WEBVTT - Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 102: Roster Talk: RRH Traded, Will DB Lineup Change When Healthy? 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.160 Welcome to jag xam at Kennannie Stevens, Brad Sexton, John 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:21.680 Osier with me. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.000 We're coming to you from the Grove. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:26.720 Hotel outside Watford in England, north of London. We've got 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.240 a little English tea settled here for you today, John, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:34.519 you brought your own cup though. All right, let's think 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.400 it's a big thing. You got some stuff to talk about. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.520 Team obviously going to be here for the week. They're 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.320 preparing to take on the Patriots at Winboro Stadium on Sunday. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.400 Start up with big Thing number one, which is on 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.920 the move. Overnight trade news coming down as Roy Robertson 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.400 Harris headed to Seattle, a pretty long flight heading from 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.120 London all the way to Seattle for future draft picks 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.960 for this team. Brian A bit of a surprise to 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.040 maybe be doing this in the middle of London week, 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:58.720 but then again, when you're one in five, not much 0:00:58.760 --> 0:00:59.680 of a surprise about anything. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.240 I'm not surprised because Trent Balkey and I had a 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.920 conversation back during training camp and he wanted to see 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.200 Mason Smith on the field. He wanted to see young 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.000 players in the lineup, and Mason's played better the last 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:15.000 couple of weeks and Roy has been okay. And I 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.160 got the distinct impression, you know, from that last night, 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.720 that that's Trent saying it's time to move on and 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.319 get young guys in the lineup, not you know, flushing 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.160 the season and saying we can't turn this thing around 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.880 and win some games, but just deciding I'm gonna win 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.720 with Mason Smith over the long haul more than I'm 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.240 going to win with Roy Robertson Harris. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.920 Yeah. And if you remember, Roy played a lot in 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.120 the fourth quarter of preseason games, which is usually a 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:44.520 sign that they're trying to figure out something on those lines. Look, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.200 he as a second free agent, meaning he signed as 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.640 a free agent for another team. He was on his 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.880 second contract here, gave this team what two or three 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.040 solid years twenty twenty one. They got out from under 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.560 the rest of the contract. So you know, it's I've 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.560 got a lot of emails in the day or so 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.280 since it happened. Is this a fire sale? You know, Look, 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.880 if you continue to be one and whatever, Yeah, at 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:10.440 some point you started looking at those things, But I 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.360 don't think it'll make It has to be a trend 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.320 where all of a sudden everybody's out the door right now. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.560 No, just one memory on Roy as he goes out 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.000 the door. He had a couple of big tackles at 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.640 the end of that Chargers playoff game in twenty twenty 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.880 two that set up the punt that got the ball 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.160 back to the Jaguars were just over two minutes to 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.760 play for that game winning field goal drive. So you know, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.160 he wasn't a superstar. He's not a Pride of the 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.160 Jaguars kind of guy. But he made a couple of 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.000 plays in a very important game, and for that I'm 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:36.679 grateful for that. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:38.959 We'll talk a little bit about what that means for 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:40.840 the defense coming up a little bit later on in 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.720 the show, but we do want to talk second big thing, 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:48.079 roster versus team John. We've talked about this roster coming 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.480 into the season. We felt like individuals spots on the 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.080 roster were good and solid. But this team isn't playing 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.520 well right now. So what's the dynamics of that. When 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.200 we look at maybe positions and feel like things are okay, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.079 but then the team isn't really working out. 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.880 Well, I kind of wonder. Frankly, I think it's a 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.440 good roster. I think there are good players on the roster. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.000 What they haven't shown this year is are there enough 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:16.760 elite players that make big plays and key situations. I 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.800 think there's a lot of guys who are NFL starters. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.720 I don't know or they haven't shown that there are 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.360 guys who make huge plays at the end of games. 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.799 I think Brian Thomas Junior is trending that way. I 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.400 think Trevor Lawrence can be that. I think Josh Allen, 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.880 Trayvon Walker are those guys at times. Do they have 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.240 enough great players on the roster to be better than this? 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.920 Right now? They don't because they're not better than this. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.360 But you know, if you're asking specific spots that can 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.760 be better, clearly this secondary can be better. It has 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.480 been very good yet this year, but it's also been 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.000 beat up. I think you sort of knew that was 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.720 a concern going in, Brian. I've said since day one, 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:56.560 you know where I'm going with it. When there's a 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.880 secondary that's questionable, the front has to be huge. And 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.160 how many times I said during the preseason, if this 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.640 team is going to be great defensively, the front must 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.960 be great defensively. If it's not, it's not gonna be 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:14.280 very good defensively, I'm not sure the entire front has 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:15.120 been good enough yet. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.039 No, it hasn't been as good in the middle, right, 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.760 I mean, which is why they feel comfortable in saying, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.200 all right, well, let's take a six round pick for 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.720 Roy Robertson Harris and move Mason Smith. By the way, 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.919 Jordan Jefferson made a couple of big plays. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:25.560 In the ball game. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.120 He as saying the big meaning, you know, he moved 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:31.599 guys physically from one gap to another in the running 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.800 game and it was impressive to watch. So there's some 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.080 young talent that they think they can get more from. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.800 Get more from John is kind of where I'm at 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.960 right now. I think it's a good roster too. Is 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.080 it the best roster that the Jaguars have ever had? No, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.440 it's clearly not. If it was, it wouldn't be one 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.320 and five. But they can get more from this roster. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.120 I had a long conversation with Bucky Brooks in the 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.360 post game after the post game at Tottenham the other day, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.920 and you know, his enduring thought was, they've got a 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.520 whittle it down to what they can do what they 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.280 do well, and not try to think about how you 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.640 can build on things until you get back to being 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.920 productive and effective with what you do well. And that's 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.320 both sides of the ball, right, whether it's the the 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.120 underneath stuff that worked so well against the Colts and 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.800 getting back to that, or whether it's not rotating as 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.280 much on the defensive side and keeping guys on the 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.920 field more. Because that rotation has been a storyline so 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.320 far through the first six games of the season. It's 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.359 about getting more from the roster from this point forward. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.000 I want to catch the balls too. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.160 Yeah, I did mention that the other day. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.120 I mean it's a thought, clearly. I mean, approach is 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.360 one thing, just making plays when they're there, which seems 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.920 like a refrain. We've gone over and over this year 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.840 as an us to make the darn play well. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.640 And I want to be clear on this. Getting more 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.080 from the roster isn't just on the coach is simplifying, right, 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.560 It's guys getting the most out of their talent, catching 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.520 the ball, making the tackle and. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.240 Making silly mistakes when you do make it exactly. Our 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.400 final big thing today is going to be about streaks. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.719 Streaky this team has been, especially under Doug Peterson, started 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:13.440 poorly in twenty twenty two, ended well, started well, last year, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.840 ended poorly, started poorly here. This team tends to when 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.760 they're good, they're good, and when they're not doing well, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.880 they slide. How Brian, do you work around that and 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:24.960 try to get yourself out of this so this doesn't 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:26.760 turn into another multi game thing. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.360 I think it's important to point out because we both 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.960 just said that the roster is a pretty good roster. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.000 There isn't any reason why they can't turn it on 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:36.600 on Sunday. And I get it. The Patriots have a 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.840 rookie quarterback, they've lost five straight games, they've got a 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.440 brand new coach. So if the Jaguars come out and 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.560 put a number on the Patriots on Sunday, people and go, well, yeah, 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.920 they beat the Patriots. But there isn't any reason why 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.960 they can't create some momentum here, start playing good football, 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.839 which they haven't yet this year, and try to turn 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.920 that side a bit around. I mean, what's a strong finish? 0:06:57.279 --> 0:06:59.520 I mean they started strong last year and then it 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.479 just went on hill and it's started at the bottom 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.280 of the hill and it's gone down a little lower. 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:06.240 Do they have to go eat in three? You probably 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.360 have to go eight in three for it to be 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:09.000 a strong. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.120 Yeah, I would say eight and three, you still got 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.200 to be over five hundred, and eight and three would 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.200 get them over five hundred. That seems a distant dream 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.360 right now the way they're playing. But think about it. 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.880 I was look at this season like this. So far, 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.080 you've had two awful games. The rest of them, you've 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.240 had a chance. The Houston Texans might be as good 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.280 as anything in the league right now save a couple 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.480 of teams at the top, and the Jaguar should have 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.680 beaten them. So can this team get to that point 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.120 where it has a chance at the end of games 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:41.080 against good teams, Yes, clearly it can't. Can they make 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.320 those key plays at the end of those games against 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.040 good teams? They have to show that. But if they 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.880 do it, it's there. But I can't predict that right 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:51.520 now the way they've played. Well, you know, it was 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.040 the Cowboys got clobbered at home of what was that 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.280 forty seven or nine. I mean, they got beat badly 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.960 by the Detroit Lions. And Mike McCarthy came out the 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.160 next day and he's been under they're three and three, 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.720 and he said, I relish the chance to turn this 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:05.360 thing around. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.160 Well, what else is he supposed to say. I mean, 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.480 he's getting mocked in the media about that, but you 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.680 know they've got they've got eleven games left to play 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.480 as well. I kind of like to see Doug Peterson 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.120 or the players step up and kind of say that thing. 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.320 Maybe they're they're thinking it, but you make that line 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.080 in the sand and go, we can turn this around, 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:23.880 and we want to turn it around, and we're going 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.240 to turn it around something along those lines, because at 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.080 this point you got to go and prove it. You've 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.720 got to go and get it done. And I guarantee 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.559 you kuy they believe that they can win Sunday, and 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.640 they believe they can win the next Sunday. They they 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.199 don't lack in a confidence perspective from their ability to 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.040 go out on the field on Sunday and think enough 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.000 of themselves to go win. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.600 So I think one nighth difficult for him is when 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.040 you've lost ten of twelve. Yeah, I know after games, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.720 if I'm a player, I am a little self conscious 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.480 about saying the same thing I said before, which is 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.280 that we can get it turned around. So I know 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.120 they're feeling that. I kind of get why the players 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.040 are hesitant. Even Trevor said the other day, I can't 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.920 sit up here and say everything. I'm paraphrasing, but he said, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:12.520 I can't sit up here and say everything's great or 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.040 pound the table because you've heard that before. So there's 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.920 a little bit of a hesitancy on that. But I 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.760 get the feeling. I do get to feeling, and I'm saying, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.160 you don't have to pound the table, just say we 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.160 can turn it around. It starts on Sunday. We got 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.240 to turn it around. We believe we can turn it around. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.240 There's not a lot of energy for this team in 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.199 the fan base, and nobody was surprised by that. The 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.439 way to turn it around is to go win the 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.760 next one. Go win the next one. You remember they 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:36.880 lost those five games in a row in twenty twenty 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.400 two after starting two and one, and they were all 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.199 one score games at the end, and the question was 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:43.800 every week, Doug, what's it going to take for your 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.319 team to get over the top. Doug, how do you 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.120 win a close game at the end? You know, Doug 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.360 what's going on, and he just kept being patient and 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.240 patient and patient and knew that at some point they 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:54.920 get it done. And then they did against the Raiders 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.960 and things started to go their way. So maybe they 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.480 need one of those come from behind games, because I 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.319 remember they were down seventeen nothing to the Raiders in 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.520 that game. Maybe they need one of these come from 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.319 behind to believe enough in themselves to start it. The 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.719 cool thing kai the NFL is always nice enough to 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:09.760 give you another opportunity. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.000 Absolutely eleven more. All right, stay with this here on 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.880 jackson We're going to talk about what we might see 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.360 as far as changes go to the defensive side. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:18.199 Of the football when we come back. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.920 For eleven years, Dreamfinders' Homes has been proud to call 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.160 themselves the official homebuilder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Visit dreamfinders 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.880 homes dot com for all of the available inventory and 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:38.319 go Jags. Welcome back into Jags Weekend, JAG's Weekend. Jags 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:42.280 am here as we're in the UK, I mean a 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.679 beautiful library, very much different than our normal setting, but 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.319 I'll take it and clearly forgetting what show I'm hosting, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.440 but it is nice to be here and be able 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.520 to talk a little bit about what the defense is 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.199 going to be doing. We talked about some of the 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.520 changes we might see. Obviously they allowed the Bears to 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.959 score at thirty five points, so we're gonna see changes regardless. 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.679 We have seen Tyson Campbell on the practice field. He's 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.880 going to practice this week. His practice window has opened. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.199 We don't know if he will be playing yet, but 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.880 that's something to consider, especially with what we've seen from 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:10.600 the secondary. John. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.319 How helpful is it going to mean to get Tyson back? 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.839 Well, my vibe is that he'll be back. Doug didn't 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.000 say it on Monday, but the way he talked about it, 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.800 it sort of felt like he'll be back. Look, he's 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.360 your best player in the secondary, or he better be 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.400 with the way you paid him, and I think he is. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.000 I don't know that he's a takeaway aside of the 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.520 field guy, Brian, but he is a guy who makes 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.079 you better at a spot. Certainly he would give you 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:38.400 confidence being back there. Look, I don't think one guy 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.560 is going to fix everything, but one guy can raise 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.440 your level and then over time, if you get Dewey back, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.839 who is very consistent, Probably not this week, right, I 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.640 don't know if he's your best athlete in the secondary, 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.720 but he might be your most instinctive player and your 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.640 best tackler. So if you can get some guys back, 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.880 it'll help. But even with those guys, Frankly, I think 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.320 it's still more about the front not having those guys 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.880 under as much pressure. But Tyson would improve it. I 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.000 don't disagree. The front's got to get it done. However, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.520 you know, they were really happy with the way that 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.800 Tyson was playing in the first half in Miami before 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.280 he injured that hamstring. And what I think he allows 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.599 you to do is to move Ronald Darby into a 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.560 different role and get Monteric Brown over on the other 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.959 side of the field. Monterrek has earned the right to 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:27.320 think so he's played really, really well, not just in coverage, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.079 but up against the run for one hundred and eighty 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.640 five pounds. I mean, that guy throws himself in there 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.079 against the run like few cornerbacks you see in the 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.720 modern game. And that then allows you to get Darby 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.120 some rest. I mean, he's a ten year veteran, get 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.040 him into a different role. You got a couple of 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.840 other young guys, Trey Prince in particular, that is probably 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:46.280 going to see some time on the field over the 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.720 second half of the season. So maybe you get faster 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.720 in the second deary and a little bit more athletic. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.560 Hopefully that factors into it as well well. And had 0:12:55.600 --> 0:13:01.400 to bring another position into it, Dewey monterre Ventrel Meller. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.079 These guys, you know, just play with energy, right and 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.080 it just feels like that group. And Tyson does too, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.079 he's more cornerbacks. Is hard to play with it you 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.559 with energy, but those three guys, it just feels like 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.000 getting them on the field, you would have a little 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.439 bit of an emotional lift for a team looking for 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.160 something right now. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.000 Now that being said, because we talk about young guys, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.480 and we've been talking about them a lot, there is 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.280 an older guy that you might get this week, right 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.120 to Sean Gibson, who can come back this week if 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.319 he's cleared by the league, And as of Monday, the 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.240 coach still hadn't heard, you know, direct verification from the league. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.360 But you're talking about a ten year veteran who was 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.319 in San Francisco last year and was in Chicago before that, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.800 and had spent some time with the Jags, a veteran 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:48.280 guy who could give you a lift perhaps at the 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.679 safety position, which was a little better last week but 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:51.640 still not good enough. 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.000 Ran When you talk about using Darby in a different role. 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:55.959 Is that just not having him on the field as much. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.520 Do you see him kind of in a different place 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.000 in the secondary or how would you do it, because 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.800 obviously we saw him struggle against the Bears. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.600 Well, I'd move Monteric over there. The different role would 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.080 be he'd be a backup. He'd be a guy who'd 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:09.640 come in, you know, when I need to give a 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.559 guy a break, if a guy's got an injury, you know, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.760 he's the break glass in case of emergency, bring the 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.160 veteran back out on the field. I just think Monterrek 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.120 Brown is a guy who's been rising the last couple 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.320 of years, and has been rising since he went into 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.080 the lineup. And if Tyson Campbell's your one, I mean, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:24.160 who's number two to. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.720 You, well, Monteric. My sense is they may make that 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.920 transition slowly. I got to feel like the transition's coming. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.600 I don't know if it would be immediate, but I 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.760 just can't see him taking that long because Monterics aren't. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.800 Yeah, he's too bad to take Monteric off the field 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:42.680 at this point. I agree. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.960 We talked a little bit about Roy Roberts and Harrison 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:49.360 getting Harris getting traded to Seattle, so that opens up 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.920 a spot. We talked a lot about the subbing that 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.360 they've done on the defensive side of the football. They 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:59.320 were using Roy at times on the edge as well, 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.480 because they're isn't a ton of edge players on this team. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.040 So what do you think, John, are some of the 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.120 changes we're gonna be seeing now that they have one 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:07.920 less player there. 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.040 That's a good question because it has frankly been sort 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.000 of hard to follow and figure out what they're doing 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.520 upfront because they don't have very many defensive ends. So 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:21.560 Trayvon and Josh, I've got to think, and I get 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.560 the want to rotate those guys. Got to think those 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.800 guys need to be on the field more. At that point. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.720 Eric Armstead is the other guy in the rotation. You'll 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.440 move somebody out, but I don't want to be like 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.200 a cute about it. But I'm not sure who does 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.440 go out now, because Roy Robinson Harris was one of 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.160 those four guys out there, Miles Cole will come up. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.200 You need a big dose to that. So I think 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:51.440 it's Armstead, Cole and the two stalwarts and inside Brian. 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.680 It's been a lot of guys but not a lot 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.040 of guys who've distinguished themselves yet, so they're gonna get 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:58.760 more of an opportunity. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.520 But two guys that fly both in the last couple 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.120 of weeks, in particular last week Jordan Jefferson Sure and 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.800 Mason Smith, and it's time. It is time and listen. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.120 Jordan Jefferson's a really big, strong guy and he was 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.280 moving people when you see that. If you're Ryan Nielsen, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.760 you want more of that. He's young, you know he 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.720 can play more snaps, So you get him in there. 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.320 You've got to Devon Hamilton. Mason Smith will be in 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.720 there and listen. Maybe I'm the only guy. I'm not 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.120 the only guy that thinks that Eric Armstead should take 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.880 some snaps inside as well. He was a Pro Bowl 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.239 caliber interior pass rusher in a three technique in San Francisco, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.160 and what we've heard is he came here to play 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:42.120 in but you just don't see the same explosion, the 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.760 same quick twitch from Eric Armstead kai at end that 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.200 you see from forty one and forty four, but interior, 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.760 with his length and his strength, I would think he 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.560 would be able to give you some snaps in there too. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.200 I couldn't agree more I sort of wonder with the numbers, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:01.440 who you play out there. 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.200 If he will play out there. I mean, he looks 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:08.240 like it's six, So be interesting to see how that 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:09.680 plays out. Let's put it that way for me. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.200 Unless Trayvon or Josh asks off the field, I would 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.280 want them at this point on the field. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:14.960 Yeah, I want them on. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.800 It's not entirely unusual. Let's clarify. For that position to 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:22.040 do that, it rotates some. They rotate a little more 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.160 than I've seen before. You have to rotate a little 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.440 bit on the defensive line because you're past rushing and 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:29.639 it takes a lot out of you. So you're not 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.640 going to see one hundred percent snaps out of those guys. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.960 To me, what's interesting is there's an opportunity now in 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:40.359 the middle of the defense because nobody's really distinguished themselves there. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.640 There's more of an opportunity than I thought there would 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.840 be for Mason Smith and Jordan Jefferson to shine this year. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.159 Let's talk a little bit about just the offenside of 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.560 the football. We heard Travis Etn dealing with an injury 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.240 now himself, so week to week is how Doug Peterson 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.880 described it on Monday, so he may be missing some time. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.760 With what we've seen from Tank. We've been talking about 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.959 get Tank more carries, but I noticed that they've been 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.720 using Dearnest a lot specifically. Still when we talk about 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.760 Tank in pass coverage. You know whether he can handle that. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.080 He hasn't been trusted with it a lot in the past, 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.000 and I noticed in this game they really went leaned 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.000 towards Dearnest, especially late when they had to throw the football. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.560 Is that trust still there? Because we talk about the 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.359 trust and it's fine when you're winning, but then sometimes 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.680 with games like this, and he also fumbled the ball 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.480 in this game, is it still there? 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.679