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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league. Who was the

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Speaker 1: first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, first one? Probably Chuck. I think it was Ai.

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Speaker 2: It was Ai.

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Speaker 3: We was playing in Philly and Ai shot twenty four

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Speaker 3: times in the first half.

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Speaker 2: How you do that? Man, in the first half. Y'all remember,

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Speaker 2: like in the.

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Speaker 3: First half, and he just yeah, it was it was Chuck.

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Speaker 3: It was Chuck. It was crazy because I mean, I know,

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Speaker 3: y'all know Chuck. You know what I'm saying, y'all really

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Speaker 3: really played against him when I when I played against him,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I went number three.

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Speaker 3: I remember I had high school and I mean I

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Speaker 3: had braids when I was in high school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, Pops wasn't with it though, you know that. But

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Speaker 3: it just I mean everything, you know, like I want

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Speaker 2: You know. Chuck used to be out there with his

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Speaker 3: Tucked and all that, and I never forget after the game,

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Speaker 3: and I always talk about this. He asked me by

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Speaker 3: one of those games for my shoes, right, He asked me,

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Speaker 3: could I signed my shoes for him because his son

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Speaker 3: What's your kid cared about me for? And as soon

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Speaker 1: To make sense. Yeah, little Chris can give it. Damn

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Speaker 1: about me, Damn about me.

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Speaker 4: I did all that.

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Speaker 3: He want he want anything from anybody else. You know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying? What Russ got?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: Damn?

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Speaker 4: You know? He want all that? Yo? We live on location,

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Speaker 4: virtual location. That is me and me and my boy Black.

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Speaker 4: We are in Orlando. We got my man CP three.

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Speaker 4: What are you coming to from Cali? You out in

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Speaker 4: Cali with us?

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Speaker 2: Cali?

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's up man. We got Hall of Fame stat

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Speaker 4: is one of the best pgs to ever Grace them

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Speaker 4: courts CEP three in the building, y'all tune in.

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Speaker 1: Say your ass at home though. Louisville, North Carolina? Where

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Speaker 1: the fuck is Louisville?

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Speaker 2: Brown?

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Speaker 3: But you try me like that? You tried me like that.

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Speaker 3: That is in NORTHCUK. So it's right outside of Winston, savor. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you've been to Winston before. H Yeah, I've been to

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Speaker 3: Western what an Au tournament. It's out now.

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Speaker 2: I have my mom, best friend had family down there.

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Speaker 4: So I went down there on something.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's literally right outside Winston. So that's where

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Speaker 3: my high school was and everything.

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Speaker 2: That's where I grew up. That's home, that's where my

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Speaker 1: Oh straight up, I wasn't like growing up in in Louisville.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's a small town and Carolina big to

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Speaker 1: make your noise, and Jordan came from North Carolina, so

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Speaker 3: Gotta make he was down there by the beach. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you look at everything.

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Speaker 3: It's the Bible Belt. I was at church four or

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Speaker 2: This all that. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's a show that I've been watching with my kids.

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Speaker 3: It's called Family Reunion. It's on Netflix if y'all ain't

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Speaker 3: seen it. But they talk about like vacation, Bible school,

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Speaker 3: all that. Like I grew up all that. And my

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Speaker 3: used to work at my granddad's service station every summer.

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Speaker 2: I got to grow up around my friends.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a lot of moving, you know, like my

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Speaker 4: So you brought up your grandfather. I can remember, like,

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Speaker 4: I remember them saying that in your story about you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy, Like I mean, I had homies and

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Speaker 2: And I mean I grew up on a straight has right.

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Speaker 3: Like moms and pops you know, get at you. My

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Speaker 3: From church, I would always build my granddad. If I

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So it wasn't like here,

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Speaker 3: He made me come work at the service station so

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Speaker 3: then when when my granddad got murdered my senior year

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Speaker 3: in high school, it's tough. It was tough because I

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Speaker 3: to way.

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Speaker 2: In that game, like I watched it.

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Speaker 1: I watched the highlights of the game, and it's crazy

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Speaker 1: how you see some of the moves you do in

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Speaker 1: high school that you still do.

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Speaker 2: In the league.

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Speaker 1: Like, man, you've been doing that since even in high school.

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Speaker 1: But like, just go over that game. It's just like

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Speaker 3: You know it's crazy us because the movie you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: I only do it on the side of the court.

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Speaker 2: And y'all, y'all was in the league before me, so

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Speaker 2: y'all probably called it the smitty, right.

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Speaker 4: It is the sty We don't just call it.

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Speaker 3: You know, from did y'all ever used to play like

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Speaker 3: It's a dude named Robin Dunlap who from my hometown, right,

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Speaker 3: he was a little older than me.

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Speaker 2: He used to do that move at the Why that's

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Speaker 4: Where he got it from? There?

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Speaker 2: I mean I need to ask, Hey, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: I got it from my man roymand Donelap back home.

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Speaker 2: I think Robin a firefighter. He used to be.

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Speaker 4: Nice, nice, shut out, shut shut out.

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Speaker 2: Shut up, shout out to Doune Lap. But that's where

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Speaker 3: But I mean, look, looking back at it, it's still

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Speaker 3: crazy to see how that that game happened. And the

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Speaker 3: high school that I was playing against was actually my

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Speaker 3: my granddad's funeral, right, so my family rode deep deep everywhere, everywhere.

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Speaker 2: So to have all my family there at that game

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Speaker 2: and to do that, it's still probably the most memorable

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Speaker 1: Like recruiting wise, well, you just you committed to Wake

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because I committed to Wake as a junior

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Speaker 2: or whatnot. But I played.

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Speaker 3: I know something that neither one of y'all ever did.

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Speaker 3: Neither one of y'all ever played the day of JV basketball.

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Speaker 4: Did you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: No, I played two years jav basketball.

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Speaker 4: I guess you could say. I guess you could say

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Speaker 4: I did. Though my freshman year I played on sophomore

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Speaker 4: that's like not varsity. So yeah, that's like JV or whatever.

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Speaker 4: My first year sophomore started on varsity.

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Speaker 1: Did Yeah, Yeah that was I played high school to

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Speaker 4: This was crazy, but his junior high was seventh through

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Speaker 4: ninth grade. What right?

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Speaker 2: Different they came got me.

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Speaker 1: I was playing against grown man and playing against my

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Speaker 2: That's because you look like a grown man when you

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Speaker 4: Hey, so what made you said you committed to Wake

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Speaker 4: as a junior. What made you commit and get locked up?

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Speaker 4: Because I know you was You know what I'm saying, Well,

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Speaker 4: that's home outside of that. But you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: was it anywhere else that you possibly could have thought

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Speaker 4: about going earlier than that? Or who else was recruiting

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Speaker 4: you hard back then?

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Speaker 2: Y'all know what's crazy?

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Speaker 4: Y'all know who.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was a diehard Carolina fan growing up,

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Speaker 2: diehard Carolina fan.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So Stack, which is so crazy to Stack dated my

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Speaker 2: I never yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother went over my cousin, Shawn's house. She

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Speaker 3: like that house right, right. So, like I was at ahard

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Speaker 3: Carolina fan. And so what I learned on the recruiting

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Speaker 3: process is that you don't necessarily go to the school

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Speaker 3: that you're a fan of, right, It's got to be

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Speaker 3: the best situation. And Carolina had asked me if I

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Speaker 3: could walk on Wow. Yeah, they asked me if I

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Speaker 3: could if I could walk on, right, that might have

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Speaker 3: been like my sophomore junior year. They was like, asked

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Speaker 3: me could I walk on because they had Raymond coming.

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Speaker 2: There right, my man. Ray felt like after ray went

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Speaker 2: to the league, they might be able to give me

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Speaker 2: a scholarship.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, no, that's out. We can't

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Speaker 3: afford that. We can't afford that. So then that summer

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Speaker 3: before my junior year, like a hoop Hoop hoop had

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Speaker 3: a big summer at the Nationals in Orlando.

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Speaker 2: Boom started getting all these offers. You know who I

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Speaker 2: Chicago connection.

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Speaker 3: I got all my college college scholarship offers off of

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Speaker 3: playing the Illinois Warriors.

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Speaker 4: That is Larry Butler, that's it.

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Speaker 2: I never forget it. We had to play the Illinois

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Speaker 2: We ended up losing.

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Speaker 3: We lost by like six, but I had like thirty

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Speaker 2: Every coach, every coach gave me a scholarship offer.

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Speaker 2: Too, Yeah, I think so. They was nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like me, Mustafa Shakur stop.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really man, he used to be a hoops in

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Speaker 4: Was like, how was that for you?

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Speaker 3: Y'all know, uh Jay, y'all know Josh Howard the original

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Speaker 3: that's another thing that I didn't expect to start, And

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Speaker 3: They had won the ACC the year before I got there,

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Speaker 4: Remember, yeah, he was tough. He was tough.

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Speaker 4: Hey, so at what point like when you so you

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Speaker 4: I feel it should be to where you you know,

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Speaker 3: Man, it was probably had to be like halfway through

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Speaker 2: First ACC game, all right, okay, and it went the

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Speaker 4: It was crazy. Remember that game was.

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Speaker 3: But like after the game, it was like emotional. Everybody

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Speaker 2: You got to keep working. And you know, when you

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Speaker 4: To a gym, right.

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Speaker 2: I never had that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I like when I talk to them

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Speaker 2: You got it now, you just you just got to

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Speaker 3: I didn't, not after my first year. So what's crazy

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Speaker 3: And don't nobody be asking after after my freshman.

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Speaker 2: Year in college? Right?

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Speaker 3: We lost in the tournament. We lost to Jamie Nelson

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Speaker 3: and Delonte West Vicious.

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Speaker 4: I remember Joe. They was vicious a little bit, and I.

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Speaker 2: Just like, I was like, man, we got a chance.

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Speaker 3: And so get back to campus and my coach said

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Speaker 3: And so we go up there and coach started asking

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Speaker 2: You know you're probably not ready for the league. And

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Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not. And you know why I didn't.

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Speaker 3: And I say this all the time, and y'all y'all

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Speaker 3: big of a fan. Like if I would have went

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Speaker 3: after my freshman year, I would have got up there.

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Speaker 2: Like you signed something for me? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: I swear it's crazy you say that because on everything

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Speaker 4: I love, the exact same thing happened to me after

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Speaker 4: I'm saying. They were saying, whatever, if I would have

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Speaker 4: been drafted, it was yeah after my sophomore year, so

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Speaker 4: look as soon as just like you after my freshman year,

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Speaker 4: same identical thing, because I played the four. My freshman year,

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Speaker 4: I led the country in rebounding bro I was. You

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, I played the four. Yeah, my

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Speaker 4: freshman year, I led the country in rebounding bro as

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Speaker 4: a four men. So they was like, he's six five

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Speaker 4: sixty six, he's gonna be a two. We need to

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Speaker 4: see him play the wings. So that was what my

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Speaker 4: though I did. You know what I'm saying like I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna shoot threes and do this and that, and

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Speaker 4: was the first time he really getting moved, so to speak,

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Speaker 4: to the perimeter. But it really wasn't. I still ended

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Speaker 4: I went back to school and Dnstin ended up coming

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Speaker 4: back coming out after my sophomore year, same thing, and it.

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Speaker 3: Made it made all the difference in the world that

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Speaker 3: me I might be, I would be mid first round,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying after my freshman.

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Speaker 2: Year, and I was like, no, no, no, let's let's

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Speaker 4: When I was home, like you said, I was home, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I say, you still have mom dudes washing your line?

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, Look look I show you on the

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Speaker 4: wine down. Man, you just learned how to do lines

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Speaker 4: and under the under the pandemic. Come on, bro, my.

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Speaker 2: Moms was show enough washing my clothes. My grandma left

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Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So I take my teammates over there to eat and

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Speaker 3: all that. And my mom used to wash my clothes

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Speaker 3: and fold them. All I had to do was just

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Speaker 2: See, I at least had to fold them when I

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Speaker 2: to take care of me. She's a current boy. That's

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Speaker 2: how many workouts you did when you came up?

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, man, listen, that's here it is.

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Speaker 2: I'm laughing because I don't nobody has these.

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Speaker 3: So my workouts. So it's so I was working out

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Speaker 3: and school sort of.

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Speaker 4: Fans up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Alexandria and my brother went up

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Speaker 2: he done every day by myself, like killer workouts, right,

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Speaker 3: But now it's time for me to work out for

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Speaker 3: a team. And I don't know if y'all have never

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Speaker 3: heard Gil tell this story one time, but Gil came

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Speaker 3: to tell you that I'm about to tell you that

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Speaker 3: it was funny because now I'm in the league. It

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Speaker 3: because that's what I made. My biggest jump too, is

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Speaker 3: Came to watch me work out and watch me against

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Speaker 3: Gil Milwaukee crazy workout. Then I walked over there and

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Speaker 3: the Bucks people it was like, yeah, that was a

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Speaker 3: good workout. But yeah, that's when TJ was coming back,

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Speaker 3: y'all just come watch me work out for it. If

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Speaker 3: y'all knew, y'all wasn't going yeah looking at me, right,

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Speaker 3: So they took Bogan.

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Speaker 2: Who else I worked out for? I worked out for

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Speaker 2: New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: That was crazy.

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Speaker 2: That was real crazy because I told them I wasn't

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Speaker 4: I see no, no, no, no, real talk.

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Speaker 2: I told her.

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Speaker 3: I said, I'm not coming to work out because I

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Speaker 3: worked out for Atlanta before that and killed that workout.

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Speaker 3: I worked out, yeah, and they had the number two

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And so after I worked out for I got.

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Speaker 3: Back to the Omni Hotel, my agent called me and

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Speaker 2: And I was like, no, I ain't going. My agent

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Speaker 2: was like, well, they said, if you don't come, we're

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Speaker 4: What right?

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying it like guys just think

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Speaker 2: they're gonna be able to say that. So I was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, come on. I literally flew into New Orleans

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Speaker 2: the next day. You know I usually stay to night.

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00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 2: I ain't stay. Yeah. They just went eighteen to sixty

447
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 2: four the year before.

448
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 3: I ain't really know nothing about him. I went to

449
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 3: eat with Byron Scott TGI Fridays. Then I had to

450
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: work out. I had to work out, and it was

451
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,680
Speaker 3: crazy then because the GM at the time he like

452
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 3: almost made you work out almost naked.

453
00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 2: It was like a little tank top these.

454
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 4: A little short you won't see your body Hey, just

455
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 4: just think about what he just said. But they took

456
00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 4: Chris Paul to TGI Fridays. Virus got to Chris Paul

457
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 4: like nowadays, boll you know, you know where they be

458
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 4: at them them places. Now, Chris, Now forget Ruth Chris.

459
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 4: They be on another level. Ruth Chris is exclusive. They

460
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 4: be all the way out of here though, walk in,

461
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 4: going through back rooms and stuff like it be playing

462
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 4: now yea have y'all.

463
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: Have y'all ever heard of somebody sort of like throwing

464
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: the workout, like not working out? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

465
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 2: don't know how to do that. I don't know how

466
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: to do that.

467
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 3: So when I worked out for New Orleans, like, I

468
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 3: had a really good workout, right, Me and be Scott

469
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 3: played a little bit and stuff like that to do

470
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 3: shooting drills and be Scott was so cool.

471
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 2: Man. I finished my workout, they drove showed me. I said,

472
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: They said, you want to see anything. I was like,

473
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: I want to see Bourbon Street. They showed me Bourbon

474
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: Street and then yeah, I left. Yeah. And then I

475
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 2: worked out for Charlotte too.

476
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 4: Where was Charlotte? Like like Charlotte in Atlanta? Why is that?

477
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 4: Like people that come from Carolina, like Atlanta, like the

478
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,360
Speaker 4: is the best nation.

479
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: So it was crazy.

480
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: So at the time, Charlotte had a number five pick

481
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 3: and the number twelve pick, right, So I was when

482
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: I went and worked out for them, they tried some trigger.

483
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 3: It was so I was supposed to work out by myself.

484
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 3: You know, our top picked usually work out by myself.

485
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you guys, you too.

486
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: I go down and get in the car in Charlotte.

487
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: I go down and get in the car and I

488
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 2: opened up the door and Tony Douglass in the car.

489
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 4: Okay, Florida State, Yeah, yeah, Tony.

490
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: But Tony at the time had went to Auburn. He

491
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 3: went to Auburn before Florida State. Okay, I knew Tony because.

492
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 2: He was from Atlanta or whatever. But I opened the

493
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: door and I see him in the car, and I

494
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 2: called him. I get in a car, called my agent.

495
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, so I'm in the car.

496
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: I thought I was supposed to be working out by myself.

497
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: My agent was like, don't go, don't go right, He's like,

498
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,239
Speaker 3: you ain't supposed to. I said, man, listen, I've been

499
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: doing all this working out by myself. I'm let's get

500
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 3: too it.

501
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, thank you. I thought you boy, say

502
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 4: you didn't go out bout saying come on now, see

503
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: you the one you, the one who I was chasing

504
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: in my year. Nobody. You can't get no work out,

505
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: you can't prove yourself. I'm like, thank you for clar't

506
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 4: find that saying that you told Joe agent slid to

507
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 4: the side home you. I'm about to go ahead handle

508
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 4: my business and we're gonna do what we do that

509
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: is appreciated right there.

510
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: I love Tony Man, I know him and his brother Harry,

511
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: and I listen.

512
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: After that, I walked in the room with all Charlotte

513
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 3: people and they were sitting there with what you're hearing.

514
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: I was like, if y'all gonna get me, y'all gonna

515
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: have to trade up, right, They ain't.

516
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: Trade up, but I was damn sure.

517
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: Sitting at the draft, they said with the number two

518
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: pick the Atlanta Hawks, and I started get up. They said,

519
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: Marvin Williams, Oh no, yeah.

520
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 2: But the horness to pick you, how did that feel? Like?

521
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: You know, drafts is big mom for the Hornets to

522
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: pick you.

523
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: Man, what's crazy is the Hornets had the fourth pick.

524
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: Charlotte had the fifth pick, right, you. I just liked

525
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: being at home. Charlotte was home, so I was. You know,

526
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind if they passed.

527
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: On me, and I would have went to Charlotte.

528
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

529
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: Man, Listen when they said my name, just because y'all

530
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: know that's out about it, man, exactly for your family.

531
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Man.

532
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: And to this day, fifteen years later, when I see

533
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 3: that replay and I see my mom's face, you know

534
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: what I'm saying in my pops, I got back to

535
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 3: the back called b Scott be Scott was so happy, excited.

536
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: I was too. That night. We ain't got to talk

537
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: about what I did that night, but that next morning,

538
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: me and my family went to New Orleans. And I

539
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: don't know if I would be here now had I

540
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: not went to New Orleans. Yeah, that's some of the

541
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: best years of my life. Like I love that city. Good,

542
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: ain good, good the people in New Orleans, and I

543
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: like it the love like that was there, like when

544
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: I played there and stuff like that.

545
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 4: Ain't nothing like and talk about being there, going through

546
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: the whole the Hurricane Katrina and that whole, that whole

547
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: crisis and being there and being involved. And I know

548
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: you was one of the guys that it was front

549
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 4: of the league, that was on the ground floor, that

550
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 4: was doing a great job of being a part of

551
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 4: the relief and everything that was going on. Talk about

552
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 4: that whole experience, man, I was.

553
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: I was different too, because I got drafted, went to

554
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: New Orleans right then, started looking for a house.

555
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 4: Me and j R.

556
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 2: Smith started being together all day every sing my dog.

557
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: That's like, that's for real, like my brother, My brother,

558
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: Me and j was together before.

559
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: The storm hit.

560
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: Me and Jr. Was We had went out one night

561
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: in New Orleans and this shoot bigg Eirls Pops came

562
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: got us out the club. I never.

563
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 3: But I had a house before the storm. And then

564
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: I never forget being at home in North Carolina and

565
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: waking up and looking at the news. Like my mom,

566
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: It's like we were looking at the news that what

567
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: was going on?

568
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: Man. And we ended up relocating Oklahoma for two years

569
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: again coming back. So I don't know that city is

570
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: the most resilient city if you ask me.

571
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you was with the Hornets and you played

572
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: in that that series against the Spurs, mmm, and you

573
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: know this the Almighty Spurs, and how you played and

574
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: how and just just how you played. Do you feel like,

575
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: oh shit, I'm here here, like I know you know

576
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: you you can play on this level. But to get

577
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: in the playoffs sitting and play against the almighty Spurs

578
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: and do your thing?

579
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: Like, how was that?

580
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: And did I keep telling y'all man, y'all asked questions

581
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: that people don't like. This is what I've been talking about,

582
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: like with my family, like it's crazy. So that was

583
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: the first time I made it to the playoffs right

584
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: oh seven away. And so we played against Dallas in

585
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: that first round, and I had to play against Jay

586
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: Kid and at the time we lock now, but at

587
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 3: the time me and j Kid like had a little beef.

588
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: We used to whatever.

589
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: Right, So then we get past them and we get

590
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: to the Spurs. To mind you, this is the season

591
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: that I think I'm gonna get MVP. I ain't gonna

592
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: lie to you like that season, you know what I mean,

593
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: Like we had been picked to finish like low last

594
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: or whatever. In the weather, we was nice. I mean

595
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: every night we was hooping. And we ended up finishing

596
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 3: that season fifty six and twenty six, right, And I

597
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: never forget the big meeting that we had before the

598
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: playoffs started. And one of the vets, I can't remember

599
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: who was on our team. He stood up and Barron

600
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 3: Scott used to do a dinner before the playoffs started,

601
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: and we have all the guys on the team and

602
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 3: your girlfriend, your wife and all that. Everybody got to

603
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: say something, which is still funny to me, like now

604
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: with my girlfriend at the time, and she didn't live

605
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: in New Orleans with me, But they went around and

606
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: asked everybody to talk. Caught on my girlfriend was my

607
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: wife now and I asked her to talking. I'm looking

608
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 3: like the hell, you know, but that's that. But you know,

609
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: everybody go around and say what do they expect from

610
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: his team and all that, and so one of the

611
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: vets said this, and it's so crazy because I'm the

612
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: guy who sort of says this now on my teams

613
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: when we get ready, and the vet said, your fellas,

614
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: let's take full advantage of this opportunity, right, Teams like

615
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: this don't come around every year, you know.

616
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: What I mean. You don't all you don't automatically get

617
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: to start at the playoffs, you know what I mean.

618
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: So let's take advantage of what we got. And I'm

619
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: sitting over there and I'm hearing it obviously because I'm

620
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: telling you I was listening, but I'm also sitting over

621
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: there like I'm I'm gonna be right here a year, right,

622
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking in my head like they about to

623
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: announce that I'm MVP and like a week or two.

624
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but yeah, I hear

625
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: what you're saying.

626
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna take full advantage of this, but

627
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be here all the time, right. And that

628
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: series was so eye opening to me because if you

629
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: go back and look at it, and I'm obviously during

630
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: this time with my cousins and my family, and I'll

631
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: be looking at the games and like Game one we

632
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: beat them by like twenty five thirty.

633
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't know check, I just know.

634
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: We beat them back.

635
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: Right in Game two we beat them, and you know,

636
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: when you're young, like that, you swagged out. But then

637
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: I would look over there at they bench and they

638
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: would be like, okay, cool.

639
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: Went back to San Antonio Game three, thought we could

640
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: have won out when saying with Game four, but it

641
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: started to help me realize that no matter how much

642
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: you win either one of them games by it's just

643
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: one game.

644
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one game, so you never get too high low.

645
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: And when we lost that game seven, oh man, oh man.

646
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: Like I was that that team was one of.

647
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: The best teams. And you know when you're on a

648
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: special team like that, like we we used to have

649
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: game nights.

650
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: It was more than just ball with that team bonding together.

651
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like me, Tyson Chandler, David West, all Us, Genaro Pargo,

652
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: all that group.

653
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: Man that was.

654
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: That was one of the toughest losses them years. Down there,

655
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: Like David West was a total threat. I remember z

656
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Bo used to want to kill his assoud because I

657
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: think one time David West was like he ain't an

658
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: All Star yet, and Zebo used to want to murder

659
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: him every time he's seeing him. But David West, like

660
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: y'all two man game was just like them years, y'all

661
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: was doing things. Just speak on David West and was

662
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: like them years. What he brought to the table for

663
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: that team, the toughness.

664
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: And almost almost get emotional when I talk about the

665
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: West Man, because you know, like when you're on a team,

666
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: I think sometimes people think that you always got to

667
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: the people that you closest to, You got to be

668
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 3: gott to be the ones that you gamble with or

669
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: that you go to dinner with and all that, right,

670
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: Like me and d West wasn't like that, Like he

671
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: ain't play cards, you know. I mean, we wasn't at

672
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: dinner together every night or nothing like that. But we

673
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: was just connected, right and still connected. Like I respect

674
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: the West maybe more than anybody that I didn't played with,

675
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: and I love him to death, like as my family

676
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: and a lot of people would know.

677
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: But we played for the same college coach too, and our.

678
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: College coach died right our college coach died my second

679
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: year in the league and going back to college, I

680
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: was a freshman in college and I walked into the

681
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: office of the basketball office and I walked into my

682
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: assistant coach office, coach Jeff Battle, because my coaches that

683
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: used to be Exavier, and I walked in and I

684
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: seen d West. Right, I'm a freshman in college. I

685
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: see David weston there. I'm just who would have known that.

686
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: A couple of years later we beat teammates, you know

687
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But d West was just the consument

688
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: teammate man, and especially back then when like I was hard,

689
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: like I was hard as far as like, man, let's go, let's.

690
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: Go on this.

691
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 3: But people lead in different ways, you know what I mean?

692
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: And I think we just complimented each other. And I

693
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 3: don't know d West seventeen feet assassin.

694
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: Cash, Yeah, Cash, I knew I had assist boom drop

695
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: it right there and we.

696
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: Free throw line killer man I'm talking about man, he

697
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: ain't even jump man, you know what?

698
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy? And Q is I used to

699
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: try to get the West to back up to the three, right.

700
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: He used to try to get him back up to

701
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: the three because you know he shoots so effortless.

702
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: Right. What he used to always say to me, Man,

703
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: That's why I loved it.

704
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: He would always say, peasy, it's fools go, Peasy fools go.

705
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: He used to always peasy as fools.

706
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 4: Go, classic quote. Yeah, let me ask you this, man,

707
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: how did you feel when you thought you were going

708
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 4: to be traded to to the to the l A

709
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: Lakers with with like, how did how did you feel

710
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 4: when that when that got put on?

711
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: Any documentary that I wanted to do about all the

712
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: times in my life and stuff that happened, we basically

713
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: doing it.

714
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: Right here on the Hey man, you know that's what

715
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: we're here.

716
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: Man uh man. I know y'all had t A on

717
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: the show man Trev you know that's my brother right there.

718
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: So t A was with me, was with me when

719
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: we went through all that.

720
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was with me.

721
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: And it's crazy because I was trying to get Trev

722
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: in the trade with me, real real wherever it was,

723
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: to get out to l A so he could be

724
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: around his son at the time. Right, So when that

725
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: that trade got nicked, that was that was crazy. That

726
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: was crazy because a lot of people don't realize it

727
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: was bigger than just going to the team and stuff

728
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: like that. That was right after the lockout, right, it

729
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: was like contract stuff.

730
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: That was a that was a big deal. But yeah,

731
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: I mean I always say I played for the Lakers

732
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: for a little bit for a couple.

733
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 4: Of hours, Like yeah, like how was that? Like how

734
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: was that in real time? Like how was that being

735
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: communicated to you? Like it was all out there, like

736
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: the trade is done, you going to the Lakers and

737
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: then it was like everybody reacting like, oh this is

738
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 4: about to be crazy. CP with cod you. I was

739
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: on the phone.

740
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: 'm gonna tell you.

741
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 4: I was on the phone.

742
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: My brother and my agent and all that. We're figuring

743
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: out a plane to get us to New Orleans, to

744
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: get to New Orleans, to get us to LA. Let's

745
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: just say, my agent clicked over, said hold on, clicked over,

746
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: and then he came back on.

747
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: And it was like stuttering, like.

748
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: And we was hot. It was hot. Me and Covid talked.

749
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We talked already and all that,

750
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: and it was it was it was a lot. It

751
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: was a lot.

752
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: You're a Clipper now, and you know now you're not

753
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: a Lakers, So now you're on the other side of

754
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: the fence and you're trying to traine this coach. You're finna,

755
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, make the Clippers a title contender.

756
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: Now, Like, how was that to be?

757
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: You know, everybody expect the Lakers to win all the

758
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: titles because they done won all the titles. But now

759
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: you're on this side of the fence where you gotta

760
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: fight through the history to make a mark for the Clippers.

761
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: How was that? I thought you were just going to

762
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 4: the Lakers and then flipped and switch on you.

763
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: Right, I thought I was going to the Lakers, but

764
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: I was excited about the Clippers thing. You know what

765
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: I mean, because I was excited about trying to do

766
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: something that had never been done right, Like I'm saying,

767
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: like I'm just competitive.

768
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: Like that, Like like why do you want to go there?

769
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 4: Why do you want?

770
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: Well, everybody want to go there, you know what I'm saying,

771
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 3: Like I want to do something. I want to do

772
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: something different. And it's crazy because Chance, you know what

773
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of people don't realize that, Like

774
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: the whole situation with Chauncey, Like the Clippers originally picked

775
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: Chauncey up off Waivers, Chance was actually trying to get

776
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: to Miami, you know what I mean. So then when

777
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: I saw Chance get picked up off Waivers, I was like,

778
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: oh man, I really.

779
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: Ain't gonna be able to get there. Then they figured

780
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: out a way to make the trade happen.

781
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: I get there.

782
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 3: First thing is I'm happy, I'm excited about playing with

783
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: Chance was pissed. Chance was mad. A lot of people

784
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: don't know that was my big brother, and I'm like,

785
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: I'm about to go there and be with Chance was hot.

786
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: He was mad that the Clippers grabby.

787
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: You know, is he competitive if he's still the man.

788
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly he wasn't mad that I was coming there.

789
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: He was mad that they had picked him off up

790
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: off Waivers, whereas he was gonna probably go to Miami.

791
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah with that, with that crew. So that was a

792
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: whole situation. And then I mean I got there. Uh

793
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 2: you know, Vinnie was a coach.

794
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: Y'all ain't play no, y'all was done leaving right, And man,

795
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: it was crazy playing with Blake and DJ.

796
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to ask you, Like, how was

797
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: it witness in some of the best in game dunks

798
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: in history when you play, being part of.

799
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Dunks that you've seen. I was that I didn't appreciate

800
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: it enough, probably until I left.

801
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's serious. I can admit that because everybody always

802
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: talk about how like I made them better, but they

803
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: made me better. Right, Some of them passes I threw

804
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: probably should have been turnovers. Right straight up, I'm coming

805
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: off just doing like that. But all you had to

806
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: do was keep it in the arena and one of

807
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: them is gonna get it right.

808
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: And so me too.

809
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: When I'm playing, I'm in the game, I'm so intense

810
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: and I'm concentrating on just winning the game that a

811
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: lot of them dunks and Blake Blake with DJ. They

812
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: might tell you that I didn't usually like congratulate them

813
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: on the dump until later that night.

814
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. When I got home and

815
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm watching, I'll be like, God, I ain't.

816
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: Because in the game, if you go too crazy, y'all

817
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: know you know what I mean, it's like a guy

818
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: to get a dump then you go down and give

819
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: up three. Yeah, but it's even when I watched some

820
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 3: of them throwback games now and I see how much

821
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: fun we were having to Jamaal too. I remember I

822
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: played against Mall when he was with Portland, right, and

823
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 3: me and Mall talked about it. Mall Ma used to

824
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: be like, man has a fun over there. And then

825
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: when Mal got there with us.

826
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, it was crazy.

827
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: I want to talk about one of your dumps, like

828
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: you dumped on dwhight Howard.

829
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: All right now, Google.

830
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: Get dumped on dwhighte Howard. I love that dunk because

831
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: you with some casule that he came boom.

832
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: I couldn't. I'm a I couldn't believe it.

833
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: That's your favorite that you got.

834
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, other than this one I got in the Church League,

835
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: I got a nice one in the Church League one

836
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: time on dude had two hands, but I want that

837
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: when I saw the surprised myself. Tell you the truth,

838
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: because I went split, split the yes, put it right

839
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: to the middle. And if you see, it's a weird

840
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 3: dunk because I used to dunk one hand back then,

841
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: but I was scared because I felt this body, you know,

842
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: so I actually dun't and.

843
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: I try to grab two hands. Yeah. Yeah, that's one

844
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: of the best defenders in the history of the game.

845
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: For you. That's why I caught. That's why when kids

846
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 2: asked me at camp, they be like, can you dunk?

847
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: Can you donk? You too? You too?

848
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: You too?

849
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I was playing for Doc, you know what I'm saying,

850
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: Doc coming in a new situation, from coming from when

851
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: the championships happened, the Big Three, and he on the

852
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: same goal as you, to make this team like at

853
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: the Tender and to win, to have a chance they.

854
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 4: Winning the title.

855
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't playing for a coach like Doc.

856
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: Man, it was it was crazy because even to get

857
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: Doc to the Clippers right, So obviously I was excited

858
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: because I saw what was going on with Boston right

859
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: and just you know, trying to figure out if some

860
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: of that could come to our team with what we.

861
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: Got and Doc. You know, it was crazy.

862
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: We we had our differences or whatever, but the one

863
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: common thing was that we both was crazy competitive and

864
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: wanted to win, you know. And that's what I'm saying, Like,

865
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: it's crazy, like when you come to exit and O's

866
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: as far as execution and Doc and all this, and

867
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: you know, we had l Frank and all that, and

868
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: it was just everything was so tied together, and then T.

869
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: Lou was our assistant, and then Alvin Gentry initially all

870
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: of that.

871
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: We just had all that And.

872
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: It's crazy me me and Doc heads on a few

873
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: things here there, But I think the biggest thing is

874
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: when you know that you ultimately respect somebody, is when

875
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: you sort of.

876
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: Take that on in your daily life.

877
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.

878
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: Like I think about some of the best coaches I

879
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: played for, like my coach, Skip Prosser, right, my college coach.

880
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: He used to say, never delay gratitude, you know. He

881
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 3: used to say, if you can't be on time, be early.

882
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: You know. It's all these different things that you said constantly,

883
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: you remember, right.

884
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: So so with Doc, I got a whole bunch of

885
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: stuff that Doc used to say that I say now

886
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 3: like all the time, you know, get rid of the clutter,

887
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And it's crazy because now

888
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm talking to like Darius basically and some of these

889
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: young guys on my team, and I'll be looking at

890
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: him like, I'm sure that should get on your nerves sometimes,

891
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: but you're gonna remember it.

892
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember it.

893
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, he I mean just from from from us

894
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 4: personally me. You know, we played you know obviously prior

895
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: to you in LA and to see what y'all did

896
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 4: going there in the change and you know, I know

897
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 4: it was more than the players with with l Frank

898
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: and Doc and the you know, the whole upper office

899
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: changing up and just still under under Sterling. But like

900
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: when y'all got there for y'all to be able to change,

901
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 4: and I remember seeing it before I actually came to

902
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 4: I remember seeing it on TV when Doc first came

903
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 4: in and he made the he covered up the jerseys

904
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: up there. I was like, this is the first time

905
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: that Clippers fans can go into that arena and feel

906
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: like we're at a real Clippers home game, Like y'all

907
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 4: had the whole outside of the arena with y'all faces

908
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 4: and everything. I was like, this is the first time

909
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 4: we never we would pull up tie games with Shaq

910
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 4: Kobe on the little you know, on the flag poles

911
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 4: outside as you pull a roll down figure Rod, It's

912
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: like they all up and down the street.

913
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: Right.

914
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: It's exactly. That's why I said I had so much

915
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: respect for for Doc when he came in. That was

916
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 4: one of the first changes. He like, Man, get this

917
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 4: stuff covered up, man, Like, what's going on? I kid?

918
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: You know, when y'all we used to lay down on

919
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 4: the floor at warm at shoot around warm up for

920
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: the game. You warmed up looking up at Elgin Baylor,

921
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: Jerry West, Lakers championship banners. It's like it was crazy.

922
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: We used to even feel like we got treated different

923
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: when we played the Lakers and it was a Lakers

924
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: home game, Like the same people. We'd be looking at

925
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: them like you better keep my car down here, my

926
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: family coming out of here, bro, Like are y'all crazy?

927
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: Like what's wrong with you?

928
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 4: People? Working? And yeah for the game, so to see

929
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 4: see y'all. You know what I'm saying, change it and

930
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: it gets it kind of the playing field get leveled.

931
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: For you.

932
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 4: I was.

933
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: I was.

934
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 4: I was super happy and appreciative because even for the employees,

935
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, to get y'all to be

936
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 4: a winning team, and for those long employees they've been

937
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: there forever, like you know, Denise easy now, you know

938
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like that was for them to have

939
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: a winning team, bro, and to be able to go

940
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: to work and with some pride, like I felt good

941
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 4: for everybody in and y'all, y'all, y'all did listen.

942
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: Listen, man, I'm gonna tell y'all this straight up, man,

943
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: and I'm glad like we're talking about it now because

944
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: when I was there, we didn't, you know what I mean,

945
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 3: We just didn't. And like the people you're talking about,

946
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: like Denise Booth right, Jason Powell, who is like closer

947
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: like my family, you know what I mean.

948
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: I used to be on the.

949
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: Table with JP getting worked on listening to stories about y'all,

950
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So even though we never

951
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: really talked like that, we've all been connected through all that.

952
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: So y'all knowice like whenever the Clippers do win the championship,

953
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: like y'all are a big part of that, y'all b

954
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 3: D Corey.

955
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: Mcgetti like Ralph Lawler, right, I love Ralph to death.

956
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: Man to death, Hey, Lawler's law.

957
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: And I'll tell y'all this man is that when I

958
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: got to the Clippers, every time we went to an

959
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: arena or something like that, Ralph would always walk up

960
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 3: to me and be like, this is a scenario.

961
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: CP.

962
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: He's a walking stat He's a walking stack. Listen and

963
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 4: tell you that used to drive me.

964
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: That used to drive me all the time. And I'm

965
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: so grateful for all them.

966
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: And like you said, people always gonna talk jump, right,

967
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: especially like Lakers fans and all that, y'all know. Would's

968
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: like to deal with that. At the end of the day,

969
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: you gotta go play the game regardless. You gotta hoop,

970
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: and y'all, y'all, y'all started.

971
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: That when we was it was no Clipper jerseys. Nobody

972
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: used to have them. Like nobody used to have them.

973
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: We just changed our jerseys like they wouldn't like the

974
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: whole organization was totally different to see, y'all when y'all

975
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: got there and just everybody having CP jerseys and Blake jerseys.

976
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: And DeAndre jerseys and just seeing how the culture just changed.

977
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: It was like, man, I just remember when nobody want

978
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: to be a Clipper because we definitely didn't want to

979
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: get drafted, none of us.

980
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: We wouldn't even work out for all.

981
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 4: Yo.

982
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: So when I first got out here to La after

983
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: I got after the trade happened, it was just me

984
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: and my brother.

985
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: Initially I stayed over there in the Marina. I stayed

986
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: in the marina for a minute, like a month month

987
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: and I had and so of course new team or whatever.

988
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 3: My wife wanted to get some gear. Man, she went

989
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: over the Fox Hills. Nothing nothing, any store you go into.

990
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't no, it wasn't no Clipper gear, no nothing nothing.

991
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: And so now not even after I played there, now

992
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 3: and even now that I play somewhere different to see

993
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, it's it's dope. Like

994
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: even if you watch shows and stuff like that. Did

995
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 3: y'all used to watch Blackish? Yeah, he was a Clipper fan.

996
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 4: He he started being there when we was there. That's

997
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: how I knew.

998
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: I knew.

999
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: I knew Anthony Wade back in the day. Bro we

1000
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: both lived. I stayed in and Seno when I first

1001
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 4: stayed there, when I first moved out there with the Clippers.

1002
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 4: I rented Larry drew house and I lived in and

1003
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: seen them for my first two years. So Larry Drew,

1004
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 4: the coach, Larry Drew, I stayed. I lived out there

1005
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 4: his house, and I stayed. Literally, I stayed right by

1006
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 4: Chris Spence and Anthony Anderson.

1007
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: I think he might be about to move. But it's

1008
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: dope to even see that type stuff on TV, now,

1009
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1010
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So when you left La, right, I remember you

1011
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: sitting down with Jay Z on one of it was

1012
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 4: something y'all did together when it was like you left

1013
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 4: a significant deal on the table to go from LA

1014
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: to Houston. What when that went into that whole process

1015
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: and that decision, Yeah.

1016
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 3: Well went into it was like at the time, stuff

1017
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: was a little shaky here, you know what I mean,

1018
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: And it was time for something different, you know what

1019
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 3: I mean, Time for something different. Obviously people say hindsight

1020
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, But at the time it was hard. It

1021
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: was hard because I've been here, like my in law,

1022
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: I just moved my in laws out here to La.

1023
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: My brother his family was out here in LA. It

1024
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: became home, you know what I mean.

1025
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: But you know, you want to compete for a championship,

1026
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: you know, And at the time, I didn't think we

1027
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: were ready to do that, especially with free agency coming

1028
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: up and all that, right, and so going to Houston

1029
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: it made sense. Yeah, And that was tough. It was

1030
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 2: hard to make that decision, especially with my kids and y'all.

1031
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: Y'all know that, Like I never forget, like.

1032
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: When I told my son that morning that it was

1033
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 3: gonna come out, and when we was in my office

1034
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: and it came up on the TV and that was

1035
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: in that doctor I did.

1036
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: But little Chris was like, Dad, Dad, do I have

1037
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: to go? You know what I mean?

1038
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 4: He was like, Dad, I have to go.

1039
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at him, like, you know, I can't

1040
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: be me and work and.

1041
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 3: Perform without y'all being there. Yeah, and who the hell

1042
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: with the new I had to play this season without them?

1043
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 4: Right?

1044
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: Crazy man? Crazy?

1045
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: I like that with the new energy, you know, you

1046
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: going and you know, everybody saying that child powerhouse. You

1047
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: know how it be summertime with somebody to go to

1048
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: a team and everybody like, oh shit, go another one

1049
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: coming up.

1050
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: That's when you're trying to make some noise.

1051
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: So with that new energy and d'antoni's system, Like, how

1052
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: was it for you before you because you're a point

1053
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: guard and you know you you're with a coach. Now,

1054
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: this is really system orient you know what I'm saying.

1055
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was excited because I don't know, I think

1056
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: people see you play a certain way for so long

1057
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: and don't think that you can adjust, you know what

1058
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: I mean?

1059
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: But me, I know me, you know what I mean,

1060
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: I know who, I know the game, I know what

1061
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: I'm capable of. I know I can shoot threes. I

1062
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: just don't choose to shoot them all the time, you

1063
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So when I got there, it

1064
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: was sort of eye opening, and I think what helped

1065
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: more than anything that first year was.

1066
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: Like tough, right PJ, Me and talking on each other

1067
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: since we was teen, you know, so that bond with

1068
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 3: the team then trail right, yeah, with that team, Like

1069
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: people don't realize that's the biggest thing that we lost

1070
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: what Yeah.

1071
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: And I thought so true, I said that for a

1072
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 4: long time.

1073
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: That's a whole nother story, but that was that was

1074
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: tough when we lost TA because t A. Yeah, I know,

1075
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: he silly as hell, but he sort of like it

1076
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: was that glue glue. Yeah, he was that glue glue

1077
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: for our team and that that first year.

1078
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: Man, it was so fun, like it was it was

1079
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 3: too much fun, you know what I mean, Like the

1080
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 3: way we was playing because we was trying to figure

1081
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: it out and then go back to one of those

1082
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: things where everybody always gonna knock it right, everybody was saying.

1083
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: We can't do we can't do this, we can't do that,

1084
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: and we were like, look, let's just win games. Don't

1085
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 2: matter what you're talking about. What game in the series

1086
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: would Golden State that jail was like, oh, we see something,

1087
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: we see a chink in their armor, Like we can

1088
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: actually beat these guys. You know, it wasn't I don't

1089
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: know if it was a game in the series.

1090
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: It was like throughout the regular season because we play

1091
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: them and the way our mindset was then and I'm

1092
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: not sure if it's that way. Yeah, it's probably not

1093
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: that way for them now, because at the time you

1094
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: knew in order to win you had to at some

1095
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: point get through Golden State, right, so I think and

1096
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: it made so much sense was we started switching all

1097
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: screens and all that.

1098
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: Because we wanted us to prepare to play Pella was

1099
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: moving on feet. Teller was moving on feet when moving

1100
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: them feet, and a lot of people, a lot a

1101
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: lot of people would be like, why they switching everything?

1102
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: Why they playing like that?

1103
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: Because I could tell y'all so much basketball and stuff

1104
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 3: right now. The reason why we were so good because

1105
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: a lot of teams, right, you would play a certain

1106
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: way in ninety five percent of your games, right, you

1107
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: had your offense that was doing this and doing that,

1108
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: and then you play against Golden State or something like that,

1109
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: and they switching all these screens and now all the

1110
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: plays that you've been running they don't work.

1111
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: Right. So that's what we figured out. When I was

1112
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: in Houston.

1113
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: It was like, Okay, we gonna play this way every night,

1114
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 3: and so then when we have to play against Golden State,

1115
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: we will know how to switch the screens and we'll

1116
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: know how to play against them. I always say, I

1117
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 3: think that was Minnesota's biggest thing. We played Minnesota the

1118
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: first round that year, right, and you know, as good

1119
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 3: of a team as they had, they were pretty good.

1120
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 3: But if you've been playing a certain way, and now

1121
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 3: you gotta play like this, because you know a.

1122
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: Lot of that switching forces people to play ice o yeah, right,

1123
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: So it's a lot. We had a good strategy, man,

1124
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: don't I just got hurt, That's what it was, right.

1125
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to skip steps, but like you want

1126
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: the players that absorbed the history, you absorbed the game.

1127
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: Like every experience that you get, that experience in Houston.

1128
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: Did they make this year so much easy and better?

1129
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: It's like you've seen it a little bit more. You

1130
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: gains some more dollarge. I don't know if it made

1131
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: it easier. It just made it's it's part of just competition.

1132
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: That's the thing for me to drive.

1133
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: Like. I don't want to say I hear every I

1134
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: don't say I pay attention to everything, but I hear everything.

1135
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: You know what, we're human, bro. I love when people

1136
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 4: keep it real and saying the human thing because like

1137
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: we we keep it real, Chris. Even even if you

1138
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 4: don't pay attention everything, you might have your brother, a cousin,

1139
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 4: somebody might say hey, man, like just any type of

1140
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 4: it's always a different way for you to hear certain

1141
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 4: things that I said, we hear everything.

1142
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: Too many people. I got too many homies.

1143
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: I got a group chat with all my boys that

1144
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: I grew up with and let me tell you, ain't

1145
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: nobody off limits.

1146
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: My boys back home, Oh, through trust and.

1147
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 4: Everybody got that or I feel like that's what, that's what,

1148
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: that's what. Yeah, everybody after the game that I.

1149
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: Play bad, Oh, I go on my fellows group chat,

1150
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: use some trash, you know, it is what it is.

1151
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: Or somebody start talking inside ways are crazy about me.

1152
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: They'll put it in the chat or something like what

1153
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 3: is this person talking about? Right, so you're aware of

1154
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: what's going on? Right, So boom, I'm traded. And when

1155
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: I got traded to go to Okay, see, I'm gonna

1156
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 3: tell you man. I was at the Peach Jam with

1157
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 3: my AAU team, right. I was in Peach Jam, where

1158
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: I'm at every jam. Yeah, I'm there every year at

1159
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: that time, and one of my young fellas, Colin Sexton,

1160
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 3: he was out there working out with me, and so

1161
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 3: I was at the house. I found that out and

1162
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, cool. I think the toughest part

1163
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: for me was trying to figure out if my family

1164
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: was gonna go. But past I was already in the

1165
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: lab working you know what I mean, excited about what

1166
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: I came.

1167
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: So when it happened, it's like all right, it's another page.

1168
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1169
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 3: I can control what that looked like. If I come

1170
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 3: in here and play half assed and look like a

1171
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 3: bomb or something like that, then I am a bomb

1172
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: right right. But I'm too competitive for that.

1173
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 4: The whole season, you know, I work at Turner and

1174
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 4: do the show and turned the whole season, you know,

1175
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 4: I was working. I'll be with with GP, with with CP,

1176
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 4: sometimes with Smity and them guys up there, and we

1177
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: would all just sit there and be super happy. And

1178
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 4: even when we me and you sitting around watching games stuff,

1179
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 4: do we all talk about it like just how glad

1180
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: we were to see because you know, once that trade happened,

1181
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 4: it was speculation all over the place about what's about

1182
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 4: to happen, where you're gonna end up, and what are

1183
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 4: you done? And this that and the third And I'm

1184
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 4: sitting there, I'm like, man, I know this dude, the Hooper,

1185
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 4: he wanted to you know what I'm saying, wherever he at,

1186
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 4: I just want to see what he gonna do. So

1187
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: for me, it was just dope to see because I

1188
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 4: feel like this was one of your best bodies of

1189
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 4: work as a season. And I mean clearly you were

1190
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 4: you had better stats and individual seasons earlier in your career,

1191
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 4: but I mean just from everything that you had been

1192
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 4: through and the injuries and then the expectations of what

1193
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 4: y'all team was gonna be and how you went in

1194
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 4: there and you you know what I'm saying. Obviously, the

1195
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 4: young guys showed up and did some, but I feel like, yeah,

1196
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 4: that was a that was a CP three, a whole

1197
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: whole you know what I'm saying. Setup that you that

1198
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 4: you came and you changed the culture and you you

1199
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 4: poured into them young boys, and you put your whole

1200
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 4: stamping imprint on that team. And I feel like this

1201
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 4: year was like one of your best years out there,

1202
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 4: And I just want to know what how did that

1203
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 4: feel for you to go out there and be able

1204
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 4: to do that and like you say, even just not

1205
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 4: even forget proven something just like you was. You was

1206
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 4: having fun, bro, Like I've seen you doing your moves,

1207
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 4: your face. You genuinely was having fun out there.

1208
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy because you just never know how

1209
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna work out. And uh, shay right, shae.

1210
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 4: A boy, Yeah that's boy, that boy and.

1211
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Foremost but that's that's for real.

1212
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: Like my like my brother, and I think as we've

1213
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: been talking, and we talk about all these experiences, right,

1214
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: and not only Shade but Darius Uh basically who young

1215
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 3: fellow team.

1216
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: But I always think about the vets that I had, right,

1217
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: So I played with PJ. Brown my rookie year. I

1218
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: played with Bobby Jackson, I mean narrow Gennero Pargo, one

1219
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: of my you know, I mean Pete, Like I played

1220
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: with guys who taught me about like work, right, and

1221
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: so for me going into this year, of.

1222
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 3: Course, they always gonna make the jokes like you the

1223
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: old head and old such and and I'm always with that.

1224
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna compete too, you know what I'm saying.

1225
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show Shay because me and him always playing

1226
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: against each other, shooting against each other.

1227
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: I the old head, but I still bust your ass, you.

1228
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying for real, for real, And so

1229
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: we sort of just bonded like with our whole team too,

1230
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1231
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: Like Dennis Schroeder, right, so he another guard who.

1232
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: Is cold, who is nice. And what I love about

1233
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: Dennis is we always on different teams in practice, and

1234
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: me and be at it.

1235
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: We be at it. But guess what, I love playing

1236
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: with him. I'm playing with him, man, and so it's

1237
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: it's been fun for me. And that's that's why I

1238
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: want to get back to playing, like I really want

1239
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 2: to be back to playing because our team. Man, I'm

1240
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 2: not just saying that we got such a good group.

1241
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. It's Shade convinced you to

1242
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: do a TikTok video. You og how they get the

1243
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: ol g gut there? They got me in the video

1244
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 2: with them. Let me tell you because I think I

1245
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: was actually that night that the.

1246
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: League stopped that stop or whatever, but literally Bays and

1247
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: Shade like they be over my place all the time,

1248
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: right if it's just dinner or if we're on the road,

1249
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: we always together.

1250
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 4: Man.

1251
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 3: Shoot, I got more tiktoks in the archive because I got,

1252
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: I got a little I got a little Chris here too.

1253
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: I got.

1254
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 4: That's hilarious. Tell me, like you just said, like the

1255
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: night the league stopped, tell me what that was like

1256
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 4: for you, because I'm watching, I'm at work watching and

1257
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: I'm seeing and then you know they obviously showing you

1258
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 4: right up on the court. I see you go up

1259
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 4: to Joe Ingles like yo, what's up with Rudy?

1260
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: Like, who's really? Like? What was like?

1261
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 4: Tell me, like, what was all happening? And how was everybody?

1262
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: What was going through your mind? Is all this was

1263
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: playing out in front of you.

1264
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: It was crazy And I'll tell you a little bit

1265
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: about it, but tell you truth. It's crazy. Man. I'm

1266
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: doing a documentary about it, like a movie, like a.

1267
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 3: Movie about the sports stop with Antoine Fuqua, Okay and

1268
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: Brian Grazer. We're doing a whole thing about that, like

1269
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: getting perspectives from athletes of what happened. And man, listen,

1270
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: I ain't never seen nothing like it, nothing like it.

1271
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: And you know, like we didn't talked about all the

1272
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: different stuff I've been through. I've been through like the

1273
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: nixt trade, you know, had Hurricane Katrina, Yeah, sterling stuff

1274
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: all that, and then boom, what you said, come back

1275
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: to the locker room. What's going on? What's what's happening?

1276
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 3: We ain't starting a game like that.

1277
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: That right there? That was different, different, and I was

1278
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: and what was made it crazy?

1279
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: As I was in town by myself, so I don't know,

1280
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: like I lived in Oklahoma by myself, my wife and

1281
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: my kids in LA.

1282
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: But usually my brother at least in town, my cousin

1283
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 2: is at least in town, or my parents or something.

1284
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: Nobody nobody I was. I was. I was by myself.

1285
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: When did you figure out you had the ability to

1286
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: control the whole game? Controller? Not not really in high school.

1287
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like in the NBA, because I see

1288
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: you like you control the pace.

1289
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1290
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: You you you you pull up or you call certain plays,

1291
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: and it seemed like you be out there just instructing

1292
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: the whole game when you felt that you had the

1293
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: ability to do that.

1294
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: I used to see Jason Kidd do that.

1295
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: He was with New Jersey because he ain't have a

1296
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: lot of over there, but everybody at Yeah Nash.

1297
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 4: Used to do that.

1298
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 2: Jay Kidd used to do that all the time.

1299
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: And I think for me, when I talk about basketball,

1300
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: I talk about it too like like Connect four or

1301
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: like checkers or something like.

1302
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it's still a game, right,

1303
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: So if.

1304
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm driving up the court, right, or even if even

1305
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 3: if you come out of time out right and guys

1306
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: line up on the court and you're about to run

1307
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: a play, if the center standing up by the three

1308
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 3: point line where he gonna end up at d.

1309
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean in the older NBA, new NBA,

1310
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: you don't know where you're gonna end up. But for

1311
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: the most part, he gonna end up somewhere closer to

1312
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: the basket.

1313
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1314
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: And if I'm down there by the goal near the rim,

1315
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start there, but I'm gonna end up somewhere else.

1316
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: You know.

1317
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 3: For me, I just watch I watch games every day,

1318
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: every night. And what really made me start being able

1319
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: to control the game is a lot of people talk about,

1320
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: you know, point guard, pass and shooting all that defense,

1321
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 3: Like I love, I love defense.

1322
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: I love the defensive aspect of it.

1323
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: Man, any team that I'm on, they'll tell you half

1324
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 3: the time I'm mad at somebody's because of defense.

1325
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: That's how you pitch somebody off that exactly. You know that,

1326
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: you know that if you're in the league, Like, that's

1327
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: the biggest thing I think.

1328
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: I try to tell the kids in my AU program

1329
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: and all that now is that nowadays, y'all know, people

1330
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: scared to play defense.

1331
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: Right, They scared the fall or they're scared to get

1332
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: the cross.

1333
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 3: Over, exactly, which is one of the guys I used

1334
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: to go at it with game in and game out

1335
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 3: because we played them and playoffs back and back was

1336
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: Tony alt right, ta right.

1337
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: We used to go at it when he.

1338
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 3: Was with Memphis and I was equipment, but we used

1339
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: to talk after the series and I used to like

1340
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 3: talk to him, be like how much I respected him

1341
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: because people don't realize how hard defense.

1342
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: Is and that ain't glamorous.

1343
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean.

1344
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: So I always had so much respect for guys that.

1345
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 4: Do it both ways.

1346
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: But you wouldn't know nothing about this conversation.

1347
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 4: You know, Oh, is that right?

1348
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: He's not a defender.

1349
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 4: Defense. I ain't got to do all this. Hey, Q

1350
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 4: was with that bumping and grind. He want you want

1351
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 4: to go where you go? As long as we knew

1352
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 4: it wasn't sweet when I was going, that was all

1353
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 4: I wanted to make it sure. But this is what

1354
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you, because like you like you

1355
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: kind of like stackhouse to me in a way to

1356
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,959
Speaker 4: where I see you. You hands on with your group,

1357
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 4: with your grassroots program, and you really one of them

1358
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 4: dudes is like got you got results. You'd already got

1359
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 4: some pros just in the league, putting plenty dudes in

1360
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 4: college like how did you get involved with that? And

1361
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 4: do you see yourself when you get done someday coaching?

1362
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 4: Because I think, I mean, obviously you you just hearing

1363
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 4: you talk, you could tell your knowledge of the game

1364
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 4: is crazy. I know you, so I know you're a

1365
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 4: hoop junkie, But do you think you got that that

1366
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: gene to say I could go coach? And do you

1367
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 4: have that desire?

1368
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you straight up, like like Stack is

1369
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 3: like that too. I know a number of guys who

1370
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: Brad Deal like that was program. So it's a number

1371
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: of guys who like that. But for me and y'all

1372
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 3: probably remember a you growing up, my pop spent his

1373
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 3: entire four one k on me and my brother playing

1374
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: travel basketball, right, all of that. Yeah, So my mom's

1375
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 3: in pop. So I've been playing AU since I was

1376
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 3: eleven eleven and under Cocoa Beach, Florida, and so my

1377
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: brother was two years older. So every year we went

1378
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: to his nationals, my nationals. So as soon as I

1379
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 3: got to the league, it's like, we want to have

1380
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 3: a program. So we've been having an AU program and

1381
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 3: it's like, and I mean this, man, like I love

1382
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 3: that program more than anything. My boys that I grew

1383
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 3: up with, the the coaches, right, they the coaches. My

1384
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 3: dad oversees everything. My mom books all the flights and

1385
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: hotel rooms for the kids.

1386
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: Now to see it. Man, y'all just don't know.

1387
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 4: Like, man, I love them boys, Man, I see that

1388
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 4: they really rock with you. I see the interactions on

1389
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 4: social media from and it's some heavy hitters too. But

1390
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 4: that's what's like, that's what's dope, Like you really got

1391
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 4: And like I say that, the family aspect is what

1392
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: I what I see and I connect with most. It

1393
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 4: reminds me of when we play there you and it's

1394
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: like to me to see them kids have CP three,

1395
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 4: a hall of fame on the best point guards ever.

1396
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 4: Like being on them, being with them day to day

1397
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 4: in the summers and really on deck and not just

1398
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just show up at a big time, like

1399
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 4: you really be on deck with them. I see your

1400
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 4: facility you got down there. It's crazy like that's all

1401
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: like you're giving them a place that we wish we

1402
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 4: could have had.

1403
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 3: I just be trying to be there for them too, right,

1404
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 3: So like y'all, like, I'm sure y'all got young boys

1405
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: that I don't be smothering them and all that. But

1406
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: I just try to be there and give them knowledge

1407
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: if they need it wherever, because y'all't know how many

1408
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: people talk crazy about AU basketball, all right, and it's

1409
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: got a fall like anything else. There's no way I'm

1410
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 3: here and a whole bunch of guys. They wouldn't have

1411
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: had chance with our AU basketball in summer. You would

1412
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: have been in trouble.

1413
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

1414
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm grateful for them, you know what

1415
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: I mean, because not only did they make and not

1416
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: just the guys that made it, I got a ton

1417
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: of kids in our program that just they still my family.

1418
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1419
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: They keep me excited, right, So it gets me excited

1420
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: that when I do retire, guess what, I'm gonna be

1421
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 3: there watching Theo Pinson. I'm gonna be watching Josha Kobe,

1422
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 3: Grant Williams hair all that. I'm gonna be there still watching.

1423
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: And how how do you feel about them them then

1424
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 3: and now pictures?

1425
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: Because they got them pictures when they just a little

1426
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: young little thing they took with you.

1427
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 4: Then they got this.

1428
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: Picture now where they ain't consonated past year, and hey.

1429
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 3: Listen, yeah, it's it's crazy man, because like you say,

1430
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 3: oh you, and I'd be like, what my Oh you

1431
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 3: know it's perspective, man, I tell you from a game

1432
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 3: this year, man, we was getting beat bad by Chicago.

1433
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: He was getting beat by bad by Chicago, and ok see,

1434
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 3: and so Chicago got two our kids. They got wyn

1435
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: Dale Carter right, and they got Kobe White. And when

1436
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: we on these au trips and y'all know what it's

1437
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 3: like when we're.

1438
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: On the bus and we're going to eat and all that.

1439
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: A beach ay be captain all day. They're like, man,

1440
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get to play against you, coach.

1441
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:32,959
Speaker 2: I can't.

1442
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: That'd be crazy too, Like some of them is calling

1443
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 3: me coach right, like, man, I can't wait to play

1444
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 3: against you.

1445
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 4: I do this to you. I do this team.

1446
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: So finally, you know what I mean. They was, they

1447
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: was smacking us, and then I went off. I went

1448
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: off and I think I had thirty and we can't

1449
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: back to beat Chicago. And after the game, I was

1450
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: on their head. I was.

1451
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: Because it's look, we're gonna compete, Like I would check

1452
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 3: them probably the harder if they didn't compete against me,

1453
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

1454
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: Kobe said in the All Star Game, y'all never lost

1455
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 1: and you was a big part of the new format

1456
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: getting changed for the All Star Game?

1457
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 2: Like, how was that discrict?

1458
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: We was down there for All Star Game and it

1459
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: was like, man, it was a dope one, very exciting one,

1460
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: and it it makes me look forward to the next one.

1461
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: So how how was that to kind of change the platform?

1462
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 4: What you thought about?

1463
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: How it turned out? Man? So cold? Like what do

1464
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: you what do you usually say? A different animal, same beasts?

1465
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 4: Right?

1466
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: We both like that, like crazy competitive. We used to

1467
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: get into it. Hell, I get into it most of

1468
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: people I play against that is. But oh it was

1469
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: a respect factor, right.

1470
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 3: So when we went into the All Star games, and

1471
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 3: you know, even aside from the fact that the winning

1472
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 3: team gets a little bit more money than the losing team, it's.

1473
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: A game, right, right, So I don't be out there

1474
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 2: with all trying to win, right, trying to win? And

1475
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 2: Kobe used to be on the same thing, which was

1476
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 2: it was dope.

1477
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 3: I'll never forget the old now All Star Game in Phoenix,

1478
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 3: we beat the hell out of the other team.

1479
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: They were so mad, you know, because then you know

1480
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: people like, oh they ain't good for the fan. Well,

1481
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: I didn't need to play harder.

1482
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 3: But I was excited and nervous a little bit about

1483
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,919
Speaker 3: the All Star Game this year because I definitely proposed

1484
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 3: that to.

1485
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 4: Adam.

1486
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 2: But I think what was.

1487
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 3: Dope was that I sort of me MJ and Michelle

1488
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 3: and Adam, we sort of came up with that thing too.

1489
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 3: As far as the draft, right, we came up with

1490
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 3: that draft team maybe like three years ago. So because

1491
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 3: I noticed that I was like, being in the All

1492
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 3: Star Game, I'm always on the same team with the

1493
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 3: same guys, I was like, we want some excitement, Let's try.

1494
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: Draft so that different guys play together. So coming up

1495
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: with that idea, I had never been a part of it,

1496
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 2: right right, right, right right. So then even bringing.

1497
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 3: Up this idea for the All Star Game this year,

1498
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure in to be All Star, you know

1499
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1500
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 2: So it was dope for me personally to finally get

1501
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: to be a part.

1502
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 4: Playing right right right.

1503
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 3: So to see how it all came together, man, and

1504
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: to see us compete and for a great cause, and

1505
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:32,440
Speaker 3: to see guys.

1506
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 2: Y'all know, you know, guys got pride, Guy's gonna hold

1507
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 2: y'all liked it.

1508
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 4: No, I felt like that I felt. I felt, man,

1509
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 4: I loved it. I felt. The thing that I took

1510
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 4: away from it most that I felt like everybody. I

1511
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 4: feel like everybody playing that game, they did they did it.

1512
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 4: They did an honor the Cold by competing as hard

1513
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 4: as y'all did once it got once it got to

1514
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 4: it like, it was a competitive game, and I think

1515
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 4: you know y'all with overtime and stuff like. For me,

1516
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 4: that more more more than anything, was was was a

1517
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,759
Speaker 4: salute to Cold because that was the way he played

1518
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 4: every game, and that was the way he would have

1519
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 4: wanted to see it played. I feel like, so that

1520
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 4: was that was super dope. Yeah.

1521
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: I think it made the crowd even more involved with it,

1522
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, more into it.

1523
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: I felt like the whole night of it from common

1524
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: rapping was it was hard.

1525
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that.

1526
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: That was man an emotional game, man, because it's crazy,

1527
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 3: I forget about some of this stuff. You know, we

1528
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 3: we a lot of guys actually had a hard time

1529
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 3: after the intros, you know what I mean? Because Cold,

1530
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 3: you know, whether you talk to him every day or not,

1531
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 3: Cold touched everybody some way differently, just different.

1532
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 2: Cold was just different and it's still not real to me.

1533
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it's yeah, yeah, yeah, I say that

1534
01:11:59,479 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: all the time.

1535
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 4: I said, it don't matter if you played in the

1536
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 4: league when he was playing, Like you just said, I

1537
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 4: don't care if you knew him or what you thought

1538
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 4: about him, Like you wanted to prove yourself when you

1539
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 4: played against him. You wanted him to see you like, y'all, no,

1540
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 4: I'm about to I want him to acknowledge that I'm

1541
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 4: one of them that was that was, he was one

1542
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 4: of them people that you all Right, Now, I got

1543
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 4: I gotta bring it tonight. We playing against him, he

1544
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 4: gotta he gotta see who I am and know what

1545
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 4: it is. And then when I get that respect, I'm good.

1546
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 4: I'm good around here, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1547
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 4: I don't care who you was, whether you admit it

1548
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 4: or not. That's what it was when you played against him.

1549
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: Bro right, Yeah, So I know you say you're anxious

1550
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: to play basketball, but did the last dance have anything

1551
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: should do.

1552
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: With a little bit more anxiousness of playing that basketball? Man,

1553
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 2: it's that last dance was cool real, It was so real.

1554
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: And listen, y'all know good and well, everybody ain't always

1555
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 3: gonna like what you do, right, Yeah, it was crazy.

1556
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 3: Got a chance to talk to Dennis driving a little

1557
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 3: bit and he was like, cause, you know, it's people

1558
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 3: saying MJ.

1559
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 2: Depicted this this way or did this way or whatever.

1560
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: And he then drama said something.

1561
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 4: That was so dope.

1562
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: He was like, well, if somebody gave you an opportunity

1563
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 2: to tell a story about your life, what you're gonna do?

1564
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, like, like for real, for real,

1565
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: and y'all know MJ, and y'all know how hard is

1566
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 2: so I think it's just so dope. But he even

1567
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 2: opened this up because he.

1568
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 4: Too not at all, but he said it. He said, look,

1569
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 4: I don't have to do this, he said, I'm doing

1570
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 4: it because it's who I am. Like I think, Man,

1571
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 4: the whole documentary show you why he like you is

1572
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 4: do if you pay attention to show you why I

1573
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 4: failed to black.

1574
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 2: I'm chilling and y'all, y'all was in Chicago, right, but me,

1575
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 2: I was in Louisville. I was in North Carolina. I

1576
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 2: was watching every game on wg N. Yeah, every game, right.

1577
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 2: My mom cooked dinner around the time that the Bulls played.

1578
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 2: So now and think about it, now, y'all have lived

1579
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: that NBA life, so y'all know what it's like to be.

1580
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: In the locker room and fly on the planes and

1581
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 3: what the media is like and all that. And I

1582
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 3: got a chance to see what he was.

1583
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 2: Doing, you know what I mean, while I'm like living

1584
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: that now, and I don't feel like I am where

1585
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: I am without watching him, you know what I'm saying,

1586
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't know like I'm in the backyard trying to

1587
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 2: everybody be like, oh, this point guard, this point is

1588
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 2: when I was trying to.

1589
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 4: Be mj right right, you know what I mean.

1590
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 2: Like kids now be trying to be point guards and stuff.

1591
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 3: But I don't care if you was a guard or

1592
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 3: center when you was growing up, you was trying to

1593
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 3: be Michael Jordan.

1594
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: Disrespector pat ewing or regime, none of them. But I'm

1595
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 2: nobody in the backyard trying.

1596
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 4: To be them.

1597
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody was MJA.

1598
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: You get on that playground, first persona mikey Mike, then

1599
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: you pick everybody else.

1600
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'm gonna be Pip.

1601
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 3: I don't be from me and my brother in the

1602
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 3: backyard trying to be Jordan's pepp Man.

1603
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you one more question, Like, I

1604
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 1: know it meant the world to us to be sponsored

1605
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: by Jordan Brand and for you to be from North Carolina,

1606
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan, me and all this world, me and

1607
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: all this stuff to you to be sponsored by Jordan Brand,

1608
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: and for Jordan to take a liking to you.

1609
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, how did how was

1610
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: that for you?

1611
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 4: And your own shoe for like how many years now?

1612
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 4: Jordan b that's the both worlds.

1613
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: Listen, y'all, y'all, I mean, y'all know, but growing up

1614
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 3: in North Carolina, I used to watch Michael Jordan's Playground, right,

1615
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 3: Me and my brother used to watch Michael Jordan's Playground

1616
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 3: all the time, all the time.

1617
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1618
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: So I played in the Jordan Classic, right. So MJ

1619
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 3: came in and I still got the picture somewhere. You know,

1620
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 3: you leave a seat open for where MJ gonna sit.

1621
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 3: I was sitting on one side, Shannon Brown sitting on

1622
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 3: the other side. Right, MJ sat in the middle. And

1623
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that because he was like black Jesus, Yeah,

1624
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 3: like him, that's him, Like Dag.

1625
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 2: I was like, this really is dark, yeah, but it's MJ.

1626
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 2: And man like to know him personally, like like y'all,

1627
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: and then even to get because I was with Nike

1628
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: my first year. Yeah, when I went to Jordan's, y'all

1629
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: know what it's like. Like, I'm I'm thirty five years old,

1630
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 2: and I still get excited when my boxes coming.

1631
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 4: I got to Jay straight up, straight up.

1632
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: My boxes come and them jasus there.

1633
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 4: I'm all right, drop everything right quick, let me go

1634
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 4: take this real quick.

1635
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 2: Like my wife be over there cutting over. I got

1636
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: that bag over, I got that. But it's something you

1637
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: never get used to.

1638
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 3: I remember being in the sixth grade and in the

1639
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 3: Inner Mirrors and I had the thirteens and somebody stole

1640
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 3: them out of my locker and I got I got

1641
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 3: a buck whooping for it.

1642
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: So you know, Jay's is a part of the culture,

1643
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 2: and so in order to have that and to be

1644
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 2: a part of it, Yeah, it's dope to talk about

1645
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: it with y'all because you can talk about it every day.

1646
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 4: And then it's just it's just the way they separate themselves, man,

1647
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 4: Like we go on on board of government meetings and

1648
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 4: trips and stuff like. Bro. Like, nobody not doing that.

1649
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: Bro. It's a tight knit group too. It ain't everybody

1650
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 2: that's dope about the brand and.

1651
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 4: You try to explain it, but it's like it's hard

1652
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 4: to explain, Like, man, with you out there, it's like, bro,

1653
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 4: we had these remote resorts and it's like you got

1654
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 4: people every twenty feet to be like with the Jordan

1655
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 4: shirt on the got you this way to do that

1656
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 4: you can. It's just be so crazy.

1657
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 3: Wht them shoes pop up on the GRAM and all that,

1658
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 3: and like your old customs and your old customs, like

1659
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 3: y'all know that's crazy.

1660
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. It's what legendary.

1661
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: I got one more quick, a new North Carolina legend.

1662
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: We had the opportunity to have on our show. She says,

1663
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: you're real close to Ty Young.

1664
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 4: Ah.

1665
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had the opportunity to have on the show

1666
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 2: and just speak about Ty Young and just the w

1667
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 2: n b A.

1668
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: How you you know you supported a lot this year,

1669
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, just like Cob and just speak about how

1670
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: the w n b A is growing and just to

1671
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: see somebody that you know be involved in that.

1672
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 3: Man, the w n b A is is super dope growing.

1673
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 3: Like I'm a fan, like a real right, like like

1674
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 3: superb suits cold person. Man, you know what I mean

1675
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 3: she called like DT, I mean, you got you got

1676
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 3: all the like w NBA players who like we look

1677
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 3: at them just like they look at us exactly, they

1678
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: get that same respect.

1679
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 2: And then let me tell you about somebody else. For

1680
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: I tell you about my relationship with Tie.

1681
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 3: But Camille Little right, Winston Salem straight up, Helen's finest

1682
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 3: and Camille like we grew up together right there, and

1683
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 3: she went to Carver High School and we both were

1684
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 3: mister and miss basketball in Carolina. Right, she went to Carolina,

1685
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 3: I went to Wake and it's she just retired this year, man,

1686
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: But like what she did for our city and for

1687
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: the w n b A, you know, and like like

1688
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 3: I genuinely love Camille to death, and like Tie right,

1689
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 3: another North Carolina native, like I love her to death

1690
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 3: and just her spirit. Yeah you know what I'm saying, y'all,

1691
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 3: She just she just I don't even know how to

1692
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 3: describe her, you know what I mean, Like from from

1693
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 3: wearing my shoes and you know, me and my gear

1694
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 3: all to day. But she is family and it's so crazy.

1695
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 3: Her brother in law actually grew up with me and

1696
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,759
Speaker 3: my brother. You know, small world, but Tie, it's always

1697
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 3: up there and she just you can't help with the

1698
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 3: smile when you look at her straight up.

1699
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 4: I got one last question before we let you go,

1700
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 4: because I always asked us and I forgot. We've been

1701
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 4: talking about everything else. I need to know when you

1702
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 4: first got that bread, you first got that that chetta?

1703
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: What?

1704
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 4: What what did you do? Did you? Was it a car?

1705
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 4: Was it a chain? I'm talking about something something something

1706
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 4: on the splurgey side. Was it a watch? You missed

1707
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 4: a nice watch because you go by bowling balls. You

1708
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 4: know your bowler.

1709
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 2: You know. The day that I actually like got that

1710
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 2: like upfront money from my agent. Damn, you know how

1711
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: to give you a little early money. It was like

1712
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand. First thing I did with that is

1713
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 2: I went to the mall, me and my wife, my girl.

1714
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,640
Speaker 2: We went to the mall and I took one of

1715
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: my teammates and his girl and then we went eight

1716
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 2: And I never forget because we used to get two checks.

1717
01:20:55,200 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 2: There's been one check ever since. But the first but

1718
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 2: the first thing that I bought like something, I bought

1719
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: a car. I bought a car and it was a bim.

1720
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 3: Listen, it's so crazy, like how your family shape you, right,

1721
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: so my pops, my dad had a BMW.

1722
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: Right, it had a BMW and my dad one of

1723
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: the people he washed his car every day like that

1724
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 2: was his baby. That was his baby.

1725
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 3: And so when I finally got some money and could

1726
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 3: afford to get something, guess what I did. I got

1727
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 3: the biggest, nicest BMW that you can get. I wasn't

1728
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 3: thinking about Mercedes, Bro, I ain't.

1729
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 2: Know nothing about none of that. I thought BMW was

1730
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 2: like the nicest thing you can get. I went, I

1731
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: went and got me a BMW seven fifty L. I

1732
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: bid CP three in the head rest. Got it. I

1733
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: still got it too, I still got it. I still.

1734
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 4: Man. That's been too much love. Man, This is this.

1735
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 4: This is one of our favorite ones. Man. You've always

1736
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 4: been somebody we rock where we met you when you

1737
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 4: was young and been following you ever since. And salute

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Speaker 4: man on all you've been doing, all you continue to do. Man,

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Speaker 4: we appreciate you pulling up on those man CP three.

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Speaker 4: Everybody in the building up, Hall of Famer fellas. I

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Speaker 4: appreciate this, man, Thank you, bro. Come on man anytime.

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