1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, welcome in. We're going to have a great 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: forty minute chat with John Middlecoff about some NFL storylines. 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: He's got great stuff on the Steelers, on the forty 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: nine Ers. We talked Russell Wilson and the Denver Broncos 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: and Sean Payton Buffalo Bills as well. He's also going 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: to talk about the one hundred and twenty third US 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: Open at the LA Country Club. You know, it is interesting. 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: I've lived in LA now for seven eight years and 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: had visited many times, probably fifty times in my life. 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting when you live in Los Angeles, 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: the perception of the state of California and the reality 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: of the state of California. I drive by the LA 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: country Club about once a week. There's the Riviera country Club, 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: the Brentwood country Club, the bel Air Country Club, the 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: LA Country Club. For a city of this size, considering 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: the cost of real estate, there's beautiful, beautiful golf courses 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: everywhere in Los Angeles. San Francisco's a beautiful city as well. 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: I never thought it was a great golf course city. 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, But going back to Los Angeles, you know, 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: and I understand that in cable the way to make 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: money is pick aside, very tribal, go left, MSNBC, go 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: write Fox News. That's why CNN has really struggled that 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: you can't be middle ground. You got to go crazy 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: town one direction. You have to go tribal one direction. 26 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: But I find what I find interesting about the criticisms 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: of Los Angeles. I have kids that live in Redondo Beach, 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: Santa Monica, Silver Lake. I have friends everywhere and Sino East, 29 00:01:54,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, Torrance, Palos Verde, Long Beach, couple of people 30 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: Long Beach on my staff. What Los Angeles and California. 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: The perception outside of Los Angeles in California is like 32 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: nothing I've ever seen in my life. I've never had 33 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: a single person in eight years that I know that 34 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: has been robbed, carjacked, a victim of a crime of note. 35 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: But when I watch the constant haranguing by cable news 36 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: about this city and listen, I know I probably live 37 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: in a nice neighborhood and Colin, you're out of touch. 38 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: But lots of people in Los Angeles live in nice neighborhoods. 39 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of neighborhoods. It's the only city I've 40 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: ever lived in that has three forecasts on the weather, beach, city, 41 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: and desert. It's a vast county. I think Los Angeles 42 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: County could be wrong. Here as nine ten million people. 43 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: And then you know, people will talk about, well, there's 44 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: a lot of people migrating out of Los Angeles and California. 45 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: To that, I say, yes, it is the tech epicenter 46 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: of the world. It's increasingly very expensive. If you don't 47 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: live out west, you do not know how expensive San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, 48 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: even smaller towns Bend, Oregon, Boise, Idaho. Scottsdale's not a 49 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: small town. It's expensive out west. And if you live 50 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: out east, you know. For years there was big money 51 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: because of Wall Street in New York, but four hours 52 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: surrounding New York, small towns, tiny towns in Maine, Rhode Island, 53 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: Connecticut were although also highly affluent. I remember one of 54 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: the first things I noticed when I moved back east 55 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: for ten years, how much money there was in these 56 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: random small towns in the Northeast. It was all driven 57 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: by Wall Street and hedge funds. You'd go into a 58 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: tiny rural town and they have these boutiques with four 59 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: hundred dollars women's blocks, Like, who's buying this style. I'm 60 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: from Washington State. You go rural and it's overalls, it's farmland. 61 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: So enjoy the US Open at the beautiful La Country Club. 62 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 2: Despite what you hear is a it's a fascinating city 63 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: with thirty one music venues, eight pro teams, tolerant, wonderful people, 64 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 2: a thriving economy. You know, our traffic can be a 65 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: pain in the ass, but so is Atlantas, so is DC's, 66 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: so is San Francisco. In Dallas and Philadelphia. I just 67 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: I love the US Open. I can't wait to watch. 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: It's you know, four or five miles from my house. 69 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: But maybe I'm being too prickly and defensive for living 70 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. But I also, as many of you know, 71 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: love Chicago. In Chicago, go in the South Side. You know, unfortunately, 72 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: there are some violence, and there has been for a 73 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: long long time. Chicago and Los Angeles are my two 74 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: favorite cities in the country. I just love the diversity 75 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: of architecture in Chicago. I love the river, the bridges, 76 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 2: the people, the food, the cultures. So enjoy watching the 77 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: US Open at the La Country Club. I am not 78 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: a member. They would not have me as a member. 79 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: It's a very est LA Country Club is known for 80 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: having business people, no celebrities, no semi celebrities, judges. It's 81 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: very old school. But I can't wait to watch it. 82 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna bring in my buddy John Middlecoff 83 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: Three and Out podcast, former NFL scout on the Volume 84 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: Sports Network also hosts Go Low, our golf podcast US 85 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: Open in Los Angeles. Everybody here's fire up. Everybody I 86 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: know is going except me because I'm doing a podcast. 87 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: All right, John, I want to start with something. In 88 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours. I do kind of a 89 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: pre camp standings, and we're through the draft, coaching, free 90 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: agency OTAs. And my only woe was I put Miami 91 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: in first in Buffalo and second. And I had two 92 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: reasons for it. I think Vic Fangio is the most 93 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: underrated coach assistant in the league. I think he's a 94 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: great defensive coordinator. Between he and Jalen Ramsey, I think 95 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: their defense is going to be a handful. Secondly, I 96 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: like the momentum of Mike McDaniel and Tua. I think 97 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: they get better and better and better. I watched them 98 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: out coach Sean McDermott two of the three games last 99 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: year clearly and arguably three of the three games. And 100 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: also the Stefan Diggs story. Something's amiss. Five years in, 101 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: they can't solve the offensive line. They've added more defensive 102 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: linemen at all over gotten extension. I'm not anti defensive 103 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: coach Pete Carroll, Tomlin Belichick obviously very capable. Where what 104 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: do you make of the Stefan Diggs A lot of 105 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: the Instagram stuff, it just for that stuff to go public. 106 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: What did you make of it? 107 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: Well, you know he's had issues before. You know, he 108 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: was he's a winning diva. You know, he won in Minnesota, 109 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: was a very productive player, and they're good teams. But 110 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: he was a lot for them, and they got rid 111 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: of them, and they made one of the great trades 112 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: in recent memory, essentially straight up for a draft pick 113 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: that turned right into Justin Jefferson, right. So it was 114 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: a pretty seamless transition for them, and Digs has been 115 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: excellent for the Bills. I heard you, I think yesterday 116 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: or two days ago, kind of on the Sean McDermott experience, 117 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about it over the last twenty 118 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: four hours, I think a lot of times, and the 119 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: works for offensive coaches too, And now Shawn's technically the 120 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. You are your success is very predicated on 121 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: the other side of the all who you hire, So 122 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: just look at some of the offensive coaches right when 123 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: did Andy Reid? Obviously Mahomes was a big element of 124 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: this got rid of I think Bob Sutton was the 125 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Spagnola last five years, three super bowls in 126 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: their defense has been dramatically. 127 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: Better with often young players. 128 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan back to back defensive coordinators become head coaches. 129 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: They've been awesome. And now he hires Steve Wilkes. Everyone's 130 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: really high on Sean McVay. Excellent defensive coordinators, So you 131 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: need help on that side of the ball. When were 132 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: the Bills really good for that three or four year stretch? 133 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: Brian Dball turns out he's a star. Maybe Ken Dorsey, 134 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna there's gonna be a lot of 135 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: pressure on him because they got a little loosey goosey 136 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: last year with Josh Allen, who just is kind of 137 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: a loosey goosey player. His talent is just so elite 138 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: right now. The thing with the team building, and I 139 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: know you talked about the offensive line with the Bills. 140 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: Their GM has a lot of juice Brandon Bean, you know, 141 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: and they have invested heavily in the defensive line, which 142 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: no one really like. That's a smart thing to do, 143 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: but it's like, have they hit on the right guys. 144 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: I like von Miller fifty five million dollars for a 145 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: guy thirty three years old. It's a it was a 146 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: lot of money, Yes it was. It was a lot 147 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: of money, and he was having a really good season 148 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: last year. But what happened he got hurt. You know, 149 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: older guys. You saw JJ Watt a couple of years ago. Again, 150 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: elite guy, champion. It's hard to overpay those guys. John. 151 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: I didn't like the von Miller deal. I thought the Rams, 152 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: much like the Chiefs did with Juju Smith Schuster, incentive 153 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 2: laden deal comes in hits. Patriots overpay. I thought Von 154 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: Miller for the Rams was a home run. I think 155 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: Buffalo overpaid. I think at his age and injury history, 156 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: it was a mistake. 157 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when you're giving the you know, astronomical deals, 158 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: when you're a championship level team, they got to be year. Guys, 159 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: when you go shopping in free agency, you just you 160 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: pay what a twenty thirty percent premium just on the 161 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: fact that you're bidding against other teams, the prices go up. 162 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: So I think they regrets that one, but I do 163 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: think their success. You know, Sean mcdermy has proven to 164 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: be a good defensive coordinator when he was with the 165 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers and Ron Rivera, like, he knows what he's 166 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: doing to coach the defense. So let's just say their 167 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: defense a little bit better. What if their offense, like 168 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: what if Ken Dorsey? I mean, for every cow Shanahan 169 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: and Sean McVay, there are a lot offensive coordinators that 170 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: turn out to not be that good. So that would 171 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: be my biggest concern if I was a Bills fan. 172 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: The thing with the Dolphins, though Colin doesn't the quarterback 173 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: concern you. I mean, you're cushing away from like missing 174 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: the season. 175 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, two has put on about fifteen pounds. 176 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: You can see it in practice in the Ota like 177 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: he got thick. He did a Jalen hurtz Lamar did 178 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: it two years ago. You're like, he's got traps, he's 179 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: got he got thick. So two has kind of come 180 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: to terms with you can't. You can't play light at 181 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: that position. You can in college when you have Bama's 182 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: offensive line, you can't in the NFL. You got to 183 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: put putting on. You got to put weight on. 184 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: You got to hit the ground too. When shit hits 185 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: the fan. You can't try to be a hero. He's 186 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: not big enough or fast enough to do that. 187 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: So I've said if he plays fifteen games, I do 188 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: think Jaalen Ramsey Vic Fangio. I think if you look 189 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: at Shanahan's system with Matt Ryan, it's in year two 190 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: that a quarterback. It's complicated that a quarterback really hits 191 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: it with Shanahan. Often it's been year two. I think 192 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: year two McDaniel and Tua. I think the division's really good. 193 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: If DeAndre Hopkins signed with New England, I think that's 194 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: that's like substantial. But I have the same quarterback worries. 195 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: I just don't like the way Buffalo's trending. And the 196 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: other thing is with Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. I 197 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: know Aaron's going to be fine, and I think he's 198 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: using He's smart, he knows the narrative on in Green 199 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: Bay was his buddies were the old guys Bachtiari and Cobb. 200 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: He didn't work with young guys. So in New York 201 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 2: he's made a point to put his arms around the 202 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 2: young guy. I love these young players. He's smart, he 203 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: sees It's like I've said before, when you get divorced 204 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: and remarried, you're like, what was I really bad? 205 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: Okay? 206 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: I got to get better at dealing with kids. I 207 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: get to get better with money. Like you know what 208 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: you're bad at, you correct it. He's he's course corrected 209 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: on the young guys, but it's still a shaky O line. 210 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 2: The wide receiving corps. Alan Lazard's more of a three. 211 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson's young I steal. I don't think they. I 212 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: think most of their talents and the defensive front and 213 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: in corner. Uh so, I if I said to you, so, 214 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: Miami's my woe pick. I think Carolina has a chance 215 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: to win their division, mostly because it's a bad division. 216 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: Is there a woe pick for you at this point? 217 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: A division that I would go, Man, I didn't see 218 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: that coming. 219 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: Well, I guess you could see it coming. But everyone's 220 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: going to pick the Bengals. I do think the Steelers 221 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: were really coming on at the end of the year 222 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: last year. We know how well they draft, we know 223 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: how much talent they have on their team. You know TJ. 224 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: Watt remember missed a lot of last season. He's yes 225 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot like Nick Bosa that if he's playing seventeen games, 226 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: he's getting you closer to twenty sacks and dominating every 227 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: game he plays. 228 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: In good point. 229 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: Their culture, you know their quarterback. I'm not a huge like. 230 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't really like those type players because I think 231 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: their ceilings pretty low. But physically you get to go 232 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: to a place that's just kind of equipped with a 233 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: running back, weapons, a defense. He's an older, younger player. 234 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not out of the realm possibility they 235 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: win twelve or thirteen games, right, if they maximize and 236 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: stay healthy and they're in that division. No one's intimidated, 237 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: especially Baltimore and Pittsburgh by the Cincinnati Bengals, right, even 238 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: though the Bengals have been beating them, but they will 239 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: view of healthy that they should win the division. So 240 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: I'd say the Steelers are a team that I might 241 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: lean to pick. I'm definitely gonna pick to make the playoffs, 242 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: but to potentially win the North Well and the other thing. 243 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 2: Very much like New England defensive culture, defensive coach, they 244 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: get a Mac Jones, a Kenny Pickett lower ceiling. But 245 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: if you kind of look at what Belichick, Brady was 246 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: viewed as a lower ceiling. 247 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: Guy or I got better over time, yep. 248 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: And so the truth is Belichick, Belichick doesn't want Lamar 249 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: Jackson running out of his plays either, just Shanahan either. 250 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: Just you know, Tomlin sometimes was frustrated with big bends, 251 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: you know, ad libbing, kind of refusal to audible in 252 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: and out of trouble. And so I kind of look 253 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: at Kenny Picken and I'm like, Okay, I don't love him. 254 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: His ceiling may be seven and a half. But you know, 255 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: with Tomlin's defense, with a culture that can win a division, 256 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: it really can. 257 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And listen, I think coaches, you talk to these 258 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: guys gms, every year is a new year. So the momentum, 259 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: especially when you miss the playoffs, doesn't carry over. But 260 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: that is an organization who standards so high and they're 261 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: so used to like ending on success will carry over. 262 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of these guys, I think 263 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: The Saints are another team. You know, I know you've 264 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: always been a supporter of Derek and I've known him 265 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: since Fresno State. I think for the first time in 266 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: his career he was really kind of told like essentially, 267 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: you suck get out here. Yeah, you know, like you're 268 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: not good enough to play here. They've left, he left 269 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: the building the last couple of weeks. That's a team 270 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: that what's crazy is that the end of the Sean 271 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: Payton era in New Orleans, they had a really good 272 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: defense and they still have a lot of physical pieces. 273 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: They've made a physical team. Yeah, then Drew's career kind 274 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: of ends, and obviously they go into this court. They 275 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback. Derek does not have to be 276 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes. If he can just play 277 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: like the tenth eleventh best quarterback in you know, the NFL, 278 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: they could, especially Winni factor in their division their strength 279 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: to schedule, Like why couldn't they win ten eleven games. 280 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: June is championship month in sports, NHL playoffs, NBA Finals. 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The redeem code 290 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: is coln Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed at game Time. 291 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting you you touched on Sean Payton. 292 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: I want to dive a little bit into Denver here, 293 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: so I thought it probably more the best guest I've 294 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: ever had on my show, Reeaca Caring as Sean Payton. 295 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: I did him Mondays fifteen times last year. Sewan and 296 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: I would talk five minutes before he went on, twenty minutes, 297 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: twenty five when he was on five. After I learned 298 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: so much, went to dinner a couple of times. I 299 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: learned so much from Sean Payton. I could tell after 300 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: about four or five meetings with him, there's no way 301 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: he was going to stay out of the league. He 302 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: just he's so curious. He's such a good storyteller. He's 303 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: so he's just he's like intellectually twitchy, like he needs 304 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: to work right. He can only golf so much. You've 305 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: met guys like this. 306 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: He's too good of a coach to not be coaching, 307 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: that's right. 308 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: And he didn't have the burnout yet of a Jimmy 309 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: Johnson who could have coached for years more. But Jimmy 310 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: was burnt out, and Sean, unlike Jimmy. Maybe it has 311 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: a good social life. I mean, Sean's gonna go rip 312 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: it up and have a good time, beautiful young wife 313 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: like Sean gets away from the sport. But I watched 314 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: Denver and seven of the base eight best offensive lines 315 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: according to PFF last year were offensive head coach Hardbaugh 316 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: and seven offensive head coaches. They figure out the O line. 317 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: It wasn't lost on me that he goes out and 318 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: gets Mike mcglinchy right tackle, Ben Powers at guard. They 319 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 2: already have. They have Garrett Bowles coming back, who's their 320 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: best onlignement, and they do have an interior guard they 321 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 2: like on the roster. And so I think we're going 322 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: to see a significant upgrade on their O line. And 323 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: Sean told me a couple of times off the air 324 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: and on with Russell Wilson. He said he's got to 325 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: go back to leaning into what he does, and that 326 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: is basketball on grass. He's got to move, that's what 327 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: he is. What do you in vision? Because I think 328 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: they're going to take a big leap, What are you 329 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 2: in vision with them? 330 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: I didn't love the O Lineman signings for the price point, 331 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: but ultimately mcglinchy's a good example, like do you love 332 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: buying a house at the peak of the market. Sometimes 333 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: not ideally, but he need somewhere to live, right, So 334 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: do I want to pay fifty million dollars for McGlinchey. No, 335 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: but who's going to play right tackle? And it's not 336 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: like he's coming from the worst team in the league. 337 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: He's been a five year starter on the forty nine ers, 338 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: So it's listen. Maybe I'm too close to the sun. 339 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: I've seen him, but he's he has a starts every 340 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: game for you at a very very critical condition. I'm 341 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: with you. I mean, what made Russell Wilson so special? 342 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: And I've seen him live several times in his heyday, 343 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: he was just a magician. He kind of had this 344 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: Steve Young flair. Obviously, the deep ball, and he looked 345 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: like a shell of himself. And you know, I think 346 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: most of us, if you're going to be bullish on 347 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: his comeback, he'd be like, well, Nate Hackett dysfunction. And 348 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: then if you were going to be bearish on the situation, 349 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: we'd be like, well, he's a lot of miles on 350 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: those tires right running around. You can't play like that forever. 351 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: He's probably him and Aaron Rodgers are probably the two 352 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: most fascinating situations this year for just high level Hall 353 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: of Fame level guys in new scenarios. Obviously Russell's been 354 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: there a year, but now gets Sean Payton no longer 355 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: he's in charge. I think some of the stuff was overblown, 356 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: Like Peyton Manning had a office at the facility right 357 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: in Indian Denver. No one cares about that stuff when 358 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: you're winning. It just gets weird when you're not. Now, 359 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: Peyton like Tom are just better dealing with guys one 360 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: on one. Like, I don't know if that's something you change. 361 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean some of the question marks with Russell just 362 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: being a little different. You know, that's that's not something 363 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: you usually flip a switch at it. Thirty two thirty 364 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: three years old. Like, I'm pretty confident Sean Paige. You 365 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: talk to people in the NFL that he's viewed as 366 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: one of the best offensive minds and just schemers of 367 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: his generation. So offensively like the scheme, He's going to 368 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: figure it out. It's just can Russell. Is he still 369 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: the athlete? And if his athleticism is let's say it 370 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: was once a hundred percent, is now seventy percent not 371 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: eighty eight percent, that's a big problem for a smaller 372 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: player who's not ever going to play like a Brady 373 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 1: or Manning in the pocket. 374 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: Right. You know, it was interesting. I started thinking, why 375 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: wouldn't Russell run last year? Because it was really abrupt, 376 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: like he wouldn't move movement, wouldn't And I did wonder 377 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 2: this is that Russell wanted to be viewed as a 378 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: pocket passer because he wanted to be viewed as an 379 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 2: all time great. And Brady was winning Super Bowls and 380 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 2: it was this and Lamar Jackson was new in the league. 381 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: Lamar was running around, and I had this thought that 382 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 2: Russell watched all of this and thought, I'm not going 383 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: to be Lamar. I'm not going to be Kyler Murray 384 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: I'm not those guys. I want to establish my guy 385 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 2: myself as a pocket guy, because it was almost as 386 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 2: if he was stubborn, not moving. If you watch their games, 387 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: when he moved, he moved the chains. He's not a 388 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: great pocket passer. Jalen Hurts isn't yet a great pocket passer. 389 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 2: Lamar's better than people think. He's not Burrow, and I 390 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: thought it was almost one of those where Sean Payton 391 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: said this to me, he goes, I got to convince Russell, 392 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: let's go back to basketball on grass. I think Russell 393 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: can move. I think Russell made a decision he did 394 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: not want to be branded is run around guy because 395 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: Kyler had come in and was a little quicker, Lamar 396 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: was faster, Josh Allen was leaping over people, and Russell 397 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: was thinking, I don't want to be the seventh best 398 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: running quarterback in this league. That was my interpretation because 399 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: when I watched, I'd think, Russell, every time you run 400 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: in these games, twice a game, you pick up a 401 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: first down run. He's still very elusive. So sometimes, you know, 402 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: people have told me this before in my career. Sportscasters 403 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: like lean into what you are. You know, if you're 404 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 2: a storyteller, be a storyteller. If you're funny, be funny. 405 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: If you're a great journalist, lean into it. I think 406 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: Russell needs to lean back into Russell. So I want 407 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: to go from there to a team you know very well, 408 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. I think it's impossible to yank 409 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: a player that went eight to zero is the starting quarterback. 410 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: I don't think, yeah, so what is what. 411 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: Is not happening? So it doesn't you know? 412 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: They what do you do with Trey Lambs. 413 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: Well, I actually think he can earn a lot of 414 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: creditibility back, and I think he has a little bit 415 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: in the OTA's But this fall, if he just beat 416 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: Sam Darnald out, like he went from the number three 417 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: pick in the draft and traded for three first round 418 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: picks to two years later, not the starting quarterback because 419 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: mister irrelevant is and competing with Sam Donald who's playing 420 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: for three million dollars to be the backup quarterback. So 421 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot on the line come August. 422 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: Right in training camp, they have some joint practices the 423 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: preseason games. My take is, though, I just the forty 424 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: nine ers thought that they could have their cake and 425 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: eat it too and develop this player, and they realized 426 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: he needed so much work and he got hurt that 427 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: they were just a ready made machine. It's why they 428 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: always kind of went back to Jimmy Garoppolo. And then 429 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: when they just they didn't luck into Barrock party because 430 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: they he made the team last year at a training camp. 431 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: Like they what he did in training camp, Kyle kind 432 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: of fell in love with They really liked him. Now 433 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: they didn't think he was in it end up being 434 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: a starting quarterback, but through injuries, his play through whatever, 435 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: the end of the season and then those couple of 436 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: playoff games before. I guess the Dallas game was hard. 437 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: I mean their defense was playing really well. The Eagle 438 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: game didn't even happen. That he was a more explosive 439 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: player than Jimmy Garoppolo. And we know the weapons they have, 440 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: right and I think now that they have Christian McCaffrey, 441 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: they just go, we don't need because I'm not asking 442 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: you to play like Patrick Mahomes. We run the ball 443 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: a lot, we throw a lot of quick screens, we 444 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: throw a lot of wheel routes. We are not bombs 445 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: away like the Buffalo Bills or the Bengals that's not 446 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: the way we play. So we just need a guy 447 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: to be very, very accurate basically in like the ten 448 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: yard window, passed the line of scrimmage right, and perty 449 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: was awesome at that. Of course he was. He's been 450 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: a four year starter at Iowa State. He's a multiple 451 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: All Big twelve guy. He had a lot of experience, 452 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: very confident, and it's just an accurate player. I mean, 453 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: that's his strength and that's not Trey's strength. And you know, 454 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: the Bills several years ago were like, screw it, we're 455 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: gonna figure it out with Josh Allen and learn through it. 456 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: And they weren't even close to being a super Bowl 457 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: contender at the time he started when he got there. 458 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: That's the opposite with the forty nine er. You could 459 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: argue it would have been an easier landing spot if 460 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: he just went to a shitty team and just got 461 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: to screw up on the fly and figure it out. 462 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: That was I think the forty nine ers thought the opposite, 463 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: and then once they got it, they're like, yeah, we can't. 464 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: And the players last year were kind of grumbling because 465 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: they're thinking, we can't win ten games if this guy's 466 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: not accurate. Right, we can't figure it out on the fly. 467 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: We're twenty five to twenty eight year old guys in 468 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: our prime right to roll. And yeah, I mean if 469 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't win the backup job. They do have the 470 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: three quarterback rule. You know, they change it. Technically they 471 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: keep them, but to me, it's not out of the 472 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: realm possibility. They just maybe trade them at the end 473 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: of training camp if Sam Donold like beats him out right, 474 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: because what you can't have a guy nine million dollars 475 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: being your third you know. 476 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: You get can you get a fourth round pick for him? 477 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: I think it depends how he plays in training camp 478 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: right now. You could not. Now if he looks good 479 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: in training camp and Sam's just better. They have a 480 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: joint practice with the Raiders Jimmy Garoppolo, they're baking on 481 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: him being healthy. I mean he can't. He can't pass 482 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: a physical in June for the second time in two years. 483 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: So I mean that that could be a disaster. What 484 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: if he's good against the Raiders Mark Davis Vegas Knights Champion, Like, 485 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: you can't just be irrelevant in Vegas. They don't have it. 486 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: And if Jimmy is injured, I mean that they'd bet 487 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer would We wouldn't just trade a fourth to 488 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: just see what you got to take your chances because 489 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: there's some pressure on just being relevant if you're the Raiders. 490 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: So I think there would be a couple teams if 491 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: he shows signs of life. If he doesn't, h Yeah, 492 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: his value is very very small because he makes he's 493 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: a third overall pick. He makes some cash. 494 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: Right, I just saw this. There was a rumor the 495 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 2: Patriots tried to trade for Rogers and he blocked it. 496 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: Do you believe that rumor? 497 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: Uh? I would bet Bill sniffed around because he was 498 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: obviously pretty down on mac Jones over the last twelve months. 499 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: The Patriots don't have any offensive weapons. It's not really 500 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: an enjoyable place to go once it's not guaranteed you're 501 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: gonna win. I mean one of the reasons guys were 502 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: taking pay cuts because you were guaranteed at minimum to 503 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: go to the AFC Championship Game and like an eighty 504 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: percent chance you were going to the Super Bowl. So 505 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: once it's like, well we might win nine games, like, yeah, 506 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: I'm not playing for that curmudgeon. Right, You've been on 507 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,479 Speaker 1: this forever and listen I think Bill's an awesome I mean, 508 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: he's an all time great coach any sport, any era, 509 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: at anytime. But the offensive game last year was an 510 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: embarrassment to go with Patricia Right and Joe Judge. I 511 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: mean that situation that's beyond like arrogance or whatever. That's 512 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: just crazy. I mean it was universally like this is insane. Again, 513 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: not a Mac Jones guy. I do understand if I'm 514 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: Mac Jones, like what he's been at Alabama. He knows 515 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: what normal looks like, and that ain't normal. 516 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: You know what it's I often use sports to guy 517 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: me through some of my business stuff. And you know, 518 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: like I watched Greg Popovich refuse to embrace the three pointer. 519 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 2: I watch Bill Belichick refuse to pivot unlike Saban to 520 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: a more offensive quarterback friendly team. And it is interesting 521 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 2: in the business books that I prouse over the course 522 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: of a year. I like business. I always have. Not 523 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: necessarily a business person, but I enjoy reading about the 524 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: structure of it, the architecture of businesses, and the ascension 525 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 2: of a business, especially since I created the volume and 526 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: almost too a business. The successful companies that fail, people 527 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: don't get dumb. They just get arrogant, and they start 528 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: believing John in the culture more than talent. You know, 529 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: Mike Krzyzewski got very precious on the one and done. 530 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: Remember for years, Duke would not hang your jersey unless 531 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: you graduated. And then, you know, Mike finally said that 532 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: all these one and done guys, they're all beating me. 533 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: So Mike was like, okay, I'm pivoting. Saban pivoted when 534 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: he got laying Kiffen on the staff. That program first 535 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: seven years was built on linebackers, safe these corners. Then 536 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: they went all in on five star wide receivers and 537 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: quarterbacks and left tackles. Is that when I look at 538 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, he didn't get dumb. But when you fall 539 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: in love with your culture. I remember when I started 540 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: the volume I talked to I emailed a couple of 541 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: different people, successful business guys, and almost three people, a 542 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: woman and two men, and very successful people, and they 543 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: all said the exact same thing. Separately. I said, give 544 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: me one piece of sage advice, and they all said, 545 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: be willing to pivot, don't fall in love with your 546 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: ideas of your culture. Whatever works, double down, what doesn't 547 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: get off it immediately? And when I watched The Patriot. 548 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a former scout, you have people in 549 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: the building. That's why I think DeAndre Hopkins is sort 550 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: of an acknowledgment in Juju Smith Schuster. Hey, I got 551 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: to get this right, Like I fed up last year. 552 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: That's what d Hot feels like to me. Well, I 553 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: think there's some tangible pressure. I mean there's always been 554 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: rumors in NFL circles. 555 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Bill doesn't exactly treat the Craft family normal like coach ownership, hierarchy, 556 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: maybe an equal or maybe in some instances even above. Yeah, 557 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: that's that works. When you're going fourteen and two every year, right, 558 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: and winning the Super Bowl every other season, and winning 559 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: six and whatever seventeen years and going to ten AFC 560 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: championship games. It's a different story when you're struggling to 561 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: make the seventh wild card, right, and when you do, 562 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: you lose by seventy five points to the Bills, or 563 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: you don't make the playoffs, and you look around and 564 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: you start making moves like that. I was also thinking 565 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: about I wonder, you know, the older you get, especially 566 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: some of these coaches or even business people in their seventies, 567 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: it's probably harder if you kind of lean negative, and 568 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: Bill can be a little negative cur muchis think about 569 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: some of the successful guys right now, Andy Reid mid sixties, 570 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of happy, right, Pete Carroll a little more positive. 571 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: There's something to just be positive every day. It's a 572 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: little harder because now we're several years removed from Tom Brady. 573 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: A lot of the guys that were around Tom, Edelman, mccordy, 574 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: they're gone. So these guys don't know what twenty sixteen 575 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: was like. That doesn't mean anything to a lot of 576 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: the guys on the Patriots, right. And then you got 577 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: this coach who just is a hard ass every day 578 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: driving you through one thing. With Nick Saban, they're just 579 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: there's a churn in college and he hasn't had the lows. 580 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean his low is like eleven wins, losing in 581 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: the SEC championship game, right or something. You know, Bill, 582 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: last couple of years for their standards, there's a it's 583 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: like a Grand Canyon wide gap. And I don't think 584 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: he just not that he's not an optim mystic. Obviously 585 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing, but he's tough man to 586 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: be around on a daily basis. The negativity people handled 587 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: it because they also don't pay as much in terms 588 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: of coaches assistant coaches historically. You know, they try to 589 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: be cheap with the players historically. And it's like it's 590 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: one thing when you're winning, just like in any industry, 591 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: if you're going to be part of a lot of 592 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: success and you're eventually going to benefit on the back end, 593 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: you're like, I can handle this, right, I can handle 594 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: this crime. But when it's not working, like what am 595 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: I doing this for? You start looking at yourself in 596 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: the mirror and a lot of people turn on you. 597 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to pivot US Open. In Los Angeles, 598 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: John hosts our golf podcast, Golo Podcast, Cool Merch. John 599 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: is his real passion. He just happens to be great 600 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 2: at football. His real passion is golf, and you can 601 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 2: tell when you listen to him. So I'm going to 602 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: lean into you on this. There are certain courses that 603 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: benefit certain players. So in the when I think of 604 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 2: US Open, I think of the rough as deeper. This 605 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: is the American Championship. You're going to have to earn it. 606 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: Are there players? When you look at the US Open, 607 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: give me a couple of guys who are built to 608 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: win an. 609 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: Open well kepka is. I mean you typically it's really 610 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: really hard. Based on Thursday, it was relatively easy. Now 611 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: they can trick it up really quick. You know, they 612 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: cannot water greens. They can they have the ability to 613 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: grow grass at rapid rates. I mean the rough can 614 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: you know change quickly. You saw Ricky Fowler. One thing 615 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: is and I haven't played much golf. I haven't played 616 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: any golf in Florida. There's a huge difference in the 617 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: way grass your club received. At the highest level. I 618 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: mean me, you the average guy, even if they're shooting 619 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: in the seventies, can't tell. But at the pro level. 620 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: It's why California guys typically have success on the California Swing, 621 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: Pebble Beach, Tory Pines. This today. Ricky Fowler, Xander Schoffley 622 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: born and raised in southern California. Last before we hopped on, 623 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson was like fourteen holes. He was three under par. 624 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: California guy still lives out here, so you're very comfortable 625 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: with the grass. Now, this isn't your typical where if 626 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: you're off the fairway, you're dead. They've never played this 627 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 1: course before. You see Zillo, the toy, the Spelling mansion 628 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: is on whole fourteen. It's it's for sale right now 629 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: for one hundred and fifty five million dollars, So the 630 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: monthly payment is close to a million dollars. The monthly 631 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: taxes are like one hundred and twenty grand. But this 632 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: this is somewhat of a unique venue because they've never 633 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: been here and they might never come back. But I 634 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: think typically it's it's guys that are smart. There is 635 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: a kind of like a belichicker in it. You've got 636 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 1: to have strategy. Tiger was the greatest strategist ever. Phil 637 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: could be a little loosey goosey. It's why he's never 638 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: won a US Open and blown it a couple times. 639 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: I think Koepka, you know, it's weird. He looks like 640 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: a football player something, but he's actually a pretty boring golfer. 641 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: Hits a lot of fairways, hits a lot of greens, 642 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: doesn't screw up. It's why he wins these big tournament's. 643 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: Rory one of the knocks on him for being one 644 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: of the most talented guys ever, a little phillish, not 645 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: always the greatest decisions. You know, the talents there, and 646 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: I think US Opens historically, We'll see how this thing 647 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: plays out. It usually kills you when you make a 648 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: bad one hole, can ruin your tournament right this, you know, 649 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: you're down there right now. It looked a little overcast today, 650 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: so the sun's not baking, which maybe actually can lead 651 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: to softer courses. Usually when that sun, you know, bakes, 652 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: hardens out the fairways, hardens out the green. But these guys, 653 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: these superintendents, these people that run these courses now, especially 654 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: in a place like that, that they will not like 655 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: these low scores. They're gonna want to They're gonna wanna 656 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: humble these guys, you know, eighty five bears style the 657 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: next couple days. So it'll be very fascinating Friday Saturday 658 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: if they if they try to hit them in the 659 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: teeth with them curveballs. 660 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: So the players that didn't defect to the live tour, 661 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: you know, like Rory McElroy. My take was always that 662 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: Phil Mickelson complained for years, as did Greg Norman, about 663 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 2: the treatment of star players every other entertainment business, NBA, music, Sony, 664 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: movie studios. You take care of your stars golf team, 665 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: So you know, it wasn't a shock when Phil bolted 666 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 2: to a live to or if I would have guessed 667 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: who would have bolted, I would have said Greg Norman's 668 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: gonna run it, Phil's gonna bolt. But for the players 669 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 2: that didn't defect going forward, what do you think is 670 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 2: reasonable compensation to show up because you have to take 671 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: care of some of these guys, especially now that the 672 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: PGA scolded golfers that departed and defected and now took 673 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: the money. 674 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's weird. A lot of the reaction over 675 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: the last ten days has been those guys got screwed. 676 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't think the top end guys regret making their decision. 677 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: You know, Roy McElroy, John Rahm, Jordan Spieth, these guys 678 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: were worth nine figures, so the money at their level, 679 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: not that it wouldn't have Justin Johnson likes his life, 680 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: but Dustin Johnson was kind of over Keopka didn't play 681 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: that much beside the majors and care ever, So what 682 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: I think is going to be fascinating is that it 683 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: was not sustainable the way it was going. Right. It's 684 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: a little like the NBA. You know, ten to fifteen players. 685 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: We talk a lot about like the top ten players, 686 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: it's really the top three or four to carry the league. 687 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: Right in golf, it's always been the top three or 688 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: four guys in any era that carry the sport, and 689 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: then you create stars by the next seven to twenty 690 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: guys when they battle those guys, and if you ever 691 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: beat them, you become a star. Like Jokic, how did 692 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: he become a star sorta knocking off the top guys 693 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: and now we view him as an equal. But without 694 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: his ability to beat those top guys, we wouldn't quite 695 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: know how to gauge it. So the splintering of golf, 696 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: which is much more niche than our team sports in America, 697 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: it was never going to work. And they're going up 698 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: against an entity with unlimited money. So I have a 699 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: buddy that works in Wall Street that text me. He's like, 700 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: you know that the Saudi's have like sixteen trillion in 701 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: untapped oil. I mean there are wealth is unlimited and golf. 702 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: I think they overextended themselves to try to compete against 703 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: because there they were going to their sponsors, who are 704 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: some of the biggest companies in America, asking them to 705 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: double down, and the guy's like, well, you're not producing 706 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: double the why would I give you double the amount? 707 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm already giving you, which is a lot of money. 708 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't adding up, so the merger and as you 709 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: see Jay Monahan, I don't know if you saw the 710 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: headline last twenty four hours, but he took a leave 711 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: of absence probably I mean stress you know, this is 712 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: something I think that was There are so many variables 713 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: on this, but ultimately I don't know, like what are 714 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: you just going to put everyone on salary which might 715 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: be which might happen now that they're no longer in 716 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: a I think it's called a five oh one CE 717 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: for tax benefits, which they're not going to do anymore. 718 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: And they haven't been able to just put Tiger Phil Rory, 719 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, pay him like I don't know, Steph for 720 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: Lebron or Aaron Judges, pay him thirty thirty five million 721 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: dollars a year and then whatever else you win. And 722 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: that's the Saudi's had the ability to do. But I 723 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: also think some of those guys, like the thing with golf, 724 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: to have a legit tournament, you have to have access 725 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: to the courses, and the Sadis were never going to 726 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 1: have access to any good course because of the country 727 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: clubs were all in a weird way integrated with the 728 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,720 Speaker 1: money guys, and they didn't want, they don't need the Sadis. 729 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: And then the public courses, the PGA Tour, the Pebble 730 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: Beaches you go around the country are in business with 731 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, So everyone was kind of incentivized in 732 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: a weird way. I think the great mistake, though, was 733 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: you know that, and you hammered this, and anyone with 734 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: a brain that the disingenuous moral high horse win. Ultimately 735 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: you kind of know where it's going to end up. 736 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just a terrible look using the nine 737 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 2: to eleven families as ponds. 738 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: I mean, the. 739 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia Fund has major stakes in Uber and Boeing. 740 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 2: So if you've ever taken Uber or ever get in 741 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 2: a plane in America, you are helping the Saudis. 742 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: You are are are we allies as a government with 743 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: the Saudi Arabia verse. 744 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 2: I think they're one of our largest trade partners. The 745 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 2: top thirty corporations in America, over half are in business. 746 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 2: So I think it was an overreach using the nine 747 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 2: to eleven families. If you're stating that Phil Mickelson and 748 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: Dustin Johnson and Brooks Koepka are heartless, soulless people who 749 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: don't care about nine to eleven. Then you're also saying 750 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: Boeing is uber is, our government is can't drink a 751 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 2: diet cope forever. I mean, all these major corporations do 752 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 2: major business in the Middle East. So I can be 753 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: two things. I can be crestfallen and deeply disturbed about 754 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 2: what happened on nine to eleven. It is the most 755 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 2: jarring thing I've seen in my life that's happened on 756 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 2: our soil. It's still I've been to the site twice, 757 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 2: I mean really incredibly touching. And I can also understand 758 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 2: with globalization, they're the richest countries. I get it that. 759 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 2: So I mean the first owner of ESPN was Getty Oil. Okay, 760 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 2: so I've worked with a company essentially founded and moneyed, 761 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 2: you know, buy oil money. So I all I know 762 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 2: is this, there's like four golfers in this country, Phil Brooks, 763 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 2: Rory and then Dustin Johnson. If they're competing Sunday, I'm in. 764 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 2: And And now I'd theorize if Tiger was in his prime, 765 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 2: you maybe don't have to e merge. 766 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: And he's an all time outlier you're right. Given the sport, 767 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Jordan's more likely to come again than 768 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: in golf we ever see it Tiger Woods. So it's 769 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: that they it was not sustainable to model. I mean depending, 770 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean, who'd actually knows the truth, but it's pretty 771 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: clear that, you know, some people say they had two 772 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: some people say it was five billion dollars the Saudi 773 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: had put to the side just to fight the PGA 774 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: tour legal battle. Obviously, the PGA Tour can't they couldn't 775 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: probably hit three four hundred million dollars to fight, So 776 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: it was an economic game. Now you could, you could 777 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: be a conspiracy theorist, and ultimately they just started Live 778 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: to try to bleed it out to eventually lead to this. 779 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people theorize that that's 780 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of the case because Live that was basically just 781 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: a pawn. It's crazy. It sounds like, wait, they were 782 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: just giving hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, to them, 783 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: it's just a line on them. That's one hundred dollars 784 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: to me here, thousand dollars to you. Right, It's just 785 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: their money, is not It's hard to put into context 786 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: the amount of money they can throw around and not 787 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: even think twice. And I think the PGA tour was 788 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: finding that out very very quickly. Now you could you 789 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: could you know, push back on j Monahan. This was 790 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of lingering for a while. But if someone comes 791 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: with that type bankroll, there's honestly not much you can do. 792 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think the Live Group or the PGA, 793 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 2: once you go into discovery phase of lawsuits, they don't. 794 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: Want to open their No one, no one wants that. 795 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: No listen for. 796 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 2: Years, Scott Borough said, owners open your books. Owners are like, no, 797 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: thank you faceball owners John Fisher as I'm I'm poverty stricken, 798 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 2: no first opening his books. 799 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: Yea. You ever seen a National Football league going or 800 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: open their books? Not not in a million years. 801 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 2: All right, Golo podcast and three and out. John middle 802 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 2: Coff uh. John Middlecoff one of our bedrock guys at 803 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: the Volume. As always, Buddy, enjoy the golf, great seeing you. 804 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: You enjoy that USC Big ten schedule coming up into 805 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: your column The Volume