1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show. Hi, everybody, 2 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philly Show. Rubenamar Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd 3 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: so lucky. Monday, July fifteenth, twenty twenty four, the Phillies 4 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: finished the first half with sixty three wins, franchise record 5 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: sixty two wins. At the All Star break, they finished 6 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: the first half with a eighteeny three bludgeoning by the 7 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: Oakland A's. It was like the most bizarre way to end, 8 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: like the greatest first half in franchise history. They play 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: so great all first half, dominant starting pitching, fantastic offense. 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: And then yesterday at Citizens Bank Park, the A's just 11 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: hit a barrage of home runs. Garrett Stubbs finishes on 12 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: the mound, and I thought Kyle Schwarber summed it up, beast. 13 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: He's like, well, this is when you need to kind of, 14 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, look at the big picture. Today's a good 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: big picture day. As you go in to the second 16 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: half and you spread across the country, you remind yourself that, 17 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 1: you know, it was a pretty fun, fun first few months, 18 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: and you know, you remind yourself that were in pretty 19 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: good shape going into the second half, and you remind 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: yourself that the eyes are on the big prize, which 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: is the World Series, and so they I don't think 22 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: they were too happy, but I also don't think they 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: were too crushed, because this is not the twenty sixteen Phillies. 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen Phillies on their way to ninety wins or 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: ninety losses. They'll be okay, but good, good first half 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: of the Phillies other than yesterday, right. 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yesterday was pretty ugly. One question was was that 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: game sponsored by little known as or Ralph because there 29 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: were a lot of meatballs. 30 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: There are a lot, There are a lot of meatballs yesterday. 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you have Larry Butler hitting a couple of bombs, 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: and then you know, Brent Ruoker hits a couple of bombs. 33 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Brent Ruoker, who right handed bat, right corner outfielder, not 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: really corner outfielder, more of a DH but hits a 35 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: couple of bombs over the back. That was the first 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: time ever batter's hit two four hundred fifty foot home 37 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: runs or more since stat Cast started measuring the same game. 38 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: That's how that's how bad. That's how many home runs? 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: Right yeah? He does. 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 4: He's got some bat speed, and he handles and he 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 4: hits the ball to the all fields. If he wanted 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: to audition for the Phillies, he certainly put on a show. 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: But my dad, as my dad would. 44 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 4: Say back in the day, if it was a tough 45 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 4: game like that, he would say, they threw a shoe. 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 5: He threw a shoe. 47 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: He threw his shoe. It was it was ugly. 48 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a disappointing effort by Michael Mercato, who 49 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 4: I like as a young man. I might like the kid, 50 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: but he just has, especially over his last couple of outings, 51 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 4: just not able to command anything. I really like his arm. 52 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 4: I really like his breaking ball. He's got an excellent curveball, 53 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 4: but that curveball was shaped differently. It's not breaking in 54 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 4: the twelve to six fashion. It's more, you know, sort 55 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 4: of ten whatever, ten five or whatever. It's just not 56 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: the same sort of break. And he's not able to 57 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: command it. He can't command your fastball, he can't command 58 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: your best pitch. 59 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: You're in trouble. 60 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: And he left a lot of pitches in the middle 61 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: of the plate and even got a little tidbit funny story. 62 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: I was driving up here to Carbondale and lo and behold, 63 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: I run into Topper Rob Thompson at a stopped random 64 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: as he's driving up to As he's driving up to Canada. 65 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 4: It was hilarious. I pull up and I'm looking to 66 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: my right. I go, that's I could see his gate, 67 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 4: you know, guy he sort of walks with sort of 68 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 4: a side to side gate and I'm. 69 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 3: Like, that's Topper. So I stopped the car, rolled down 70 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 3: him and I said hey. He looked at me, He's like, 71 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: what are you doing here? It's hilarious. I took a 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 3: picture of him there. 73 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: I pt the picture a couple of friends of mine 74 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: and I was like, it was so funny. 75 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: We were sitting here. 76 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: So anyway, he was he was concerned that maybe it 77 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: got to the point where guys were tipping pitches or 78 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: something like that, because they were getting tattooed so badly. 79 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: But it's weird. 80 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 5: I don't know. 81 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if they were tipping. That's some of 82 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: that stuff was right over the plate. 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 4: Oh no, that's why I told him. I said, you know, 84 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 4: I just hadn't my advantage point watching the game partially 85 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: from the ball park and partially from the studio. 86 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: It looked like. 87 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 4: There's a lot of pitches that were literally right down 88 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 4: Broad Street and then the nitro zone. 89 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: Well, the only reason that Mercado even sniffed yesterday was 90 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: because Zach Wheeler could not pitch because he's had the 91 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: back issue. And you know, talk to Zach yesterday. He's 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: going to come back the second series following the All 93 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: Star break in Minnesota, so he's gonna have about twelve 94 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: or thirteen days between starts. So, you know, Zach Wheeler, 95 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: they want to keep him healthy, so they skipped his 96 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: start yesterday. They're going to push him back in the rotation. 97 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: That rotation guy's first half phenomenal performance. Nothing I've seen 98 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: close to that since twenty eleven, maybe go back even 99 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: further than that. I can't remember a time of rotate. 100 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Philly's rotation was his dominant in the first half with Wheeler, Sanchez, Suarez, Nola, 101 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: three All Stars. Nola could have been an All Star 102 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: if he really dig into those numbers. He's really has 103 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: some All Star worthy numbers as well. 104 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, the rotation was great, but you know they end 105 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: the first half was concern. You know, Zach Wheeler doesn't 106 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: make a start Ranger Suarez has said, really, three poor 107 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: ones in a row and the fourth one was only 108 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: so so, so you know, there's two big concerns there. 109 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: And until those guys are back on the mound looking 110 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: like themselves, you know, I will continue to have those 111 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: concerns because this team is built on pitching. We saw 112 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: this weekend what happens when you don't get good pitching. 113 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: One of the worst teams in baseball lights you up. 114 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: And that's what happened. They didn't get that, and in particular, 115 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: you didn't get that good starting pitching. I know yesterday 116 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: was a it was a bullpen game, but All Star 117 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: Break hitting at the right time. You know, Zach Wheeler 118 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: went from his back tightened up in the in the dugout. 119 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 5: Between innings too. 120 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: He's had it for two or three starts, to having 121 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: an MRI, to missing a start to now getting twelve 122 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 2: days off, So. 123 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 5: You know, right, yes, I'm concerned. 124 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: You know, Ranger Suarez went from from a bad one 125 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: to dead arm to now he's gonna type back. He's 126 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: not gonna pitch on the All Star Game. I'll be 127 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: concerned until I see him back looking like himself. 128 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, totally, agree with you, Jim. 129 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: My concerns are different from with Zach then with them 130 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 4: with Ranger. 131 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: With Zack it's the back. 132 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 4: I'm hopeful that it's just tightenus and it's just bothering 133 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 4: them and it's no big deal. Backs are tricky, as 134 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 4: we know, they can be very tricky. Cole Hamil's has 135 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 4: to deal with it even at times you see you 136 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 4: see Bryce Harper having to deal with it from time 137 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: to time. They're they're sort of a tricky thing because 138 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 4: they're attached to everything right, and so you hope that's okay. 139 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: And then with Ranger, it's. 140 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: More of a workload thing for me because he works 141 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: soon many innings in the first part of this and 142 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 4: so many ups and downs in the first part of 143 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 4: this season that he's it's sort of in a area 144 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 4: where he's never been in his career, and so it's 145 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 4: important for him to sort of bounce back and get 146 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: the rest necessary and be refreshed and start pitching the 147 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: way you know he was pitching in the early part 148 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: of the season, because he was, you know, Cliff Lee 149 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: like like a robot man. 150 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. 151 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: And I made mention to this, I guess I'm pre 152 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 4: and poster at some point where I felt like he 153 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: was throwing with the ball with a lot more effort 154 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 4: over the last. 155 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: Couple of games. 156 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: You can see him just trying to make his pitches 157 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 4: instead of just letting them happen fluid and easy. He's 158 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 4: trying to spin that breaking ball, and he's trying to 159 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: get that fastball to its spot, and it just looked 160 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 4: like he had a lot more effort to his delivery. 161 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 4: And I have a feeling that it might be have 162 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: to do with some fatigue uh in his overall body 163 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: and arm. And hopefully this break will get them, get 164 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 4: them going again and get them. 165 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: Refreshed to uh to roll through the second half. 166 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: Because you're right, Jim, if they're not pitching, uh, it 167 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 4: makes life really difficult. Look at look at some of 168 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: the teams out there. I mean, you can talk, you 169 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 4: can talk about all the teams that are that are struggling. 170 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: If it's not starting pitching, man, you're in trouble. 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: Well you know you say, Jim, you used the word concern. 172 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: And Rob Thompson before the game he started, was asked 173 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: if he is concerned about his rotation. He said, I 174 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: don't want to say I'm concerned, concerned, but it's always 175 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: on my mind. Like you said, this team is built 176 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: on starting pitching, and he he basically said late August. 177 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: There's a stretch of games in like late August, early September. 178 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: He's like, we're probably going to go to a six rotation. 179 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: Now they've done that each of the last week. But 180 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: he you know, sometimes the managers and I understand why 181 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to commit too early. Then you don't 182 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: do it and you're not getting all these questions asked. 183 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: The next few is why you're not doing it? But 184 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: he said, we're probably going to go to a six 185 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: man at some point, and it's probably here's the pocket 186 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: of games it was like late August, early September where 187 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: we're going to go to a six man because they 188 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: have to have Wheelers who as healthy. They have to 189 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: have Nola and Sanchez healthy, because you don't want to 190 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: be going in there with one of those guys down. 191 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: And now you're going to is it Spencer Turnbull, he's 192 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: not really back yet, is it Taiwan Walker still doesn't 193 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: have to split or whatever's happening at that time. So 194 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on going forward. 195 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: And I think that makes sense that, like you said, 196 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: they've done it before. Look, I think this break both 197 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: of these guys are getting makes sense right now. My 198 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 2: point is I just want to see them come out 199 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: of it fixed and looking like themselves. And Ranger, it's funny, 200 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: you all we talked about it, and we all have 201 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: been asked about it. 202 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 5: In other places. 203 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: There was so much euphoria about the way Ranger was 204 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: pitching April May June. You know, he looks like Cliff Lee. 205 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: He's been terrific. He's a favorite for the cy young 206 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: and I would always caution to the point of maybe 207 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: being a wet blanket. You've got to do it for 208 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: six months, and this is why you know, you've got 209 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: to do it for six months. So hopefully this is 210 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: just him encountering a speed bump and a challenging speed 211 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: bump on the road to learning how to do it 212 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: for six months and having his body being able to 213 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: deliver for six months. You know, hopefully he'll he'll you know, 214 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: pole vault over this speed bump and come out on 215 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: the other side better. Because he's crucial. You know, we've 216 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 2: seen the bats can disappear for a night for two 217 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: nights for three nights, baseball happens. We saw it here 218 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: last October at a really inopportune time. But the pitching 219 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: and the starting pitching especially has to remain consistent. That's 220 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: kind of what this team is built on. Hat tip 221 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: to the bullpen as well. It's really built on it. 222 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: It's pitching staff and you need your best guys to 223 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: be your best guys. 224 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with that. And for me, it's 225 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: not really an emotional thing. For uh. For for Ranger, 226 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 4: it's more of a physical thing because I think emotionally, 227 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 4: there's no question in my mind he's not scared. 228 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: He's not going to back down. That's that's not the issue. 229 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 4: It's really having his body do what he what it 230 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 4: needs to do to perform. 231 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: So you look back at the first half, first half, 232 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: Cy Young Philly Cy Young Award winner. Who do you pick? 233 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot of options, There are a lot of options. 234 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: Who do you if you had to pick the Phillies 235 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: best pitcher? Give him a fifty dollars gift card to Starbucks, 236 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: to Starbucks, you know, let him go out and get. 237 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: A give a sponsor. 238 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: We're going to sponsorship, get a cold brew, go get 239 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: a cold brew or whatever you want them to get. 240 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: Who are you giving the fifty dollars gift card to 241 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: go ahead? 242 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: M I got, I got Zach Wheeler. He's still consistent. 243 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: He's just so so consistent. I just love the way 244 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 4: he goes about it. And even when he doesn't have 245 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 4: his best stuff, he's still you know, he's still firing 246 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 4: off six innings for you, and you know, throwing a 247 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: mixing an a quality start. 248 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 3: So it's Zach for me. 249 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's ten and four two seven zero e Ra 250 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Nola leads the staff with wins with eleven. But but 251 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Wheeler's got the lowest dra for for whatever that's worth. 252 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: Leads the team in strikeouts only thirty five walks in 253 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixteen innings. He's my guy as well. 254 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you, but I would you know, 255 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: the speed bumps put a lot of attention on Ranger. 256 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 5: He had a great first half, still he did. 257 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: Chris had a great first half and underappreciated. Aaron Nola 258 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: had his you know, had a terrific, terrific, consistent, workman 259 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: like professional, successful first half as well. 260 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 5: So Wheeler is the winner. But you know they go 261 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 5: four d pretty good. 262 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: They do. There's a lot of one. There's a lot 263 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: of one. A's there too. 264 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're really I mean three love. 265 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: I love the consistency of Aaron Nola. I mean he 266 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: really is. 267 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 4: I mean he gives up home runs because he leaves 268 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 4: pitches in the middle of the place, because he throws 269 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 4: so many strikes, and that's going to happen. 270 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: But you know, Cole Hamill's used to give up home 271 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: runs left and right. 272 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 4: I mean you start looking at the length and breadth 273 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: of what Nola's done. I mean it's pretty outstanding as well. 274 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 275 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: Noa's numbers are I mean just strikeouts. He's only walked 276 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: twenty seven guys in one hundred and nineteen innings. You're right, Reuben, 277 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: He's around the plate a lot. He gives up some 278 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: home runs but doesn't give up a lot of base runners. 279 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: First half MVP no brainer, right, Bryce Harper gets that 280 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: hands down. You can't really make it. I mean, I 281 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: guess you could make if he wanted to be contrarying. 282 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: You could say Alec Bohm is the first half MVP, 283 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: and you could say trade. You could say Trade Turner 284 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: is the first half m VP. But it's got to 285 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: be Bryce Harper. The numbers were just off the charts. 286 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Good it's Harper, but you know, terrific supporting cast. You 287 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: mentioned Turner. I mean, gosh, he's been other worldly since 288 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: coming back. Schwarber's having a great year, and Alec Bowman 289 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: has got seventy RBI's and he's really you know, Bryce 290 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: Harper's player of the month twice. 291 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes and June Yeah. 292 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: And you know, BAM has done a pretty good job 293 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: behind Bryce Harper, given guys pictures something to think about. 294 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: I think BOM's had a tremendous year as well, so 295 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: really good supporting cast behind Bryce Harper. But you know 296 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: he's right there with all he's doing. 297 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: I saw, yeah, I was gonna say real quick, but 298 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: I think both got thirty three doubles. I saw this 299 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: in the notes post game notes. I'm kind of probably 300 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: butchering this, but it's like the second player with like 301 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: thirty plus doubles Phillys player at the breaks other than 302 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: Chase Sally's. So these guys turned into a doubles machine 303 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: and an RBI machine. 304 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: It's spectacular what he's done. And really, when you think 305 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 4: about why Bryce Harper's had such a great first half. 306 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 4: You got to give some love to Alec Boom from 307 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: the time that he slid into that four hoole. 308 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: Who was going to be that guy? It was JT. 309 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 4: In the early part of the season, Alex Boom started 310 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 4: swinging the bat. I remember mentioning in a post game 311 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: one time at some point that guy's going to have 312 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: to slide into that forehole to protect Bryce Harper so 313 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 4: that Bryce Harper can get some pitches to hit Boom. 314 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 4: It happened, And I mean those two guys were killing 315 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: it for a while. 316 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: They were killing it for a while, killing it. You 317 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: look at just keep looking back at the first half. 318 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: Biggest disappointment has got to be wit Maryfield. Wit Maryfield, 319 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: they released him the other day. Now they're going to 320 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: give Wes Wilson a looking left field. Clearly they're going 321 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: to be looking for a right handed bat with some 322 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: pop to play some left field. But you know, wit 323 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: Maryfield at the time looked like a great little signing. 324 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: You know, one of your eight million dollars veteran bat 325 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: off the bench. He can play some left field short stuff, 326 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: let you know, the whole deal, and just just did 327 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: not produce. Uh so they let him go on Friday, 328 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: so you. 329 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: Right, right, well, I have I have another guy that 330 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 4: and that's Bryce to stop for me. I mean, it 331 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: was very disappointing that wit Marryfield didn't because you know, 332 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: he came in with the resume that was pretty strong. 333 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 4: And making that adjustment We've talked about this a million times, 334 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: but making that adjustment to be in a one one 335 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: a week or two a week player from being a 336 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: you know, six, six times a week player so difficult 337 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 4: for some players. And he just didn't really uh he 338 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 4: didn't really packed the team. 339 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: A whole lot, but Bryson stopped. 340 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 4: I mean it warrants some discussion because I see things 341 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 4: in his swing right now, especially at the end, that 342 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 4: are concerning. He's not having the quality of the bat 343 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 4: that he had pretty much for the first two years 344 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: of his career. You see him sort of flailing it pit, 345 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: just trying to hit the ball out of the ballpark. 346 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 4: He's dropping down, he's not using his top hand, there's 347 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 4: not that length through the zone in his swing to 348 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: make consistent contact, and it just looks like he's trying 349 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 4: to drive the ball out of the ballpark. 350 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: I'm not sure why he's trying to do that. Is 351 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: it arbitration? Is it? You know? 352 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 4: Is he just pressing? And I just thought that he 353 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 4: would move in leaps and bounds this year. He was 354 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 4: going to be like the guy that I thought would 355 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: take the very next step to becoming like a tremendous 356 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: everyday player and perhaps a possible All Star type player. 357 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: And while his defense has been excellent, there's no question 358 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: about that, he hasn't let him affect him there. I 359 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 4: just don't see him having the quality of the bats 360 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: that he should be having. 361 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: And I don't know. 362 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: If it's he's pressing for some reason or trying to 363 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 4: do too much, but I just don't it's a little 364 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 4: surprising that he hasn't taken that next step forward. 365 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Stot's hitting. Let's these numbers, they are eye 366 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: popping there. He's betting two thirty eight six from runs 367 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: forty two RBIs a six seventy six ops. And then 368 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: he get into the stackcast numbers, the exit velo numbers, 369 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: the hard hit rate, those are all I mean, way down, 370 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: way way way down, towards the bottom of all hitters 371 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: in baseball. Rob said yesterday that he thinks he keeps 372 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: kind of he's in between. He when some days he 373 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: comes out there and he's hyper aggressive, some days he 374 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: gets out there and he's hyper passive. They want him 375 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: to find try to strike a happy medium. I know, 376 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: Stock going into the season said he needs to try 377 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: to stick with his approach more, or his game plan 378 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: more getting into the batter's box. And he says quite often, 379 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: you know, he'll be looking for, say something away, and 380 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: the first pitch is in, and then he'll just abandon 381 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: that game plan and he'll start looking for something in 382 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: and then the pitch is away and meet you know, 383 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: fastball in the outer half, and then he just doesn't 384 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: swing at it. So now he's now he's in a 385 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: hole and I was in an old two hole. Now 386 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing. So I don't know. 387 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: Maybe he's getting into that where he's given up on 388 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: his game plan again. But yeah, those are not great numbers. 389 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 5: He has not handled fastball like he has in the past. 390 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think your point about lately he looks 391 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: like he's trying too hard. Uh, what's you know, what's 392 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 2: the reason for that. I think when guys get off 393 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: the slow starts, and you know, they know more as expected, 394 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: and they try to get it all back at once. 395 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: So hopefully this and you can't do that, so hopefully 396 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: this All Star break will be a cleansing breath for 397 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 2: him and he can kind of hit the rece that 398 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: button Friday night in Pittsburgh. Because we mentioned how much 399 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: they need Suarez, they need this guy too. He's a 400 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: vital cog and they need more from him. 401 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: Especially if he's going to hit behind Bom. 402 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 4: I mean, Bom needs some protection too, and he continues, 403 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 4: you know, Rob Thompson keeps throwing him out there behind Boem, 404 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 4: you know, doing that left right combination. 405 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, you talk about. 406 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 4: Aggressiveness, Aggressiveness doesn't mean hit the ball out of the ballpark. 407 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 4: Aggressiveness means getting a pitch, seeing it and driving it, 408 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 4: you know. And I think he needs to stay in 409 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: the middle of the field more consistently because he has 410 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 4: the ability to hit the ball the other way. He 411 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: has the ability to hit the ball at the middle. 412 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 4: He doesn't have to pull the baseball to have success, 413 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 4: and in fact, he'll All you gotta do is watch 414 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 4: Bryce Harper, you know, when he's driving the ball to 415 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 4: the opposite field, hitting the ball out to the oppice field, 416 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 4: but hitting doubles to left field, that's when he has 417 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 4: his most success. Guess a much more better plate coverage, 418 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: And I think I think you're right, Jimmy. He needs 419 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 4: a reset and hopefully he gets back into that right 420 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: mindset where he's just usually using the middle of the 421 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: field more aggressively. 422 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe maybe he needs a standing ovation. 423 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: That seemed to work Tray. 424 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 4: The second point all work for trayh. 425 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: You never know. 426 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: A little bit of love for Bryce to stop, maybe 427 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: that goes a long way. You know, Nick Castiani's finished 428 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: the half pretty well. He got to such a brutal start, 429 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: and we've talked about him a lot. He had two 430 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: sixty eight nine home runs thirty RBIs from May nineteenth 431 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: through the All Star break. Seven that's a seven ninety 432 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: two ops. That makes him one of the top third 433 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 1: most productive hitters in baseball since May nineteenth. You know, 434 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna have some ugly games in there, but he's 435 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: he's That should make the Phillies feel a little bit 436 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: better going into the second half, knowing that they're getting 437 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: some more consistent production from Nick as they try to 438 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: address their needs. I would imagine right. If you're Dave 439 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: Dombrowski feel better about that lineup. 440 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 5: There still is a need for a right handed bat. 441 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: If you could get you know, the right guy to 442 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: plato him with Marsh, you're going to have a kind 443 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: of the cumulative the combination of a pretty good player. 444 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 5: You know. 445 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So let me ask I want to ask you 446 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: guys this question. I don't think he's going to come 447 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: to the Phillies, but we talked about him at the 448 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: beginning to show Brent Rooker he'ds those two four hundred 449 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: and fifty foot bombs last night. He has played some 450 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: left field before, but he's only played left field I 451 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: think nine times all year and not once since May thirtieth. He's, 452 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: I guess, regarded as a below average defender and left field. 453 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: Do you you know Rubyen what you know? You were 454 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: in this spot. You talk a lot about defense and 455 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: how you love defense, and you got to have the defense. 456 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: You know? 457 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: How about the pitchers? Could you make a guy like 458 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: that work knowing that he's a below average defender and 459 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: knowing that Schwarber's your DH. 460 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: It depends on what below average defender means. Because we 461 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 4: used to talk about Pat Burrow not being able to 462 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 4: you know, being you know, below average, and the below 463 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 4: average was because he could not get to certain balls 464 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 4: because he just couldn't move that well. 465 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: He had that foot problem for a while. 466 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 4: But the routes and the balls that he could get 467 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 4: to Pat would catch. If he's that type of left fielder, 468 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 4: then I'm fine with it, because if you get to 469 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 4: the ball, you catch the base balls that you're supposed 470 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: to catch, then I'm okay with you know, getting a 471 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: guy like that. I don't know enough about his defense 472 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 4: because I haven't seen him play enough to be able 473 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 4: to ask the right yet to be able to know 474 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 4: whether to have that opinion. I'm sure their scouts had, 475 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 4: you know, over the years, Mike Gondo, I'm sure has 476 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 4: his boys having seen him at some point out there 477 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 4: in left field, and they probably have some reports on him. 478 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: But you have to you have to be careful about 479 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 4: this because he's got to be able to catch the baseball. 480 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 4: And you're not putting Kyle Schwarber out there to play 481 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 4: left field. That's just not happening. The man, you know, 482 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 4: blew out blew Out is Uh is growing going out there, 483 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 4: like the one game he played out there, Kyle Schuber's 484 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 4: the DH and they're not platuning the dhs, so so. 485 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 3: I think it's a tough decision. 486 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 4: He's a guy that if you're going to go get him, 487 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 4: you package him with Miller and then you really have 488 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 4: to give up a lot for him. 489 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 3: If you're going to give up a lot and you. 490 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: Get it to dip into the Justin Crawford, Abel Painter 491 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 4: Miller type of prospect able not as much, but certainly 492 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 4: Painter Crawford and Miller. 493 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: If you're dipping into. 494 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 4: That pool, I would me as a GM, I would 495 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 4: move one of those guys for those two players, but 496 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 4: not for just one, okay, because then you're hitting two 497 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 4: needs and you just roll the dice. Then you're getting 498 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: a stud guy in the back end for five years 499 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 4: and you kind of go from there. That's the only 500 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 4: way I would I would move any of those big. 501 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 2: Three before we get touched get back to that with 502 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: Miller and stuff. I mean, defense is such such a 503 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 2: real consideration for me, especially behind this pitching staff, especially 504 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: in October, when one run, one run can can make 505 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: you dreams come through or break your heart, you know. 506 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: I think back to Game five with it. I think 507 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 2: It was Game five of the twenty twenty two World 508 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: Series at Citizens Bank Park. Hoskins doesn't make a play 509 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 2: chas McCormick does make a play that was such a such, 510 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: you know, such a big turnaround defense. Is you know, 511 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: to me a real consideration with Rooker. I wonder if 512 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: the guy from Anaheim Taylor Ward or the guy from 513 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: Washington Lane Thomas both hit lefties, and wonder if that 514 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: might be a better fit. Obviously they don't have the 515 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 2: dynamic power that Rooker has. I mean, that was a 516 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: show he put on, and then you know, right in 517 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 2: this ballpark in front of this team, there was drama 518 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: to it. But Friday night Miller put on a show too. 519 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 5: What a body? What a release? What I want an arm? 520 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 5: What ride on that fastball? 521 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: And you think about it, how expensive he'd be because 522 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: of the control of five years of control. But there 523 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: are mitigating factory he had the he had a strain 524 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: of his UCL last year. 525 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 5: Relievers can be up and down. You don't know what 526 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: he's going to be like. 527 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: Over that five years of control in some way, and 528 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 2: then you don't know what the elbow is gonna be like. 529 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: In some ways, he might be like a perfect fit 530 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: here because he might get the best two or three 531 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: years of his career in the next two or three 532 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: years and fit that would fit right in with this 533 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: team's window. You got three years of Wheeler coming, you 534 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 2: got a few years that, You've got more years of Nola, 535 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 2: but you know, you got Turner Schwarber for another year. 536 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: You get Turner and Harper for a number of years. 537 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: You kind of get everybody just north of thirty. They 538 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: need to win one this year, next year, the year after. 539 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: This window is right here. Miller would really fit in 540 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: that window for me. I guess the question is would you. 541 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 1: What would the price be right? Because if you're Oakland, 542 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: you're holding the Phillies over Barrel. 543 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's good. 544 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 4: I mean it almost feels like you'd have to give 545 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 4: up two of those guys. 546 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 3: And if you have to give up two. 547 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 4: Of those guys and then no, but if you have 548 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 4: to give up one of them to get both those players, 549 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: I would consider it and another package. Maybe it's Able 550 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 4: and Crawford, maybe it's Abel and Miller, maybe it's you know, 551 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 4: or some other pitching prospect or young prospect infielder that 552 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 4: they have. There's a couple of and they have way 553 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 4: down below. They're pretty darn good. I mean, that's they're 554 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 4: They're not the only prospects they have. We're just talking 555 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 4: about the blue dip. You know, you quote unquote can't miss. 556 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: There's no camp misses. By the way, I will tell 557 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 4: you that unequivocally, there's no camp misses. Paul Skens is 558 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: a camp mess. Okay, that's it. 559 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 2: I remember being camped out in Toronto and the summer 560 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: of the dock summer, the summer of Onon and we're 561 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: trying to get doc. 562 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 5: And and you know, there was. 563 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,959 Speaker 2: No way you're gonna give up ray Back and Brown 564 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: and there was no way you're gonna give it either one. 565 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 5: And then you relented yoursel include one and neither one 566 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 5: of them. Really it happened. 567 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's. 568 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: It's a tough call. 569 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 4: I do think that they will be aggressive, how aggressive 570 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 4: to the point where they would move one of those 571 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 4: big boys. 572 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 3: It's going to be a fascinating story. 573 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: Uh. 574 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: I love that they're in. 575 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 4: This position because it's exciting and you love being in 576 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: that in that buyer's mode. 577 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: There's nothing like it. Yeah, And it's. 578 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: Difference maker Rooker or you know, a right handed batt 579 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: or or Miller mel Miller. 580 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 3: It's no. 581 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: So he was so good the other night. Every time 582 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: you looked up on the radars on the scoreboard, it 583 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: was one o three. 584 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 585 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: Uh, it was all of a sudden. Now you can 586 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 2: move everybody down a little bit. What a bullpen you have, you. 587 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 3: Know right now? And Alvarado's sort of struggling right now. 588 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 4: And I think that that also sort of opens up 589 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 4: the discussion of Ryan Kirkring all as as effectively people 590 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 4: are seeing him a concern about. 591 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: Sir Anthony Domingez as well. You know you have right 592 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: now you probably have just sort of it up and down. Yeah, 593 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: you have you have strom Hoffman, kirk Ring and then 594 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: maybe Alvarado. And then after that you start, yeah, you 595 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: start tinkering, You start wondering. You don't want to be 596 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: in that position in the postseason where you don't have 597 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: a guy available. Now you're going to you know, you 598 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: and your marte whoever's on the bullpen, and that. 599 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: You gotta have somebody that you can trust. 600 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 4: Rob Thompson needs somebody you can trust back there to 601 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 4: get a two outs or three outs, and doesn't matter 602 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: where those two outs anytime after the sixth inning, because 603 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 4: you know you're you have a pretty good chance of 604 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 4: getting six innings out of your starters. 605 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: F you know you have eighteen excuse me, you got 606 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: you know, nine outs. Where you got to be able 607 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: to get those nine outs some way, shape or form, 608 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: and you gotta get guys you can trust. 609 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. It's gonna be fun to talk about trade. 610 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: We'll be back later this week to talk second half. 611 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: More on the second half. Today was a little bit 612 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: of a look back at the first half, but we 613 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: couldn't help ourselves. We're already talking about the trade deadline 614 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: and two guys we just saw this weekend. But it's 615 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: fun to talk trade deadline. I like crazy, you know, 616 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm jump. 617 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: The gun guy, I can't hold. 618 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. You like making deals, You like making deals? 619 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: You should making deal? 620 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, baby. 621 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: So we'll be back later this week talk second half, 622 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: talk trade deadline. We'll get into some more options at 623 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: the trade deadline. Some guys, they might be looking at 624 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: what you throw in. We'll play GM. It's not our 625 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 1: it's not our prospects, it's not our future. Yeah, that's right, 626 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: not our money, it's it's not our money. 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