Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKA F Daily with
Speaker 1: me your Girl, Danielle Moody, recording not So live from
Speaker 1: our podstream studios in Times Square. Folks, it is feel
Speaker 1: Good Friday, and after a week away, I am feeling very,
Speaker 1: very good, and so I'm excited to bring you this
Speaker 1: conversation with doctor Kay Hubbard and Tracy L. Rogers this
Speaker 1: week as we end the week. You know, it is
Speaker 1: often right that I'm trying to find ways that we
Speaker 1: can have more expansive conversations around what it means to
Speaker 1: be woke, about what it means to be conscious, And
Speaker 1: in these conversations that I have with doctor Kay Hubbard,
Speaker 1: who is a nature path and working with Black and
Speaker 1: Well mag scene and Black and Well if you follow
Speaker 1: them on Instagram, is all about wellness and black culture,
Speaker 1: and she's in residence there and talks a bit about
Speaker 1: what it means to move from a place not only
Speaker 1: of self practice but also of healing. And then my
Speaker 1: conversation with Tracy L. Rogers. She is an astrologist, and
Speaker 1: we talk about the ways in which the stars are
Speaker 1: aligned or how we feel aligned, and the difference between
Speaker 1: astrology right and you know, being a psychic and how
Speaker 1: those two things aren't not connected, but that you know,
Speaker 1: we all have these significant star maps that are created
Speaker 1: on the day of our birth, and so she talks
Speaker 1: about the importance of that and the guiding principles that
Speaker 1: come with understanding our sun sign, our moon sign, our sending,
Speaker 1: how we are in mercury, and our communication and thus
Speaker 1: for and how it creates a kind of pathway for
Speaker 1: our lives. So I do hope that you all enjoy
Speaker 1: this feel good Friday episode as we close out the
Speaker 1: week with me away on vacation. I will be back
Speaker 1: next week and I'm super excited to reconnect with all
Speaker 1: of you folks. I am so happy to be joined
Speaker 1: on Woke f Daily by doctor k Hubbard, who is
Speaker 1: one of the wellness providers in residence at Black and Well.
Speaker 1: I want you to talk to us a bit about
Speaker 1: why wellness right now, particularly for black people, is of
Speaker 1: the utmost importance. I have been talking about it as
Speaker 1: making this shift on my show, which is you know,
Speaker 1: focused on progressive politics in the age of white supremacies,
Speaker 1: uprising reasurgence right and that work in it of itself
Speaker 1: is exhausting people paying attention to what is happening on
Speaker 1: a daily basis is exhausting, It is disheartening. It produces
Speaker 1: a lot of different levels of anxiety depression. And so
Speaker 1: I've tried to over the last several months and over
Speaker 1: the last year plus of this pandemic, wanting to make
Speaker 1: a focus and a shift in talking about wellness, in
Speaker 1: talking about self care. So can you talk to us
Speaker 1: a bit about your journey into this work and then
Speaker 1: how it has been showing up in these really precarious
Speaker 1: times that we're living in. Yeah, well, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me, and thank you for that introduction. For me,
Speaker 1: I wellness was from my own journey. It was for myself.
Speaker 1: I chose it because I needed it, and then I
Speaker 1: chose to become a provider of it to others because
Speaker 1: people were asking for advice and I didn't have the
Speaker 1: skill set where training. So I went to school. I
Speaker 1: went to medical school, and I'm also in school to
Speaker 1: be a therapist because I see the need for it,
Speaker 1: especially our community. But for me, even in writing the book,
Speaker 1: it was like I need this and I got to
Speaker 1: write it down and then people ask for it and
Speaker 1: I've provided it more broadly. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: this time. In particular, I have seen a lot of people,
Speaker 1: all the black people being more specific, who are wondering
Speaker 1: what they did wrong and wondering why why the self
Speaker 1: care that they've been doing for so long it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be enough because it's not just well, life
Speaker 1: is stressful for many people always. It's also dealing with,
Speaker 1: you know, the fear of COVID and all anxiety around health,
Speaker 1: all the anxiety around what's happening next in our world
Speaker 1: is just so much uncertainty, and because of that, there's
Speaker 1: all those layers. And then of course there was the
Speaker 1: George Floyd murdered summer, and so we really got hit
Speaker 1: from all sides. So I tend to focus on mental
Speaker 1: health with people, but it does manifest in our but
Speaker 1: so in that, I think now is this time to
Speaker 1: really dig in and go deeper on what is self
Speaker 1: healing and not just self care, because we have to
Speaker 1: be doing repair work and creative restoration to get more
Speaker 1: filled up. I want to talk about that more because
Speaker 1: one the feeling, or at least what people have expressed
Speaker 1: to you, of feeling like they're doing something wrong because
Speaker 1: whatever it is that they're doing doesn't seem to be working.
Speaker 1: What do they mean by that or what do you
Speaker 1: interpret as what they mean by that that it's not
Speaker 1: working that. Let's say I started, for instance, last year,
Speaker 1: a meditation practice, a regular meditation practice where I meditate
Speaker 1: now at least once a day, but often times two
Speaker 1: and three times a day, and when I'm feeling a
Speaker 1: sense of dread, you know, taking more time out to
Speaker 1: just walk in nature, really reconnecting ground. But there are
Speaker 1: some days where for me, you know, I could spend
Speaker 1: all day meditating and and I still feel you know,
Speaker 1: I still feel restricted, I still feel um down. I
Speaker 1: may not be it may not feel like it's irreparable,
Speaker 1: but I still feel the feelings that are that are
Speaker 1: coming up. Is that what folks mean when they say
Speaker 1: or you have heard, it's not it's what am I
Speaker 1: doing wrong? It's not working because it hasn't washed completely away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that was a great example of what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in Los Angeles, and I feel like
Speaker 1: we're the land of the try everything for healing, right.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of cities are but Las and Mecca,
Speaker 1: hug So you know, I know people who are like, well,
Speaker 1: I meditate and I exercise and I'm good free Derothy
Speaker 1: refined sugar free and I'm taking all these supplements and
Speaker 1: like they do all of the thing, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I've gone to this healing, I've done pran of this,
Speaker 1: I've got like everything, I have all the crystals, I
Speaker 1: sat in the moon, I yes, all of it. And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, what is it? And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what are you searching for? Because you have tried everything?
Speaker 1: Do you know would you know what you're looking for
Speaker 1: if you found it? Because it seems that you're kind
Speaker 1: of really into the idea of searching at this point,
Speaker 1: So I do. That's one side of it. Other pieces
Speaker 1: what you mentioned where especially with the meditation practice. UM
Speaker 1: meditation is kind of a baseline or like a prep work.
Speaker 1: Like it it means next time a stressor comes your way,
Speaker 1: it might feel a bit less than it wouldn't if
Speaker 1: you didn't have a meditative practice. It can definitely help
Speaker 1: in the moment, breathing techniques, all of that to flip
Speaker 1: you from your sympathetic nervous system to your parentsympathetic nervous
Speaker 1: system and relax something. But having a very long practice
Speaker 1: is what helps the most. According to studies of meditation
Speaker 1: M So it is always it's definitely so helpful, but
Speaker 1: in the immediacy of it, it may not help as
Speaker 1: much if the stress of that day is more intentional.
Speaker 1: And when you say to move from because again, over
Speaker 1: the past you know, year plus, I would say, and
Speaker 1: you know, and this is my observation. So I want
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts. Is that self care and the
Speaker 1: term self care became so prevalent in twenty twenty, right,
Speaker 1: we have this big global slowdown and there are some
Speaker 1: people who were not essential workers, and we had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to actually slow down, had the opportunity to transition,
Speaker 1: to go from and the privilege to go from working
Speaker 1: in an office to working from home, so could adopt
Speaker 1: different practices in their lives that they hadn't when they
Speaker 1: are hopping on subways or trains or in their car
Speaker 1: to get to work and back and so forth. What
Speaker 1: do you mean when you say to move or people
Speaker 1: are moving from this expression of self care into self healing,
Speaker 1: So that folks understand what these two things are and
Speaker 1: how they are different but could in fact be related. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are very related. So I don't I don't want
Speaker 1: to diminish anyone's work. In self care, it's a very
Speaker 1: necessary practice and it's it's a daily thing, and it
Speaker 1: is to me. It's the preventative work, is what self
Speaker 1: care is. So it may be your skin routine or
Speaker 1: the way that someone cares about their hair, or a
Speaker 1: quick daily meditation practice. It can be checking in and
Speaker 1: going do I really want this right now? I think
Speaker 1: that's something we don't do enough to really like feel ourselves.
Speaker 1: But self healing for me would be defined as really
Speaker 1: digging in and being self aware enough to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are my patterns in the past, How am I
Speaker 1: showing up every day? What do I know that I need?
Speaker 1: And it can be a more intensive period. Another example
Speaker 1: would be if you eat well or reasonably balanced at it,
Speaker 1: whatever that is for you most days out of the year,
Speaker 1: then that's self care. You're doing good, You're not eating
Speaker 1: things that are diminishing who you are. But self healing
Speaker 1: would be more like, Okay, right now, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do a full detox and I'm going to fast for
Speaker 1: this period or just to juice or make sure that
Speaker 1: my supplements are exactly where they should be for these
Speaker 1: six weeks because I'm trying to rebuild and set myself
Speaker 1: back up. Folks, I'm so excited to welcome to Willkate
Speaker 1: f were the very first time professional astrologer and certified
Speaker 1: life coach Tracy L. Rogers, who I, in full disclosure,
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do a reading with UM. I
Speaker 1: guess it would be a couple of months ago, a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I've lost track of time in
Speaker 1: the way that we are living now, but I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and you know, and it's funny because I've
Speaker 1: been going back and forth between what came up for
Speaker 1: me and like what is unfolding now and incredibly eye opening. Tracy,
Speaker 1: talk to me about essentially how you got into astrology,
Speaker 1: what made you become a professional astrologist, and I would
Speaker 1: I would ask him, maybe this is this is me too,
Speaker 1: not knowing much about the field. But you're a black woman,
Speaker 1: and whenever I think or see astrologers, it is very
Speaker 1: rare that I see black people, let alone black women.
Speaker 1: So I'd love for you to tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about your journey into this space that I don't
Speaker 1: think you know necessarily, we see a lot of ourselves
Speaker 1: reflected back at us. In this space. Yeah, well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me. I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: connect with you again, and I'm so glad that you
Speaker 1: found your reading eye opening and hopefully it's playing out
Speaker 1: as we discussed. As far as my background, I come
Speaker 1: from a line of seers in readers, so astrology runs
Speaker 1: in my family in other words, and I've been learning
Speaker 1: some aspect of astrology ever since I was a kid.
Speaker 1: There are terror readers in my family as well spiritualist
Speaker 1: and so I've always been learning some aspect of this
Speaker 1: practice for a very long time. It was never anything
Speaker 1: I aspired to do for a living. I guess the
Speaker 1: universe just aligned itself for me to step fully into
Speaker 1: this path and it's been wonderful. And as far as
Speaker 1: the coaching go, you know, I decided to get certified
Speaker 1: as a coach because I found that it was a
Speaker 1: helpful compliment to the readings. You know, Folks come to
Speaker 1: me they want information on themselves for the purpose of
Speaker 1: greater awareness or future forecasts, and I provide that for them,
Speaker 1: but oftentime they're stuck with, Okay, now what do I
Speaker 1: do with this? How do I use this to empower myself?
Speaker 1: And so that's where the coaching comes into play. And
Speaker 1: then as far as being a black woman in this field,
Speaker 1: You're right, the pool of us is small, which is
Speaker 1: unfortunate because there are so many wonderful black astrologers out there,
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful to be able to connect with my
Speaker 1: fellow colleagues and friends in the black community to do
Speaker 1: this work. We support each other, we uplift each other,
Speaker 1: and we're just trying to keep doing our thing and
Speaker 1: make sure that we stay connected to our own lineage.
Speaker 1: You know, our people, they developed this practice and so
Speaker 1: we try to stick true to that in supporting each
Speaker 1: other in our work. You know, I always think that
Speaker 1: it's really interesting when I talk to folks that are
Speaker 1: in what I consider to be healing spaces, work in
Speaker 1: healing and wellness spaces, and I think that astrology, for me,
Speaker 1: at least how it has shown up in my life,
Speaker 1: has been about seeing myself in a different way, has
Speaker 1: been about understanding patterns and my relationships with myself with friends,
Speaker 1: with intimate partners, and so also, you know, the question
Speaker 1: that I have for you too is a lot of
Speaker 1: people too, those seem to confuse astrology and like a
Speaker 1: psychic right so can you can you can you bust
Speaker 1: that myth for us and laying out let it. It's
Speaker 1: not like, well, I see your future and all of
Speaker 1: these things. Can you explain the difference? Yeah? Sure, So
Speaker 1: I'm always quick to emphasize that when it comes to
Speaker 1: getting in astrology reading, your free will is very much
Speaker 1: kept intact. So I am not predicting your future. I
Speaker 1: am not tell you what you should be doing, what
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be doing. My job, literally is to interpret
Speaker 1: how planet alignments in the sky are affecting your life.
Speaker 1: That's it. What you choose to do with that information
Speaker 1: is completely up to you, and that's the beauty of
Speaker 1: astrology because you have this information of how planets are
Speaker 1: aligning themselves to support you and evolving into the best
Speaker 1: version of yourself. And when you have that information, you
Speaker 1: can then choose to make decisions that a reflection of
Speaker 1: what's important to you, what your priorities are, what's truth
Speaker 1: for you. It's kind of like my Angela says, when
Speaker 1: we know better, we do better. And so that's really
Speaker 1: my aim with astrology, and that is the aim of
Speaker 1: any good consulting astrologer who attempts to keep this practice
Speaker 1: in its integrity is by empowering you to take the
Speaker 1: information that you have and curate a life in a
Speaker 1: way that's a reflection of your truth. That's really what
Speaker 1: astrology is. It's not predictive. I'm not telling you when
Speaker 1: you're going to meet your soulmate. I'm not telling you,
Speaker 1: you know, go out and play this lottery. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: this is how your life is being impacted by planet alignments.
Speaker 1: Do what you will with that information. So you know,
Speaker 1: my my job is about telling people how they're being
Speaker 1: impacted by the politics that's around our everyday lives. And
Speaker 1: you know I have been saying and not funny, but
Speaker 1: like I've been saying, you know, I believe that there
Speaker 1: was some type of tear in the universe that no
Speaker 1: one will discover for you know, a millennia, because where
Speaker 1: we are currently in our world, in our country is
Speaker 1: it feels like we are completely out of whack, out
Speaker 1: of alignment, um working against you know, the grain as
Speaker 1: opposed to going with the flow. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: that what comes up for you when you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: in your in your practice as an astrologer, like understand
Speaker 1: how do you use it to understand kind of where
Speaker 1: we are right now. Yeah, that's a really important question
Speaker 1: question because when you're giving readings, you have interpretations that
Speaker 1: have immediate effects on how society or how individuals are
Speaker 1: being impacted. But then you have these longer term trends
Speaker 1: and themes happening courtesy of planet alignment second last decades,
Speaker 1: if not longer. And so you're absolutely right. I love
Speaker 1: how you phrase it, this terror in the universe where
Speaker 1: we are in fact going against the grain. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because I think it was actualcy Ford who said
Speaker 1: something to the extent of when you live in a
Speaker 1: society that you have to run away from, it says
Speaker 1: a lot about the dysfunction of that society, right, And
Speaker 1: so it's really kind of fascinating and also overwhelming to
Speaker 1: see how the planets are are essentially trying to reroute
Speaker 1: us so that we're on the right path, and then
Speaker 1: the resist stance that comes with it just being human beings.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely something that I notice in Track, and
Speaker 1: I try to be mindful of that when it comes
Speaker 1: to how I'm giving readings, how I'm coaching clients and
Speaker 1: letting them know maybe these are some narratives you need
Speaker 1: to change. Maybe these are some stories that you need
Speaker 1: to unlearn, Maybe these are some new perspectives that you
Speaker 1: may need to consider. I mean, it's like we live
Speaker 1: in a society that would have us betray our own
Speaker 1: knowledge and wisdom and intuition, right, And so I'm learning
Speaker 1: that and seeing yourself as your own frame of reference.
Speaker 1: That's the power of astrology. Wow, seeing yourself as your
Speaker 1: own frame of reference. Oh, I will remember that, you know.
Speaker 1: I find that for myself and I you know, and
Speaker 1: I offer all these on my show, the things that
Speaker 1: I'm going through so that other folks, you know, either
Speaker 1: can connect to or just be enlightened by those varied perspectives.
Speaker 1: But for me, what I found over the last you know,
Speaker 1: year and a half living in this global health pandemic
Speaker 1: is a desire to ground myself in ways that I
Speaker 1: have never grounded myself before. I often talk on the
Speaker 1: show about having been stuck in grind culture, having been
Speaker 1: stuck in you know, the need and the expectation of
Speaker 1: the hustle, right, particularly as an entrepreneur and in politics
Speaker 1: and in this kind of industry. And what has been
Speaker 1: offered to me during this time has been the ability
Speaker 1: you know and the privilege to be reflective to say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, what is happening outside I may not ultimately
Speaker 1: be able to control. I can bear witness to it,
Speaker 1: and I can offer that analysis to folks that will
Speaker 1: listen to me or follow me, but I may not
Speaker 1: be able to change it. But what can I change?
Speaker 1: Have you found there to be more of an uptick
Speaker 1: or a difference in the reasons why over this past
Speaker 1: year and a half people maybe coming to see you
Speaker 1: or has it been Yeah? Yeah, absolutely. Last year was
Speaker 1: the busiest year of my career in this practice, in
Speaker 1: this field, the busiest by far, and folks were reaching
Speaker 1: out because folks were panicking wanting to know what was
Speaker 1: going on. And then, of course you have that time
Speaker 1: to reflect and you start to ask important questions of
Speaker 1: yourself and do a lot of self reflection and self inquiry,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, well, everything you thought you knew
Speaker 1: is no longer the same was it ever true? So
Speaker 1: then folks are reaching out for that for guidance, for coaching,
Speaker 1: and so yes, that's definitely been my experience and really
Speaker 1: the experience of a lot of healers, but especially astrologers
Speaker 1: who have just seen an uptick in business because folks
Speaker 1: need some guidance. That is it for Today's Woke, a
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