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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back on the drive here on this Friday afternoon, and

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Speaker 2: we go to the phone lines to welcome a very

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Speaker 2: special guest, four time Super Bowl champion, Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer, the great Jack Ham, of course part of

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Speaker 2: the Penn State Radio Network broadcast crew as well.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: How you doing. Thank you so much for taking the time.

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Speaker 2: How's how's the golf game? I got to imagine you're

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Speaker 2: very ready for spring and summer in this weather, Attorney.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing fine, but I don't think my golf

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Speaker 3: game is doing fine. So that's something I've got to

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Speaker 3: work on. It seems like I got to work on

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Speaker 3: it all year round. And it's a tough sport, a master.

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Speaker 2: And it certainly is. What what's what was? What's the

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Speaker 2: I gotta imagine that's probably been a little more frustrating than,

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Speaker 2: uh than than the football skill set that you had.

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Speaker 2: Golf a little golf a little bit more difficult than

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Speaker 2: the grid iron, albeit in a different way.

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Speaker 3: Oh actually, and especially when I've got to go up

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Speaker 3: against guys like Chris Wu and people like that, and

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Speaker 3: who are who are so talented in so many different ways,

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Speaker 3: not just the violin, but golf as well. So it's

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Speaker 3: it's very difficult. It's a it's a competition out there. Jack.

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Speaker 2: Just do me a favor, and please don't let my

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Speaker 2: the end of it.

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Speaker 3: All right, you are so correct?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Jack, obviously you know we we wanted to

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Speaker 2: have you on just to catch up and say hello,

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Speaker 2: and you're obviously a legend amongst our listeners and people

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Speaker 2: have been very excited for this, but we did want

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Speaker 2: to pick your brain kind of the the you know,

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Speaker 2: the meat of the conversation. Here. You are the for

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Speaker 2: those unfamiliar. Jack is part of the Penn State radio

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Speaker 2: broadcast team, like I said, uh, and he is the

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Speaker 2: color commentator for their for their broadcast there, so very

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Speaker 2: dialed in as you can imagine with Penn State football.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Talk to you about some of these prospects because Penn

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Speaker 2: State has some very intriguing ones this year and I

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Speaker 2: think some that fit the needs that the Steelers will

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Speaker 2: be looking for at draft time. I want to talk

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Speaker 2: to you about the Matt and I both think the

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Speaker 2: best interior lineman in this draft class. Vinga Yowana who

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Speaker 2: has a little bit of a mouthful of a name.

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Speaker 2: But I've been working the last couple of weeks to

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Speaker 2: pronounce that. What do we need to know about him?

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Speaker 2: What do you like about him? How do you kind

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Speaker 2: of see him translating to the next level?

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Speaker 3: Well, you want to just made himself into an outstanding

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman. Number one. We we lined him up he

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Speaker 3: went think of a guard being lined up all over

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Speaker 3: yarded situation. We have him lined up as a flanker

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Speaker 3: coming in motion and you can imagine a crackback block,

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Speaker 3: but three hundred pounds plus coming through there. And he

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Speaker 3: is very at athletic. He doesn't lose his feet on

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Speaker 3: to be a number one pick. He's got the the

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Speaker 3: overall strength you need for an offensive lineman. He's athletic

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Speaker 3: good quick feet and good balance. And then and you

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Speaker 3: I firmly believe his best years are ahead of him

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Speaker 4: Jack, great to talk to you, and I want to

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Speaker 4: get back to some of these prospects in a minute.

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Speaker 4: But the Steelers signed a former Nitney Lion in Brisker

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Speaker 4: the safety. What do you think they're getting there?

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Speaker 3: Oh, they're getting a really quality player. Now doing the

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Speaker 2: Kind of staying with the Penn State connection there, I

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Speaker 2: have to imagine you know, Brisker reuniting with his former

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Speaker 1: Jack.

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Speaker 2: I have to think that you've loved the growth in

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Speaker 2: the game that we've seen from Joey Porter Junior, especially

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Speaker 3: Oh. I think Joey Port is another guy who was

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Speaker 3: started to be that lockdown corner that you're looking for

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Speaker 4: So I'm not sure if Jack if the Steelers will

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Speaker 4: has two good ones in this draft. And what's the

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Speaker 4: What's kind of your scotter and report on the two

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what both of the First of all,

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Speaker 3: both Singleton and Alan and the guy that really came

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Speaker 3: He made people miss. He was always going to be.

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Speaker 3: Alan was always going to be a guy who's tried

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Speaker 2: It is the Hall of Famer Jack Ham with us

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Speaker 2: here on the drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I kind of buried the lead a little bit

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Speaker 2: because I think the biggest name that people you know

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Speaker 2: about is Drew Aller. Obviously we know leaning towards I

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Speaker 2: think we were all feeling like Aaron Rodgers is going

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Speaker 2: and clearly is you know, to use another golf analogy,

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Speaker 2: teeing off on the eighteenth hole and certainly not on

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Speaker 2: the front nine. And they're still in that process of

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Speaker 2: trying to identify the next franchise quarterback, and Drew Aller

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Speaker 2: one of the names in the in the conversation this year.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to like about him. He's

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Speaker 2: he's got a lot of the natural raw ability, but

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Speaker 2: obviously there's there's plenty of concerns as well. What's kind

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Speaker 2: of your scouting report on on Drew Aller, how you've

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Speaker 2: seen him grow and what you think might be, you know,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think everybody, with the Penn State coaching staff

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Speaker 3: and all the players, expected Drew Aller last year to

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Speaker 3: have the big, the big breakout year with all the

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Speaker 3: It didn't pan out that way for a number of

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Speaker 3: you're playing against very good secondary the Ohio States, the Michigans, Oregon's. Uh,

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Speaker 3: last year where we're you know, we're one game away

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Speaker 3: And that's that's valid because that's on that is on

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Speaker 3: his resume. Uh. But he's got all the all the

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Speaker 3: intangibles in the sense of being able to be six

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Speaker 3: He can't put touch on it as well. Uh, but

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Speaker 3: that's one thing to do it in the combine. One

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Speaker 3: done that as of yet. But I think his potential

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Speaker 3: people have to be aware that he never in his

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Speaker 4: That's a great point. And even with the addition of Brisker,

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Speaker 4: I think the Steelers will probably draft a safety at

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Speaker 4: some point. What are your thoughts on Wheatly as an

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Speaker 3: Well, Wheatley, he's kind of like a Brisker. Brisker is

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Speaker 3: probably a little bit quicker. I don't think that Wheatly

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Speaker 3: a big barometer for defensive backs and wide receivers especially.

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Speaker 3: But he is the guy that I mean, he just

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Speaker 3: like Brisker, a smart player each year, got better, very physical, good,

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Speaker 3: good taxler that but that forty yard dash time, I

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Speaker 3: So I looked for him to have a long career,

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Speaker 3: but I think that forty yard dashtime is going to

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Speaker 4: Jack. Last thing I have for you is, I think

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Speaker 4: there's an unsung member of one of your teammates of

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Speaker 4: lot of our younger listeners don't understand what a force

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Speaker 4: he was on the field. Could you kind of tell

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Speaker 3: You talk about guys on our defense who didn't get

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Speaker 3: the recognition they Ernie Holmes for about five or six

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Speaker 3: you know, the all world Joe Green, so you are

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Speaker 3: not going to get that kind of recognition and that

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Speaker 3: was difficult for him to handle. But he was a

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Speaker 3: guy that in a championship games against I look back

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Speaker 3: an All Pro Hall of Fame offensive guard, and absolutely

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Speaker 3: destroyed him in our first run to our first Super

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Speaker 3: that type of dominant player and with leverage he was

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Speaker 3: about two hundred and eighty five pounds. And you know,

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Speaker 3: you talk about a guy who he was tough on

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Speaker 3: the field, tough off the field. Yeah, he had a

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Speaker 3: reputation that I think offensive lineman, I know, pro football,

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Speaker 3: you're not afraid of anybody, but you're ever going to

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. The great Jack Ham Pro Football Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 2: kind enough to lend us some of his time on

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Speaker 2: a Friday, Jack great stuff. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: taking the time and all the best. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you soon.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, guys, thank you very much. Take care,