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Speaker 1: hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us Well,
Speaker 1: we welcome you once again to the Draft Show from
Speaker 1: the s TOWBC Mortgage Studios twenty eight days until a
Speaker 1: week convene in Nashville, Tennessee to start the process of
Speaker 1: trying to make our football team better. Brian brought us
Speaker 1: here with my scouting buddies, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Kit Garrison,
Speaker 1: Executive Producing Gentlemen. It's getting close slowly, but Shirley, a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks part of how that happened. I know,
Speaker 1: it sneaks up on you. Give me another month to
Speaker 1: work on these guys the other month. You don't need
Speaker 1: another month. You could do it tomorrow. Well, no, I
Speaker 1: could do it tomorrow. But this is the time. I'm
Speaker 1: a year where you know, the protein numbers are coming in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're looking guys, an athlete. You're looking at
Speaker 1: you know, guys from Sam Houston State and you change
Speaker 1: that kid from Preview A and M the other day. Yeah, Bell, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about the tape is not as good as the workout? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And we did that feeling foreseeable because he killed his workout.
Speaker 1: He did kill that workout. But yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: this is the time of year where I literally run
Speaker 1: into schools that I've never heard of before. Alderson broad Us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that one where was I ran into a school yesterday.
Speaker 1: Listen to the school. Tell me if you ever heard
Speaker 1: of the school Southwest Assemblies of God. I don't believe.
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. It's an n AIA school, sag
Speaker 1: he sag you, Yes, exactly, I've heard of that. I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had athletics. Folks to a private like like basically
Speaker 1: religious school growing up, So I think that's what that is.
Speaker 1: It's not no, they had an athletics. That's surprises. It's
Speaker 1: sag you. Yeah, I know, I looked it up and
Speaker 1: I had to figure out what sag you meant. But
Speaker 1: ask you this. They have a quarterback. They have a quarterback. Yeah. CJ. Collins,
Speaker 1: He's all right, c J. Collins, all right, tell me
Speaker 1: more CJ. Collins. Let's go on this Christian school. He's
Speaker 1: uh sixty three two ten, pretty good athlete, transfer from
Speaker 1: somewhere family mission. Guys. You know, I don't I just
Speaker 1: I don't know the back. I just know the tape.
Speaker 1: I've been done my background on him. Ye, I just
Speaker 1: didn't know watch the tape. I saw the numbers. The numbers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. That's why I need another month. The tape
Speaker 1: or the numbers intrigued me. So I want to watch
Speaker 1: the tape. And you know he's got an arm and
Speaker 1: he can make throws on the run. Uh, he's got
Speaker 1: some instincts to him. What kind of scheme? Uh gosh,
Speaker 1: what did they run? There was a shotgun spread, little
Speaker 1: zone red mixed in there. So you know, it's just
Speaker 1: so yeah, no, he does. Yeah. He he looks like
Speaker 1: he'd you know, be fine at at a bigger school.
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, you wonder why he's there.
Speaker 1: It's it's just funny. But you know, this time of year,
Speaker 1: you look throughout the NFL, it's full of guys for
Speaker 1: absolute great stories, great stories, yeah, and guys that slip
Speaker 1: through the cracks. And you know that's how priority free
Speaker 1: agents late round guys. That's how you fill out the
Speaker 1: back endy roster, and sometimes you hit on some of
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, absolutely well, speaking of hit on this roster,
Speaker 1: I want to get in today a couple of different things.
Speaker 1: Of course, we're always gonna have our staple Twitter around
Speaker 1: the twenty. We appreciate that. We always appreciate you getting
Speaker 1: your questions into David Hellman. I'll maybe grab a two
Speaker 1: off periscope. Always appreciate our periscope folks kind of falling
Speaker 1: along with us too. That's a quick way to interact
Speaker 1: with us. But I want to get into a couple
Speaker 1: of different things. I want to kind of go through
Speaker 1: who potentially for the Cowboys could be there at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about those names. I would like
Speaker 1: to like to kind of maybe put a little roadmap
Speaker 1: out there, try to narrow it down. I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: and narrow I'm gonna try and narrow it down a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think there's a lot of people out
Speaker 1: there that are kind of throwing names, and there might
Speaker 1: be I'm starting to see some mock drafts at people
Speaker 1: are something. Man. I know you guys get the same
Speaker 1: thing with from all the fans and you look and
Speaker 1: you think you're around early, you're around late. So I
Speaker 1: want to kind of get us some clarity if we
Speaker 1: can from the Draft show on who might be there
Speaker 1: at fifty eight, and if you're one of those teams
Speaker 1: that's right around when the Cowboys are picking there at
Speaker 1: fifty eight, I'm talking about you, the Philadelphiagles at fifty seven,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Colts at fifty nine, the Chargers
Speaker 1: at sixty, Kansas City at sixty one. You know, these
Speaker 1: are guys that you're potentially going to be looking at.
Speaker 1: So if you're a fan of one of those teams
Speaker 1: or your team is picking in that range, we just
Speaker 1: want to give you a little bit of idea who
Speaker 1: you might look at the second part of this as
Speaker 1: we finish up this show, not telling me more or
Speaker 1: anything like that or what am I missing, but I
Speaker 1: want to get into a possibility of maybe if we
Speaker 1: don't like what we're seeing, trading back. You want to
Speaker 1: do your broadest stuff. I like to do the my
Speaker 1: broadest stuff where I like to pick where the league
Speaker 1: wants you to be. I don't I like to pick.
Speaker 1: I like picks right, But I also want to go
Speaker 1: there's a couple of spots I would like to go
Speaker 1: to to see if you guys would be interested, and
Speaker 1: maybe after we have the conversation here, we can kind
Speaker 1: of determine that yes, we would like to move back
Speaker 1: or no, Brian, we need to sit right where we
Speaker 1: are and need to pick these players. So there's a
Speaker 1: couple of teams, actually three teams behind you, and I'll
Speaker 1: give you a little tease. Kansas City, New England, and
Speaker 1: Arizona are three places I'm looking at right now, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I can convince you guys to
Speaker 1: maybe move that direction if we have to, Okay, I
Speaker 1: like it all right, Dane Burglar, you've got your top
Speaker 1: one hundred. You've got this scene kind of wired. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have my top fifty up here pretty soon. I've got,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things that we're working on
Speaker 1: trying to finish this thing out. Give me an idea,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about some positions that can stretch. We've
Speaker 1: talked about the defensive line position, maybe the tackle, the end.
Speaker 1: We've talked about safety. We've talked about wide receivers. We
Speaker 1: potentially talked about tight ends. Let's go through position by position,
Speaker 1: and let's kind of give a little cluster of names
Speaker 1: that you might have and I'll see if we can
Speaker 1: if you and I agree on where these names need
Speaker 1: to be. Let's start with the defensive ends. If you
Speaker 1: could at fifty eight defensive ends. So Jaalen Ferguson is
Speaker 1: going to be an interesting player to watch. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is a potential Dallas thirty visit. So yeah, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have interest, Absolutely they do. We've that that much is clear.
Speaker 1: With Jalen Ferguson, who's the NCAA's all time leader in sacks.
Speaker 1: We've talked about him before a Senior Bowl guy couldn't
Speaker 1: go to the combine, had a rough pro day, at
Speaker 1: least in the short area. JILDI drills because you know,
Speaker 1: I thought he could have been a top forty, top
Speaker 1: fifty pick. Now maybe he is there at fifty eight. Now,
Speaker 1: I think he's somewhere in the top seventy five. So
Speaker 1: I think he's somewhere in that mix. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to be in the conversation of fifty eight for you,
Speaker 1: he's in, you know, I the three cones should give
Speaker 1: you pause, but yes, he's we talked about that. Last week.
Speaker 1: He's a speed to power guy. That's he's not necessarily
Speaker 1: a dip bend and go around you guys. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's at fifty eight. It's not bad value.
Speaker 1: Um you know what, I would think that he would
Speaker 1: be there for you at fifty eight because I have
Speaker 1: a third round grade on him. Okay, so I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that you're probably what are you more straight two or
Speaker 1: two three there on that I gat him late too.
Speaker 1: I have him and call You're kind of in the
Speaker 1: same LJ. Callier from tc another name worth knowing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably we're gonna get too much. As we liked LJ. Callier.
Speaker 1: He had his at the combine. He had a seven
Speaker 1: seven one in a three cone, so he was below
Speaker 1: average as well, and that's not too far off than
Speaker 1: what Jalen Ferguson did and these your pass rushers too.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had his pro day. I don't know yet.
Speaker 1: TCU is always like the first weekend. He need skate
Speaker 1: over there and eat some barbecue after that. By the way,
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, maybe check out the pro day too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, I think l J. Collier to that
Speaker 1: point is also in that mix. If we're talking pass rushers, Jayleen, Ferguson, L. J. Collier,
Speaker 1: and then if we want to you know Zach Allen
Speaker 1: from Boston College. Yeah, is he if we want to
Speaker 1: consider him an end over being a tackle, He's kind
Speaker 1: of in that Tyrone Crawford mold who uh you know?
Speaker 1: Zach Allen's was six four two eighty yes, uh five,
Speaker 1: little athlete, you know, not going to test overly well,
Speaker 1: we know that, but position flexes, run defender. He's an
Speaker 1: instinctive kid. He can drop and play in space, and
Speaker 1: you know you feel okay with him. So I think
Speaker 1: those three names would be the main ones I've been
Speaker 1: talking about. Fifty eight Zach Allen. I have him as
Speaker 1: a solid two, and then I and then now you
Speaker 1: start to look at and I also have Callier right
Speaker 1: there into two. If I had if I had to
Speaker 1: pick a guy, okay, of the three Ferguson, Callier, and Alan,
Speaker 1: this is asking a question I'd probably know the answer
Speaker 1: to already. Who do you like is the best pass rusher,
Speaker 1: the pure the pure pass rusher? Dave, you have a
Speaker 1: guy in mind of those three guys that you think
Speaker 1: might be the best pass rusher of this group, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna not so much my own evaluations. I have watched him,
Speaker 1: but I just I know from doing my job that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys like Callier, right, and so I leaned toward him.
Speaker 1: If he's if you think he's there, that's a question
Speaker 1: for you. That's what I was gonna get is you
Speaker 1: know you talk about two two three, Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: always love to say, well, this pick is really more
Speaker 1: like a third because it's late. It's six picks away
Speaker 1: from the end of the round, no question, So how realistic? Specifically,
Speaker 1: so you're telling me specifically, call you're an Allen, you
Speaker 1: think there's a better chance that they're gone. I think
Speaker 1: a better chance of probably not Ferguson being gone, call
Speaker 1: your which seems like to me that he would be
Speaker 1: the guy that would be gone. As we talk about
Speaker 1: those teams ahead of the Cowboys picking h it's tough
Speaker 1: with Yeah, you're looking you're looking at teams, Okay, If
Speaker 1: you look at the order ahead of you, Philadelphia at
Speaker 1: fifty three, and then you go Houston, back to back
Speaker 1: at fifty four and fifty five. New England now in
Speaker 1: the mix at fifty six, Philadelphia back at you at
Speaker 1: fifty seven, those are teams that always kind of look
Speaker 1: at those kind of rush guys like that. Are you
Speaker 1: saying it's different much like quarterback is, like teams will
Speaker 1: grab these guys out of whack if they feel like
Speaker 1: they have to exactly. And I think, Okay, we've just
Speaker 1: look at overall at the edge rush position, the top
Speaker 1: six guys are going to be off the board, the
Speaker 1: top tw he picks, Yeah, Bosa, Alan Montes, Sweat Rashaun Gary,
Speaker 1: Brian Burns, Cleveland Ferrell. Okay, and those six guys will
Speaker 1: be off the board pretty quickly. And then that's where
Speaker 1: it becomes a little muddy. Where's Jedi Polite go from?
Speaker 1: That's the next question I have, because Polite continues to
Speaker 1: do things to not make me want to draft him right,
Speaker 1: And it's it's funny because you know the timeline of Polite.
Speaker 1: You get excited about the tape in the fall, talk
Speaker 1: to scouts who tell me there's some character stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I put that out there. Florida fans are killing me,
Speaker 1: like what are you talking about. He's never been arrested,
Speaker 1: his teammates love him like has Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've just been told there's some stuff there and since
Speaker 1: the end of the season. It's all we've seen bumping
Speaker 1: his toe and not doing the right things, and he's overweight,
Speaker 1: he's not taking it seriously. There's immaturity concerns. So it's
Speaker 1: anybody's guess where Juchi Polite's going to fall. He could
Speaker 1: potentially be there at fifty eight. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: you have to it's a Ray Gregory situation, not for
Speaker 1: the same reasons. But this is gonna kill me to
Speaker 1: say that. You know me, I like the guy that's
Speaker 1: kind of a little nuts. Yeah, you do around. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but you know what, at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: i'd consider this guy. God, it sounds terrible to say Polite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is it? You're gritting your teeth, Dave and he I mean,
Speaker 1: we haven't said anything good about the guy since we
Speaker 1: started doing this show. Available, No the tapes, good tapes,
Speaker 1: Top fifteen worthy, but hope he's available at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: It's for a reason, yeah, obviously. Yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like what Randy Gregory available at sixty. Right. Again, different
Speaker 1: reasons why each would fall, but still there's reasons why
Speaker 1: heat would fall and reasons to be concerned. Okay, give
Speaker 1: me a defensive tackle at fifty eight. Well, it's funny.
Speaker 1: On my top one hundred board, number fifty eight exactly
Speaker 1: is Draymont Jones from Ohio State. See now, people a
Speaker 1: little nervous about that. Why, I think he plays very high.
Speaker 1: I think he's got his first step is straight up upright,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I mean, yeah, that's that's bad. It's clarity. Clarity.
Speaker 1: Clarity's always good in the war room. I think when
Speaker 1: his first step being straight up, a vertical player, but
Speaker 1: then he's so athletic to make up for that hiccup
Speaker 1: that he has in technique or a technique flaw, you know,
Speaker 1: so you kind of see him get washed sometimes. I
Speaker 1: hate that when defensive lineman get washed. I'm not really
Speaker 1: sure though, how strong he is. I think he's a
Speaker 1: slippery guy, but I mean a three technique, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what you want. You want a guy to get
Speaker 1: up the field, getting the gap. I think he can
Speaker 1: do that. But just why, I just worry about that
Speaker 1: that initial step being straight up and then then that
Speaker 1: message with your pad, level, that message with your hand.
Speaker 1: You can coach that, right though, I gosh, I hope so,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope so that's a tech the technical
Speaker 1: issue that you know, you would hope you'll be able
Speaker 1: to coach out of him because he's a really good
Speaker 1: athlete and no question about that. And he didn't test overly. Well,
Speaker 1: I was surprised, No, but he's on tape. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that in about his background. He's form
Speaker 1: a basketball player. Um, you know, goes Ohio State and
Speaker 1: he was a game wrecker you know as TCU fans.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's showing clips of that right now. Keke
Speaker 1: Garrison all over that if you're watching along with interception
Speaker 1: pick six. I mean he was constantly in the backfield.
Speaker 1: As soon as Nick Bosa went out that game with injury,
Speaker 1: Draymond Jones took over. So there's a lot to like
Speaker 1: about him. But again, another guy who's gonna if he's
Speaker 1: available with fifty eight, it'll be for a reason, and
Speaker 1: it's for exactly what you said. Yeah, he plays upright,
Speaker 1: he has struggles in the run game and even you
Speaker 1: know when he finds the ball in the run game
Speaker 1: he can it's too easily blocked. Ye, So he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the strength to overcome that. And eighteen on the
Speaker 1: bench press down bench presses isn't always the best indicator
Speaker 1: of play strength, but it matches up only eighteen on
Speaker 1: the bench, and you know he's not the strongest guy
Speaker 1: in the field, so it makes sense. Dave one or
Speaker 1: three here, I would say three, yeah, no, no, one
Speaker 1: or three if you're looking at defensive tackles for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Three always okay, Like this team has made it so
Speaker 1: clear that they're not interested in investing in space eaters,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of hard to argue with him when
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods was plucked off the scrap heap and played
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, I mean real, they got Comington, they
Speaker 1: signed from the tea. He's gonna play the one. He's
Speaker 1: got a sneaky good resume for a guy, no questions one.
Speaker 1: I mean it's good. Look at his that you know,
Speaker 1: you're always looking at tactics for sacks. His numbers are
Speaker 1: pretty good for a guy that's really not asked to
Speaker 1: play that position. You know, it's the three techniques and
Speaker 1: the edge rushers that get those stats. And he was
Speaker 1: doing it as a three four. And let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, though, Lawrence from Clemson, is that a stretch
Speaker 1: at fifty eight? And what ja Dave just told me
Speaker 1: as they probably wouldn't take him at fifty eight. I
Speaker 1: think it's a stretch, not only that he gets there,
Speaker 1: but also that they would want him. Honestly, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna make it though far you think
Speaker 1: he's in the forty range. I think he could go
Speaker 1: first round because he's such a freak. I mean, I
Speaker 1: need more production out of those guys. But Vitavea went
Speaker 1: what you're right, and you were you were, you were
Speaker 1: on VA as far as I'm not too sure of this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like the I like him my life traits, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I need more production. It's not taking a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: that earlier. I don't want to I don't want to
Speaker 1: backtrack too much, but I notice we didn't mention Anthony
Speaker 1: Nelson out of Iowa. Yeah, that because we don't think
Speaker 1: he'll be there, or we don't think he's worth it.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think I think he's more of
Speaker 1: a third round guy. Myself. I have a two three
Speaker 1: on him, elite two early three. He's right there in
Speaker 1: that middleh So he'd be in the mix for Dane.
Speaker 1: Go back to Dane's point, like, if you want Anthony Nelson.
Speaker 1: You probably aren't getting him at ninety danes trying to
Speaker 1: tell you got to go around early here. I believe
Speaker 1: I actually have him above Zach Allen. Okay, you're a
Speaker 1: pet cat Zach Allen. Yeah, I think he's a pet
Speaker 1: cat of the organization. Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing
Speaker 1: these thirty visits and seeing if Zach Allen's on that list.
Speaker 1: I bet he will be. Yeah, it'd be kind of
Speaker 1: surprising if he isn't. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about the safeties? Safeties? Now, this is another one
Speaker 1: that's kind of tough because the first safety might not
Speaker 1: come off the board until you know, after pick twenty five.
Speaker 1: So between pick twenty five or twenty six and fifty eight,
Speaker 1: how many safeties are going to be off the board? Atterly,
Speaker 1: even though he hasn't be able to work out because
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with an ankle, which brings up an
Speaker 1: interesting debate like should he have rested the ankle and
Speaker 1: not playing the Senior Bowl or should he you credit
Speaker 1: for playing the Senior exact? Yeah, and he I thought
Speaker 1: he helped himself in a bill, so you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's debatable. Taylor rap and Jonathan Abram, two players that
Speaker 1: we know this team is the Cowboys are interested in.
Speaker 1: I don't think either one. We've been making out of
Speaker 1: the top forty thirty visit guy though too, both of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna go up in this draft, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to go up a little bit right to get
Speaker 1: a guy like that, right. I actually I wrote about
Speaker 1: this like a week ago, maybe it was two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Is you can learn a lot by the thirty visits.
Speaker 1: But like when we when we say they do their homework,
Speaker 1: they really do. Like if you go back five years, like,
Speaker 1: there's always guys on these lists that are out of
Speaker 1: their range, with the one exception. No, not even true,
Speaker 1: because so the year they picked fourth, they brought in
Speaker 1: damn near every guy that went in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Sure they also brought in guys that didn't go till
Speaker 1: you know that back into the first round. Oh no,
Speaker 1: they're covering their base. So you know they could be
Speaker 1: bringing in Rap and Abram fully understanding that that's a
Speaker 1: pipe dream, but you still want to do your homework
Speaker 1: on those guys because you never know what's going to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: possible trade up target I take either one of those
Speaker 1: cats though, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely at any point
Speaker 1: in the second round. Yeah, I think don't think you
Speaker 1: can go wrong with either of them. It just after that, Okay,
Speaker 1: Chauncey Gardner Johnson from Florida, Deontay Thompson, Alabama, I mean Thornhill. Okay,
Speaker 1: Gardner Johnson, did I see a tweet from you? Some
Speaker 1: of the people are not sure where they're going to
Speaker 1: play him? Whether for me? Okay, maybe I saw maybe
Speaker 1: somebody was talking about that. Scouts are not sure if
Speaker 1: they're gonna playim at corner plaim at at safety. Say,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's some concern about that around the league.
Speaker 1: But I've talked to some Scots who said, I don't.
Speaker 1: I've seen him play free safety. I seen him, saying,
Speaker 1: watch a whole season in twenty seventeen and him playing safety.
Speaker 1: Would you would you feel comfortable drafting him at fifty eight?
Speaker 1: I would just just on talent? Yeah, talent alone. Then
Speaker 1: that's fine because this team might need cornerbacks next year anyway,
Speaker 1: and they definitely need a safety. Great observation. Bring him
Speaker 1: on and did some good for you. That Arizona Air
Speaker 1: did some good for you you're saying I wasn't smart
Speaker 1: before I questioned that is sometimes Yeah, you and I
Speaker 1: did go the same school twenty five years apart. Though,
Speaker 1: Bring bring him on and we'll figure out what to
Speaker 1: do with him later. I'd be all'll be on board
Speaker 1: of that. I mean, there's gonna be a glut of
Speaker 1: these safeties in that mix, because I think you have
Speaker 1: like a guy like Garnell Savage from Maryland who I
Speaker 1: like him. The only thing not to like about him
Speaker 1: he was really just a size you know, he's not
Speaker 1: the biggest guy but him Thornhill. I mean there's there's
Speaker 1: a group, there's a glut. I mean you talk about
Speaker 1: in the top ones, adderly Rap, Abram Thompson. Where's he
Speaker 1: going to go Alabama? Hopefully he's able to run and
Speaker 1: work out at a wrist the risk has been a
Speaker 1: problem for him. And then Thornhill, Garner, Johnson, Savage. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a good group of safeties there. I've got
Speaker 1: a money hooker in that group too, from my well
Speaker 1: you do is Thompson from Marshall myself? Yeah, is Deonte
Speaker 1: Thompson like the classic guy that gets lost in the wash.
Speaker 1: And then you know we hear his name real early
Speaker 1: because teams tend to know more about this than the
Speaker 1: media or no, or am I giving him too much
Speaker 1: credit because we're not talking about him at all? And
Speaker 1: he was a guy, you know, I didn't think we
Speaker 1: were talking about Adodly enough. I know, not for here,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying overall, like we don't talk about
Speaker 1: him because we just assume he's not possibility. Well, there
Speaker 1: was a time where Thompson when we first got into this,
Speaker 1: there was a time where Thompson was the top guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think media at a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: media were way too high on Thompson. Yeah, talking about
Speaker 1: now and after the first month of the season, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a top ten pick the way he's playing, But
Speaker 1: you watch him in October and November and he's play
Speaker 1: clearly tailed off a little bit, So you know, he's
Speaker 1: not a top ten guy, but he's still talented. Um,
Speaker 1: he's just trying to figure out what to do with him.
Speaker 1: He's not the biggest guy, and that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: big question because he's over six one the only hundred
Speaker 1: ninety five pounds. Was he gonna run? How's he gonna test?
Speaker 1: John Tay Thompson is going to be an interesting one
Speaker 1: to follow because he could easily slip to outside the
Speaker 1: top fifty picks if he does. Yeah, you got a
Speaker 1: decision to make her right there, all right, real quick,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the wide receivers here in a
Speaker 1: couple where for a couple of minutes, Dallas bringing in
Speaker 1: Hall from Missouri, right right, bringing in another guy too.
Speaker 1: So that's what they say. Who you got the word
Speaker 1: on the streets they're bringing in Debo. Okay, well Debo too.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that. I was just but hal
Speaker 1: Danes starting to hear some whispers. All is interesting because
Speaker 1: he's not the typical wide receiver that we thought they'd
Speaker 1: be looking for him. He could snatch it though we
Speaker 1: thought they'd be looking for more of a slot at
Speaker 1: right right. He's more of your Z your outside guy,
Speaker 1: and like speed to burn. I mean, there's no question
Speaker 1: about routes are impressive to watch. Yeah, he'll get behind
Speaker 1: the defense, he'll stock corners with ease, accelerate, decelerate on command.
Speaker 1: It's just with him in the biggest and like he's
Speaker 1: a top one hundred talent, no question, right, But you
Speaker 1: just wonder if we worry about his ability to stay
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, he's got a lot of lower
Speaker 1: body muscle injuries, is growing his hamstring, things like that.
Speaker 1: Team's day question is competitive toughness. You know, can he
Speaker 1: can he tough fen out and a lot of times
Speaker 1: in Missouri he wasn't able to do that. And so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still
Speaker 1: available in Day three, if he makes it to the
Speaker 1: fourth round. But the Cowboys, if they're interested late third,
Speaker 1: that would make some sense for them. Dave Hellman Derek Dooley,
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at Missouri. You think the calls are going
Speaker 1: back and forth there on this young man, I would assume. So,
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't leave here with bad relationships. I
Speaker 1: would imagine. You know, the Cowboys love to call Nick
Speaker 1: Saban to ask for his opinions about Yeah, why not
Speaker 1: give Derek a call? And that's what these top thirty
Speaker 1: And by the way, I hate saying top thirty because
Speaker 1: it's not top thirty players. It's just thirty players. Thirty players.
Speaker 1: They're thirty invite guys. It's it's a chance to get
Speaker 1: to know these guys back. You know, there's some workouts.
Speaker 1: It's just it's literally sitting down with coaches, getting them
Speaker 1: know them better, talking about XS and o's, but also
Speaker 1: about life and you know what they're all about. So
Speaker 1: that's why you're bringing in a player like Emmanuel Hall
Speaker 1: who has some of these question marks. You can get
Speaker 1: some medical stuff done, you can get the interviews done,
Speaker 1: you can you know, throw them, they're show them throughout
Speaker 1: the building and just get to know the person a
Speaker 1: little bit about breakfast with Dave and I exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, anything more other than the
Speaker 1: medical stuff that I'm worried about him, any off the
Speaker 1: field stuff that I need to know about. Well, I
Speaker 1: think the off field it all comes into the same.
Speaker 1: Does he care toughness here? Is he going to push himself?
Speaker 1: Is he going to be a guy that's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: loves football enough. You know he's he's a trick guy,
Speaker 1: and so does he love football enough where he's going
Speaker 1: to really push himself and be a grinder And that's
Speaker 1: the biggest question with him. All right, very good? Well,
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Speaker 1: jump right in with well, it's not it's not really news.
Speaker 1: It's what we would call fake news from m D.
Speaker 1: He says, with the trade rumors involving Byron Jones and
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, is they're a cornerback in the draft that
Speaker 1: Dallas would be eyeing. What would compensation be for either
Speaker 1: of those two players? Can they afford to pay Byron
Speaker 1: next year? Which? Yeah, and I and to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, the trade rumors are false. Rse rumors are
Speaker 1: bub kiss. Yeah, there's there were a couple of rumors
Speaker 1: that Byron Jones was on the block and then also
Speaker 1: that Jordan Lewis was on the block as well. I
Speaker 1: will just in the interest of making interesting radio, though,
Speaker 1: like teams lie and just because he's I mean, that
Speaker 1: could be completely false today and could be completely true
Speaker 1: two days before the draft, right, I don't really buy
Speaker 1: it right now they're not on the trading bride put
Speaker 1: it that way. Yeah, I don't really buy it. I
Speaker 1: don't to answer the question like I don't like, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna get for Jordan Lewis? Really no offense
Speaker 1: to him. But again, like players lose value as soon
Speaker 1: as they turn into players instead of draft picks, pick
Speaker 1: one you'll get from Arizona fifth round pick from Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: would you do that? Well, if you're not going to
Speaker 1: use him? Yeah, you know what about Byron See? I
Speaker 1: wonder if you could get maybe a second round pick? Yeh,
Speaker 1: I think that would be more more downline because you
Speaker 1: got some flexibility if you if people think they've seen
Speaker 1: him play corner, they've seen him play safety. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's an opportunity to add a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: if you feel like that. But we keep talking. Dane
Speaker 1: just did a great job of telling me, hey, there's
Speaker 1: plenty of safeties there, and if we got to it,
Speaker 1: he would tell me there's plenty of corners there too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the problem you run into and strikes me as
Speaker 1: a trade that you wouldn't do before the draft, because
Speaker 1: then you're basically saying, we're drafting a corner. We have
Speaker 1: to have a cornerback, and that doesn't seem smart. But
Speaker 1: you used the word sneaky just it's a sneaky kneed.
Speaker 1: It's a sneaky need. Stephen Jones, he told Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: told us that the combine he goes corner is a
Speaker 1: sneaky need for this football team. Anthony Brown's out of
Speaker 1: contract next year, so as Byron as of right now.
Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll have the money to pay Byron
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done with all these other contracts,
Speaker 1: No question, no question. There's also you know, you get
Speaker 1: Chris Richards sneaking out, working guys out, you know, worked
Speaker 1: out Vanderbilt Andanderbilt Joe one Williams, Joe one Williams. Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys know it. I love a segue, Paul says,
Speaker 1: I know, cornerback is a sneaky need. Would you take
Speaker 1: one at fifty eight? And if so, who you like?
Speaker 1: That's that's one of the ones we didn't dive into. Well,
Speaker 1: because it's not it's not that it's not flashing like
Speaker 1: a neon sign like they need one, they need one,
Speaker 1: but they could You gotta kind of think of traits, right,
Speaker 1: Dane fifty eight feels rich for me to take a cornerback,
Speaker 1: even knowing when there's a bunch of guys stacked in
Speaker 1: there in the third round, you kind of like, too right,
Speaker 1: I don't see corner might be the most appealing though,
Speaker 1: just from a who's their standpoint? You know, like they
Speaker 1: might get they're probably gonna wiped out, safety might get
Speaker 1: wiped out. Talked about the defensive lineman that could be
Speaker 1: there if those positions aren't looking as strong. But you
Speaker 1: have Joe On Williams there, um Isaiah Johnson, who you're
Speaker 1: he's just naming guys that have length, those tall guys,
Speaker 1: and that's and that's smart. The word coming out of
Speaker 1: Houston is that Isaiah Johnson hurt himself today. He did
Speaker 1: on his bench. He didn't bench at the combine bench today.
Speaker 1: He said he's gonna be okay, but we'll wait and
Speaker 1: seeing get a no Brian that's he'll push him down
Speaker 1: the board, get him in the fifth when he should
Speaker 1: go in the second. It's fine. One of my favorites,
Speaker 1: Sean Bunting from from Michigan. Not a bad player. I'd
Speaker 1: love him a fifty eight take him hang fifty eight,
Speaker 1: heartbeat man. I went you got him way down your boy? No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. I edited your write ups for the magazine.
Speaker 1: I saw it. No no, I no, no. Did you
Speaker 1: did you that one? You did? I did? No? No,
Speaker 1: go ahead and tell me more. It's fine. No, I
Speaker 1: tell you what my I wasn't. I wasn't that negative
Speaker 1: on him. I got he was just he was on that.
Speaker 1: He was at the end of the list. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm saying. Though he was towards
Speaker 1: the bottom of the of the guys. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Dane is not wrong about him. I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: admit this one. He is not wrong about this kid.
Speaker 1: Where do you have him? Going back? I had him
Speaker 1: in the second round. The bottom of the second round
Speaker 1: is where I had him. Actually, So let me see
Speaker 1: what at my notes and then I stand corrected. Are
Speaker 1: you sure that was my guy? Could say? I had him?
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's ye. I'm sorry. My notes here like
Speaker 1: it's taking forever to get to my notes. Bunting's he's
Speaker 1: over six foot, he's one hundred and ninety five pounds.
Speaker 1: He's he's a covering, clawber type of guy where he's
Speaker 1: gonna get physical impressed. He can shadow routes, he can
Speaker 1: run better routes than receivers can h and he's a
Speaker 1: former wide receiver himself. So I'm a believer in Sean Bunting.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be in that top fifty mix.
Speaker 1: If he's there at fifty eight, no brainer. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that people had a hard time getting away from him.
Speaker 1: It's kind of what I saw. He attaches himself to
Speaker 1: routes and yeah, that's it. That's kind of where I was.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I can't get my thing to work
Speaker 1: the right way. David, I'm sorry about I don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. But yeah, I just remember him and a
Speaker 1: lot of the and they played. They played some pretty
Speaker 1: good competition where he had some opportunity to play against
Speaker 1: some good guys and he wasn't Kentucky. If I remember
Speaker 1: watching the Kentucky tape, the was it Michigan State, Michigan State. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's Yeah, I have him in the bottom of the
Speaker 1: bottom of the second round for me, fire up chips.
Speaker 1: All right, I feel guilty. We're not gonna do tell
Speaker 1: me more today, So I'm gonna read a couple of
Speaker 1: these off from some fans. Uh. John wants y'all to
Speaker 1: tell him more of about Justin Hollands edge rusher out
Speaker 1: of Oregon. There we go. This is a this is
Speaker 1: a guy that that Rod Marinelli really likes. I really
Speaker 1: like him too. And yeah Arlington Martin guy Miles Garrett
Speaker 1: on one side, Justin Hollins on the other side. It's
Speaker 1: pretty nice combo. Yeah, it wasn't bad. Um, he's he's
Speaker 1: more of a conversion guy. You know. He's a stand
Speaker 1: up edge rusher. Whether that's what he did at Oregon
Speaker 1: and so he would drop in space, he'd rush off
Speaker 1: the edge. Um. I think he's a terriffic player. I
Speaker 1: think he's a terrific athlete. Love his first step. He's
Speaker 1: got some length to him. Um, six five, two fifty.
Speaker 1: I'm a believer in Justin Hollins and so if I
Speaker 1: can get him in the fourth round, yeah, yeah, I got.
Speaker 1: I got tipped off again. One of the great things
Speaker 1: about working in this Uh, this building is the fact
Speaker 1: that you get to visit with people. And and again,
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli came out to me. He says, hey, you've
Speaker 1: seen this Hollands kid. And I said, I said, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't. Coach, he says, please take a look at
Speaker 1: him for me with six With six five two forty
Speaker 1: eight four four four is what I had on the
Speaker 1: on the speed for five still good? Okay, well that's
Speaker 1: what the speed. I mean. This guy is like you
Speaker 1: talk about some initial quickness off the snap. I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at my notes. Again, he gets up the field
Speaker 1: and extend the blocker. I could tell by the way
Speaker 1: he moves he's got some Ben to him. So that's
Speaker 1: where you know, even for a guy you think as
Speaker 1: a linebacker potentially linebacker already plays when you watch him play,
Speaker 1: he's got that ability to that. I say to Ben, yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. And then you know he will take
Speaker 1: on blocks in the on the edge hold his own.
Speaker 1: I thought he stayed in Night's jobs. Again, I use
Speaker 1: the word slippery through cracks and gaps. Plays with some
Speaker 1: intelligence is what I saw. I didn't getting fooled on
Speaker 1: any of his assignments. I like the redirection skills of
Speaker 1: this kid too with something. So yeah, I'm I'm I
Speaker 1: believe him. I put him in the I put him
Speaker 1: in the third round, is what I did. So yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely if you want to if you want a guy
Speaker 1: that is uh, you watch him on tape as a linebacker.
Speaker 1: You know he he's got some ed rush ability to himself.
Speaker 1: So I'm a I'm all for this guy. I hope
Speaker 1: I got this name right, and if I don't, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Aditya says, this is a great follow on Twitter. That's
Speaker 1: almost all I know about him. But Eastern Michigan's Max
Speaker 1: Crosby tell me more. So you're getting into this thing.
Speaker 1: SI fifty five. Really good athlete. He's he's very He's
Speaker 1: an angular athlete. You know, he's a lot of arms
Speaker 1: and limbs and you know, coming at you needs to
Speaker 1: he needs time in an NFL strength and conditioning program,
Speaker 1: like he needs time to bulk up, gets stronger. But
Speaker 1: he's a he's a local kid. Uh Collyville, h Collieville,
Speaker 1: believe right, Yeah Collyville. So he's uh, I know he's
Speaker 1: a guy that cowboys are interested. They're trying to get
Speaker 1: him to the Dallas day. So I'm on down. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna work out for the Cowboys before the draft.
Speaker 1: He's into me in that if the Cowboys want him
Speaker 1: that they probably have to take him the third round
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's gonna be a round for
Speaker 1: him in the fourth. Yeah, he's he's a net. I
Speaker 1: don't like that third four pass rush range along with
Speaker 1: Justin Hollands, along with some of these other pass rushers,
Speaker 1: so I can't get him with one of my compass.
Speaker 1: I would take Hollins over him, by the way, you would, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but danger right about the kid outside the box?
Speaker 1: Thinking here from Marcus love that we I think we're
Speaker 1: all fans on this program of Jalen Hurd. Yes, the
Speaker 1: Baylor slot. A matter of fact, he's on our cover
Speaker 1: of our magazine. He sure is. Yeah, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that later. Marcus says, could he possibly pull double duty here?
Speaker 1: Got a running back history at Tennessee? Or is that
Speaker 1: just firmly behind him? I think it's behind him. I'd
Speaker 1: say it's behind him too. I think I like running
Speaker 1: after catch though. It's fun to think after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like a dam running back when it gets
Speaker 1: the ball. Absolutely gazelle out there, Ye, can he say healthy?
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't seen him. He couldn't do the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, couldn't do the combine. Supposed to work out here.
Speaker 1: Hopefully the testing numbers are what we expect because he
Speaker 1: looks like a really good athlete on the film. Sure
Speaker 1: does so, pretty natural roget It's a former running back,
Speaker 1: Pretty natural in the slot. He did a nice job
Speaker 1: for Baylor, he sure it did. Would love to draft
Speaker 1: him at receiver, would probably not so much at running back,
Speaker 1: Michael says, speaking a receiver. Will the draft affect Alan Hearns?
Speaker 1: What do you see happening with him? He's one of
Speaker 1: the most Well, Okay, you asked the question what you're
Speaker 1: you cover this football team full time? Tell me about
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns. I think I've said this a million times.
Speaker 1: I think the thing people have to remember with Alan
Speaker 1: Hearns is these are not These are not black and
Speaker 1: white like you know, strictly stats, strictly ability. Like Alan
Speaker 1: Hearns us he's a great dude with a great attitude
Speaker 1: and a great work ethic. He keeps I keep billing
Speaker 1: him as the guy who's willing to do all the
Speaker 1: stuff that wide receivers don't like. To do. He's willing
Speaker 1: to block for you. Uh, He's willing to handle that
Speaker 1: type of stuff in a run first offense, and he's
Speaker 1: not going to do it with complaining. I think that
Speaker 1: goes a long way with coaches. I think he is
Speaker 1: a favorite of a lot of people in this building,
Speaker 1: and I think that counts for a lot. Having said that,
Speaker 1: he is making a pretty hefty salary for a guy
Speaker 1: who you're talking about is like your fourth wide receiver.
Speaker 1: So I'll be interested to see how that goes. I
Speaker 1: think Alan Hearns is going to be on this team
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. But if it falls to where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are are, you know, if they draft a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: particularly if they draft one with a somewhat large pick,
Speaker 1: you know, if they draft a guy in the fourth round, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that could spell trouble for him. But as
Speaker 1: of as of right now, I think I think he's
Speaker 1: beloved here. I think he's versatile. He can play in
Speaker 1: the slot, he can play outside, he can block, he's
Speaker 1: a good locker room guy. I lean toward thinking he'll
Speaker 1: be here. But if they draft a wide receiver in
Speaker 1: rounds two through four, yeah, five, Yeah, then I think
Speaker 1: that's something to watch other than the top three. Everybody's
Speaker 1: pretty much on notice, right Yeah, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you got what you got Coop, you got Gallup,
Speaker 1: and you have Cobb who are going to be here,
Speaker 1: and then after that, like you can't one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sell me on anybody. So I think that's something something
Speaker 1: to watch from the periscope. Dane uh de Cyber. I
Speaker 1: think I say that right, which is deeper in this
Speaker 1: draft class? The safety, the cornerback, the linebacker, and also
Speaker 1: interior offensive line seems to be deeper than tackle. Is
Speaker 1: that's the question? Deeper of safety, cornerback, linebacker? You want
Speaker 1: to rank those one through three if you can? Corner, safety,
Speaker 1: linebacker okay, probably been my guests. Okay, And then and
Speaker 1: then is it the interior offensive line deeper than the tackles?
Speaker 1: You can make that argument. I think tackles clearly better
Speaker 1: at the top in terms of being thought it's top
Speaker 1: heavy position. Yeah, um, but it's it's not a bad
Speaker 1: tackle groupment. But I think the guards, then we might
Speaker 1: not have a first round guard this year, but I
Speaker 1: do think the first round center. We got a two
Speaker 1: first rounds restaurants. But I don't know. I think that
Speaker 1: I think I would say it's pretty even. I think
Speaker 1: tackle and guard is both pretty average in terms of
Speaker 1: overall depth after you get past you know, the first
Speaker 1: two rounds, guys that you can find later on, like
Speaker 1: you know that guard. I really like you know, Deeter,
Speaker 1: if I get him the third or fourth, my guy
Speaker 1: Drew Forbes from southern eastern Missouri. Don combine guy like
Speaker 1: him in the fourth or fifth. So I think the
Speaker 1: guard position does stretch a little bit if if you
Speaker 1: don't get your guy early. Got you, Okay, Dave, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take this thing to break because unless you got
Speaker 1: a really good one there, and I know they're all good,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I want to give time for me
Speaker 1: to try and trade around here a little no offense
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Speaker 1: that out. Okay, as we speak, I'm looking at Okay,
Speaker 1: how do we feel about the way that the players
Speaker 1: were at two fifty eight? Do we feel good about
Speaker 1: the list of guys that were there at that spot?
Speaker 1: Really feel like we were reaching for guys real real quick?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, so we didn't cover tight end? Can we
Speaker 1: just throw out I mean, is there is there a
Speaker 1: list there that we feel all right about? I don't
Speaker 1: really think they would draft a tight end at fifty eight,
Speaker 1: but I mean bringing in Jay Stermberger for thirty visits
Speaker 1: Stermbergers or thirty visit fifty eight? A little too rich
Speaker 1: or just right? Or is it a it's the classic
Speaker 1: like if you want him and got to get him,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get him at ninety. Nope, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get him at ninety. So okay, Sternberger, Uh, anybody
Speaker 1: else jump out at you? Not a tight end? I
Speaker 1: mean yeah at fifty eight? Nah? No? Really? So that's
Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, if if again we you know RBS
Speaker 1: IRV Smith. I mean, but he's gone, he's gone, fans gone,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this of IRV Smith, of IRV
Speaker 1: Smith or one of those safeties that we were talking
Speaker 1: about wrapping those who's got a better chance of getting
Speaker 1: close to enough to you to make a trade up.
Speaker 1: I'm not trading up for a tight end. Gross just
Speaker 1: vomit everywhere, Okay. I'm just saying, just give me the name,
Speaker 1: give me a name, Give me who who is going
Speaker 1: to be there are those second round guys we just
Speaker 1: talked here. I'm trying to trade back. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: have a segment of that. Sorry, we're getting derailed. I
Speaker 1: only you derailed us. I would only do that for
Speaker 1: no offense, because I think he's he's a special combination
Speaker 1: of who gets close Dane. That's tough. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I would say, probably Abram, just because he's not a
Speaker 1: premier guy in coverage, you know, and so you know
Speaker 1: you can find run and hit safeties. Yeah, later in
Speaker 1: the draft, Okay, So I would say maybe it'd be
Speaker 1: Abram okay, um, but it wouldn't be shocked of his
Speaker 1: IERF Smith either. Okay. But on the I don't any
Speaker 1: of those three falling out of the top forty forty
Speaker 1: five now Okay, see that's what I'm saying. All right,
Speaker 1: let's try and trade this thing back then. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: that now that we've covered well, now that you now
Speaker 1: you've killed everybody's dream, Dave, I'm sorry. Dane Dallas currently
Speaker 1: holds two fifty eight. There's three spots I want to
Speaker 1: get to here if I can, I'll go through these
Speaker 1: if you want to follow along. So if we're setting
Speaker 1: the hypothetical here, this is all hypothetical. We're picking at
Speaker 1: fifty eight, and like you know, think back to twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: like at pick fifty six, Yeah, the last of the
Speaker 1: dudes we love has just gone, yeah, I mean evaporates
Speaker 1: some thin we can't we get. We get somebody trade,
Speaker 1: somebody trades right, or somebody takes a player right in
Speaker 1: front of Zach. Zach Allen goes pick fifty six. I
Speaker 1: named all those guys in front of you. If Philadelphia
Speaker 1: at fifty three, they have a knack for doing that. Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: Houston twice at fifty four, fifty five, New England, no
Speaker 1: telling what they're gonna do. They're gonna take IRV Smith
Speaker 1: right there, and everybody's gonna flip out. I know, no
Speaker 1: a fan is gonna fall him in the first round.
Speaker 1: I know he is. And then Philadelphia, Yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 1: And then Philadelphia is right ahead of you get fifty seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we're thinking about this, if we want to back
Speaker 1: out of there, if we can back at there's a
Speaker 1: couple spots I'd like to land. Can I interest you
Speaker 1: in Kansas City at two sixty one? Okay? Now, they've
Speaker 1: got a couple of spots there. Two sixty one and
Speaker 1: two sixty three are spots there that I think that
Speaker 1: maybe you can get back. Okay, if you're following along
Speaker 1: at home. The two is the round, by the way,
Speaker 1: I assume, I assume you can put that together. But
Speaker 1: Brian forgets that scout. I do that my bad. When
Speaker 1: I do say the number, the first number is the round.
Speaker 1: The second numbers the pick. Okay. Two sixty one and
Speaker 1: two sixty three are currently owned by the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs don't hold a fourth round pick, but they
Speaker 1: hold pick three ninety three and five one sixty eight. Okay.
Speaker 1: Would you be no one that they don't have a
Speaker 1: fourth three ninety two, Yes, they're three nine ninety two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one. I mean, it's one pick in front. You
Speaker 1: were close. Wait wait, hang on here, three ninety two,
Speaker 1: I'd have three nine two is a Chargers and one
Speaker 1: pick off? One pick off? Yeah, on that one. Chiefs
Speaker 1: are ninety two, the Chargers are ninety one, Jets are
Speaker 1: ninety three. Okay, same difference. Okay, Well then okay, talk
Speaker 1: to me about that though. Talk to me about what's
Speaker 1: going on with the with that in Kansas? Say you
Speaker 1: interested in trading back? Actually, I love the plausibility of
Speaker 1: this because the Kansas City Chiefs don't have a pass rusher,
Speaker 1: you know, and so what makes teams go up, it's
Speaker 1: usually like impact players, right, Okay, So d Ford's off
Speaker 1: to San Francisco, justin Houston's off to Indy. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a long shot. Well and maybe not a
Speaker 1: long shot, but okay, I don't know who's a guy
Speaker 1: they You know, if if Anthony Nelson is sliding there
Speaker 1: or you know, that seems like kind of a guy
Speaker 1: that they would look at, wouldn't they Or a three
Speaker 1: four guy that they like? What are they going to
Speaker 1: give up to go go trade up? Well, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get I'm trying to get that third round pick
Speaker 1: from them again the number on that. Yeah, So that
Speaker 1: plausible to think that a team is going to give
Speaker 1: up their third round if they don't have a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick and they're trying to get a player, you know,
Speaker 1: and they've got two, they've got two second round picks, right,
Speaker 1: they're gonna move up three spots, give a third for
Speaker 1: three spots. That seems awfully ambitious. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: ambitious again because I say, because they don't have a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. But maybe they're trying to That make
Speaker 1: them even less likely because they're like, well, if we
Speaker 1: do this deal, we don't pick again until they've got two.
Speaker 1: They've got two second round picks. Yeah. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that extra second round pick is from the trade to
Speaker 1: the Rams. Marcus Peter straight, Marcus Peter straight. Right, it
Speaker 1: seems hard for me to believe that they're gonna give
Speaker 1: up a third round pick to essentially move three spots.
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. Okay, then, so Kansas City, you'd
Speaker 1: say would probably not be a trading partner with you then, right?
Speaker 1: But no, no, I didn't say that they just would
Speaker 1: you be willing to do that deal for an extra
Speaker 1: fifth Cowboys don't have a fifth right now? Or do
Speaker 1: they not? They don't have a sixth, so you could
Speaker 1: get an extra fifth? Yeah, is that not enough? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and hold him for that three. I
Speaker 1: don't not for three spots. I don't think it's happening.
Speaker 1: Is moving? Is getting an extra fifth to move down
Speaker 1: three spots a worthwhile trade if you, I mean, you
Speaker 1: run the risk of losing a guy, Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: feel good about who's there, like there was just a
Speaker 1: handful of guys that are kind of on a similar,
Speaker 1: you know level for you, Like, well, you're just one
Speaker 1: of them, will still be there when we pick exactly
Speaker 1: I mean, and you just might not love anybody at
Speaker 1: that point, which certainly possible at fifty eight, you might
Speaker 1: not love anybody that of any of your options. So
Speaker 1: is it is there enough depth in the draft to say, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll take a we'll take that fifth round pick. See
Speaker 1: I was trying to get I was trying to get
Speaker 1: that third to kind of get it where ours was
Speaker 1: ninety one. You can't predict this stuff to a t
Speaker 1: because again everybody remembers the Cowboys only got a third
Speaker 1: to drop to thirty one. That was a blown that
Speaker 1: was a blown just should have got a two out
Speaker 1: of that, Yeah, which you know, I would expect the
Speaker 1: chiefs to be smarter than that, but you never know,
Speaker 1: like if the guy you know reminds me of the
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence thing, like if the last guy that they
Speaker 1: have identified as somebody who can come in and rush
Speaker 1: the passer is sitting there, maybe maybe they would give
Speaker 1: up a three. But you can't bank on that. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a possibility because I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: to Kansas City because they've they've got two twos. And
Speaker 1: sometimes if you're there, you're thinking, well, we could just
Speaker 1: pick our guy here, and we could turn around and
Speaker 1: pick another guy, you know, force five spots later. I
Speaker 1: think just a quality for moving up, maybe getting ahead
Speaker 1: of somebody here. I think you're being awfully ambitious with
Speaker 1: what you think they'd be willing to give up. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about New England? Then New England will be interesting
Speaker 1: because they have a just a dad, you have New
Speaker 1: England's numbers and I'm now paranoid about the sheet that
Speaker 1: I used herefrom ly Okay, I have New England at
Speaker 1: two sixty four? Am I correct about that? They also
Speaker 1: pick a two fifty six, So they're gonna pick a
Speaker 1: player at fifty six two sixty four, three seventy three,
Speaker 1: three seventy three, three nine. God screw the Patriots, man. Okay,
Speaker 1: in three ninety seven three one on one, they picked
Speaker 1: freaking oh they picked twice in the second and three
Speaker 1: times in the third the worst. Okay, So now New England, okay,
Speaker 1: we interested? And yeah, any of them interested in all
Speaker 1: of their picks? Which which pick would you like to
Speaker 1: try and get from New England? Then if you're going
Speaker 1: back to two six sixty four, which pick would you
Speaker 1: I mean you said it, three seventy three, three ninety seven,
Speaker 1: three one oh one, I demand one of those third
Speaker 1: round compicks they have. They have ninety seven and one
Speaker 1: on one. I'm dropping what's that? I'm dropping six spots,
Speaker 1: five spots. I'd be comfortable given getting one on one
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, okay, six spots for one oh one,
Speaker 1: And I'm saying we're not interested in trying once again
Speaker 1: for seventy three. I don't think that's realistic. Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: wouldn't do though, Okay, do you think he would give
Speaker 1: up one on one? I think that's more realistic. Yea,
Speaker 1: they also have one thirty four because apparently they have
Speaker 1: every pick in this draft. That's right, they have one
Speaker 1: thirty four. That's a fourth round pick. Is that worthwhile? See?
Speaker 1: I mean I'm taking one on one if I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm taking ninety seven if I can get it, I
Speaker 1: think obviously you would prefer to have the third. But okay,
Speaker 1: so that's one, no, sorry, one, two, three, four or five.
Speaker 1: That's six spot. You're trading six spots. I think it's
Speaker 1: way more likely you get pick one thirty four out
Speaker 1: of that. I just in terms of like the value charge,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think it's more likely you could
Speaker 1: get that pick. Yeah. Let me okay's let me throw
Speaker 1: something at you. I'm Bill Belichick. I want to get
Speaker 1: up from sixty four up to fifty eight, so one
Speaker 1: six spots, right, what if I throw I don't want
Speaker 1: to get my compics. Okay, Okay, what I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: I'm gonna offer you is I'm gonna trade you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you sixty four and three, seventy three, four,
Speaker 1: fifty eight and ninety So basically you're switch swatching or
Speaker 1: swipt switching spot being the spots in the second and
Speaker 1: third round. So you're moving back with six spots in
Speaker 1: the second round, right, but in the third round you're
Speaker 1: moving up like seventeen yeah, seventeen sixteen, right, So would
Speaker 1: you rather have? Basically, what I'm asking is, would you
Speaker 1: rather fifty eight and ninety or sixty four and seventy three?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You know what, Why do the Patriots want
Speaker 1: to do that? They want someone really bad at Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in, I'm in. I mean, give me, give me, yeah,
Speaker 1: give me, give me, give me a player, give me
Speaker 1: a player. Sure, give me a player at sixty four
Speaker 1: and seventy three. Absolutely, you might lose a player in
Speaker 1: the second round, but you might also get a better
Speaker 1: play in the third round. Because nine ninety just bums
Speaker 1: me out, like it's so far down there, and I
Speaker 1: just this is just this is But if you were
Speaker 1: cheerleading for one oh one, I was, well, that's a
Speaker 1: straight swap, that's I mean, no, that's an additional pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not giving anything up. And like if you're doing
Speaker 1: a swap like this, I think it makes more sense.
Speaker 1: I just like pick fifty to seventy five. I just
Speaker 1: feel like four pro bowlers get drafted in that range
Speaker 1: like every freaking year. And that's just bias on my part,
Speaker 1: like that's my own head, but that's just the sweet
Speaker 1: spot I feel like where I want to I want
Speaker 1: picks in that range. So yeah, let's do it. I
Speaker 1: think I'm in on that too, Dane. I'd like to
Speaker 1: do that. I don't think it's realistic. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just depends if there's a player there that the
Speaker 1: Patriots would want. Yeah, I mean you can truly offer
Speaker 1: it though, of course, if there's a way to get
Speaker 1: their seventy three. That's what I was thinking. And you know,
Speaker 1: but you we were talking. If it was just a
Speaker 1: straight trade, they wouldn't do that, right, Would you move
Speaker 1: back to sixty four and add pick to go back
Speaker 1: to my point? Just you're just you're moving back and
Speaker 1: you get pick one thirty four, So now you pick
Speaker 1: at sixty four, ninety one, thirty four, one thirty six,
Speaker 1: oh and one twenty eight. I'm sorry, So you would
Speaker 1: pick three times in the fourth round, all within a
Speaker 1: span of about ten picks. He goes back to the
Speaker 1: is there anybody or who's there at fifty eight? You know, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is all because again the discussion we had, we
Speaker 1: tried to go through the names of the positions. What's
Speaker 1: your confidence level and I'm not talking about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: What is your confidence level that a player you love
Speaker 1: is going to be there? Because that's that's a coin flip.
Speaker 1: To be honest, It's not super high for me. No,
Speaker 1: I'd had the coin flip for me, just like because
Speaker 1: how much do you love polite? How much do you
Speaker 1: love polite? I don't yeh see, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But that he's a it's a first round talent right there.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing we talk about every year. It's
Speaker 1: a first round talent that's got issue, aren't we kind
Speaker 1: of which are we over? That? I meant to bring
Speaker 1: this in on the first segment. I thought it was
Speaker 1: really interesting. Stephen Jones didn't try to smoke screen at all.
Speaker 1: We talked to him at the owners meetings and he
Speaker 1: was straight up like yeah, like defensive line, like that's
Speaker 1: we're gonna be focused on. That doesn't really in like
Speaker 1: that's even you know, if they were to bring in
Speaker 1: a Robert Quinn or if they were to sign a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman sometime in the next month. I don't think
Speaker 1: it would change. I think they would still be looking
Speaker 1: at defensive line. Which to that point, why are they
Speaker 1: in such dire straits? Yeah, because a guy that they
Speaker 1: took a chance on, who was a first round talent, right,
Speaker 1: is not able to consistently be on the field for them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So no, I don't like that. I don't like it
Speaker 1: at all. Is New England so far the best option
Speaker 1: because of they are all the multiple picks that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: New England's gonna be the best trade off. Well, those
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be bouncing around. Yeah, we know. Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick likes to move around. Okay, whether he'll move up,
Speaker 1: he'll move down. So he's got the ammunition, and we're
Speaker 1: we're okay as a team here going to sixty four
Speaker 1: if we have to, again, depending on who's there. Sure,
Speaker 1: but is it but is it worth it to make
Speaker 1: sure that we get an extra player at seventy three?
Speaker 1: Not not necessarily an extra player, but a better player,
Speaker 1: a better player, That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: if if it's the best offer, if if we get
Speaker 1: as one on one and we get an additional player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't love it. But still if I'm that means I
Speaker 1: would have three players on the top one hundred and
Speaker 1: one picks. You know, I think a six again. You know,
Speaker 1: the swapping deal is fun. I like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: would love that, but I think it's way more realistic
Speaker 1: they do that though New England's a team that does that.
Speaker 1: Don't do they trade that they kick back at six.
Speaker 1: Those trades are becoming more and more than norm and
Speaker 1: I don't understand enough about it to get why. But
Speaker 1: I mean that is the the Saint Strait that they
Speaker 1: did for Kamara. I'm pretty sure involved this, you know,
Speaker 1: a swap where they moved up in the third that
Speaker 1: they gave you know, yeah, yeah, that stuff happens more
Speaker 1: and more. It seems like, Okay, I'm in for that.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. Okay, here we go, Dave, talk
Speaker 1: to me about Arizona. They owned three in my third round.
Speaker 1: We'd go to the third round. You just don't trust yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't trust no wreck in the second, first pick
Speaker 1: in the third sixty five four, one h three. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I'm those are the big ones. Okay, what's the fifth
Speaker 1: round pick there? One thirty nine, right, yeah, one thirty nine,
Speaker 1: and then the sixth round is one seventy four? Is right?
Speaker 1: You are right right? All right? Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: would you be interested in going back to Arizona at
Speaker 1: three sixty five to make sure that you potentially could
Speaker 1: have picks in the top of each one of the rounds?
Speaker 1: Tell people why you love picking at the top of
Speaker 1: each round so much. I just like it because I
Speaker 1: think there's a player that that you have maybe a
Speaker 1: round on their board. There maybe be a guy up there,
Speaker 1: did you have a second round grade on And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're in the third round and you
Speaker 1: grab that guy. If you have that, you're staying ahead
Speaker 1: of everybody in this in the in the way of
Speaker 1: the like, so you're able to pick off guys that
Speaker 1: you might have those like if you're in the third rounars, Oh,
Speaker 1: we get a second round grade on that guy. If
Speaker 1: I'm moving from fifty eight to sixty five, I need
Speaker 1: one h three to make that happen. Okay, And that's
Speaker 1: and that's a that's a valuable pick because that's a
Speaker 1: huge pick. It's the first pick on day three. That's
Speaker 1: right there. Get a whole you get a whole night
Speaker 1: to have people calling you about it exactly, and plus
Speaker 1: just going over in your mind. Okay, who's it's we
Speaker 1: set the board, who's our best guy available? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it. You have some options, so you know it's
Speaker 1: a yes, it's pick one h three, but it might
Speaker 1: have a little more value than that. Yeah, but again
Speaker 1: we're moving, we're moving out of the second round. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna have a second round pick right, So but
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, but it's still only a difference
Speaker 1: of seven spots. And if I don't love any of
Speaker 1: my options at fifty eight, that's fine with me. I agree.
Speaker 1: So okay, but if I'm selling this to the Colonels,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, yeah, I'm getting out of und Okay, you
Speaker 1: gotta give me something sacrifice rank it. Then you feel
Speaker 1: like the swap at New England would be our best
Speaker 1: bet with the Danes proposed swap where you you send
Speaker 1: fifty eight and ninety yeah to uh New England, New
Speaker 1: England sixty four and seventy three. Yeah, I'd like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a big one on our board. Getting one oh
Speaker 1: three would be big on our board. Two to get
Speaker 1: out of that round, yeah, right, we'd have really and
Speaker 1: so we'd have a really Uh, so we give it
Speaker 1: back sixty five and one h three. Yeah, so we'd
Speaker 1: have a really early picking a third, yeah, really late
Speaker 1: picking the third, and then really early picking the fourth,
Speaker 1: and then we got two. We got two, we got
Speaker 1: our own pick and a compensatory fourth. So we have
Speaker 1: three shots in the fourth to do some damage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one really early and too late. If you don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of picks, that might be the route to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean picking up that, picking up that one oh
Speaker 1: three could be huge. It could could absolutely. I still
Speaker 1: think of everything we discussed, I think the most realistic
Speaker 1: trade is moving back to sixty four and grabbing New
Speaker 1: England's fourth. I think like that just one thirty four. Yeah, okay, realistic,
Speaker 1: not fun, but realistic. Yeah. I know you don't like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like realistic to a point. Music tells us it's
Speaker 1: time to go. Gosh, the show goes so fast, I
Speaker 1: could probably getting close to time for two shows a week, right, Brian,
Speaker 1: getting close Yeah, getting close to that. For my scouting
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