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Speaker 1: Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: This is Freddie Rodriguez.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Wilmer Valderrama, and welcome to those amigos, which

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Speaker 3: today is going to be Today.

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Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't be more excited and proud. We've been waiting.

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Speaker 3: This man is one of the busiest men in Hollywood rightfully,

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Speaker 3: so one of the most talented guys we have in

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Speaker 3: our culture, doing the most mainstream you can get and

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Speaker 3: also doing exceptional work that's gonna last for a very

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Speaker 3: very long time. Guero is a very dear friend of mine.

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Speaker 3: Right we've been in each other's lives and careers, you know,

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Speaker 3: for the last man, I don't know, fifteen years or so.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I said ten.

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Speaker 1: What did you guys work?

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Speaker 4: Well, i'd see, they'll ray Rice. Well, when we would

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Speaker 4: have been twenty thirteen, Yes for you and I first

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Speaker 4: kind of intersected, even though I had been, of course

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Speaker 4: my iring your careers from afar and and we're not

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Speaker 4: too far from age. You guys are maybe just touch

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Speaker 4: touch my senior, I'd say, but although you look, but

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Speaker 4: you know I was. I was growing up in Austin

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Speaker 4: as an actor, and I was a of course clocking.

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Speaker 4: You know, the people who look like me, feel like

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Speaker 4: they've come from my background who are having these great

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Speaker 4: success And you needed only look to that seventies show

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Speaker 4: and see Fez on that that show, and and you,

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Speaker 4: of course doing everything you did. We talked a little

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Speaker 4: bit before we started this about these kind of crazy

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Speaker 4: interwoven paths that we've led, and uh, Freddie, when you

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Speaker 4: were in town working with Robert, because that's where we work.

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Speaker 4: We worked with Robert Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: The leads of his Yeah, lead Robert and this.

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Speaker 4: Part and and uh, when l Ray started, there was

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Speaker 4: From Dusk Till Dawn and Matador, which the two original

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Speaker 4: programs that were premiering their inaugural year, and you and

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Speaker 4: I were the leads of those, and so we did

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Speaker 4: a bunch of press together and all came through and

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Speaker 4: and then uh, but of course Freddy did Planet Terror,

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Speaker 4: and one of my best friends from high school was

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Speaker 4: your standing. His name is Nicholas Signs, and he was

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Speaker 4: your standing no way man, So there was.

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Speaker 2: A that's so crazy.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's a small world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just talking of today. I told him

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Speaker 4: I was going to see you. And so I don't

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Speaker 4: know whether you remember Nick or not. He he certainly

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Speaker 4: remembers you and always always uh sung your praises. So

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Speaker 4: we yeah, all all roads do lead.

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Speaker 3: To uh and and and you know, to to your point, brother,

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Speaker 3: one of the things I want to I want to

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Speaker 3: start by giving you some consistent flowers first and foremost,

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Speaker 3: because you know, I think we rarely happened to be

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Speaker 3: in the same room together to kind of make sure

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Speaker 3: that we we tell each other that we see each other,

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Speaker 3: that we support each other, that we uplift each other,

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Speaker 3: and that we we got to be part of each

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Speaker 3: other's journeys and you know, and and we bonded over

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Speaker 3: the fact that we didn't have that growing up in industry,

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Speaker 3: right we were the one Latino in the room, you know,

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Speaker 3: and none of us were allowed to be in the

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Speaker 3: same shows together, in the same movies because they just

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Speaker 2: There, you know.

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Speaker 3: And the idea that we needed community and that we

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Speaker 3: could have used that community to say, hey, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're all walking in the same direction, how do we

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Speaker 3: how do we set each other up for success? And

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Speaker 3: all that stuff is something that we really wanted to

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Speaker 3: cultivate it more. When I first I remember when when

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Speaker 3: Robert was casting Matator, you know, and Robert Rodriguez had

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Speaker 3: lunched a network called the l Ray Network, which was

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Speaker 3: kind of all Robert Rodriguez universe collided into one d yet.

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Speaker 4: All the shaw Scope Kung Fu pictures, that's right, all

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Speaker 4: of you know, all of the Escape from New York.

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Speaker 2: Riding and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: Stuff that was anything that basically what he was playing

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Speaker 4: in his office while he was thinking of he programmed

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Speaker 3: And he wanted to do this show where it was

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Speaker 3: gonna like a Gina Latino James Bond, right, and he

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Speaker 3: he was also at the same time it's going to

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Speaker 4: And the lucky for me, Wilmer was already tasked the

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Speaker 2: That already playing in the backy.

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Speaker 3: My my, My point I'm making is that the search,

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Speaker 3: you know, and when Robert is looking for someone, but

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Speaker 3: for something in someone, the show is not gonna give

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Speaker 3: began for the lead of this like Latin Flair James Bond.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the budgets were dope, you know, so like that,

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Speaker 4: I remember very clearly around that time, I fired my

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Speaker 4: first agent in town because they didn't think that they

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Speaker 4: could get me in for that. I remember this. This

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Speaker 4: was in twenty twelve. I was with a small boutique

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Speaker 4: seen my wife. She was she was really good about

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Speaker 4: she'd always find she was getting the breakdowns from something

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Speaker 4: someone was letting, letting her have their password to get

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Speaker 4: the breakdowns. She's like, baby, there's this part they're looking

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Speaker 4: for Latino James Bond. You'd be perfect. And I mentioned

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Speaker 4: it to this agent and they're like, well, I think

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Speaker 4: they're already kind of maybe finding their people. You might

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Speaker 4: there and then that this wasn't the place for me.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not the kind of person that kind of

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Speaker 4: goes behind people's backs. So I decided that I needed

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Speaker 4: somebody else. So I did. I severed tized with them.

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Speaker 4: My grandfather passed away, I had to go back to Austin.

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Speaker 4: This was around Christmas time, so I went back to Austin,

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Speaker 4: no agent, having feeling, you know, is that the lowest

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Speaker 4: the low I could be because at that point I

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Speaker 4: was the oldest male in my family, oldest male in

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Speaker 4: all my friends in Austin really replenished my creative well

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Speaker 4: went back and my manager set up some meetings in

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Speaker 4: the first agent I met with, who I'm not with

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Speaker 4: them anymore, but they were really, really Uh. You know,

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Speaker 2: They saw you as you saw yourself, which is the.

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Speaker 4: Guy, you know, the ground wire, the center of the

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Speaker 4: And uh, and I'm in that meeting. And then shortly

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Speaker 4: shortly after the meeting starts, you know what, there's this

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Speaker 4: one thing that Robert Rodrigue is doing. They're looking for

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Speaker 4: Latino James Bond. You'd be great for it. And I

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Speaker 4: was like, I already had decided, Okay, these people were

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Speaker 4: going with them. Within a couple of weeks time, they

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Speaker 4: got me the audition with Mary Mary Renew.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've been Hey, big shout out to Mary, big

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's actually she actually cast me in The Terminalists,

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Speaker 4: which I'm in right now, And she's actually she's now

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Speaker 4: has championed all of us and a great, a great

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Speaker 4: to read with Mary, I go in. Uh I met

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Speaker 4: to meet with Robert. So Robert comes in to La,

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Speaker 2: Did you you here are meetings or whatever? He goes, no, no,

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Speaker 4: as we all do. She's aeful person, but one of them. Uh.

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Speaker 4: So he he comes to La. He's staying at the

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Speaker 4: is like, Papa, this is the guy he should work with. Well,

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, well, you know, a few things

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Speaker 4: many times. The break would go all the way to

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Speaker 4: Pardo for the first time, who I love. I just

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Speaker 4: you know, of plays that I would do in Austin

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00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 4: that I get paid five hundred dollars for the entire run.

437
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: And and and now here I am full six month

438
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 4: engagement as the leader of this show, working in opposite

439
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 4: out for Lena, and there's a whole new new world.

440
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: Did you have to train hard for that?

441
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we trained a lot. We We trained with

442
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 4: a lot of professional soccer players first and foremost because

443
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: I had to kind of make that passable. And then

444
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 4: worked with Chick Daniels, who was this was kind of

445
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: the first.

446
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

447
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: It's funny because I'm going to see Arrn Terrorn, Tarrann

448
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 4: tactical Sunday who trains up all of the john Wick

449
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 4: because people. And then course worked and worked with so

450
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 4: many of the guys I'm working with now on the

451
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 4: terminal list. But as far as being on the gun

452
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 4: and working with with firearms and working with with various

453
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 4: weapons systems, I got to meet a guy named Chick

454
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: Daniels who's former FBI, who was our technical advisor on

455
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 4: Manador and who I worked with another two or three

456
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 4: times since then. So a lot of work at the range.

457
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 4: And then uh, we had former professional soccer players on

458
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 4: our team to fill out the makeshift that you know.

459
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 4: We were the LA Riot Right team, and we played

460
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: all the games down at what at the time was

461
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: the stub Hub Center which is now the Dignity Health

462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: Center where the LA Galaxy play, and so that's where

463
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 4: all we shot all the home games and we developed

464
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: a relationship there. And at the time Beckham was a

465
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: owner of the team, that's right, and so I got that.

466
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: Was a very pioneer moment for LA Soccer.

467
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: Was United States Soccer and Ben comes in and all

468
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: of a sudden, the league is feeling a little different. Absolutely,

469
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 3: people are going to the games. They were going crazy

470
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 3: and just it's it was insane.

471
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: And now we got a traffic coaches l A f

472
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 4: C versus LA Galaxy, and you know they get there's

473
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 4: just a and just the the the game itself and

474
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: the league itself, you know, messy and everybody over in Miami.

475
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 4: You know it's it's We were kind of ahead of

476
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: the curve at the time, and there weren't a lot

477
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: of soccer shows out there. I think that that was

478
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 4: a kind of a special legacy that that show has.

479
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: So you were pulling like double duty then high.

480
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 5: You were at one part of the day you're learning

481
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 5: how to shoot, you're learning, and then the other part

482
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 5: of the day learning how to become like a professional soccer.

483
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 4: I still have like a horrible turf toe on my

484
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: right foot from one take where I had to I mean,

485
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 4: it was a beautiful in this show. It's a beautiful

486
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: goal I basically, I basically, I mean where the spiders

487
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 4: make their webs man, I just just beautifully kind of

488
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: like curving, oh right, corner up the top corner man

489
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 4: and the and then the other take, I meg the

490
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 4: keeper and that one looks great too. But then there

491
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 4: there was one take where I went, I run all

492
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 4: the way down the field. There's about one hundred and

493
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 4: fifty some odd extras that they had to move around

494
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 4: the stadium to just show it, and then we can

495
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 4: kind of, you know, with v effects, they were able

496
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: to populate the entire stadium and but one of them,

497
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 4: I basically go to strike the ball and I just

498
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 4: dig my entire foot into the turf and I can

499
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 4: still feel it on my big toe right this is

500
00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 4: this is been twelve years later, still feel it and

501
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: it's just but but that that take is amazing because

502
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 4: it was just it's just it was just surreal just

503
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: to have the whole experience of that. And then go

504
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: up to the crowd and I grab one of the

505
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: red ree Riot flags and my nickname was the Matador

506
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: in the show, and so, uh so I take it

507
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 4: out like it's a you know, it's a cape and

508
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 4: then all my all my teammates come through with their

509
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: bullhorns and they're kind of, you know this this beautiful

510
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: kind of they overcrank the camera. It's this slow most celebration.

511
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: It's just all of this uh, really really fun stuff

512
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 4: that I had. This was my dream to do something

513
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 4: like this and to prove that I could carry the

514
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 4: show and not only do that, but do it over

515
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 4: the course of the of the season. HM.

516
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: It was a very special moment. The paradigm had kind

517
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: of like shifted, you know, and Rubbert had made such

518
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: a signal that he was going to make these Latino

519
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 3: stories feel larger than life, and that he was going

520
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 3: to do the Robert de Riguez thing, which is like,

521
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter who's on that screen. If he's a hero,

522
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: he's a hero, right. And one of the things that

523
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: I you know, reflect back to it, and I really think,

524
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 3: you know, I think back to in that moment, is

525
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: you know he saw something in you that he knew

526
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 3: that was going to you know, be a real resource

527
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 3: for healing for a lot of our culture. You know,

528
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 3: the way you command the screen, Gary, you should know

529
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: is so effortlessly powerful. And every you win on this

530
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: beautiful run right after that and you and by the way,

531
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: you haven't stopped like you've been consistently getting what you deserve,

532
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: like the parts that really showcase the beauty of the

533
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: craftsmanship of what you you know, what you've been able

534
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: to do, and and it's been beautiful to see that

535
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: in our generation this is possible, you know, the ability

536
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: that you have to create these characters and where they

537
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: really contribute not just to the story, but they contribute to,

538
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: you know, the overall lord of why you watch the show,

539
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: you know, And that's something like I just you know,

540
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: I've always try to tell you a little bit every

541
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: time I see you, but I'm so happy to tell

542
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: you that likes as rare as it was before. You're

543
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: making it feel so normal for everyone to just trust

544
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: you with the ball and trust our culture with the

545
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: ball in this way. And uh, and I think that's

546
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: something that I just I couldn't wait to tell you that,

547
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: And and think about the run that you had, like

548
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: because right after that you was it Agent?

549
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right?

550
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: Was that the next one that you were like?

551
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot there's a couple of things before

552
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: we move on from that, as far as like Matador

553
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: and what it what I carried with me from that, Uh,

554
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: first of all is a memory. Well, first of all

555
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: is that guitar, which is was Robert's guitar. Yeah, and

556
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: he used to play it. He used to play it

557
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: at the monitor, as he did does with every every

558
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: production that he ever is on. Yeah, you probably experienced

559
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: that don't planetaryer. I'm sure you guys are all experienced.

560
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 4: But it was this guitar which he gave me. And

561
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 4: now I've taken to every single set that I've ever

562
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 4: been on. Most people know me as the guy who

563
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 4: brings guitar to work and never leaves the set and

564
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 4: plays plays tunes for everyone. But the that was really

565
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: really special because after because the night that we shot

566
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 4: that you did your cameo was one of the last

567
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 4: nights of the shoot. And so when Robert wrapped, he

568
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: got in his Dodge Challenger, which ties into Agents for

569
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: Shield because that car is based off the nineteen sixty

570
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 4: nine Dars Charger, which is the car that Robbie Ray's

571
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 4: Ghostwrider drives as the ghost Rider, but Robert had a

572
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 4: version of it. So there's these moments in my career

573
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: that always been this kind of foreshadowing things of what

574
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: was going to happen. Unbeknownst to me they were they

575
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: were these kind of almost like.

576
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: Prophecies from the future, goes from the future, right like manifested.

577
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: So he got in his car, took the guitar. Uh

578
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: we wrapped at four AM. I got home maybe about

579
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: five five thirty, went to bed and I was like,

580
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 4: I think I guess he forgot about the turn. Oh

581
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: that's okay. He calls me at six fifteen in the morning,

582
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: maybe maybe six thirty, I don't know. I answered thankfully

583
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: that I answered because I saw it was him. And

584
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: he's like, he's like, gay, so so hiffy, I forgot

585
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: to give you that guitar man, And I was like,

586
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: oh yeah, well, oh yeah, I didn't know. I didn't

587
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 4: remember that. And then he's like, well, I have meetings today,

588
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna leave it at the conscairs at the

589
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: Four Seasons. Go pick it up whenever you can. Is like,

590
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: we'll do. So I go over there. I walk up

591
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 4: to the concierge. He goes back in the closet, grabs

592
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: the case. It sits right there and open. I open

593
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: it up. I look in sign and it's like pulp fiction,

594
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: just like shut and I close it up. I start

595
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: walking out the door and the concierge looks at me.

596
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 4: He's like hey, I'm like, yeah, old Mexican guy, you know.

597
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: He goes, are you a Mariachi?

598
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: I guess I go and I walk out the door.

599
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: My guitar case full of guns in the but no,

600
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: it was just that's that's that beautiful. And he's like,

601
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: you know what, string with black gut strings, which I

602
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: always do, and bringing to work like you always do.

603
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: And that's been with me ever since. But uh, in

604
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 4: the other memory mattered or before I before we move on,

605
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: at the castle at Robert's house, he hosts Barack Obama,

606
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 4: who was the President of the States at the time.

607
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: You were there that night. You and I had a beautiful,

608
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: beautiful time, good conversation and and uh you you and

609
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: I were part of the clutch to receive the president

610
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: enters the house, and you were talking about him showing

611
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 4: heroes as as he intends them to be seen, as

612
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: as they are as they appear to us in life,

613
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: which is in every shade and every shape and every face.

614
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 4: And and I remember when the President walks in, he

615
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: goes and he shook shakes all our hands, and I'm

616
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: there in my in this like gray suit that I

617
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: bought at the Salvation Army at one point that I

618
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: had Taylor, so it looked real nice. And uh, you

619
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: know what, that's not true, that's not the suit from

620
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 4: the although I did have that suit it's a freaking

621
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: beautiful suit. It sees my language. But this one was

622
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 4: actually one that I borrowed from set that I wore

623
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: in the show in Matador. It was a Hugo Boss

624
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: Taylor suit that I that I that fell off the

625
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: truck and belongs to me now. And so I go

626
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 4: up there, President shakes all our hands. It comes up

627
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 4: to me. Robert's like, and this is Gabrierlone. He's the

628
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: leader of our current show. He's the lead of our

629
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: current show. I'm already going into the Obama I personation.

630
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: You'd probably hear it. And he goes, He goes, and

631
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 4: Roberts like, this is this is what an American hero

632
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: looks like according to us, and how we want to

633
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 4: show it. And and the President looks for me. He's like, oh,

634
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: well he looks like a superhero, all right. Look at that.

635
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's a nice, great suit. You're lia be sharre.

636
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: I was like, thank you, Sarah, appreciate it. And he goes.

637
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: We proceed to take this beautiful photograph all of us together.

638
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 4: I go outside. My wife's in line with Danny. Danny's there,

639
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 4: Danny Trejo, who was always around, and we walk in

640
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: all the people outside had paid upwards of thirty forty

641
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars to be there meet the President the

642
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: United States. It was a fundraiser for the DNC. Coming

643
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: back inside, my wife takes a single with the with

644
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: the president. She's starting to walk off. I was like, baby,

645
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: come back for a second, mister president. This is my

646
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 4: wife's Smaranda. It was like, oh, great, this is your wife.

647
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: He's not getting a big head? Is he funny to me?

648
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: My wife's like, oh yeah. I was like, no, so

649
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: she's kidding. My head is firmly screwed on. He's like, well,

650
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 4: i'll tell you what if he is. You just talked

651
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: to Michelle. She's got some experience with.

652
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: That this guy. And by the way, it's like, this

653
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: is my life. This is imagine, like it's like your life.

654
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: And then you remember we had that discussion with him afterwards,

655
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 4: and I remember this was one of the times where

656
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: I was like, I wish Wilmer was native born so

657
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: that I can vote him into office to be the president,

658
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: because you were so impressive man, while I was so

659
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: kind of reserved, kind of didn't didn't you know, it

660
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: wasn't asserting, which I didn't assert myself in the conversation.

661
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: I was just listening. I was just beholding what was happening.

662
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: Wilmer was tip of the spear, front of the front

663
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: of the front of the platoon, asking important questions about

664
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: immigration policy and and and where are people are and

665
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: where are people need to be? And I remember looking

666
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: looking at you. I was next to you, and my

667
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 4: wife was here, and you were there just watching you

668
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: hold yourself in this way and and and in that

669
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: moment aspired to be that. So I'm thankful for that.

670
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: So I take that. I take my relationship with you,

671
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: and of course Robert and everyone else in the guitar

672
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: is what came from Mata. And then we move into

673
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: the future where well, I want.

674
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: To say some before we move on.

675
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, as as you were talking about him

676
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 5: and the stuff that you've been doing, you know, as

677
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: someone who's a little older than.

678
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 4: Both of you and looked younger than.

679
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 5: Uh, it's been wonderful to see you uh and your trajectory. Uh,

680
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 5: especially And what I love is that we've all worked

681
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 5: with Robert right, and so we kind of know what

682
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: his ethos is right, and a lot of what he's

683
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: done is that he has made latinos commercially viable, right,

684
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: And in our industry, I think at the end of

685
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 5: the day, all the people on the upstairs, all they.

686
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: Care about is whether we can make the money or not.

687
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: And he's created this platform where he puts people like

688
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 5: us at the forefront in projects that have themes and

689
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: revolve around certain aspects that proved that we could be

690
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 5: commercial or the project could be commercially viable.

691
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: And you're the face of that.

692
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 4: Right.

693
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 5: You're playing a soccer player who's like a James Bond. Right,

694
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 5: those are commercially viable themes, yes, and he could have

695
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: chosen anybody to play that, but he chose you, right.

696
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 5: And by choosing you, and by you doing the last

697
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 5: of us and you doing everything else that you've done,

698
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: you're showing Hollywood that you can be commercially viable. And

699
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 5: if you can prove that you can be commercially viable,

700
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 5: they're going to continue to in invest in people like you.

701
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: And that's what's been so wonderful about what Robert has

702
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 5: been doing. It's been so wonderful about what Wilma has

703
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 5: been doing, and and we just got to continue to

704
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 5: do that. You know, the next generation of Gabriel Luna's

705
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 5: and Wilmer and me and and and keep creating projects.

706
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: Like that so that we can keep proving that we

707
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: can make the money.

708
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely man. And and you know, and I think when

709
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 4: I think of you, I always think of I loved,

710
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: can't hardly wait. I watched the movie so much do

711
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: they say pop? And I was just like, but that

712
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: was the thing. It's like Freddie Rodriguez as this one

713
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: of the cool kids, you know, and with no specific

714
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: kind of framing of it or a reason why a

715
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 4: young Latino is in that position other than they are

716
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: in life. And that's just the way it works. And

717
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 4: I remember watching that thing. That's that's that's that's cool.

718
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: I like that. I want to I want that, you know,

719
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 4: and and you're and and that's the thing, man, It's

720
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: just when given, you know, use whatever resources you have

721
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 4: at your disposal, when given the opportunity to deliver excellence,

722
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: never quit. That's what he is, the last line of

723
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: rebel without a crew, of Robert's book, And that's what

724
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 4: is what we're all striving to do. And it's working.

725
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: It's working in a way that is not only commercially viable,

726
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: but is some of the best creative on on screen.

727
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 4: In the Last of Us. You have myself, you have Bedrol,

728
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: you have you have Isabella, you have Adiella bar you

729
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 4: have Danny Ramirez. You have all these people, and it's

730
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 4: one of the big shows, if not the biggest show

731
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: on the planet at right time, at this present moment.

732
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: The you have Diego and in and Or and and

733
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: and everyone in that show. You have Asa doing what

734
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 4: she's doing, and you have everybody now in this position

735
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 4: to where it is. It's just it's natural and and

736
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 4: that's that's just a great place to be, especially in

737
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: this moment where our culture is trying to another attempt,

738
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 4: another way that they're never going to They can never

739
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: snuff us out, no matter how hard they try and

740
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 4: how hard they try to otherise us or or remove

741
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 4: us from the equation. It's it's we're only growing not

742
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: only in populace, but also in uh in spirit and

743
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 4: exposure and in proof of our ability and our and

744
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: our success, the magnitude of the culture. It's just it's

745
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 4: just too too forceful, too loud, too vibrant to be

746
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 4: snuffed out.

747
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: To talk about this bionary moments. I mean bringing full

748
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: circle to the Shield, you know, you know, the Ghostwriter.

749
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, when that happened.

750
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 4: Twenty fifteen, that was the first Mexican American superhero especial

751
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: certainly of one of the bigger.

752
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: I mean Tempole care titles.

753
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: Yes, of course, and like one of the first times

754
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: that character is going to be brought to life for

755
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: this next generation. You know, I think that, you know,

756
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: I think obviously Nicholas Case had his quick run with that,

757
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, with that movie, but this was the most

758
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: the most relevant rendition of that character. I wouldn't be

759
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: surprised if you were brought to Doomsday at some point.

760
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: But we're not gonna we're not gonna talk about that

761
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: right now.

762
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: They might have ran out of chairs.

763
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: But but you know what, you.

764
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 4: Could put duct type on somebody else's chair who's already wrapped.

765
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: That's right, That's what I'm saying that. But it's gonna

766
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: die in the first ten minutes of that movie.

767
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: But but but I think to the point is is

768
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: that I remember when you were announced as a Ghostwriter, was.

769
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, there goes the neighborhood. It's like unstoppable.

770
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: It's like it was a really, really iconic moment because

771
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 3: the comic book world was like, finally we're gonna see this,

772
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: this character come to life and it.

773
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: Was a Latino bro.

774
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so bad.

775
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: I asked the way that and you came in and

776
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: you brought somethings so like, so not just that for

777
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: a list, but so necessary to that character. And that

778
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: was to me, that was the most exciting season in

779
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: the Shield legacy period.

780
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 4: It was a it was a shift. It was a

781
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 4: shift in the the trajectory of that show. That was

782
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: the maiden voyage of Marvel in television. Agent's Shield was

783
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 4: when it first started. Samuel Jackson, Colby, other other characters

784
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 4: who were in the movies were on the show, but

785
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: it had started to kind of slide and they didn't

786
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: know if they were going to get another season. I

787
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 4: remember they had moved the show to Tuesday nights, the

788
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: death Nail slot, Tuesday at nine, and they didn't know

789
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: if it was going to continue, and then I guess,

790
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 4: it's twofold. It's the it's it was the the addition

791
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 4: of the ghost writer character. Well, first of all, it

792
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: was the restructuring of the season to where it was

793
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: three different pods, where there were nine to ten episodes

794
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 4: of a twenty two episode season eight nine ten, three

795
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 4: different kind of stories that all intersect at the end,

796
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: and that first nine episodes was the ghostwriter segment of it.

797
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: They started the season that way and for nine episodes.

798
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I was essentially the lead character

799
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 4: of this network action Marvel show that as a new

800
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 4: as a guest star, but the way that the character

801
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 4: was positioned, the history of that character, the popularity of

802
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: the character, even though the version I was playing was

803
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 4: only in existence for two years at the time. Created

804
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 4: by my friend Felippe Smith, who we became very close

805
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: to home. Oh cool, who's half Jamaican, half Argentine, and

806
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: he's a beautiful He was the first American to ever

807
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 4: be published in Japan doing manga, so he's a very

808
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: very special individual who's certainly kind of kicked down his

809
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 4: own doors. And with the Robbie Rays character, they told

810
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: him he can do what they could do whatever he

811
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 4: wanted with the character, and the first thing he did

812
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: was take him away from the bike put him in

813
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 4: a nineteen sixty nine Dods charger because he'd loved the

814
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 4: fast in the Furious movies and it's probably the coolest

815
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: silhouette of any muscle car that's ever existed with the

816
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: big BDS blower. It's a four to forty HEMI in

817
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 4: it with another beat with a BDS blower on it

818
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 4: that makes it basically a nine hundred horsepower car. And

819
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 4: it's He's like, you know, I just wanted to. I

820
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 4: wanted to kind of piss people off, you know, or

821
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: provoke them. Make him a Latin, know, make him a

822
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: Mexican American, have him live in in hill Rock Heights,

823
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: which is basically the marble version of a Lincoln Heights

824
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 4: or Bull Heights. Have him be be possessed. We changed

825
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 4: it a little bit in the show, but in comic books,

826
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: possessed by the his serial killer uncle's spirit, you know,

827
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 4: the Satanic spirit, and him fighting against that at all times,

828
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 4: and being this father figure to his brother who's who

829
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: was a paraplegic, and all of these really cool elements

830
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: of the story that were not what the Ghostwriter character

831
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: was previously. Who was Johnny Blaze, the former stunt man

832
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 4: who who's so cursed. He's like, oh, this is a curse.

833
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 4: I hate this. I hate being the Ghostwriter. But for Robbie.

834
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: His life was already cursed. His parents were gone, he

835
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: was cursed by this spirit, his brothers in a wheelchair.

836
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 4: He's been thrust into this position of being this father

837
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: figure before his time, and the ghostwriter makes him powerful.

838
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: So it was this kind of different angle into that character,

839
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: and so we do it, and it's the It was

840
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: immediately received, well not immediately, because before anyone saw it,

841
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 4: everyone hated the idea. I remember a lot of people

842
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 4: hated the idea that there was a Mexican American ghostwriter.

843
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: Like everything, pretty much everything I've done, Terminator, the last

844
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 4: of us playing Tommy Miller's why is this guy doing it?

845
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: Until they see us do it?

846
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: Well, see how until they see you do it?

847
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: Let me just give you a little credit on that,

848
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: because because one thing is bringing a character and saying, hey,

849
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna make them Latino, although in those storylines they

850
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: were intentionally developed to be a Latino character, which, by

851
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 3: the way, it's why also it works. But then you

852
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: need someone to drive that grounded and bring it to

853
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: the masses in a way that not only makes sense,

854
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: but he lifted and he sores and it and it's free.

855
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: So like you brought something so unique to that that

856
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: they're like, undeniably they bought that new ghostwriter.

857
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: You know, that's just ky Woes.

858
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 4: And it was just incredible from start to finish. I

859
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: remember when I got the job. They I was at

860
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: mar I was in Marfa, Texas at a at a

861
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: film festival for a picture I did, trans Pacos. What

862
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: I did with another friend of ourtis Clifty Cliffy Cliffy

863
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 4: Collins Junior, Clifton Collins Junior, myself were in this picture

864
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: that great Quator directed, who he and his writing partner

865
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: Clint Bentley were just nominated for an Oscar for Sing

866
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: Sing for his follow up feature, his second one. His

867
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: first one was Transpatos, which I was a leader and

868
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 4: the uh. And I was there in Marfa at a

869
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: film vessel for this movie and then my team calls me,

870
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: uh and they're like, you know that part on Asian

871
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: Shield you kept turning down and I was like yeah,

872
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: because they had told me there was this part on

873
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: Asia Shield. There was a guest star role. And this

874
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 4: is right when the Marvel thing was heating up, and

875
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I don't want to get

876
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 4: cast in a guest star role as a as maybe

877
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: an agent or something else. And then I'm just off

878
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 4: the board for everything else, and so I just kept

879
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: saying no. And then finally they're like, you know what,

880
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 4: you should probably go on the internet and look up

881
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: what's happening at at comic Con in a couple of weeks,

882
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 4: and I went on or in the following week, i

883
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: should say, and everyone is speculating about there's going to

884
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 4: be a ghost Rider in Agents of Shield because there

885
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 4: was all these buses that were wrapped at San Diego

886
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: Comic Con with these flaming chain and uh. And I

887
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: look it up and sure enough, the latest iteration of

888
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: the ghost rider was Robbie Rays, Mexican American from hill

889
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 4: Rock Heights in LA. And that they told me that

890
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 4: this is kind of the that I should look into this,

891
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: and I was like, wait a second. Everything about this

892
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: dude is a line with me. You know. He you know,

893
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: my mom was a fifteen year old widow when she

894
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 4: had me, and she's more so almost like a sibling

895
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: now in these days. I'm forty two, she's fifty seven,

896
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 4: and the uh and even even you know, I'd say

897
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 4: to the point where now I'm kind of the paternal

898
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 4: figure for the family. Yeah, take care of her, to

899
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 4: care everybody, my siblings, my grandma and uh and I.

900
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: But in this thing, he's this orphaned person who takes

901
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: care of his family, takes care of his brother whose

902
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: name is Gabriel, and and I'm just like, wow, this

903
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: is amazing. I didn't even know this guy existed. And

904
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 4: then they're like, well, they're gonna, you know, Jeff Lobe

905
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: and Jed Whedon and mow Tantroon Whedon, they're gonna call

906
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: you and set up this thing. And so I'm sitting

907
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 4: there trying to get internet and Marfa because it's really

908
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: you know, it's in the desert and all the internet

909
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 4: super spotty. I'm literally sitting in this house that I rented.

910
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 4: I can see we's going down the road. It's like

911
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 4: a one road kind of town. Finally get them on

912
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: and they they you know, they're they're like, hey, uh,

913
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 4: you should you know? Do you know anything about this character?

914
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I think I know. I was

915
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: trying to pretend that I didn't know. And they're like, well,

916
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: we'd love you to put down this one scene for us,

917
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: and if you could do that, maybe tomorrow tomorrow or

918
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: today or whatever. We'd love that and say no problem.

919
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: So I went to my my uh my screening just

920
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: buzzing because I was like, Wow, this is wild. And

921
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 4: then uh then the next day I I I rented

922
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 4: a room at the Thunderbird Hotel so that I could

923
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 4: because I wasn't gonna stay. I was gonna leave. The

924
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 4: following day. I was like, you know, I'll stay one

925
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: more day, get this tape put in, so i'd go up.

926
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: My friend Nick helps me. You're stand in, who's there

927
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: in Marfa visiting a friend of our? Uh But unbeknown

928
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: to me, they were having a day rave down at

929
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: the pool. So at my tame So in my tape

930
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 4: all you hear in the background is which is actually

931
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 4: kind of perfect because in my mind Robbie Ray has

932
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: kind of listens to this really cool kind of d

933
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: M kind of stuff. But I do the scene. I

934
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: sent it in. They called me the following day, they're

935
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: how fast can you get back to lam Well, I'm

936
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 4: coming in today. Flew in, went home, got dressed, went

937
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 4: to go meet them. Sarah Finn was casting, met the

938
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: entire production team, met their kids like and this was

939
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 4: the first sense of the family that they were, and

940
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: then then the kind of the kind of thesis statement

941
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 4: that they have, which is really they create this family

942
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 4: culture and they were really great at that, and that's

943
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 4: why the show was as wonderful as it was, and

944
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 4: the fan base feels very much a part of the family.

945
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: And and I went that was a Sunday. They called

946
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 4: me the next day to tell me that I got cast.

947
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 4: I was on set that Friday. So in seven days

948
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 4: I went from just not knowing what was gonna you know,

949
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: just I mean, you know, I'm just doing my thing.

950
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: I was at this film festival to being on set

951
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 4: as the Ghostwriter. As it's being announced at sandie O

952
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: Comic Con. Everybody Clark, Gregg, Chloe Bent, everybody Clark was.

953
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 4: They were all in San Diego on that Friday doing

954
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 4: the big hall Ah product presentation, unveiling the fact that

955
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 4: there was gonna be the ghost Rider. And I am

956
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: on set squashing a Nazi with my car and uh,

957
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 4: having that.

958
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: Time the time of my life.

959
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 4: And from one moment to the next, I go back

960
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: to my charity, look at my phone, and all of

961
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 4: a suddenly, every every person I've known for the last

962
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: you know, in my entire life. It just texted me

963
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 4: that this that they had announced that I was playing

964
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: this character, and uh, and that was a huge shift.

965
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: I mean it changed a lot in that moment. I mean,

966
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: Mattador was was certainly big in my life. And then

967
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: as far as just people around the world knowing who

968
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 4: I was, this was kind of the moment. This was

969
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 4: the threshold that I walked through. And uh, and then

970
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: we had Then all his left was make the show

971
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 4: and and we we made it. I got to work

972
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 4: with incredible people. We shot in l A. So the

973
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 4: first dude, the first I was so liked. For the

974
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 4: first five six years after Matador, everything was in LA.

975
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: I did that. I did Wikes City for ABC. I

976
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 4: did a True Detective here in LA. I did all

977
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 4: these and I thought, well, this is what's supposed to

978
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 4: be right naturally, this is what's supposed to happen. That's

979
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: why we move here. And everybody's like, no, bro, you're lucky.

980
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 4: At one point I did a picture called Gravy where

981
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: I walked from my apartment in Hollywood to Siren Studios

982
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: every day with my guitar in my hand, my other guitar.

983
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 4: This is before Robert baby, this before that, and then

984
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: oh no, this was this was I did have this

985
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 4: by then, and uh I got to walk to work.

986
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 4: It's crazy. And now, of course the world has shifted

987
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 4: and they're so you know, every opportunity to get we

988
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: have to try to bring work back here because there

989
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: is legacy talent in this town. In every department there are.

990
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 4: There are families of grips, There are families of families

991
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: of makeup artists, and and they have families that are

992
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 4: been here for decades that you can't just up and

993
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: move around, you know. They we need to bring it

994
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 4: all back. Speaking of family legacy families. Eric Norris was

995
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 4: one of my stunt drivers along with Eddie Brown, incredible stuntman,

996
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: stunt driver for for uh. And they taught me all

997
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 4: kinds of stuff they probably weren't supposed to teach me,

998
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: but you know it's kind of like, what do you

999
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 4: mean in terms of just just precision driving kind of things. Yeah,

1000
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 4: and uh, it's kind of an ass, you know. Now

1001
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 4: you guys know ABC, I don't know as forgive me.

1002
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 2: It worked out.

1003
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: There's still a lot. But Eric was Chuck Norris's son,

1004
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 4: and he is Chuck Norris's son. He's an incredible stunt driver. Yeah,

1005
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 4: and uh he he uh. He was really fun to

1006
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 4: hang out with. And that's another legacy family there in

1007
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 4: our business. And I used to tell him Chuck Norris

1008
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: jokes in the seconder in the second person, so I'd

1009
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 4: be like, you know, Eric, your daddy once got bit

1010
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 4: by rattlesnake and after seven days of excruciator in pain,

1011
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 4: the rattlesnake finally died.

1012
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 2: You know, this is Chuck Norris his house.

1013
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 4: This was Chuck.

1014
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: So when I was so, Eric grew this house.

1015
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, this is what I'm saying. You gotta tell

1016
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: them everything happens exactly. It's just intended to. It's crazy that.

1017
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: You had those things like really like geeking now moments

1018
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: like when when you because first of all, you were

1019
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: also a terminator.

1020
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Let's suppose we talk about that for a second.

1021
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: But the moment when you're like you show up and

1022
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, here is you know, ghost Rider's outfit.

1023
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: And you're like, damn the jacket, you know, or you

1024
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: show up to.

1025
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 3: A terminator you're like, there it is the you know,

1026
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: the the you know, the the chrome's called you know.

1027
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: I always say man like when when, especially with things

1028
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 4: like that, they're so iconic, Like with the with the

1029
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: ghost Rider, I had the horseshoe kind of insignia on

1030
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 4: the jacket, which was kind of the original design, the

1031
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 4: Gary Friederich design from the nineteen seventies comics that flipa

1032
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: rolled into Robbie's character. But I remember when I put

1033
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: that jacket on, it was like or when I put

1034
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: the the the the Air Force jumpsuit when I was

1035
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 4: playing the Terminator. You know, it's like there's moments where

1036
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 4: the character just snaps into your spine through the costume,

1037
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 4: you know, and and there's just these Yeah, the Terminator

1038
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 4: thing was another thing where it's it was kind of

1039
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: it was kind of forecast ahead of time because I

1040
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: remember doing the ghost Rider in the in the Charger,

1041
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: which made me think of Robert h in his Dodge

1042
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 4: Challenger when he was directing us. I was like, this

1043
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: is this is so crazy. And then I'm in there

1044
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 4: racing down the La River going just ridiculously fast and

1045
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 4: because this car was very powerful, and then I was

1046
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 4: and then I hear on the walkie They're like, oh man,

1047
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 4: this is like grease. It's like grease Lightnings, and I

1048
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 4: was like, I get on the walking. I'm like, you know, yeah,

1049
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 4: it is kind of like grease, but I'm getting more

1050
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: Terminator vibes, which is, of course the famous scene where

1051
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 4: Robert Patrick and the eighteen wheelers chasing Arnold and Edward

1052
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 4: is John Connor down the La River. Yeah. I remember

1053
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 4: telling Robert which you mad at or we were on

1054
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: the First Street Bridge, which is in the First Terminator

1055
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 4: where you first see the stop motion endoskeleton of the

1056
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 4: terminator after the eighteen wheeler explodes and it emerges and

1057
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: all the skin is burned off. That was on the

1058
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 4: First Street Bridge in La And I remember thinking of

1059
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: that when I was shooting that. I had to see

1060
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 4: him with James Kallis from Battlestar Galactor. We're both on

1061
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 4: this thing, and it's just kind of wild that it

1062
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 4: all developed that way, because sure enough I would be

1063
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: Jim Cameron and Tim Miller cast me as a terminator

1064
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen and we went shot the film.

1065
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: You're telling so many great stories.

1066
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 5: We're just going to take a slight pause and we're

1067
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 5: going to continue on the next episode.

1068
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: Stays Unful Part two two episodes Nice Part one, Part

1069
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: Want Part two.

1070
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 5: Baby Dos Amigos is a production from WV Sound and

1071
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 5: iHeartMedia's Michael through That podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez,

1072
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 5: and Wilmer Valdorama.

1073
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlson and Sophie Spencer Zabos.

1074
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Wilmer Valdorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,

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Speaker 5: and Leo Klem at WV Sound.

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Speaker 3: This episode was shot and edited by Ryan Posts and

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Speaker 3: mixed by Sean Tracy and features original music by Madison

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Speaker 3: Devenport and Halo Boy Our cover.

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Speaker 5: Our photography is by David Avalos and designed by Deny Holt.

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Speaker 2: And thank you for being there third Amigo today. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you, guys.

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Speaker 5: I was listening to more podcasts from my heart Visit

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Speaker 5: the ir Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you

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Speaker 5: listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 2: So your next week