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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Future production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show, Beavers. That's it,

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Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. Just beavers, straight up beavers,

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Speaker 1: whole time, A hundred percent beavers a hundred percent of

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Speaker 1: the time. Present Beavers, Beavers Part one, Beavers, Part two, Beavers,

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Speaker 1: Part three, More Beavers. It's all about beavers, our favorite

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Speaker 1: architect of the world. We're going to discover that not

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Speaker 1: only are they incredible animals just how they are constructed,

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Speaker 1: but how they construct the world around them and shape

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Speaker 1: the ecology and the environment, and they have had a

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Speaker 1: surprisingly large impact on human history. Discover this more as

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Speaker 1: we answer the age old question will God get mad

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Speaker 1: at you for eating beaver tails? Joining me today is

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Speaker 1: writer for American Dad and co host of Quick Question

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Speaker 1: with Soren and Daniel, Sore and Booie. Welcome, Hello, Hello, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. The way that you were

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Speaker 1: describing this episode, it made me feel like I was

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Speaker 1: walking down the street in nineties seventies New York and

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Speaker 1: just all these smut stores around me that are just

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Speaker 1: like beavers Part one. Beavers, Beavers everywhere, Beavers all the time.

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Speaker 1: That must have been what it was seven all beavers,

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Speaker 1: no questions, asked, Well, I'm talking about beavers because you

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Speaker 1: requested it. You asked for beavers. Yeah, I did. This

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Speaker 1: is uh, this is like I got I don't know

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Speaker 1: when it happened, but at some point my eyes were

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Speaker 1: open to the beaver and I was like, this is

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Speaker 1: the most important species in North America. I wouldn't and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it, and I had no

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Speaker 1: opportunity because no one wants to hear about beavers outside

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Speaker 1: of like these very specific circumstances. So I jumped at

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Speaker 1: the opportunity. When you gave me, you gave me an

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Speaker 1: animal to choose. Yes, this is the place for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: beavers are surprisingly important, and I think that they're maybe

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Speaker 1: like I don't know if goofy would be the right

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Speaker 1: word for it, but they're just very affable looking. They

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Speaker 1: don't look like, you know, it's not like a jaguire

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Speaker 1: keystone species right there. But here they are sitting with

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Speaker 1: their little paddle tails and buck teeth nibbling on some twigs,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, you're You're just a beaver, what's the

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Speaker 1: big deal? They wait, they walk is very funny. They

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Speaker 1: kind of lumber around and they did their tails too

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Speaker 1: heavy to even pick up. They got to drag it

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Speaker 1: when they swim. They're kind of silly looking because they

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Speaker 1: only swim with their back legs. They're real fun. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing elegant about a beaver. They're kind of scary. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen one in person? No? I haven't. I've

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Speaker 1: seen one. I used to work on golf courses when

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Speaker 1: of the golf courses in like these lowlands, these like

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Speaker 1: of like glacier ruins. But um, they they are huge,

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Speaker 1: looking because their teeth are like this bright bright orange. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they are not the cartoon beaver with the chubby cheeks

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Speaker 1: To be frank, like, you were right to be afraid

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Speaker 1: afraid of a beaver. There's been at least one fatality

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Speaker 1: from a beaver. A beaver, I believe, bit a man

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think you're gonna tell me that

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Speaker 1: Probably not. Probably not. Uh So, beavers are giant rodents.

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Speaker 1: eat some alfalfa. Ah. That's what they would say all

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Speaker 1: doesn't bother me none. So uh. There are two species

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Speaker 1: like beavers. I was pretty excited when I suggested this,

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Speaker 1: They're big. They're really and like their their body is

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Speaker 1: a little unnerving to see a big leathery thing behind them.

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Speaker 1: But like, they they're pretty tall when they get old enough,

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Speaker 1: So we definitely coincided with a giant, bare sized beaver. Uh,

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Speaker 1: usually they will build in a freshwater area. Rivers, streams, ponds,

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00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: and lakes are all candidates for beaver construction projects. Beavers

421
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: will create a wooden fortress right in the body of

422
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: the water. And this fortress where they sleep and they

423
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, raise their young and uh stay warm in

424
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: the winter, is called a lodge. So the dam is

425
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: basically just they don't like flowing water. One could say

426
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: they hate flowing water. They hate the sound of it.

427
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: The sound of it drives them to start building a dam. Uh.

428
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: And the dam will slow the flow of water such

429
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: that they have a nice serene, uh bucolic uh pond

430
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: for them to build their residence. We talked a lot

431
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: about their incredible memorial artery chomping teeth, and they can

432
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: use these to carefully cut trees at a forty five

433
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: degree angle so that they will fall down efficiently and

434
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: in a predictable fashion. And they use a bunch of

435
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: rocks as the base of their dam, and then they

436
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: use those rocks to way down the logs that they

437
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: stack up, and uh they use muddy grass to patch

438
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: up the wholes. So some real complex construction going on.

439
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: And while it doesn't completely stop the flow of water,

440
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: it slows it down enough that building a lodge is possible.

441
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: So beaver lodges are where they sleep, where they seek shelters.

442
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: Some of them can be fancier as a beaver ages

443
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: and gets more experienced, like more construction experience, their lodges

444
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: and damn building will get better and they might add

445
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: in like a dining room, maybe a foyer, uh you know,

446
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: maybe an al cove. Uh it's a uh. So inside

447
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: the lodge there's a raised floor above water levels, so

448
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: they actually stay nice and dry even though there's no

449
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: entry point outside of the water. So under the lodge

450
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: you'll have usually a couple of entrances, if not more,

451
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: but you have to dive under the water and swim

452
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: up through a tunnel to get into the lodge. And

453
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: inside it's raised up so they're dry, but nobody like

454
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: unless you're aquatic and willing to swim under this construction,

455
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: you cannot get inside at the lodge, so that keeps

456
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: them safe from most predators. And they also will create

457
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: a raft, which is a huge underwater mound of edible

458
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: sticks and logs. It goes so deep underwater most herbivorous

459
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: animals can't get to it. So during the winter, when

460
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: a lot of animals are suffering from malnutrition or lack

461
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: of resources. Beavers are all set up. They have this

462
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: great food supply that they can just kind of quickly

463
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: exit their little lodge, grab, go back in, warm up,

464
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: have a little cute little beaver time where they snack

465
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: on all the logs that they've stored up. Uh. And

466
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: so the only exception is like a novice beaver may

467
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: build a pretty pathetic lodge and damn on their first attempts.

468
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: It's definitely learning process. Usually young beavers will learn from

469
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: the older generations, but it is sometimes a little bit pitiful,

470
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: Like they'll put some sticks together and it immediately gets

471
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: washed away, which well, they don't have to they don't

472
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: always have to start from scratch. I mean, they're like

473
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: they'll find there are a lot of like um, abandoned

474
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: beaver lodges. But then a young beaver can come along

475
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this looks like a nice fixer upper,

476
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: and they can. And that's one of the reasons I

477
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: like the beaver so much that I think that home

478
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: renovation and monogamy are cool and that goes against the grid,

479
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: and I think that if we can start telling everybody, hey, listen,

480
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: these are actually cool aspects. These are character traits that

481
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: are really cool, then maybe everyone would think a little

482
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: bit more highly of the beaver. Who are you Tim

483
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: Allen and the popular nineties sitcom Bam Improvement. Does that

484
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: answer your question? Um? Yeah, like they I guess they's

485
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: some of them abandoned ones that they've torn apart, the

486
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: lodges they found wood in there. That's like a thousand

487
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: years like that. They just keep using these places because

488
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: like he's, beavers leave it when they run out of

489
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: food in a particular area. But then the benefit of

490
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: having this huge these like deep canals dug everywhere and

491
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: like these swampy areas is that as soon as a

492
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: beaver leaves, that place just reflourishes with all kinds of

493
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: plants and stuff, and the next beaver can set us,

494
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: set up shop and eat all over again. You're absolutely right.

495
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: In fact, communal beaver dams and constructions can last for

496
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: many decades. In fact, in Canada's Wood Buffalo National Park,

497
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: beavers have constructed a damn about a half mile long,

498
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: so that's just about under a kilometer and it's so

499
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: large it can be seen from space, which I just

500
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: love that. We're like, oh man, the Great Wall can

501
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: be seen from space. Human constructions and is just like

502
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: beavers are over here going like, hey, us to look

503
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: at what we made? Made this out? Would check this out?

504
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: Humans forget about the beavers. Don't forget about us. You're

505
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: trying to forget about the beavers again. Didn't you try

506
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: to escape on your little spaceships? Not this time. You're

507
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: not helping me make the beaver cool? Just a cool

508
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: war Sure, I've been doing it all wrong. So yeah,

509
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: they have been working on this construction since the nineteen seventies.

510
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: So this giant damn in would Buffalo National Park, it

511
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: is uh from the nineteen seventies, if not older. And

512
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: given that beavers only live an average of twelve years

513
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: in the wild, this is the work of about four

514
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: generations of beavers. So yeah, just they are absolutely capable

515
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: of these massive, massive construction projects. Sometimes it's multi generational,

516
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: probably passed on from one family to the younger generation.

517
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: Not only can they make huge dams that will cause

518
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: flooding and slow the movement of water, they can also

519
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: create canals to other ponds, rivers, and bodies of water

520
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: like you mentioned earlier. And they do this mostly out

521
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: of laziness because they don't as much as we think

522
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: it's cute to see them waddling on land. They don't

523
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: like to do that, so they will build a canal

524
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: from their pond to another body of water so they

525
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: can easily just like zoom right to another source of food.

526
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: Uh just like a like a like a beaver hyper loop. Uh,

527
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, suck on it. Elon the beavers. I just

528
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: love that beavers are such a bane to rich people.

529
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: They're flooding their golf courses, they're ruining their walmarts, their

530
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: constant reminders walmarts. Well they own the walmarts, right, we

531
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: go to the walmarts. They on the walmarts. But yeah,

532
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: like I love that they humiliate Elon Musk because they've

533
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: done everything Elon Musk says he's got to do, but

534
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: can't do. What are they so they they're just not

535
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: great walkers, right, Like, they just don't walk well on lands.

536
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: So is it that they're underwater they're just safer? Is that? Yeah,

537
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: they're faster, they're safer. Uh, it's easier, takes less you know, effort. So,

538
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: like to pull wood and vegetation from another place, pulling

539
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: it on land is a lot harder, you have course,

540
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: so that makes perfect sense. Yeah, it's way easier to

541
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: carry a whole tree underwater. Yeah, to try drag it

542
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: across the land. Yeah, it's like a beaver interstate or

543
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: I guess like inter inter pond, interpool, yeah, interpol. So

544
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: all these beaver constructions have a massive effect on the ecosystem,

545
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: which makes them a keystone species, which means a species

546
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: of animal that has a disproportion effect on their ecosystem.

547
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: So they are the biggest architects of the environment other

548
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: than humans, which you know, we have a disproportional effect

549
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: on our environment. But unlike the beaver's, uh, we're not

550
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: maybe taking into consideration biodiversity when we're doing it, not

551
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: that the beaver's really like sat down and thought about it,

552
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: like we're going to be environmentally friendly, Like we we

553
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: want to build a dam, and we want to build

554
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: a big pile sticks in the middle of the pond,

555
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: but we're going to do it in a way that's

556
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: like helpful. All I do like that, that's it's almost

557
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: not even fair, Like we are basically this not to

558
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: get too philosophical, but but that we are basically this

559
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: parasite that we treat the earth kind of like a

560
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: host where we just sort of like take, take, take,

561
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: and and the beaver, like the beaver is relentless, like

562
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's cutting down trees all night. Face value

563
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: of beaver does the sound great. It's damming up water

564
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: so it keep water can't get to certain areas. It's

565
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: cutting it on a bunch of trees at night. It

566
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: sounds like, oh, yeah, okay, I can relate to that.

567
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: That's what people do too. But no, like what they're

568
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: actually doing is with these damns, they're creating these floodplains,

569
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: and they're creating these areas that now allow tons of

570
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: other life to sustain. Like all these other species now

571
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: are could come to this one area because now it's

572
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: much more lush and green than it ordinarily would have

573
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: been just a straight channel river or stream was like

574
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: flowing through it. And they're so good for the environment

575
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: that they don't even eat the other animals either. They're

576
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: just sitting there eating their sticks and they're content and

577
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: in their big lodges in the middle of winter. They're like, oh, muskrats,

578
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: would you like to come join us in our lodge?

579
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: And the muskrats like, yeah, I don't mind if I

580
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: do well, family of rats, would you like to live

581
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: in here too? And like these other they just these

582
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: they build these boarding houses essentially for other animals. I'm

583
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: just so mad, so mad that well, if it makes

584
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: you feel any better. From the trees perspective, the beaver

585
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: is the world the greatest villain. That's true. That's true. Yeah,

586
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: beavers and lumberjacks. So yeah, you're you're absolutely right. They

587
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: create these huge wetlands single handedly, or like single potted

588
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: lee single yeah, single tailededly. It's hard to decide ter

589
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: that job. All terrible puns here, folks, But yeah, so

590
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: they raise the water table, so that means that there's

591
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: more access to fresh water above ground. In addition, their

592
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: dams also filter out pollutants and helps slow the loss

593
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: of soil through erosion, and this can change the environment chemically,

594
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: like raising the levels of nitrogen in the soil, which

595
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: makes it more fertile and increases the biodiversity of plant life.

596
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: So beavers moving change up the water system and suddenly

597
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: you just have all these new speech use of plants

598
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: that are able to live there because the soil is

599
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: much more nutritious, there's more access to water above the ground,

600
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: accessible to plants and it's amazing. They just like make

601
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: it verdant and full of plant life. Um. This also

602
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: increases the number of aquatic life in the area, uh

603
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: that thrives in the calmer waters that beavers construct, So

604
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: things like snails and earthworms, dragonflies, frogs, even muscles, um.

605
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: And then once you get all of these little critters

606
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: into the pond, then that has a cascading effect of

607
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: inviting bigger animals in. So uh it increases like fish

608
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: populations like salmon and trout, lots of birds, especially aquatic

609
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: birds who love to come in and feast upon this

610
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: like little biosphere that these beavers have created. Ah and

611
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: uh it can even have like these really unexpected effects,

612
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: like increasing bat populations because bats like to often feed

613
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: around water, especially where you're gonna have a lot of

614
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: insect activity, and so you'll you'll have this increase in

615
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: bat populations. And it's just it's like kind of a

616
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: jump to get from like beaver cuts down tree, puts

617
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: the tree in water, and now you have more bats.

618
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, what's the problem. How is that hard to understand?

619
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: The beavers make bats beavers? Yeah, yeah, I mean, like

620
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing right, So like bats like Batman

621
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: is really cool, but really Beaverman would be uh would

622
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: be able to defeat Batman right by the laws of nature. Yeah, Beverman, Yeah,

623
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: I guess like beaver probably, I guess in this analogy,

624
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: I guess, um, you know what's his name? I was

625
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: gonna say Jeeves, but I know that's not right. Batman's

626
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: but alert Uh Alfred, yeah, Alfred right, yeah, Alfred. He

627
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: would be Bieverman, right, because Alfred is the one who

628
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: fostered uh Batman. Yes, so Batman, Bruce Wade wouldn't be

629
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: here without without without bank Alfred. Sorry, Bieverman. Beverman can't

630
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: believe I keep calling, keep blowing his cover. It would

631
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: be really funny to have Batman like putting on his

632
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: mask era and like putting on his coal and being like,

633
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to get in the car, and Alfred's like,

634
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: oh true forgetting something, Master Bruce, and he's just dressed

635
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: as a like I don't I don't know, I think

636
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: maybe not tonight. Could you could you at least lose

637
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: the teeth no muster booth that is an integral part

638
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: of my costume, and Batman just doesn't want to go

639
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: out with it, takes him out a couple of times

640
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: just to be like, well, it's like doing your ride

641
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: along with a cop. Like he's going to take him

642
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: out just to let him see the sights and let

643
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: him feel like he's being but like, really, Beaverman just

644
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: kind of gets in the way. I'm the terror who

645
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: slaps in the night. Do you have a warn for this,

646
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: Master Ruse, I told you not to use my name

647
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: most Bruce Batman Batman Master Bruce, I am so sorry,

648
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: but yeah, Beeverman much cooler than Batman. Um. They have

649
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: just an enormous impact on the ecosystem. Uh yeah, I mean,

650
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: like anything that has an impact on the ecosystem. They

651
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: can have a negative impact on some species, so uh,

652
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: animals that would prefer a fast moving river to a pond,

653
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: some migratory species of birds that want dense forests rather

654
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: than wetlands. They'll have a negative impact on their populations.

655
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: But in the balance, Beaver's increased biodiversity. So for every

656
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: like species that is not pleased with what they've done

657
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: with the place, there's like five others who are like, yeah,

658
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: this is great, we love everything. Just being a big

659
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: old swamp there's like when they want to reintroduce wolves

660
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: to an area in the United States, they're like, well,

661
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: are their beavers there, because like they need beavers there

662
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: first before like wolves can be reintroduced. It's it's like

663
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: they're connected to every other species and it's like it's

664
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: like a big game of um seven six degrees with

665
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon where they all lead back to the beaver,

666
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: but it just takes a little while to figure out

667
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: how to get there. How many degrees do you think

668
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon is from a beaver? I could figure it

669
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: out just one, right, It's just Bacon to beaver directly.

670
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: There's no he's no middleman. Yeah. I think it's probably true.

671
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: Beavers have a direct line to Kevin Bacon and him

672
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, yeah, they've got it. Was like, you

673
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: are you do you like Kevin Bacon? You like I

674
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: can get you right and ride in with Kevin Bacon.

675
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: I could fite him over. We could could be here

676
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: by two o'clock. He loves swimming. I'll just put some

677
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: put some logs on stoven. He'll come right over. Yeah.

678
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's there are an amazing example of how

679
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: it is definitely possible to drastically alter the environment without

680
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: causing a total collapse of the ecosystem, which is something

681
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: beavers have done. But humans, you know, m you know,

682
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: we we got we got a few light issues with

683
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: our like punching a hole in the ozone and papers

684
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you don't want to do that. Actually

685
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: you don't know that beaver. Maybe some more species will

686
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: really like this. No, that's not I'm pretty sure. No.

687
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: Have you thought about maybe just putting some sticks in

688
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: the water. That's pretty nice. We tried and it was

689
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: bull beaver. Well, when we get back right after the break,

690
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: we're going to talk more about the relationship between beavers

691
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: and people, and stay tunned until the end of the

692
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: episode because we will be revealing the answer till last

693
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: week's Mystery Animal Sound contest and giving you a whole

694
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: new mystery sound to ponder over beavers, beavers, and some people. Yeah, so,

695
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: beavers have had a very complex relationship with humans, going

696
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: back to ancient times. We have often used beavers towards

697
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: our own twisted ends, or thought of them as pests

698
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: due to the flooding that they can cause, which I

699
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: think it's sad. I like beavers. We hunted almost extinction. Yeah,

700
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: I think that's I know it is sad, right, it's

701
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: pretty sad. Uh. If you have listened to some of

702
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: the older episodes of this show, or if you've send

703
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: to Alex Schmidt's great podcast, Secretly incredibly fascinating the episode

704
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: on vanilla um, which I'm biased towards because I was

705
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: actually the gift on that one because he knew how

706
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: much I wanted to talk about beaver butts. You may

707
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: note that beaver anal glands secrete a musk that can

708
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: be used as artificial vanilla flavoring. Yum, yum, yum. Give

709
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 1: me some of that. But just imagining a farmer waking

710
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: up in the morning, you know, the sun's rising. He

711
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: goes out to the barn. It's filled with beavers. He

712
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: gets out a little tiny pale. It's like, all right, chompers,

713
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: it's your turn just expressing those glands. All right, let

714
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: me just get right in here, chompers. I know, I know,

715
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: it's uh. And they makes such fundl noises to beavers

716
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: do kind of like a Yeah. In medieval times, people

717
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: mistook the beaver's anal glands for their testicles, and because

718
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: in medieval times. Actually, people did want to use that

719
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: anal secretion called castoreum for a variety of things, uh, perfumes,

720
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: vanilla flavoring, probably an aphrodisiac. I actually don't know that.

721
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: It's just most animal parts, most like weird animal parts

722
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: where we're like, let's eat this. It's usually something like,

723
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, this, this will set the move some beaver

724
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: anal gland juice. H Is that what castor oil is?

725
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: Then no, castor oil is from castor seed, I believe,

726
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: whereas cast reum is the beaver butt juice. So but yeah,

727
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: in medieval times they thought castoreum came from beaver testicles,

728
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: and so there was a myth about beavers chewing off

729
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: their own testicles so they wouldn't be hunted. And gosh,

730
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: many monks sure tried hard to draw this happening. They

731
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: really did try. Uh. One guy said it like good

732
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: enough for us put in the books. Yeah, yeah, I

733
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: mean so I shared this with you. Sort of course

734
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: it'll be in the show notes. But it is a

735
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: picture of a hunter on a horse, you know, majestic,

736
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: beautiful stallion, and then a beaver. Uh it looks I

737
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: don't know, kind of like a dog. Yeah, and it

738
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: is chewing its own testicles off. That's the important part.

739
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: Its tail isn't quite what one would consider a beaver

740
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: tail to be. These kind of long, elegant lap back legs. Uh,

741
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: some kind of like sharp ears and yeah, then like

742
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: a little kind of like a whiff a whiff of

743
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: a tail. Yeah. I guess they're trying to show that

744
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: it's flat. It's not. There's there's not a lot of

745
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: beaver connection I'm seeing to this. And this is a

746
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: theme if you just google like medieval beaver drawing. Uh,

747
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: not many people past the test of you know, is

748
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: this a beaver to the to the credit of the monks,

749
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't think they understand genitals generally, because there's something

750
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: strange going on with the horse as well. And not

751
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: that I'm like that's the first thing, right, kind of

752
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: sounds like it, but you know, go on the horses.

753
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: The horses genitals and this picture are also very confusing.

754
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like curls. It's a little bit

755
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: of a sort of looks more like a note signature

756
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: or something on a piece of music. It's not really uh,

757
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, and not I'm not you know, not to

758
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: say like I would have preferred them to have lovingly

759
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: crafted a very realistic horse apparatus, but you know, yeah,

760
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: and they do have an interesting idea because like the

761
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: beaver is chewing off its own testicles, but the position

762
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: of it is like not quite physically speaking, since making

763
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: testicles don't look like they look more like labia major. Yeah.

764
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: It actually, you know what, if you didn't know they

765
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: were testicles, it kind of looks like an attempt to

766
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: draw the big beaver teeth. Yeah, Oh, that's the most

767
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: beaver aspect. You're absolutely right, that's the most beaver aspect

768
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: of this entire picture. Right, But those are in fact

769
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: actually testicles. Maybe that's why maybe they thought their teeth

770
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: were testicles. Man, med medieval guys must have been really

771
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: sick with something, so like it's like, yeah, that's what

772
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: that's what they're looking down. Yeah, that's what a normal

773
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: testicle looks like. That's what how they became monks. They

774
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: realized early on, this can't be right, this can't be right.

775
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go to a monastery. I don't think

776
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: this is right. I'm not gonna put any more thought

777
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: into it. This is just can't be it. Yeah, well,

778
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: in fact, you know, the not only do beavers not

779
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: chew off their own testicles. Testicles have nothing to do

780
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: with castrium. It is just the anal glands, the musk

781
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: that they use for territorial marking. Nevertheless, people throughout history

782
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: have tried castrium for a number of uses for the

783
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: treatment of ailments such as vertigo, flatulence, epilepsy, sciatica, hiccups,

784
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: and toothaches. Uh. None of these I believe have ever

785
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: been like backed up by any data that it works.

786
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: It was also thought to be useful to treat toxic

787
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: womb syndrome uh and hysteria in women, which were very

788
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: very real diseases and not things doctors just made up

789
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 1: to explain when like your wife didn't want to cook

790
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: dinner for you every night. Uh. I just love I

791
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: don't know, I love all the weird names we gave

792
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: to like women just generally not being super happy with like,

793
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, just women not like Yeah, get the general

794
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: displeasure of the system that was built for to put

795
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: them in a cage. So I'm saying, oh, I do

796
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: think I might like the right to vote. Sounds like

797
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: you've got a case of womb with legs. The case

798
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: of the flying womb. Yeah, because wandering womb syndrome was

799
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: another one which I don't I guess they thought the

800
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: womb went somewhere where it's not supposed to. But yeah,

801
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: so apparently, uh, beaver anal beaver anal glands good for um,

802
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: the disease that women would get when they were less

803
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: than happy with medieval life. Um. So probably the beaver

804
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: butt juice doesn't help with most of these ailments. But

805
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: it does have a chemical composition that includes solcilic acid,

806
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: which is from their tree bark heavy diet, which does

807
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: make it somewhat chemically similar to aspirin. So maybe there

808
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: were some legit uses for it, but disclaimer, like I

809
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't go around huffing beaver butt instead of just going

810
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: to the pharmacy and getting an aspirin. Although the way

811
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: things are going now, I just feel like that's going

812
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: to be the next thing. Right. It's like first horse

813
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: button medicine, now beaver butt medicine for like, you know,

814
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: for just anything, any weird thing we can try to

815
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: put in our bodies. Uh, as long as it doesn't

816
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: come in like, you know, a pharmaceutical bottle. Yeah, as

817
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: long as the Western medicine didn't create it. I think

818
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: that this is good. Good things like put away in

819
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: your brain. If you're ever in a hatchet situation. Yeah, yeah,

820
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: so you're out there in the world and you got

821
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: a headache, beaver, give it a shot. When you survived

822
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: the ordeal, come back and tell us. If a beaver

823
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: choose off your legs and it really hurts, grab that

824
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: beaver and rubb its butt against your face. You know,

825
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: it's only fair beaver causes the problem. Yeah, just like, look,

826
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: you took my legs, now I'm taking your butt. Glance. Um.

827
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: This is just kind of a fun little thing. In

828
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: medieval Europe, beavers were not even really considered mammals given

829
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: their aquatic nature, so their leathery, scaly, fish like tails

830
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: were not considered to be red meat. They thought this

831
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: is probably more like fish. So the Catholic Church allowed

832
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: people to eat beaver tails during Lent. What a weird

833
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: detail that they allowed to stay through history. Someone thought

834
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: to write that down at some point. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

835
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: we can eat beaver tails those that's pretty cool. I

836
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: just love that the Catholic Church just like all these

837
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: parishioners going like, well, What about beaver tails? What do

838
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: you mean what about beaver tails? Well, they're not really

839
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: red meat right there, kind of fish. Yeah, I guess,

840
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: so you can eat beaver tails. What about the fish

841
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: part of the beaver. Yeah, the fish part of the

842
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 1: beaver is fine, eat that. What about its head? No, no,

843
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: just the tail, that's the mammal part. What about its balls, Yes, okay,

844
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: you can do that. Obviously it's balls. I'm so sick

845
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: of answering these questions. Uh so. Yeah. Beavers were a

846
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: major force in the history of North America, both before

847
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: and after European colonization. Obviously, aside from the fact that

848
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: they created these verdant oasis is of bio diversity that

849
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: was very good for humans to be able to go

850
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,479
Speaker 1: and fish and live off the land. Uh. Beaver meat

851
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: was very popular among many American Indian tribes and nations

852
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: due to the fact that they remain well fed even

853
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: in winter. So uh, you know, they have that larder

854
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: of logs under the water that they have access throughout

855
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: the wind throughout the winter, so they stay nice and fatty,

856
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: whereas other animals might struggle more during the winter. So

857
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: for a hungry human finding a beaver. A nice plump

858
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: beaver during the winter would be a real real windfall. Now,

859
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: after European colonization, the fur trade was a major driver

860
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: of colonization and expansion. In fact, it was so profitable

861
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: and so popular that it was the cause of the

862
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: Beaver Wars also known as the French and Iroquois Wars

863
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: from around sixteen hundred to seventeen hundred. If you're wondering, like, well,

864
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: why were beaver pelts so popular? Were people just going

865
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: around with like furry hats all the time? Uh, you

866
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: could do a lot of modifications to beaver pelts. So

867
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: they would actually make top hats out of beaver pelts

868
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: by removing the guard hairs so it didn't look like

869
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: a fluffy beaver coat. They would, you know, remove all

870
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: the guard hairs and so you'd have this like tough

871
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: but very shiny like material that they could make a

872
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: fancy top hat. And so that's totally worth nearly driving

873
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: a species to extinction and taking over the land of

874
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: people who already lived here. Ah, yeah, to get your

875
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: shiny hats. Kind of what it boiled down to the

876
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: beaver pelt was there are a bunch of different hats

877
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: you can make like, um, the remember the Napoleon's type

878
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: of hat, like that kind of hat like there they

879
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: structurally held up very well, like they'd stick stick up

880
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: off the top of the head very well. And it's

881
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: just kind of like this nice felty material and hats

882
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: were I guess really important. Yeah, it was like we're like,

883
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: we went to war for hats. It's weird. We like,

884
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is oversimplifying it, but we drove

885
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: the Native American people from their homes partially because it's like,

886
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: we can make a lot of money out of hats. So, yeah,

887
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: I saw it. When I did look up Little sin Clark,

888
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: I was amazed to see how much there was, how

889
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: much they had written about the beaver, and it turned

890
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: out that, like Jefferson, there's just tons of it. First

891
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: of all, they did eat it a lot. The it

892
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: was like their favorite thing to eat along away. And

893
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: then they also, uh, they talked about it a lot

894
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: because because I guess jeff Jefferson was really interested in

895
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: the fur trade and like that was part of the

896
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: reason they sent them out there through this huge exploration

897
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: not only to see how far the rivers go, to

898
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: see how much land they had a mass but they

899
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: were like, no, we need to set up our own

900
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: fur trade, and so we need to find out how

901
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: many beaver we have. Yeah, this is this is like

902
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: one of the things that is frustrating to me about

903
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: how like American history is taught in schools, because like

904
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: I think, now it's not being whitewashed as much, but

905
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, when I was a kid, it

906
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we we needed to find a place

907
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: to escape religious persecution, and then so that's why we

908
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: all we have America now. And then as you learn

909
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: more about it, it's like we really wanted to kill

910
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of beavers and turn them into ass and

911
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: and so we like so we like drove them nearly

912
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: to extinction, like did a genocide just so we could

913
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: have our cool hats. All right, yeah, they're like, we

914
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: want to kill all these beavers, but there's all these

915
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: people in the way. Just move them or kill them,

916
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh yeah, cool, cool, cool history. Love.

917
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: It really really fun than when you're in elementary school

918
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, now you're the pilgrims, right,

919
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: fun now fun? Yeah. So yeah, due to the fur trade,

920
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: beavers faced near extinction. In the eighteen hundreds, beavers were

921
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: nearing extinction in North America and in Europe. The Eurasian

922
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: beaver population at one point dwindled to only about one

923
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: thousand individuals, So we were very close to losing the

924
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: best in the world. And I'm not even being sarcastic,

925
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: like without beavers there would be a lot less biodiversity,

926
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: a lot of ecosystems collapsing. So after the fur trade

927
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: became less popular in the nineteen hundreds, beaver populations recovered.

928
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: So now there are over one million beavers in Europe,

929
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: so not they didn't recover completely, but they did improve greatly.

930
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: And in North America there are over fifteen million beavers,

931
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: so that is quite an impressive recovery. Uh. Yeah, ecologists

932
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: know the importance of beavers as architects of biodiverse, fertile areas.

933
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: In uh A Kadian National Park in the US, in Maine,

934
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: the reintroduction of beavers to the area doubled the amount

935
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: of wetlands in only fifty years. So they're just incredible.

936
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: Like when we talk about like, oh, we want to

937
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: tear a form mars, like okay, put a bunch of

938
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: beavers on Mars. Then it always rubs me the wrong

939
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: way when it's like, yeah, we gotta go colonize Mars.

940
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: It's like, could we just like focus on one plan

941
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: at a time, you know, I'm amazed that they also

942
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: areas where they have a lot of drought. Like a

943
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: way that you fix that is you just send beavers. Yeah,

944
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: like they can fix it. Then they solve the problem

945
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: of drought, which is crazy because you know, you're not

946
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: getting any more rainfall or anything, but because they dig

947
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: such deep canals and and when they raise the water

948
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: table that also helps. It helps. Yeah, so like the

949
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: water sticks around a lot more and it's just love.

950
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I had too. Beavers are They're pretty cool. I feel

951
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: like we talk a lot about like, oh, we could

952
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: bring back the mammoth or like maybe more reasonably, like

953
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: we could bring back the passenger pigeon, which is not

954
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: as crazy an idea, but it's like maybe we should

955
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: just slow down and start putting beavers in more places,

956
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, like just calm down a little bit, start

957
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: punt beavers. Like before you know, we go to the

958
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: mammoth or the passenger pigeons because one of the problems

959
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: with de extinction is that we got rid of the

960
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: eco system that originally supported passenger pigeons, let alone a mammoth. Like,

961
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: we do not have the same territory for mammoths to

962
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: be able to thrive. I don't know if you've seen

963
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: North America recently, but it's not exactly a mammoth haven.

964
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: Uh So, like we always like these like cool ideas,

965
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: and then if you're like, could we just put more

966
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: beavers everywhere, You're like a boon nerd, you know, but no, seriously,

967
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: we should be putting beavers everywhere. We are still we

968
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: are sort of yeah, we're I mean they're doing some

969
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: of that, that's which is great. Yeah, just the humble beaver.

970
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Canada doesn't seem as dorky now,

971
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: does it with all their beaver emblems. They really do. Yeah,

972
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: they're they're embracing of weird animals like the loon and

973
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: the beaver. Is really inspiring to me. Yeah, because like

974
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: they're willing to look past the silliness of the animal

975
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: be like, look, this animal is important. Can we all

976
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: just be adults about this? Yeah? I wish you know,

977
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: because like in the US were like oh, Paul Beagle,

978
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: that's so metal, and it's like, yeah, no, I mean,

979
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: bald eagles are really cool. I love bald eagles. But yeah,

980
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: probably we should have gone with a beaver, honestly. Uh.

981
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: And there's I don't I don't know if you are

982
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: you are you planning to talk about the like areas

983
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: that are now flooding and everything because of beavers, like

984
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: residential areas that are flooding. No talk about it. Oh,

985
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: so this is very exciting that beavers are You're excited

986
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: for people being flooded beavers? Yeah, well, because you know

987
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: when we hunted the beaver to almost death, that all

988
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there are all these new like the

989
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: places where beavers I'll live the most. If you can

990
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: picture like a glacial region where a glacier went through

991
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: an area, there's mountains on both sides and then there's

992
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: a huge like horseshoe valley in the bottom of it,

993
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: and that's like where beavers thrived. And when we killed

994
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: off all the beavers, that just became grasslands, like dried

995
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: out grasslands, and everyone was like, oh, this is the

996
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: perfect place to build a city, This is the perfect

997
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: place to build a town, and and that's where like

998
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: golf courses go, that's where ranches go because there's so

999
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: much fertile and it's all fertile because beavers made it fertile.

1000
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: And so then when beavers are reintroduced or beaver numbers

1001
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: start coming back, they're building dams and anywhere that they

1002
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: hear water. And so when they're doing that, all those

1003
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: areas are flooding again. Everyone's like what the the beavers,

1004
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: and the beavers will do it in a night to

1005
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: like people will go out there. They're like, culverts are

1006
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: a big problem underneath roads. Where beavers hear the water

1007
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: in the culvert, they damn up the culvert and it

1008
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: just floods the road. And so the next day people

1009
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: will come and like remove all the dam and overnight

1010
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: the beavers will just build it again. Such hard work.

1011
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: I love this. I mean, like I feel a little

1012
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: sympathy for just like regular people living there. But on

1013
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: the other hand, this is rad It's the radical change

1014
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: that like we need in politics. Uh. I feel like,

1015
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of arguments of like how

1016
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: how do you actually protest capitalism? I think just being

1017
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: a beaver, you know, there's a there's a guy in Ontario.

1018
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: He's on Ontario. He's just this French Canadian guy who

1019
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: his for a long time. His job was basically like,

1020
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: you gotta get the beavers out of this one particular

1021
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: town or this area. And he was him hunting and

1022
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: killing beavers for a while and trapping them, but he

1023
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: was trapping other things because it's really hard to trap

1024
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: a beaver, end up catching like different herons and things

1025
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: like that, and he was getting really depressed by it.

1026
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: And then he was like, there's gotta be a way

1027
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: to work with the beaver. And he figured out that

1028
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: if he any area that was like a potentially could

1029
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: become this wetland area and they would end up flooding

1030
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: houses and things, he would put in the darts of

1031
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: what could be a great beaver dam, but with pipes

1032
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 1: at the bottom of it so that and then he

1033
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: would put um noise. He put it anywhere that he

1034
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: wanted the dever the beaver to build a damn. He

1035
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: just put a CD player that it was playing the

1036
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: sound of water. Yeah, because they're they're actually triggered by

1037
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: the sound of flowing water to start construction of the dam.

1038
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: And then they're triggered but the sound of leaks, so

1039
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: like if the dam is leaking, they'll go in and

1040
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: locate where the sound is coming from. It's like I

1041
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: hear the sound. I hear the sound. I need to

1042
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 1: pack more sticks where the sound is. It's a quote

1043
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: of living a house with like a leaky faucet where

1044
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: just like I can't stand it. I won't. I won't

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01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: live here having a beaver in the house and just

1046
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: just like a leaky faucet and you wake up and

1047
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: there's just a bunch of sticks in there. But by

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01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: putting the pipes at the bottom of it, what he

1049
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: can do then is that once they build the dam

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 1: in that area, if the water table ever gets too high,

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01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: he just basically opens up the bottom one of these

1052
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: pipes and like lets out a bunch of the water

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: and you can close it right back. That's perfect bottle

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01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: and sell that nice good beaver water, beaver purified water.

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01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: Just the tiniest bit of beaver piss. Yeah, just the

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01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: little just a little chef's kiss of beaver piss. But

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Speaker 1: I love that he's like figured out how to how

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01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: to work with him. No, it's we have to we

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01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: we gotta learn to live with the beaver. That's like,

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01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: it's it's so important to recognize the importance of beavers

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01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: because you know, we we talked about like, oh, it

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01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: increases biodiversity and this is good for the environment. I

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01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: think sometimes people get this perception that we're not really

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01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: part of the environment, so we don't have to you know,

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's nice in theory to care about it,

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01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,479
Speaker 1: but you know, we're not. You know, when we're talking

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Speaker 1: about biodiversity that doesn't really impact humans, but it does.

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01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: Oh it kind of kids. Yeah, oops, we're kind of

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01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, we're all we're in it. We're in the environment. Uh. Also, yeah,

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01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: now that it has actual like monetary um consequences, people

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01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: are like, oh, maybe beavers aren't so bad that they're

1072
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: like these ranches where there are droughts and then they're

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: looking for anywhere to put their cattle that actually has water,

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01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: and so like they'll find other ranches where they know

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01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: that beavers have like a presence there, and they're like, Okay,

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01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: can we send our cows to here ranch for a

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: while to go graze and eat and everything, because they're

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: like they're saving these ranches there by creating water tables

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01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: that are a little bit higher and again fighting against drought.

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: It is kind of sad though that it comes down to,

1081
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: like we have all these droughts and like the sky

1082
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: is orange and we're like, maybe we made a mistake

1083
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: trying to kill off the beavers. I'm trying to turn

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: the beavers into half. It was fun, I'll admit that

1085
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: shiny though. They were so shiny. Well before we go, UM,

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: I do need to reveal the mystery animal sound from

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01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: last week. So every week for this new season, I've

1088
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: been playing a little game with you the listener and

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01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: you the guest, where I play an animal sound and

1090
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: you've got a guess who's talking, and if you answer correctly,

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01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: and you write to me at Creature Feature Pod at

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01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: gmail dot com, Creature feature pot on Instagram, or Creature

1093
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: feet Pod, that's eight. That's something very different. On Twitter,

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: I will read aloud the names of the first three

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01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: people to guess the sound correctly. So, uh, as of

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01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: recording this podcast, actually nobody has guess the right answer

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: to last week's mystery animal sound, which is a first. Uh,

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: everyone's been pretty good at guessing things. So I raised

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: the difficulty level a little bit, and um, maybe raised

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01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: a little too high because it was a tricky one.

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: This is a tricky one. Um, I will just before

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01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: releasing this all oh, keep checking so if somebody gisses

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01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: it right, I will answert it. Here. Hello, it's Katie.

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm speaking through a robot since I had to add

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01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: this in last minute. Bee bee boop boop. Nobody guess

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01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: the right animal, but good hustle everyone, beep beep, death

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01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: to humans. Just kidding. So just to remind you and

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01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: for you to listen to Soren, here is the sound

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01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: from last week, and the hint was you do not

1110
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: want to get in a knife fight with this guy's yeah,

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, all right, so that was the sound.

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01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: So do you have any guesses? Yes, it's the frog

1113
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: that can, uh can send its own bones through its skin.

1114
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: That is so interesting because I had Ben bowling on

1115
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: last week and he guessed the same thing, and gosh

1116
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:06,520
Speaker 1: darn ittt but you're both wrong. It sounds like megafauna.

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01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: It sounds like something big. Maybe it is something big,

1118
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: but you want to hear what the answer is. You

1119
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: got any more guesses? All right? The answer is cassowary.

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: So I should have known that. Oh god, I'm an idiot.

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01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: I love the cast wary. I will go to the

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: zoo just to see the castle wary because they're so

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: piste off all the time. They're angry, angry animals. So.

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: Castwaries are large, flightless, blue faced ornerary birds with a

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01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: five inch long dagger like toe claw they can use

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01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: to stab you. They grow up to six ft tall,

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01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: which is about one eight meters, and they wave up

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: to one and thirty pounds which is about fifty eight

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01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: You do not want to get into a fight with

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01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: a cassowary. Uh. They are big living dinosaur wars. They

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: will destroy you easily. They're the closest thing we have

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: to a velociraptor in the modern world. And they have

1133
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: this prehistoric plate on the top of their head. It's

1134
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: so confusing and weird on the cask. Yes, and they

1135
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: are unlike testicles hanging from their neck, which is also

1136
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: very strange, like these wattles whatever those are. And they

1137
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,799
Speaker 1: are uh, super territorial, so like they're ready to kill anything.

1138
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: People get killed by these things in New Guinea all

1139
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,480
Speaker 1: the time because at the water to a cassewary's territory,

1140
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: they'll just come and eviscerate you with their toe. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1141
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: they live in a New Guinea. They also, of course

1142
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: live in Australia. Australia has always got to have a

1143
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: little taste of some of the most dangerous animals. Um

1144
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: and they produce the lowest frequency bird call in the world.

1145
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: In fact, sometimes they're rumbling. Territorial call is so low

1146
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: it's beyond the range of human hearing. Sometimes it's one

1147
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: of those things where like young like kids can hear it,

1148
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: but adults can't because as we get older, our hearing

1149
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: gets worse and worse. So like sometimes like a young

1150
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: person will be able to hear the sound better than

1151
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: an older person. Uh but yeah, so you know, it

1152
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: is of part of the reason that they can produce

1153
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: this lot very loud and low frequency. Is that prehistoric

1154
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: thinging on your their head that you describe, It's called

1155
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: a cask. It is a hard, keratinist, thin like protrusion

1156
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 1: on the top of their heads that is hollow with

1157
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: some sort of fibrous tissue on the inside that helps

1158
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: amplify these terrifying calls. It's yeah, it is definitely one

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01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: of those things. I mean, birds technically are dinosaurs. We

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: don't really think of them as dinosaurs. Um, but when

1161
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: you think about like a t rex or a velociraptor

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01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: and you hear a cassaware, you're like, oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,

1163
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: that's a dinosaur. Yeah, the relationship is much much clearer.

1164
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: You think about like, well, would it really be too

1165
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: scary to live in dinosaur times and you come face

1166
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: to face with the cassowary and it's like, yeah, no,

1167
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: it'd be bad. It's suck pretty hard. I encourage anyone

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01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: too that knows that they have a zoo nearby with

1169
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: the castuary at it is to go see that zoo

1170
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: in that cast a wary, because they look like they

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01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: want to murder everybody there. There never at any point

1172
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: or they like that's fine, I'm just in this like

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01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: all the other animals come to some sort of resignment

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: where they just sort of sit there and they there

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01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: in this cage, not the cast wary. The castwary will

1176
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: pace and look at you like it wants to kill you,

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01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: because it does. Heaven forbid, I haven't forbid. You have

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01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: other animals that like are wild? Are the wild at

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01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: the zoo? Like somebody squirrels or peacock's getting these individual cages,

1180
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: you will be in luck because the cast wary will

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01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: chase that and try and kill it. It's incredible. Yeah, yeah,

1182
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: it's uh. They are I think the most murderous uh

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01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: animal in terms of I don't even know if they

1184
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: have the highest kill rate. I don't think so. That's

1185
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: probably like the small black footed cat or something. But

1186
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: they certainly have the intent I think the most. The

1187
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: most blood lust of any animal I get just radiating

1188
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: off of a cassowary. I've changed my mind. No longer

1189
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: the beaver fan. I want a cast a wary. Between

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: getting shipped by a cassowary foot and getting my femoral

1191
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: artery severed by a beaver tooth, I don't know. I

1192
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: don't know what's what would be worse, but so uh,

1193
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 1: we have another mystery sound for you guys to try

1194
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: to guess for next week. Here is a hint for

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01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: this one. They may sound like a ringwraith, but these

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 1: passionate fellows have something other than Frodo on the mind.

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01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, so that's that's nice. That's cozy, relaxing

1198
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: nature sound. I love to relax with some nature sounds

1199
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: like right, before going to bed. And just so, so

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01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: when you got any guesses for who's talking, Yeah, I

1201
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: gotta guess. I'll bleep you out if you get it right,

1202
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: So don't hold back. Zebra, it might be a will

1203
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: to beat, but I think it's a zebra. It is

1204
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: not a zebra. I guess I probably shouldn't have said that,

1205
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,879
Speaker 1: but I guess that's another hint it's not a zebra.

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01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: So there you go, but very good guess. Uh uh.

1207
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: And of course I will reveal the answer to the

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: guests used talking contest next Wednesday on the new episode

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: of Creature feature Sore. And thank you so much for

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01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: joining me today to talk all about beavers. I feel

1211
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: like we could talk for hours about beavers. Just there's

1212
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: just so much to say. There's so much to say

1213
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: about the noble beaver. But so, where can people find

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: you to give you all their beaver takes? You can

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: find me. Uh well, First of all, you can listen

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: to my podcast with Daniel O'Brien. Um. We talked about

1217
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: animals very rarely, so if you're having an animal overdose,

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01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: you can come visit sounds dumb and boring, you can

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01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: visit uh quick question with Soren and Daniel and you

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: can also find me on Twitter at sore and Underscore Ltd.

1221
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: If you want to send in your guesses, like I

1222
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: said earlier, you can write an at Creature feature Pot

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, Creature feature Pot on Instagram, Creature

1224
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: feet pot on Twitter. That's eighteen. That's something very different.

1225
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: And if you are in join the show and you

1226
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: want to leave a rating or review, I do so

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. I read all the reviews and they warmed

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Speaker 1: my heart. Uh and yeah, thank you so much for listening.

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,679
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Speaker 1: guess what where have you listened to your favorite shows?

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Speaker 1: I don't judge, it could be anywhere. I um, that's

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Speaker 1: not my place to tell you where to listen to

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Speaker 1: your podcast. See you next Wednesday.