WEBVTT - Draft Show: Who Will Be There At Pick 58? 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:06.560 Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys, I'm 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:10.280 the our war room for incenter news and draft analysis 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.720 from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:19.200 Star in Fresco, Dallas Cowboys Select Lady and now your 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:24.239 hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us Well, 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.160 we welcome you once again to the Draft Show from 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:30.360 the s TOWBC Mortgage Studios twenty eight days until a 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:34.760 week convene in Nashville, Tennessee to start the process of 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.320 trying to make our football team better. Brian brought us 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.880 here with my scouting buddies, Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Kit Garrison, 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:48.760 Executive Producing Gentlemen. It's getting close slowly, but Shirley, a 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.760 couple of weeks part of how that happened. I know, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.199 it sneaks up on you. Give me another month to 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.800 work on these guys the other month. You don't need 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.400 another month. You could do it tomorrow. Well, no, I 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.200 could do it tomorrow. But this is the time. I'm 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.000 a year where you know, the protein numbers are coming in. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.600 Oh yeah, you're looking guys, an athlete. You're looking at 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.759 you know, guys from Sam Houston State and you change 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.520 that kid from Preview A and M the other day. Yeah, Bell, Yeah, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.920 how about the tape is not as good as the workout? Yeah? 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.240 And we did that feeling foreseeable because he killed his workout. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.039 He did kill that workout. But yeah, I mean there's 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:25.560 this is the time of year where I literally run 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.200 into schools that I've never heard of before. Alderson broad Us, Yeah, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.080 there's that one where was I ran into a school yesterday. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.319 Listen to the school. Tell me if you ever heard 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.639 of the school Southwest Assemblies of God. I don't believe. 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.240 I don't believe you. It's an n AIA school, sag 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.080 he sag you, Yes, exactly, I've heard of that. I didn't. Yeah, 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:50.640 they had athletics. Folks to a private like like basically 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.080 religious school growing up, So I think that's what that is. 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.680 It's not no, they had an athletics. That's surprises. It's 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.600 sag you. Yeah, I know, I looked it up and 0:01:57.640 --> 0:01:59.800 I had to figure out what sag you meant. But 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.680 ask you this. They have a quarterback. They have a quarterback. Yeah. CJ. Collins, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.520 He's all right, c J. Collins, all right, tell me 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:09.280 more CJ. Collins. Let's go on this Christian school. He's 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.639 uh sixty three two ten, pretty good athlete, transfer from 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.160 somewhere family mission. Guys. You know, I don't I just 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:18.640 I don't know the back. I just know the tape. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.040 I've been done my background on him. Ye, I just 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.280 didn't know watch the tape. I saw the numbers. The numbers, Yeah, 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.280 I know. That's why I need another month. The tape 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.200 or the numbers intrigued me. So I want to watch 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.440 the tape. And you know he's got an arm and 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.840 he can make throws on the run. Uh, he's got 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.360 some instincts to him. What kind of scheme? Uh gosh, 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.640 what did they run? There was a shotgun spread, little 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.120 zone red mixed in there. So you know, it's just 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.920 so yeah, no, he does. Yeah. He he looks like 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.160 he'd you know, be fine at at a bigger school. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.760 But it's just you know, you wonder why he's there. 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.160 It's it's just funny. But you know, this time of year, 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.079 you look throughout the NFL, it's full of guys for 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.200 absolute great stories, great stories, yeah, and guys that slip 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.000 through the cracks. And you know that's how priority free 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.079 agents late round guys. That's how you fill out the 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.320 back endy roster, and sometimes you hit on some of 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.400 those guys. Yeah, absolutely well, speaking of hit on this roster, 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.240 I want to get in today a couple of different things. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.640 Of course, we're always gonna have our staple Twitter around 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.160 the twenty. We appreciate that. We always appreciate you getting 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.040 your questions into David Hellman. I'll maybe grab a two 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.600 off periscope. Always appreciate our periscope folks kind of falling 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.480 along with us too. That's a quick way to interact 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.959 with us. But I want to get into a couple 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:35.760 of different things. I want to kind of go through 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.440 who potentially for the Cowboys could be there at fifty eight. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.480 I want to talk about those names. I would like 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.560 to like to kind of maybe put a little roadmap 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.440 out there, try to narrow it down. I'm gonna try 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.640 and narrow I'm gonna try and narrow it down a 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:51.160 little bit. I think there's a lot of people out 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.080 there that are kind of throwing names, and there might 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.640 be I'm starting to see some mock drafts at people 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.280 are something. Man. I know you guys get the same 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.600 thing with from all the fans and you look and 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.040 you think you're around early, you're around late. So I 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.880 want to kind of get us some clarity if we 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.320 can from the Draft show on who might be there 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.520 at fifty eight, and if you're one of those teams 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.800 that's right around when the Cowboys are picking there at 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.559 fifty eight, I'm talking about you, the Philadelphiagles at fifty seven, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.120 I'm talking about the Colts at fifty nine, the Chargers 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.479 at sixty, Kansas City at sixty one. You know, these 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.240 are guys that you're potentially going to be looking at. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:25.880 So if you're a fan of one of those teams 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.200 or your team is picking in that range, we just 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.760 want to give you a little bit of idea who 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.120 you might look at the second part of this as 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.680 we finish up this show, not telling me more or 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.400 anything like that or what am I missing, but I 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.880 want to get into a possibility of maybe if we 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.080 don't like what we're seeing, trading back. You want to 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.039 do your broadest stuff. I like to do the my 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.360 broadest stuff where I like to pick where the league 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.240 wants you to be. I don't I like to pick. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.279 I like picks right, But I also want to go 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.280 there's a couple of spots I would like to go 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.599 to to see if you guys would be interested, and 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:00.400 maybe after we have the conversation here, we can kind 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.760 of determine that yes, we would like to move back 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.240 or no, Brian, we need to sit right where we 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:06.920 are and need to pick these players. So there's a 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.120 couple of teams, actually three teams behind you, and I'll 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.760 give you a little tease. Kansas City, New England, and 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.159 Arizona are three places I'm looking at right now, and 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.680 I'm gonna see if I can convince you guys to 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.320 maybe move that direction if we have to, Okay, I 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.480 like it all right, Dane Burglar, you've got your top 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.280 one hundred. You've got this scene kind of wired. I'm 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.760 gonna have my top fifty up here pretty soon. I've got, 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:32.159 you know, a lot of things that we're working on 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.360 trying to finish this thing out. Give me an idea, 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.479 and we've talked about some positions that can stretch. We've 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.200 talked about the defensive line position, maybe the tackle, the end. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.400 We've talked about safety. We've talked about wide receivers. We 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:50.479 potentially talked about tight ends. Let's go through position by position, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.360 and let's kind of give a little cluster of names 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.120 that you might have and I'll see if we can 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.560 if you and I agree on where these names need 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.760 to be. Let's start with the defensive ends. If you 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.360 could at fifty eight defensive ends. So Jaalen Ferguson is 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.680 going to be an interesting player to watch. Okay, this 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:13.560 is a potential Dallas thirty visit. So yeah, the Cowboys 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.080 have interest, Absolutely they do. We've that that much is clear. 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.159 With Jalen Ferguson, who's the NCAA's all time leader in sacks. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.200 We've talked about him before a Senior Bowl guy couldn't 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.840 go to the combine, had a rough pro day, at 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:31.200 least in the short area. JILDI drills because you know, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.000 I thought he could have been a top forty, top 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.480 fifty pick. Now maybe he is there at fifty eight. Now, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.200 I think he's somewhere in the top seventy five. So 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.320 I think he's somewhere in that mix. I think he's 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.280 going to be in the conversation of fifty eight for you, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.400 he's in, you know, I the three cones should give 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.160 you pause, but yes, he's we talked about that. Last week. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.680 He's a speed to power guy. That's he's not necessarily 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.760 a dip bend and go around you guys. So you know, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.440 I think there's at fifty eight. It's not bad value. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.359 Um you know what, I would think that he would 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:01.800 be there for you at fifty eight because I have 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.560 a third round grade on him. Okay, so I'm thinking 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.880 that you're probably what are you more straight two or 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.960 two three there on that I gat him late too. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:10.960 I have him and call You're kind of in the 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:15.120 same LJ. Callier from tc another name worth knowing. Yeah, 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.520 that's probably we're gonna get too much. As we liked LJ. Callier. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.720 He had his at the combine. He had a seven 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.360 seven one in a three cone, so he was below 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.440 average as well, and that's not too far off than 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.880 what Jalen Ferguson did and these your pass rushers too. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.200 He hasn't had his pro day. I don't know yet. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.400 TCU is always like the first weekend. He need skate 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.400 over there and eat some barbecue after that. By the way, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.360 I agree, yeah, maybe check out the pro day too. Yeah. 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.560 Uh so, yeah, I think l J. Collier to that 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.880 point is also in that mix. If we're talking pass rushers, Jayleen, Ferguson, L. J. Collier, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.360 and then if we want to you know Zach Allen 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.040 from Boston College. Yeah, is he if we want to 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.320 consider him an end over being a tackle, He's kind 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.920 of in that Tyrone Crawford mold who uh you know? 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.040 Zach Allen's was six four two eighty yes, uh five, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.720 little athlete, you know, not going to test overly well, 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.680 we know that, but position flexes, run defender. He's an 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.680 instinctive kid. He can drop and play in space, and 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.840 you know you feel okay with him. So I think 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:13.680 those three names would be the main ones I've been 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.960 talking about. Fifty eight Zach Allen. I have him as 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.600 a solid two, and then I and then now you 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.280 start to look at and I also have Callier right 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.560 there into two. If I had if I had to 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.400 pick a guy, okay, of the three Ferguson, Callier, and Alan, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.360 this is asking a question I'd probably know the answer 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.360 to already. Who do you like is the best pass rusher, 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.600 the pure the pure pass rusher? Dave, you have a 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.920 guy in mind of those three guys that you think 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:39.960 might be the best pass rusher of this group, I'm 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.760 gonna not so much my own evaluations. I have watched him, 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.920 but I just I know from doing my job that 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.679 the Cowboys like Callier, right, and so I leaned toward him. 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.720 If he's if you think he's there, that's a question 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.560 for you. That's what I was gonna get is you 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.680 know you talk about two two three, Yeah, and we 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.880 always love to say, well, this pick is really more 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.600 like a third because it's late. It's six picks away 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.719 from the end of the round, no question, So how realistic? Specifically, 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.720 so you're telling me specifically, call you're an Allen, you 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.640 think there's a better chance that they're gone. I think 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:19.480 a better chance of probably not Ferguson being gone, call 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.240 your which seems like to me that he would be 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.559 the guy that would be gone. As we talk about 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:28.000 those teams ahead of the Cowboys picking h it's tough 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.800 with Yeah, you're looking you're looking at teams, Okay, If 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.120 you look at the order ahead of you, Philadelphia at 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.000 fifty three, and then you go Houston, back to back 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.319 at fifty four and fifty five. New England now in 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.600 the mix at fifty six, Philadelphia back at you at 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.439 fifty seven, those are teams that always kind of look 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.080 at those kind of rush guys like that. Are you 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.079 saying it's different much like quarterback is, like teams will 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.000 grab these guys out of whack if they feel like 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.959 they have to exactly. And I think, Okay, we've just 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.920 look at overall at the edge rush position, the top 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.600 six guys are going to be off the board, the 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:04.240 top tw he picks, Yeah, Bosa, Alan Montes, Sweat Rashaun Gary, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.719 Brian Burns, Cleveland Ferrell. Okay, and those six guys will 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.680 be off the board pretty quickly. And then that's where 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.280 it becomes a little muddy. Where's Jedi Polite go from? 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:15.200 That's the next question I have, because Polite continues to 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.600 do things to not make me want to draft him right, 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.120 And it's it's funny because you know the timeline of Polite. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.880 You get excited about the tape in the fall, talk 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.440 to scouts who tell me there's some character stuff. Yeah, 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.720 and I put that out there. Florida fans are killing me, 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.319 like what are you talking about. He's never been arrested, 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.080 his teammates love him like has Like, I don't know, 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.920 I've just been told there's some stuff there and since 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.720 the end of the season. It's all we've seen bumping 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:42.280 his toe and not doing the right things, and he's overweight, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.960 he's not taking it seriously. There's immaturity concerns. So it's 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.280 anybody's guess where Juchi Polite's going to fall. He could 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.559 potentially be there at fifty eight. And if that's the case, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.680 you have to it's a Ray Gregory situation, not for 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.920 the same reasons. But this is gonna kill me to 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.439 say that. You know me, I like the guy that's 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.680 kind of a little nuts. Yeah, you do around. I 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:02.960 don't know why, but you know what, at fifty eight, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:07.160 i'd consider this guy. God, it sounds terrible to say Polite. Yeah, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.480 is it? You're gritting your teeth, Dave and he I mean, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.080 we haven't said anything good about the guy since we 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.440 started doing this show. Available, No the tapes, good tapes, 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.040 Top fifteen worthy, but hope he's available at fifty eight. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.599 It's for a reason, yeah, obviously. Yeah, it's kind of 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.280 like what Randy Gregory available at sixty. Right. Again, different 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.920 reasons why each would fall, but still there's reasons why 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.760 heat would fall and reasons to be concerned. Okay, give 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.640 me a defensive tackle at fifty eight. Well, it's funny. 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:37.920 On my top one hundred board, number fifty eight exactly 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.559 is Draymont Jones from Ohio State. See now, people a 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.880 little nervous about that. Why, I think he plays very high. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.679 I think he's got his first step is straight up upright, 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.320 and then yeah, I mean, yeah, that's that's bad. It's clarity. Clarity. 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.440 Clarity's always good in the war room. I think when 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.400 his first step being straight up, a vertical player, but 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.600 then he's so athletic to make up for that hiccup 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.120 that he has in technique or a technique flaw, you know, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.600 so you kind of see him get washed sometimes. I 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.480 hate that when defensive lineman get washed. I'm not really 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.640 sure though, how strong he is. I think he's a 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.360 slippery guy, but I mean a three technique, you know, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:17.679 that's what you want. You want a guy to get 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.719 up the field, getting the gap. I think he can 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.520 do that. But just why, I just worry about that 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.079 that initial step being straight up and then then that 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.600 message with your pad, level, that message with your hand. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.840 You can coach that, right though, I gosh, I hope so, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.080 you know, I hope so that's a tech the technical 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:34.840 issue that you know, you would hope you'll be able 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.720 to coach out of him because he's a really good 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.800 athlete and no question about that. And he didn't test overly. Well, 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.880 I was surprised, No, but he's on tape. He's you know, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.000 he's a guy that in about his background. He's form 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.080 a basketball player. Um, you know, goes Ohio State and 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.880 he was a game wrecker you know as TCU fans. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.800 Oh no, that's showing clips of that right now. Keke 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.640 Garrison all over that if you're watching along with interception 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.760 pick six. I mean he was constantly in the backfield. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:00.880 As soon as Nick Bosa went out that game with injury, 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.640 Draymond Jones took over. So there's a lot to like 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.199 about him. But again, another guy who's gonna if he's 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.560 available with fifty eight, it'll be for a reason, and 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.600 it's for exactly what you said. Yeah, he plays upright, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.760 he has struggles in the run game and even you 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.240 know when he finds the ball in the run game 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.800 he can it's too easily blocked. Ye, So he doesn't 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.920 have the strength to overcome that. And eighteen on the 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.040 bench press down bench presses isn't always the best indicator 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.400 of play strength, but it matches up only eighteen on 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.240 the bench, and you know he's not the strongest guy 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.120 in the field, so it makes sense. Dave one or 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.840 three here, I would say three, yeah, no, no, one 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.760 or three if you're looking at defensive tackles for the Cowboys. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.600 Three always okay, Like this team has made it so 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.440 clear that they're not interested in investing in space eaters, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.960 and it's kind of hard to argue with him when 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.160 Antoine Woods was plucked off the scrap heap and played 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.200 so well. Yeah, I mean real, they got Comington, they 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.760 signed from the tea. He's gonna play the one. He's 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:00.160 got a sneaky good resume for a guy, no questions one. 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.960 I mean it's good. Look at his that you know, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:06.240 you're always looking at tactics for sacks. His numbers are 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.400 pretty good for a guy that's really not asked to 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.680 play that position. You know, it's the three techniques and 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:12.719 the edge rushers that get those stats. And he was 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.319 doing it as a three four. And let me ask 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.840 you this, though, Lawrence from Clemson, is that a stretch 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.240 at fifty eight? And what ja Dave just told me 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.440 as they probably wouldn't take him at fifty eight. I 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.720 think it's a stretch, not only that he gets there, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.320 but also that they would want him. Honestly, Okay, I 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:28.880 don't think he's gonna make it though far you think 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.680 he's in the forty range. I think he could go 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.360 first round because he's such a freak. I mean, I 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.960 need more production out of those guys. But Vitavea went 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.120 what you're right, and you were you were, you were 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.280 on VA as far as I'm not too sure of this, Yeah, 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.320 I like the I like him my life traits, but yeah, 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.480 I need more production. It's not taking a defensive tackle 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:48.960 that earlier. I don't want to I don't want to 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.560 backtrack too much, but I notice we didn't mention Anthony 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.720 Nelson out of Iowa. Yeah, that because we don't think 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.400 he'll be there, or we don't think he's worth it. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:14:59.360 I think he's I think I think he's more of 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.120 a third round guy. Myself. I have a two three 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.160 on him, elite two early three. He's right there in 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.720 that middleh So he'd be in the mix for Dane. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.720 Go back to Dane's point, like, if you want Anthony Nelson. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.120 You probably aren't getting him at ninety danes trying to 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.880 tell you got to go around early here. I believe 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.840 I actually have him above Zach Allen. Okay, you're a 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.280 pet cat Zach Allen. Yeah, I think he's a pet 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.680 cat of the organization. Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.160 these thirty visits and seeing if Zach Allen's on that list. 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:25.800 I bet he will be. Yeah, it'd be kind of 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.560 surprising if he isn't. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Okay, 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.200 how about the safeties? Safeties? Now, this is another one 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.040 that's kind of tough because the first safety might not 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.120 come off the board until you know, after pick twenty five. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.440 So between pick twenty five or twenty six and fifty eight, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.360 how many safeties are going to be off the board? Atterly, 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:48.520 even though he hasn't be able to work out because 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.400 he's been dealing with an ankle, which brings up an 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.800 interesting debate like should he have rested the ankle and 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.360 not playing the Senior Bowl or should he you credit 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.160 for playing the Senior exact? Yeah, and he I thought 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.320 he helped himself in a bill, so you know, it's 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.040 it's debatable. Taylor rap and Jonathan Abram, two players that 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.400 we know this team is the Cowboys are interested in. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:09.600 I don't think either one. We've been making out of 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.840 the top forty thirty visit guy though too, both of them. Okay, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.560 if we're gonna go up in this draft, we're gonna 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:15.800 have to go up a little bit right to get 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.000 a guy like that, right. I actually I wrote about 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.080 this like a week ago, maybe it was two weeks ago. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.000 Is you can learn a lot by the thirty visits. 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.680 But like when we when we say they do their homework, 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.920 they really do. Like if you go back five years, like, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.520 there's always guys on these lists that are out of 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.480 their range, with the one exception. No, not even true, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.280 because so the year they picked fourth, they brought in 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.240 damn near every guy that went in the top ten. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.680 Sure they also brought in guys that didn't go till 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:43.560 you know that back into the first round. Oh no, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.440 they're covering their base. So you know they could be 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.680 bringing in Rap and Abram fully understanding that that's a 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.680 pipe dream, but you still want to do your homework 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.840 on those guys because you never know what's going to happen. Yeah, 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.200 possible trade up target I take either one of those 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.680 cats though, hell yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely at any point 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.480 in the second round. Yeah, I think don't think you 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.119 can go wrong with either of them. It just after that, Okay, 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:09.639 Chauncey Gardner Johnson from Florida, Deontay Thompson, Alabama, I mean Thornhill. Okay, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.639 Gardner Johnson, did I see a tweet from you? Some 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.440 of the people are not sure where they're going to 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.360 play him? Whether for me? Okay, maybe I saw maybe 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:19.320 somebody was talking about that. Scouts are not sure if 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.560 they're gonna playim at corner plaim at at safety. Say, 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.800 and I'm sure there's some concern about that around the league. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.320 But I've talked to some Scots who said, I don't. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.520 I've seen him play free safety. I seen him, saying, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.320 watch a whole season in twenty seventeen and him playing safety. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.840 Would you would you feel comfortable drafting him at fifty eight? 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.000 I would just just on talent? Yeah, talent alone. Then 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.800 that's fine because this team might need cornerbacks next year anyway, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.800 and they definitely need a safety. Great observation. Bring him 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.320 on and did some good for you. That Arizona Air 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:50.520 did some good for you you're saying I wasn't smart 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.679 before I questioned that is sometimes Yeah, you and I 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:55.800 did go the same school twenty five years apart. Though, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.960 Bring bring him on and we'll figure out what to 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.280 do with him later. I'd be all'll be on board 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.720 of that. I mean, there's gonna be a glut of 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:04.920 these safeties in that mix, because I think you have 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.199 like a guy like Garnell Savage from Maryland who I 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.639 like him. The only thing not to like about him 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.480 he was really just a size you know, he's not 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.800 the biggest guy but him Thornhill. I mean there's there's 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.640 a group, there's a glut. I mean you talk about 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:21.239 in the top ones, adderly Rap, Abram Thompson. Where's he 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.320 going to go Alabama? Hopefully he's able to run and 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.639 work out at a wrist the risk has been a 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:30.480 problem for him. And then Thornhill, Garner, Johnson, Savage. I 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.359 mean there's a good group of safeties there. I've got 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.240 a money hooker in that group too, from my well 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.399 you do is Thompson from Marshall myself? Yeah, is Deonte 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.000 Thompson like the classic guy that gets lost in the wash. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.080 And then you know we hear his name real early 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.840 because teams tend to know more about this than the 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.399