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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Georgia Hartstar's

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Speaker 1: Karen Kilgara, and today we have two very impressive guests

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Speaker 1: on the show. He is an immigration and criminal defense

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Speaker 1: attorney who you might know from TikTok. She is a

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Speaker 1: senior leader in the nonprofit world and.

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Speaker 2: A self professed frustrated writer, fledgling wedding, efficient and curly

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Speaker 2: hair activists.

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Speaker 1: And they're here to talk about their brand new legal podcast,

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Speaker 1: which debuts in mere days here on Exactly Right Network.

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Speaker 3: Please welcome all the way from New York City. The

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Speaker 3: hosts a brief recess Michael Foot and Melissa Malbranch.

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Speaker 4: Comes off.

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Speaker 3: And here we go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi, thank you for having us.

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Speaker 3: We're so excited to be here. Really, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thrilled to have you, Thrilled to have you in a

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Speaker 2: time like this. I think we should go back to

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Speaker 2: the Ketamine conversation with her.

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Speaker 4: Ketamine Karen, she's in the studio, she's on it right now.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do the first live podcast.

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Speaker 4: She grew up with horses, so it is a very

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Speaker 4: apt conversation. It's a horse tranquilizer. Humans have you know,

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Speaker 4: appropriated Yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: They do for everything, right, that's true, horse.

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Speaker 4: Appropriate to the white man in the room to be like,

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Speaker 4: let's talk about appropriation. Let's talk about the horse culture

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Speaker 4: reappropriating it for my club, my circuit.

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Speaker 2: Party, for your club nights.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No. Ketamine therapy is what I've been doing, and

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Speaker 4: it's incredible. It's helped with like deep anxiety. I think,

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Speaker 4: like I used to get really bad panic attacks and

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Speaker 4: just sort of like shifted the way I sort of

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Speaker 4: like perceive myself when I'm like experiencing anxiety. Do you

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Speaker 4: get anxiety? You're always like the cool calm collective.

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Speaker 5: I will say that historically I have not had anxiety

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Speaker 5: but perimenopause.

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Speaker 3: That bitch. Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 5: And since I really and since then, my anxiety is

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Speaker 5: ridiculous and it's about anything.

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Speaker 3: It could be about anything about nothing, right.

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Speaker 5: And I was actually going through my text messages looking

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Speaker 5: for something, and I found a thread between my cousin

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Speaker 5: and I where I was saying to her that I

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Speaker 5: had just come back from my gynecologist who said to me,

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Speaker 5: I think you're in perimenopause in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: I am still there anything.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but I'm not on I'm on the pack,

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Speaker 5: but I'm not on kedemy, and I feel like the

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Speaker 5: anxiety is such that it can almost paralyze you.

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Speaker 4: I've been there, and I think for me.

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Speaker 5: What was so surprising is that I didn't know what

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Speaker 5: was happening to me, right, So I just thought I

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Speaker 5: was going crazy, right.

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Speaker 4: No, I remember when you and you and I were

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Speaker 4: connecting a couple of years ago, when this was starting

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Speaker 4: to happen, and you were like, I actually think I'm

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Speaker 3: Well, they didn't talk about it in twenty seventeen. It's

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Speaker 3: just now that we're finding out a huge explosion.

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Speaker 5: And I remember, you know, I went to my mom

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Speaker 5: and I was just like, did you have this?

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Speaker 3: No, yep, same my mom. My mom never turns out no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it just got hot every once in a while.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, it was I can't.

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Speaker 4: Tell you the e I'm sorry, can we get the

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Speaker 4: arab actually?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Actually hot?

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Speaker 5: But interestingly, I remember when my mom I didn't know

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Speaker 5: what it was at the time, yes, but I remember

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Speaker 5: there was this period of time where I felt like

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Speaker 5: my mother was going insane. Yes, And I remember saying

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Speaker 5: that to my dad, I think something's wrong with mom,

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Speaker 5: and he was like, like, what and I was.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, I'm a child.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't I was in my twenties, but like she

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Speaker 5: was acting so crazy, and she, in insight, I'm realizing,

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Speaker 5: was having panic attacks, was having anxiety.

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Speaker 3: It's when her clusterphobia really sort of exploded. Shehes, like,

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Speaker 3: you can't explain that to someone who won't get them

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Speaker 3: that it does feel like claustrophobia a little bit like

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Speaker 3: you're just you need to take off all of your

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Speaker 4: Yes, very angry. I'm not going through menopause, but I

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Speaker 4: have angrily wanted to rip my clothes off.

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Speaker 5: I can remember one day, like coming off of the subway,

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Speaker 5: going into the office and feeling like I was going

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Speaker 5: to die. I went into the ladies room. I took

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Speaker 5: off all my clothes and pressed my back against my

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Speaker 5: back up against the stainless steel door. Oh so good,

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Speaker 5: because the heat.

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Speaker 3: Is coming from inside the house.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's her.

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Speaker 1: Totally.

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Speaker 2: You just can't control it in any way. And it

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Speaker 2: is a surprise. The thing that's driving me crazy is

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Speaker 2: now on TikTok, the big thing where they're talking about, Oh,

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Speaker 2: in women's medicine, they've never done any research about the

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Speaker 2: way ABCD. So this idea that now in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five were suddenly talking about Gary menopause and menopause is

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Speaker 2: a disgrace. It's it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, historically they would just be like, oh, you're crazy, right,

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Speaker 4: Why don't you just not be crazy?

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Speaker 5: I had read this thing where they were talking about

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Speaker 5: fuck but like burning witches at the stake and the

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Speaker 5: women were usually like in their forties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, O my god.

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Speaker 5: I mean again, I don't I don't know, I mean

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Speaker 3: But if it's right, it kind of makes it. You're like, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's what it is. Yeah, yeah, I know. I think

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Speaker 3: about my mom too, and like she had to get

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Speaker 3: on you know, anti depressants and anxiety and it was

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Speaker 3: probably just hormones, but they didn't check that fact.

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Speaker 4: Well, let'sa call me one day and she was like,

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Speaker 4: I honestly am so filled with rage. I think I

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Speaker 4: don't know if this is attorney client confidentiality that I'm breaching.

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Speaker 3: Right now, but I wanted to.

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Speaker 4: She was like, I actually am concerned about what I

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Speaker 4: might do to someone. Yeah, I am so angry.

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Speaker 5: I mean I don't know if this is sort of related,

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Speaker 3: Do you remember this. A few months ago, I was

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Speaker 3: getting off the subway.

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Speaker 4: And we talked about podcast.

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Speaker 5: I accidentally stepped on the back of someone's foot and

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Speaker 5: I said, oh, excuse me. This man turned around and

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Speaker 5: he kicked me.

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Speaker 3: Wait, that's not even the worst part of it.

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Speaker 4: I was the first call. It was like, okay, assault

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Speaker 3: Yes, but like that was a part of it.

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Speaker 5: That's completely wrong, But that is not who I am.

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Speaker 3: I don't kill me. But I kicked this man back,

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Speaker 3: and this other man behind me came. He was like no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 5: I didn't kick him too very gently touched me in

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Speaker 5: the back and was like, don't do this, and he

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Speaker 5: kicked me.

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Speaker 3: What an angel that person?

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 5: I was so enraged and I feel like that has

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Speaker 5: never been me before. No, right, And I don't know

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Speaker 5: if Taraji Henson was on somebody's podcast and she said

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Speaker 5: that she really feels that we are born with a

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Speaker 5: certain amount of fucks to give, and by the time

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Speaker 5: I get yes, yes, and by the time you get

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Speaker 3: Out of fucks. Yeah, I'm three years old. I am

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Speaker 3: negative fucks.

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Speaker 2: To keep your feet to your.

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Speaker 5: Toe, bitch, and I'm willing to go down Like It's

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Speaker 1: Kind of what level of violence can you enact on

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Speaker 4: So short, you have a duty breach, causation and harm.

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Speaker 4: So you have a duty to behave a certain way

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Speaker 4: in society. Okay, if there is a breach, such as

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Speaker 4: someone kicks you, then that duty has been breached. It

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Speaker 4: has to be the causation. You have to cause someone's harm,

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Speaker 4: so the harm is usually damages. So in this situation

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Speaker 4: there were there the harm sounds mostly emotional, I think ascertain,

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Speaker 4: so I would say that it probably wouldn't pass the sniff.

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Speaker 4: Like a core a civil suit, usually it's there's some

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Speaker 4: sort of documented medical issue either way.

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Speaker 2: With her side or that man's.

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Speaker 4: It depends on the state. So this was in New York,

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Speaker 4: so it depends contributory negligence. So if you were someone

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Speaker 4: some case, so it sometimes comes out in the wash.

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Speaker 2: But so what her flat tire and then the kick wash.

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Speaker 4: The extra book.

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Speaker 5: I need to know is technically not right and damage

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Speaker 3: Just like I was.

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Speaker 4: That was you were at zero, that was a curable Yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Would say, is that to be fair? Neither one of

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Speaker 3: And I really didn't mean it, like so I didn't

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Speaker 2: It just came out.

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Speaker 5: He didn't hurt me, and I didn't hurt him. I

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Speaker 5: think I was just I was so offended. I was

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Speaker 4: Well, also to go from okay, a slight accident too okay,

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Speaker 4: intentional harm right, violence.

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Speaker 3: Violence New York City in the morning on a commute, it's.

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Speaker 5: Happened to all of yes, right, it's like it should

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Speaker 2: But in these trying time are you seeing this? Is

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Speaker 2: this a thing that's like an escalating thing where the

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Speaker 2: normal interaction would have been no problem from that guy,

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Speaker 2: but now everyone is under this insane.

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Speaker 3: I will say, do you think this? I feel like

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Speaker 3: we are still not okay from the pandemic, right, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Just going to bring miss pandemic kind of walked out

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Speaker 4: all probably go to therapy.

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Speaker 5: Really traumatized, right, I mean we were stuck inside the

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Speaker 5: it out relatively okay. But in the very beginning, it

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Speaker 5: felt like the zombie apocalypse was upon us.

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Speaker 4: It was very scary.

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Speaker 1: Pizza delivery was going to kill us, like that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: We all thought we were going to die.

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Speaker 2: We were wiping down cereal boxes.

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Speaker 3: Leaving the mail outside right like you know.

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Speaker 5: It was it was and you know, and it didn't

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Speaker 5: help that the commander in cheap at the time whatever

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Speaker 5: how you feel, in the very beginning, did not take

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Speaker 5: it seriously enough and was And there are a lot

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Speaker 5: saying it's like.

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Speaker 3: Getting a cold. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly.

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Speaker 4: So I remember when we were watching Italy, we were like,

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Speaker 3: The body is like stacked up in in Brazil, it

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Speaker 3: was awful.

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Speaker 4: In New York, there were choppers overhead twenty four, it

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Speaker 4: do to help those people who don't have those same privileges? Right? So,

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Speaker 4: how can I intervene in that adversarial situation where someone's

445
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Speaker 4: getting arrested?

446
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Speaker 2: Can we?

447
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Speaker 3: Like, how can that people like us?

448
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Speaker 4: Yeah? So thinking a lot about like depending on the situation,

449
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Speaker 4: Like I can advise people to break the law, because

450
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Speaker 4: I'll lose my life now, but I mean definitely attending protest,

451
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Speaker 4: definitely contacting. It depends on the situation too, right. I

452
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Speaker 4: Mean there's this incredible image on TikTok of like a

453
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Speaker 4: young girl in like a pilates oupha with an iced

454
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Speaker 4: coffee sitting down in front of a car that has

455
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Speaker 4: migrants in it. It's just sitting in front of a

456
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Speaker 4: car that's trying to drive away.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

458
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Speaker 4: People who've been to.

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Speaker 5: Tank, I think you you figure out what your comfort

460
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Speaker 5: level is, right, and then maybe and as time goes by,

461
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Speaker 5: maybe you push it a little bit, right. So you know,

462
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Speaker 5: I think I said this on our show, right, I

463
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Speaker 5: was talking to somebody and I'm like, you know, if

464
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Speaker 5: somebody says something in front of you that is clearly

465
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Speaker 5: racist or is an aphobic, and and they think it's

466
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Speaker 5: a joke, my favorite thing to do is to make

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Speaker 5: that person feel uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: Right, Oh my.

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Speaker 4: God, this is the Melissa does this and she is

470
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Speaker 4: an absolute.

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Speaker 5: Con and I'm just like, oh, wait, I don't understand, Like,

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Speaker 5: turn it around to me.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why.

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Speaker 4: That's because you know, you know, they're you know.

475
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Speaker 6: They're black, they're gay, and you whisper it and cannot

476
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Speaker 6: whisper it and be like what sorry, I couldn't hear you.

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Speaker 5: I don't I don't understand. Wait, So it's funny because

478
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Speaker 5: of that. And then eventually, yeah, the person is just

479
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Speaker 5: like frozen and they're just like oh no, I mean

480
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Speaker 5: so someone was.

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Speaker 4: Like, well, because there, you know, touching the skin.

482
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Speaker 3: Yes, And.

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Speaker 5: Then and then like blank blank blank blank, like when

484
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Speaker 5: you're frankly, the audacity right of somebody to come up

485
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Speaker 5: to me, a black woman and be like because and

486
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Speaker 5: this person was not a black person or a person

487
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Speaker 5: of color, and they were.

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Speaker 3: Just like because you know what, like, and I was like,

489
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Speaker 3: what are you saying now?

490
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Speaker 5: I didn't feel like, again, I'm not somebody who kicks people, right,

491
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Speaker 5: so I did not.

492
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Speaker 4: Story about going to have to.

493
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Speaker 5: But but if you are not somebody who is sort

494
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Speaker 5: of naturally aggressive, right, or you're not somebody who likes

495
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Speaker 5: to sort of cause a scene, you do it in

496
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Speaker 5: the space where you are, right. So I made this

497
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Speaker 5: person explain to me what it was they were trying

498
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Speaker 5: to do. And then there is something and maybe this

499
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Speaker 5: is me just being petty patty, but there's something that

500
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Speaker 5: I find invigorating about watching the person deflate.

501
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Speaker 3: In that way. You are not allowed to do that

502
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Speaker 3: in front of me.

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Speaker 4: You know.

504
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Speaker 5: There was somebody that I knew who they had asked

505
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Speaker 5: a question about whether or not the person was Indian,

506
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Speaker 5: and this person said, this person said, dot not feather,

507
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Speaker 5: excuse me.

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Speaker 4: We took great umbrage.

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Speaker 5: And so again is it the nineties, Explain to me

510
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Speaker 5: what it is that you're trying to stay here.

511
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Speaker 4: And a lot of people said in that discomfort.

512
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Speaker 5: Them uncomfortable until they are squirming, and hopefully without being preachy, right,

513
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Speaker 5: if that's not who you are, hopefully you've turned that

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Speaker 5: into some kind of a teachable moment.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: So, like the same person, this person was deeply problematic.

517
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Speaker 5: But you know, we were talking about getting Mexican for

518
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Speaker 5: lunch and they said, oh, you're going to home depot.

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Speaker 4: What fire? Which is.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of us have sometimes people like

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Speaker 5: that in our lives, who think that they could say

522
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Speaker 5: things like that and that they can get away with it.

523
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Speaker 5: If you are not somebody who was confrontational, there is

524
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Speaker 5: a way to turn that into a teachable moment, right.

525
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Speaker 1: That's kind of your podcast is going to be doing.

526
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see christ interview people who don't

527
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Speaker 1: agree with you.

528
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Speaker 5: Very few people agree with that, and I am I'm

529
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Speaker 5: actually I'm actually really interested because of the rage the

530
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Speaker 5: rage problem that I have.

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Speaker 3: Am I going to be able to like perfect timing

532
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Speaker 3: for a time? Am I going to do?

533
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Speaker 5: What was the name of that woman from the Housewives

534
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Speaker 5: who threw up the table? Is that Liam Teresa on

535
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Speaker 5: the table?

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Speaker 4: We recorded the iHeart Studios in New York, which they

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Speaker 4: have they our producer c Jada Bolt on the table

538
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Speaker 4: just for just reliability. But I wasn't gonna I was

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Speaker 4: going to give you an note.

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Speaker 2: How has that then? Because like you guys, just going

541
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Speaker 2: in and doing your weekly video podcast is that like

542
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Speaker 2: adjustment for you guys, anyway, it.

543
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Speaker 5: Is, and I can It's really what's really interesting is

544
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Speaker 5: that I can see it.

545
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Speaker 2: Right.

546
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Speaker 5: So when I our first one, I think, when I'm

547
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Speaker 5: watching myself listening to myself, I feel like I came

548
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 5: across kind of wooden, do you.

549
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Speaker 3: Know what I mean. I was nervous. I was nervous.

550
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Speaker 3: I was anxious.

551
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Speaker 5: And I'm used to the conversations that I had with

552
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Speaker 5: Michael being between Michael and I, not with cameras, not

553
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Speaker 5: with people looking at us. But I've been able to

554
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Speaker 5: see we've been doing We've done quite a few of them,

555
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Speaker 5: and I have gotten more comfortable, you know, even though

556
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Speaker 5: it doesn't really feel exactly like the conversations that Michael

557
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Speaker 5: and I have when we were.

558
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Speaker 3: Alone, but it does.

559
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Speaker 5: I feel very safe with Michael, and I feel like

560
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Speaker 5: that's coming across right, Yes.

561
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Speaker 4: Like difficult conversations. I mean, we're talking about abortion rates,

562
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Speaker 4: We're talking about access to contraceptives. We have an opportunity.

563
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Speaker 4: People have the opportunity to leave us a voice smail.

564
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Speaker 4: We play it on the show. I ask questions, Yeah,

565
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Speaker 4: people ask us all sorts of crazy stuff. I mean,

566
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Speaker 4: we call it tales from the dms where we go

567
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 4: into like the crazy things people DM me, which is

568
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Speaker 4: like sometimes.

569
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Speaker 3: Why absolutely insane, but I love it.

570
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Speaker 4: Admitting to a crime.

571
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Speaker 2: That TikTok Michael made a TikTok recently, just showing there

572
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: was a couple of them, right, people saying like my

573
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: client was like, I totally did it.

574
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Speaker 1: Writing in writing, Yeah, a DM ever been used as

575
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Speaker 1: evidence in a court case?

576
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah. So under the Fourth Amendment, anything

577
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Speaker 4: you text or your phone records, you are technically sharing

578
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Speaker 4: them with a third party and you don't have a

579
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Speaker 4: right to privacy. So if you are texting someone technically

580
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Speaker 4: or texting at and T who then sends it to

581
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Speaker 4: your friend, so you've already breached that expectation of confidentiality

582
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Speaker 4: and the text message, and therefore it's not protecting under

583
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Speaker 4: the Fourth Amendment.

584
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Speaker 1: I remember being way really young and hearing that those

585
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Speaker 1: remember the used to supermarket cards, that they were like

586
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Speaker 1: membership cards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah card, Yes, that they can subpoena that. Yeah, below

588
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Speaker 3: my fucking mind.

589
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 4: Yes, a guy found out that his wife was cheating

590
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Speaker 4: on him from the easy Pass. Yeah, I got the

591
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: easy Pass wreck going back and forth.

592
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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, yeah, that'll do it?

593
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 4: Yea. I represented her in the divorce and how's she doing.

594
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Speaker 2: She's great, flourishing.

595
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Speaker 4: She got enough money to use that easy pass and

596
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Speaker 4: hire me girl. You got this.

597
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a public world, like it's that I

598
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Speaker 2: think that kind of information, especially for say a gen

599
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Speaker 2: X or something where it's like that was not the

600
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Speaker 2: truth for my whole life until twenty six seven whatever,

601
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Speaker 2: and now suddenly it's like, oh, you're on the on

602
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Speaker 2: camera at the.

603
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Speaker 4: Store here, and I'm going through I'm going down Montana

604
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Speaker 4: Avenue and someone is filming me in the way because

605
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Speaker 4: they're like, look at this self driving car go by,

606
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, I've been documented at this place here. Yeah,

607
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Speaker 4: at this moment, I.

608
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Speaker 5: Mean, aren't you As a fellow gen xer, I am

609
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Speaker 5: so glad that my life was not recorded.

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Speaker 2: Right every morning I wake up the Lord, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Get it on camera right now? What was it? Do

612
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Speaker 4: it straight to camera.

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Speaker 2: I used to do a lot of fake talk shows

614
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Speaker 2: where I was being interviewed by David Letterman, but it

615
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: was just an empty chair.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. I used to drive around talking back

617
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Speaker 4: to Terry Gross and I'd be like, oh, what was

618
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Speaker 4: the question? I go and I'd answer.

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Speaker 7: That, Terry, I'd be chatting with her this is Jeopardy,

620
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Speaker 7: and you'd be like really trying to construct the perfect

621
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Speaker 7: answer where you're like, Dave, the thing about me is

622
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Speaker 7: that just I feel like I'm a natural I used

623
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Speaker 7: to do.

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Speaker 4: That, and I would do like my haunting n PR voice.

625
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: You know't have run an pr well, Terry. The thing

626
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Speaker 4: about existing as a queer man in America, he's so calm.

627
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: We look at ourselves the way that we see the

628
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Speaker 4: world reflection in a mirror back of what's happening in

629
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Speaker 4: the world around that is actually perfect if you're watching

630
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Speaker 4: book me, I feel like.

631
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Speaker 2: My voice has never gone to that decibel in natural

632
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Speaker 2: in the natural world, Natural world, such a bad person.

633
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Speaker 3: That's a beta blocker voice.

634
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Speaker 4: Talking about Oh I love a good Beata.

635
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Speaker 3: That has got me through this tour is take a

636
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Speaker 3: beta blocker.

637
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Speaker 4: I'm waiting for the hotels to like leave it on

638
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Speaker 4: the pillow for me, like I am waiting by the

639
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Speaker 4: wayside now that everyone's like paleo and not eating sugar,

640
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Speaker 4: I want a little patan al on my pillow before

641
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Speaker 4: because it's just like commune a little bit and it's

642
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Speaker 4: nice it's not like a Xanax where you're like.

643
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Speaker 3: It's not Nope, you can take it in the middle

644
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Speaker 3: of the.

645
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Speaker 4: Day, operate heavy machinery.

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Speaker 2: Recommend you don't please don't.

647
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Speaker 3: I feel like I need to investigate that you do.

648
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Speaker 1: I said your racing thoughts in a way that's does

649
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: that like Xanax does too. But you're fucked up, you know,

650
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: and likens.

651
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Speaker 4: Down the like music playing in the background in your.

652
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Speaker 1: Brain exactly, which is just Sabrina Carpenter on a list

653
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Speaker 1: tour right, like crazy.

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Speaker 4: We actually I actually, oh my god, you're the composer

655
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Speaker 4: from exactly right. I don't know if he has a

656
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: head out on me because I had him change the

657
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: music too, and I had him based off Sabrina Carpenter.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we're allowed to say this on

659
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Speaker 4: the show, but I sent him house tour and I

660
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: was like, can you take the underlying like nineties theme

661
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: from this? Melissa and I have a lot of nineties references. Yeah, uh,

662
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Speaker 4: you know Dunker even though she.

663
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Speaker 5: Was a child, even though yes, and I was out

664
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Speaker 5: here making terrible decisions.

665
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Speaker 4: Just you my name's name?

666
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Speaker 2: How did you guys me? Speaking of that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Melissa and I have gotten to know each other

668
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: through we work together. We've known each other just for

669
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 4: about a decade now, right, and we have one absolutely chaotic,

670
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: villainous best friend who is sort of the glue between us.

671
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: She's my favorite, Alissa, and she is our best friend.

672
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 5: Alyssa is the kind of person yeah, yeah, yeah, Lisa,

673
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 5: Alissa is you know, the kind of friend that you

674
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 5: have that is down for whatever. Alyssa, We're going to

675
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 5: Croatia tomorrow.

676
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: She's she's at the airport.

677
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.

678
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: She upgraded your seats and.

679
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: She has the miles like she is never home. And

680
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: we tracked your location because we kept do we have

681
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: shared custody of this thirty seven year old woman?

682
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: I know because I worry about you too.

683
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 4: Are we at a casino in the morning. I'm on

684
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: the away because my dog is pissing everywhere. I'm cleaning

685
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 4: it up and I'm checking your location. You do?

686
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: And she's like, oh, I just gota.

687
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: Do you remember when her she left her phone and

688
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: Angel found it had a Yankees game and a guy

689
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: named Angel and the Bronx found it. He did, and

690
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: she was like, I'm going to go meet this guy.

691
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: Angel's got my phone, and I was like, you are

692
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 4: going with me?

693
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: You can't do that.

694
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: Angel I was like, you're paying for the uber. I'm

695
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: coming with her on your security, and we went and

696
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: got her phone.

697
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: Is a good friend, it was.

698
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: It was more the paperwork alone. If something happened to her,

699
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm not doing that paperwork. I'm not talking to her

700
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: parents about this. It is untenable. It's not going to happen.

701
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Could Alyssa ever make an appearance on the podcast D Yeah,

702
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: Chaotic Corner, which.

703
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: The problem issue to be there on time never mind? Yes,

704
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 4: but I do think at some point she's going to

705
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: get so mad. She does have major fomo she does.

706
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 4: She's going to kick down that fucking studio door happen

707
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: in a chunky boot.

708
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: What can she bring to the table? What can she

709
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: help with? Do we think? What does she what's her strength?

710
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: Alyssa just brings herself like the Alyssa energy, Like everybody

711
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 5: needs a.

712
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: Friend like that, Sally.

713
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: I went to a drag show with Alyssa last weekend

714
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 4: and Clint and she whatlet.

715
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: The record reflect, they never asked me to go to

716
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: any kind of things.

717
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: Well, okay, it was we went at midnight okay, and

718
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: I had a couple of drinks on me and this

719
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: is always out. So I text her. I was like,

720
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: meet me at the show. I'm in the bar and

721
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 4: i can see her through the window fifty feet away

722
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: and I'm there for like ten minutes watching her on

723
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: her phone, and I'm like, what are you doing? So

724
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: I called her because I'm like, I know you're on

725
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 4: your phone and I'm in here throwing dollar bills out

726
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 4: of drag queen yep, And she's like, sorry, booking a flight.

727
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: She was booking a flight at midnight jeroone on the street.

728
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: It's all the time.

729
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: Where's she go?

730
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: I don't think she and it was like, that is

731
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: a computer activity. That's not a phone at we don't

732
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: book phone that's a desktop situation. We're not doing this

733
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 4: on our phone.

734
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: She does.

735
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: I'm too scared.

736
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: I do it all the time, as it's not flights obviously,

737
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: but like, can you use your phone for.

738
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: Things like that in public?

739
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: Should you? I don't know?

740
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.

741
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you're putting because you're putting your credit card information.

742
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: But how my credit cards have been stolen all the time. Yes,

743
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 4: I think they think I'm running game, because it's like

744
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 4: it's always like eighty like eight hundred dollars of vapes

745
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 4: and queens on my credit card. They go to the

746
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 4: vape store like down the road.

747
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: Stock up while we have this credit card available.

748
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 4: And I'm on the phone with the person from AMEX,

749
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I swear I listen to this voice.

750
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 4: It's not a voice, hard smoker. Okay, this is American spirits.

751
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: To do American spirits.

752
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: All these Yeah, thank you.

753
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: Well, maybe she'd be great at you guys could do

754
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: like pick a side.

755
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: Oh yes, we could do a great debate.

756
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 3: She'd be great about that. She would be actually really good.

757
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: If you don't know, this is a little game where

758
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: essentially we just make you pick aside in a very

759
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: benign Yeah.

760
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: People write in just their basic problems. We're not going

761
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: to solve that anyone's big problems.

762
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: Don't listen to us.

763
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: That's not our I a litigator to come out and

764
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 4: fucking fight about something. Settle on a hell yeah right, okay,

765
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 4: I'm so ready.

766
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Do you want me to go first?

767
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 3: You have good one.

768
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

769
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: Let's see.

770
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: The subject line of the email was seventeen years of

771
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: contention Hi, friends, boy, do I have the lowest stakes,

772
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: longest running pick aside for you. My husband and I've

773
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: been married for seventeen years, and at least twice a

774
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: month for that entire time, we have argued over which

775
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: is better, the basic Kraft mac and cheese with the

776
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: powder or the velvet to shells and cheese with the

777
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: sauce pack. I'm not going to tell you who prefers

778
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: witch so as not to bias your opinion. This is

779
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: such a low stakes issue. This is we will both

780
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: eat either, our kids will eat either. It's just an

781
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: argument over preference. But I want the upper hand, so

782
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm hoping you ladies agree with me. Thanks for everything

783
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: you do, Brooke.

784
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 4: Okay, do you want to rock paper scissors for a side?

785
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 5: Now?

786
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 3: You go ahead first?

787
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, should I do like an opening statement and

788
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: thank you ladies and gentlemen of the jury. I will

789
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 4: be representing the Velveta Cheese here in court today and

790
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 4: you're going to hear a lot from the defense about

791
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 4: what is and is not cheese and what constitutes cheese.

792
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 4: We have experts here in the courtroom. We're going to

793
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 4: talk about the process that powders go through and how

794
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: they are still cheese even though they're reconstituted. However, let's

795
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: say an animal gets run over in front of your house, right,

796
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: very sad, very tragic, and no one comes and cleans

797
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 4: it up, and it's a particularly dry season and it

798
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 4: dries out right, and then it rains and it reconstitutes.

799
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: Is that still an animal? I don't think so. And

800
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: you're going to hear a lot from the defense about

801
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 4: what is and is not reconstituted cheese here today. And

802
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 4: what I'm here to tell you is at it acent because

803
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: Belvida is in its purest form. We're not modifying, We're

804
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 4: not at You don't have to add and take away

805
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 4: in order to give something its original shape, texture, and taste.

806
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 4: So in conclusion, Velvita is and always will be the

807
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 4: best mac and.

808
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 5: Cheese, the best box mac and cheese. Yes, yeah, okay,

809
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 5: so I'm not going to do it.

810
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: Michael just did.

811
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 5: I couldn't do that anyway, It's you said.

812
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: That all the time. Yeah, whatever, Michael just did.

813
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: I hate them both, but I suppose that's the problem,

814
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 5: is that I don't like fake cheese, and they both

815
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 5: they both feel like fake cheese to me. However, there

816
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: is a certain level of creaminess to the velveta shells

817
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 5: mac and cheese. What I wish though, what I wish, deeply,

818
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 5: deeply wish. I don't like my mac and cheese with shells.

819
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 5: I like my mac and cheese with like the elbow type. Right,

820
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 5: So if we could do macaroni with macaroni, if we

821
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 5: could do the creamy mac and cheese with the right.

822
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: Pasta, has anyone done that? I don't know.

823
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: You know, there's somebody out there that buys both and combined.

824
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 3: Sure, that's what I would go for that.

825
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: I like the shell because it gets kind of stuck

826
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 4: in there. You don't like that?

827
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that answer is just so diplomatic.

828
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: It's just like it's very much yeah, Kerrie Russell.

829
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 5: But I feel like Melissa malbranche response, Yes.

830
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how you do. Like that's usually response always

831
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 4: like it's all disgusting. However, I will say that, you know,

832
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 4: I do make my own bestchamel for my macar I

833
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: do she does?

834
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: You know what, lady's your what's your recipe?

835
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 5: A combination has a good one. My grandmother had a

836
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 5: good one. I usually come combine all those things. It

837
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 5: can't just be the one kind of cheese. You need

838
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 5: several cheese.

839
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 4: To Each one has a different purpose.

840
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 5: And I like a baked mac and cheese as opposed

841
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 5: to a stove top mac and cheese.

842
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: They have different purposes. Yes, when is late night? Yes,

843
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: sound drunk? Yeah, you need something to snake one your

844
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: kids shove it in their mouth. You're done.

845
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, We're always I'm Melissa is always making fun of

846
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 4: me because I go to Taco Bell when I am

847
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 4: just glazed over, and people will recognize me as like

848
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: the TikTok lawyer at four am Taco Bell, because it's

849
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 4: all like twenty two year olds from TikTok at the

850
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 4: Taco Bell therapart you except for me. I'm like the

851
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 4: long in the tooth, a little long in the truth

852
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: to be going out all night.

853
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: It's just tac.

854
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: You're not supposed to get crutch girl. And so when

855
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 4: I am there sometimes people will be like, Sod's giving

856
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 4: me trump, Oh my god, And I'm like, I've got

857
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 4: one eye on last weekend and one eye on next

858
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: week that is and gone. There is no way I

859
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 4: could be giving legal advice at this point. And Brad

860
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 4: stepped in the one time he was like, he cannot

861
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: be giving listen to anything. He said, he will right

862
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: because because he was at the club with me what

863
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 4: I was doing. He's like, you should not be talking

864
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 4: to anyone right now, not.

865
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: Even after forty eight hours, when I yes, yeah that's true. Okay,

866
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: one another one. Wait, wait, where do you guys come?

867
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: Oh?

868
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we don't matter.

869
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: You're trying to make you guys argue. Well, I have

870
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: very early daycare memories of Kraft mac and cheese that

871
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: when I smell it, I just go like that, like

872
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 2: that kind of like I realized I was being warehoused

873
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: at age four, and I was just like, what the

874
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: is it is?

875
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: Reaction? Yeah, I can smell at Chabani yogurt across the

876
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 4: something platform. I can triangulate someone's fucking location based off

877
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: that goddamnani smell. You know that smell? Yeah, it's like

878
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: powdering the airport at five hours. You didn't sleep, You're

879
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: waiting to bore your stomach for the South there already.

880
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're making me so sad.

881
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: Anyway, sorry, bring us back, Bring us back.

882
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: Well, I have a Midwestern husband who loves snacks and

883
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: like really bad food, so he buys the little cups,

884
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: individual cups.

885
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: Craft. Oh yeah, we do the powder. We mix it up.

886
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: It's like perfect. And then you add more cheese.

887
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: Oh from the real cheese. You got to get that.

888
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 4: I don't know what they're doing at the Telemook Factory.

889
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: Delicious and I was just happy people living in a

890
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: beautiful valley.

891
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: I met one of the employees and he was, yes,

892
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 4: he's like dating my cousin. They might be married. I

893
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: didn't if I didn't send a gift, I'm.

894
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 3: Sorry, no you're not.

895
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: This is a gift to get so and he was like,

896
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 4: I've worked there for years and it's like the most

897
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 4: wonderful employer. It was like it was actually I think

898
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 4: it might be a cult.

899
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: We stopped there on the way from like Portland to

900
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: the to the ocean, and it's this gorgeous look. It

901
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: looks like you you suddenly went into the picture on

902
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: the front of a package of cheese. Like the little Hills,

903
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: the like Green Hills go like this in the split

904
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 2: idyllic farmhouse, perfectly stage.

905
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 4: They have a.

906
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: Dairy and a factory that you can tour, and then

907
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: at the end you can buy whatever they make. And

908
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: there's this big ice cream shop. So everybody there at

909
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: the end of the tour is eating triple scoop the

910
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: ice creams and smiling and singing.

911
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: What's everyone's ice cream order? That's a that's a good Yeah,

912
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 4: peanut butter and chocolate. Peanut butter and chocolate.

913
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: Cookies and cream.

914
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 5: Brend and Jerries has everything but the Yeah.

915
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: The earliest who can't make up their mind right, like

916
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 4: a little bit of everything, chocolate chip because I very cleansing, yes,

917
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: very light, elevating. Yeah, it's like the elevated choice for

918
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 4: the modern woman.

919
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: Like the Orpper patty where it's like, this isn't a

920
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: chocolate bar. Those are my favorite.

921
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: That's my favorite because those are egg whites in there. Yeah,

922
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 4: it's not vegan, so so be warned. I came here today.

923
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: I was like, I was in I have a full

924
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 4: leather jacket having a big leather back, and I was like,

925
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: I hope, no, one not exactly right.

926
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: There's a couple of I'm sure there are.

927
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope they're not. And you know what, I

928
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 4: can handle it. I'm okay. You know I've been through worse.

929
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: Sure you passed the bar.

930
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: You're still part of this family.

931
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: I mean, as long as it was it really just

932
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: a big fur a big bear, a.

933
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: Vintage for we talked a lot about vintage for.

934
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 5: Okah, Right, I think it is, I mean, And maybe

935
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 5: I'm just sort of like trying to I don't know

936
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 5: justify what I'm doing, but I feel like it's already right.

937
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 3: And I didn't do it, and.

938
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: It was a minute ago. It wasn't like last.

939
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 5: The first four coat that I got I inherited from

940
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 5: an aunt of mine, and I will say that I

941
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 5: remember when she got it, and for her, I feel

942
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 5: like it was a moment where she felt she had arrived,

943
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 5: like it was like a big deal. I feel like

944
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: in the eighties, right when I was growing up, a

945
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 5: woman with a fur coat was a woman who had arrived, right,

946
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: that is so, yes so, And she passed away and

947
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 5: she didn't have any children, and the rest of my

948
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 5: cousins all lived in sort of tropical places. So I

949
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 5: was like, so it's either I take it or it

950
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 5: ends up in.

951
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: A landfill somewhere, right.

952
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 5: And I also, because I love estate sales so much,

953
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 5: there was this woman who she wasn't publishing, she had died.

954
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: She had the best clothes in the world.

955
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 4: People publishing have fears the publishing.

956
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: And distract up and I bought her for a coat

957
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: and I love it so much.

958
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 4: But I get that people called me from the estates side,

959
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 4: and I'm the friend people call when they're like about

960
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 4: to maybe do something on ethical or like, I just

961
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 4: kind of want to like run the gut check past you,

962
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: because my ethics are a little gray. I would say,

963
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: you know, I do represent people accused of violent crimes.

964
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 4: Sometimes I do a lot of work with immigration defense,

965
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: but sometimes there are like a lot of crimes attached

966
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 4: to it. I was just telling the two of you

967
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 4: before we started rolling about my client who has was

968
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 4: maybe or maybe allegedly caught with a bunch of heroin

969
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: at the border. So we've a lot of things. I'm

970
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 4: sort of the ethical gray area friend, which is like

971
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 4: a really fun person. And Melissa did call me and

972
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 4: ask me. She didn't call me as if she I

973
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: did there was some sort of penous crime committed. I

974
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, do it. I died and my mom

975
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: donated her first to the animal shelter.

976
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: Sounds like a.

977
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 5: Threat, but you know what though, I had so a

978
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 5: while ago when I got this coat I posted it

979
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 5: and I was just like, what do you What do

980
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 5: people think.

981
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: I should do?

982
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 5: And a lot of people said that I should donate

983
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: it to an animal shelter.

984
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 4: For the puppies to like snuggle with when they're like

985
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 4: if they don't have their But I.

986
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: Was like, yeah, I don't know, Like it felt weird, right,

987
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 5: It's almost like giving chicken to a chicken.

988
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: There's there's a butcher shop in New York. I lived

989
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: there very quickly.

990
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: I'm so worried where the.

991
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Outside is a little pig chef you're talking about?

992
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I took pictures.

993
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: The first week. I was like, what the f It's

994
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: just like, come get our sausages.

995
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: It's like, oh no, did you know him.

996
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 3: A hot dog putting ketchup and mustard on himself?

997
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 7: What that is? Weiry?

998
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 4: Hard?

999
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: No?

1000
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: No, yes, yes that is yeh.

1001
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 4: We're excited. We're going to talk about fat discrimination on

1002
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 4: the next episode. I'm so excited because I was a

1003
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 4: former fact kid and I was treated viciously growing up.

1004
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: And you know, whatever your like body journey is, is

1005
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 4: your own journey.

1006
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 5: And I had weight loss surgery about eleven years ago now,

1007
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 5: and I will tell you It's been really interesting about

1008
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: that journey. Is the world is not kind of fat people,

1009
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 5: not at all. And I can't tell you I could

1010
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: feel the difference in the way that I was cheated,

1011
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 5: even by strangers, right, people look you, and the people would.

1012
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: Look me in the eye. Now people were on the

1013
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: street sort of kinder to me.

1014
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 5: The one thing I will say that I wish was

1015
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 5: that there is a body positivity movement right now that

1016
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 5: I wish that I would have been part of, because

1017
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: I think a part of what was wrong with me

1018
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 5: is that there was self loathing, yes, right, and really

1019
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 5: feeling like I sort of didn't deserve to be treated better, yes,

1020
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 5: which I feel bad for.

1021
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: The person who I was for that reason.

1022
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: Right, But it is amazing to see, especially young women

1023
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: these days, not having any of.

1024
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 5: It, and I love that for them so much. And

1025
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 5: I'm I'm sorry that I missed out on that moment

1026
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 5: because when I was like seventeen years old or twenty

1027
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 5: years old or thirty years old, I needed it then, yeah,

1028
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 5: you know.

1029
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: And it felt like it would never change. I mean,

1030
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: that was the kind of thing where it's like we

1031
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: lived in a very Vogue magazine world, very singular the monoculture.

1032
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: Cookies right, and dye culture was so fucked.

1033
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: Up, so huge that it's like we would never have

1034
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: that conversation about shells and cheese versus mac and cheese,

1035
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: because what a pig? What are you saying? Like exactly

1036
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: that whole culture. And I think that's the upside of

1037
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: social media, where it's like everyone got on there and

1038
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: then a bunch of people were like, Hey, how about

1039
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: you don't say that, but you know what I mean,

1040
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: how about you adjust that position and what you think totally.

1041
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 4: And we're going to talk about like discrimination lawsuits around

1042
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 4: fat people and how they're treated and like things that

1043
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: have been litigated. So I think it'll be an interesting

1044
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 4: kind of like entry into that, but we always end

1045
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: up talking about like our personal experiences with these, so

1046
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 4: I don't.

1047
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: Know, it's amazing.

1048
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 3: It hits home.

1049
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, for a lot of people, like everyone, even if

1050
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: you didn't like live that experience, you know someone or

1051
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: you had a family member who was always treated differently,

1052
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: or you always heard like someone's side from Mark after Yeah.

1053
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I love about this is like the legal

1054
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: side of things. I feel like I'm not part of

1055
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: that and I'm not there, like I can't be part

1056
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: of that conversation because I don't know legal terms at all,

1057
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: but but I love that you guys make.

1058
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: It PU now yeah, yeah, you know you may. I mean,

1059
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: this conversation is very similar to the podcast and that

1060
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: it's got your central thing you go there, but you also,

1061
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: like friends just kind of talk through things, discover things.

1062
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were talking about like looted art and like

1063
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 4: stolen art and then the Louver robbery.

1064
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: Were like somebody got arrested.

1065
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got So we're I mean, we're recording every week.

1066
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 4: It'll be a very topical episode. I think we record

1067
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 4: a couple it comes out a couple of days after,

1068
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: so we will be covering headlines like what's really happening,

1069
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 4: and I'll dive into like the law behind it. But

1070
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 4: like I'm not a Supreme Court litigator, like I am.

1071
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: I am at the local courthouse with your drug dealer,

1072
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: with the person who was drinking and driving, like I

1073
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 4: am there with like the local public defenders and the

1074
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: local prosecutors. This is not going to be like an

1075
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: esoteric legal podcast where we're pontificating on like the latest

1076
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 4: Supreme No.

1077
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 5: But I mean, I think the point is to sort

1078
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 5: of like give some information and also make people laugh

1079
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 5: and made people sort of recon like, oh, you know what,

1080
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 5: I'm going to think about that, and maybe I've heard

1081
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 5: this thing from Melissa and Michael's podcast, and I'm going

1082
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 5: to look and do a deeper dive.

1083
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: Right, I contextualize it too, right, like what do you

1084
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 4: do if you get pulled over? Okay, we're going to

1085
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: do this like twice, once for white people and once

1086
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: for black people. The things that happened to the two

1087
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: of us when we get pulled over are very different,

1088
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 4: very different. Yeah, And I've started giving legal advice in

1089
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 4: my practice to migrants based off of their appearance, based

1090
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 4: off how brown they may appear, which is it's always

1091
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 4: kind of been like that. I mean, criminal defense attorneys

1092
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: and immigration attorneys, we've always had to sort of think about, like, Okay,

1093
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 4: this client is from Sweden. It's going to be a

1094
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 4: little bit different. Maybe we do this thing a little

1095
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: bit differently, or do something over here. But now it

1096
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 4: is quite explicit. It was always like inferred, and I

1097
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 4: think especially defense attorneys were always acutely aware of like

1098
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 4: racial injustice and the justice system. But now it is

1099
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 4: so explicit. The quiet parts being said out loud, full chest.

1100
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 4: So it's been a really interesting time to start up

1101
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 4: because the first episode I was like, what the fuck

1102
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 4: are we going to cover? I mean, there's so many

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Speaker 4: We've got too many things.

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Speaker 3: There are so many things, so much but we.

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Speaker 4: Will be We'll be in the studio every week talking

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Speaker 4: about it. And I always say I'm flying around New

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Speaker 4: York City on my broomstick. I bike everywhere. I bike

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Speaker 4: up and down Second Avenue to the courthouse, and then

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00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 4: I come after after court wraps at like five o'clock.

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Speaker 4: I wear up on my bike with.

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Speaker 3: A helmets, wear a helmet safety first.

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Speaker 4: My dad taught me that I fly up to the

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Speaker 4: studio after uh trial wraps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do should we do one more pick aside?

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Speaker 4: And then we'll do a pick aside for them.

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Speaker 2: But it'll be all constitutional law and we.

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Speaker 3: Don't know.

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Speaker 1: We told you we're sweating. Okay, should be on? Yeah, okay,

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00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: this has solved my disagreement. Do you shower after?

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Speaker 3: How having a bath?

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Speaker 1: Hello MFM family, love you all. Recently, I had a

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00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: disagreement with my fiance. At the time, I was so

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00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: sure I was in the right that I pulled my

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00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: friends and family to find out it was more of

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00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: a divisive, divisive, divisive topic than I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know if it's divisive because I said one on

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00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: TikTok and everyone fucking came from it. They were like,

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Speaker 4: this discussive man doesn't know how to pronounce that they

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00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: came from the People just started calling my phone after that.

1130
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 4: It could be that or the swifties.

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00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: So easily triggered everyone's divisive about it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I still don't know data so much.

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Speaker 2: I know what.

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00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: Everyone off.

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Speaker 1: When you have a bath, do you shower afterwards? My

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00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: view is that you do all that relaxing, that showering

1138
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: afterwards would just undo the relaxing. The bath also cleans you.

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00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: That's how people have been cleaning themselves for centuries. My

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00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: fiance says that you need to wash off the SuDS if,

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00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: for example, it was a bubble bath. What other people

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00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: have said is that that you are lying in your

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00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: own dirt. That's what I think to what I have

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00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: realized that my information gathering is that most people who

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00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: are British where we live and where my family is

1146
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: agree with me. But my fiance, who is Polish and

1147
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: a lot of other my friends who are from other countries,

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00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: they have another opinion. I haven't asked any Americans yet. Yeah,

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00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: please help all the different Thank you, Laudian.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry we're not taking any advice from England, like hygiene.

1151
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to have any British. Sorry, all of us

1152
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 4: around the table have fierce teeth we're looking at. So

1153
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: we're not going to England for any how, we're gonna.

1154
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: I've been there, I've lived there. It is Why are

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00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 4: first swall in England? The two faucet's hot and cold

1156
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 4: about a mile apart, and sink why I'm getting I'm

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Speaker 4: changing time zones to get warm water. This is absurd that.

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Speaker 3: The war's over. Guys getting together around the.

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Speaker 4: World for three hundred years. That was absolutely force, Yes,

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00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 4: but like anyway, so that that was the first thing

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Speaker 4: I heard, and the second thing I heard was for

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Speaker 4: centuries people am a bathing like this. I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's been documented that they were bathing particularly well.

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Speaker 3: They used to.

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Speaker 5: Be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's so.

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Speaker 3: Lain and simple.

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Speaker 2: Let's do the most updated version instead of looking back

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Speaker 2: to our.

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Speaker 1: Ancestors what they have wanted to do, probably get the

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Speaker 1: I wish.

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Speaker 4: I could get the film off are all post baths

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Speaker 4: shower not?

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Speaker 1: You are not not so after a bath you just

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00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: get out later, lean to myself, but.

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Speaker 3: You've been No, no, I'm not dirty though.

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Speaker 1: Like I married my husband and he was like, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? I was like, why are you getting

1179
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: the shower? Like what a fucking wake a call after

1180
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Speaker 1: this relaxing thing. I mean, I'm not that dirty to

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Speaker 1: begin with.

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00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 4: Again, what you're taking a bath?

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00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: It's like I wanted to tell you, nos, always just

1184
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: had a little bath, right, just a little? Are you?

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Speaker 5: Are we thinking that the bath is for cleaning or

1186
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 5: relaxing both?

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00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 3: I think both, Okay.

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00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: I think that sometimes the bath bombs are like so

1189
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: strongly scented. I worked a lush in two thousand and

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00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 4: nine as a holiday higher before law school. I had

1191
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 4: to make money while I was setting for the l sets.

1192
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: I had four jobs. Was one wow, and my laundry

1193
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: smelled fucking wicked after the end of the day. You

1194
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 4: those bathrooms smelled crazy.

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Speaker 3: I was asking for U t I not to fucking

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Speaker 3: one for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but as someone with very thick hair, I can't

1198
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: wash my hair in a bathroom. No, no, no, So so you're.

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Speaker 1: Maybe like a face mask. Okay, some magnesium.

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00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: Magimum salim drives my skin out a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but then I have.

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00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: To take you so you're adding something else, Like yeah,

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00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: I definitely feel like the bath. The bath for me

1204
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 3: is relaxing, not cleansing.

1205
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 4: But showers aren't. Don't wake me up showers, I'm like

1206
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 4: still going to sleep.

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00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 3: The shower and the bathtub have to be separate.

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00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 4: I will, oh, you won't do a shower, Okay, Mims

1209
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 4: div has never lived in New York.

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00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 3: Always, Yeah, I've lived.

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00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've lived in apartments and I haven't taken it.

1212
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Didn't take baths for my years.

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Speaker 4: They fell in the tup. This is like, oh my gosh,

1214
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 4: I'm crazy. And I think I called you because why

1215
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 4: would I call my husband? And I called Melissa And

1216
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 4: this is these are the friends we are. When your

1217
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 4: cat died, you called me and not her husband Andre

1218
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 4: like this is how this is how emotionally dependently? Yeah,

1219
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 4: really were They were like can you come help deadlift

1220
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 4: this ninety year old man out of the tub. My

1221
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: neighbor came and got me and I'm like, you know,

1222
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 4: I'm there. I'm like I'm ready, and I go down

1223
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: hard cut to me trying to live this man out

1224
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 4: of the dub it was and I was like, was

1225
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 4: he alive? I was like, he needs medical assistances.

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Speaker 2: I have to call it.

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Speaker 4: They didn't want him to go to a hospital. They

1228
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: were like he might get an infection. Oh my god.

1229
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 4: And I was like, this is this is beyond my

1230
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 4: capabilities at this point. This is as a neighbor, this

1231
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 4: is like yes, right yeah. And I went back forty

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00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 4: minutes ago by the police came. I'm talking to the police,

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00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 4: were doing a translator situation. I go back upstairs. My

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00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 4: husband's still watching TV. He's like, where were you? I

1235
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 4: was like, sorry, what were where were you?

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00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 7: Help?

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: You enjoyed Dancing with the Star watching TV.

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00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 4: Slide on Dancing with the Stars. What the what if

1239
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: my drag downstairs covered in blood?

1240
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: Wait?

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00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: But also like if you helped him and he got

1242
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 3: hurt from it, he could sue you.

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00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: Oh right sure yeah, And that was my thought as

1244
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: a naked octogenarian was laying over my shoulder bleeding on me.

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00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: I was like, this is a head trauma situation. This

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00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 4: is really something that we need medical assistance.

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to know when it's beyond your powers.

1248
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 4: Anyway, we moved and I don't talk to my neighbors anything.

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00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 4: I don't talk to and I've lived there for years

1250
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: in my new apartment, and people come, they see me

1251
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 4: come off the elevator, and.

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00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: It's they want to talk to you so bad because

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00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: they're like, I saw you on TikTok, my TikTok neighbor.

1254
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 4: I don't want to be that guy who has to

1255
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 4: come pick your grandpa up out it. I can't do it. Yeah,

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00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 4: that's too much.

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: I feel like this could go on for I don't

1258
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: want to stop it, but I think we have to.

1259
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: But we just need to tell you, guys, we are

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: so thrilled that you are on this network with us.

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00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: It's we're so thrilled to have your voices, to be

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00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 2: able to hear what you have to say, and to

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: help guide in whatever way you guys do, through friendship,

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00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: through law, through life experience, whatever it is. We're just thrilled.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having us. This is a wonderful opportunity.

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00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 5: We're super excited. I can't wait to see what happens next.

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00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 4: Yes, we're going to have a blast. That show premieres

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00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 4: on November thirteen.

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Speaker 3: That's right, we have all that info.

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00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 4: We're going to have so much fun. Get ready to laugh.

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01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 3: Questions people don't need to call in their questions, need

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Speaker 3: to GM.

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Speaker 4: Because people are calling me just because I got docked.

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01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 4: They're just calling myself. You really did I.

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: Thought you were joking about they doxed you.

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 4: But I get doxed all the time. Yeah, okay, okay.

1278
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: People, it's actually not fine, but okay, but it happens.

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01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 4: If I say don't do it, they'll just do it.

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01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: So it's like that. But please send in your questions

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01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 4: because we really are answering them.

1282
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are answering them.

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01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 5: And like I say to all the time to everybody,

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01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 5: while Michael is a lawyer, he is not your lawyer.

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01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 5: But we really want you to write in and also

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01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 5: keep your personal information personal because people are out here

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01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 5: giving us their numbers.

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Speaker 4: They're really They're like, OK, here's my credit card number,

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Speaker 4: please read it on the air. It's like people are sending.

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Speaker 5: My name is John Smith and I live at one, two,

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Speaker 5: three names anyone where I'm located.

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Speaker 4: But here's a chair. I'm going to drop a pin

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Speaker 4: so wild.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you also because we get a

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Speaker 1: lot of letters that the very bottom, they'll say keep

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01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: me anonymous. Put that at the top to keep me anonymous.

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Speaker 2: Do it yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, thank you guys so much for being here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: The newest podcast on Exactly Right Network, Brief Recess debuts

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, thanks, thanks, Yeah, Now we all do ketamine together.

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Speaker 1: Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

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Speaker 1: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: And now you can watch us on Exactly Right's YouTube page.

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Speaker 2: While you're there, please like and subscribe.

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Speaker 3: Goodbybye,