Speaker 1: Welcome to Special Teams, a production of I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: Greetings and Welcome Inside Special Teams with Jason Smith and
Speaker 1: Mike Harmon, a podcast that looks back at some of
Speaker 1: the special teams in sports history what they were able
Speaker 1: to accomplish an individual year in sports. Part of our
Speaker 1: run we're on right now is we're looking back at
Speaker 1: some of the special teams that took place in some
Speaker 1: of the biggest sporting events of all time. In the
Speaker 1: middle of a big NFL run right now, we're gonna
Speaker 1: look back at a play that just celebrated. It's anniversary
Speaker 1: not too long ago. We make you feel we kind
Speaker 1: of have to do it. Well, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: been twenty five years. I've had time to get over it.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna look back at the Fake Spike game,
Speaker 1: also known as the clock play, but a fake spike game,
Speaker 1: in which Dan Marino turned the fake spike into a
Speaker 1: cult play in NFL history by driving the Dolphins down
Speaker 1: at the end of the fourth quarter in a game
Speaker 1: in which it looked like he was gonna spike the
Speaker 1: football to stop the clock, but instead he's there's a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass to mark Ingram. The Dolphins beat the Jets
Speaker 1: and the fake spike game and it's legend is born
Speaker 1: and your blood pressure as you said that, which just raising.
Speaker 1: I can see the vein popping out of your head.
Speaker 1: It's okay, buddy. You know, it's not often you get
Speaker 1: a midseason game that you know, we're gonna say, boy,
Speaker 1: what a game. But look, this play was huge for
Speaker 1: both teams and it actually affects the Seattle Seahawks and
Speaker 1: and the current uh in college football pro football. This
Speaker 1: game had a lot of influence on NFL's future. Uh So,
Speaker 1: as we describe as I do it gritting my teeth,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins Jets. Dolphins win the game on the fake
Speaker 1: spike by Dan Reno and subsequent touchdown pass. But we're
Speaker 1: getting ahead of ourselves. How did both teams get to
Speaker 1: this point week twelve of the season. Well, the Jets
Speaker 1: had gone eight and eight under Bruce coslate in they
Speaker 1: had to win the final game of the season against
Speaker 1: the Oilers to make the playoffs. The Oilers had given
Speaker 1: up right there, weren't starting Warren Moon, We're gonna start
Speaker 1: Cody Carlson because this game, if nothing at stake, the
Speaker 1: Oilers are going to the playoffs and the Jets lose
Speaker 1: twenty four nothing, twenty four to nothing. They don't show up.
Speaker 1: I knew when I saw Rob Moore in street clothes
Speaker 1: right before kickoff. I said, Ah, this, this is this
Speaker 1: is not gonna happen. This. Yeah, back before you had
Speaker 1: all the insiders giving you injury and illness updates, long
Speaker 1: but long before this was all right, now we're taking
Speaker 1: you live. You're like, wait a minute, wait what. It
Speaker 1: was such a disappointing end with that horrible effort that
Speaker 1: they had, you know, with with the playoffs on the line.
Speaker 1: I was so disappointed. So were the Jets because they
Speaker 1: fire Bruce Coslet and replace him with Pete Carroll. Hey,
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll getting his first NFL A coaching job with
Speaker 1: the Jets, and look, Pete Carroll was bringing young enthusiasm
Speaker 1: to the position. Remember the big controversy he had had
Speaker 1: while coaching for the Jets was he had made the
Speaker 1: big choke gesture when Pete Stoyanovitch missed a field goal
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins in the game and cameras caught him
Speaker 1: doing it, and he kind of had to apologize for
Speaker 1: it because I Stevins choked. But hey, as a head coach.
Speaker 1: I liked it. You know, Pete Carroll was you could
Speaker 1: tell he had something about him. When he gets the
Speaker 1: head coaching job, he was a little bit different. He
Speaker 1: wasn't the Hey, we're gonna hire Bruce Coslet and Joe
Speaker 1: Walton all these other guys. No, he brought that youthful
Speaker 1: energy and enthusiasm with the team, and we started out
Speaker 1: pretty good. You know, we're six and five and we're
Speaker 1: going into this game against the the Dolphins playing for
Speaker 1: first place in the a f C because the Dolphins
Speaker 1: were seven and four and the Jets are playing at home,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, hey, we're a pretty good spot right now.
Speaker 1: We're playing for first place and Pete Carroll has been
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job so far. That's all you
Speaker 1: can hope to be is in the mix right in
Speaker 1: the first year of the regime, the especially with a
Speaker 1: coach who didn't have the long track record of success.
Speaker 1: This wasn't a hey, former Super Bowl winning guy. Everything
Speaker 1: more thin. So now here's his new challenge. No, Pete
Speaker 1: Carroll is still a rising name, but not a guy
Speaker 1: that was an automatic. Certainly not the Pete Carroll we
Speaker 1: talked about here in so being in the mix to
Speaker 1: have a playoff potential is absolutely huge. So the Jets
Speaker 1: are going into this game led by boomeris Scias and
Speaker 1: at quarterback who they had gotten from the Bengals. Johnny
Speaker 1: Johndrian Morrel were the big running backs for them. They
Speaker 1: had robbed Moore, Art Monk, people forget Art Monk, all
Speaker 1: these guys that I think of in other uniforms. Oh
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, every last one of those guys. Because
Speaker 1: you say Morrel Cardinals, Cardinals say Boomer Bengal uh and
Speaker 1: we had Ronnie Yes, yeah, I mean this is the
Speaker 1: Jets team, right, Look Boomer. Boomer was someone who in
Speaker 1: the Jets got him. I was thinking, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: gonna solve our quarterback issues. And he played pretty well
Speaker 1: for the Jets. I mean, we're gonna talk about this
Speaker 1: game and he's a big part of it. But I
Speaker 1: remember being excited and then I remember thinking, Okay, we
Speaker 1: gotta get rid of Boomer, Like it went like from
Speaker 1: hey Boomers, how we gotta get rid of Boomer. For
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, they come into this game feeling pretty good
Speaker 1: because Dan Marino had missed the entire ninety three season
Speaker 1: with a torn achilles. It was are most of the
Speaker 1: season with a torn achilles You know, uh he comes
Speaker 1: back in the Dolphins play well. He throws three touchdowns
Speaker 1: to beat the Jets in Week three. I mean they
Speaker 1: were rolling. Bernie Parmeli and Terry Kirby were okay enough
Speaker 1: at running back. Their wide receivers were Irving Friar, mark
Speaker 1: ingram O j McDuffie. They were really solid coming into
Speaker 1: this game though they had lost two in a row.
Speaker 1: They lost the Bears, they lost the Steelers, so they're
Speaker 1: seven and four and they need something to go right
Speaker 1: because this is the first place showdown against the Jets.
Speaker 1: But still this is a pretty talented Miami Dolphins team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When you go top to bottom and this is where
Speaker 1: you still had, you know, the receiving corps getting after
Speaker 1: it for Marino. The offense, it's like we talked about
Speaker 1: with college football, al Right, You're you're facing an offense
Speaker 1: that does things that you're not gonna see a ton
Speaker 1: on the schedule. It's still most teams are run predicated. Men.
Speaker 1: Look at your Jets numbers with Boomer for the year
Speaker 1: played in fourteen games. He had seventeen touchdowns and that
Speaker 1: wasn't out of the norm. Right, we talked about the
Speaker 1: annual you know, exploits of Hall of famers like like
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman and such. They weren't throwing thirty five touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: You weren't winging in around and so here's your big
Speaker 1: spot and you've got Marino back and everything's recovered. It
Speaker 1: was a statue anyway, offenses clicking just needed the defense
Speaker 1: to rise up once in a while, you know. And
Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest rivalries in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins and Jets hate each other. Look, when Marino
Speaker 1: retired or not. In Marino's final year, they needed the
Speaker 1: Jets to win the final game of the regular season,
Speaker 1: and they won, and they asked Dan, hey, would you
Speaker 1: thank the Jets for a win? He like shook his
Speaker 1: head like like you just asked him, hey, can you
Speaker 1: loan me five million dollars? Like he didn't you want
Speaker 1: to give the Jets any credit. These two teams hated
Speaker 1: each other, right, I told you about the Stoyanovitch. It
Speaker 1: was actually an extra point the Stoyanovitch. Dnked uh and
Speaker 1: Carol makes the choke sign. They can't stand each other,
Speaker 1: and for me, I can't stand the Dolphins as a
Speaker 1: Jets fan. But I wouldn't have been that upset if
Speaker 1: Bernie Parmaly had a big game. So it was my
Speaker 1: first year of doing fantasy and I had Bernie on
Speaker 1: my team. I mean, he came out of it was
Speaker 1: my first year. I'm like, boy, I really want to
Speaker 1: win this game. But I wouldn't be upset if Bernie
Speaker 1: Parmerly played well. And I'm like, oh boy, you know
Speaker 1: something that every fantasy player goes through at some point
Speaker 1: when they first started playing. And it's my favorite team
Speaker 1: and I have a player playing against him. But I
Speaker 1: was so excit used to get an argument with football
Speaker 1: players all the time over that stuff. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you can't be a real fan and play fantasy. And
Speaker 1: I would always use this argument. All Right, I'm from Chicago,
Speaker 1: I'm a Bearrass fan. Stipulate to that, Yes, yes, what
Speaker 1: do I hope if I'm a fantasy owner? I know
Speaker 1: Brett Farve is thrown for three yards and three touchdown passes? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I draft Brett Farve and you know what I
Speaker 1: hope happens. They lose the shootout every Sunday, So as
Speaker 1: soon as they have a good defense, that's when I
Speaker 1: back off my Brett Farve and maybe I've got a
Speaker 1: guy that's just on par with him in my rankings
Speaker 1: and I go the other way. But it usually diffused things.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it would get me an expletive laden response and
Speaker 1: they'd storm off. So good times. Uh dude. I I
Speaker 1: was so excited cause Bernie Parmley was like the third
Speaker 1: running back I needed. And I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's he ran for almost a thousand yards, came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, he almost had a thousand yards season. I
Speaker 1: was like, gay, Bernie part really Bertie Parvately, So I
Speaker 1: would have been excited at Bernie Parvaly had a big game.
Speaker 1: Instead I get the fake spike. So that's what that's
Speaker 1: celebrating Bernie. There we go. So coming up next the
Speaker 1: drama that surrounded the fake spike, And there are some
Speaker 1: absolute insane things to think about when you look at
Speaker 1: the place surrounding the fake spike. What happened before, what
Speaker 1: happened after? We got that coming up next right here
Speaker 1: on Special Teams. I feel like I wanna fast forward
Speaker 1: Mike and and get just get past the fake spike.
Speaker 1: And I'm building up to it. We're gonna build up
Speaker 1: to it. There's a lot of stalk about it, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we just get to the fake spike already, because I
Speaker 1: just cant just get to it, my goodness, because you
Speaker 1: know it's there, right, It's it's you love all the
Speaker 1: different part a book or a movie, but you know
Speaker 1: where the plot turns because you know you gotta get
Speaker 1: there and you gotta work through it. And this is
Speaker 1: one where I mean, you really gotta work through it, Bunny,
Speaker 1: and I know it. It cuts you to the quick.
Speaker 1: All these twenty five years later, the Jets actually start
Speaker 1: out big in this game, and they race out to
Speaker 1: a seventeen nothing lead. Right Brad Baxter runs for a touchdown. Boy,
Speaker 1: he was a touchdown vulture for the Jets. Boomera assize
Speaker 1: and throws a touchdown past to Johnny Mitchell. This is
Speaker 1: back when Johnny Mitchell was gonna be the next great
Speaker 1: tight end of the National Football League. They trade touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Mark Ingram catches a touchdown from Dan Marino uh and
Speaker 1: the score is seventeen to six. Then Mitchell catches another
Speaker 1: touchdown from a Siasin. So the Jets are leading six
Speaker 1: and the third quarter, Metal Lands is rocking. I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in first place. And then of course
Speaker 1: it all falls apart, which is how it works for
Speaker 1: the New York Jets. Marino throws another touchdown to mark Ingram.
Speaker 1: They get a two point conversion, and this is when
Speaker 1: boomeras size And starts giving the bleeping game away. All right,
Speaker 1: everything is still fine. See you see my blood boiling
Speaker 1: on this I can feel it rising. You're gonna, man,
Speaker 1: what the hell is that supposed to mean? Uh? As
Speaker 1: Siasin gets picked off, throws his first pick of the
Speaker 1: game that leads to the third Marino to mark Ingram touchdown,
Speaker 1: which cuts lead one. Alright, Jets still have the lead.
Speaker 1: They're driving. Then the size And gets picked off again
Speaker 1: for the second time, but the Jets force a fun Okay,
Speaker 1: everything is okay, we have the ball lesson three minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Everything is fine. As Siasin is picked off again with
Speaker 1: two and a half minutes ago in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: and this begins the Dan Marino drive. He gets the
Speaker 1: Jets all the way down to the eight yard line
Speaker 1: with thirty eight seconds left in one time out. You've
Speaker 1: seen the play a hundred times, he tells the team
Speaker 1: clock clock clock. But he throws the touchdown to mark Ingram,
Speaker 1: the fourth Marino to Ingram touchdown of the game, lead
Speaker 1: in the win. All right, now, there's look at that drive, Smith,
Speaker 1: to look at the drive seven of eight eighty four yards.
Speaker 1: They go down like like a hot knife through butter.
Speaker 1: Uh and just complete, complete, not taking huge chunks here more.
Speaker 1: We're talking eighteen four fourteen three eight. Keith Jackson, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know was in the mix there as as well
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier in the possessions. But Irving Fryar,
Speaker 1: I mean that your big chunk yardage was a past
Speaker 1: to Mike Williams. No, not Mike Williams, if you're lost
Speaker 1: william Not that Mike Williams, nor the former wide receiver
Speaker 1: tight end from USC but the big plate twenty two yards. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: it was an awful lot of mark Ingram that you're
Speaker 1: looking for over and over again. And the ageless Irving
Speaker 1: Fryar got that whole thing started seven of eight man
Speaker 1: choke choke, yeah, yeah, no, no, I get it, No, no,
Speaker 1: I get free. Mcduffe caught a past two yeah no yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: little eff it is he would he would then, you know,
Speaker 1: step into a bigger role in later years. Um, now
Speaker 1: here's here's where this play gets a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it gets. The Jets get a
Speaker 1: worse rap for it than they do. But first of all,
Speaker 1: how about this thirty eight seconds left to go in
Speaker 1: the game. The Dolphins were on the Jets eight yard line,
Speaker 1: and they have a time out, and the Dolphins are
Speaker 1: thinking clock. I mean, just think about how it says.
Speaker 1: Can you see a team with thirty eight seconds left
Speaker 1: to go in a game and they have the ball
Speaker 1: on the opposing team's eight yard line, they need they need, uh,
Speaker 1: you need to score and they have a time out
Speaker 1: and they would think about clocking the ball and giving
Speaker 1: away it down. But this is the way the NFL was.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't you know, to the precision of hey,
Speaker 1: teams can get up to the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: spike the football in five seconds like they do now,
Speaker 1: which is something that Look, that's what Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: the Patriots never got as much credit for they were
Speaker 1: able to do. Is of all the big things Brady's
Speaker 1: done in his career, the way how fast he would
Speaker 1: be able to get the Patriots up to line scrimmage
Speaker 1: and spiked the football only a couple of seconds coming
Speaker 1: off the clock. But this is that everywhere. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: all right, thirty eight seconds. Well, let's let's let's let's
Speaker 1: let's get some time to figure out the next play.
Speaker 1: Let's let's think about clocking the football, because this is
Speaker 1: a normal play. Teams would get up, you know, forty
Speaker 1: seconds like, let's do all right, hang on, we don't
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen now, so let's make sure we
Speaker 1: clocked the ball and give up a down. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's in it's crazy to think that's the way it
Speaker 1: was back then. Yeah, I mean, whenever you're in those
Speaker 1: types of situations and look, we see some crazy stuff
Speaker 1: on play calls all the time, you and I Monday
Speaker 1: and Thursday nights there, how many times do we just
Speaker 1: have this awkward moment of silence, going what is he doing?
Speaker 1: And don't understand? And certainly clocking uh is never in
Speaker 1: the thought process when you've got that much time left
Speaker 1: and you never want leave the extra play right, either
Speaker 1: get to the field goal unit, or you've got time
Speaker 1: and opportunity with timeouts and others to stop the clock,
Speaker 1: that you do it. Uh, And set up your best
Speaker 1: play here. Uh it just took everybody by surprise, obviously,
Speaker 1: which is what it's intended to do. Thank you, Bernie Kozar.
Speaker 1: But for the general football flow, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: something that I want the master's class on the down
Speaker 1: distance and hey, you know what, every once in a while,
Speaker 1: you gotta play that wild poker hand and that's what
Speaker 1: we saw here. Uh So the Jets kind of get
Speaker 1: a bad rap on this play because the way this
Speaker 1: play is presented has lived over the years. It's all
Speaker 1: look at Marino completely fools the Jets defense. No, watch
Speaker 1: the play. Marino fools some of the players, but Marvin
Speaker 1: Washington gets his hands up, almost gets his hands in
Speaker 1: the way of the past. He's playing the snap right away.
Speaker 1: He's not fooled. Paul Frase, defensive lineman, is a half
Speaker 1: second and a step away from nailing Marino before he
Speaker 1: throws the pass. So it's not like everybody gave up.
Speaker 1: The Jets still had half the team to Okay, something's
Speaker 1: gonna happen on this play. And Aaron Glenn is in
Speaker 1: coverage on mark Ingram. It's not like Ingram just ran
Speaker 1: by him, and Aaron Glenn is standing there. Aaron Glenn
Speaker 1: just happened to run to cover mark Ingram and he
Speaker 1: was wasn't facing back towards the quarterback. And Marino throws
Speaker 1: the bullet into the touchdown for Ingram. So it's not
Speaker 1: like the Jets all got fooled by this. I mean
Speaker 1: another half second, or if Aaron Glenn is a little
Speaker 1: bit tighter on coverage, Marino can't throw this pass. He
Speaker 1: gets hit, maybe gets sacked against Theri fumbles. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have want to winning the game anyway. They
Speaker 1: probably would have. But still, it's not like the Jets
Speaker 1: all got fooled because you watch us and and they
Speaker 1: had to execute this pretty fast because the Jets still
Speaker 1: had a few players who were jumping on this play.
Speaker 1: Well they were actually off sides too, right, A funny
Speaker 1: thing in the play as you you've break down every
Speaker 1: man and you know we do our account and how
Speaker 1: many are on the field and all these other things.
Speaker 1: You know, they they defended. Uh, they just get the
Speaker 1: good strategy, good execution by Dan Marino. Will give him
Speaker 1: credit for this one, right since he's always the at
Speaker 1: the head of the list of best and never have one.
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, second year ap here yea, thanks, thanks, he
Speaker 1: still had a good run. I feel bad on my
Speaker 1: heart bleeds. Well, this is now one of his crowning
Speaker 1: moments against you. I mean, if you were in a
Speaker 1: roll tape on his finest moment, I mean, this could
Speaker 1: be it, you know, and Marino you're right, you know,
Speaker 1: you're right. This is Marino's I mean, look, forty eight
Speaker 1: touchdowns his second year, you know, rookie year in the
Speaker 1: leagu's or second year in the league, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you had this. It was I mean he threw for
Speaker 1: you know, three sixty in this game and four touchdowns
Speaker 1: and it was you know, not saying Dan Marino is
Speaker 1: in a Hall of Fame quarterback, but I always say, look,
Speaker 1: Marino's the top five quarterback, and we say how we
Speaker 1: see how great he is and how well he played.
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't have this game and doesn't have
Speaker 1: this fake spike moment, is he is widely looked at
Speaker 1: as Hey, Dan Marino is one of the top five
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL. This game had so much for
Speaker 1: his legacy because it was it's the like you said,
Speaker 1: it's the moment you look back at you can see
Speaker 1: all the passing titles, all the yardage, everything else, but boy,
Speaker 1: the fake spike game. In the year he came back
Speaker 1: from injury, he won the NFL Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Dan Marino was still Dan Marino, still had a few
Speaker 1: more really good years left in him. I don't know
Speaker 1: without this game, people say, hey, Dann he's one of
Speaker 1: the top five quarterbacks of all time. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that puts up a lot of yards. But this is
Speaker 1: always the highlight you see the first time you see Marino,
Speaker 1: it's him doing the fake spike and zipping that touchdown
Speaker 1: in I don't know that that's the case without this,
Speaker 1: No you mentioned it. It's a lot of yardage. We
Speaker 1: talked about empty stats. Pick your sport, right, NBA players
Speaker 1: who are just scores, you shrug. NFL quarterbacks now that
Speaker 1: passed for five thousand yards, you can or four and
Speaker 1: then look at Jameis Winston in the thirty thirty year,
Speaker 1: or go through how many other quarterbacks who've gone over
Speaker 1: four thousand yards piled up a bunch of stats, but
Speaker 1: their team six and ten. NFL record books and the
Speaker 1: box scores are full of them. Fantasy football titles for
Speaker 1: a few of them, I'm sure guys getting drunk uh
Speaker 1: and having big meals because of the success of their
Speaker 1: quarterbacks there. But it's a lot of empty stats. And
Speaker 1: for Dan Marino, you don't want to go to that
Speaker 1: end with it because it's still you still appreciate the
Speaker 1: arm and his capacity to move the ball and make plays,
Speaker 1: but they didn't get over So you need a play
Speaker 1: like this and the veterans savvy or whatever term you
Speaker 1: want to throw on it to help build that legacy
Speaker 1: and legend now, and just to give you an idea
Speaker 1: of Marino's career here for the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: his first four years in the league were incredible. Right,
Speaker 1: he throws twenty touchdowns when he comes in as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and then the next year it's forty eight, thirty and
Speaker 1: forty four. Right, Marino looks like he's gonna be unsta poppable. Well,
Speaker 1: he threw thirty touchdowns in this year. It was the
Speaker 1: only time he had done that since nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: He had never again hit thirty touchdowns in the year
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six all the way to thirty touchdowns, never
Speaker 1: threw for thirty touchdowns again after four never threw for
Speaker 1: four thousand yards in a year again, something he had
Speaker 1: done five times earlier in his NFL career. So while
Speaker 1: he still had pretty good years, they weren't. Boy, look
Speaker 1: at Dan Marino is No, he never really approached these
Speaker 1: heights again. And look, he played in big playoff games,
Speaker 1: he was on TV all the time. Look, as I said,
Speaker 1: I think he's a top five quarterback of all time.
Speaker 1: He was so high profile. But without this to the
Speaker 1: rest of his numbers really jump out. He only made
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl one more time, you know, and ninety
Speaker 1: four he made it in You're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that made the Pro Bowl in his career and then
Speaker 1: eight three to eighty seven. So clearly the last half
Speaker 1: of his career didn't really measure up with the first half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the end, you don't want to diminish and and
Speaker 1: reduce a career to a couple of moments. But we
Speaker 1: always ask for those signature plays and signature pieces to
Speaker 1: a player's career, particularly when we're putting them on these
Speaker 1: goat and Mount Rushmore discussions like we have all the time.
Speaker 1: For Dan Marino, you didn't have that right because even
Speaker 1: forty eight touchdowns, it's the aggregation of it There's no
Speaker 1: singular touchdown pass that really stands out from that year,
Speaker 1: at least not to my mind. And that was when
Speaker 1: you know, my love of football as a kid and
Speaker 1: I was playing and running around and running them uk.
Speaker 1: I mean, that was about it as as high as
Speaker 1: I ever was as a involved and had to really
Speaker 1: I do it for the job now, but as a kid,
Speaker 1: that's where the passion was really probably you know, hitting
Speaker 1: its peak point where I also knew I wasn't growing
Speaker 1: any tall or so my career wasn't going anywhere further
Speaker 1: than that slow of foot short not exactly the combination
Speaker 1: of success, but like you were eating all that stuff up.
Speaker 1: But for Dan Marino, I was like, why I had
Speaker 1: another big game and be like, all right, there's a
Speaker 1: long throw insert receiver here and away you go. But
Speaker 1: here you had this indelible image X to your brain.
Speaker 1: That is part of NFL folklore. This was a play
Speaker 1: that Bernie Kozar brought to the team. Kozar was the
Speaker 1: backup for Marino this year. And then, like you've heard
Speaker 1: that story plenty of times, but it was great to
Speaker 1: hear Dan Marino talk about it. Following the passing of
Speaker 1: Don Shula, earlier this year, and that it was basically
Speaker 1: he said, listen, this game, we were down at halftime,
Speaker 1: and Shula allowed me to do my thing. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if that meant he called all the plays,
Speaker 1: but that's why he liked playing for Don Shula, because Shula,
Speaker 1: when it came down to it, would let his best
Speaker 1: players play. You know, they practiced it all season, they
Speaker 1: did everything else. But when it came to put up
Speaker 1: a shut up time for this play, yes, Marino did it,
Speaker 1: but he didn't do it without Don Shula giving him
Speaker 1: the okay to do it. It was Don Shula saying, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the time to break got this fake spike
Speaker 1: play and it was the perfect opportunity. And you see
Speaker 1: the relationship that the two of them had, where no
Speaker 1: matter what, you have a guy that throws the football
Speaker 1: a ton, and here's Don Shula, who never who came up.
Speaker 1: You know, throwing the football is not something he did
Speaker 1: all the time, but he knew enough this player is
Speaker 1: really really talented, unlike many guys I've seen, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let him do his thing. But in the end, it
Speaker 1: was still Marino going, I'm not gonna go crazy and
Speaker 1: go completely off topic and ignore the coach. You tell
Speaker 1: me this is the time for this play. Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do this play. Yeah, because also remember the start
Speaker 1: of this game. I mean, you go through the play
Speaker 1: by play. He was awful early. They didn't move the
Speaker 1: ball for anything. Uh. The Jets dominated, Sorry, buddy, which
Speaker 1: is why I'm gonna call them out in a minute. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, giving him like you're you're the quarterback. You
Speaker 1: go and and let's figure this out. And this one
Speaker 1: you're holding back right at the annexation of Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1: Uh from a little giants. Uh, you wait for that
Speaker 1: perfect moment and then you pounce and it's the Jets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is all right. So you know, I feel better.
Speaker 1: I got through that part of it. It It was okay,
Speaker 1: it was okay. I think okay, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: breaking down the fact that Jets really didn't relax on
Speaker 1: the play. I mean, I think that makes me feel
Speaker 1: a little bit better, a little bit better. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: tiny bit about it. Find your wins where you can't
Speaker 1: even if the little ones. But coming up next, the
Speaker 1: staggering things that happened to both of these teams and
Speaker 1: some of their stars as the result of this play,
Speaker 1: It's special Teams with Jason Smith and Mike Harmon A.
Speaker 1: Sciasin gets picked off throws This first interception of the
Speaker 1: game leads to another mark Ingram touchdown makes the game one.
Speaker 1: They drive down deep again and again Boomera Sciasin gets
Speaker 1: picked off. This puts the Dolphins in position for their
Speaker 1: famed fake spike drive. So now what happened to both
Speaker 1: of these teams and some of their big players following
Speaker 1: the fake spike game. Well, for the New York Jets,
Speaker 1: things did not get any better. Boomeris Sciasin was never
Speaker 1: the same after this game. He lasted one more year
Speaker 1: and he started twelve games going to and ten and
Speaker 1: the Jets moved on, right. I think boomeros Sizens grew
Speaker 1: is over at this point, but he winds up back
Speaker 1: with Cincinnati three years later, and he starts five games
Speaker 1: after Jeff Blake gets hurt. You remember Jeff Blake when
Speaker 1: he came in suddenly, boy, Jeff Blake, he threw a
Speaker 1: great deep ball that felt like it hung up in
Speaker 1: the air forever. You know. Carl Pickens, Oh yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I had Carl Pickens in Fantasy to man, he was
Speaker 1: a star. Uh so Blake, who was becoming a star
Speaker 1: quarterback out of East Carolina. He gets hurt. Okay A
Speaker 1: Sizin comes in and in five games he throws thirteen touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati's offense was great. They won four out of their
Speaker 1: last five. The bank has wanted him back for two
Speaker 1: more years. I mean, this is suddenly, here's Boomers, Sciasen's
Speaker 1: renaissance and we got Boomer, we got Jeff Blake instead.
Speaker 1: He retired. His last play a seventy nine yard touchdown
Speaker 1: to darn A Scott to beat the Ravens sixteen to fourteen,
Speaker 1: and Boomer retired because he was the first of the
Speaker 1: can't miss analysts in the National Football League. Boomer had
Speaker 1: done stuff for different networks and some stuff for ESPN
Speaker 1: while he was playing, and it was he's the next
Speaker 1: can't miss guy, right, He's the next Jason Witten, Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a guy that comes in and is
Speaker 1: the next big broadcasting star. It took him a while,
Speaker 1: you know, he got fired by ABC. He heard stories
Speaker 1: he couldn't get along well with Al Michaels. And now
Speaker 1: he's rebounded and now he's been hosting a morning show
Speaker 1: in New York for a long time CBS studio analyst.
Speaker 1: He's been around and still continues. Is in the midst
Speaker 1: of a great broadcasting career, but it took him a
Speaker 1: little bit. He wasn't the can't miss kid off the go.
Speaker 1: It was Boomer's got a little bit of rough going here.
Speaker 1: But he was that first guy, Mike that I remember
Speaker 1: talking about that and and seeing that he he was
Speaker 1: gonna be a star, gonna go right from the game
Speaker 1: into the broadcast booth, and the look when the broadcast
Speaker 1: booth wants you, and ABC wanted to I could go
Speaker 1: back and play football, maybe start, maybe backup Jeff Blake.
Speaker 1: Maybe instead, I'd go right into the booth. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go into the booth, always strong on the mic. Body
Speaker 1: had taken a beating, so I mean, there's that right.
Speaker 1: I mean, had a good long run, and this was
Speaker 1: quarterbacks didn't have long careers like that. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: got outliers and certainly guys that played through injuries. But
Speaker 1: at some point Boomer said, I'm done physically. Mentally, he'd
Speaker 1: been to the mountain, and with that renaissance, he knew
Speaker 1: that was lightning in a bottle, and that got a
Speaker 1: that U escape man, that Genie was out there. He
Speaker 1: did his three wishes and that was it. So and
Speaker 1: Boomer was smart enough to see that. I know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have that kind of run, thirteen touchdowns, two picks
Speaker 1: and the offense is ring, you're rolling up, get a
Speaker 1: couple of forty point games in there. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep playing a little bit. I still got it.
Speaker 1: I mean the Jets thing didn't, but I still got
Speaker 1: I can still throw the football. I'm sure he's had
Speaker 1: those moments where he always wonders what if right, but
Speaker 1: physically mentally may how many times do you talk to guys?
Speaker 1: And we see it all the time, the rumors always
Speaker 1: thinking about retirement. Alright, then he's already he's already working
Speaker 1: that way. And for Boomer, maybe maybe he had that
Speaker 1: that epiphany of all right, see what I can do,
Speaker 1: take this last run, and then you go in while
Speaker 1: you're hot and a name right, because if he goes
Speaker 1: back to the to the bangals and he's scuffles and
Speaker 1: and now he's relegated to clipboard duty with Jeff Blake
Speaker 1: taking over again, I mean, that's it, right. Maybe that
Speaker 1: sizzle isn't there and that job doesn't come back. Man,
Speaker 1: it's the Jay Cutler Christen Cavalery thing that that's playing
Speaker 1: out in me in the press. Man. Uh So that
Speaker 1: was it for Boomer. Like I said, he lasted a
Speaker 1: little bit longer and then moved on and had that
Speaker 1: great run at the end. For the Jets, well, I
Speaker 1: had a couple of stories that are so totally Jets
Speaker 1: for you. Pete Carroll calls the loss staggering. Right. The
Speaker 1: Jets collapse in December for the second straight year. They
Speaker 1: didn't win another game. They finished six and ten. They
Speaker 1: were six and five, playing for first place. They lose
Speaker 1: five games to end the season to goes six and ten.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll gets fired. Wait what are you doing up? Nope.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll gets fired because of that collapse and is
Speaker 1: replaced by rich co Tight, who also turns out to
Speaker 1: be one of the worst head coaches in the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Gave you the gift of co Tight,
Speaker 1: and here's here's why things are crazy Alright. Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: is replaced by rich Coe Tight, who was the Eagles
Speaker 1: head coach, but he was fired, but Leon Hess, Jets
Speaker 1: owner hired Rich Coe Tight because he said, I really
Speaker 1: start to desire more fun out of my football team,
Speaker 1: Like that was the exact quote. So he hires Rich
Speaker 1: Code type. Carol would have lost the most games to
Speaker 1: end the season at five except for Rich co Tight,
Speaker 1: who lost seven straight to end the season as head
Speaker 1: coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and then got fired. So
Speaker 1: they Pete Carroll lost five games row to end the season.
Speaker 1: That was no good. We want the guy that lost
Speaker 1: seven games in a row to end the season. Let's
Speaker 1: get that guy that coming to be our head coach.
Speaker 1: He lasts like two years. He was the absolute worst. Okay,
Speaker 1: he comes in. This is the year when they drafted
Speaker 1: Kyle Brady over Warren Sap. What are you doing, Jets
Speaker 1: fans are screaming for Warren Sap? No, no, no, we're
Speaker 1: gonna draft Kyle Brady when they had Johnny Mitchell, who
Speaker 1: was still a good tight end. Co Tight wins four
Speaker 1: games in two years. He was the absolute worst. At
Speaker 1: least there was light at the end of the tunnel
Speaker 1: because that's when they hire Bill Parcels after Code Tight
Speaker 1: goes one in fifteen, which, oh, by the way, we
Speaker 1: featured that season in more detail in a previous episode
Speaker 1: of Special Teams, Rich co Tight he was as bad
Speaker 1: as things are, as bad as coaches are. O Tight
Speaker 1: was the way he was. He was terrible. He was
Speaker 1: the worst. He got run out of Philadelphia, and this
Speaker 1: is who we're gonna hire to come in. It goes
Speaker 1: back to the questions we ask in business, right in
Speaker 1: our own personal businesses. Whatever you do out there listening,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate you taking the time with us here
Speaker 1: on Special Teams, UH and Jason and I on our
Speaker 1: work at Fox Sports Radio. Whatever you do. You know
Speaker 1: the office politics, you know the games that are played,
Speaker 1: and sometimes guys just interview well or there's some conversation
Speaker 1: from years before, and you're part of someone's framework of Hey,
Speaker 1: if there's ever an opportunity, let's take the shot. And
Speaker 1: well that's that's what they did. And the Kyle Brady
Speaker 1: pick is the one that that stays there and always
Speaker 1: will be, Uh coming out of Penn State. But yes,
Speaker 1: he frequently shows up as a top ten pick in
Speaker 1: any of the worst tires across the Big four sports.
Speaker 1: They're all yelling SAP, SAP, SAP set and all the
Speaker 1: Jets fans of screaming sap sap uh tight end Kyle Brady.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, really, it goes back to the mel Kiper.
Speaker 1: It's clear to me the New York Jets have no
Speaker 1: idea what the NFL draft is all about. That sounds
Speaker 1: about right now. What about the Miami Dolphins. Well, a
Speaker 1: couple of big things coming off this. First of all,
Speaker 1: what about Hero mark Ingram. It was his biggest moments
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl, very famous play when he gets through
Speaker 1: five Buffalo Bills defenders for a big first down in
Speaker 1: the Giants touchdown drive to help him win the game.
Speaker 1: He retires from the NFL in and now he's known
Speaker 1: as mark Ingram's father. However, it wasn't the end of
Speaker 1: drama for mark Ingram. In two thousand and eight, he
Speaker 1: gets sentenced to seven years in prison for money laundering
Speaker 1: and craud. He gets arrested when he doesn't turn up
Speaker 1: and turn himself in in Kentucky. Instead, he goes to
Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl to watch his son Alabama play Utah,
Speaker 1: the game that Alabama wound up losing. He wound up
Speaker 1: getting two extra years and got relieve he's from prison.
Speaker 1: A good dad, though, you gonna turn yourself in nope,
Speaker 1: going to the game. Okay, move though, turn yourself in
Speaker 1: and miss the game, or show support for your son
Speaker 1: knowing that you won't see him except on visitors Day
Speaker 1: for two more years. Oh that's a tough one, you know.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I don't know that. I'm gonna spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about that. But I think,
Speaker 1: no matter what, I would come down to less prison
Speaker 1: time being worth whatever it is. On the other side,
Speaker 1: I don't know there's anything I would choose more prison
Speaker 1: time over. I don't think I would money laundering. Where's
Speaker 1: my AMC show on his life? There is star of
Speaker 1: Big Time Games, Super Bowls, and he was in the
Speaker 1: Fake Spike Game and all these other things. But you know,
Speaker 1: and Burman used to always say his name mark Ingram.
Speaker 1: He would always do that when he would make when
Speaker 1: you make that play, And you know, working at ESPN
Speaker 1: as I did in the midnight cause I remember working
Speaker 1: on a Spike day and I'm like, great, now, I
Speaker 1: gotta live this every day. Everyone's gonna make fun of me,
Speaker 1: is you know? He would do the mark ingraman that
Speaker 1: was a very big day for it, because you know,
Speaker 1: the guy had four touchdowns and you know. The funny
Speaker 1: thing is that I never knew where that came from.
Speaker 1: And I said, why does he say marking All the
Speaker 1: other ones you get it like Tim McDonald has the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. I get a lot of but I go,
Speaker 1: why mark Ingram? And apparently there was a radio guy
Speaker 1: in New York who was legendary for the and I
Speaker 1: didn't listen to him. I think he was a talk
Speaker 1: guy and his name was Dan Ingram, and he would
Speaker 1: always sign on and say this is Dan Ingram. And
Speaker 1: so that's where you know, Berman got that from mark Ingram.
Speaker 1: All the time. It's like, Okay, I don't get why
Speaker 1: he does that. But then I finally figured out why.
Speaker 1: And that was the half the battle. For the Dolphins,
Speaker 1: the fake spike games save their season. They won two
Speaker 1: of their last three to win the a f C East.
Speaker 1: Bernie Palmerly scores three touchdowns in Week seventeen, they beat Detroit.
Speaker 1: Then they go to the wild card game against the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. They win the game, but game is
Speaker 1: more famous because it was Joe Montana's final game in
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Montana threw two touchdowns in the
Speaker 1: first half than a chance to win the game late,
Speaker 1: but Montana throws a goal line pick in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter when their downtown and Marcus Allen fumbles in Miami
Speaker 1: territory later in the fourth quarter. Montana finishes three four
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, two picks, doesn't matter. Miami wins the game.
Speaker 1: They move on to the divisional playoff, where they lose
Speaker 1: to San Diego. That ends their season. But this was Miami. Hey,
Speaker 1: things are okay, Marino was good, but that final game,
Speaker 1: you know, look Montana and Marino, this big showdown. Montana's
Speaker 1: final game in the National Football League, Well they sent
Speaker 1: him into retirement. Look at that, sending him away like that.
Speaker 1: That that's really brutal and vicious from Montana. Well that's
Speaker 1: pretty good though. I mean, he had a good run,
Speaker 1: and he took up a lot of my Sunday afternoons
Speaker 1: when I wished I was watching other NFL teams. Uh,
Speaker 1: he and the Cowboys monopolized all post Bears game him
Speaker 1: viewing for a young Mike Harmen. So there's some bitterness
Speaker 1: that still lives there. But yeah, I mean, we we
Speaker 1: talked about Joe Montana. Those final two years in KSE
Speaker 1: far more successful than they'll be remembered because you just
Speaker 1: think of the oddity of him not being a forty niner, right,
Speaker 1: It's it's one of those reality checks of what happened
Speaker 1: to those end term forty nine or stars, is they
Speaker 1: all went and played somewhere else, many of them right
Speaker 1: across the Bay also, you know, just extended their career
Speaker 1: one or two years somewhere else, as opposed to what
Speaker 1: was the norm of how you played with one team
Speaker 1: if you were the star and then you waved and
Speaker 1: went into a representative ambassador role. Nope, Montana off to Casey,
Speaker 1: you know, and and he's still this the second year
Speaker 1: he had with the Chiefs. He still had a pretty
Speaker 1: good year. He threw from it three thousand yards and
Speaker 1: this is back when you know you throw for three
Speaker 1: thousand yards, that's a big deal. You know, you throwing
Speaker 1: for three thousand yards back then is like four thousand
Speaker 1: yards now. And you know he was still able to
Speaker 1: do it. But he clearly was not the same quarterback either.
Speaker 1: A lot of injury difficulties and he retires from the
Speaker 1: National Football League after this. You know, people forget, you know,
Speaker 1: when you think about the end of Montana, boy, it
Speaker 1: was Montana Marino was the final game in the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to now just talk about
Speaker 1: where he is now uh in that he does a
Speaker 1: lot of things about copper uh, and he's trying to
Speaker 1: sew you weed or at least make you understand about
Speaker 1: the benefits of marijuana. Hey, everybody's got to find a
Speaker 1: way to make money. You know, Montana had big pay days,
Speaker 1: but not like some of the guys getting out. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta find and keep that money living. Man. Money's
Speaker 1: gotta be working as hard as you are. So that
Speaker 1: was the season, and that was the outcome of what
Speaker 1: happened because of the fake Spike game for both teams
Speaker 1: in the National Football League have a little bit Awhere
Speaker 1: are they now? Where are they now? All Right? You
Speaker 1: you talked about the firing at Pete Carroll. Man, we'd
Speaker 1: be remiss if we didn't talk about the domino effects
Speaker 1: of Pete Carroll. Right. You have the USC legend than
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks run that continues as you and I
Speaker 1: talk here heading into the season, all based on the
Speaker 1: disaster that was the fake Spike. I'm gonna and you
Speaker 1: and and your boomer assize and torture with two more
Speaker 1: data plause from up we're talking about Boomer. I thought
Speaker 1: we had to turn the page, No no, no. I Well,
Speaker 1: because it's it's the hammer to bring it back. He
Speaker 1: got James Saxon. Uh. He's working within the league as
Speaker 1: the running back coach for the Cardinals. Bernie Parmerley as
Speaker 1: well working for the Atlanta Falcons in the same capacity.
Speaker 1: A Rob Moore over with the Titans as a wide
Speaker 1: receiver coach. Gotta do that a lot of coaches, uh,
Speaker 1: it seems in this mix here Mohammed Oliver. His kid
Speaker 1: Isa is playing in Atlanta, So you got him. Aaron Craver.
Speaker 1: He doesn't do football, but he does track and field
Speaker 1: in Irvine, California. He holds the distinction of being the
Speaker 1: only player in NFL history to catch touchdown passes from
Speaker 1: Dan Marino and John Elway. Again owing to that guys
Speaker 1: that just played one team. Now Elway powdered and was
Speaker 1: a petulant child. Uh. Guy said it, uh and got
Speaker 1: his way to where he where he wanted in the NFL. Uh.
Speaker 1: He gets a pass. He and Eli have gotten pretty
Speaker 1: pretty nice passes along the way for strong army. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to highlight Nick Lowry. He had
Speaker 1: been cut eleven times by eight teams before going to
Speaker 1: Kansas City UH. In his career UH and extending here,
Speaker 1: he was at Dartmouth Grad. UH. He was on Senate
Speaker 1: committees for Commerce, Science, and Transportation. That was his parallel
Speaker 1: life with ball, was doing governmental work. And he still
Speaker 1: loves doing that type of research. So you have fun
Speaker 1: with that, alright. Ready for my last boomer assize and
Speaker 1: kick to yes, kick to the you pick, just do it, alright.
Speaker 1: To fourth down plays that are very important here. First quarter,
Speaker 1: fourth and one from the one Brian Hansen delay of game.
Speaker 1: Lowry twenty four yard field goal. Second quarter, second play,
Speaker 1: boomer assize and passed to James Thornton, former Bears tight end.
Speaker 1: He can't get that yard Smith turnover on down to
Speaker 1: no game, the tackle made by Tim Bowens. I mean
Speaker 1: there's there's fourteen points. I mean he got the field goal, alright,
Speaker 1: so that's eleven points left upon the board. Buddy, No
Speaker 1: fake spikes should have ever occurred, I rest my case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the Jets. I think it was inevitable. I
Speaker 1: think no matter what, it would have happened. The Universe
Speaker 1: inspired what does the Groundhog day? Just keep doing it,
Speaker 1: you get little lear learnings, but something still goes wrong. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, And the thing is, look just for a
Speaker 1: couple minutes to talk about Pete Carroll because obviously you
Speaker 1: see the Hall of Fame career he has crafted, first
Speaker 1: building the dynasty at USC and now what he's done
Speaker 1: with the Seattle Seahawks. You know, the Jets fire him,
Speaker 1: he becomes a defensive coordinator, and you know, he does
Speaker 1: pretty well for the next few years, and then the
Speaker 1: Patriots hire him as their head coach to succeed Bill Parcels.
Speaker 1: He got the Patriots into the playoffs his first year,
Speaker 1: but then they had a bad slide and he got
Speaker 1: fired at the end of Bob Kraft has gone on
Speaker 1: record saying firing Pete Carroll was one of the toughest
Speaker 1: decisions he ever had to make since buying the team.
Speaker 1: So you know, listen, Pete Carroll still had proven that
Speaker 1: I learned my lesson with the with the Jets about
Speaker 1: certain things to do not to do, and how to
Speaker 1: run a team, picked it up a little bit better
Speaker 1: the second time around with the New England Patriots, and
Speaker 1: then turns into a dynasty that he winds up building
Speaker 1: with USC and suddenly you think he's gonna be there forever.
Speaker 1: So again, like Belichick and like some other guys, sometimes
Speaker 1: you fail that first job and you really have to
Speaker 1: hope you get lucky and get another one, because if
Speaker 1: you don't, there could be Hall of Fame careers that
Speaker 1: we don't know about because guys started about poorly first
Speaker 1: and they never got another chance. Because look, would you
Speaker 1: have hired Pete Carroll after one year with the Jets
Speaker 1: in a big slide, after being six and five and
Speaker 1: losing the fake spike. No, you weren't able to rally
Speaker 1: your team. Happen right, You lost your locker room or
Speaker 1: at least outside in That's what we would be led
Speaker 1: to believe is that after a crushing lost you guys
Speaker 1: weren't able to rally and it was your fault. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was all their fault. Was all his fault, buddy.
Speaker 1: And then as we know that the wolves were knocking
Speaker 1: at the door at USC, and he veiled before that,
Speaker 1: came down uh and then headed to Seattle and then
Speaker 1: didn't give the ball to mar Shawn Lynch. Otherwise we're
Speaker 1: talking about him as the top five coach of all
Speaker 1: time about that Jets legend, it's Jets Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: Carol Jets All of Famer Pete Carroll. And look, let's
Speaker 1: be honest. Remember the reason that the Patriots fired him
Speaker 1: is because they realized that Bill Belichick was going to
Speaker 1: be available, and hey, we're gonna hire him. And you know,
Speaker 1: look what he's done. So you can't say it didn't
Speaker 1: turn out well for the Patriots. It was just boy,
Speaker 1: Carol did a pretty decent job that second time too,
Speaker 1: and then then it really clicked that third time around,
Speaker 1: and you know, just for that fake spike, maybe the
Speaker 1: Jets go eleven and five that year and Carol wins
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and suddenly he's in his you know,
Speaker 1: twenty six year as head coach of the New York Jets. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Parcel, I should say Bill Belichick is
Speaker 1: also a Jets Hall of Famer. True, there's lots for
Speaker 1: a minute. Oh you know, and anybody that's had spent
Speaker 1: any time with the Jets, you earned that Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame badge, I'll say, yeah, yeah, you spent your time
Speaker 1: with the Jets. Yeah, okay, you're a Jets Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer because I was a running joke, same as a jet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was running joke for years with the Cubs. Right,
Speaker 1: is that at some point all these guys passed through Chicago. Uh,
Speaker 1: but their fame and fortune and brilliance was somewhere else.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of folks don't remember that Greg
Speaker 1: Maddox actually won the cy Young before he left Chicago. Um,
Speaker 1: but they'll always just remember him as a brave here.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick at least passed through the car wash that
Speaker 1: was the New York Football Jets. So that's not look
Speaker 1: back at one of the most famous games and one
Speaker 1: of the most famous plays in NFL history, the Fake
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