WEBVTT - 6. One More Day in Paradise 0:00:14.996 --> 0:00:25.636 Pushkin, Hey, Dana, Chuck Chuck the Sarah bal Blue Last 0:00:25.716 --> 0:00:28.716 Hill Shaff Station. Hey just call on you touching base 0:00:29.116 --> 0:00:33.756 a backup work es since you text, that's Salvador Bissarah 0:00:34.116 --> 0:00:37.436 goes by Chuck. He's the new captain of Lost Hill Station. 0:00:38.756 --> 0:00:41.636 The station has been in turmoil since Router was arrested. 0:00:42.156 --> 0:00:46.876 Scandal after scandal. Remember when Kobe Bryant's helicopter crashed in 0:00:46.916 --> 0:00:50.596 the Calabasas Hills. Well County Sheriff's deputies are facing discipline 0:00:50.596 --> 0:00:54.316 now for taking and sharing graphic photos at the scene 0:00:54.316 --> 0:00:57.276 of the helicopter crash that killed nine people, including Kobe 0:00:57.316 --> 0:01:00.916 Bryant eight deputies. According to media reports, some of those 0:01:00.956 --> 0:01:05.556 deputies taking and sharing photos were from Lost Hills. I've 0:01:05.596 --> 0:01:07.196 been trying to get in with the leadership at the 0:01:07.236 --> 0:01:09.876 station ever since I heard about the murder in the park. 0:01:10.996 --> 0:01:13.956 Sometimes I just go to the station and stare at 0:01:13.956 --> 0:01:17.756 the mirrored glass behind the unattended reception desk. On the 0:01:17.796 --> 0:01:20.516 other side lie the answers to everything that doesn't make 0:01:20.556 --> 0:01:23.596 sense about this case. But all I can see is 0:01:24.316 --> 0:01:29.276 myself reflected back at me. It's the perfect metaphor for 0:01:29.316 --> 0:01:32.956 the Sheriff's department. They see out, but you can't see in. 0:01:34.156 --> 0:01:39.236 But the weird thing about Captain Bassarah, he's friendly. This 0:01:39.276 --> 0:01:42.516 guy calls me, I think you've been keeping up with 0:01:42.516 --> 0:01:45.036 the politics here. Remember I was the act captain here 0:01:45.116 --> 0:01:49.356 and they got replaced and they got sent back. He's nice, 0:01:49.916 --> 0:01:54.316 he wants to help. You're getting stonewalled, he tells me cheerfully. 0:01:55.116 --> 0:01:59.196 When you're getting stonewalled, you know you're onto a good story. 0:01:59.756 --> 0:02:03.476 Something obviously went wrong at Lost Hill Station. There was 0:02:03.516 --> 0:02:06.276 apparently a shooter on the loose and Malibu for over 0:02:06.316 --> 0:02:09.116 a year and a half, and it was kept secret. 0:02:10.236 --> 0:02:14.076 Not only that the alleged shooter hated the Lost Hills cops, 0:02:14.436 --> 0:02:17.596 had frequent contact with law enforcement and lived in the 0:02:17.676 --> 0:02:21.276 hills behind the station. And Sergeant Wright, who gave me 0:02:21.316 --> 0:02:25.316 the helicopter tour, He and Lieutenant Royal, the two Lost 0:02:25.396 --> 0:02:28.916 Hills deputies who argued there was a serial sniper would 0:02:28.956 --> 0:02:33.676 be serial killer in Malibu and then found him. They're 0:02:33.756 --> 0:02:41.396 under investigation what went wrong. Sarah's newly in charge. He 0:02:41.436 --> 0:02:43.676 wasn't there for all the mess, but he says he 0:02:43.916 --> 0:02:47.596 really really wants me to find out the truth. He 0:02:47.716 --> 0:02:51.436 wishes he could tell me, but he can. He'd get fired, 0:02:51.476 --> 0:02:55.916 at a minimum, possibly charged. The truth he keeps promising 0:02:55.916 --> 0:03:00.116 me is a bombshell. It's crazy crazy, it's gonna be 0:03:00.196 --> 0:03:02.156 It'll make a good movie or a good book, or 0:03:02.356 --> 0:03:05.196 so he should get a chapter in it. Anyways, call 0:03:05.276 --> 0:03:06.596 me when you get a chance. I'll be in the 0:03:06.596 --> 0:03:13.276 rest of the week. Okay, by bye, I think I 0:03:13.396 --> 0:03:20.796 might be in. I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, 0:03:48.316 --> 0:03:55.556 episode six, One More Day in Paradise. In twenty sixteen 0:03:55.596 --> 0:03:58.476 and twenty seventeen, there was a series of near miss 0:03:58.476 --> 0:04:02.556 shootings in and around Malibu Creek State Park, than nothing 0:04:02.596 --> 0:04:06.476 for eleven months. In the summer of twenty eighteen, there 0:04:06.556 --> 0:04:10.476 was a sixth attack another near miss. It involved a 0:04:10.516 --> 0:04:13.676 white tesla being driven by a man named Ian Kincaid. 0:04:14.436 --> 0:04:18.316 The date was June eighteenth, four days before Tristan Boudett 0:04:18.396 --> 0:04:29.276 was killed. Today, I'm at Ian's house at the top 0:04:29.316 --> 0:04:32.196 of a twisty road in the Malibu Hills. Standing in 0:04:32.236 --> 0:04:36.476 front of his garage, he pulls the car out. The 0:04:36.556 --> 0:04:39.476 white hood has a single piece of white electrical tape 0:04:39.676 --> 0:04:43.756 right between the headlights. He peels it away, revealing a 0:04:43.836 --> 0:04:49.676 deep gash. Wow, yeah, let me understand why I don't 0:04:49.676 --> 0:04:51.996 want my kids to see it. So I was going 0:04:52.036 --> 0:04:55.276 about sixty miles an hour, sixty five or something like 0:04:55.316 --> 0:04:57.676 that when I pulled over, But beforehand, I'd been going 0:04:57.996 --> 0:05:02.876 considerably faster. Ian works as a gaffer in Hollywood, which 0:05:02.956 --> 0:05:06.036 means it's his job to light the sets. He's worked 0:05:06.076 --> 0:05:08.916 on six Quentin Tarantino movies, and on the day we're 0:05:09.156 --> 0:05:11.396 talking about, he was headed to the set of Once 0:05:11.476 --> 0:05:14.396 Upon a Time in Hollywood. He wanted to get there 0:05:14.556 --> 0:05:18.916 by six am. Let me up the hood, so he 0:05:18.996 --> 0:05:21.836 got up in the dark and left his home. He 0:05:21.876 --> 0:05:25.596 took Malibu Canyon Road. I was driving through the canyon 0:05:25.636 --> 0:05:32.476 about four twenty and I was driving pretty fast. Sometimes 0:05:32.476 --> 0:05:36.076 in the morning, i'd drive excess of speed, and I thought, 0:05:36.116 --> 0:05:37.676 you know what, I'm going to get there too early. 0:05:37.716 --> 0:05:39.676 I don't need to speed, So I slowed down and 0:05:40.636 --> 0:05:43.516 within a minute was when the bullet hit my car. 0:05:44.796 --> 0:05:47.996 And I remember thinking, what's that sound? Yeah, it was 0:05:48.036 --> 0:05:50.476 like it was like I thought, did I leave a 0:05:50.476 --> 0:05:54.236 coffee cup on my roof again? And was at what 0:05:54.316 --> 0:05:57.196 that was rattling? Or I thought I looked down my 0:05:57.596 --> 0:06:00.796 tea cup was right there, and I thought, well, maybe 0:06:00.876 --> 0:06:03.956 it was an acorn because I was driving near some 0:06:03.996 --> 0:06:05.836 oak trees and just you know, these are just thoughts 0:06:05.876 --> 0:06:08.676 at four o'clock in the morning, I wasn't trying to 0:06:08.716 --> 0:06:12.916 solve any mysteries. And then within i'd say ten seconds, 0:06:12.956 --> 0:06:16.956 maybe the the alarm started going off. So I pulled 0:06:16.956 --> 0:06:19.356 over and got out of the car, and it was 0:06:19.436 --> 0:06:22.236 pitch dark, no other traffic, and I slammed the right 0:06:22.236 --> 0:06:24.756 I pulled over right there at the at the Hindu temple. 0:06:25.516 --> 0:06:28.436 The bullet went in the hood, passed through the front 0:06:28.436 --> 0:06:31.956 trunk and out the fender. You can see it wouldn't 0:06:32.436 --> 0:06:34.356 take too much of a change in speed for that 0:06:34.436 --> 0:06:40.476 to gone in elsewhere. You know, his height wasn't too 0:06:40.476 --> 0:06:43.116 far off, you know, if he was indeed aiming at me. 0:06:45.156 --> 0:06:48.036 I tesked the hole with my pinky. It has a 0:06:48.156 --> 0:06:51.916 jagged edge. I can feel how close a call that was, 0:06:52.476 --> 0:06:56.556 how the bullets so easily could have hit him. So 0:06:56.636 --> 0:06:59.756 I went through there. They've replaced this piece. I think 0:07:00.476 --> 0:07:06.716 it came through here and then out the fender from 0:07:06.876 --> 0:07:11.036 from about here, and they said it might have bounced 0:07:11.036 --> 0:07:15.796 off the tire. After work, Ian says he stopped by 0:07:15.876 --> 0:07:19.636 Lost Hill station. He remembers the deputy who took the 0:07:19.716 --> 0:07:23.316 report didn't appear too worried, so she took a picture, 0:07:23.316 --> 0:07:25.076 and she handed me a slip of paper with a 0:07:25.196 --> 0:07:27.396 number one and said, this is your crime report if 0:07:27.396 --> 0:07:31.396 you ever need it. Okay, And they weren't concerned. There 0:07:31.436 --> 0:07:37.636 was no nobody expressing any kind of serious interest in it. 0:07:40.996 --> 0:07:43.196 For the next few days, he tells me, he felt 0:07:43.276 --> 0:07:47.556 strange and avoided Malibu Canyon. When he couldn't avoid the road, 0:07:47.796 --> 0:07:53.796 he ruminated where had that shot come from, who had 0:07:53.796 --> 0:08:00.516 fired it, and why. Then four days later, on June 0:08:00.556 --> 0:08:06.676 twenty second, Bodat was killed. I remember driving through Malbi 0:08:06.756 --> 0:08:13.596 Canyon seeing a lot of cops and a fenced off area, 0:08:13.716 --> 0:08:17.516 and you know, if something was going on, and I 0:08:17.596 --> 0:08:21.956 got to work and uh, and I really don't recall 0:08:21.956 --> 0:08:23.876 when I learned, but they learned that somebody had been 0:08:23.916 --> 0:08:37.276 murdered in the campground. I thought, wow, that's that's bizarre. Suddenly, 0:08:37.316 --> 0:08:40.516 he says, the cops were all over him. My phone 0:08:40.556 --> 0:08:44.876 just lit up, and within I been in a half 0:08:44.876 --> 0:08:50.916 an hour, I probably got twenty calls from sheriffs, from LPD, 0:08:51.196 --> 0:09:02.876 from Lost hills, from rangers, from newspapers, from reporters, and 0:09:02.876 --> 0:09:07.876 I just what is this. They summoned him back to 0:09:07.956 --> 0:09:11.236 Lost Hill station, where a group of deputies quickly ushered 0:09:11.276 --> 0:09:13.836 him around the side. So I drove around the back 0:09:14.356 --> 0:09:18.156 and there must have been fifteen guys in uniform that 0:09:18.276 --> 0:09:21.156 came up, and there were a lot of guys that 0:09:21.236 --> 0:09:24.796 were just like volunteer kind of guys wearing sheriff's deputy 0:09:24.876 --> 0:09:28.036 sheriff's stuff. There was a sargeantie, remember, and there was 0:09:28.076 --> 0:09:32.396 a detective and they had a handful of dowels and 0:09:32.516 --> 0:09:36.676 they have different diameter, and they put the dowels into 0:09:36.716 --> 0:09:40.116 the hole. And that was Sergeant Twoey Wright and his 0:09:40.156 --> 0:09:44.196 search and rescue team. Sergeant Wright saw this shooting as 0:09:44.236 --> 0:09:47.516 another one of the near misses and believed that whoever 0:09:47.556 --> 0:09:51.756 had done it had also likely killed Tristan Boudet. They 0:09:51.796 --> 0:09:54.556 were trying to figure out the trajectory of the bullet. 0:09:55.796 --> 0:10:01.276 The trajectory was important investigating the BMW shooting. Sergeant Wright 0:10:01.316 --> 0:10:04.676 had found that hill the suspected shooting mound on the 0:10:04.716 --> 0:10:07.876 park side of the canyon road. He was wondering if 0:10:07.916 --> 0:10:11.876 whoever shot the test had fired from the same elevated spot, 0:10:13.356 --> 0:10:16.436 and later, after the Woolsey fire had burned a bunch 0:10:16.476 --> 0:10:19.876 of brush away, he went back and searched there and 0:10:20.076 --> 0:10:25.436 found nine millimeter casings. But back in June twenty eighteen, 0:10:25.556 --> 0:10:31.956 Ian says, the deputies were being secretive by what I gathered. 0:10:32.196 --> 0:10:34.756 They didn't want to tell me anything. They were trying 0:10:34.756 --> 0:10:36.596 to usher me away from the car most of the 0:10:36.636 --> 0:10:39.636 time and have somebody else asked me questions while they 0:10:39.636 --> 0:10:41.996 were putting the dolls in and stuff. But I was 0:10:42.956 --> 0:10:45.876 Ian says he did hear one thing loud and clear, 0:10:46.636 --> 0:10:49.396 and it confused him in the months ahead, when he, 0:10:49.916 --> 0:10:53.476 like everyone else in Malibu, kept hearing the Sheriff's departments 0:10:53.476 --> 0:10:57.316 say there was no connection, no relation, no link among 0:10:57.356 --> 0:11:02.236 all these violent crimes. He overheard Sergeant Wright and the 0:11:02.316 --> 0:11:06.996 deputies say that he Ian was the eighth victim in 0:11:07.076 --> 0:11:17.356 an ongoing shooting spree that had just turned deadly. I 0:11:17.476 --> 0:11:22.196 believed they said that I was number eight, and I thought, 0:11:22.636 --> 0:11:26.036 what's that mean? When I might number eight? And then 0:11:26.356 --> 0:11:33.196 a little later they said that is it Tristan, Yeah, 0:11:33.476 --> 0:11:37.756 that he was number nine. This was the thinking of 0:11:37.796 --> 0:11:41.996 a faction inside Lost Hill Station. They didn't yet know 0:11:42.156 --> 0:11:45.196 who the canyon shooter was, but they believed that he 0:11:45.236 --> 0:11:48.316 was out there for a year and a half. They'd 0:11:48.316 --> 0:11:52.476 been telling the department, but the department wouldn't listen. The 0:11:52.596 --> 0:11:55.556 Tesla shooting had been the Sheriff's Department's last chance to 0:11:55.596 --> 0:12:21.756 intervene before the murder, and they missed. Captain Bissarah is 0:12:21.836 --> 0:12:27.236 inviting me to come and see him at Lost Hill Station. Yes, 0:12:27.796 --> 0:12:30.596 of course I want to come. It'll be my first 0:12:30.636 --> 0:12:35.516 time behind the mirrored glass. He's a generous host. He 0:12:35.596 --> 0:12:38.436 takes me around to meet the detectives. He takes me 0:12:38.436 --> 0:12:40.836 outside to the parking lot so I can see the helipad. 0:12:41.636 --> 0:12:45.116 There's a pile of scat right on the seal mountain Lion. 0:12:45.196 --> 0:12:50.076 Maybe I look around at the dry, empty hills over 0:12:50.116 --> 0:12:53.076 the ridge. Is that steep slope where Rowda made his camp? 0:12:53.956 --> 0:12:57.636 How did it take them so long to find him? 0:12:57.796 --> 0:13:01.156 Captain Bissarah is babbling on about how cops hate journalists. 0:13:01.156 --> 0:13:02.436 How if I'm ever going to find out what I 0:13:02.436 --> 0:13:04.876 want to know about this investigation, I'm going to need 0:13:04.876 --> 0:13:07.596 to build some trust. He thinks I should meet as 0:13:07.676 --> 0:13:11.396 many deputies as possible, go out with them, see Malibu 0:13:11.596 --> 0:13:15.196 through their eyes. He suggests, I going to ride along 0:13:15.356 --> 0:13:25.396 with the beach team. Okay. Rowda told me in a 0:13:25.476 --> 0:13:28.436 letter that he hasn't been to Malibu's beaches in years, 0:13:28.476 --> 0:13:31.356 since the mid two thousands, but it's worth a try. 0:13:32.436 --> 0:13:34.356 So I spend a morning weaving in and out of 0:13:34.356 --> 0:13:42.076 sunbathers on a quad. There was an incident regarding paparazzi's 0:13:42.436 --> 0:13:46.796 in Matthew McConaughey near a paradise cove, and there was 0:13:46.836 --> 0:13:52.356 an incident where a paparazzi was assaulted and his property 0:13:52.476 --> 0:13:56.076 was vandalized, thrown in the water, his camera. And then 0:13:56.116 --> 0:13:58.796 we had some pirates guys that were dressed in pirate 0:13:58.796 --> 0:14:01.476 outfits that were at zooma seven in the parking lot 0:14:01.916 --> 0:14:05.516 that were smoking marijuana in their car. They said they 0:14:05.556 --> 0:14:07.676 were in a band, so they've dressed like fires. There's 0:14:07.676 --> 0:14:10.756 smoke at weed in their car. That was back when weeds. 0:14:10.996 --> 0:14:14.356 I mean, you're still not supposed to smoke in public, 0:14:14.556 --> 0:14:17.396 but it was more of a big deal back then. 0:14:19.116 --> 0:14:21.996 This job's fun because you just drive around and watch everything. 0:14:40.836 --> 0:14:47.276 M M, it's Bassarah. He tells me he's arranged today 0:14:47.316 --> 0:14:51.516 with Malibu Search and Rescue Sergeant Toy rights old team. 0:14:51.556 --> 0:14:53.596 I head back to the station and climb into a 0:14:53.636 --> 0:15:00.956 Search and rescue SUV. Search and Rescue played a pivotal 0:15:01.036 --> 0:15:03.716 role in the route investigation. They found a lot of 0:15:03.756 --> 0:15:07.036 evidence and assisted in the capture operation. I've been trying 0:15:07.076 --> 0:15:14.836 to get on their radar for months, so UM for 0:15:14.876 --> 0:15:18.236 the team. We drive around for hours looking at the 0:15:18.276 --> 0:15:22.476 beautiful ocean views. The guys tell me some stories. A 0:15:22.556 --> 0:15:25.196 gentleman called the sheriff station and thought, there's a woman 0:15:25.196 --> 0:15:28.436 being attacked on a trail. This is Mark Hollander, a 0:15:28.556 --> 0:15:30.996 medical officer was Search and Rescue was He was wondering 0:15:31.036 --> 0:15:33.156 if she was being beaten or raped. Was very concerned. 0:15:33.516 --> 0:15:35.916 We came out there, did a big search, found no 0:15:35.996 --> 0:15:38.836 evidence of anybody on the trail, any evidence of a 0:15:38.836 --> 0:15:42.716 woman that was attacked. Um. One of our team members said, 0:15:42.796 --> 0:15:45.476 you know, I believe that when mountain lions are in heat, 0:15:45.516 --> 0:15:48.836 they put out a sound very similar to a woman screaming. 0:15:49.156 --> 0:15:53.156 So he went onto Google and was able to get 0:15:53.636 --> 0:15:56.996 the recording of this sound, which does sound like a 0:15:57.076 --> 0:16:00.596 woman screaming for help, actually saying help, help, help type 0:16:00.596 --> 0:16:06.956 thing very similar. He's not wrong, this is a recording 0:16:06.956 --> 0:16:13.236 I found, so we as a fall if we went 0:16:13.276 --> 0:16:17.036 to the gentleman's house who reported it, and played that 0:16:17.076 --> 0:16:20.036 tape for him and said, is this what you heard 0:16:20.036 --> 0:16:22.076 that night? And he goes, oh my god, Yes, that's 0:16:22.116 --> 0:16:25.276 the exact sound I heard. Did you find did you 0:16:25.316 --> 0:16:28.116 find the woman? Did she? Ohsh okay? We said, actually know. 0:16:28.236 --> 0:16:30.236 The sound you're hearing is a malon lion and heat. 0:16:31.156 --> 0:16:35.356 It's a good story, but they're not telling me the story. 0:16:35.956 --> 0:16:39.836 Did you get what you needed? Basarah asks, totally. I lie. 0:16:41.356 --> 0:16:44.716 I've been at this for weeks, driving all over Malibu, 0:16:45.396 --> 0:16:49.876 wasting time, getting the run around, looking out the passenger 0:16:49.956 --> 0:17:09.556 side window, watching the stone walls stream past. Then I 0:17:09.596 --> 0:17:13.076 get a number for a retired Lostills detective named JT. Manuel, 0:17:13.796 --> 0:17:15.876 and he agrees to meet me at a park about 0:17:15.876 --> 0:17:21.156 five miles from the station. He knows all about Lieutenant Royal. Yeah, 0:17:21.236 --> 0:17:30.476 he's very intelligent, extremely intelligent mentally and his never give 0:17:30.556 --> 0:17:34.596 up at ititude. I mean, he's relentless. He knows Sergeant 0:17:34.716 --> 0:17:38.516 Right too well. Two, he's a hunter, so he's a 0:17:38.516 --> 0:17:43.836 good tracker, and he worked narcotics wherever. He's a very 0:17:44.476 --> 0:17:48.796 smart guy. Detective Manuel is a big guy with blue 0:17:48.796 --> 0:17:52.156 eyes and a Steelers baseball cap. We sit down on 0:17:52.196 --> 0:17:55.196 a bench by the playground. You know, a lot of stills. 0:17:55.196 --> 0:17:58.316 It's different that way, where you got to work a 0:17:58.316 --> 0:18:00.796 lot harder to find the bad guys because they're not 0:18:02.116 --> 0:18:05.556 all over the place and the crime rates usually are 0:18:05.636 --> 0:18:08.876 not that high in this area, so you've got a 0:18:09.356 --> 0:18:13.716 kind of be a hard worker to get things accomplish. 0:18:13.756 --> 0:18:16.116 He was a detective at Lost Hill Station for twenty 0:18:16.116 --> 0:18:20.556 five years. He reported directly to Lieutenant Royal. He heard 0:18:20.596 --> 0:18:23.636 about near Missus one through three, the early shootings in 0:18:23.676 --> 0:18:28.156 Malibu Creek State Park, from Lieutenant Royal. Lieutenant Royal's very 0:18:28.196 --> 0:18:32.516 hands on supervisor, so he, you know, he made sure 0:18:32.556 --> 0:18:36.396 we were briefed about it. And then near Missus four 0:18:36.436 --> 0:18:39.956 and five happened on the Canyon Road. I think a 0:18:40.036 --> 0:18:44.076 lot of us believed there was a pattern between three 0:18:44.116 --> 0:18:48.196 and four. Definitely. By five, definitely we knew we had 0:18:48.236 --> 0:18:52.076 a shooter out there. Lieutenant Royal and his detective started 0:18:52.156 --> 0:18:56.036 chasing down everything, even though, as Sergeant Wright told me, 0:18:56.316 --> 0:18:59.236 his superiors in the department weren't giving him much support. 0:19:00.076 --> 0:19:05.116 Lieutenant Royal was looking for a pattern and looking at 0:19:05.236 --> 0:19:09.716 people in the area, and we were all going off 0:19:09.756 --> 0:19:14.756 of leads or suspicions and everything else. He was starting 0:19:14.756 --> 0:19:20.516 to develop potential suspect names, potential people of interest who 0:19:21.436 --> 0:19:26.076 may have been somewhat radical, radical behavior and all that. 0:19:26.316 --> 0:19:33.196 So we were definitely looking at different individuals possibly possibly 0:19:33.236 --> 0:19:38.556 could be an area. They were looking for someone they 0:19:38.636 --> 0:19:44.316 just didn't know who. It's very hard to find people 0:19:44.436 --> 0:19:47.716 in the hills. There's all kinds of people living in 0:19:47.756 --> 0:19:51.236 the hills that you don't know about that you stumble 0:19:51.316 --> 0:19:55.636 across or you get a phone call on, and it 0:19:55.756 --> 0:20:00.236 truly is if you're looking for one individual without a 0:20:00.276 --> 0:20:04.036 lot of go on, it can be like a needle 0:20:04.036 --> 0:20:07.116 in a haystack. We did not have a lot of leads. 0:20:08.516 --> 0:20:10.596 I asked him if they were starting to develop a 0:20:10.636 --> 0:20:16.196 psychological profile. Yeah. I just thought the person was definitely 0:20:16.236 --> 0:20:21.636 somebody disturbed who had some kind of anger towards the 0:20:21.676 --> 0:20:25.596 public at large. Did you start to think at any 0:20:25.596 --> 0:20:29.916 point that maybe the anger was toward law enforcement personally? 0:20:30.956 --> 0:20:35.036 That crossed my mind, Yes, But I think more more 0:20:35.356 --> 0:20:38.596 than anything, I thought this guy was just seriously out 0:20:38.636 --> 0:20:43.956 to hurt somebody, lone wolf type of guy. Did Routa's 0:20:43.996 --> 0:20:47.716 name come up at that point. I think with Routa, 0:20:48.196 --> 0:20:52.436 I think that came up probably after they saw the 0:20:52.476 --> 0:20:58.996 tape with him burglarized and the gun. This conversation has 0:20:59.076 --> 0:21:03.516 definitely helped me understand how and when Anthony Rowda became 0:21:03.516 --> 0:21:06.556 a suspect. But I wonder if he can speak to 0:21:06.596 --> 0:21:09.996 the other thing that's puzzling me, the investor instigation into 0:21:10.036 --> 0:21:13.876 Sergeant Right and Lieutenant Royal. I don't think it was fair. 0:21:13.996 --> 0:21:16.556 I don't think it was right, and I don't think 0:21:16.636 --> 0:21:22.956 it was warranted. Two deputies or two people from Lost Tills, 0:21:23.076 --> 0:21:26.596 which is commonly thought of as a slow station, went 0:21:26.676 --> 0:21:31.116 out and basically found a murderer and stayed persistent and 0:21:31.116 --> 0:21:36.356 collected some important evidence. And I don't know if personally 0:21:36.396 --> 0:21:39.236 that rubbed somebody the wrong way or they felt like 0:21:39.276 --> 0:21:46.276 it made him look bad. But I can't really give 0:21:46.316 --> 0:21:50.156 an answer to the motives of it. But it just, 0:21:50.716 --> 0:21:55.276 like I said, neither one of them deserved to be punished. 0:21:55.436 --> 0:21:58.996 They deserved to be rewarded. I know a lot of 0:21:59.036 --> 0:22:04.156 people were thinking that these two guys got screwed for 0:22:05.236 --> 0:22:09.396 working on working extremely hard, and like I said, it 0:22:09.516 --> 0:22:14.756 just did not make sense. So according to Detective Manuel. 0:22:15.156 --> 0:22:18.756 It wasn't that they did something wrong, it was politics. 0:22:19.956 --> 0:22:24.156 But who did they piss off? Who is that powerful? 0:23:00.316 --> 0:23:03.876 I make a plan to visit CC Woods. She knows 0:23:03.876 --> 0:23:06.876 a ton about the Sheriff's department and is leaser focused 0:23:06.916 --> 0:23:11.276 on Lost Hills. All this stuff, the exile of Sergeant 0:23:11.276 --> 0:23:14.796 Wright and Lieutenant Royal, the investigations into their police work, 0:23:15.476 --> 0:23:19.156 It all happened under the leadership of her friend, Sheriff 0:23:19.196 --> 0:23:23.996 Alex Vieneueva. Cecie gives me directions to a fifteen million 0:23:24.036 --> 0:23:27.436 dollar Malibu beach house. It belongs to another friend of hers. 0:23:28.236 --> 0:23:30.716 I drive up to find her in the garage doing 0:23:30.716 --> 0:23:34.636 her laundry because it's eight million degrees two miles up 0:23:34.636 --> 0:23:37.476 the canyon, and I didn't want you guys to melt. 0:23:38.716 --> 0:23:41.636 And I'm always here. Actually this is I literally come here, 0:23:42.236 --> 0:23:45.676 hang out with my girlfriend. I do my laundry in luxury, 0:23:46.236 --> 0:23:51.356 and I work swear work. We walk inside and the 0:23:51.356 --> 0:23:55.476 ocean fills every window. There's a pool, a gym, a 0:23:55.516 --> 0:24:00.036 massive tank filled with rare jellyfish. We sit down in 0:24:00.076 --> 0:24:02.956 the private movie theater and she launches right into a 0:24:02.996 --> 0:24:07.716 discussion of Sheriff Vienneueva so my relationship with Alex okay, 0:24:08.276 --> 0:24:12.396 she's crazy about him. When his retriever died, she posted 0:24:12.396 --> 0:24:15.356 a picture of him, his wife, Vivian, and the dog. 0:24:16.396 --> 0:24:20.476 I love you, she wrote. She says there's a lot 0:24:20.516 --> 0:24:24.156 of speculation about her closeness to Sheriff fian Aueva. You know, 0:24:24.196 --> 0:24:29.636 it started professionally when you're in a high profile situation, 0:24:30.996 --> 0:24:34.476 which with me started with the Malibu Creek State Park shootings, 0:24:34.516 --> 0:24:36.436 and that just kind of put my name all over 0:24:36.476 --> 0:24:41.636 the world and it still continues to. So when you 0:24:41.716 --> 0:24:47.796 form a relationship with somebody professionally during a very excuse me, 0:24:47.916 --> 0:24:56.196 during a very profound life changing time, so the people 0:24:56.196 --> 0:24:58.156 who are meant to stay in your life will stay, 0:24:58.556 --> 0:25:00.276 and the people who are not meant to stay in 0:25:00.316 --> 0:25:04.396 your life are not going to. WHOA. This conversation is 0:25:04.436 --> 0:25:07.356 getting weirder by the minute. I think they just look 0:25:07.356 --> 0:25:09.956 at me because of this cute little blonde thing, you know, 0:25:10.276 --> 0:25:13.716 this mouthy, little big boob blonde thing, and they think 0:25:13.716 --> 0:25:16.996 that like that's enough that to sway the Sheriff's like opinion, 0:25:17.116 --> 0:25:21.956 which is bullshit. And it's like, you know, I want 0:25:21.956 --> 0:25:27.556 to protect my ass too by not allowing people to 0:25:27.596 --> 0:25:31.276 think that I would ever use my sexuality to get somewhere, 0:25:31.316 --> 0:25:35.956 because I don't. I use facts, facts, truth, data, whatever. 0:25:36.156 --> 0:25:39.996 So anytime Ceci says, Sheriffian Aueva is doing exactly what 0:25:40.036 --> 0:25:44.876 she wants, cleaning house at Lost Tails station. Holy shit, Okay, 0:25:45.196 --> 0:25:48.236 good Lost Tales and bad Lost Sails. Let's go to 0:25:48.276 --> 0:25:52.276 the bad Lost Tails. Bad Lost Tails has been around 0:25:52.276 --> 0:25:57.436 for a very long time. That dark cloud just hung 0:25:57.596 --> 0:26:02.516 right over that station. You want to talk about continuing 0:26:02.956 --> 0:26:08.356 the rogue cop mentality, That's what was happening at that department. 0:26:09.116 --> 0:26:12.716 In twenty nineteen, a captain she really disliked had taken 0:26:12.756 --> 0:26:15.716 over at Lost Hills. At this point, I'm really fucking 0:26:15.716 --> 0:26:18.836 sick and tired of that househole, Okay and everybody else. 0:26:18.836 --> 0:26:22.116 He's a cock blocker over there. She wanted Sheriff Vienneueva 0:26:22.156 --> 0:26:24.956 to get rid of him, and she says she made 0:26:24.956 --> 0:26:28.156 it clear she would send Vienneueva pictures of the captain. 0:26:28.756 --> 0:26:31.876 I would draw a red circle around his head. It 0:26:31.996 --> 0:26:40.716 bexed through. I couldn't help myself. I'm like, I want 0:26:40.716 --> 0:26:44.956 that fucker. God. The guy she's talking about was captain 0:26:44.996 --> 0:26:47.956 at the time of the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash, so 0:26:48.036 --> 0:26:51.396 that wasn't good. And CC was upset about a sexual 0:26:51.396 --> 0:26:54.996 assault investigation where the victim was a college student in Malibu, 0:26:55.676 --> 0:26:58.956 so she pushed to get the captain canned and then 0:26:59.156 --> 0:27:02.156 for Chuck Bassarah to get his job, which he did. 0:27:02.996 --> 0:27:07.796 From what I heard rumor on the eighth floor is 0:27:07.876 --> 0:27:13.516 that and Alex did that. Every captain in the department 0:27:13.716 --> 0:27:23.396 crossed their legs and protected their man. CC clearly finds 0:27:23.436 --> 0:27:27.956 this all exhilarating. So now as soon as that happen, 0:27:29.836 --> 0:27:32.716 like two months later, one of the deputies comes up 0:27:32.756 --> 0:27:35.676 to me. He's like, oh, hey, CC, blah blah blah. 0:27:35.756 --> 0:27:37.756 You know, I just wanted you to know that, like 0:27:38.516 --> 0:27:41.036 at least half the station is scared to death of you. 0:27:43.076 --> 0:27:47.236 I'm like, that means half the station's not doing their job, Okay, 0:27:47.556 --> 0:27:50.316 So you let them know. If I catch them, I 0:27:50.356 --> 0:27:53.556 will put them on blast. Okay, whether it's an article 0:27:54.316 --> 0:27:56.476 or whatever it is, I'm going to make sure all 0:27:56.516 --> 0:28:00.476 the right people know. So they should be scared of 0:28:00.516 --> 0:28:04.636 a watchdog. They should be. She says she's looking out 0:28:04.676 --> 0:28:07.036 for sheriff in a way of his best interests and 0:28:07.196 --> 0:28:10.876 going to war with his enemies. He's not a fan 0:28:10.996 --> 0:28:13.596 of these people who are making the department look bad. 0:28:14.236 --> 0:28:18.556 Who is she talking about? I'm going to say Royal 0:28:18.596 --> 0:28:23.556 and right or not in his on his good boy list. 0:28:23.716 --> 0:28:27.516 You know, I may not. I really don't. There are 0:28:27.556 --> 0:28:31.516 some ten thousand deputies in the LA Sheriff's Department. How 0:28:31.556 --> 0:28:35.836 would Alex Vieneueva even be aware of two former Malibu cops. 0:28:36.996 --> 0:28:41.276 Detective Manuel said there were some politics. Did Sergeant Wright 0:28:41.596 --> 0:28:45.676 and Lieutenant Royal somehow piss off the sheriff or did 0:28:45.676 --> 0:28:49.916 they piss off CC? Or These things now one and 0:28:49.956 --> 0:28:55.436 the same. But I'm no different than an activist who 0:28:55.796 --> 0:29:01.556 uses my platform to affect change. So that's what I do. 0:29:02.516 --> 0:29:06.556 And because Malibu is so well known, Alex knows that 0:29:07.516 --> 0:29:12.756 basically if we fart over here, it's gonna make global news. Okay, 0:29:14.076 --> 0:29:16.756 speaking of which, she's got a new article in the works. 0:29:17.276 --> 0:29:20.476 It's going to be a bombshell. Cecie checks the time 0:29:20.836 --> 0:29:24.996 she's got to go. I'm gonna go see Vivian Vienneueva. 0:29:25.516 --> 0:29:29.036 So there's like a dispatcher's lunch over at um Dukes. 0:29:29.036 --> 0:29:32.516 So I'm gonna go meet with those guys anyway, She's 0:29:32.516 --> 0:29:35.516 on her way to a lunch with Viennueva's wife, Vivian 0:29:37.156 --> 0:29:42.476 at Dukes, that surfer themed restaurant on pch So, first 0:29:42.516 --> 0:29:46.836 the sheriff and now his wife. I guess everyone loves 0:29:46.836 --> 0:30:06.156 the energy out in Malibu. Captain Bassarah isn't done with me. 0:30:07.996 --> 0:30:11.236 He keeps calling. He wants to know how I'm getting on. 0:30:12.316 --> 0:30:15.436 He's chipperer as usual, but they're starting to be a 0:30:15.516 --> 0:30:21.636 frantic edge to his patter. You really need to find 0:30:21.636 --> 0:30:25.196 out the truth, he says. He tells me that Sergeant 0:30:25.236 --> 0:30:32.196 Wright and Lieutenant Royal are causing him trouble. Actually, he says, 0:30:32.716 --> 0:30:35.276