Yeah, when you 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.120 were in what and like what like fifth grade? What 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.240 are you trying to say? Well, it's just as a teenager, 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.040 you know, when she came on the scene, it's like 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.200 you were the closest thing we had to like ethnic 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.880 beauty being represented on on the main stage, you know, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.680 in Vogue and on the pages of my favorite magazines. 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.760 And I just you know, I probably had a little 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.480 girl crush, don't I don't want to make you on comfortable, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.640 but it's true. One thing, one thing about her, because 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.120 I met her during those times. I was lucky the 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.160 times I got to work with her because as one 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:12.280 of the big models, she was the nicest she was, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.440 you know, and so with Cindy, But she was always 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.039 the nice I believe that. Thank you, Gosh. I want 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:23.120 to hang out with you every day. We're here. We're 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.360 here every day just doing this. This is what we do, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.919 just that I'm recording. But has anyone ever called you 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:35.400 other than nice? I mean, I'm proud of having the 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.599 reputation of being the nice model of my peer group, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.720 but I I also felt like sometimes it was a 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.280 little boring and bland, like just to be nice. I like, 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.640 come on, I've got more than that. And I'm sure 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.039 I wasn't always nice. I mean, I'm sure I had 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.720 my moments, like anyone does. But I definitely saw there 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.480 was opportunity to um, I don't know, make myself remembered, 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.640 or or to be liked, right, And we all want 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.800 to just be liked on the set and like welcomed, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.520 and so to be nice was the easiest way to 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.719 um to get that. Yeah, but the answer is no. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.320 Back then, people did not want to be nice. It 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.760 was cooler to not be nice. I was always nice. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.200 And there was a hairdresser I don't even remember her 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.800 name who literally stopped working and she was awful. And 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.840 I saw her again about a year later, and she said, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.200 I'm going to take something out of your playbook. I'm 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.280 gonna be nice to everyone. That's my new thing. There 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.520 was no chance this girl was ever going to be nice. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.440 There was no chance that we won't name names. I 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.159 don't even remember her name. That's how much of a 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.479 remember I remember. Then. I'm curious, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Maybe 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.239 that's yeah. I guess it's the extremes, right, the divas, 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.120 and then the nice ones. I feel like kindness, right, 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.320 that's sort of the that's the goal. That's what I 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.920 want my children to be. Kind are they? They are? Um, 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.880 they're also funny. I think that's the other thing that 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.839 you want your kids to be because that keeps this going. Um. 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:07.400 But kind and funny two good qualities. I totally agree. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.080 I think funny is a really great sign of intelligence too. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.280 That's what I keep telling myself, and I am really 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.400 hard to be funny. And then I was told recently 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.360 in a meeting that I shouldn't tell people that I'm funny. 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.800 I should just tell a joke. And I was like, oh, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:25.080 that burns. That hits a little too. Quotes when people 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.200 will ask the question like what is something that nobody 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.120 knows about you? Or what's something that's not on Wikipedia? 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.080 Like first, I never look at Wikipedia. But secondly it's 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.839 like I was like, well, I think I'm funny, and 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.600 I think it's a weird thing to say about yourself, right, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.920 Like when you say I think I'm funny, You're like, 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.360 you can't possibly be funny, but you are funny. I 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.680 know that. Thank you, Christie. I think you're pretty funny. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.880 You're funny, and you're kind. I would agree with all 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.080 those ones. So funny and kind, and you're imparting that 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.039 to your children as is Bobby, also funny and kind. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.080 Look at us, we're just quite the trio, aren't we? 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.719 Just the most wonderful, nice, kind giving people in America? Okay, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.280 so people are listening to think this is really not 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:07.000 worth my time, this is boring. So let's get out 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.560 to the to the meat of this podcast, which is 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:14.160 basically it's called The Important Thing because look, everyone knows 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.680 you're amazing career. We don't know enough about you, know 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.640 what you're doing now, I mean the world doesn't. But 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.240 what has changed for you personally since the pandemic? Like, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.760 what are the important things to you now? I mean, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.640 I guess it's it's all the cliches. Really, I think 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.280 the sort of slowing down piece of it. I feel 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.920 like it's the truth that I that I knew, but 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.400 I didn't have a choice but to really like surrender 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.920 to it um during the pandemic. I think that's sort 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.080 of your family and your your home being where your 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:46.960 heart is, and your your heart being or your home 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.320 is that was very evident, like I couldn't be traveling, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.120 I couldn't be moving at the pace that I normally do, 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.280 and I fully embraced it, like and I embraced it 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.720 quite quickly. I realized like this was not a situation 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.760 where I like there was any reason to fight it. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.840 It just was and it was out of our control. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.440 And so not that it was like smooth every day, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.040 but I I early on was like, this is bigger 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.720 than me and all of us, and you would have 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.200 to write it. And luckily I'm here under the same 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.800 roof with the people that I love the most in 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.840 the world. So can't be can't be that much. And 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.080 are your kids still in the house? Are there? I 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.160 don't know how they are. They're back at school. They're 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.520 back at school. Um so oh so, Grace's eighteen, she's 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.680 a senior, uh in high school and finished sixteen years 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.240 of sophomore and so you know, early days pandemic, we 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.280 were on Long Island in our house there because spring break, 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.680 and then we came back to the city and the 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.840 fall of of of last year. Um, and then they've 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.680 been out in school back and forth a bit. Um. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.840 But they're in now, which has been really nice for everybody. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.400 I also spent a lot of the pandemic in the 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.480 Hampton's and it was for us personally. Having the family 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.800 was you know, a blessing. But it was hard. I mean, 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.920 I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna say it 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:09.439 was hard. Three boys, three dogs. How many dogs did 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.760 you guys have in the house? A lot? Three boys, 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:16.640 four or five dogs, fiances, then wives, and then nephews, 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.760 so you know, it was amazing. She had a full compound, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:24.559 going wow, wow, Yeah, I had two kids, two dogs, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.680 and then I didn't even see in that first lockdown 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.280 my sister and her kids and her husband lived you know, 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.959 ten minutes away. We didn't even see them during that 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.920 first you know, eight weeks or whatever, so we really 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.679 just were the four of us for the very first time, 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.880 I think, without anyone. Um. Yeah, it was. It was 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.320 kind of magical. Though. There was a lot that I 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.120 really really loved and I still love, especially I feel 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.840 like them at these ages where I don't think I 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:55.679 would typically get that kind of quality time, certainly, not 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.880 evenings around the table or watching movies together, you know, weekend. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.840 It's like they they would normally be just like a 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.520 shadow of themselves. Um, I think during these years, but 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.199 lots of quality time and what were you doing? Mostly 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.280 were you I was still working as they were going 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.040 to school after that initial spring break time and we 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.000 were all off and trying to figure out things. My 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.280 my mother in law was down in Florida and she 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.880 was quite ill and ultimately passed from COVID. So that 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.200 was early days. So I feel like we very much 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.240 were in that space that um. But we were reading 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.200 about in the news and seeing on television like we 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:35.559 lived it, you know, caregivers on the phone and um, 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.000 you know, it was it was intense. Um. And then 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.840 also my kids really hadn't lost anybody before, so to 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.400 have that be their first big loss during the pandemic 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.480 while they were home, it was it was pretty intense. UM. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.440 But then once everybody kind of started to find their 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.960 their routines, we all found our corner of the house. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.040 We don't have great WiFi out there, so that was 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.600 a challenge. You know, crash and we'd all be screaming 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.480 like turn on. I guess if anyone really had any 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.560 control of that either. But it was kind of also 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.560 nice to know, like if they were down. I was down, 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.240 like what could we do? I was outside as much 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:14.920 as I could. That was the beauty of being able 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.760 to be outside of the city during um those few months, 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.280 and so to go for a walk or go for 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.520 a run or something like that. I really felt like 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.040 the pool of nature even more than I normally do. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.680 UM and I think my kids did too, like bike rides, walks, 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.040 um even alone just to like get the space that 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:33.559 we needed to be able to kind of come back 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.400 together again. UM. That was kind of critical to clear head. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:42.480 And you're you're a major marathon or correct major? Yeah, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:47.199 I completed my ninth full marathon last November. I've done 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:52.679 all the six world marathons as well. Um. Yeah, I 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.400 I've found that I love running now. I now, I 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.839 kind of wish that I discovered it earlier. But maybe 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.240 that's why I'm surviving as a runner now, is that 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:04.520 I didn't discover it earlier, and so far my joints 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.520 and bones are intact. So will you share with us 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.720 the the tips that you were giving me to start running, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.760 which I admittedly have not started doing. Bobby will enjoy this. 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.000 Christie was I think it was last summer You're or 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.400 maybe last spring, She's like, would you should run the 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.720 marathon with me? And I was like, we obviously don't 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.560 know each other very well, because if you knew me better, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.880 you would know that's not something I want to do. 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:28.959 But I was really inspired by the idea that you 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:30.320 had asked me to do it that I was like, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.160 maybe someday, I promise I will run it for you 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.600 if I do it, but I don't know that that's 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.120 happening even a five k. Honestly, the walking walking is 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.400 probably the best exercise you can do, and it's probably 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.360 the healthiest for your body. Um, and anyone could do 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.240 it anywhere, right like whatever of your urban or suburban 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.960 or in rural rural part of the world, I think. 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.600 And if you do it at a pace like I think, 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.200 that's actually the healthiest for all of us and you 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.280 get all the benefits of the like solitude and meditation 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.960 and bree thing. Um. Yeah, I think a five k 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:10.120 could be okay for you. Okay, k Unsually do you walk? 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.200 I do? I walk a ton. I can walk for 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.720 like days. I mean, I would like traverse the country 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.280 if I had to walking. I can walk with no problem. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.560 But it's the running I've never you know, it's interesting, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.280 I think because as a kid, I feel like you 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.360 guys have different narratives around this. But for me as 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.560 a kid, because I wasn't traditionally athletic and like the 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.800 American school system, like I didn't play American sports well, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.760 like basketball or volleyball or whatever. I wasn't good at that. 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.600 So I had a very strong narrative that I wasn't athletic. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.679 I conflated the two and it was really hard for 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.840 me to then grow up and be like, oh, I 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.679 was athletic in a different way. But I really was like, oh, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.240 I'm not a fast runner, or I'm not the best 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.400 on the basketball team, even if I'm tall or whatever, 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.200 So that means I'm not athletic. So it's been hard 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.080 to to change that narrative. Christie, how do I change 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.160 that narrative? Tell me? We sort of tell yourself right, like, um, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.600 we are what we say we are actually, But my 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.839 dad had three girls with my mom, and he had 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.760 two children before he was married to my mom. But 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.760 there are three sisters, and he had us do every sport, 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.320 and I would say I was not the most natural athlete, 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:23.160 but I had to still you know, plague, soccer, um, softball, 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.960 ski and he had us do some track and field 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.960 as well at little like community college nearby. And I 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.720 was I got tall, and I learned that I was 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.000 fast when I was young, and so I did think 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.440 of myself as a runner, and so then dropped it 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.040 for many, many years. And when I came back to 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.040 start running, um for for every mother counts, it was 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.440 like I discovered or rediscovered that I actually love it. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.360 And it's like human beings, they run for play, they 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.160 run like we We are runners, Like human beings are 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.840 naturally runners. We just in our sort of more sedentary Um, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.960 I don't know devolution, I would say, have become a 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.160 lot more still in static and tied to our seats. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.040 And so I don't know. If you can get that 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.080 mentality that it's actually playful, that it's fun as opposed 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.080 to a chore like work or exercise, then um, you 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.120 can start to kind of discover that part of yourself 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.640 that you probably forgot. And were you a runner when 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.600 you were modeling a little bit sometimes, but again more 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.640 for exercise. I would say, like, I don't know if 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.560 you remember, there was like no gyms anywhere, especially in 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.240 Europe at the time, hotels didn't have gyms, or if 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.200 they did, as like a teeny tiny room um in 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.760 the basement of a hotel, and so I would sometimes 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.720 bring shoes and go out for a run if I 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.920 was jet lagged or there was a park nearby. Um. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.400 But I can't say I loved it. It was more 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.160 like the something that I should be doing that I 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.320 you know, I should be doing it like a chore 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.360 like part of my job, but not necessarily what I loved. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:57.400 Did you love modeling? No, No, you didn't. You knows 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.120 you didn't love modeling. You just kind of sucked, know. 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.360 I mean, I think I liked a lot of things 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.680 about the job that had nothing to do with the 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.560 actual job. Um. I like the people. I like the 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.880 playfulness again, I guess like to me when I, yeah, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:18.480 when I was a teenager and started working, I would 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.520 come to New York and you know, you have this 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:25.400 creative group of people playing dress up essentially, like it 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.960 was so much more fun than my friends in high 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:31.200 school doing whatever they were doing, Like it like trying 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.040 to be trying to go to clubs. And I did 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.440 a little bit of that too when I got here. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.240 But for the most part. The work part of the 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.080 day was more like fun, like what are we gonna 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.800 do today and what's the going to be? And like 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.120 playing and trying and scratching it and starting something again, 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.320 Like there was something that was so kind of I 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.760 don't know, it really felt like a collaborative, fun, creative 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.720 process that even as a model, because I don't always 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.680 find the model role of the whole team and fashion 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.880 to be the most creative one. I mean, certainly there 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.280 are some that are very creative, but I always kind 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.639 of found like I'm supposed to be sort of I 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.440 don't know, playing back in a way another person's or 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.960 company's fantasy as opposed to being like an active participant 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.440 in it. But there were so many instances early on 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.600 that I think I really like that feeling of being 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.480 a part of a team and then going on a trip, 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.520 Like for me, that travel was always the most fun 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.960 part about the whole job and the most exciting part. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.359 And I always love to, like go to a new country, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.280 go to a new city, and so you know, when 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.879 you travel with people, you bond, you connect, you have 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.520 these shared experiences, and to me that was everything. So 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.240 the actually like okay, you gotta get up at five 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.200 in the morning and get ready and then go stand 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.880 in the cold or do whatever we have to do. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.399 That was like the but the fun part is like 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.840 the getting there, the meals in between, the just the 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.840 adventures that happened when you get on the road. That 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.439 was so Now you're gonna laugh at me because to me, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.639 I mean, I'm a lawyer by training, and but to me, 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.440 what you're describing doesn't actually sound that different from what 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.919 I loved about being a young lawyer in London or 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.159 in Paris or wherever. Was the travel and it was 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.359 the people, and there was an aspect of it that 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.240 was fun. The job stank like that was not the 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.840 fun part, but it was. I mean, I would rather 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.160 have been a model, I think in a direct video, 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.760 but um, you know, you take what you can get. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.480 But it's uh, I think at that age there is 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.199 something so opening through your job. It's just like it 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.520 was a different time or like that was really the 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.879 portal for me to experience so much was that first 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:49.439 those first work experiences. Absolutely, the people that Christie was 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.359 working with. I mean, I'll tell you from being in 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.320 the same industry, the top of the top, you know, 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.520 the orbit the photographers like honestly, like the top of 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.800 the Top. I mean, I don't think you did much 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.520 catalog work, Christie, Well that that's actually the funny thing. 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.480 I feel like there was a lot of catalog work 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.840 then remember Spiegel did you ever work? So there was 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.120 like the German clients and the German catalogs right where 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.359 you get there, and literally you couldn't sit down for lunch. 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.239 It was like, you know, the clock is ticking, and 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.439 how I think could get ten shots? I mean like 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.360 it was just a machine, and so that's no fun. 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.080 I mean you'd hope that you could have a laugh 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.720 in the makeup and hair, you know, chairs, because otherwise 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.760 it was a bit of torture. And then there was 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.040 every now and again the fun shoot, which you're right. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.320 I got to work with some of the most amazing people, 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.360 many of them are no longer with us um, but 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.240 to have had that experience to get to I think 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.040 the beauty also being a model or or on the 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.040 hair makeup team, is that we get to come in 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.400 and out of those crews and those teams all the time, 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.000 work with the different magazines. You get kind of insight 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:58.440 to it all. Whereas the photographers. You know, they only 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.159 know what they know, They only know their own universe. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.040 And and I think that can I don't know, for 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.560 like the assistance in the groups that are so tightly 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.119 connected to at one team. I think you miss a 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.520 lot of the fun because you only know that one team. Yeah, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.000 I see you on Instagram, you know with all the 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.200 other models, you know, the same models of the same 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.760 You know, you seem to be friends with a bunch 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.240 of the girls. Do you keep in touch with a 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.119 bunch of them? Yeah, I mean I I don't see 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.040 too many in person these days, just because of COVID. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.120 But then also not everybody lives in New York anymore. Um, 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.679 I you know, I'll see Cindy sometimes. She lives in 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.560 l A, but she comes to New York quite a bit. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.199 Uh Naomi is still moving at the pace that she 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.639 always did, even in the pandemic somehow, And I mean, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:49.960 I know, unbelievable. I know, she's she's a hero, amazing. 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.600 So when did you start, every mother count what was 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.159 happening in your journey when you started at Yeah, I 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.840