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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all.

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Speaker 2: So what's happening in women's basketball right now is what

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Speaker 2: we've been trying.

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Speaker 3: To get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes to break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 3: Caitlinquark broke the all time single game assists record. This

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Speaker 3: is crazy for rookies to be doing.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Naked Sports. I'm your host, Carrie Champion.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of Naked Sports.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's been a while since I've talked

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Speaker 3: to you all.

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Speaker 1: I've had guests on and I haven't talked to one

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Speaker 1: on one. But that's okay, Season five and full effect.

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Speaker 1: But I do have to apologize because your girl has

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Speaker 1: been super busy going back and forth between LA and

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Speaker 1: New York. And I think I'm finally getting my footing

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Speaker 1: and I can settle in and I'm about to tell

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Speaker 1: you all my business. Y'all don't need to know all

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Speaker 1: my business, but I'm telling you all my business. I

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Speaker 1: am almost set up to do the pod from the house.

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Speaker 1: That means I could roll out of bed, barely brush

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Speaker 1: my teeth and be here and talk to you guys.

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Speaker 1: That's the dream and the goal of what I would

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Speaker 1: like for the rest of my life. Just roll barely,

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Speaker 1: roll out of bed, take two steps, sit down and work.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's always going to be the case,

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Speaker 1: but that's what I would love to be the case when.

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Speaker 3: I was in La.

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Speaker 1: Interesting note, I know many of you know who Kaylen

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Speaker 1: Nicole is, right. Kaylen Nicole is an influencer. She works

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Speaker 1: in sports. She's a host. She has her own podcast

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Speaker 1: called The Pregame. But many of you may know her

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Speaker 1: because she dated Travis Kelce, who obviously is now with

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Speaker 1: or engaged to Taylor Swift. But I went on her pod,

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Speaker 1: and I was really excited to go on her pod

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Speaker 1: because she has she set it up. It's called Pregame,

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Speaker 1: and she sets it up in a structure. She has

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Speaker 1: her questions ready. She puts a lot of heart and

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Speaker 1: soul into this podcast that she does. It's not that

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Speaker 1: she just sits down and this is what I want

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Speaker 1: to say. I'm going to give her her flowers, because

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Speaker 1: if you don't know her and you judge a book

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Speaker 1: by its cover, all you know is is really beautiful girl,

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Speaker 1: because she's stunning. Who dated this athlete who is now

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Speaker 1: engaged to Taylor Swift, And if you watch her on

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Speaker 1: the internet, you don't know much about her.

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Speaker 3: She very much.

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Speaker 1: Known as this sexy woman and that was what she

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Speaker 1: had been really highlighted for. Recently. She was at the

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown concert and people were talking about that. That

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Speaker 1: went viral, and then she did Tony braxin You're Not

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Speaker 1: Man Enough for Me, a remake of the Tony braxyn

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Speaker 1: You're Not Man Enough for Me video, which was obviously

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Speaker 1: a dig at Travis Kelsey, who plays for the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs, And I remember thinking she did that for Halloween.

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Speaker 3: I remember thinking, oh, she won.

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Speaker 1: She won Halloween because she looked good and she essentially

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Speaker 3: He wasn't man enough for me.

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Speaker 1: And I thought that was really good because Taylor Swift, allegedly,

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Speaker 1: according to folks, you know, her album had a lot

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Speaker 1: to do with had a lot to do with Kayla.

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Speaker 1: She was like making digs at Kayla's So Kayla responded Anyway,

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Speaker 1: gossip Aside went on her podcast called Pregame Check it Out.

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Speaker 1: She really puts a lot of effort into telling stories

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Speaker 1: and learning who people are, and I was really really impressed.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to tell you guys about that.

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Speaker 1: And the moral of the story for me was like,

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Speaker 1: I know I find myself thinking I know people, but

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Speaker 1: it gave me another just way to see her outside

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Speaker 1: So my whole perspective, not that it was ever negative,

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Speaker 1: but it's just it's turned like I want to help

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Speaker 1: I fly back here to New York and I'm working

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Speaker 1: have a new pod with Jamel Hill as you all know,

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Speaker 1: Flagrant and Funny on the iHeart Women's Sports Network and

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Speaker 1: in between the pods. Right, I've become a podcaster in

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Speaker 1: so many ways. It's really interesting because I'm used to

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Speaker 1: being in front of the camera and when you pod,

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Speaker 1: you just you're just talking, You're just doing your thing.

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Speaker 1: You got to make sure you're just honest about conversation

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Speaker 1: and have interesting things to talk about. So today, as

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Speaker 1: I'm prepping for this pod, I and I'm gonna whisper,

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Speaker 1: comments whatever the case may be. I am living in

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Speaker 1: New York, as I just said, also in California. In California,

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Speaker 1: I'm learning quickly that space is rare here in New

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Speaker 1: walking down the street in your apartment building, and so

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Speaker 1: in my building and I've never experienced this. I've never

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Speaker 1: when I came home this past week, past couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: And then I came back from LA and there are

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Speaker 1: want to be very clear this is not a shared

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Speaker 1: We're not sharing a porch. Right now, I'm in my

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Speaker 1: And in my mind, I'm thinking, if you don't want

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Speaker 3: It outside of your home.

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Speaker 1: If there's too much going onide inside, why move it outside?

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Speaker 1: Why should I be subjected to what you don't want

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Speaker 3: But I'm like, no, I don't pay for that. You

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Speaker 1: So I wrote a note, and in the note I

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Speaker 1: bad about doing it because I know why people do that.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to go down to storage. It's an

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Speaker 1: guests who come over her house and the first thing

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Speaker 1: and I didn't want that to happen, so I politely.

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Speaker 3: Asked, was I wrong? I don't know why. I feel

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Speaker 3: bad for that. I feel bad. I feel bad.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad that I wrote a nice little note

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Speaker 1: that said, hey, could you move your stuff please?

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Speaker 3: Email goes Today. We talked about it on the other pod.

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Speaker 1: You told me don't feel bad about it, but I

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Speaker 1: And every time now I open up my door, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, hi, I don't like. Who knows?

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Speaker 1: The reality is? I'm not used to it. Some of

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Speaker 1: You're over exaggerating, but I'm like, it's not a shared porch,

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Speaker 1: it's not a community porch. And it's also it reeks

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Speaker 1: inconveniencing anybody else. It's there's an entitlement and I'm like, nah, nah,

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Speaker 1: I'll keep y'all posted on that. But I did it,

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Speaker 1: and I feel bad. Let me know if I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: as opposed to going to management. But whatever, it's a

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Speaker 1: personal thing. So it's interesting. I wrote the letter when

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Speaker 1: FC game, right. I don't know if you guys follow soccer,

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Speaker 1: to a soccer game here. Got Them congratulations. They won

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Speaker 1: last year in WSL. They won last year. They are

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Speaker 1: the Sports Illustrated Stadium, which is in Harrison, Jersey. Another

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Speaker 1: thing that I'm learning about New York as I navigate

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Speaker 1: my way through this city, like I'm going on three

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Speaker 1: so far but yet there is perfect public transportation. I

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Speaker 1: So I went to a one game last year and

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Speaker 1: I took public transportation because I thought it would be fun.

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Speaker 1: And then this time my friend drove and it took

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Speaker 1: no time. So we went there Saturday. The game was great.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people that I know and

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Speaker 1: Spike Lee was there. He really is representing every single

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Speaker 1: sports team here in New York City. And then after

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Speaker 1: I saw Spike Lee, I saw John Quell Jones, who

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Speaker 1: plays for the Liberty JJ as you know her. I

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Speaker 1: women worked really hard to get this deal and I'm

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Speaker 1: very very happy for them. And what the investment in

436
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Speaker 1: women's sports to me, speaks to a larger issue that

437
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Speaker 1: we need to start addressing in this country. Women are

438
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Speaker 1: always considered othered, second class citizens. You talk too much

439
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Speaker 1: or this or that. There's all this stuff that comes

440
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Speaker 1: with being a woman, and so you should be happy

441
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: to be their approach, not going to work, not going

442
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Speaker 1: to work with this generation of players, this generation of athletes,

443
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Speaker 1: these women. When I talk about going to the NWSL

444
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Speaker 1: games and not that many people come out to the games,

445
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 1: these women still have a sense of titlement because they're

446
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Speaker 1: watching what's happening in women. They're watching the landscape of

447
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: women's sports, whether it be professional volleyball, soccer, basketball, softball,

448
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Speaker 1: They're watching the landscape and it's changing in real time.

449
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Speaker 1: And it started with in my opinion, it started with

450
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees. I did an entire series

451
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Speaker 1: on that rivalry, one of my most I mean, I

452
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Speaker 1: wouldn't even say one of my most exciting works, but

453
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Speaker 1: it's definitely one of my most enjoyable moments to document

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Speaker 1: history in real time.

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Speaker 3: And it was on this pot that.

456
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Speaker 1: I did it, and we ended up winning awards for

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Speaker 1: it and getting nominated for awards for it. Everyone put

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Speaker 1: their blood, sweat and tears into it. But what that

459
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 1: particular rivalry or the making of that rivalry created was interest.

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Speaker 1: The storylines and the characters made people want to pay

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Speaker 1: attention to women's sports. And it started when they were

462
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Speaker 1: in college at the championship game LSU versus IOWA, And

463
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Speaker 1: it started in a way that made people on a

464
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Speaker 1: national stage see women be competitive, see women want to win,

465
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: see women talk trash. They finally saw women as athletes.

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Speaker 1: And while that caused a stir because it was a

467
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Speaker 1: black girl versus a white girl, it really set sports

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Speaker 1: into a different level in terms of viewership, in terms

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Speaker 1: of money, in terms of dollars, and people who wanted

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Speaker 1: to pay attention. And so when these ladies Angel Reese

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Speaker 1: and Caitlin Clark specifically, while they were making millions of

472
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Speaker 1: dollars in college on name, image and likeness deals, they

473
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Speaker 1: get to the WNBA and they're taking a pay.

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Speaker 3: Cut and they didn't understand. They're like, what is this.

475
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Speaker 3: This doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening right now. All of these players

477
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Speaker 1: coming from college going into the WNBA will say, nah,

478
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Speaker 1: I need my money. So that's why the CBA was

479
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Speaker 1: so important. It set the tone that, Okay, if you

480
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Speaker 1: do leave college and you go play in the pros,

481
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Speaker 1: you are going to be treated like a professional. You

482
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Speaker 1: will start getting better facilities. Sometimes a lot of the times,

483
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Speaker 1: a majority of the times, these players leave college and

484
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Speaker 1: they leave really good facility, they leave really good training centers,

485
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: they leave luxury to go play pro and it forces

486
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Speaker 1: them to step back a bit, which brings me to

487
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Speaker 1: my interview that I want to share with you all.

488
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Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to go back to my alma

489
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Speaker 1: mater and interview and I've interviewed her before.

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Speaker 3: My coach.

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Speaker 1: I didn't play ball at UCLA, but she's my coach,

492
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Speaker 1: coach Corey Close, who is the women's basketball coach there,

493
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Speaker 1: and she has done a phenomenal job with her players.

494
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Speaker 3: But she has also.

495
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Speaker 1: Lamented that college sports, the landscape of college sports is changing.

496
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Speaker 1: It's more like a business. All of these players have

497
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Speaker 1: agents now. All of these players want to negotiate an

498
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Speaker 1: nil deal before they decide to sign with a certain school.

499
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Speaker 1: All of these players expect to get paid, and they

500
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Speaker 1: are getting paid. They're like, I know, they think college

501
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: sports is amateur. It's no longer amateur. Once you take

502
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Speaker 1: money for your services, you are an employee. And a

503
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Speaker 1: lot of ways these college players are now employees, and

504
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Speaker 1: right now during this time, which is March Madness, this

505
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: is when they make their money. This is when they

506
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Speaker 1: pay up on the investment that has already been given

507
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Speaker 1: to them.

508
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Speaker 3: And my school has been doing so well.

509
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Speaker 1: Last year the women went to the Final Four, which

510
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Speaker 1: is huge, first time in program history. This year another

511
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: so many accolades coach closes Big Ten Coach of the Year,

512
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Speaker 1: which is a conference that they're in. Her players are

513
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Speaker 1: all American First Team, this, that and the third and

514
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Speaker 1: so as they head into this second round of March

515
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: Madness right which is and they're going to play tonight

516
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma at poly Pavilion, I thought it would be appropriate

517
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Speaker 1: to set the tone for what is happening in college

518
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Speaker 1: sports because most of these women will see themselves, at

519
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: least if they play at this level at a university

520
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: like UCLA, they see themselves going pro and the deal

521
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: that WNBA Collective Bargaining Agreement deal affects them. What those

522
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: women negotiated for is historic. Shout out Tenka Andngu Mackay,

523
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: who was really huge and she's the president of the

524
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: Players Association for the WNBA. What she did was really

525
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: huge and self sacrificing because she's not only negotiating for herself,

526
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: but she's negotiating for the future of the WNBA and

527
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: the players at present and the players who will come,

528
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: which is essentially what I have been trying to talk about.

529
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: They knew the money.

530
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Speaker 1: Would be there, they knew the investment would be there,

531
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Speaker 1: and they weren't really backing down. And so now as

532
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: we had UCLA heads into this second round of March Madness,

533
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Speaker 1: and I have a feeling they'll go all the way.

534
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Speaker 1: Some of the players that are on the team now

535
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Speaker 1: won't be there, they'll be professionals. And I had an

536
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Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to coach on My Flavored and Funny

537
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: podcast with Jamel Hill about what that all looked like

538
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: about the changing landscape of college sports. How she because

539
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: she's so motivational. Trust me, you'll hear this interview, and

540
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to play it for you all. You'll hear

541
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Speaker 1: this interview and you will want her to coach you.

542
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, You'll want her to lead

543
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 1: the way for you. She talked about John Wooden, who

544
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: was obviously a Hall of Fame coach, well respected, was

545
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: her mentor. She talked about what she tries to instill

546
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Speaker 1: in the ladies as they prepare for this next professional level.

547
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: She treats her.

548
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Speaker 1: Players as if they are already in the pros, and

549
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Speaker 1: I think that can't do anything but help them as

550
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: they move on in this game. So tonight, if you're interested,

551
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: tune into March Madness. Well, actually, when this podcast comes on,

552
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: the game has already been played.

553
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Speaker 3: But root for my ladies, root for.

554
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Speaker 1: UCLA, root for coach Close because she's really one of

555
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: the good ones. And but as you sit back and

556
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: listen to this interview that Jamelle and I did on

557
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: our Flagrant and Funny podcast, make sure you understand that

558
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: there is a new frontier in women's sports and it

559
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: is important and you need to be invested in it,

560
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: get behind it. If you have children, make sure that

561
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: they become a part of it, because it is special.

562
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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy this interview with UCLA's women's basketball

563
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: coach Corey Close.

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Speaker 3: You're want to start with the first actually for the

565
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Speaker 3: Big Ten Coach of the Year, would you like? Yeah, exactly?

566
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Speaker 4: So where'd you grow up? Detroit? Okay? Yeah, yeah, Michigan State,

567
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 4: not Michigan both, okay, yeah, And I went to Michigan

568
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 4: State because they had the better journalism program.

569
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Speaker 2: Okay, so I knew in high school I wanted to

570
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Speaker 2: be a sports journalist.

571
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Speaker 4: Okay.

572
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's not good for you that you

573
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: have done it. But it is the horrible little secret

574
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Speaker 2: that I carry is I grew up a Michigan fan

575
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: because everybody did. Because I'm seven thousand years old. FAB

576
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: five was a big deal.

577
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Speaker 3: When I was in high school. Coach he asked me

578
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Speaker 3: this question.

579
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Speaker 1: She said, what is it about USC Like she feels

580
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: like every time she's living here, and yes, everyone just love.

581
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Speaker 3: Loves us, And that really surprised me. I'm surprising because

582
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: how I grew up that was never the case. Like

583
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Speaker 3: it just depends what depends on the sport depends on.

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Speaker 2: Correct Like football, it's they are the football, and we

585
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: haven't been very basketball.

586
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Speaker 3: It's different.

587
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: It's a different deal. But yeah, it sort of goes

588
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: in these ebbs and flows, and so I think at

589
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: different times have been different things. But I don't know.

590
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Speaker 4: I mean, actually, it's a lot nicer down there than

591
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 4: it used to be. When I was here Scar it

592
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: was like no one went down there. I was like,

593
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Speaker 4: why would anyone.

594
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: Go down there? People realize.

595
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 4: Over homeless people, it's not in the best, but they

596
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: it has changed a lot and it's gotten a lot better.

597
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Speaker 2: So so since you were going to give me the

598
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Speaker 2: first question, Carrie, what I was going to ask? Coach

599
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: closes like did you really have to whip? Asked by

600
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Speaker 2: twenty three boys.

601
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Speaker 4: Yes, like really yes, yes, And I'm actually really good

602
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: friends with the Michigan State coach. I was actually had

603
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Speaker 4: her house the night before and uh, and so food

604
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: and then the next day, you know, he shared a

605
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: glass of wine and then we beat up and the

606
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: next day. I know what kind of friend of mine?

607
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was like, you're like me, she's my

608
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: shape dessert, Like they just I mean some of that game.

609
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Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, but my mental health,

610
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: let me turn this off.

611
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Speaker 4: And she's doing a great job there. And I think

612
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: they're gonna they're gonna be eventually they will get there.

613
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Speaker 4: She's still building it. But uh, it was a good

614
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Speaker 4: week for us.

615
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Speaker 3: I bet coach.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at you and how you I hand to yourself,

617
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: and how you how you treat these ladies and talk

618
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Speaker 1: to them and handle them and with such grace and care,

619
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Speaker 1: And I think that one of my biggest takeaways is that.

620
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Speaker 3: And I said this on the show.

621
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Speaker 2: I'm gonta say, you're gonna tell her who you compared

622
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Speaker 2: her to. I, yeah, well I think she.

623
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know I could. I don't know.

624
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Speaker 3: Coach wouldn't.

625
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Speaker 1: But I can only imagine how he handled and how

626
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: they revere him, and how when people talk about him,

627
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: how much care he had in his heart.

628
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Speaker 3: And you lead like that.

629
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Speaker 1: I explained how you you really are someone who says

630
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Speaker 1: we have to let the people who support the program

631
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Speaker 1: know that we appreciate them. I came home, you know,

632
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Speaker 1: I go back and forth from LA and New York.

633
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Speaker 1: I come home and I have a letter handwritten, and

634
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we're not doing that's we don't

635
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: do that no more. A handwritten letter from Kiki not

636
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're just like, hey, just so you know,

637
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: She's like, thanks so much for supporting the program. And

638
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: I know that's the the etho of what you have

639
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: literally instilled in them, what Coach wouldn't mean to you.

640
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: I get emotional almost every time, like someone at one

641
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 4: of his great granddaughter actually called me and left me

642
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: a message and said Papa would be proud of the

643
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: way this team plays, and his son Jim still really

644
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: involved with us, and I just lost it, you know,

645
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: I just you know, the biggest way I can honor

646
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: the time that he gave me. I mean, he mentored

647
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: me for fifteen years. I mean I spent when I

648
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: was at UCLA. I went there every other Tuesday, you know,

649
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: and just hung out with him. And it was hardly

650
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: ever about basketball, and it was just about life and

651
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: caring for people and what is it like to live

652
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 4: a principal centered life even when circumstances are hard, And

653
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 4: he just was magnificent at that. And so if I

654
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 4: could do a small fraction of the ways in which

655
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: he loved and impacted people, that's how I can pay

656
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 4: it forward to what he invested in me. But you know,

657
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 4: it's just you could do a whole show on how

658
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: he's impacted me. But I think that the reality of

659
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: what he did is that it the every all the

660
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: excellence you saw on the court was a byproduct of

661
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: what he was doing from the inside out. And it

662
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 4: was never about the wins and losses as much as

663
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: it was about building the character, loving people well, making

664
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: sure this was a forty year decision, and not a

665
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 4: four year decision for the young men. He got a

666
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: chance to invest in. And I you know some people.

667
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: Someone sent something to me today that said that the

668
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: narrative about me is that I don't have a killer

669
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 4: instinct and I'm not competitive, and I'm like, you know,

670
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: it's so funny when you really love people and you

671
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: want the best for them, it actually brings out a

672
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: level of competitiveness, like I don't want to let them down,

673
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: like I got to get I got to get my

674
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 4: stuff right, like it's got to be there because I

675
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: care about our mission and these people so much. And

676
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: so you know, that's how Coach wouldn't taught me, and

677
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 4: so that's what I'm gonna keep doing.

678
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: What's interesting is that we had this conversation with your players,

679
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: with Gabriella and Kiki about how there's this narrative around

680
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: this team that maybe they're not gritty enough, edgy and

681
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: tough enough. So, I mean, how would you respond to

682
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: those narratives and assumptions about your team.

683
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 4: The only way to truly create your own narrative that

684
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 4: might be different than that is go show them, let

685
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: your game talk, and you you would want people to

686
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: say you're edgier and more competitive than go be edgier

687
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: and more competitive. You're gonna get your chance. We're going

688
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: to get our opportunity to let our game speak.

689
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: Coach, you know, I really.

690
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I just think that talk is cheap,

691
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: you know anything leading up to that, say what you want.

692
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: I mean, we're either going to be that or we're not,

693
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 4: and it's going to either lead to where we want

694
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: to go or disappointment. And so I do believe that.

695
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: I think that is something we've been really preaching to

696
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: ourselves all year, is you've got to go take things.

697
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: No.

698
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: I don't care how pretty you play the game or

699
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: how nice you are off the floor. Two things can

700
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 4: be true at the same time. But nobody's given you

701
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: anything just because you're good on paper. You got to

702
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: go and compete every possession. You got to take things away.

703
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 4: You got to understand I blew the whistle several times

704
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: in practice today it's like you just showed up on

705
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 4: that possession. You didn't dominate that possession, you didn't take

706
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 4: anything away. And that has to be our mindset every

707
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 4: single time.

708
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 3: Damn can we do it? An?

709
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: I want that you two have always inspired me in

710
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: terms of your willingness to stand up for things, to

711
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 4: grow the game, to fight for women and specifically women

712
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 4: of color. Uh, what would you ask of me as

713
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 4: a leader in that space to be better at helping

714
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 4: partner to grow the game and be a champion for us.

715
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for three decades. Almost no coach

716
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: has ever.

717
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: The real the like for he had heard heart that's

718
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: that wouldn't that's hard.

719
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: But you know, that's a great question. That is such

720
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 3: a great question.

721
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: But you saying that reminded me of how I think

722
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: you stood up for this game in a major way

723
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: when you call the media out and keep doing that.

724
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: Because something CARRY and I talk about all the time,

725
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: and especially as the popularity of this game is exploding,

726
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: is that no, people don't mind, certainly casual fans and

727
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: new fans, but what is a particular irritation of mind

728
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: is that the people who have not been here, who

729
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: have no institutional knowledge of this game, of the personalities

730
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: the people, the players, the coaches in this game are

731
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: certainly setting narratives for this game and setting bad ones right.

732
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: And so you calling the media out, I thought that

733
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: was really sensational because even now I think, what, maybe

734
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: it's not even fifteen percent of all media coverage sports

735
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: media coverage is dedicated to a miss sports. So it's

736
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: just I think even now, their efforts, while increased, are

737
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: still pathetic.

738
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 4: Well think about it, if we were a men's program

739
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: in the last two years.

740
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: And the number one seed and winning back to back,

741
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: you know.

742
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: All of those, what would the media coverage be like

743
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: if if this was about USC men's or u c

744
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: l A men's basketball, and that's nothing against the men.

745
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: That is the That is the other incorrect narrative is

746
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: that we're fighting to move women's sports forward, we're fighting

747
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: to take coverage away from the men. What we're asking

748
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 4: for is that to acknowledge that women have grown the pie.

749
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: Then now the slices are bigger, there are more assets,

750
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 4: more opportunities, and so we're not trying to take anything

751
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: away from the men. We're trying to ask for the

752
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 4: proportional growth that women have earned.

753
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 3: Jersey, what you coach.

754
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.

755
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: Saying that you do something.

756
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: At least when I watch you and I know you said,

757
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: there's this narrative that you don't have killer instinct. You

758
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: do have killer instinct, and I know that in the

759
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: way in which you handle these like we were watching

760
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: your practice house like coaching playing today hopefully. But what

761
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: I what I when I realized, or at least what

762
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I think that I respect the most about you, is

763
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: that there are things you could say that you don't say.

764
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Do you know what it takes, and you pick and

765
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: choose your moment. So, for instance, I'm thinking back to

766
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: when we played LSU. You know what I'm talking about, right,

767
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: and somebody, a player disrespected you and you were livid,

768
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: and me and.

769
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: My emotion that I am not disappointed at all, I'm like,

770
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: let them have it.

771
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: Coach, you just and you handled yourself so well with

772
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 1: that one particular player, and you knew the narrative could

773
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: have been, oh, look at this coach talking to this

774
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: particular player a certain way, and you handled it so well,

775
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, well, this woman is nothing

776
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: but class. But you went on, you stayed focused, you regrouped,

777
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: and you're like, let's get back out there and play

778
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: this game. I can't give you. I can't give you

779
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: so many instances. I can give you so many instances

780
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: where I've seen other coaches and this is not for

781
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: you to say anything about her.

782
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: I'll say this about her like a Kim Mochi. I

783
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: can't respect that.

784
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: Like she can win all day, but I don't respect

785
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: this lack of respect that she has for the media

786
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: and other people's players and other people's members of their team.

787
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: And you do nothing but handle yourself that way. I

788
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: think it all has to do with knowing your why.

789
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: So if if my why is to love and impact.

790
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: People through this sport that I get a chance to coach,

791
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: then there really is no choice. You know, there's an opportunity.

792
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 4: I remember, you know this year we have you know,

793
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: six players who left and we had seven if you

794
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 4: count you know, losing Shannon, which she of course did

795
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: a great job on that. And there's no hard feelings there.

796
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 4: But my prayer literally every day was helped me to

797
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: show unconditional love. And you know, when things happen where

798
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: you where sort of you get dissed or something happens,

799
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 4: it's an opportunity. Actually, if you know your why to go,

800
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 4: you know what, if that's my true desire is to

801
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 4: show unconditional love, that it may not be received, you're

802
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: planning seeds for maybe someone else to water that maybe

803
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 4: is going to come out in ten years down the road.

804
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: I have to see that as an opportunity, not as

805
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 4: an obstacle. And and sometimes I don't want to, let's

806
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 4: be honest. Sometimes, you know, there was some really hurtful

807
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: things around some of those games that you're talking about

808
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, and you know, I really

809
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: just had to go back to I know who I am,

810
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: I know what my purpose is and what is for

811
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: me may not be for somebody else, but I have

812
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 4: to be principled, centered for what is for me, and

813
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: that's the only thing I can be responsible for.

814
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: So, as you approached this season with everything you accomplished

815
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: last year, it seemed to me watching your team from

816
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: Afire that you all were very business like this year.

817
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: So what was sort of what has been your theme

818
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: for this team? Knowing that it's championship or bust, that

819
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 2: seems to be the mentality and the expectation.

820
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: Well, this is gonna I hope you don't take this disrespectfully.

821
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: I'm trying to fight against championship or bust really is,

822
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: because I actually think that will lead us to not

823
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: playing our best when our best is needed. I think

824
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: when you have your eye on, Oh, I gotta win

825
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: a championship. Otherwise this is a failure. You know, I

826
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: will have fallen short if I don't get that ring.

827
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: Then I actually think that takes energy away from the

828
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 4: level that your process needs to be leading up to

829
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: that opportunity. And so I have actually tried to be like,

830
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: you can play in freedom. You actually Nick Saban talks

831
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 4: about this all the time that outcomes actually can be

832
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: a your biggest distraction. That I want them to be

833
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: totally present, focused on being the best version of themselves today.

834
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 4: Are they intentionally growing and are they intentionally investing in

835
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 4: each other? If they stack days that way over and

836
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: over again, they can go into that championship environment and

837
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 4: play in freedom. Trust their process, trust in their training,

838
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 4: trust in their preparation, and they I think have a

839
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: sense about them Like I use the example of them

840
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: all the time. What if Paige Beckers had not won

841
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: the national championship last year and she had done so

842
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 4: much for the game, an excellent player, would you say, oh,

843
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 4: she's a failure, She's a failure And they were like, no,

844
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: of course we wouldn't. She did X, Y and Z

845
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 4: like you are that and so let's go take it,

846
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: but let's make sure that our order is correct, our

847
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: focus is correct, And so I really want them to go.

848
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: You have already done all this. You can rest in

849
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: the intensity of our work, and you know you do

850
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 4: need some luck. You need some luck, you need some

851
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: good matchups. And so I just want them to be

852
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 4: completely focused on the things that are under their control.

853
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: So our theme has been how how how high can

854
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: your intensity be in your work? In practice? How can

855
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: you outwork people? I said, work ethic, uh, selflessness and

856
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: competitive spirit. Those three things will be the the rally

857
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: cries of where we need to go.

858
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: You when I, of course, everything she says makes me

859
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: want to run through a wall and be like, let's go.

860
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 4: I need to hang out with you don't always think

861
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: I want it.

862
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: I I think that when we talked to Kiki and Gabriella,

863
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: I I just I it was a fourgone conclusion to

864
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: me because it just makes sense to me. But when

865
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: I talked about them being at this next level going

866
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: into the W. You look at the W now and

867
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you're paying attention to what's

868
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: going on.

869
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: With Okay, with the CBA.

870
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I'd love your thoughts on that about what these women

871
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: are asking for because you have been around before there

872
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: was no league, right, you knew that there, you knew

873
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: you knew what it was when it started, and you

874
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: see it now and they could in the bat of

875
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: it all. I'm just I want your tay Well. I

876
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: was actually talking to an agent about this yesterday. Uh,

877
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: you know, I think that.

878
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 4: There's you know, the the fighting for women and pushing

879
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: that forward. Of course, I want these women to get everything.

880
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: And I have this actually have this conversation with our

881
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 4: assistant coach, Mikaela Onion Wedding, you know, and she's in

882
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: on the in the players union and really as on

883
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 4: the front lines of this, and you know what I've

884
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: been talking to her. Are you know, what are the

885
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: non negotiables and what are the compromises and and where

886
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 4: where's the line? Where's the healthy tension of fighting for

887
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: what you deserve? And because I don't think I think

888
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 4: it's going to be impossible to give them what they deserve,

889
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 4: because they deserve more than what is probably capable. But

890
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: what's the healthy tension to going is far to that

891
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: line without diminishing the growth of the game. And that

892
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 4: is not an easy line to find, but I do

893
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 4: think that there is got to be that healthy tension

894
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 4: of you're not giving in at the same time you

895
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: also have a long term vision. And I don't know

896
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: the answer because I'm not in those rooms, you know,

897
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 4: And I just want them to have it all. Like

898
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: you know, I would have just loved to have had

899
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: a leak. You know, when I graduated, it didn't even exist,

900
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: and so and I was too chicken to go overseas,

901
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 4: and so, you know, at the same time, like I

902
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: also want to go. It's time. It's time for people

903
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 4: to step up. It's time for the ownership groups, for

904
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 4: the corporate sponsorship, for the infrastructure to be built correctly.

905
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: Part of the way is that it's been sort of

906
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: a rinky dink piecing it together from a league office standpoint,

907
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 4: which is, you know, we I have to address that too,

908
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: because you're not setting yourself up for success. I mean,

909
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: I'm dealing with that in the college level right now.

910
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 4: It's one thing to say we're a semi pro organization.

911
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: Now we have nil, we have rev share, we have

912
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 4: all these things. Well, you better have a front office.

913
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: Then you had better have something that has an infrastructure

914
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 4: for sustained excellence, and so I think that's just as

915
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: much of an issue as you know, what is the

916
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 4: CBA going to be right now is do we have

917
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 4: you know, are we maximizing all of the angles of

918
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: growth that can reward these women for growing the game

919
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: that the way that they have. So I really feel

920
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: ill equipped because I'm not in the weeds, But I

921
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 4: do think there's going to have to be a healthy tension.

922
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: I feel, like you mentioned on the collegiate level, semi pro,

923
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: I feel like the ladies coming into the league are

924
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 1: changing the mentality of the league because of the money

925
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: that they make, because of what they expect, their expectations

926
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: totally and you're gonna have to meet those expectations.

927
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: They're going to have to meet the moment well.

928
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 4: And also our college players are going to have to

929
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 4: meet the moment because you know, you can't just show

930
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 4: up and go. There's no participation in trophies here, you know,

931
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 4: like there is an expectation of how you do your job.

932
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: So I'm doing retention contracts right now for next year

933
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 4: and having those hard conversations about look, this is not like, oh, well,

934
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 4: I've been loyal another year I'm going to give such

935
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 4: an ex percentage in that's not how the world works.

936
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 4: And so you have got to earn, you've got to perform.

937
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 4: That doesn't make our philosophy transactional. It just is the

938
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: reality when money has entered in. And so we are

939
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 4: still going to be mission minded, we are still going

940
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: to be transformational. But when you're talking about the amounts

941
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: that you're offered, that is going to be based on

942
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 4: your performance. And I have a roster to put together

943
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: and so, and that's going to be at the pros.

944
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 4: Like we've sort of been lulled to sleep in college.

945
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 4: This year, almost every college team had a higher payroll

946
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: than every w NBA team.

947
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: Wow, that's not right, that's crazy.

948
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: That's crazy. The powerful I mean, most of my six

949
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: players that are going to go to the league will

950
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 4: take a pay cut. Yeah, they will take a pay

951
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 4: cut going to the WNBA. And that's not right.

952
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: I was saying this to Carrie, looking at your wonderful

953
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: lack of room because this day with me.

954
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: I had an interview with Candice Parker.

955
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 2: Her book came out, and she said playing in Las

956
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: Vegas was the first time in her w n B

957
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: a career she had her own locker it's not crazy,

958
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: which is crazy, and so like for some of them

959
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: that leaders literally just said. I was like, I hope

960
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: they know that when they go to the next level

961
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 2: they won't look like this locker room, it won't look

962
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: like And.

963
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: They've got two of them exactly, they got one in

964
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 4: their practice facility and they've got one in fact they

965
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: have a practice facility.

966
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: It's like they're gonna be downgraded in money in facilities.

967
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: She she came in and she was like, wait a minute.

968
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 3: So they sent up here, they got a massage.

969
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 4: She was like, I know, it's just crazy.

970
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, it's it's I was like, welcome,

971
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, because sadly she wouldn't understand this, and I

972
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 1: was like, just you have something over there was great,

973
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: he's actually pretty nice.

974
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: Coach is gonna take it because she's elegant clearly is

975
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: not I am petty LaBelle.

976
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 4: But that is an interesting thing, like how do we

977
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 4: take a little bit more of us strategic proactive stance

978
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: and go, Okay, what do we look on our game

979
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: to look like in ten years? What do we want

980
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 4: to look like? And how does college fit into that?

981
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: What would it look like to say, man, I'm so

982
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 4: glad we made the steps A, B and C in

983
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 4: order to get us to this place. And that's why

984
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: I feel like we're in crisis management and we're going

985
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: to plug a hole here and plug a hole there

986
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 4: instead of going, Okay, what have we learned from this?

987
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: And that's what we got into this mess in college

988
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: is we said, Okay, do what you want. We're not

989
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 4: gonna have any boundaries or rules, no plans, no accountability,

990
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 4: no CBA, no none of these things. And it's the

991
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 4: wild wild West. There's no authenticity, no accountability. Whereas why

992
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 4: can't we learn from that and go, okay, what do

993
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 4: we want? What are solutions for the college landscape? And

994
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: what are solutions for the pros?

995
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: But you know, why is that taking so long? Why

996
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: is that? Why is that so hard to do? In

997
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: your opinions?

998
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 4: We do.

999
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 3: Agreed, because that's ready agreed.

1000
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: What is greedy getting back to this year in particular,

1001
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: especially as you approach SANCAA tournament. I know you your

1002
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: roster's not one to one is what it was last year,

1003
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: But what do you see in the mentality of this

1004
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: team this year that you did not see last year?

1005
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 4: There's very few distractions. There's no drama. There's no one saying, well,

1006
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 4: how come I didn't get mine here? They might come

1007
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 4: to me and say, hey, how can I increase my

1008
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 4: role or how can I do that, which is fine.

1009
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: I have no issue having those conversations, but there has

1010
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 4: been a commitment, Like I remember this conversation I had

1011
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 4: with Lauren Bett's last spring, and I said, look, you know,

1012
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 4: if you want to get what you want, you need

1013
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 4: to have your usage rate go down and your efficiency

1014
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 4: go up, and we need more people to feel like

1015
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: their go to players because what did you feel like

1016
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: in that Final four game? I felt alone. I didn't

1017
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 4: feel like other people were prepared to step up or

1018
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: whatever else, and that's my fault, you know. And I said, well,

1019
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: in order to create something different, you are going to

1020
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 4: have to let go of the reins and you're gonna

1021
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: have to empower Kiki to know that she can go

1022
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 4: get hers, and Gabriella can go get hers, and Gianna

1023
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 4: can go get hers and fill in all the blanks.

1024
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 4: And that's easy to say in the summer office, but

1025
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: when people start chirping over social media and nobody has

1026
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 4: had cyber bullying the way more than it's disgusting, but

1027
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 4: for her to stay committed to that in the midst

1028
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: of that and go okay, yeah, no, this is best

1029
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: for us is best And I was so happy, Uh

1030
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: in the Big ten tournament when Kiki was m VP

1031
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 4: and her sister had a breakout game and had more

1032
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 4: points than her, there was nobody more excited for them

1033
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 4: than Lauren.

1034
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: I want best connection.

1035
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's amazing and I think that that's been

1036
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: our key. That's what makes us different this year is

1037
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 4: there is truly a whatever it takes to win and

1038
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 4: that is hard to follow through with, easy to say,

1039
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: and this team has followed through with that.

1040
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 3: Lauren is unstoppable.

1041
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: And do you wonder because as I listened to all

1042
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: the interviews, what she's even said about herself, like she

1043
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: suffered with imposter syndrome. She's trying to figure it out.

1044
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: How does one Because the mental is where you win, that's.

1045
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 4: It, that's it. We're so committed to that.

1046
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: That's where she is.

1047
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, Lauren is one, but Tasha Brown,

1048
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 4: my assistant, deserves so much credit with this. She runs

1049
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 4: our mental conditioning program. But it is literally just like

1050
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 4: you go to the weight room every day, we go

1051
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: to the mind Jim, and we are intentional about it.

1052
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 4: There's a curriculum about it. We believe you never outperform

1053
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 4: your self image. So if I don't help Lauren speak

1054
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 4: well to herself and view herself in an empowering way,

1055
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 4: then it doesn't matter what her jump book is like

1056
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: or anything else is like. It doesn't matter what her

1057
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 4: talent's like. If she doesn't believe it, there's going to

1058
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: be a ceiling on what she can become. And so

1059
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: we work so hard on learning how to talk to

1060
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 4: yourself rather than listen to yourself, you know. We work

1061
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: so hard on helping them understand their locus of control

1062
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 4: and what they give their attention to, what they give

1063
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: their power to have people to have been put into

1064
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 4: their lives. Not everyone gets that that's.

1065
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: A daily exercis an hourly excerpt a minute by a

1066
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: minute exercise.

1067
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 4: And we've gotten great feedback from our alums that is

1068
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: probably one of the most transferable equipping skills we've provided

1069
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 4: them that go with them in whatever area of life

1070
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: they choose. And so and that's what we're that's the

1071
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: mission of our program is to teach mentor and equip

1072
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 4: young women for life beyond UCLA to create an uncommon

1073
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: transformational experience for every young woman. And I would say

1074
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 4: that the mental conditioning side, the mind jim side, is

1075
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: maybe one of the most rewarding things I've seen Kiki Rice.

1076
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: I remember when she came in with her trainer the

1077
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 4: summer of her freshman year. I asked her trainer, what

1078
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: do I need to know about Kiki that I don't

1079
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 4: and he said that she's a more confident ping pong

1080
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 4: player than basketball player. I was like, what he goes,

1081
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 4: You know, you put a ping pong paddle in her

1082
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 4: hand and she's like boom, boom boom, and this moxie

1083
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: comes out. She doesn't yet believe how good she really is.

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Speaker 4: Her confidence is not nearly as high as her talent

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Speaker 4: or her skill. And I was like, you got to

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Speaker 4: be kidding me. And so for us pouring into her,

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Speaker 4: because helping her remind her what her work ethic has

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Speaker 4: earned her and her watching her believe that I'm that

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Speaker 4: girl has been really fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: No, I just want.

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Speaker 4: Us. I always tell Tasha when she's done, and I

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00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 4: was like, that was for me, that was not said.

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Speaker 3: That was for me, by the way.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, as we wrap this interview, this

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Speaker 1: interview has been for me at least like I when

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean you you know, and I a heartbeat,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just so proud to be an alumni, very

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Speaker 1: very happy that you consider me a friend of the program.

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Speaker 3: And it's just an honor to talk to you and

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Speaker 3: see what you do to these girls.

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Speaker 4: Well, I I'm really We've had some people in our

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Speaker 4: village and you are one of those people in our village.

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00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 4: And don't tear up like me because it gets to me.

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Speaker 4: But you know, they say it takes a village to

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Speaker 4: raise a child. I am truly humbled by the village

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Speaker 4: that has helped us build this program. And because it

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00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 4: is not a team, it is a program. And that

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Speaker 4: is what I told our players at the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the year. If I if we don't win a national championship,

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Speaker 4: that will not be my failure. If I don't love

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Speaker 4: and teach and mentor and equip you for life beyond you,

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Speaker 4: that would be my greatest failure. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: obviously you want both and you're you're pursuing excellence as

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Speaker 4: at the highest levels at every single turn, but there's

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Speaker 4: this sense of humility and gratitude. I have to have

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00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 4: a village of people in this transactional age that has

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Speaker 4: gotten behind our mission and supported me, and you are

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Speaker 4: one of those.

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Speaker 3: Co host just is a moment.

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Speaker 2: In this tournament and it was just lovely to be

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Speaker 2: able to be in community with you and be in

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Speaker 2: community with your players.

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Speaker 4: So let's be in community more of off camera. So

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Speaker 4: for sure, I love you, coach, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I know, come on such a little sap. I love

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Speaker 3: my coach.

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Speaker 1: Had I got snottied anterie eyed because I do appreciate

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Speaker 1: what she is doing for women's sports. It takes it

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Speaker 1: takes a lot of character and wisdom, UH to pick

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Speaker 1: and choose battles, UH, to stay motivated to try to

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Speaker 1: raise good humans, right, because when you get to a

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Speaker 1: certain level in life, especially when you get to a

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Speaker 1: collegiate level. You're in college, people aren't working on your soul.

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Speaker 1: They're working on what you can do for them. And

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Speaker 1: in a business where everybody is asking everybody to come

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Speaker 1: and play for them because they want to win it all,

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Speaker 1: she really does still care about people souls and hearts,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I'm excited about the future of women's

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Speaker 1: sports because not only will these women finally get paid

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Speaker 1: what they deserve, they'll be.

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Speaker 3: Out here changing the world because that's just what we do, y'all,

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Speaker 3: That's just what we do.

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Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this edition of Naked Sports. Talk

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Speaker 1: to y'all next week. Naked Sports written and executive produced

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Speaker 1: by me Carrie Champion, produced by Jacquies Thomas, sound design

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Speaker 1: and mastered by Dwayne Crawford. Naked Sports is a part

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