Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,
Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
Speaker 1: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with
Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable
Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey,
Speaker 1: rain Drops, welcome to another episode of Reality with the King.
Speaker 1: So look, rain Drops, we have to talk about that
Speaker 1: the Pup Rules Part one reunion. I have a lot
Speaker 1: to say, but before I get started, I could not
Speaker 1: do this episode alone. So I am here with my boy,
Speaker 1: Evan Rail, who is the senior TV reporter at the
Speaker 1: New York Post and host a podcast, Virtual Reality.
Speaker 2: So welcome rain Evan Real.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Thank you so much, Carlos.
Speaker 4: I am happy to be here again and to talk
Speaker 4: about part one of the band funt Rules reunion. I
Speaker 4: haven't fully recovered, so I don't know if you watched
Speaker 4: the uncensored pumped up version on Peacock, but that if
Speaker 4: you guys have not watched that version, that is the
Speaker 4: version to watch.
Speaker 3: Because the like.
Speaker 4: Shots that are fired, especially from Lala and James's direction uncensored.
Speaker 3: Is it's so good? It is so good?
Speaker 1: So wait, is it uncensored because they don't believe up
Speaker 1: the curse words? Or are we also seeing new like
Speaker 1: footage that did not Aaron Bravo.
Speaker 4: Both, so you're definitely hearing all the curse words. And
Speaker 4: then there are a few little moments spliced in that
Speaker 4: we didn't see in.
Speaker 3: The version of the Union that aired on Bravo.
Speaker 4: I think one of the revelations was that Sina was
Speaker 4: told by Raquel that Tom told Raquel that they that
Speaker 4: Tom and Arianna were in an open, reallylationship, so he
Speaker 4: was the one spreading the rumor as Arianna suspected like
Speaker 4: it came from him.
Speaker 1: I told my rain drops Evan, that I don't watch
Speaker 1: vand the Pump Rules. I caught season one. A couple
Speaker 1: of episodes of season one. I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: show is good, but for some reason, it was never
Speaker 1: on my radar in terms of appointment television.
Speaker 2: Right, but I never liked Tuesdays I'm watching VPR. That
Speaker 2: wasn't me.
Speaker 1: Long story short, Van the Pump Rules has been off
Speaker 1: the grid for me for like ten years.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: The scandal obviously rocked the world in which I get
Speaker 1: paid money to do, which is reality television. So of
Speaker 1: course I'm like, what the fuck is happening? I did
Speaker 1: a deep dive, and then I must report I caught
Speaker 1: the finale, which was one of the best hours of
Speaker 1: television that.
Speaker 2: I've seen in a very long time.
Speaker 1: And then I caught the reunion and I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Vanda punk Rules was ratchet. I am obsessed. I called
Speaker 1: the show love and I hop it is.
Speaker 3: Loving. Ihep, that's amazing. I love that.
Speaker 1: Yes, this show is ratchet, and listen, I like Ratchet TV.
Speaker 2: It is so fucking good.
Speaker 1: I am super obsessed with this woman named La La Kent.
Speaker 1: She no listen, you all are hearing A newfound fan
Speaker 1: of this show. La La Kent is probably top ten
Speaker 1: one of the most gorgeous women on Bravo. She is sexy, saltry,
Speaker 1: She's such a bitch in a complimentary way. And this
Speaker 1: little James Kennedy is as hood as they come.
Speaker 2: The way he got up Evan.
Speaker 1: And and the fact that Andy had to like physically
Speaker 1: hold him away from charging as Sandoval and then I'm like, cause, Evan,
Speaker 1: I used to do the Atlanta reunions of Housewives. Obviously, honey,
Speaker 1: we have security of as reunions.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait a second.
Speaker 1: No security, So let's get started into this. That reunion
Speaker 1: was tens across the board. And I am now a
Speaker 1: fan of the show of La La James Kennedy, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to gag the girls.
Speaker 2: The toms are hot.
Speaker 3: The toms are hot.
Speaker 4: Okay, that is a brave opinion to share in the
Speaker 4: current climate, Carlows.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: So Raquel was asked this question on Watch What Happens Live,
Speaker 4: which Tom is hotter? And at the time, when we
Speaker 4: thought she was just smooching on shorts, she said Tom Sandival.
Speaker 4: This was pre scanned, so it was like, oh my god, wait,
Speaker 4: what's going on here? So I'm gonna ask you the question, Carlos,
Speaker 4: which Tom is hot?
Speaker 3: Hotter?
Speaker 2: Okay? If I answer, would you answer it to.
Speaker 3: I'll share my answer to Okay, Okay, fine, I'll go first.
Speaker 2: Okay, because listen, I'm honest. I'm honest. Okay.
Speaker 1: Again, I don't know the backstory. This is somebody who's
Speaker 1: now watching the show based on the finale and the reunion.
Speaker 1: And yes, I know all about what an asshole Sandaval is,
Speaker 1: so I get it now.
Speaker 2: I'm being very honest.
Speaker 1: I say this, Tom Sandoval is Johnny Depp sexy. He
Speaker 1: reminds me of a young Johnny Depp.
Speaker 2: He reminds me of Luke Perry.
Speaker 1: You know that that you know from nine oh two,
Speaker 1: one oh Rest in peace. Sandoval is like he's listen.
Speaker 1: He is the quintessential villain, and he looks villain this
Speaker 1: he's a villain. But there's something. Let's have a real conversation.
Speaker 1: Every girl and gay guy we whether we too or still,
Speaker 1: there's always this mystique of the bad boy, right, Sandoval
Speaker 1: is a badass. He's a bad boy. The mustache, the
Speaker 1: twelve pack abs, how ripped he is, he's he's he's
Speaker 1: a looker. But if I had to choose who I
Speaker 1: would like marry and like settle down with and like
Speaker 1: have gorgeous kids, Shorts is boy next door pretty and
Speaker 1: that's more my speed because I look at Sandoval like
Speaker 1: you're good for one night, like like bend me over,
Speaker 1: like have your way with me, do whatever you can.
Speaker 2: But I know this is one night only.
Speaker 1: We're at Shorts, I'm like, can you meet my parents'
Speaker 1: let's have a baby, Like Schwartz is boy next door beautiful,
Speaker 1: So I would go with Shorts.
Speaker 4: Okay, I appreciate their vulnerability here, Carlos and I agree.
Speaker 4: I'm I would pick Shorts, like Schwartz is the one.
Speaker 4: If I had to invite into my bedroom, I would
Speaker 4: invite Schwartz. He has a beautiful face. I honestly think
Speaker 4: that Schwartz has such a he has a very very
Speaker 4: cute face. But you have to do your vander Pump
Speaker 4: rewatch and like do the whole ten season situation. Katie,
Speaker 4: who used to be with Schwortz, famously said that his
Speaker 4: dick doesn't work, so.
Speaker 3: He has a pretty face.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if the equipment were so I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like Carlos, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's best for us to stay away from both
Speaker 4: of them in this moment, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So, wait, Shorts doesn't have a working dick, according to Katie, Okay,
Speaker 1: when you say working, meaning does he need VIAGRAA to
Speaker 1: get it up or or it gets up? But there's
Speaker 1: no motion in the ocean. If you catch my drift.
Speaker 3: The details are unclear.
Speaker 4: We don't really know the the insult came out of
Speaker 4: Katie's mouth. I think she was just looking to hit
Speaker 4: Schwartz where it hurts, and I think she did because
Speaker 4: Schwartz has maintained that his dick does in fact work.
Speaker 4: So the jury is still out whether it works or not.
Speaker 4: We should ask Joe ooh, you know the little side
Speaker 4: piece that was hanging in the apartment that Katie was
Speaker 4: not vibing with, that Katie has called spooky, that Katie
Speaker 4: has called a creep.
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 4: I wonder why we didn't get a Joe appearance on
Speaker 4: the season, especially if she was like living in the apartment.
Speaker 4: I guess I would imagine production one term was like
Speaker 4: do you want to film a few scenes girl?
Speaker 3: Right? Or no?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: And the way you said I'm brave to admit that
Speaker 1: Sandoval's gorgeous, I'm sure she was like, look, bitch, you're
Speaker 1: not going to get me back on this show doing
Speaker 1: the scandal because I don't want to get canceled.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to stay away from it, and that's why. Look,
Speaker 1: I appreciate y Cal for showing up. I mean, she
Speaker 1: may need to check I still appreciate it.
Speaker 4: What did you think of this sort of frivolous pr
Speaker 4: stunt of a restraining order having to sit in the
Speaker 4: trailer one hundred yards away, like.
Speaker 3: A full football field away.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, she's like literally like watching as if she's like
Speaker 4: snacking on popcorn Carlos when she has her chin in
Speaker 4: her hands like this, Like it's hysterical but also kind
Speaker 4: of terrifying, in maniacal, Like where does it land with
Speaker 4: you and your soul when you watch that?
Speaker 1: Oh honey, she's a villain. So listen, I love talking
Speaker 1: to you because obviously you are an esteemed journalist. You
Speaker 1: are a reporter, and you're a fan of the show
Speaker 1: and rain Drops, all the housewives and Brava celebrities, even Nivia,
Speaker 1: Like everybody loves Evan, real Evan, everybody loves him. So
Speaker 1: I look at it also from a producer standpoint, right,
Speaker 1: I find Raquel so interesting because there is something maniacal
Speaker 1: about the fact that you did this restraining order for
Speaker 1: reasons we know, which is you don't want to You
Speaker 1: want to deal with it, but you don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with it, so you're playing this tug of war
Speaker 1: between I like being famous, but I'm being I'm becoming infamous,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure.
Speaker 2: Out which path to take. Right. She obviously is a
Speaker 2: pretty girl.
Speaker 1: She's a pretty girl, and she comes across very dainty
Speaker 1: and a little bit dingy, and I think it works
Speaker 1: for her. So as I'm watching her in the trailer
Speaker 1: watching the show, she.
Speaker 2: Raquel, I think you're pretty.
Speaker 1: You look crazy, Like she look crazy to me because
Speaker 1: I was like, emotion.
Speaker 4: Theless, yes, she does look crazy and emotionless, and it
Speaker 4: was just like so jarring. Well, the one time she
Speaker 4: kind of perked up was when James and Santoval were
Speaker 4: having that like near physical brawl altercation situation. Meanwhile, Andy's
Speaker 4: trying to ask the question, when you started hooking up
Speaker 4: with Rakel, why don't you just end it with Ariana,
Speaker 4: and as like all the chaos is happening and Santaval
Speaker 4: isn't able to answer the question. Raquel's like sitting in
Speaker 4: the trailer like I really want him to answer this question,
Speaker 4: like answer it. I want to hear, Like what what
Speaker 4: do you think he's gonna say. It's like she was
Speaker 4: waiting for some like I don't know, like loving soliloquy
Speaker 4: or something like what.
Speaker 3: The reason they're fighting, the reason they're like hitting each other.
Speaker 2: Is because of you. And she's honey, I hope like.
Speaker 3: Santaval haws someome sweet things to say it about me.
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's get into it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So when the reunion first started again, I love this
Speaker 1: recap because I'm a boy with fresh eyes and I'm
Speaker 1: watching it based strictly on the scandal. And congratulations, Bravo,
Speaker 1: you now have a new fan of this show and
Speaker 1: you trust and believe I'm watching next season.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is going on between La La and Lisa
Speaker 1: Vanda Pump? So we got to talk about it, Honey, Lala?
Speaker 1: Who gives you a good old heavy lock layer tease? Okay,
Speaker 1: Lala is the heather, the lock layer of Vanda Pump Rules.
Speaker 1: She's a gorgeous blonde, She's a villain. I love La
Speaker 1: La so much. I watched this Randall documentary on Hulu
Speaker 1: and got my entire life for one hour and forty
Speaker 1: five minutes of that fucking scandal. We'll do another recap
Speaker 1: later about that. So I'm all about La La. I'm
Speaker 1: all about her podcast, I'm all about her t shirt line.
Speaker 1: Send it to Darryl, which is Darryl Miller, her attorney
Speaker 1: who also represents Angela Bassett and used to represent Nini Leaks.
Speaker 2: Just some background teap.
Speaker 3: For you guys know that.
Speaker 1: Oh he also used to represent Kenya Moore.
Speaker 2: Daryl Miller is like a legend. Oh he's an icon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he has everybody again, from Angela Bassett esteemed Golden
Speaker 1: Glove winning actress to La La Camp a bra B
Speaker 1: celebrity who is making money from.
Speaker 2: The show and in the podcast.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm watching it and I haven't seen Lisa
Speaker 1: Vanda Pump since she exited stage left on Beverly Hills
Speaker 1: when she by Kyle, Like, that was the last time
Speaker 1: I saw Lisavanda Pump in action.
Speaker 2: So when she came out wearing.
Speaker 1: The black version of Giselle Bryant's reunion dress, which you know, Shaye,
Speaker 1: Lisa looked great in it, I.
Speaker 3: Just put that together.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it was a black version of Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I got it. I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: Oh all good, love it. Right.
Speaker 1: So, when Lisa Vanda Pump, which we got to do
Speaker 1: a deep dive into Evan because you watch the show,
Speaker 1: When Lisa Vanda Pump started to defend Tom Sandoval, Well,
Speaker 1: but don't call him dangerous, dal don't call him dangerous.
Speaker 2: That's a vent heystro accusation. Don't call him dangerous, right, And.
Speaker 1: Lala's like, pretty much paraphrasing, Lala's like, I didn't ask
Speaker 1: for your fucking opinion, And I was like, Oh, these
Speaker 1: people do not respect Lisa Vanda Pump at all. And
Speaker 1: Lisa Vanda Pump looks shocked. What the f is going
Speaker 1: on on the show to where Lisa Vanda Pump. From
Speaker 1: my understanding, she's their boss, She's the granddam.
Speaker 2: The show is named after her.
Speaker 1: But I get the sense that they don't respect her,
Speaker 1: and she's gagging because the way you control those nine
Speaker 1: to two one zero bitches, you're not able to.
Speaker 2: Do that to these millennials.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was honestly so shocked to see Lala come
Speaker 4: at Lisa Vander from that way. I'm not saying I
Speaker 4: didn't enjoy it, Like I was absolutely living for it,
Speaker 4: because I love when any one sort of like defies authority,
Speaker 4: whether I agree with it or not, I certainly like
Speaker 4: feel the rush watching it.
Speaker 3: But I I think with Lisa.
Speaker 4: Vander Pump, you know, only the only person really truly
Speaker 4: working at the restaurant is raquel, Like that's the only
Speaker 4: full time cast member working at the restaurant. I don't
Speaker 4: I don't even know how much she like really works there.
Speaker 4: So she's the only sense of boss she is to
Speaker 4: these kids, is like as an EP of the show,
Speaker 4: Like she's not really there like boss at sir any longer.
Speaker 4: And I also think that these kids' lives are becoming
Speaker 4: so interesting as they get older, and Lisa's role in
Speaker 4: their lives.
Speaker 3: Is sort of decreasing.
Speaker 4: And I've seen like a lot of people on social
Speaker 4: media talk about, like is Lisa really essential to the
Speaker 4: show anymore? Should we just like let her go? It's
Speaker 4: kind of like, you know, she kind of has to
Speaker 4: like consert herself because she's like an EP. Her name
Speaker 4: is on it, like she is the reason this show exists.
Speaker 4: Like I feel like we're like in an interesting era
Speaker 4: right now where we're like figuring out how how we
Speaker 4: move forward with or without Lisa. And I think that
Speaker 4: that's registering in the cast members' minds.
Speaker 3: They're like, well, well you.
Speaker 4: Don't really like I can say how I feel and
Speaker 4: I can reject your opinion. Lisavander Pump because you really
Speaker 4: don't have any pull over me anymore.
Speaker 1: It took some balls, Yeah, it took balls, testicles, everything
Speaker 1: to stand up to Lisa Vanda Pump because I'm just
Speaker 1: reminded about how the Housewives of Beverly Hills used to
Speaker 1: be so afraid of her. I mean, my favorite housewife,
Speaker 1: Kylee called her Bobby Fischer, right like the game that
Speaker 1: she plays. So to see La La stand up to her,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh. And Emma James Kennedy
Speaker 1: kinda also defended himself against her, And in that very moment,
Speaker 1: what I saw was Lisa Vanda Pump realizing she lost
Speaker 1: control of the cast. She doesn't have control anymore over
Speaker 1: this show. The cast, the cast barely wanted to respect Andy,
Speaker 1: like the fact that they kept talking over him, and
Speaker 1: the fact that James Kennedy, who deserves an Oscar Inmy.
Speaker 2: Golden Glow, ras the award.
Speaker 1: His performance was so fantastic, it was it was fascinating
Speaker 1: to watch. But do you think that Lisa was defending Tom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think she wasn't.
Speaker 4: I think that also added to the lack of respect
Speaker 4: that the cast showed her as a whole, because obviously
Speaker 4: no one is messing with Tom right now. And the
Speaker 4: fact that she was sort of like defending him in
Speaker 4: any like she could have, she was defending him, I
Speaker 4: think pretty like lightly like I just but you can't
Speaker 4: get away with any defense of Tom Sandoval right now.
Speaker 4: So I think that that definitely like impacted the way
Speaker 4: that they spoke to her because they're like, what you're
Speaker 4: not gonna do is defend Tom Sandoval in this moment.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and like even I was at a panel
Speaker 4: the other day because the Evan front Rules is coming.
Speaker 3: For an Emmy.
Speaker 4: They did a whole FYC event and they want to
Speaker 4: be considered for an Emmy.
Speaker 1: So hold up, Evan, because we got to break this
Speaker 1: down to my rain drops. Okay, just so you all
Speaker 1: know when it's time to so let me tell you
Speaker 1: all what happened.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, when a show is nominated for an Emmy, there's
Speaker 1: a campaign that the movie studios do, the television studios,
Speaker 1: television networks, production companies.
Speaker 2: You campaign for your show, movie.
Speaker 1: Et cetera, the actors whatever to be nominated.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a campaign.
Speaker 1: You have to submit a nomination and the Television Academy
Speaker 1: is a group of people in the industry and they
Speaker 1: have to vote for which ones can even make it
Speaker 1: in the nomination category then wins. So what FYC means
Speaker 1: is for your consideration. So if you live in La Girl,
Speaker 1: go to Sunset Boulevard and you will see tons of
Speaker 1: billboards with FYC because these studios are campaigning for an
Speaker 1: Emmy nomination. Now, look, when it comes to reality TV,
Speaker 1: unless you're Shark Tank, Rupe, Paul's Drag Race or Amazing Race,
Speaker 1: you typically don't get nominated or even win an Emmy
Speaker 1: in the docu series category, which is Vanda Pump Rules, Housewives,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So Evan tell us what is happening with
Speaker 1: Vanda Pump Rules campaigning for Emmy nomination.
Speaker 4: I mean, they had a big FYC event. It was
Speaker 4: a panel discussion and this big like incredible party afterwards
Speaker 4: to sort of like, I don't know, make the Emmy
Speaker 4: voters fall in love with the series. And it was honestly,
Speaker 4: it was incredible. Like Laala and Sheena showed up to
Speaker 4: this party. They're taking pictures with Emmy voters, like you know,
Speaker 4: like they're like getting everyone excited. There was a whole
Speaker 4: a not about the pasta bar. They were like themed
Speaker 4: cocktails like it.
Speaker 3: It was a whole thing. It was really really cool.
Speaker 4: But before we got to the party, there was a
Speaker 4: panel between Alex Baskin, who's the executive producer, and Lisa
Speaker 4: vander Pump and it was a conversation moderated by s
Speaker 4: c Cup from CNN, And when s c cup was
Speaker 4: asking about Sandoval, even on the panel, Lisa did, what,
Speaker 4: you know, was kind of defending Tom, like she I'm
Speaker 4: and I think that because maybe she's in business with him,
Speaker 4: is a reason why she defends him, because they've had
Speaker 4: like a decade plus relationship. Because what was so a
Speaker 4: little jarring was Lisa's defense of Tom and the empathy
Speaker 4: that she has for him, juxtapose against the way she
Speaker 4: talks about Raquel, who she even called Rachel at some point.
Speaker 2: Like ever he got the fuck up?
Speaker 3: What yeah? Yeah, Like Lisa called her Rachel at one point.
Speaker 4: So it's clear that Lisa, and you know, from what
Speaker 4: I see, has more respect for Sandoval than Raquel, which
Speaker 4: is just so interesting. And apparently Raquel is off the grid.
Speaker 4: She's at the mental health facility. Lisa says she hasn't
Speaker 4: heard from her since the union. I asked Alex Baskin
Speaker 4: if he had heard from Raquel, and he said he
Speaker 4: hasn't heard from her directly, but he is getting updates
Speaker 4: from her team, from her family who say she's doing well.
Speaker 4: But I don't know if you saw now, the family
Speaker 4: is trying to get the FBI involved. They want FBI
Speaker 4: protection for Raquel because apparently she is getting tons of
Speaker 4: death threats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the FBI is getting plum what Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So look, I have to say this, Bravo fans,
Speaker 1: Reality fans all, like all of even me and Evan included,
Speaker 1: we're still fans of the show. It's one thing to
Speaker 1: have an opinion like we're having now, But you see
Speaker 1: the difference is we're not tearing Raquel down.
Speaker 2: We're having fun.
Speaker 1: We're laughing at obviously the moments within the show. You
Speaker 1: guys got to stop bullying people on social media. You
Speaker 1: can't sit up here and say mental health is important
Speaker 1: and you harassed and bully people.
Speaker 2: You can't. It doesn't go hand in hand. Listen, ra Kel.
Speaker 1: Made a miss I was about to say she made
Speaker 1: a mistake, but that's even like reaching So I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna whatever.
Speaker 2: Let me stop it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a mistake, because a mistake you kind of do once,
Speaker 1: not continuously. So Carlos King, you need to stop. It's
Speaker 1: not a mistake. So I checked myself in the moment
Speaker 1: before y'all do. Okay, ra Qul does something abhorrent, right,
Speaker 1: you don't sleep with your best friend's man, like that's
Speaker 1: like girlfriend one on one period. Okay, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that gives us the right to bully and harass
Speaker 1: somebody to the point where they're checking into a mental
Speaker 1: health facility allegedly and is now getting the FB I involved, Like, Evan,
Speaker 1: this is serious.
Speaker 4: I know, and I so I know that the family
Speaker 4: has put in the request to have the protection. I
Speaker 4: don't know if the FBI is willing to take this on.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they have it in their schedule
Speaker 4: to take care of Raquel, But yeah, I guess the
Speaker 4: family is really worried.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get back into all of this. One
Speaker 1: other things we saw at the reunion Evan Tom Tom
Speaker 1: not having the same story of timeline. Okay, So Tom
Speaker 1: Sandoval alleges it has one on one with Andy, which
Speaker 1: by the way, was super genius to do the one
Speaker 1: on one so that you could make sure which is listen,
Speaker 1: so smart, you want to make sure that without the
Speaker 1: Peanut Gallery, you're able to say how you feel without
Speaker 1: any interruption, and also to make sure that what you
Speaker 1: say can be used against you in the court of reunion. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Sandaval alleged that the affairs started around August. Okay,
Speaker 1: uh huh, that's what he said in his one on
Speaker 1: one with Andy. However, on this on the main stage
Speaker 1: with everybody, Shortz said the affairs started in January, so
Speaker 1: their stories are not corroborating. And listen, I know Schwartz
Speaker 1: is trying not to get canceled. He's trying to protect
Speaker 1: the business. So is Lisa Vanda Pump. So he's trying
Speaker 1: to make sure that at least his hands are clean.
Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, Shorts,
Speaker 1: the jig is up. You have to just come I
Speaker 1: think if Shorts comes clean and say, look, I did
Speaker 1: something equally abhorrent. I should have never allowed my best
Speaker 1: friend to use my home to have an affair on
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. And then when they show the flashbacks of
Speaker 1: Shorts intimating like where Raquel's hit because she wants to see.
Speaker 2: Somebody you know closely. It's like, dude, give it up.
Speaker 1: So what was your thoughts when you realize their stories
Speaker 1: weren't the same.
Speaker 4: Well, I love La La Kant for calling it out, like, oh,
Speaker 4: did you not get your links toort like timelines to
Speaker 4: match up?
Speaker 3: That was so good?
Speaker 4: But I think that yeah, I think it was just
Speaker 4: sloppy coaching on Sandoval's part. I think that, as Ariana mentioned,
Speaker 4: the dude likes to coach his minions, and right now
Speaker 4: he has Raquel and he has Schwartz, and maybe he
Speaker 4: spent a little bit too much time coaching Raquel because
Speaker 4: then when it was time for Schwartz again in the
Speaker 4: hot seat, he didn't match up with what he thought,
Speaker 4: you know, like what he told Andy. But like you said,
Speaker 4: it was so great that they did those because now
Speaker 4: we can see the discrepancies and you see more of
Speaker 4: Tom Sandoval's true character.
Speaker 2: Do you think Tom Sandival can survive the scandal?
Speaker 4: I mean, I I just like, right now, I can't
Speaker 4: see him ever recovering, Like I feel like he will
Speaker 4: be just sort of in this perpetual state of hate.
Speaker 3: From the Bravo fandom, Like I just can't.
Speaker 4: I can I can see maybe like I think Schwartz
Speaker 4: will end up being all right, like he you know,
Speaker 4: like he's gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I hope that Raquel's just like physically and mentally okay.
Speaker 4: Ye you know Sandoval, he's out here tour like, he's
Speaker 4: still continuing a tour.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Guess there's did you buy tickets?
Speaker 4: I'm not buying tickets. Unfortunately. I have been to three
Speaker 4: of his shows.
Speaker 2: Is he good?
Speaker 4: I mean, pre scandabal, I was enthusiastic about his enthusiasm,
Speaker 4: you know, now, could I bear to listen to twenty
Speaker 4: five cover?
Speaker 3: Something like? Do I need to hear him do?
Speaker 4: Like the like Beg's no, Like I never need that
Speaker 4: moment in my life again, like ever. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: have been to three of his concerts. I was there
Speaker 4: the night that Arianna found out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: I was there because he he was performing his songs
Speaker 4: to his first like original single Superstars at Tom Tom
Speaker 4: like pegged the episode that was airing that night, and
Speaker 4: so I was invited the only reporter invited to interview
Speaker 4: him because I, you know, at one time wrote this.
Speaker 3: Music feature on Tom sanderbal.
Speaker 4: And, Like I said, I was enthusiastic about his enthusiasm
Speaker 4: and so, by the way, but not.
Speaker 1: To cutch Off, but that is probably the most shadiest
Speaker 1: read that I have heard a long time. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use that shit. I am enthusiastic about your enthusiasm, bitch.
Speaker 2: That's the reading. Continue you ever really use it?
Speaker 3: Use it.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I wrote this music feature and then I
Speaker 4: kept getting invited to all these concerts because he loved
Speaker 4: this music feature so much.
Speaker 3: And then it was like the full circle.
Speaker 4: Moment, like being there the night that you know, his
Speaker 4: world kind of like upended. And then now he's like
Speaker 4: if I say I'm enthusiastic about his enthusiasm, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, yeah, the show for anyone who goes,
Speaker 4: like bring your snacks, bring your gatorade, you need to
Speaker 4: prep because it is a very.
Speaker 3: Very long show and you don't know when it's gonna end.
Speaker 4: Because I think that sometimes he just likes to add
Speaker 4: more and more songs because he truly loves the sound
Speaker 4: of his own voice. And from what I've seen on
Speaker 4: social media, even though he likes to extend these shows,
Speaker 4: I don't know how much he likes to sort of
Speaker 4: mix up the set list because I do keep hearing
Speaker 4: like the same songs, like he loves doing Stacy's mom
Speaker 4: And one day it's ra Quel is not the one
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: The next day it's ri Kel is so hot for me.
Speaker 4: So he's like he's trying to like keep it interesting,
Speaker 4: keep you intrigued with The people who are showing up
Speaker 4: to his shows are like they have like signs that
Speaker 4: say like Tim Mariana and like fuck Sandibal, like they're
Speaker 4: like they're not it's not fans showing up to the concert.
Speaker 4: No one's enthusiastic about his enthusiasm. Enthusiastically ragging his ass.
Speaker 2: That's clearly what it is.
Speaker 1: But you know what's so funny about that, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, y'all.
Speaker 2: Are still buying tickets, So you're putting money, isn't that son?
Speaker 4: That's true, But he's also been having trouble selling out shows,
Speaker 4: and so like now tickets are bogo, Like you get
Speaker 4: a Bogo deal with the ticket. It's like buy one,
Speaker 4: bring your friend for free.
Speaker 3: That's where we're at.
Speaker 1: Carlos, Honey, not a coupon deal on group on honey. Wow, Okay, listen,
Speaker 1: all right, So we're talking about next season now because
Speaker 1: Carlos King is officially a VPR stand I'm invested, but
Speaker 1: I'm only going to be invested everybody if I'm getting Arianna,
Speaker 1: Raquel and Tom the same season. So there has been
Speaker 1: rumors Evan real that Arianna's has said I'm not filming
Speaker 1: with them, which to me is the kiss of death
Speaker 1: for any reality start. You never say which you're not
Speaker 1: gonna do. You don't give ultimatums because you get fired.
Speaker 1: I've seen it happen firsthand. Don't ever do that. Can
Speaker 1: Arianna have the power to say that? And if so,
Speaker 1: and be very honest, seriously, are we interested in ban
Speaker 1: the pump rules without seeing no interactions between Tom, Raquel
Speaker 1: and Arianna.
Speaker 4: I think the casts and producers need to figure out
Speaker 4: a way to make that happen. I did ask Alex
Speaker 4: about that the other night when I saw him, and
Speaker 4: what he did say was like, look like Tom and
Speaker 4: Ariana like still live in the same house. So even
Speaker 4: just like the logistics of that connect them. So if
Speaker 4: cameras go up tomorrow, they still live in the same house,
Speaker 4: so you are going to kind of get that awkward
Speaker 4: scene where they cross paths in the house. So like
Speaker 4: there is a way to make it work. I mean,
Speaker 4: like you mentioned, Ariana said she doesn't want to film
Speaker 4: with Sandoval or Raquel. There's got to be like some
Speaker 4: sacrificial lamb who is willing to be the sort of
Speaker 4: like conduit for connection and the only person I can
Speaker 4: think of.
Speaker 3: And I love her so much. She's such an icon.
Speaker 4: She gives everything to her job on the show, is
Speaker 4: a sheenashe. I think that she could build some sort
Speaker 4: of not even a bridge, but be sort of like
Speaker 4: the liaison between two groups. I'm not saying that she
Speaker 4: needs to be best friends with Raquel and Tom Sandoval again,
Speaker 4: but like she did have really deep, strong connections with
Speaker 4: both Sandoval and Raquel, so she would be the only
Speaker 4: one that would make sense in my mind to be
Speaker 4: involved in whatever we have to do to make everyone work.
Speaker 4: But Alex has said there is a big twist coming
Speaker 4: at the end of the Reunion Part three. It's something
Speaker 4: that only one cast member and the showrunner is aware of.
Speaker 4: It's a twist so shocking that it is going to
Speaker 4: impact how cast members feel about moving forward with the show.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the twist is. There was
Speaker 3: a rumor.
Speaker 4: That the secret was that Lisa knew about the affair
Speaker 4: longer than she had let on and didn't tell Arianna.
Speaker 4: But Arianna has said she doesn't believe that rumor. I
Speaker 4: did ask Lisa about that, and she didn't answer my question.
Speaker 1: So Evanrail has dropped an exclusive on Reality with the
Speaker 1: King Sound Effect. Now, Sierra, look one thing about Evanrail,
Speaker 1: because let me tell you. Let me tell you about Evan.
Speaker 1: Evan obviously is super gorge. He is the nicest guy
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: He is so welcoming.
Speaker 1: He has the ability to get it neat body to
Speaker 1: answer a question because you're like, fine, Evan, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you whatever you want. So I am gagging that Lisa
Speaker 1: Vanderpomp did not answer your question.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, thank you for the sweet words. It
Speaker 3: really means a lot.
Speaker 4: But yeah, she she put her dancing shoes on and
Speaker 4: she'd danced around that question.
Speaker 3: She did.
Speaker 4: She was not answering it. I was like, and then
Speaker 4: she like, she has this like great way of sort
Speaker 4: of like deflecting and talking about something else. And then
Speaker 4: she talked about how emotional the reunion was and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. But then she was like, I never
Speaker 4: give away to the game Darling, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: so are the fans right?
Speaker 2: Did you know it.
Speaker 1: Would make sense why she's been defending time Listen.
Speaker 2: There was something so.
Speaker 1: Strategic about her defense of the time. A lot of
Speaker 1: people said, well, she's in business with them, they own
Speaker 1: five percent of the restaurant. But I'm telling you it
Speaker 1: was something else. I'm like, I can see that, but
Speaker 1: it's something bigger. I think this is that it could
Speaker 1: be that. Excuse me because in the words of Kyle Richard,
Speaker 1: she is Bobby Fisher and it's chess. When you're playing
Speaker 1: the game a reality TV with Lisa Vanda Pump, I
Speaker 1: don't trust it because she's so adult.
Speaker 2: Where's Nikola? And you know was Ken? And you know.
Speaker 1: Like there's because she's she's so unassuming.
Speaker 2: She's not loud, she's not ratchet, she's not in your face.
Speaker 1: She's very subtle and and Lisa, bitch, if you're doing that, girl,
Speaker 1: I got to ask this question before.
Speaker 2: We move on.
Speaker 1: Can not even can is Lisa Vanda Pump needed for
Speaker 1: vand the Pump Rules moving forward?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think if you ask the chorus of
Speaker 4: fans on social media, a lot of them would say no.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know that she feels like a mother
Speaker 4: and a mentor to a lot of these kids. But
Speaker 4: you know, even Ariana said on the reunion, like, if
Speaker 4: you keep up a relationship with Tomic, I'm just not
Speaker 4: going to be as close with you, Like I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna hang out of Tom's Tom, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: come to sir like I don't like, I just don't
Speaker 4: want to be around you if you're going to be
Speaker 4: around Tom Sandoval and like continue on with this relationship.
Speaker 4: And I think that at this point, like eighty nine
Speaker 4: point nine to nine percent of the cast feels that
Speaker 4: way too. So I think in this current moment, the
Speaker 4: cast would be more than happy to film without their mama.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, I feel like, yeah, it
Speaker 4: feels like it feels like some of the fans and
Speaker 4: a lot of the casts don't think she's necessary.
Speaker 1: And let me just say again, as somebody who just
Speaker 1: started watching it, how do you feel, Oh she's not needed?
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's easy for me. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: And when I say this to me is a compliment.
Speaker 2: I didn't know about to.
Speaker 1: Put rules was ratchet. I really I was like these
Speaker 1: kids listen. I'm I'm old, so they are kids to me.
Speaker 1: But the way it's hard to describe. I have not
Speaker 1: seen a fascin of millennials from that age group and
Speaker 1: that sector of life since the Hills.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Christian Cavaliary, Lauren Conrad, Heidi.
Speaker 1: Spencer, you know, Audrena Like, I've never seen a group
Speaker 1: of millennials in that sector of life who are tailor
Speaker 1: made for television because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what I love about the Van der Pump Rules cast.
Speaker 1: Yes they're rich and famous and all these things, they
Speaker 1: still have this sense of normalcy. Like the way they
Speaker 1: converse with each other, the way they allow themselves to
Speaker 1: behave is not like and y'all gonna read me for
Speaker 1: saying this, but it's fine y'all reading me anyway. It's
Speaker 1: not like Housewives, where once Housewives gonna taste of fame
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, It's about my brand.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to argue anymore.
Speaker 1: Because I'm all about peace and love and happiness or
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you a moment. I'm not,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I don't like that, and one thing
Speaker 1: I will give those Vanda Pump Rules kids is the fact.
Speaker 2: That they are still very.
Speaker 1: Relatable in the sense of what's happening in their everyday lives.
Speaker 1: And when I saw Lisa, and again because I've been
Speaker 1: watched the show in ten years, when I saw Lisa
Speaker 1: sitting next thing Andy, I was like, why the fuck
Speaker 1: are you here? And then once you started interacting, I
Speaker 1: was like, honey, you're aged out. You guys to go.
Speaker 1: I'm only interested in these kids and what they have
Speaker 1: going on. So I don't think and I like Lisa
Speaker 1: Vanda pump I'm just saying for Vanda Pump Rules, the
Speaker 1: game has changed the show from what I was told
Speaker 1: was on the verge of being canceled, possibly because it
Speaker 1: was no longer interesting. And the people who are going
Speaker 1: to save the future of Vanda Pump Rules is going
Speaker 1: to be the Toms that that amazing James Kennedy, the
Speaker 1: super gorgeous and super villainous La La, Raquel, Katie Sheena, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm invested in them.
Speaker 4: As a producer, when you think of okay, so you're
Speaker 4: thinking about Arianna refusing to film with Tom and Raquel,
Speaker 4: but we need to move forward with the next season
Speaker 4: including Tom and Raquel and Arianna and everyone like what
Speaker 4: kind of like puzzle would you put together? Like how
Speaker 4: how would you make it work if you had to.
Speaker 1: Great question, Listen, no one gives me an ultimatum, you're
Speaker 1: off the sheolve you do that, Like, there's ways of
Speaker 1: saying things like the for my you know, for the
Speaker 1: safety of dot dot dot, then of course.
Speaker 2: You take that seriously. So I want to make that
Speaker 2: very clear.
Speaker 1: For someone's safety, physical safety, mental health safety, then yes, you.
Speaker 2: Take those things into consideration.
Speaker 1: So I would need to know how deep it is.
Speaker 1: But I would easily listen if I was a producer
Speaker 1: or Arianna's friend or the owner of the company who
Speaker 1: produced it. And Alex Baskin is one of the most
Speaker 1: genius producers in.
Speaker 2: The world, so shout out to him.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would easily say to Arianna, you are possibly
Speaker 1: the most popular reality start in the world right now.
Speaker 1: If you want to continue you being that and take
Speaker 1: advantage of that outside of the show, you it would
Speaker 1: work in your best benefit to make sure you continue
Speaker 1: being seen with them, to give those moments, the moment
Speaker 1: you feel like you're bigger than the show or you
Speaker 1: have surpassed the scandal. No one's going to care about you.
Speaker 1: So those fake moving boxes, little move you did for
Speaker 1: your endorsement, no one's going to be contacting you.
Speaker 2: Arihanna was on the fucking View.
Speaker 1: They transformed the set of the View to banda punk's
Speaker 1: rule set. Wolby Goldberg hates reality to vision, so does
Speaker 1: Sonny Houstin. Thank you, Bethany like the only one who's
Speaker 1: into it, who's into reality, Sarah is Sarah and Alyssa
Speaker 1: you were on the View. It's in your best benefit
Speaker 1: if I would say to the to Alice Baskin, whatever
Speaker 1: you guys think.
Speaker 2: You need, I'll do it. Yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Tom needs it, Raquel needs it. Give this to us.
Speaker 1: It's in your best interest to do it. If you
Speaker 1: don't do it, all this fame and notoriety and endorsements
Speaker 1: is going to fall because no one's going to care.
Speaker 3: All right, Carlos King with a word, Well there you go.
Speaker 1: Now before I let you go, because again there everybody
Speaker 1: loves Evan, Honey. I recently saw you hanging out with
Speaker 1: one of my favorite housewives, Erica Jane, who just announced
Speaker 1: she's having a Vegas residency. With that being said, you
Speaker 1: did an interview with her. What can you tell us
Speaker 1: is happening on this very anticip paid season on Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills in terms of the overall scope and or what's
Speaker 1: happening with Erica Jane.
Speaker 3: So Erica Jane, she seems to be in a.
Speaker 1: Cool rain job. I know, y'all, it was just getting juicy.
Speaker 1: But to hear more of my exclusive with Evan Real
Speaker 1: about this upcoming season of the Real housewats of Beverly Hills,
Speaker 1: go onto my YouTube channel YouTube dot com, slash at
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